phf: it's like halfway between common lisp and elisp
phf: i kind of want to read an entire book about this Dirlewanger fella
shinohai: Although this picture appears free of intravenous drugs.
shinohai: Yeah those are definitely fix-a-flat boobs
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Hillary Rodham-Clinton after putting the few remaining working Americans in a basket labelled deplorables during the weekend her legs buckled at Ground Zero, was discovered to have earlier alleged that many young American leftists were basement dwellers." << huh ?
mircea_popescu: that magenta thing had me in stitches though. masterfully done.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: mepian voiced for 30 minutes.
mepian: Hello and thanks for the voice
mepian: I was reading Trilema for a while and decided to visit you here
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Choppied that piece up a bit.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> that magenta thing had me in stitches though. masterfully done. << tyvm
jurov: mepian: because drivers/interfaces for recent enough FPGAs are yet higher level of closedturdedness
PeterL: ^ I converted lamport paper to ascii, took some hand cranking to clean up after the machine gave it a try.
a111: Logged on 2015-06-17 13:17 asciilifeform: you can pick up a textbook and write a dram controller for fpga from first principles - and it won't work. because, for starters, only a small number of output cells in the chip can function on both rising and falling edge of clock cycle (what 'ddr' means) and only xilinx's closed turd knows where they are in the routing fabric;
a111: Logged on 2014-12-11 01:52 asciilifeform: decimation: notice that all known fpga manufacturers (xilinx, altera, lattice, a few others) have the same business model
deedbot: mepian voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: trinque: good! looks to be a busy week.
adlai: mircea_popescu: cheers! now i, too, can tell #cat-v that "there's no way that's the REAL mircea because ..."
adlai: doncha remember, "sl_ seriouslt this is not mircea ... i saved the emails last year from when mircea donated for my thinkpad"
trinque: heya phf, did you ever take on that sbcl arm port (and which arm was it) ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: incidentally, at some point you gotta do the "sorry for your lues"
trinque: phf: my google tentacles found that in foreign lands
trinque: I encounter asciilifeform, phf, or gabriel_laddel tracks semi-frequently :P
BingoBoingo: urls containing "drive.google.com/open?id=" now on qntra blacklist.
trinque: !!rate gabriel_laddel 1 mega-helpful clim-splainer
trinque: !!v DC2C216469620467DE71979B63F754FE244DB479EC7FA4349392136A74595FE9
deedbot: trinque rated gabriel_laddel 1 << mega-helpful clim-splainer
trinque: guy even sent me a detailed email in response to a query.
mircea_popescu: PeterL for the record, traditionally "not equal" is marked as != not /= because ! is the logical negation and also because / has other meanings ; while "less than or equal" is =< or <= or somesuch, not _<. why invent unexpected symbology ?
PeterL: yeah, that makes sense.
jurov: despite my orientation, i prefer <>
shinohai: jurovs's favorite tar.gz double-clicker from yesterday just asked me if he could just wget all his dependencies.
adlai: /= is a [common]-lispism
PeterL: what does it mean in lisp?
PeterL: well, I copy/pasted out of pdf, then with bare hands had to fix just about every symbol (and for some reason it lost all the "a"s)
PeterL: but it also gave a chance to thouroughly read paper
PeterL: I grok it much more now than before task
shinohai is disappointed PeterL didn't use vellum
PeterL: deedbot does not eat vellum
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> deedbot does not eat vellum << He might if you ask trinque to feed it to him
PeterL: that was essentially my task, getting deedbot to eat paper
jurov force feeds deedbot clay tables
phf: trinque: i added your sig to btcbase
PeterL: as far as mathematical/scientific papers go, asciiifying this one was not too bad.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 03:18 asciilifeform: {a {b (1 2} (c d (e f} эквивалентно (a (b (1 2)) (c d (e f)))
phf: i was looking at some mit cadr source and they do some totally insane stuff with parenthesis closing/opening
phf: i think it was a thing in vogue at some point, back when fexprs were still in the back of everyones minds
phf: true, or the fact that simple half a second "match opening paren" is pain, when you're typing )))) in a row
phf: asciilifeform: well, in a sense that it wasn't immediately obvious that read-delimited-list is a fundamental concept
phf: for how cavalier cadr is with parenthesis, all of that is gone by the time of genera
phf: in before clojure and special [] :>
phf: and then not give you readtable!
phf: fwiw they had a graphical editor going back to mit cadr, and it flashes and highlights
phf: hmm, fair question, but i don't remember, i can't remember if tab even indents to the right place, i'll check in a bit
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551544 << sbcl already has an arm port, courtesy of nyef. i am doing the same work for cmucl, but i'm very far from actually getting there. i'm going by armv7 with vfpv3-d16, mostly because that's what ccl does and their code is imho most readable
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 14:29 trinque: heya phf, did you ever take on that sbcl arm port (and which arm was it) ?
phf: needless to say, i have no idea what i'm doing(r)(c)
trinque: was particularly curious about armhf threads, which sbcl lacks
trinque: clozure cl seems to work for what I need
trinque: I have no idea whether ccl is a good idea (tm) (r)
trinque: they are there as blessings!
PeterL: why not just use python? indentation enforced!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> the parallels with medieval copyists invite themselves... << it's called scholarship, hater.
mircea_popescu: alrigh alright, you're not a hater, you're just a strange lover.
shinohai: I consider asciilifeform the republican authority on impalement methods
shinohai: So that's what that stick he is carrying in the new trilema banner is for.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it may be illustrative to point out at this juncture that well over half of player time in eulora is spent with the character superimposed on a very pike like thing.
mircea_popescu: oh yeah, anyone figured what that thing in my hand is ?
shinohai: I can't make it out, looked very close to a dried bovine penis for all I can tell.
mircea_popescu: quite useful device, also. wrap it in newspaper, crack anyone's skull open.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> it's actually a very fine machete. hecho en colombia. << Very cool.
mircea_popescu: i suppose a machete esp in the rula style as seen there is a very credible cavalry sword.
mircea_popescu: (the word itself comes from "manliness" if anyone's curious)
mircea_popescu: i thought it was like the romanian language, a subjective superset of all languages.
mircea_popescu: one node higher from that : i was unaware anyone involved actually had the subjective mechanism of indentity. it works like this "don't do that, only gypsies do that, we're not gypsies". that's identity. whereas who in c ever said anything of the kind ?
mircea_popescu: the ~only thing they produce is "oh yeah, those other people do that other thing ? SO DO WE!"
mircea_popescu: you ever saw a "this should not be in c because it's stupid" in the past 30 or so years ?
mircea_popescu: all the various "c-with-serials-filed-off-because-i-wanna-john-smith-all-over-the-place" inherit this bizarre property.
phf: that second link looks like alternative take on cdrcoding, but since the first post started with "i read on twitter from discussion on hacker news"..
mircea_popescu: no you don't understand, "Software, lingüística, mitologia nórdica e rock'n'roll". a true renaiswitter man.
mircea_popescu: i dunno man. "This looks (to me) as good C code as it gets. However, this code triggers undefined behavior: after the first iteration of the loop frees the node pointed to by head, it is undefined behavior to perform the tmp != head comparison, even though head is not dereferenced." << if this looks like good c to him he would have flunked my higschool class.
mircea_popescu: absolute minimum defensive coding for unix ; taught as such decades ago in fucking romanian.
mircea_popescu: "may not use the datastructs you are dereferencing in any control code involving the dereferencing. F."
mircea_popescu: why the fuck do 64 bit platforms even bother with 32 bit ints ffs.
mircea_popescu: i spent 100s of engineer-hours fixing the idiocy of "int" not being 64 bit ; it's a disaster for human productivity directly comparable to the black death.
mircea_popescu: worst fucking idea ever and who the fuck came up with it.
mircea_popescu: i'd say we are adding two ints to two consecutive memory maps, but w/e.
mircea_popescu: is something supposed to be processed backwards here or what ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> add dword [edi], 0xAABBCCDD << say edi = 0xAABBCCDD. the contents of edi+4 after this will be 0.
mircea_popescu: myeah ; color me satisfied. i thought you have to use adc to pop it and push it both.
mircea_popescu: myeah. except the one in my head ; cuz if i had made cpus then add dword 0xAABBCCDD, 0xAABBCCDD = 557799BA and adc dword 0xAABBCCDD, 0xAABBCCDD = 557799BA + set carry bit. but then again i dun make them.
mircea_popescu: none of these map to any code other than asm ; chiefly because fixed memory like this is not even used anymore.
mircea_popescu: ok. chiefly because the fashion in kink high this season is to pretend that fixed memory like this is not even used anymore.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the solution everyone uses is to declare a special class made of arbitrary length bitfields and define procedures on it such as these.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure that's what gfx people do, for instance, some of the fellows that first encountered 128 bit, 256bit and so forth overflowing ints.
mircea_popescu: (a demand for tobacco powered by europe's elite aiming to protect itself from diseases through smoke permitted richmond to be a thing.)
mircea_popescu: the only valid statement of it is that "all other languages bootstrap in c". see recent discussion with phf.
mircea_popescu: so it's more of a fashion / kink high consensus thing than a real matter.
mircea_popescu: hey, you just wrote a c complier for addition above! :D
mircea_popescu: no dude. the reason the disease perpetuates itself is the functionally illiterate product of the stunted intellectual life in the colonies ; whereby there's this outpour of idiots who imagine "what i can do" is an acceptable limit of "what i shall do". so they'll be writing things in c "because that's what i know".
mircea_popescu: "i will now make apple pie out of turnips, because here in new york all we have is turnips. mmmmm delicious apple pie, new-york style. the angel morni told me so!"
mircea_popescu: how is it that the republic can do just fine progressing at the clip of its own progress, no faster than that, nor slower ; and that while we don't specifically wnat to "do things" or set goals, nevertheless we do things and achieve (other people's) goals ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: there's a fucking right way to do things, and this arbitrary "i shall now be a becoming actress" ain't it.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 15:33 asciilifeform: think 'old version.' if there existed a medieval gcc, i'd at least consider it.
ben_vulpes: "you're not a c programmer, you're a gcc programmer"
mircea_popescu:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161003/#340 << yes. as we speak diana_coman is busy at work making snapsnots of linuxen. because it's obvious from practice that the way this goes is "i can't install eulora on linux" "we tested this" "but i can't". then upon extensive and expensive research it turns out... THEY CHANGED THE FUCKING DISTRO. breaking software. because why not.
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mircea_popescu: so we'll just have people run historical snapshots and that's that.
☟︎ shinohai curses Debian for whatever crapolade is in newest release
ben_vulpes: this gulf between computers as toys and computers as devices to be used by people who can patch, understand what the machine is doing stretches wider every day.
ben_vulpes: not that i'm claiming to understand what the machine is doing.
mircea_popescu: if anyone is inclined to maintain forks of any linux distro (much in the manner of trb - to clean, not to "support"/utf/systemd/etc) we can prolly work something out.
☟︎ shinohai: Well I certainly learned the merits of preserving an older gcc this weekend
trinque: Framedragger: I can help you fix that python error; ping me when available.
☟︎ trinque: even when using generator exprs could at least hit enter once in a while :p
PeterL: I guess there is something to be said for not doing everything at once, makes it easier to understand
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 18:23 mircea_popescu:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161003/#340 << yes. as we speak diana_coman is busy at work making snapsnots of linuxen. because it's obvious from practice that the way this goes is "i can't install eulora on linux" "we tested this" "but i can't". then upon extensive and expensive research it turns out... THEY CHANGED THE FUCKING DISTRO. breaking software. because why not.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i need an interpretation guide for your last post. what am i seeing ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose not enough faux "women in tech" to satisfy teh libtards.
mircea_popescu: vaguely related, it turns out that the per capita price for polish children cca 1942 was 25 zloty.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the demolished man is an excellent piece, inasmuch as it's pretty much an exact description of both the ideal as well as the practical implementation of "modern democracy, civilised & globalized" as teh bureaucrats perceive it.
mircea_popescu: it's literally what hillary clinton thought she was doing with her derpy email server. and still thinks this.
mircea_popescu: "protecting esper l3 comms from terrorists who don't understand how demolished world works."
mircea_popescu: (note that the ~only punishment described is... having to leave "the country". as if not smelling the fucking farts of ustards is the worst fate.)
mircea_popescu: much like hillary, she thinks it merely enhances her life and she could quit at any time, if the balance turned -ev
mircea_popescu: womne almost never hit rock bottom. this is almost entirely a male phenomenon.
mircea_popescu: there's some biological factors to account for this, both directly (shittier metabolism ; stronger response to neurotransmitters ; the venereal 50/5 trap etc) and indirect (through the workings of sexuate reproduction women are always vandable) ; but i'm pretty sure there's also psychological factors involved.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: specifically, that male self-hate tends to reject the world (which is what "i hit rock bottom" always is - it is insanity to imagine the addict understands the world in your terms, and "Has seen reason" ; no such thing, he just activated a peculiar, and reasonably well understood, psychological process. no rationality involved) whereas in females tends to reject the self.
mircea_popescu: addiction limits that t very narrowly closer to inf. if you get her started in college she'll die before her tits sag if we're talking eg meth.
mircea_popescu: and the beauty is, the only true boundry on the $costofdopehabit is the ceiling on t.
mircea_popescu: if you're willing to die tomorrow you can have five pounds of your choice of dusts, seeing how yo ugo rob a bank.
mircea_popescu: surely. dope is still the best way to open up china for "trade" ; as it is the best way to get that snotty chick with "plans for the future" open for... hm. "partying".
mircea_popescu: he mostly studied men. there's a marked difference between the genders.
mircea_popescu: but yes, humanity being what it is - this isn't a complete solution. given a large enough population, you'll find individuals capable to survive anything ; hiv even has innate immunity believe it or noit.
mircea_popescu: we are discussing very unlikely situations here. back when i was a kid, codeine as a phosophorous salt was the child cough remedy ; i took plenty ; so did other kids. did ~nothing.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it was safe mostly \because lacking the social context.
mircea_popescu: well, opium adiction is very slow. you need to actually get addicted.
mircea_popescu: as that pacino character aptly points out, "i'm chippin'"
mircea_popescu: think of starting a wood fire. "many trunks in the forest, including mine and friends' i saw, had zippo lighter approached to trunk - nothing happened"
mircea_popescu: sure darling. suppose you're a) dry enough and b) in a furnace, ok ?
PeterL: what is the difference between a zippo and a hippo? One is very heavy and the other is a little lighter!
mircea_popescu: PeterL has this decided "kids interests" streak in him. he knows all the shit 12yos are liable to find cool.
PeterL: well, I hang around with a 10 yo girl a lot, sometimes it rubs off
PeterL: I think she knows that one already
mircea_popescu: so girl bought "brazilian grapes". they're indescribably aptly named. colored this luscious black, like a brazilian chick's tone ; big, and round, and tough and sweet.
ben_vulpes: !~later tell pete_dushenski 'no ceilings' isn't a /bad/ mixtape, on review
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; like colored coins except with a different dood pretending to authorship.
shinohai: "We propose a soft-fork that defines a new opcode (redefining a NOP opcode) as the OP_COUNT_ACKS using the segwit script versioning system"
mircea_popescu: but w/e, after the total rout of the gavin forks in 2015 and the political rather than technological defeat of the summer of forks earlier last year the remaining hole - which is also not going to get plugged - is exactly in this vein (segwit is no different), where all comers are more than welcome to define magic versions, script meanings and paralel chains ; which everyone else is more than welcome to ignore.
mircea_popescu: this both satisfies the desire of github rats to feel connected to bitcoin even though they aren't ; as well as bitcoin's necessity to be rid of the "talented" young minds.
mircea_popescu: so it's stable, and can continue indefinitely. they have not the power to change the situation at any rate.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 18:23 mircea_popescu: so we'll just have people run historical snapshots and that's that.
jurov: Is mircea going to do this for eulora? I missed it.
jurov: You see, I was asked to operate eulora vendor channels, and just gave up exactly bacause of this. It needs team of monkeys to keep up.
mircea_popescu: moreover "new" video cards make about as much sense as "14nm cpu".
trinque: now that is the stuff of sci-fi dreams. republican game console brings political and computing salvation to teh youth.
mircea_popescu: the moore is dead. it's just as dead here as it was when i killed gavin with it. dead is dead, and objective reality means universal properties.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except anyone who walks into a shop to buy a lappy walks out with ipad anyway.
mircea_popescu: and my 2004 vintage card is not even the oldest ; not by a long shot.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 15:36 shinohai: So that's what that stick he is carrying in the new trilema banner is for.
jurov: Oh, windows is completely other can of nastiness. You can count on directx being kinda stable, but the incessant updates are prone to break anything else.
mircea_popescu: actually i'm currently chasing a major performance degrading bug which seems to be related to directx version > 8.
mircea_popescu: and by "major performance degrading" i mean that same machine, same os, same code runs at 150 fps with pre and ad 1.5 fps with post. no otehr symptoms.
mircea_popescu: i expect as we clean that up i'll be in a better position to make sense.
mircea_popescu: to be honest, i do not think the current "open source" has five years left in it.
mircea_popescu: i suspect that by 2020, ~everything will cease to be supported
mircea_popescu: and it seems the high water was cca 2010, not improving.
mircea_popescu: myeah. that's the other thing - once the "r&d" pretense goes away, vidcards will definitely go the way of ram, as hdds went before it. ie, centralization, 1 place in asia where they're all made, all the same.
mircea_popescu: at which point making a proiper driver for the bn unit singleitem will make sense
mircea_popescu: no point wasting effort with the current variety ; unless one's trying to learn.
adlai:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551821 << after reading preceding thread (and i must say: machine code logs > all other logs), i now wonder if i'm not a lisp programmer, nor a cl programmer, nor even an sbcl or ccl programmer, but a "ql:quickload programmer"
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 17:28 trinque: knew it was already in l0gz
adlai finds himself pining for that one server where s/foo/bar/ actually works
adlai: asciilifeform: unfortunately, it's pretty much impossible to 'tradebot' without this
adlai: even if you want to atomic-swap trb against etc, you're stuck shelling out, so you're at best "sbcl/ccl programmer"
adlai: (at worst - tinyscheme matchstick-and-glue-bridger)
adlai:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551909 << in this case, i'm gonna "blame the mice", or in other words -- and i can't find the exact 'logs' here, but it's iirc Leary -- "you can meditate for ten years and achieve nothing, but take a decimated milligram of lysergic acid dimethylamide, and something interesting is guaranteed to happen"
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 19:15 asciilifeform: most folks off the street, if given whatever dope you like, will not - apparently - take to it.
trinque predicts adlai will evade but...
trinque: define acheive, and ... something.
adlai: does it count as evading if i explain my paraphrase rather than citing strunk and white?
trinque: I've done acid something like 10 times. Where was the something interesting?
adlai: ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HOW MANY TIMES have you meditated daily for ten years?
adlai: the gist of the paraphrase is that some chemicals have an effect on the human brain which is not reducible to "now you will be less inhibited"
trinque: that's all it is, and woe upon you that your culture has none worthwhile to put you through.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 06:15 trinque: ordeal is therapeutic; psychdelics maybe if they cause a beneficial ordeal
adlai: interestingl, hebrew has a single word for "does not kill you"
adlai: makes this proverb actually poetic, as opposed to my english translabutchering
adlai: mekhashel. means roughly, "makes you stronger, short of the irreducible strength attained by having your obituary written"
adlai has yet to find a chemical which truly makes him more productive, long term. so far they've all been 'addiction'
trinque: adlai: you still didn't define the fucking precise benefit
trinque: am I supposed to buy homeopathic cures from you on the same grounds?
a111: Logged on 2015-11-19 16:19 mircea_popescu: specifically, that there are two kids of people : the addicts, who aren't people, and the actual people.
adlai: benefit of what, doing things you've never done before?
trinque: this borderline slut right here
mircea_popescu: ordeal is what your mom doesn't want to happen to you.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-25 22:58 mircea_popescu: i think it is past your bedtime, yes. come back fresh tomorrow.
adlai: goodnight and shana tova to all the kikes reading along
ben_vulpes: on a different topic am i crazy or are bitcoin /pubkeys/ serialized in the blockchain big-endianly and /ripmd160 pubkey hashes/ serialized little-endianly?
trinque: henceforth working on trb was known throughout the land as "doughfucking"
ben_vulpes: fudgepacker, not in the sexual sense but in the sense of going overboard packing shit too tightly where it didn't matter and not thinking rigorously about ~anything that did
mircea_popescu: ah yes, exactly. alf keeps stealing my ideas and then passing them off as his!
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel: dina_corman: I don't have the disk space to download all of them, but if you could get all the funtoo stage3 tarballs too, would be great.
a111: Logged on 2014-11-13 19:06 asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: aha. listened to 'no ceilings' maybe 6 months ago for the first time and was relatively unimpressed. on the other hand i just found an unlabeled cd in my car that turned out to be 'drought iii' and i'm currently quite enjoying the walk down memory lane.
ben_vulpes: good lines scattered about. otherwise, entirely meh.
pete_dushenski: cars, computers, and rap apparently all peaked between '07-'10
ben_vulpes: "how come every joint on point like a harpoon"
pete_dushenski is quite enjoying "jay"'s 4.6l all-aluminum v8 atm now that he's commuting more. a radar detector is now near the top of the shopping list (yes, they're legal here)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: my early research indicates that premium radar detectors a la valentine1 detect 'camera-on-wheels' on k and ka bands
☟︎ ben_vulpes: lmk if you want to commission a laser jammer pete_dushenski
ben_vulpes: been thinking about 'em for a while now.
ben_vulpes: those little 30W modules asciilifeform found could take one out permamently.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 22:33 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: my early research indicates that premium radar detectors a la valentine1 detect 'camera-on-wheels' on k and ka bands
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: what do you need to get started on the commission ? time, money, both ?
ben_vulpes: it's be a pretty pricey project, i don't really expect anyone to fund it.
ben_vulpes: part of the 'catalogue of hardware for asymmetric statal combat'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: tire's emissivity implies decent conversion of non-ir wavelengths to heat, is this mistaken?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes lol she even ~sounds~ like a (much) lil(er) girl
ben_vulpes: "fuck i look like? i'm lookin for a bitch that can fuck right, cook right. and if not, then left foot, right, get to steppin, yeah bitch walk like."
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: lol you're joking rite. no city ? anywhere ? try THE ENTIRETY of airstrip one. the whole thing. it's one big trap of 'time from a to b should be =<x or else ticket mailed to house'
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: diggin it. not even a huge wu-tang fan either.
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a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 16:46 mircea_popescu: how is it that the republic can do just fine progressing at the clip of its own progress, no faster than that, nor slower ; and that while we don't specifically wnat to "do things" or set goals, nevertheless we do things and achieve (other people's) goals ?
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 22:22 asciilifeform: the second prong of this, as described in the leaked mit slides last year, is to declare unbelted coin 'terrorist' and simultaneously shitcoin it from use at coinbase, bitpay, etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 20:54 ben_vulpes: shana tova
ben_vulpes does not feel like combing through deedbot's sexpr output at this moment
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 20:49 mircea_popescu: who the fuck meditates.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: plz to add ratings to bots.contravex
trinque: isn't in mine; gimme a bit and I'll ping you, pete_dushenski.
trinque: isn't on there though, gimme sec ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: i'm fair loathe to make more entries in an informal, non-republican dht
trinque: I didn't write docs for it yet
trinque: the damn horses, hold them.
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pete_dushenski: bbl. !!ratings removed from directory until further notice from trinque.
ben_vulpes: and in other recent lolz, a block just came through with 2 transactions in it including the coinbase
ben_vulpes: if you hit the ip raw that's all you'll get
mircea_popescu: there's better ways to handle passwords than to ask people to alias things
trinque: how otherwise to abandon using DNS?
trinque: guess it could be "folders"
trinque: whole thing is broken until gossipd-year-0
mircea_popescu: i have plenty spare ; i guess in my head it's a thing in the vein of the megawatt standard.
ben_vulpes: i can get more ips, did not expect this caltrop
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah thinking about it i am not sure we actually wish to salvage that particular aspect altogether. do we ?
trinque: it's a second place for namespacing aside the URL, which ~is simply wwwcruft
trinque: atop gossipd I think the *entire* "this website" thing goes, replaced by "I would like the thing identified by hash ..., do my friends have it?"
trinque: the browser and "cache" is replaced by a proper database which stacks these items and creates a www locally. whether items were retained would be a matter of implementation (perhaps some measure of proximity to one's own wot, or the operator having given the item his V-tronic seal)
trinque: er, not www-locally, a web. :P