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ben_vulpes: so xorg-drivers 1.18-r1 pulls in xorg-server-1.19.3, which pulls in xorg-drivers-1.19.3 which conflicts with the requested version
ben_vulpes: most recent caltrop was that something in the xorg-drivers tower of chairs wants a 5-series gcc
BingoBoingo: So far answer to that question is hand signals to other drivers
herbijudlestoids: I had a lot of fun reading the log today of asciilifeform talking about NIC drivers
ben_vulpes: trinque: this card may be old enough that i need a funky version of nvidia-drivers
mircea_popescu: you know, unlike you people, tru drivers of your imaginary tractors / flying veyrons.
asciilifeform: trinque: not as such. was wondering for which iron did you leave drivers in.
danielpbarron: most noobs do the windows thing and don't need the linux drivers
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'comp has no business being anything other than large fpga' and 'swamp of nic drivers that have 0 legit reason to exist' are elementarily plagiarized from us
gabriel_laddel_p: The most programmable possible. Idc if this means somebody reverse engineered the drivers, or it is documented, or it is simple enough that someone could revese engineer it, or or or
trinque: and then you go build all the drivers elsewhere and come back
trinque: k, there is a check at the beginning of every module which involves "is this hardware present" for drivers
trinque: then you go build only the drivers you need somewhere else and come back
mircea_popescu: pestilentially common, kernel with 5k modules and 100k drivers
trinque: or builds drivers he doesn't use, even
asciilifeform: in other recent lulz , https://archive.is/xXW9T >> '...race condition in the n_hdlc Linux kernel driver (drivers/tty/n_hdlc.c). It can be exploited to gain a local privilege escalation. ... This driver provides HDLC serial line discipline and comes as a kernel module in many Linux distributions, which have CONFIG_N_HDLC=m in the kernel config. ...introduced on 22 June 2009'
mircea_popescu: so how are you participating in the anthill ? gimme something. you... go on the subway and talk to people ? use cabs, talk to the drivers ? work in an office ? take the sluts to the campus and have them make out with random girls ? what, exactly, is the light illuminating this anthill ?
ben_vulpes: i discern that people are really bad drivers
mircea_popescu: trinque some people use the hos as a drivers.
asciilifeform: (and their associated support machinery -- whores, drivers, et al)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only the malodorous phoundations, but the very architecture of linux, with the massive #include interdependencies, and the lack of demand for HUMAN-READABLE specs when device drivers are submitted
asciilifeform: so from their pov 'it's our way or highway', 'systemd, winblows, crapple, or go write own device drivers'
mircea_popescu: rather than port extant drivers to a twice defunct pile of code made by mit i'd rather paint tits on a boar.
BingoBoingo: Other higher danger way to unstick screws http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/torque-and-impact-drivers/reversible-impact-driver-set
phf: well, these "without master" conversation always remind me of the conversations i have with uber drivers. "i'm my own boss, ese, can work whenever i want -- yeah, man, that's great, now turn left here"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-19 20:16 mircea_popescu: writing drivers is two things : a) write the fw ; or b) call nvidia faggots on a mailing list.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the problem is that 'normal people' drivers rely on there being a working pci bus, interrupt controller, etc. stack in the os, rather than programmed-bare-io
mircea_popescu: writing drivers is two things : a) write the fw ; or b) call nvidia faggots on a mailing list. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: the expectation ot make an os and not have to write drivers is the sweet sort of innocence usually reserved for coed sluts.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i've generally had very positive experiences with it. 95% excellent drivers. 75% decent cars. proper taxi flips those two figures but also costs 20% more and wait times are unreliable.
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaksWCnHaDM << portland drivers in winter
mircea_popescu: you know those bumpers on speedway for sleepy truck drivers ? that. except for mouthbreathing bipedals.
asciilifeform: they used to work well, then there was some wreck (from poorly maintained equipment) and human drivers were introduced.
mircea_popescu: walter the scheme here proposed is that a project (linuxbios) which was useful on account of actually having drivers for extant hardware was killed by hardware maker conspiracy. on its now useless ruins, as it's dead, an idiot with a "sexual identity" political agenda tried to build a grassroot activism thing called libreboot ; and some unrelated packrats with a penchant for software try to build a cluttered warehouse called
jurov: you will backport drivers to ancient X server?
jurov: there are still too many moving parts, what do you do when you find catastrophic bug in X, or it has only hardware drivers for devices that can't be bought anymore?
ben_vulpes: also on an ancient thread, horses are allowed on many oregon roads and highways, because this place was barely a place before the sixties. there are a pile of questions in the drivers exam here regarding how to behave around horses, even.
mircea_popescu: travolta goes there to decompress, when he gets fucking sick of smartass cab drivers, ironic waitresses and whatnot other "i'm only doing this until" idiots.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You know you want to "rise above" those filthy other drivers on the road http://www2.crown.com/au/forklifts/stockpickers-sp-overview.html
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i've built winblows kernel drivers, for example, without a winblows box or any microshit software (yes, incl. the rsa signature)
asciilifeform: well yes, most drivers end up as mods in linux traditionally
BingoBoingo: at all. I guess companies don't care how much damage is done by inexperienced forklift drivers."
BingoBoingo: And the cherry: "I've been driving forklifts for over 35 years. Sit down propane,electric,single forks,double forks,bale clamps and stand up narrow isle reach and anywhere I worked bosses were impressed with my work. No accidents and can drive circles around some of the forklift drivers I worked with. I was making $21.50 an hour until my place closed down. Now they pay $8-$13 an hour,$13 being high and don't need much experience if none
Framedragger: "More worrisome part of the feature is that it injects software that updates drivers, firmware, and other pre-installed apps onto Windows machine – even if you wiped the system clean." LOL
mircea_popescu: anyway - a tightly coupled video-ram bridge would even do away with the dumbass "drivers" and etc.
asciilifeform: reversing winblowz drivers.
jurov: mepian: because drivers/interfaces for recent enough FPGAs are yet higher level of closedturdedness
davout: which kinda looks like a badly forged drivers license a 20-yo ustard would use to go have drinks
asciilifeform: and reverse-engineering of heathen iron (various pci cards, and their winblows drivers)
asciilifeform: 'From: Marcus McClendon <mmcclendon@hfaadvance.com> Sent time: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:53:14 -0400 To: Ian Mellul <ianmellul@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Your DC motorcade driver | Tuesday Thanks Ian! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Ian Mellul wrote: > > Joshua Francis Cote > DOB 08/03/1995 > SSN 032-78-2211 > US citizen, born in the US > MA Drivers license: S65036661 > Josh's cell phone: (781) 738-637
asciilifeform if nobody figured it out, was going through /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/ethernet simply ... asking 'gbE? alive?' for each item therein.
mircea_popescu: Birdman well apparently your 3d drivers are shot ?
asciilifeform: oh did i mention that i surveyed other folks' attempts, e.g., https://github.com/ReturnInfinity/BareMetal-OS/blob/master/os/drivers/net/rtl8169.asm
phf: i've had on linux nic drivers before and in 2005 or so not all of them were 20k+ lines that's for sure
asciilifeform: and if you use ANY 'c code in the drivers' you get gabriel_laddel.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the tasks are here in my vierws overstated. linux had the tasks as hard as described, and it did break through, on shittier internet with fewer people milling about. lisp already has c code it can read for many of the drivers etc. this is major advantage. easier job to come 2nd.
phf: the thing that ascii mentions he'd pay for "cmucl on hardware" explicitly involves ripping out C code and then doing necessary work to support some minimum set of x86 drivers like keyboards etc.
pete_dushenski: obviously a 'cap' of 1.5x surge pricing is retarded and doesn't prevent drivers from being yahoos and scamming riders, as happened to yours truly last month in mtl when driver intentionally disobeyed my command and that of his gps toy and intentionally took wrong turn 'by accident' that led to a detour almost doubling the mileage of the trip
pete_dushenski: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/05/calais-residents-protest-jungle-refugee-camp-not-racist-problem-getting-worse << lorry drivers vs. the monkeys in al-paris : the grudge match continues.
mircea_popescu: in the absence of economic drivers, there will either be a political driver or no movement. which leaves us with the simple explanation. i don't gotta prove that every single individual woman thought of dick up her ass every time she spent too much money on cosmetics.
asciilifeform: in epic spam noose, 'HONR378Q Honors Seminar: Islamic Radicalization Drivers of Youth in the United States and Afghanistan Omar Samad, former Afghanistan Ambassador to France. This is a Global Classroom seminar: Using teleconferencing technology UMD Honors students will be conducting research with their Afghan peers at the American University of Afghanistan in Kabul.' --- then, 24 hrs later,
Framedragger: god damn it. i wanted to check how limnoria does irc reconnect, and it starts out with a nice SupyReconnectingFactory(ReconnectingClientFactory, drivers.ServersMixin). which doesn't necessarily mean a bad thing, but is in sharp contrast to trinque's short code. lol.
mircea_popescu: this thing works. and it works in a very messy environment - gfx drivers, a raft of dependencies, etc.
asciilifeform: the drivers thing is yet another problem that was never actually solved
phf: i'd say peak free software happened around same time when drivers were still a massive problem. when i moved to this country somebody gave me a g3 ibook, which i used for years to run linux (until i finally caved and switched to os x). i remember spending as much time on my fvwm as i did patching orinoco drivers. in fact my first massive foray into kernel hacking was getting those orinoco drivers to work for specific combination of
ben_vulpes: nor are these "daily drivers", being nearly antiques already
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: my understanding of the present situation is that the linux kernel is here to stay, as it is a result of the way that the cee machine works, and contains drivers for a bunch of useful hardware
mircea_popescu: you know, someone had a similar problem due to ancient gfx card / old drivers or somesuch. iirc there's a solution to tone down world items.
pete_dushenski: "I typically pay $5 to $10 to charge up. Every single station has been, for years, mediocre to terrible. The stations are often broken due to software or hardware problems, and remain out of service for weeks. Competition among electric car drivers for these public charging stations is fierce and intensifying. It’s practically impossible for me to find an open charging station during the day."
asciilifeform: they ALL have turing-complete thing inside, and update (typically nonpersistent, but not always) blobs inside the vendor's binary drivers.
asciilifeform: on x86, or any other platform with dma, all drivers are 'part of the kernel' whether honestly stated or not.
mircea_popescu: there's no point in the sense of "this is what we're trying to accomplish". there's a few drivers ; and logically some likely outcomes. should i enumerate ?
asciilifeform: because drivers.
Framedragger: phf: the latter is true i suppose, but on stable hardware configurations the"drivers" etc prolly does not apply. but sure, size etc
phf: Framedragger: linux is worst is better in this case. it sucks in the same way freebsd sucks, but it has more support, more software, more drivers, etc.
pete_dushenski: o hey no one died in an open-cockpit racer this morning in baku. who would've predicted that raising a generation of drivers who've known neither injury nor death, no matter the speeds and stupidity of their crashes, would lead to a buncha fuckin pussies the likes of which are suitable only for perfume advertisements
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Bernie’s bang-on: North America’s a shithole and F1 drivers are pussies. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/19/bernies-bang-on-north-americas-a-shithole-and-f1-drivers-are-pussies/ ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is rather notable though that the largest threat perceived by muppets and their drivers alike is "mp doing things". far, FAR above you know, their shitpile collapsing in a loud mess, the ONE thing that's worth expending the unhappeningium is, mp!
deedbot: http://www.thewoodwhisperer.com/articles/drills-vs-hammer-drills-vs-impact-drivers/ << Drills vs Hammer Drills vs Impact Drivers - The Wood Whisperer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWmZTHD2tFw << Drill vs Impact Driver vs Impact Wrench vs Hammerdrill - YouTube | http://www.ebay.com/gds/Impact-Driver-vs-Hammer-Drills-/10000000177630394/g.html << Impact Driver vs. Hammer Drills | eBay
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, the argentines are THE WORST drivers. horribad. you know how latinos in the civilised world have a bad reputation ? well... im sure argentina is the reason for it. they signal ~1/3 of the time, you gotta guess they intend to turn or not - AND they have no conception of blinker fluid or any other way means or conceptual approach for the problem. it's just not fucking there. idjits.)
mircea_popescu: and as to the other thing : numbers per se are meaningless. if there's a million truck drivers in the world, and 999`990 use a truck that does 10 mpg and i have 10 people using a truck that does 12 mpg, guess who'll be selling and who'll be buying trucking companies in the not so distant future.
phf: so they have a linux kernel manage the processes, and then they write keyboard/"console"/mouse drivers for it
asciilifeform: but many of the drivers appear to be in c
pete_dushenski: "Drivers may notice a decrease in fuel efficiency of between 5 and 32 percent, depending on climate, engine model year, and driving habits. Some drivers may also notice a decrease in power under certain conditions, such as full-throttle driving or highway operation. In some tests, the power rating of the VW TDI engine was affected by as much as 26 percent during full-throttle operation in cold climates. Finally, the increas
phf: uber drivers "mang you pay 1500 for yo plaaaas, should move to upper spring heights mang [20 minutes driving from metro, 10 minutes driving from any semblance of food] pay seven hundraaaayd. is cheap!"
asciilifeform: mod6: 'drivers' is not really a meaningful concept on a 64k box
mod6: so i/o drivers need to be written by hand alf?
asciilifeform: (re: earlier, i case anyone thinks that winblowz is 'too hard', i have win8 kernel drivers built with GCC and ~zero microshit code~)
assbot: Like drivers, crash-test dummies are becoming obese ... ( http://bit.ly/1T9Kqz6 )
asciilifeform: ^ commercial tool for exploiting the 'billion buggy device drivers' idiocy
asciilifeform: I DON'T WANT 10,000,001 DEVICE DRIVERS.
mats: http://log.b-a.link/?date=26-02-2016#1415729 << this looks like fun. would give me a reason to put my 'facedancer' board to use, fuzz some signed windows drivers
mod6: dads who drive minivans are the most aggressive drivers on the imho
adlai: at least parlimentary democracies float up lulz like "Party for Men's Rights, and Those of Taxi Drivers" (rough translation)
BingoBoingo: If alarm was raised in time those drivers would have normally stayed home, but because they were not explicitly told road is slick all suffer
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Yes. Very little snow, but enough to cull weakest drivers.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-02-2016#1393077 << apparently boeing doesn't have enough 'mass market' engineering to do these days so is contributing their engineering expertise to... golf clubs. callaway drivers in particular. ☝︎
asciilifeform: and what 'cd drivers.' modern drives plug through usb and enumerate as mass storage std.
mircea_popescu: so to summarize : a) they're less resilient than you imagine them to be ; b) they're more rewritable than you imagine them to be ; c) keepi9ng them around requires keeping a whole pile of kludge that never worked right (cd drivers etc).
BingoBoingo: So, I'm thinking about returning to linux... maybe. Any idea if RadeonSI drivers would work on a musl kernel?