shinohai: Because Brian Armstrong is an autistic retard.
mircea_popescu: basically, tmsr has been extremely effectual at murdering usg assets and crippling usg influence in bitcoin, this doth not sit well with them ;
mircea_popescu: they had plans, none of which worked, their cost basis keeps exploding, which is not nice,
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the chinese are in a similar position mutatis mutandis etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so much that, moreover simple desperation.
mircea_popescu: recall, the usg & friends, as well as any and all other wanna-be, pretended or otherwise power centers have been regularly humiliated.
mircea_popescu: the options keep narrowing until it's either rage or quit. because obviously the correct and naturally-imposed solution of submit and humbly suck mp's cock is for some incomprehensible reason not on their plate.
mircea_popescu: so the logical expectation is that they'll rage before they quit.
shinohai: Coinbase is rebranding their exchange as well -added ETH like all the other hippies lately.
mircea_popescu: shinohai eth is the backup plan, turns out. lulzy shit.
mircea_popescu: anyway, asciilifeform, morale at the ant farm is exceptionally low.
shinohai: I'd ask BA for a quote for Qntra, but he blocked me on twatter
mircea_popescu: they had gavin and all it took was a trilema post to turn him from st peter to a sort of dan quayle. it's not the sort of thing the grunts like to face.
mircea_popescu: too used with the "we control the vertical, and the horizontal" usual fare.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-20 00:25 mircea_popescu: they had plans, none of which worked, their cost basis keeps exploding, which is not nice,
mod6: think i should get off her first
mod6: think she wants some water
mod6: to put out the blow torch
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how the fuck are you going to generate "Aditional gavins" roflmao.
mircea_popescu: ironically i fucking warned the idiots when they fired the hearn toothpick. but, too dumb to figure it out.
mircea_popescu: they TRIED to anoint one, to great lulz. dr whateverthefuck.
mircea_popescu: look, you're theoretically arguing about things in such a vague distant approach it's not worth the skinning.
mircea_popescu: and if not necessarily useful, in any case entertaining.
mircea_popescu: coming right next after the official usg libertard ideologue steps in here to prove to me how wrong i am about things and matters.
mircea_popescu: it's gonna be funny as we age, and all sorts of infantile derps are the #78589 satoshi
mircea_popescu: truth be told, the scenario is rather plausible. the us has nowhere to turn.
mircea_popescu: easier to explain to the peons why they can't have chocolate this week if there's an "all out total war" going
mircea_popescu is kinda amused at all the "oh noes, nuclear war destroys planet as we know it". go for it boys, really.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i vaguely suspect delivery actually worked better in 49 than it does today.
mircea_popescu: i'd be surprised if they can usefully launch anything by this point.
mircea_popescu: yaya. the mechanics of the thing are against them. you have a very visible (really, in the right spectrum it blots out the sun), slow moving large object. doing what.
mircea_popescu: actually... it takes about half hour to cover its range.
mircea_popescu: if memory serves, it goes for 10k kms at a top speed of maybe 20k km/h
mircea_popescu: and whole shebang is made of fucking epoxy, if you can imagine that. all the structural integrity and shielding of chewing gum.
mircea_popescu: point remains, the item is in the air for half an hour, during which it is a larger source than anything in the sky in about a third of the spectrum. it weighs a hundred fucking tons, and is about as maneuvrable as a dead whale.
mircea_popescu: how hard do you think it is to put a missile in its path ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not particularly interested in defending the us from imaginary attacks
mircea_popescu: and for that matter - a nuke IS a fucking beacon. thermally even!
mircea_popescu: nah. it moves fast in air, large profile, it heats significantly.
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, that's where the pain starts : it'd be a wonder if the whole nato fleet can launch a coupla dozen simultaneous.
mircea_popescu: anyway. this whole thing... children threatening with holding their breath.
mircea_popescu: fun factoid : the (only!) uk sub actually has a... mile long aerial in tow.
mircea_popescu: it's worth a lulz tho. they have to catch bbc or else it may be the case they should fire.
Framedragger: i want to write something like this, but dread the fact that i would have to review a shitton of shitty attempts. one approach, i guess, is to just dismiss those attempts, come up with a sane and straightforward design, and implementing without too much fuss...
Framedragger: dunno, store/verify group membership via messages on OP_RETURNs (dunno if folks here frown upon storing data in OP_RETURNs)
shinohai: I kinda mangled that last sentence though.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hard enough that bush's idiots couldn't do it unless the thing beaconed. << /me remembers that lulz
BingoBoingo: shinohai: correction, When plea out, you aren't a militia hero anymore
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Imma have to chop this up a bit moar.
shinohai: Feel free ... take it and run.
shinohai: ^ Of course they'd say that THEY LIKE GOV SUBSIDIES
mircea_popescu: whole country exists entirely as an exercise in subsidy.
mircea_popescu: govt "borrows" in europe, pours the cash into subsidies, defaults ; borrows more.
BingoBoingo pretty happy with yesterday's string trimmer purchase. Just kinda regrets going cordless electric and not 2-cycle.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-05-20 14:44 BingoBoingo pretty happy with yesterday's string trimmer purchase. Just kinda regrets going cordless electric and not 2-cycle.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'll have to disabuse you of the notion that "the content" ie "what it says" matters in that context.
BingoBoingo: Aha, those are still around here. Popular for hunting camps and barns.
mircea_popescu: strictly a matter of numbers, any 800 vote / 300 comment thread is exactly equal to any other.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I ended up going cordless because I wanted the battery.
mircea_popescu: in the sense that you don't sit around to sniff the anthill, but merely care how tall it is.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: thanks, appreciate it. but damn does it depress me a bit, then
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The river is the best place to throw up after drinking in the city
mircea_popescu: Framedragger this problem re-occurs here with some frequency. #trilema and tmsr generally are for adults.
mircea_popescu: this means, a marathon, not a sprint ; and most things "people generally" count as a marathon here are still a sprint
mircea_popescu: anabasis being the one true marathon. yes, good point, i shoulda said that.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Also consider seeing if you can get into Fermi lab
BingoBoingo: Oh then you could try to go see the site of that reator they built under the sportsball bleachers
BingoBoingo: I think they just have a dumb statue there though.
BingoBoingo: Nah reactor was on University of Chicago campus, library where the stadium was
BingoBoingo: You could always just take the El to random southside neighborhoods or play "James Lafond Presents"
mircea_popescu: what do you mean! it's a town so chic they put it in the name! chic-ago!
BingoBoingo: Like New York if New York was aware of its small penis
BingoBoingo: Anyways best thing in CHicago isn't even in Chicago. Go down to Joilet and tour the old prison.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, random guy on reddit points out to a very lulzy attack indeed. consider : you boot up 1k VMs running the same os, and upon boot-up you sshgen. how many keys share primes even if they are properly generated ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: there's no way to check for this "multiplicity", it's essentially brainwallets-for-computers.
mircea_popescu: we absoluely gotta get those ssh keys in there. jurov you actually working on it ?
jurov: yes, going to prep the csv for download
mircea_popescu: Moduli Waiting for Test: 20 << this is like... permanently. pretty incredible, so "the public" puts in keys at about the rate of 1 every 3 minutes for a month now ?
mircea_popescu: giving the web pointless buttons is what the web is all about.
mircea_popescu: not putting more in deliberately is one thing ; but actually taking time to remove them... forget it, do it sometime when you do stuff with the site.
mircea_popescu: well now we know what it is, and otherwise, who cares.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-20 15:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, random guy on reddit points out to a very lulzy attack indeed. consider : you boot up 1k VMs running the same os, and upon boot-up you sshgen. how many keys share primes even if they are properly generated ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but even as a very low effort thing you know, "everyone's on aws". and they all use the same fashionable shitstack. and there's... millions of them.
mircea_popescu: this is like the anti-vaccine. not immunity through the herd, but insecurity through belonging to a herd.
mircea_popescu: a process that'd have been perfectly safe on its own becomes deeply insecure when part of "the community".
mircea_popescu: lmao. i dunno why they have a page about how php sucks, and nothing about javascript. apparently you can't EVEN DO MATH in js (9007199254740993/28059810762433 === 321 is false).
mircea_popescu: so it has alll the === lulz, but also... nonfunctioning arithmetic.
mircea_popescu: anyway Framedragger : just THAT fucks up permanently the notion of "crypto in javascript".
mircea_popescu: it's ridiculous beyond belief, all crypto works with ints.
mircea_popescu: it's field fucking arithmetic, not omfg engineering slide rule
Framedragger: "apparently you can't EVEN DO MATH in js" << yes yes YES :/ i knowz... that's why people want a web crypto api (crypto itself implemented in browser).. but the answer to your snarky follow-up "that just adds salt to the wound" is yes.. it's doomed
Framedragger: goddamn language was designed in under two weeks
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the ~only way you're going to end up with a web crypto api in browser is if you/someone builds the social media app discussed and then adds a html parser to it.
Framedragger: and accidentally won the netscape wars. or whatever
mircea_popescu: and make no mistake, i said it and i'll say it again : this is one of those moments.
mircea_popescu: a properly made, functioning this will turn the "browser" period over, entirely and without respite. they'll become what the bbs are.
Framedragger: i hear you. i'm just thinking in more mundane/practical terms, "can i build X without waiting for the everything i'd need for X to also be rewritten"
Framedragger: i mean let's say one wouldn't depend on gnupg or anything like that. fine. use RSA. but with the (admirable) level of scrutiny employed herein, i'd be wary of even suggesting a single implementation of RSA which would not be shitty. i mean, there is libressl...
Framedragger: libressl uses comic sans to deter web people and dummy hipsters. that in itself adds +10 in my book
Framedragger: no but i've heard of it in logs. some approach to patching and (presumably) general version control? or more than that, even?
Framedragger looks for reasons to hate git in logs. (spoiler, i don't hate git.. at least not yet)
danielpbarron: git is what, social media masquerading as some sort of programming thing, not unlike how wikipedia is social media masquerading as an encyclopedia
Framedragger: every time git is confused for github, a kitten dies
mircea_popescu: Framedragger read up on v, it's worth the read. more generally, you are ideologically naive, for which reason you're perhaps missing things. for instance, when i say "add a html parser" i do not mean "introduce support for THEIR definitioon of html". rather, i mean "create our own html, and by its presence passively force them to adapt or die".
mircea_popescu: Framedragger actually, the process of creating github and then confusing git for github, aka embrace and extinguish / "rms-ing" is also amply discussed in teh logs :)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anywya, once mod6 gets that T thing going we can actually create tickets for all this, which'll make the task less insane.
mircea_popescu: there's at least a dozen disparate, independently useful items that go into a gossipd.
Framedragger: k, i see the.. angle. i suppose you belief in them having to adapt or die comes from most of your endeavours of the kind succeeding? which - don't get me wrong - is very admirable - but, like, it requires napoleonic levels of confidence. not that it's bad in and of itself
mircea_popescu: there's no argument to be had with functionality. not all the talk in the world ; nor all the money nor anything else can stand in front of something that functions.
Framedragger: hm. i guess your notion of "adoption" is not like many others. i.e., it's not a matter of "whether majority of animals use it", but rather "whether majority of intelligent animals use it", or somesuch. because folks are also super lazy about switching from a broken thing to a more functional and better thing. case in point: much of enterprise software. (not that there may not be good gems there)
mircea_popescu: but in short : it's not that ~my~ endeavours succeeding ; there's no personal flair involved here, nor any magic. it's that all the endeavours of a certain type will succeed.
Framedragger: i've read quite a few articles but it's still, like, such a small amount
mircea_popescu: and as to the other thing : numbers per se are meaningless. if there's a million truck drivers in the world, and 999`990 use a truck that does 10 mpg and i have 10 people using a truck that does 12 mpg, guess who'll be selling and who'll be buying trucking companies in the not so distant future.
mircea_popescu: sure, some are hobbists, some may get (for some time, while that lasts) subsidies.
mircea_popescu: but that's all temporary and a bandaid for a chainsaw wound. in the end, you don't see many oxcarts carrying freight today.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> anywya, once mod6 gets that T thing going we can actually create tickets for all this, which'll make the task less insane. << making daily progress!
Framedragger: (heheh in the beginning of that article are you basically quick-tutorialing people about the analytic/synthetic distinction (in a way)? i mean it's about the (possible existence of) truth-conditions of propositions with no reference, but it has this vibe to it)
mircea_popescu: trilema is created as a "general purpose for literate people", so it contains lots of mini-versions of otherwise more seriously studied topics.
Framedragger: yeah fair enough, regarding numbers, of course that makes sense. but social networks have this nagging thing of critical mass, sometimes. i know this is a naive viewpoint, but with e.g. networks which are for meets-and-greets, you know, location-based circles whatnot, it does require some amount of people for there to be more people. then again, maybe there are more smart folk around than i presume. though that's a dangerous assumption i
Framedragger: but i probably overestimate the powa of the folk.
mircea_popescu: i don't credit this "network effect" criticality thing. yes, people came up with that particular rebranding of panglossism to sell inept investors on why they should throw money away. it worked. that the sale pitch worked does not make the theory true.
mircea_popescu: in historical terms, "all good things come to the port city", yes. until the port gets a sand bar.
mircea_popescu: the experience of myspace should be informative in this sense. "network effect" is valuable for as long as the median view is that it's cool people there ; once that goes away, all turner's billions can't fix the suddenly un-critical network effect.
Framedragger: re. github, just fyi github is less.. hegemonic these days. gitlab is doing well, and that one's a bit less shit etc. this may sound like a partial solution to a fundamental problem, sure, but mh i dunno.
Framedragger: oh i have some of those there.. but they're not important keys anyway. hey that sounds like a nice project
mircea_popescu: well since phuctor has a bunch of rsa work already done ; converting github rsa keys to a usable format and checking them by the same process isn't that tall a step.
mircea_popescu: see above in log why i'm currently expecting to see some horrors.
shinohai: How to get more rubble for your ruble?
Framedragger: asciilifeform do you have an opinion on libressl? sorry if i'm pestering ya
Framedragger: i mean it's a largish codebase, but in terms of general approach / effort. borne out of anger towards openssl, all that
mircea_popescu: they've not really had time to do much at any rate ; how long ago did they split, a year ?
mircea_popescu: it's one of those cases where the team may be better than the codebase ; though honestly, the size of the matzah ball hanging on their head means that they'll prolly get crushed if haven't already
Framedragger: they started by just choosing to prune certain features off of the beast , thereby removing some particularly bad parts
mircea_popescu: (i've not much followed libressl, chiefly because anyone purporting to do crypto anything that's not in my wot is an outright fraud)
mircea_popescu: kinda why "make a new html" comes in. there's really no reason to support the bullshit. correct move would have been to make a new ssh.
mircea_popescu: ideally, one that doesn't support utf. (not necessarily utf per se - just an instantiation of the principle that features may be supported only if inexpensive enough.)
Framedragger: have you folks considered making a god damn wiki of all these funky letters, or is that too socialist of an effort? :)
mircea_popescu: there is a wiki, would benefit from more maintainer effort.
mircea_popescu: the idea in my head has always been that as intelligent people try to catch up, they'll use the wiki as their scratchpad
mircea_popescu: people who've been following along usually can't summon the interest, having other flags that call them stronger.
mircea_popescu: hey trinque why does it answer so slowly ? is the lisp machine getting restarted on each call or somesuch ?
trinque: nah, that box is getting pushed into swap by trb
trinque: need to spin up a separate box for the node
trinque: coffee? shits? coffee shits?
shinohai: I think I just got cursed at in hindi
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: lemonade from the morning tragedy
mircea_popescu: ah yeah. i think we'll need to make a "min 4gb ram for new boxes" tmsr standard ; so people can run general purpose + trb on them
Framedragger: noob question but by god am i confused. is deedbot's WoT a different WoT from that which is serviced by gribble?
mircea_popescu: all matter prior is found in both ; all matter after is found in one or another.
mircea_popescu: there was some discussion with nanotube re his rewriting gribble to act properly (ie, sessionless) and interchange data, but it never came to naught. i dun think gribble is still being much maintained. no idea really.
mircea_popescu: (the split occured because he was in [unannounced] vacation while gribble went down ; after not being reacheable for a few days it looked like we're under attack and a new bot was made ; and properly this time. then nanotube came back, explained he was taking a vacation [all this being right around xmas] and well... no hard feelings, but also no readily available cure.)
Framedragger: but e.g. i auth with gribble and apparently that's enough. deedbot sees this. i guess that's fine?
mircea_popescu: if you're unvoiced it can voice you, for a token. that's all it does.
mircea_popescu: if you try to $rate someone it'll give you another token, every time
mircea_popescu: this protects from session hijacking, which is a major concern, especially since freenode's rape-and-gag adventure last year.
Framedragger: shit i missed lots of interesting drama, it seems :D
mircea_popescu: you know, they announced a major bug which looked just like a nsa plant ; promised a full investigation to soon follow ; haven't spoken a word since.
mircea_popescu: it's reasonable to deem they're under a gag order and actively diddled.
Framedragger: i suppose there's no true need, but have you considered moving to a new/different irc network? or can that wait till gossipd saves the internet?
Framedragger: well, say, zero, really. possible time cost for bot maintainers, tho
Framedragger: misinterpreted question. "what does it buy". yeah, the nice feeling inside, so, zero, i suppose
mircea_popescu: there's nothing substantially wrong with freenode. they're a merchant of faeces infested water, as good as any other merchant of "water" in marakesh.
mircea_popescu: the solution is to behead the caliph and put the town under proper administration, not to shop around for "water" merchants. wtf are they going to sell you, they all draw from the same all-purpose pond.
Framedragger: (incidentally, fuck marrakech. the whole country's full of tourists, but marrakech doubly so. fes is where it's at!!1)
Framedragger: lots of nice booty (for real though, not a joke)
Framedragger: high cost of living, cf. other european countries, whereas avg wage is maybe just over 500eur / mo? hence whole country is grumpy
Framedragger: yes. unless you mean "the club" (not venue), then i'm not sure, but there are people's circles which seem to function well, yes. i've been out of the country for some time and am generally not in loop
Framedragger: there certainly exist chix who do bdsm though, not that it could be otherwise
Framedragger: i don't know what to think of that country. i mean, it's shit, but this is sorta a priori
mircea_popescu: ok, so where' you from in the sense of, where you at, then.
Framedragger: it's too cold, folks don't talk much in streets, though you can bump into an old guy who invites you to chess for a beer (and by god he needs that beer), he does well, you're in a very cheap shitty bar and you realize it's now closed and the bar is serving vodka to the regulars who're now around you, sometimes succeeding in discussing something interesting
Framedragger: i'm too young to hold a decent convo, seemingly. owell. glasgow, uk. it's alright. you'll make fun of uk tho, and that's only fair. i'll move at some point
mircea_popescu: you'd love argentina then. ALL they do is stop and chat in the streets ; half hour at a time, people who don't know each other.
mircea_popescu: of course, it's entirely meaningless ; argentines never act on what they or anyone else says.
Framedragger: so i heard! and tbh i would indeed like that, at least for a time!
mircea_popescu: i only make fun of the london people. the scots are a sort of lithuania :D
Framedragger: it is, it is. so what you're saying is that scotland is not part of the uk. if only
mircea_popescu: the uk nearly lost it's only submarine base ; where the only nuclear-bbc-radio-listener is based.
Framedragger: just about. glasgow voted "yes" to separation, obviously
mircea_popescu: anyway - yeah i suppose locals are fugly, but then again glasgow gets a lot of foreign students/tourists.
Framedragger: yeah there are friendly people here, with brains etc. weather is shit obvs., and i admit it affects me. hence travels to morocco and suchlike
Framedragger: most of local gals are fucking ugly as fuck, yes indeed
mircea_popescu: warwick castle was epic, but finding something you'd stick your penis into was ~impossible. i was stuck with imports the whole time.
Framedragger: yeah glasgow is a student population to a degree, quite so, and that is indeed nice
Framedragger: it's nice to hear that argentina is a livable place, then. i enjoyed the pix on trilema fwiw
Framedragger: didn't you say something to the tune of "i'd like to die here" :)
mircea_popescu: the place is great for the first months. then the idiocy of the population starts to wear you down.
mircea_popescu: what's the idiot village called in lithuanian folklore ?
Framedragger: can't think of a specific word - there's a notion "idiots' ship" - durnių laivas - and also: the whole word "village" (kaimas) has very clear connotations of idiocy, in and of itself, and is used thusly sometimes
mircea_popescu: alrighty, so it's basically a durnish laivas that thinks itself the capital [of the world].
Framedragger: parliament, say, is often referred to by durnių laivas, as well as the whole country, its populace, etc; same with "kaimas" being used interchangeably with populace
mircea_popescu: these schmucks think they're all part of the cast of friends.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well they did send children on a crusade once...
Framedragger: hahah. oh i *bet* that wears you off after a while!
jurov: 0080bf77f0541827bc90d62de448cbc6780ae5a8f9450405eb00db4dafe708836018b832c40bbc30128ab2b8c5c4a9c9d2e1a34ebd8efdf8d3ee178bd94d8316 phathub.csv
jurov: 5662db8716ddfa945e0b45103517eb681b32f7c2615af731ae0644737e92389122f8740e6f86201e61b96513bd2ace3301dd288c88f3e93bae46dd7594327dac phathub-201506.csv.xz
mircea_popescu: and it is at this juncture we discover alf doesn't actually have that implemented yet :D
mircea_popescu: well... i guess you make a tmsr - to - rfc 448866221133massachussetts convertor.
jurov: and above file would be maybe 50GB instead of 2
jurov: asciilifeform: i can convert if you insist
mircea_popescu: so there were three : get the github keys - jurov did it ; get the ssh server/router spidering going, and convert. iirc nobody was doing this ; get pgp keys out of the gwen / sr dump. punkman was hm where is he.
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "punkman" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
mircea_popescu: jurov can you publish the convertor you used somewhere for later reference ? like your blog or w/e ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 1001 ways ? at some point it keeps numbers in a db or no ?
jurov: yes, convertor. when i find out why it does barfalicious output
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and if it finds only the comment field and the rest null it dies ?
mircea_popescu: wtf is in that key, a date, an email, a name and a comment
mircea_popescu: so far i'm trying to understand what specifically the db is like.
mircea_popescu: that may be ; but the problem here is that politically, we do not wish to recognize rsa is owned by pgp.
mircea_popescu: principally in the form of "keys aren't pgp format, but tmsr format, of which ssh, pgp and others are idiotic restatements"
mircea_popescu: but hey, on the upside you;ll be able to take the button out.
Framedragger: "also, anyone want to run a ssh server key spider ?" << heh, k, i'm up for this, might as well be useful while i brood
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Framedragger the task is 1) create a spider that connects to all servers/routers/anything that takes a ssh connection, and asks for key. there's an example given in the logs coupla weeks ago that prolly can be taken verbatim and improved as needed.
Framedragger: i suppose i should search logs for previous discussions? unless anyone wants to give a more particular summary? spider as many keys from as many hosts running ssh as possible?
mircea_popescu: 2) process the results on some sort of periodicity (daily ?) with jurov's soon to be published convertor
mircea_popescu: 3) publish the results somewhere so alf can scarf them
Framedragger: the convertor converts keys into some kind of tmsr rsa format, then?
jurov: no, pgp rfc4880 format
a111: Logged on 2016-05-20 17:48 jurov: it's CSV e,N, comment
Framedragger: jurov so the convertor does the whole "create x.509 certificate" thing etc? nice nice
jurov: just PGP public key
Framedragger: oh maybe rfc4880 in itself does not include a whole certificate bloat thing. ok
jurov: certificate is usually a public key + self+signature
Framedragger: anyway. ssh server key spider. *considers setup*
jurov: but we can't have selfsigs, only the key
mircea_popescu: ok im well confused. so jurov : you have a thing that takes ssh keys, spits them out as e,N,comment lines in a csv. that right ?
jurov: yes. and also (so far) faulty implemention of CSV -> PGP pubkey
mircea_popescu: ah. and you were calling this later "convertor" ? whereas i was calling the former.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-02 19:11 fromphuctor__: ssh-keyscan provide digits
jurov: okay. the ssh format is blessedly simple, not much to convert
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: that was useful. so btw this fromphuctor__, i take it he hasn't much reappeared. was good idea, his
mircea_popescu: honestly asciilifeform i'd much rather if phuctor held a table consisting of e,N,comment,pgp_crud1,pgp_crud2,etc. should be indexed by hash of first three fields. should not depend on the trailing fields existing
mircea_popescu: Framedragger many thousands read teh logs ; not everyone speaks, or directly. the republic shades a much larger area than meets teh eye. nothing wrong with that either.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: of course. :) btw can i assume that ecdsa keys are not of interest? only rsa?
Framedragger: ssh-keyscan nicely gives all keys presented by server, usually includes ecdsa
Framedragger: well, not factoring it of course, but just hoarding it for laters
mircea_popescu: that;s a call up to you as a putative eventual lord of teh republic neh ?
Framedragger: but kk, it's clear it's not relevant to current effort as current effort is about factorization of rsa keys
Framedragger: so, like, presumably, one would want keys of ssh servers that are behind *all* routable public ipv4 addresses?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-20 18:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why so ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger just make sure you add the ip to your comment.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah. so are we looking for a wwwtronicist at this spot ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, you're pretty talented, or at least i liked your www output :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, ben_vulpes has been making noises about things ; for one. maybe mike_c is bored, who knows. till you ask you don't know.
Framedragger is a non-bullshit wwwtronicist, depending on definition. are you folks looking for some clean www read-only interface to a db? sorry for much interjection
ben_vulpes: magical tank of wine with particles of shit that is still drinkable somehow?
Framedragger: someone who can do web development without considering nodejs, js, nosql, etc etc, just for some initial constraints? :D
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: teething isn't really my problem
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: well. i guess the spider could could include a ipv6 address crawler to populate a ipv6 address list. but beyond that?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger was mostly confirming your assumption. yes, if the motherfucker goes to indochina i want a nigger there hiding in a bowl of rice ready to suck its pubkey down.
ben_vulpes: spilled the coffee, soaked the chinese shitscale
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: that's more a baseline requirement
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes anyone ever told you you've got housewife problems ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what are my housewife problems?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no /i/ spilled the coffe
ben_vulpes: she is childproofing and driving the kibbutz incubation project quite nicely thank you very much
mircea_popescu: wouldn't kibbutz incubation properly render as kibbutzation ?
ben_vulpes: that'd tend to imply the marching of people to the kibbutz
ben_vulpes: but hey the girls are helping each other nurse already so the project moves forward
mircea_popescu: so you've impregnated both the wife and the mistress and they're cooing in unison ?
ben_vulpes: friends, not colleagues, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: i am possibly the youngest hipster /deciding/ to have children. this means that none of the other hipsters want to be friends any more, because what sane person with hobbies etc hangs out with married and children.
ben_vulpes: ergo find new friends who are also doing the same.
ben_vulpes: davout even i think was older than i for his
mircea_popescu: if it makes you feel better, my parents were about your age when they were blessed with the wonder that is i.
ben_vulpes: my foul mood has nothing to do with childrearing
ben_vulpes: and everything to do with inane wwwtronics
Framedragger: i like the /* yolo: */ in the source, where it specifies the font right there in the source, because fuck it
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: shithouse has a certain...aesthetic.
Framedragger: those @-webkit-keyframes .... yeah i can see that :)
ben_vulpes: familiarity breeds contempt or what was it
trinque: everything in computing is shit, well-worn fact by now
mats: one of my new duties is managing osx imaging. and i already wanna die.
trinque: I'm over here trying to get sbcl's sb-bsd-socket to build on musl
trinque: one cannot simply pick the best things available; why would they all already work together?
mats: on the other hand, an interesting opportunity to understand xnu
trinque: hey man; it's the end of the world
mats: xpc seems like it has a lot of bugs
mats: and the pile of varying ipc mechanisms in addition to raw mach ports is p interesting
mats: who remembers 'Distributed Objects'? 'Distributed Notifications'?
mats: whole thing is ripe for 0days, i expect, half a dozen incompatible ipc mechanisms loosely scattered across multiple layers
hanbot: Philippe Duperron, Blockchain Maximalist predicted classic failure back in February.
hanbot: Where prediction = "whatever MP says".
hanbot: Pity they don't have a bio article.
hanbot: Maybe you should pay their server bills so they don't have to "not advertise" their begging campaign every quarter.
hanbot: Require WoT registrations to edit or something.
mircea_popescu: nah, i'm not paying so jimbo wales can continue meeting his personal bills.
mircea_popescu: it'd be interesting as a wikipedia-conversion-to-sanity project, but it'd be predicated on the project ditching all the undesirables barnacled to it. and seeing that the whole thing is mostly barnacle by mass, i dun see it happening.
BingoBoingo: Kinda the Libressl problem. Thing needs cutting, but it also need oh so much cutting.
mircea_popescu: the other thing is that wikipedia has ~no utility. in the parts that it outright copied actual encyclopedia is no better and no different from any random website out there that repackages other's content.
mircea_popescu: in the parts where it actually does something, what it does is collect derpy dribbles on irrelevant topics. yeah, it's the first place to have a discussion of the nth episode of the mth reboot of some tired us franchise.
mircea_popescu: and what's worse, the "wiki" style is proven not to work. even something originally as promising as tvtropes has over the years decayed into this unfunny collection of tiresome goop.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if you have the curiosity to check it out, the parts of any artiocle that you like are 5yo+ ; and stuff added the current year's never up to par.
mircea_popescu: basically, it worked as an unpaid effort to digitize books that's meanwhile run out of both books to digitize and wide-eyed excitable noobs to do the digitizing.
mircea_popescu: that also ; though wikipedia does have a buggy, unspecified, half-baked wot implementation
mircea_popescu: the problem is they didn't have intelligent people at the top. this generally haunts.
deedbot: dignork voiced for 30 minutes.
dignork: Thanks BingoBoingo glad to see you guys, but I'm just lurking after a long time out, haven't read the logs yet.
BingoBoingo: You're welcome. Just nice to see an oldtimer come back around.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, damn soup is a wonderful invention.
mircea_popescu: take my advice boys and girls : have soup at least 4-5 times a week.
shinohai: Gavin has been rather quite for a few days.
trinque: must be disheartening; they put so much work into the last one's sweet steampunk goggles and MIT stamp of chief scientism
trinque: they should get that Tor chick this time
trinque: she looks like she wants to be a dystopian manga character
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that was state of the art in 2015 tho, check teh dates.
mircea_popescu: nah, that was early 2016 tech. it backfired something massive.
kakobrekla: hi. my mpex account has been inaccessible roughly since the time of the final bbet settlement - a bug or a feature?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform look at the events. in the unwarranted assumption that mp will be impressed with a show of miner strength, they proceeded to mess with bitbet payments. this backfired spectacularly when mp was not only not impressed, but actually went public with it, live.
mircea_popescu: then in the unwarranted assumption that mp actually needs the piddly 1k btc held for bitbet, they tried to use whatever loose assemblage of assets to force mp to recant de facto. which idem backfired spectacularly when mp not only failed to recant as intended, but pissed with a large arch on the whole proposition, and cut out with hot irons anything that may even remotely resemble.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you were banned from mpex subsequent your last doomed attempt to fuck up the bitbet process on davout's blog.
mircea_popescu: for the record : during the duration of that account, you deposited 20.02 btc, and withdrew : 670.37 btc. "your" btc is a misnomer at best.
kakobrekla: the p/l has no relevance to your embezzlement of funds tied to my key.
mats: mircea_popescu: nm, off to see a show
kakobrekla: first the pretending and now you plain stealing - way to go!
mats: fun fact, canto people typically have soup with every meal
shinohai: i make potato soup but no potato only rok
mircea_popescu: didn't seem particularly interesting. it's in public now, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: litte news reaches us from the distant fogs of mpex. but sure.
mircea_popescu: how exactly are you going to come to any sort of sensible conclusions on the basis of the random derpage of some dude who's principally known for random derpage ?
jurov: lol you expect any logic? after all this?
jurov: you just mentioned stalin on other chan, now imagine yourself demanding explanation from stalin :D
jurov: Yes, you do prefer to think that way.