mod6: how goes it shinohai
shinohai: I'm just sitting here licking my dick, how 'bout you?
mod6: i added a link to the tickets dir on the foundation website.
mod6: must have forgotten to do that last month
shinohai: nice. was going to do the bbq thing myself this weekend but got canceled
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why not use a spaceball?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-15 17:31 asciilifeform: admittedly i want this for cad, rather than sierra gamez.
ben_vulpes: it is very well integrated with the major cad packages.
ben_vulpes: my asciilifeform emulator says "because wasted time switching between mouse and spaceball!"
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 00:47 ben_vulpes: my asciilifeform emulator says "because wasted time switching between mouse and spaceball!"
ben_vulpes: i never ever used anything but geometric constraints when designing parts.
mircea_popescu: actually a proper, accelerometer based, precision instrument (glove ?) as described here seems a required item, thinking about it.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i still have nfi why you'd design in any way but parametrically.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 00:58 ben_vulpes: "artisanally hand-carved pcbs!"
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 00:57 mircea_popescu: actually a proper, accelerometer based, precision instrument (glove ?) as described here seems a required item, thinking about it.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: where does the malbec claim to be from?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think of "glove" in the sense of, a cubic foot heavy box you stick hand into, move around
☟︎ mircea_popescu: if properly made, can have mechanical resistence actually be meaningful (magnetic transmission)
BingoBoingo: In other lulz "A third metro-east facility was also cited in June for a nonlethal paperwork violation. Midwest Rehabilitation and Respiratory Center, a 180-bed intermediate and skilled care facility at 727 N. 17th St. in Belleville, was cited with a class A violation and fined $25,000 for failure to have an emergency evacuation plan in place for bariatric patients weighing more than 1,000 pounds. Midwest has requested a hearing, which wi
☟︎ mircea_popescu: does "we take them out back and shoot them if there's any sort of an emergency" count as a plan ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 02:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think of "glove" in the sense of, a cubic foot heavy box you stick hand into, move around
mircea_popescu now wonders if idea is result of asciilifeform article sitting latent in memory, "forgotten" ; or if genuine case of "the obvious is obvious to all lookers".
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a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 04:02 BingoBoingo: In other lulz "A third metro-east facility was also cited in June for a nonlethal paperwork violation. Midwest Rehabilitation and Respiratory Center, a 180-bed intermediate and skilled care facility at 727 N. 17th St. in Belleville, was cited with a class A violation and fined $25,000 for failure to have an emergency evacuation plan in place for bariatric patients weighing more than 1,000 pounds. Midwest has requested a hearing, which wi
mircea_popescu: from bmi 30 onwards, each lb of fat carries the same excise as 1 ton of gasoline.
shinohai: f2pool announced earlier they will not mine on HF so it promises to be lulzy
Framedragger: and some exchanges will add 'ETHC' (classic non-HF ethereum) pairs. popcorn will be consumed
mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure i never read it before ; seriously, "neolythic speech patterns" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform does she actually shove live rabbit up her snatch behind the curtain and then squeezes it out on stage ?
mircea_popescu: why are they so fucking... whatever they are. womanly. boring.
mircea_popescu: rabbit costs twenty bucks, get a young one. learning to hold it in for ten minutes is a day's entertainment. go out on stage, pop the thing, let it jump around (place carrots strategically prior).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, re temperature : this is trivial for the box! there's this "weapon" idiocy of a beam which heats water in skin. not too practical as deployed, but perfectly usable in box - low latency.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what ?! put it in butt first. its nose actually protrudes 1/8 inch through opening
mircea_popescu: the notio nthat "my palm" or "top of my hand" is touching "warm" is obtainable i'd say.
phf: we host a vaudeville at burning man, we have a girl stop by every year, who does a striptease and then extracts objects of various complexity out of her snatch. mostly ribbons and eggs. i think there was one of those plastic chickens one time..
mircea_popescu: phf there's this blondy that has an epic stripping/magic act, same principle. i wonder if it's the same one.
phf: it could be, girl's a blond, and the act is well rehearsed and improves from year to year, so i wouldn't be surprised if she does it elsewhere too
mircea_popescu: moreover, if female is unable to control a two ounce rabbit with her pubococcygneus she's in desperate fuycking need of kegel workouts.
mircea_popescu: who's we, and what do i have to do to get you to host it in ba ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, your design is flawed because "Your appendages are, in fact, resting on thin air, supported by arm-length gloves assembled from (ferrofluid? muscle wire?) microcells that can shift in position, stiffness, angle, temperature.". that's no good - they should rest in gel not thin air.
mircea_popescu: but the important point is to allow gradient. so it would be a continuous medium not a border thing
phf: it's a loose knit group of european burners, but i'm not sure something like that can be taken outside burning man easily. we just provide the venue (i.e. build it out of home depot scaffolding and random junk) and people are welcome to come perform. but it's been going on for a while and the venue vibe is consistent from year to year, that some decent performers find it every year. the girl with the vagina, couple of operatic singers, guys with u
phf: i'll ask her next time if she does that stuff in default world, i never thought to ask
mircea_popescu: phf do me a favour and inquire with whoever's in charge what it'd take for them to do a show in buenos aires ?
mircea_popescu: not to say that there's anything wrong with ukulele or whatever else - but i perceive the snatch act is something the argentards wouldn't readily manage to digest. by which term we mean, of course, "reinterpret through the lens of their imbecility and thus render meaningless"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yesterday i stormed out of a PACKED VENUE ("teatro cubo") where a "urban shock" dance troupe was going to perform.
mircea_popescu: the seating was arranged in layers, like on a stadium. the dancing was to happen on a fucking university stage.
mircea_popescu: i go watch women dance their ass off, i'm sitting at tables talking with friends and having drinks.
phf: you hafta respect the arts, see, what are you some kind of philistine
mircea_popescu: [unter diesen umstanden zu fuhren]. which, of course, is EXACTLY what the shitheads want.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rathole theatre means dudes in overcoats with old streetwalkers blowing them discreetely.
mircea_popescu: that may be, but this was a bunch of student vagrant chicks who own one pair of underwear and somehow spent 250 pesos to be there.
mircea_popescu: literally, it looked like history of art 101 in wessex community college.
mircea_popescu: but! they are rich in prospects! recursos! dreams hopes aspirations and human rights! soberania! gargle generally.
mircea_popescu: just, if you press them, they can not produce a six dollar bill out of their pockets ; and purchases over 20 dollars DEFINITELY go on the credit card.
mircea_popescu in shop, friday - bought two pairs of pants, because liked them. total came to 2k, which is imo very reasonable for corduroy pants.
mircea_popescu: elder gent in front of me, dressed like uni professor / actor / whatever, put a 750 peso (~60 dollar) purchase ON AN INSTALLMENT PLAN!
mircea_popescu: took him more to go through that than it took me to pick the store pick the pants decide i'm buying and how many. he was there when i came in, he would have been there for an hour had i not rudely interrupted his soberania & derechos humanos.
mircea_popescu: yes, but not at the same time dress like a professor. or, for that matter, by a fifty year old white male.
mircea_popescu: if you're a beggar, at fifty, no nothing, first of all you have no business going in a shop ; and second of all you have no business wearing shoes.
mircea_popescu: it is fraud, essentially, he goes about the town pretending he';s a person. he's not a person, he's barely qualified to be a canary.
phf: presumably only suit
mircea_popescu: then they do these movement patters, like decerebrated chickens. and you wonder wtf happened here, this fine looking gentleman of a respectable age hasn't mastered the basics requisites of a 12 yo ?
mircea_popescu: they just conspired to dress him wrongly for who he is!
mircea_popescu: absolutely run of the mill mitm attack - you credit erdos' ip, which results in a market for "erdos-like ips" which people buy FOR THE REASON that they ARE NOT erdos ; but wish nevertheless to get your packets sent over as if they were.
mircea_popescu: bought. for money or sexual favours ; or through fraud obtain'd matters not.
mircea_popescu: and presumably he had a @goodpeople.org email address because at some point was good people.
shinohai: lol, well it's not censorship when we do it! (tm)
mircea_popescu: it'll be a sad day for unintentional comedy when that muppet finally has enough of being milked for lulz and crawls back into whatever hole he came from.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you disagree with the mitm diagnosis ?
shinohai: pffft ... Roger Ver will go broke trying to vindicate his bigger blocks vision for Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: re the "we found traces of tatp" i wonder how big the market in "misdirecting chemicals" is by now. "use this additive, will make police think you used Y agent".
mircea_popescu: it's been huge in the luxury/perfume market for a while now.
mircea_popescu: hey, i made nitrocellulose in my kiddy lab, the "unstable as all fuck" thing was a bonus
mircea_popescu: (very easy to make - pour high grade nitric acid on paper cuttings)
mircea_popescu: (every time i mention this in english - people either assume or else inquire if i huffed it. no i didn't fucking huff it wtf.)
mircea_popescu: famously, gun cotton was actually discovered by guy who accidentally poured a bottle of nitric acid on table.
phf: friend was talking about 4 of july, how the freedom loving rednecks were launching fireworks, despite all kinds of restrictions on distribution. and i was like the fuck you talking about, fireworks are easily available in any quantity and size over the counter everywhere else
phf: girl still has wide eyed memories of me buying $300 worth of fireworks at some random store in moscows, and launching all of them in snow, in residential area, literally in front of my grandmother's apartment building
mircea_popescu: well, residential area in moscow was made of concrete, not vinyl.
mircea_popescu: i wonder why the fuck they've not yet come up with the concept of "well, young kids can only have sex in difficult positions". natural limitation!
Framedragger: imho more than just lulz. but agree re 'hopelessly alone' comment
a111: Logged on 2016-02-07 23:57 mircea_popescu: complete anonimity between peers more than one node removed ; complete secrecy outside of the node group ; no integrity or authenticity outside of the wot trust.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-07 23:56 maqp: so a secure communication system with no anonymity between peers, no secrecy, no integrity and no authenticity unless all peers are trustworthy
Framedragger: well, let me recall if perhaps i had the same first impression when encountering your blog ca. 2010
Framedragger: it was probably the about page where you ranted about how you were sitting in $lecture thinking about a generic associative notation system etc etc, and realizing it's a slippery slope to hell and you need to implement a lisp machine
Framedragger: doesn't have to be. but, sure, we all have limited time under the sun, so
Framedragger: asciilifeform: what would you recommend for secure IM right now?
Framedragger: (i do realize i'm invoking a tu quoque of sorts)
Framedragger: difficult to organize coups without the 'I'. the (shitty shitty) turkey coup used whatsapp incidentally
☟︎ ben_vulpes: Framedragger: do pray tell how wars were fought without pre 1980?
Framedragger: asciilifeform: actually with pgp you'll just end up trusting your much dreaded aes256 since openpgp will do the whole 'session' thing as you know
Framedragger: (well, all implementations of openpgp anyway ^ )
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i see your point. but to me "just trust in pfs for both {rsa-4096, aes-256}" still sounds pretty crazy
Framedragger: asciilifeform: (maqp had mentioned that tpc-cev may be outdated, mind. just fyi)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 16:56 Framedragger: "on top of"? but hence his whole airgap thing
Framedragger: the whole unidirectional diode thing is nonetheless cute, if not truly original or anything
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i guess you have little patience for spotting potentially hopeful people, and bringing them up to speed on $ideology / teaching them / etc. which is absolutely understandable, afaiic.
☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: the light must be sought, it cannot be brought.
Framedragger: my echochamber saturation is nearing 100% but not yet there ;)
ben_vulpes: student comes, submits, fights for each scrap of knowledge.
ben_vulpes: this is not mircea_popescu's harem where basic mathematics are beaten into slavegirls.
ben_vulpes: huh. "hoplite brings his own armor" anyways.
Framedragger: (well to be true, 'throw away openssl' has been seriously contemplated by any a folk recently, i would wager a guess. but perhaps much less so with the latter, sure.)
☟︎ Framedragger: sure, open source culture is mostly a pile of crap, with little to no reflection on the culture *itself*, hard to disagree with you here.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-07-13 15:37 asciilifeform: the problem is that there is more than ~10,000 lines of it.
Framedragger: (incidentally K&R (as everyone here of course knows) included shitloads of hurtful idiosyncrasies and plain mistakes, not that this would be unexpected - just lulzy.)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: sure, i've read some of it, and will read more. i recall the general source of frustration, 'the whole stack is shit' etc
jurov: I think it was just because IBM thought it's good idea
jurov: Perhaps if IBM sold lisp machines...
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 16:59 Framedragger: asciilifeform: i guess you have little patience for spotting potentially hopeful people, and bringing them up to speed on $ideology / teaching them / etc. which is absolutely understandable, afaiic.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 16:48 asciilifeform: srsly, 'whatsapp' ?! i will give half a fuck about 'whatsapp' right after i go to shanghai and learn the best ways of cooking gutter oil.
mircea_popescu: usually a stay in an actual wealth management business cures this nonsense. what do you mean "what does corporation XYZ do ?! are you insane ? it doesn't DO anything, it's a fucking notational convention."
BingoBoingo: "Marines Playing Pokémon Go Help Catch Attempted Murder Suspect" << It marches on
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 17:20 asciilifeform: anywhere other than ~equator, a block of flats without a boiler, plumbing, and radiators, is quite analogous to the c-machine
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 17:19 asciilifeform: Framedragger: didja read by any chance mircea_popescu's recent piece on argentine space-heaters ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 17:23 asciilifeform: the c-machine pointer mechanism, and its non-boundchecked array access in general, is quite similar to mains wiring prior to the invention of the fuse, where mains socket has nfi that it oughtn't source 300 amps and melt itself, igniting the entire wall
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 17:34 asciilifeform: 'In all likelihood, there was no change at all to the labor-intensiveness, but the labor was more "fun" for a certain class of people. Now, industrious retards can be a horrible thing. Over a number of years, close to a decade, Perl accreted bits and pieces from programming languages and became usable in lieu of a programming language by people who lacked the mental wherewithall to do programming. Tinkerers, repairers, handymen, th
Framedragger: maybe there's harmony of mind on the other end of the rage scale, too..
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 17:43 asciilifeform: even the much-hyped 'cheaper cpu cycle' happened only so that it could be eaten up by successive new layers of microshit. and for ~no other reason.
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: Hole Hawg doesn't have any delay...
BingoBoingo: If Especially adventurous can also use 2nd man on "cheater bar" so that you won't be only casualty if drill bit binds with material
Framedragger: BingoBoingo: true that. or are you implying that delay is sometimes a good thing? (sure is - now if only the user had a choice in the matter of a predictable delay!) but, yeah; it adds to the insult, methinks
BingoBoingo: Utility of delay depends on what you are doing. If you want to counter beastly machine torque with man and a length of pipe, you're going to need some warning.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 21:19 Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504260 << this i can relate to 100%. the fact that there is any lag between me clicking on button and the button responding is an unending, continuous insult to my face. 3bn cycles down the drain
BingoBoingo: Note that even "toy" cordless dispasable drill can torque enough to mess with soft tissue in wrist
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ...sooo, you're certain it'd be pointless to attempt a small sane kernel for *existing* intel and/or arm madness? (i assume the answer is "yes", but just to be certain..)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-13 15:38 asciilifeform: (why do 1,001 sound cards need to exist?)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: do you think arm is by now a pit of hell, too? it *is* much more RISKy after all, designs clearer and well documented (iirc?) etc
mircea_popescu: i don't dispute his conclusion - result will likely be pile of shit. nevertheless, the process is important.
Framedragger: such project potential for tmsr after all! (of course redundancy is bad)
mircea_popescu: it is safe to say the result of a life dedicated to science will idem be "pile of shit"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is not necessarily a germane point. no extant arm requires you to NOT write your fucking own.
Framedragger: (firmware situation and things like wifi cards are atrocious indeed, it seems)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: including the ones in the mobile phones, of course - yay!!1
mircea_popescu: anyway. while the situation is dire, no contest - the solution will be of the nature of a SOLUTION. ie, applying solvent.
mircea_popescu: not doing because "You can't do" is how 15yo virgins end up 25 yo virgins. the fucking point is to go ask the girl that'"d never say yes"
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 21:38 mircea_popescu: it is safe to say the result of a life dedicated to science will idem be "pile of shit"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the only guarantee life comes with is that it will have been wasted.
mircea_popescu: depends. the latter makes a better story for burning man.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger historically, location contracts come with a key for the actual owner.
mircea_popescu: this idea of "my machine" has serious problems when you're discussing a phone
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imagine for a second such a thing as a proper controlled-by-owner-computer phone existed.
mircea_popescu: a phone is, definitionally, NOT a computer. nor can it be, and arguably should not be.
mircea_popescu: the derpage of people pretending to do their copmputing on "smart" phones is, to my eyes, way the fuck more ridiculous than the attempt to you know, make a "small kernel"
mircea_popescu: nobody burns them down, so i suppose there's lots of space for ridiculous on the street.
Framedragger: ..and yet allegedly smart cs d00dz want to speak to me about anonymous publishing on the internets (yes i know, quite oxymoronic) with these little shits in their pockets
mircea_popescu: sheep can be coaxed into bleating in tune. is this an orchestra now ?
mircea_popescu: see, the fetishism thing again. it "could" be so therefore ~= is.
mircea_popescu: these idiots built their entire minds on this broken equation.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 21:46 asciilifeform: writing 'open' whatevers for a machine where a closed radio has dma to the whole bus, is a laugh
mircea_popescu: the dao "could work" so therefore FUTURE OF CURRENCIEH OMAIGERD
Framedragger: asciilifeform: good point, i should know better
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 18:53 asciilifeform: kinda how i boot up that cute x86 systemv and then notice that it is PALPABLY slow on modern pentium because it lacks ANY disk cache etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 16:50 asciilifeform: Framedragger: pgp. drop the 'I'.
mircea_popescu: this isn't just a happenstance. while it's probably not deliberately constructed, it's nevertheless a CONSTRUCT. ie, part of a culture, which depends on it.
mircea_popescu: the notion that you WANT "instant" messaging is simply begging the question - you thereby and therefore DO NOT want secure, or workable, or sane.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: much like asking "how do you make working social security" skews the discussion into nonsense.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of these strands of cocktopus stuck in each and every pie. how do you have "democratic" syria ? turns out that you don't - you either have "democratic" yet-another-flyover-state ; or else syria.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504163 << and coups organized by people who don't know each other (to the degree that they actually use facebook.whatever)... fail. though the department of state idiocy in turkey was not even accomplished enough to merit the name of failure, properly speaking.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 16:51 Framedragger: difficult to organize coups without the 'I'. the (shitty shitty) turkey coup used whatsapp incidentally
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: sure, i see your point regarding implicit assumptions in "instant messaging" etc.; but on a technical point, they allow for pfs through 'session secrets' without having a bunch of pre-computed keys (unknown status of distaste @ these terms here)
mircea_popescu: it is not clear that otp actually works ; it is almost certain nothing else in the "pfs" gargle does.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i think we broached this before ; anyway - perfect forward secrecy is not a trivial matter.
Framedragger: well, i'll want near-instant-something anyway. perhaps i'm spoiled by teh culture around me (not facebook etc, but more like, well, irc)
mircea_popescu: my evaluation of it was "rewrite" rather than "import" fwiw. but unlike tor, i have no beef with it as of yet.
Framedragger: but it was nice to understand where "gossip" comes from in gossipd: it's all about *not* providing any authenticity of source (beyond "this is coming from my wot")
mircea_popescu: so you have it all, the warehouses bought, the parts delivered, drones are assembled and ready to. for whatever reason you need to syncronize this. and whaty you will do is...
mircea_popescu: "everyone tune in #trilema and listen for me saying go" ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger aha, yeah. more than that : "this is coming from my wot IF YOU ARE IN IT. maybe i'm lying to you, fucker."
Framedragger: which is a fresh perspective for sure, regarding 'infosec' etc
mircea_popescu: generally, tmsr stuff is very powerfully innovative exactly for this reason : that it utterly rejects ~very well selected~ priors commonly shared by "community consensus". it's a bunch of people that "can't spell properly", but not for lack of knowing grammar.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: re. need for synchronization, different needs for different cases? (also, near-instantaneous doesn't imply synchronous or even "with retained order" (not under all interpretations anyway))
mircea_popescu: my point there is that you are confusing two incompatible things : the market and the general staff. there is exactly no overlap between these structurally dijunct items ; and entities that tried to use the same for both (example - classical polish-lithuanian commonwealth) failed miserably FOR THIS REASON.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: this, incidentally and admittedly, is probably why i'm reading logz and half-lurking and all that, to be honest with you
mircea_popescu: whart we do here would suffer from delay ; but would not benefit from encryption. shit, there's a log anyway.
mircea_popescu: what they do in the war room does not benefit from "near instantaenous". contrary to what the ustards in that position think.
mircea_popescu: you know that bit of history ? definitely worth reading, the fall of the republic of both nations.
Framedragger: i know to some extent but not well enough, and i'd need to find credible sources (what we've been fed in high school re this is no good, teh lithuanian perspective etc etc)
Framedragger: (i've read afterwards but honestly it's still shit)
mircea_popescu: myeah. well... read the source material. fortunately the fellows were literate, and recorded in latin.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe it's opaque without a lot of other bits not directly obvious to me ; but until i hear better i'll continue to believe it directly works.
mircea_popescu: (and as a general rule, never read a summary unless you own the producer.)
Framedragger: the latter seems hard on a practical level, even if very admirable. maybe it's a rationalization of my laziness, though
mircea_popescu: Framedragger btw, since we're on this : you know the story of sobieski and his siege of piatra neamt ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> soviet phones were owned by state corp, say. << Many phones still owned by descendants of original AT&T still collect rent
mircea_popescu: haha. ok, ima produce an english version of the official romanian story thereof.
Framedragger: (re. latin, thanks / agree, though my latin would only be good for spotting some grammar/syntax errors in modern latin, heh. but yeah...)
deedbot: Sinclair_ voiced for 30 minutes.