a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 20:54 asciilifeform: 'Yes, it was mainly for FetLife's and my protection, and we had to act swiftly. One could easily argue that we didn't move swift enough and that I shouldn't even make this post because something in it might incriminate FetLife or me.' << lel
a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 20:55 asciilifeform: wtf is the point of making umpteenth centralized arsebook.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 20:59 asciilifeform: 'Why haven't you embraced Bitcoin to get away from the restrictions of the banks / credit card companies? - We used to accept bitcoins through Coinbase. They dropped us a year ago because we are a kinky site. No joke.'
a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 21:47 phf: so if you have a system that you implemented fast, but it's slow, but you know how to now slowly make it fast, you have a strategy. if you're chasing corner cases, running a profiler and get mostly flat distribution, writing in special cases, etc. you don't have one
a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 22:22 ben_vulpes: WHAT i ask you IS THE POINT of an ultra-heavy IDE that a) cannot tell me where the protocol breakage is during a refactor much less what to do about it b) has a project search SO MISERABLY BAD that a man must revert to grep in order to find ANYTHING
a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 22:32 asciilifeform: broken searches are nearly always a result of some pathetic piece of shit trying to 'be clever'.
mircea_popescu: broken shit is what you get when you don't let the "overly agresive Alphas" beat shithead manning into a bloody pulp.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what's the "everything should be free" thing ?
mircea_popescu: heh. they should have thought of THAT before being annoying.
mircea_popescu clearly recalls that when i showed somethingawful.com the cat they immediately stfu and ran away.
mircea_popescu: nothing easier than to turn off cc processing for one of these "website businesses"
mircea_popescu: takes me all of half an hour to organize a 10% chargeback pile, which is the immediate end, for isntance.
mircea_popescu: and this isn't just re derpy "democratic" forum or herpy "free" sexploitatation venue. this applies to the fucking guardian, or to wikipedia.
mircea_popescu: the ONLY reason they're still here is that i've not decided to end them.
mircea_popescu: not even that. i don't perceive they're actually hurting. yes they're fucking up the lives of idiots. so ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider ben_vulpes 's latest article. the choice is very clearly available ; the sort of mind who nevertheless opts for idiocy truly deserves it.
mircea_popescu: yes i'm aware that forcibly works and their own heads don't. so ?
mod6: So, my V changes that implement a proper wot-variant V are looking pretty decent. however, I thought up an edge case that I'd like to discuss a bit more -- and I know we've been over this a bunch, and even recently.
mod6: Say that we have a flow, like trb, with all sorts of vpatches that stem from one single root. where that root is designated as a 'root' because all of its inputs are 'false'. what should happen with a vpatch that, for instance, just adds a file to the source and has no antecedents, nor decendants.
mod6: so this one single vpatch has a 'false' input, and a non-zero sha512 output.
mod6: ok, i'd have to look at shiva genesis again here. but yeah, multiple roots.
mod6: so in the case of my previous implementation (V99995), these island-roots would simply endup at the end of the flow, as a leaf. as they are both a root and a leaf at the same time.
mircea_popescu: either it builds in its own independent tree, or else it declares an antecedent in the trb tree.
mircea_popescu: rule is very simple : all items with false inputs create a project. whole, independent.
mod6: ok, so that's basically what I was wondering. to be designated a proper 'root', do we also add the criteria of "must have an actual proper decendant"
mod6: ok i guess that would be bad in the sense that "i'm just staring this project, my genesis should be a root even though nothing descends it yet..."
mod6: asciilifeform: yah, got it.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: wtf means 'root and leaf at the same time' << in the old code, it is a root, because it has no antecedents, and it is a leaf because it also has no descendants.
mircea_popescu: the criteria for root/leaf are the same : anything false, root. anything non-false, leaf.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> either it builds in its own independent tree, or else it declares an antecedent in the trb tree. << so in the latter part here, should my 'foobar.vpatch' that just adds one file without any antecedents or descendants actually inherit an antecedent, in this case 'genesis.vpatch' ? just trying to understand ...
mircea_popescu: all patches to trb tree must refer to an antecedent in the trb tree. no exceptions. if "nothing comes to mind", genesis is a fine default.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is one of those cases of "sit on side of sanity ask what can get away with".
mircea_popescu: just because it works(tm) ie could be got away with is no good reason to actually try.
mod6: so say we go with that... that 'foobar.vpatch' just inherits an antecedent 'genesis.vpatch'; how does one distinguish between 'foobar.vpatch' as a root and 'genesis.vpatch' as a root without additional criteria?
mircea_popescu: but an important point here i must stress is the COGNITIVE LOAD of a v tree. these aren't mechanical "oh, it changed x file so it goes with x". you think, as the author, and exactly in the manner of scoring wot members : what should this item be anchored on ?
mod6: both of these have all inputs as 'false' -- hard for the code to tell which should be witch at face value without something "and it has at least one descendant"
mircea_popescu: v links add value ; which couldn't have been made by "an ai"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform an item can exist in two copies : as its independent tree AND ALSO as a patch imported in a project.
mircea_popescu: trb-shiva should be trb-shiva ; if shiva-genesis also exists nothing is hurt thereby.
mod6: the main reason that I bring this up; 'foobar.vpatch' is being dumped out of the flow and causing problems since i've implemented the axiom of 'a vpatch can only be in the flow if all of its antecedents are present.' which causes a problem in this case as it gets chucked out as an orphan.
mircea_popescu: it should respond with "broken tree, fix seals" error and not press.
mod6: ok. what should the vtron do with these extra roots? place them at the end of the flow as leafs?
mircea_popescu: the concept of "a press" towards more than one root is actually devoid of content.
mircea_popescu: well, i get it that you think you did, except you didn't, because, note this, BECAUSE it didn't crash your algo.
mircea_popescu: vtron that presses a multi-root tree is, by that very fact, a broken implementation.
mircea_popescu: vtron that presses a tree containing more than one genesis is, by that very fact, a broken implementation.
mircea_popescu: this is not a matter of "style", it is a matter of identity.
mircea_popescu: the project is named after its tree's genesis, and conceptually exists as and only as descendancy from that genesis.
mircea_popescu: speshul snowflakes need not apply ; they may be own trees, or leaves in extant trees, or not at all.
mircea_popescu: wife changes her name, becomes daughter of her husband's father.
mircea_popescu: not sure it wasn't ; pretty sure that was always there, but yes i guess before the expliciting
mircea_popescu: anyway, not like patches can't be rebased into conformancy.
mircea_popescu: corectness, and corectness only, is the goal. if it produces no children so be it.
mircea_popescu: but understand that the only correct solution is to steal the natives babies and give them roman/spanish names.
mircea_popescu: there is no such "oh, we'll represent local-batshit in our system"
mircea_popescu: historically this isn't so accurate, everyone lived in the ~same shit.
mircea_popescu: to put it in more direct terms : remove fog of war around authorship yes, but this can ONLY be done through denying the franchise to anyone outside of wot. only wot people can be authors of things, so in this sense anything, tinyscheme included, until and unless its meatspace authors fess up, is literally "found in forest" and will have to bear an actual man's name
mircea_popescu: there's no way to meaningfully assert "this leaf was made by $somenonpeople".
mircea_popescu: i caqn readily see why this irritates your otherwise very well developed and entirely respectable respect for knowledge.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, i am saying, flatly, that this isn't a knowledge. as per lieberman.
mircea_popescu: the concept of identity in the fiat world has come under scrutiny every single time.
mircea_popescu: see the discussion of boeck's alleged "contributions" etc.
mircea_popescu: there isn't two different someones out there in a reliable sense.
mod6: i think that cow aught to be rebased perhaps
mod6: it either goes in the tree or it does not exist.
mircea_popescu: this wedge will not prevail. i'll do without any milk, forever.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the odds of something being imported to break the structure because hey, convenience are nil.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i expect the correct solution going forward is : a) for someone (maybe trbf ?) to make a Wildman McFucksticks key which b) will be used to sign a compliant rebase of tinyscheme / anything else anyone finds in the woods and wants to sign.
mircea_popescu: it can even be a collective key, perhaps not in the sense of actually sharing the privkey, but perhaps trbf/holder signs items at request ; with the understanding it's all foundling crap anyway
mod6: heheh. this is complicated huh.
mircea_popescu: mod6 kinda the thing with prototyping, we end up with redesigns
mod6: I appreciate both of your thoughts and considerations on the subject matter.
mod6: Much appreciated. Other than this problem with the roots at hand, I think mine is in pretty great shape. The implementation of the all-antecedents axiom creates a bit of a slant here for what I have. But I'll do some digging into what your v99 looks like again and see if I can't get something resolved with that.
mircea_popescu: anwyay, the farmer's faith in the functional ability of their institutions, fbi or whatever, is entirely misplaced. about half my friends throughout my entire ro period were "underground" or "on the lam" ; for that matter the italians recently arrested that dude with the cesar ciphers ? he was "hiding" for 30 years by then
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. but the article makes a very solid point : the current "start-up culture" is EXACTLY this. as discussed in the trilema "sv pedos" piece and ailleurs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing is easier than
http://trilema.com/2017/my-ai-problems-a-humble-confession/#comment-121016 "I didn't ask the girl if she thinks I'm any good or not. This is neither her business nor something within her purview. I asked the girl if she thinks she has it in her to try and survive once the world (WHICH I OWN) is no longer friendly to her. I didn't ask the DA for his evaluation of me. I couldn't give less of
mircea_popescu: a shit what some random bureaucrat thinks on any topic. I asked the DA if he thinks he has it in him to survive once the world which I control is no longer tolerant of him."
mircea_popescu: emperor norton died in his bed. well, after a fashion.
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's a discussion of history not a proposal. woe to the apprentice wizard who fancies himself a wizard on the strength of having read the actual wizard's youth journal.
mircea_popescu: (contrary to the deeply desired implication reflected in the name, there's no relation between a wizard and an apprentice wizard.)
mircea_popescu: fancy the inept seinfeld boys of the time, trying to find the secret rubik cube configuration
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes on consideration piece not really worth translating ; it was a short intro for clueless ro audience. read eric berne &co instead.
adlai: the bug is calling it a 'root', it's actually a leaf. the "root" of the relevant patch tree is the node you're trying to press. the "second root" which makes less sense (but should still not eggog) is "press two nodes"
adlai was gonna update on 'homework' but complies with sir's request
☟︎ deedbot: mircea_popescu rated adlai 1 at 2016/02/17 21:22:20 << alf's bff. nolispo.
mircea_popescu: !!v B87E2BD9BA6B6CAD2A58C7198027894B28FF7834F547AEA8D5EE89D9D673F3B6
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of adlai from 1 to -10 << Deliberately useless idiot.
mircea_popescu: To be clear re ^ : dude's been trying to attack the republic for over a year by now through the remarkably idiotic procedure of speaking as if he has some weight. Because who knows, maybe we're all dumb dumb and this contextual approach actually works, we'll end up thinking he's somebody because he's been acting as if he were for so long, everyone forgot he isn't.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Let it be plainly stated that you treat this sort of subhuman scum as if it were a person at your own peril. It won't benefit by your sacrifice ; you will sooner or later end up in the sad position of discovering you no longer have a soul.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha fucktards at ietf actually put 451 into their forked version of the internet standard.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 20:55 asciilifeform: wtf is the point of making umpteenth centralized arsebook.
Framedragger: but the thing *could* be developed orthogonally to gossipd's efforts, which is nice.
Framedragger: but the originally conceived idea of a site which serves 'smart' JS which does pgp must be disposed of. i even looked into the state of the art in pinning (say, JS) web resources in html5 so the browser can be sure it's being served the same stuff, but it's ~undoable because the whole browserstack is rotten (and obvs JS doubly so)
mircea_popescu: truth be told it's not directly clear there's not actually a future for both insta and letter models (ie, irc and webforums, for instance, or phone calls AND mailing lists/bbsen) irrespective of historical poor implementation.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i suppose so, at least the latest concept iteration as developed in the comments
mircea_popescu: Framedragger hey, you've... not exactly learned a lot, but actually examined a lot in the past few months huh!
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes, it's quite unclear to me that gossipd need be related to this other thing
Framedragger: i'm like that (useless) teacher in kobo abe's "woman in the dunes", walking around the desert and examining bugs :) one day i'll fall into a pit which houses a house and a woman, and i won't want to get out
Framedragger: anyway, maybe one day someone will elucidate me why -10 ratings is a thing for humans who have done a magicaltux
mircea_popescu: i'm satisfied in my mental representation of the fellow and won't be changing it. that's another name for certainty.
Framedragger: i suppose this ties into the "view WoT rating as a representation of degree of certainty" approach, aha.
trinque: dutchies just wishing they were invited to the NSA, GHQ, BND party
☟︎ trinque: also good morning gentlemen
Framedragger: a fine morning to yourself! i see you rise early
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 02:25 asciilifeform: if there is literally no way to memorialize the fact that i took $item off a dead nazi, or dug up from sunken atlantis, rather than wrote it personally -- said item will have to be done without. (unless someone else in your wot does the imho monumentally idiotic act of 'adopting it as own child')
trinque: beyond that, what kind of dishonest hanno shitbag would negrate you for an item you clearly picked up in the forest, and if he doesn't know you well enough to know what your work looks like, has no business rating you.
☟︎ trinque: Framedragger: I like to start working when the other fleshy meatsacks are turned off
davout: "l'avenir appartient à ceux qui se lèvent tôt"
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 07:07 mircea_popescu: To be clear re ^ : dude's been trying to attack the republic for over a year by now through the remarkably idiotic procedure of speaking as if he has some weight. Because who knows, maybe we're all dumb dumb and this contextual approach actually works, we'll end up thinking he's somebody because he's been acting as if he were for so long, everyone forgot he isn't.
adlai doesn't drink much anymore, but apparently mircea can still smell the solvent, like a satisfied homeopathic patient
adlai: the ready solution being to drink more (of the right fluids), talk less (of the wasted-breath variety), and maybe not as much in mircea's direction.
adlai is not a teetotaler in most fields, despite the expulpated exhortations.
☟︎ adlai doesn't like publishing incomplete work, even if it's useful for cave divering archaeologists. asciilifeform might be the first to see a useful turd, if one should drop. until then, radio silence.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 12:06 trinque: beyond that, what kind of dishonest hanno shitbag would negrate you for an item you clearly picked up in the forest, and if he doesn't know you well enough to know what your work looks like, has no business rating you.
trinque: if you bring i.e. tinyscheme into a v-tree, is it not your cross to bear?
trinque: could always leave an expository comment in a file in your patch, but I don't know that it holds that "found item" is less the v-author's fault
trinque: there is the tulpa garden of horrors, and then there is the "everyone perpetually avoids blame" one
trinque: I understood it, but then we are after diminishing the standing of cows in the world
trinque: there is a risk in giving them any place at all
trinque: we're discussing what's currently in a v-tree, though
trinque: ultimately the surgeon does take full responsibility for the life of the patient, even when the patient is 99% likely to bleed out
trinque: and in those cases I don't think any sane person faults him when the patient dies
trinque: only if someone were blindly applying patches if sealed, and blindly respecting ratings without regard to real relationship, would there be a problem.
trinque: I don't dispute the need of the record
trinque: what comes to mind there is a long scroll within the project
trinque: which each vpatch must (by convention) update
trinque: room for as much rationale and backstory there as is required
trinque: conventions in society are just that; nothing protocolic prevents me from shitting on the floor
trinque: where is it enforced that WoT ratings mean what they do, other than in the minds of thinking men
trinque: and then when I shit, nobody seals my patch, and eventually I'm known as a floor shitter, and nobody regards my seal
trinque: example as it pertains to the history.txt ?
trinque: aside from rationale given in history.txt, an author is giving his patch "without reservation"
trinque: scope starts from the broadest possible assertion of "this is, so help me god" and only narrows if somebody says
trinque: which doesn't obligate anyone to accept their narrowing, either
trinque: reactor 99947 vaporized the king upon inspection. who's asking the engineer what his rationale was?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 13:52 adlai doesn't like publishing incomplete work, even if it's useful for cave divering archaeologists. asciilifeform might be the first to see a useful turd, if one should drop. until then, radio silence.
trinque: asciilifeform: seems the problem there has as much to do with the fact that a gentleman would have to dedicate a very large part of his life to making further, sweeping improvements to the trb codebase
trinque: as whether anyone wants to sign
trinque: what is concerning is importing the github open source mentality of "not own code, not my fault"
trinque: I have seen this in every company I worked for in earlier years. guy grabs some open source turd, then when it breaks he cries "not my fault! just found it!"
trinque: what will prevent perpetual notmycode-ism
jhvh1: thestringpuller: It's not just you. danielpbarron.com/ appears to be down.
trinque: ^ guy said something about migrating it
trinque: semi-relatedly, deedbot will be catching up on blocks for a bit this morning. I shut it down earlier to move old db files to a slower drive.
trinque: we also agree on the necessity of being able to make that statement
trinque: but as I see it, the statement was made adequately
thestringpuller: Curb Your Enthusiasm is back after a 6 year hiatus. Larry David says he was "busy with other stuff"
thestringpuller: ^- for the Seinfeld fans, but they probably already know. (I was happily surprised).
jurov: asciilifeform: will there ever be a "works as described, use in production" item in this vein?
jurov: anything NOT "marked as a mortally dangerous thing"
trinque: depends if you consider deedbot production use
☟︎ trinque: but it has worked rather well there
Framedragger: ...and so it is that tmsr uses elliptic curve crypto in its production :)
☟︎ Framedragger: i'm sorry but that's false equivalence. EC crypto is used in timestamping service which is used for actual business transactions. not as trivial as dead passive animal under house
Framedragger: (yes and for that reason V is an insanely useful and (i'm coming to realize) very important tool.)
Framedragger: a timestamped and signed wot (navigable via time axis) may be one of those few technical tools within wot management which may actually be helpful :)
trinque: ahaha, I was searching for it, got alf just now as first result
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 23:36 mircea_popescu: and for this reason ratings can't have to be signed - they can never be opposed to the maker.
mircea_popescu: this is the more recent ; there was one also illo tempore but w/e.
mircea_popescu: anyway. not that, nor this, leads to "you MUST have signed ratings"
mircea_popescu: and you also don't "must have signed gossipd lines", either. there was a mega discussion re that also on gossipd thread
mircea_popescu: your "easier" is entirely illusory. every time you try to use levers on a puddle of mud water, you get mud on face AND NAUGHT ELSE.
mircea_popescu: there isn't a mechanical process for levers and swamp water.
mircea_popescu: i understand that you see it stationary and imagine it's glass. it's not glass. it moves in response to your measures.
mircea_popescu: yes, swamps "can be filled", but i'm not ready to shoot you all yet.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 11:47 trinque: dutchies just wishing they were invited to the NSA, GHQ, BND party
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what some luser must be thinking to join "dutch secret services". it's like joining the new jersey tv station. dude what.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they can be so treated no matter what you do. any attemps you make to "make it impossible" simply break your tool.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you keep trying to design-for-ai. there's no need and no call for that ; moreover no practical way to ever do it. wot permitted me to ascertain enough information to eg behead that adlai schmuck most recently. there's no way "for you to explain how i reasoned to a machine", or even in general, and that doesn't hurt or stop me. moreover if there was such a way, then he'd simply act differently next time. and ther
mircea_popescu: yes but at a cost. and in places you're too used to paying that cost.
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem here is that there's no way to reason in the manner you expect to reason. IF anything about the wot process is opposable to anyone involved ; then the wot process becomes by that measure less useful. no change whatsoever appears in the swamp it's made to confront.
mircea_popescu: we can study contained examples if you wish, but the general principle is quite undisturbed.
a111: Logged on 2015-08-05 13:38 mircea_popescu: one is USE. specifically - hanbot must be able to put into work the theoretical advances b-a produces. and ima use her as a stand-in for "intelligent and willing to work, but not able to grow a beard".
mircea_popescu: i dunno how much of this is habit. consider for a second the case of the nickname dude, who is currently having a meltdown in my comment section on the apparent expectation that i somehow care what he said and i read the various comments as comming ~from the same one guy~. he actually thinks this ; actually expects me to allocate INDIVIDUALITY on the basis of anonymous. it's almost as if i were to wake up every morning and on
mircea_popescu: the basis of THAT decide i'm waking up in the same place.
mircea_popescu: were the girls in the school were asciilifeform went to when he was 12 ever engaged in that procedure where they call up one boy pretending they're $randomgirl who trulyloveshim for the sake of seeing wtf happens next day in school ?
mircea_popescu: womenz have identitty issues mkay ? it's not "future 50 years". it's been here forever ; will stay.
mircea_popescu: the wot works entirely unrelatedly to the person examined, that's the point.
mircea_popescu: underlined as such in the wot article too. that's the important point : wot works WITHOUT the person being examined.
mircea_popescu: i don't distinguish between eg adlai or nubbins ; i haven't allocated a handle ; they're just $dork, whatever.
mircea_popescu: to obtain a handle one must do specific things ; if they don't, they don't. i don't give out handles like candy because why would i.
mircea_popescu: to quote celentano, "i already met enough people this month"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so. do you know the names of all the women you fucked ?
mircea_popescu: i know names of women ; some of which i've not fucked ; but not on that basis.
Framedragger: (something tells me that mircea_popescu's latest example does not work amazingly well here)
mircea_popescu: argument is "keeping track of non-wot-ids is pointless, shouldn't be done"
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: names of women you fucked. i know the names and there aren't too many of 'em. and for some strange indefensible reason i think this applies to many folx here. but this is a tangent
mircea_popescu: Framedragger but the example shows ~shouldn't~ not ~doesn't~.
mircea_popescu: usg.starbucks doing its part to fight the "rapey mp coffee".
mircea_popescu: that's what it pretends to be ; what it is i nfact, at least to my eyes, is more of the same usg social-democracy.
mircea_popescu: if it actually were what it pretends, they'd be topless.
mircea_popescu: ~nobody wants their name on their tits ; a degree of magnitude more than that ~nobody want the blouse off the tits.
Framedragger: (in america, no-one is poor; some are millionaire entrepreneurs with current cashflow problems)
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 12:08 davout: "l'avenir appartient à ceux qui se lèvent tôt"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me recount a different story, if you will.
mircea_popescu acquired new $slavegirl. intelligent girl, very educable (i don't just mean in terms of training-for-slavery, a la BCT, i mean scholarily, with a native thirst for knowledge and a natural dedication to clean thinking) and altogether very pleasant. for historical reasons, unexperienced socially (twentysomething, second time she was in a bar, i took her there) and not particularily capable of talking to people.
mircea_popescu: so obviously her task at some point turned to... go out and talk to women. IN THE FUCKING STREET. she broke up in hives, she got gastritis, but my stick was firmer than the flesh and within a few short weeks retrospectively (that no doubt seemed endless then) acquired all the required skills, abilities and practices, and now can talk to random person on cue, with the best of the salesmen.
mircea_popescu: which she isn't, visibly, to me. and to her. and to no one else.
mircea_popescu: skills are skills. the expectation that one will go from craddle to grave without having to touch arbitrary class of skills "because i just don't go that way" is entirely hallucinant nonsense.
mircea_popescu: for the exact same reason classical antiquity couldn't have blind emperors ; we today can't delegate "the people stuff" to others. we also cant' delegate "the numbers stuff" to others. there's no mechanical way out of this.
mircea_popescu: yes, i'm aware palm calculators exist for a while now. they don't "fix math" for the blonde ditz.
mircea_popescu: in summa, this then is the covenant of the republic : that everything here exists to serve your needs ; and that you can't have needs that can't be.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:02 trinque: history.txt
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:06 asciilifeform: trinque: the real trouble comes when somebody shits and no one (including, often , the shitter) even notices until , years later, they step in it.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 19:29 mircea_popescu: are you familiar with the von neumann set ?
mircea_popescu: there is no good solution to this problem, but small codebases aka fit-in-head is a very strong paleative, and to my mind its chief merit comes from just this.
mircea_popescu: which is how you end up with an operating room : a neat place with few nooks and crannies where only surgeons (as opposed to mice ; cockroaches ; bacteria) are allowed access. as a result, no shit hiding in corners.
mircea_popescu: both because not that many corners, and not that many shitters.
mircea_popescu: there isn't a better approach to this. in particular "creating a semi-permeable membrane" is not one of them.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "Plus ca e o nesecata fantana de umor. De exemplu : Cum isi gaseste un inginer cheile de la masina ? Construieste o membrana semi-permeabila care ingaduie trecerea oricarui obiect dar impiedica trecerea cheilor de masina." eerily apt in this conversation.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 15:47 mircea_popescu: there isn't a better approach to this. in particular "creating a semi-permeable membrane" is not one of them.
mircea_popescu: but it was not sterilized by straining through semi-permeable membrane.
mircea_popescu: that's kept sterile via airflow, which is to say, the continual negrating of random idiots who don't evidently have no business there. and such things.
mircea_popescu: the continual ejection of lines of code which "Who knows, maybe they're useful"
mircea_popescu: THAT is a process that works ; an imaginary strainer is fap fodder.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:07 asciilifeform: docs diverge from code routinely, and it is far from always the case that someone notices and corrects immediately.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 15:41 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607087 << this is actually not half-bad an idea, and it goes nicely in the direction of phf 's literate code, which i still think should be a distant, but present goal.
mircea_popescu: which will be an awesome gain about on par with going from shovel to hydraulic autolocomotive tools.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:11 trinque: reactor 99947 vaporized the king upon inspection. who's asking the engineer what his rationale was?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's true that once women started shaving it "never stopped" and adult vulvas look preteen these days. there's even some eyebrow shaving and repainting. but nobody;s shaved off their eyelashes yet ; on the contrary, those are fetishized and at expense elongated, painted etc.
mircea_popescu: somehow that hair doesn't bother. but anyway. you find yourself with each foot in a different rowboat, because on one hand you don;t want everything to be high quality code ; and on the other you think shitty quality code normalizes it and begets more of the same.
mircea_popescu: how do you know it's NOT good to have everything be made out of granite ?
mircea_popescu: since all code is code ; unlike how all materials are different atoms ; it may then perhaps follow that if you're going to code at all, best make it good.
mircea_popescu: original thread was vague and ramified. i don't see what more you need than alf-fucks-goats key ; and the bugaboo of "but mp, then everyone can make random keys i won't know about" seems more like a childhood nightmare than anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ben_vulpes and davout are evidently struggling with the trb ; so was mod6 before we fucked up his week with v stuff ; diana_coman is purging idiocy out of eulora and so on. plenty of people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no argument there. not like it is VERBOTEN to structure the identities in a treee etc.
mircea_popescu: the whole problem is that it's not possible to make it mandatory.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 16:21 asciilifeform: it is partly the long-term 'ecological' perspective on this practice, that bothers me; but also that pretending to be multiple people, while being one, is a fundamentally dishonest and truth-hiding act.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it's an age-based thing. younguns tend to try it out because thye need to because they suck ; as they stop sucking they stop needing to and adult identity is born. nothing wrong with any part of this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but also not necessarily your concern.
mircea_popescu: most crimes actually contain their punishment. greek style.
mircea_popescu: romanian (at least before it was invaded and colonized by nato) culture has no concept of tort. the universal opposition to any attempt to pass the responsibility buck is "si daca-ti spunea sa sari in fintina, tu sareai ?" ie, and if he told you to jump down the well, would you have ?
mircea_popescu: this is introduced at the latest to 7yos, and it's how it is, permanently.
mircea_popescu: i care about romania today in the sense you might care about the hittite empire. it sunk.
mircea_popescu: nope. there's an official scale kept by market administration in all markets
mircea_popescu: you may also file a complaint if the weighs don't match ; if they pile on the offender won't be able to hire a stall there. that's about it.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone cares about a kg of produce enough these days.
mircea_popescu: suppose you find your girl in bed with another oh nm that. suppose you send girl to market, she comes back defrauded. who do you punish, her or him ?
mircea_popescu: thief is, as our russki friend points out, only out to do crime to us for goods he could get other place.
mircea_popescu: if we're the target rather than other place it's time to slim down the org.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: even so. as any half competent mobster can tell you, by the time you're targeted for theft your organsiation's been utter shit for a while.
mircea_popescu: you're misusing terms, that's definitionally not theft.
mircea_popescu: and yes, the answer to "random hootrat" "targeted, planned, premeditating theft of $item" is to take another $item, cut hoodrat's mother's head off and stuff $item in there.
mircea_popescu: there's a strict difference between robber (who robs all comers) and invader (who robs you only).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's also how you end up with merchant empires.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the "from the sewers" spain discussion. yes, as desirable as ebola virus. keeps the
mircea_popescu: which one, the one where hanbot says "anyone who could be bothered to use the wot would have known what pirate is up to ; yet none of you fucksticks did, and fuck you, now you wanna dork about the wot not working ?" ?
mircea_popescu: the information is there. daring to not use it is a crime worse than any fraud.
mircea_popescu: the pretense that "oh, i don't need the republic" or "oh, i use the tools at my leisure" or generally "oh, i'm an independent thinker in charge of my destiny" is what gets shot.
mircea_popescu: so no, there's no sympathy for "victims". don't be a victim. if you are a victim, either fix yourself or kill yourself.
mircea_popescu: who next do i hang, whores ? for taking from fools money for that which they'd have free if they weren't fools ?
mircea_popescu: wives next, yes, because totally, if whores hang the wives hang with them.
mircea_popescu: wait, you mean pirate the bitcoin dork or pirate the historical element ?
mircea_popescu: and in the former case : because I KNOW he's a scammer.
mircea_popescu: i didn't order a hit on his fucking house, mind. this isn't because i can't have random residence firebombed.
mircea_popescu: yes, but this doesn't mean we suddenly not know they're scammers.
mircea_popescu: i'm an oracle, if you wish. people can ask me questions and get answers, which conform to a specified model ; and STAY conformant in the future.
mircea_popescu: this is a kind of service. scammer does another kind of service.
mircea_popescu: the only hostis humani generis are the anonymous usg tools. the gavin-koch-weimer-boeck-younameit.
mircea_popescu: those who would deny their identity, chiefly to themselves, those who'd take what that simon fellow calls "the bargain" for "civilisation". those are the enemy.
mircea_popescu: whore, scammer, confused ditz, they may get in your way - but they aren't the enemy.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 02:31 asciilifeform: shiva(tinyscheme) is not a wife, it is a cow. it is quite possible to have a house without a cow. if you do have a cow, it lives in separate structure, and nobody will need to be reminded that it is not a wife.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Single building with house area and barn area and shared air circulation between the 2. Was all the rage in Wisconsin and Minnesota because Krauts are dirty savages.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Variation with masonry foundation
trinque: she has no pretensions to being other than tits
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 04:49 adlai was gonna update on 'homework' but complies with sir's request
mircea_popescu: really, schmuck is going to foist deals on me ? in what parallel fucking universe.
trinque: asciilifeform ever work in an office with an attractive couple of office assistants or whatever?
trinque: they never actually do anything but be there female
mircea_popescu: yes, but you're also not the end all be all of dealing with idiots. the implication, evident as it may be, being that i'm his mommy and i should care about his welfare and his choice to lead with the wrong fucking thing is somehow my problem and oh aren't we all sorry that we're missing out on adlai not being dogfood.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i could make ten of him and i wouldn't even need women to help me.
thestringpuller: trinque: most of those women end up getting pregnant and get 6 months to play mommy while getting paid.
mircea_popescu: unless you're looking to take over from them and do it in 5.5 months, what'd you expect happens.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 17:00 mircea_popescu: yes, but you're also not the end all be all of dealing with idiots. the implication, evident as it may be, being that i'm his mommy and i should care about his welfare and his choice to lead with the wrong fucking thing is somehow my problem and oh aren't we all sorry that we're missing out on adlai not being dogfood.
mircea_popescu: it's a shitty thing to try and sell. at least whore sells her cunt, which is pleasant. scammer sells some knowledge. it's something, not much but present.
mircea_popescu: this schmuck is literally going around trying to sell "i'm not going to hurt myself" to randos.
mircea_popescu does literally think very little of the two actual humans invovled in the production of this particular greasespot. i think there's little more shameful than having parented an adlai.
mircea_popescu: and i do mean that, the weirdo serbian dudes keeping rape hotels during the war were relatively preferable.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 13:49 adlai is not a teetotaler in most fields, despite the expulpated exhortations.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607129 << this is unrelated to the discussion ; but since it's brought up this is also not possible. you can't obtain a way to re-create "rousseau's social contract" ie, agreement without the nod. that's heathendom pure and simple ; until and unless i nodded on your fucking law-tax-whatever it ain't got teeth. i don't care what you agreed with whom.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:21 asciilifeform: all i ask is that said act not require a collective head nod.
mircea_popescu: and there's no "by scratching your ass you thereby agree to..." bullshit either.
mircea_popescu: there's a very marked difference between "to signify your agreement do x" and "anyone doing x is signifiying their agreement to blabla". this outrageous confusion between the sign and the significant itself is enough to make idiots of all the fiat statists.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:38 trinque: depends if you consider deedbot production use
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:40 Framedragger: ...and so it is that tmsr uses elliptic curve crypto in its production :)
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:46 asciilifeform: Framedragger: understand, i would like to live to see the day when we use NOTHING at all that is not from the wot.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:46 asciilifeform: but until then , need tools that let folx take MEANINGFUL responsibility, rather than volunteering at every turn to hang for things that they NEVER TOOK PART IN
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:51 asciilifeform: (and i will also note, mircea_popescu's method puts serious mechanical stress on a part of tmsr that is at present time not well-developed -- navigation of elaborate, deep, and TIME-VARIANT relationships between wot inhabitants)
mircea_popescu: that's kinda where all this is going as far as i can see.
mircea_popescu: the moment has not yet exactly come, but it isn't long in the future, where random noob's best bet isn't to join here and start yakking away, but instead join some lord's castle, prove himself there, gain an ally, and then, in due time, be introduced here by that lord. if need be and circumstances merit.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 17:24 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607129 << this is unrelated to the discussion ; but since it's brought up this is also not possible. you can't obtain a way to re-create "rousseau's social contract" ie, agreement without the nod. that's heathendom pure and simple ; until and unless i nodded on your fucking law-tax-whatever it ain't got teeth. i don't care what you agreed with whom.
mircea_popescu: i suspect as the basis grows there's going to be a lot more such cross-verification.
mircea_popescu: there's apparently never going to be another c++ compiler.
mircea_popescu: not entirely impossible that an i-gcc emerges eventually in the manner of i-b ; but i wouldn't hold breath
mircea_popescu: anyway, before there's what to bake on that cd, we gotta resolve the "tmsr package".
mircea_popescu: prolly should be explicit. emacs 24 with what pile of scripts macros etc ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not sure that's such a healthy thing.
mircea_popescu: it'd be saner to have a common trunk which people change than to have to reinvent the wheel each trime a new person fires up a new emacs.
mircea_popescu: this is not exactly true, i'm booting 3.x on all sorts of late 1990s things
mircea_popescu: this isn't so much a problem, as hardware also has no future.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-06 13:28 mircea_popescu: like what ? something like amd fx 9500 is, i bet, way ahead anything apple ever put in anything they made.
mircea_popescu: ie, it'll never be the case that it makes sense to get newer. let alone that you'd want to.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform /me is building a new palace, bought out all the things!!11
mircea_popescu: kinda iffy thing. i have boards still going that i bought in 2002.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 18:03 mircea_popescu: i'm satisfied that if one keeps the named hardware (
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597436 convo) or their preferred equivalents that one will have no serious problems for the foreseable future.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think it ever was 50% cpu no. but yes continuously.
mircea_popescu: im not even sure what factor is worst for them. i think being powercycled worse than continuous use for one ; time probably worse than cpu utilization, unless poorly cooled. etc
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you have to power it down to replace filters wtf.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (at one point amex co. flooded the market with surplus, and they were 'cheap enough to throw out', and then suddenly worth weight in gold) << it's entirely what the trader lives off.
mircea_popescu: speak, ye of little resources, thinking self programmers and thinking men, who couldn't even save a few lisp machines.
ben_vulpes: phf: may i have a copy of your log backups?
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, apparently the us is preparing to noriega nieto
Framedragger: phf: if at it, may i have a copy of your logs too, please? :)
mircea_popescu: eh, they spent 20 years pumping up the executive order
ben_vulpes: and i do not see this "trump vs republicans" thing. he saved the party, the old cripples are on their way out and he'll be either vice president in 8 years or speaker of the house.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yeah does matter quite a bit how great the great again is
ben_vulpes: full employment is very cheap compared to bank bailouts though.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's not even that gop split up under trump shock. much worse than that : the non-trump faction took a hard look around, discovered it doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: the mccain adlaing in the senate is entirely without teeth.
ben_vulpes: "wake up babe army, the wall is not a racist thing. it's the largest works program since the new deal."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but those folks are weaker than a website. 20 man firms ; and those "men" are too afraid to grab an ass in the elevator.
ben_vulpes: "do kindly look to your history books and see how the last enormous welfare program worked out for its sponsors"
mircea_popescu: butr yes, it's always better to put the poor to work than to stroke the illusions of the rich.
mircea_popescu: anyway, let's just say that the notion that the "blue chips" are worth anything just took a serious bath.
ben_vulpes: blue collar whites want to set rebar and pour concrete while the minority groups they think themselves above mow their lawn.
mircea_popescu: the companies worth money in the future are not these.
mircea_popescu: no apple, no google. it's gonna be trump's consturction co, bannon's whatever sidescam he makes, that sort of thing.
ben_vulpes: "but why don't we spend the wall money on fixing our infrastructure?" "were you even /listening/ during the campaign? it's not an exclusive thing, he's doing both."
ben_vulpes: "where will the money come from?" "just borrow more, couldn't be easier."
ben_vulpes: it's a full-employment program, the money is definitionally wasted.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: come off it, there are myriad small casting shops here.
ben_vulpes: where small can be anything from 20 to 500 staff.
ben_vulpes: this repositing every single thing that happens as a direct result of the great inca in america is downright tiring. inca gives zero shits about this corner of its empire, leaves us to fend for ourselves.
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's a bunch of moneys for the us to build nuclear reactors and oil pipeline process ; to lay train track ; some to do dumb shit like walls with mexico, hospitals, etcetera. exactly none to continue with the present "derechos" bullshit.
ben_vulpes: imperial regional offices are: intel, precision cast parts, flir and the roboflugen boeing division up the valley.
mircea_popescu: so politico being what he is, he'll do what he can. and the bureaucracy being what it is, ie a spending machine, will sit its ass on its own mouth and adapt.
mircea_popescu: should be fun to watch the leftys get caught on wrong side of history / fingers in door, but whatevers. who cares about some dumb shits anyway.
ben_vulpes: the performance-art-masquerading-as-commentary is growing shriller and less amusing by the day.
ben_vulpes: from 3 chuckles in a 3-hour rotation of minorities down to barely 1 by accounts.
trinque: are we doing the "no but really some places on the continent build things" thread again?
ben_vulpes: but yes, look to the overpaid and highly visible imperial offices and not to the sheep farmers on lopez.
ben_vulpes: dunno about 'make', but some places cast al, fe, weld racks to rigs. saw it, drank with the people involved, don't know what you want.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: capital wielders under inca are interesting?
trinque: hell my truck came from a factory in san antonio
mircea_popescu: any way you turn it, it's not been long enough. us could get any item fabrication thing going tomorrow, and be good at it by 2020. the oinly thing keepign this from happening atm is the faint pretenses of kiddos who think they get to have a say in their future activity and the misguided notions of old people that somehow china eating that and the us being left to make money out of doing each other's laundry is a practicable a
mircea_popescu: the latter got beaten to shit ; and the former isn't worth the farts it's spoken with.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nobody here is laboring under the illusion that any money is to be made. there are social media twits, and a small group of people trading fermented trash around.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes takes all of five minutes for money to be made. it's just a matter of how you structure things.
mircea_popescu: trump can ban all imports into the country, tomorrow. and he can stick to it, permanently.
mircea_popescu: watch how there'll suddenly be money to be made once the shock troopers are done scraping the last "university student" off the sidewalk.
ben_vulpes: i'm not holding my breath for anyone associated with the government to fix shit.
ben_vulpes: yeah what fucking missing, there's shittons.
trinque: dude north america has *vast* oil reserves
trinque: what the fuck imaginary world is this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and if it WERE a problem, make iraq 51st state, shoot everyone who refuses to attend sunday mass.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: there are a zillion fracking taps the saudis 'tricked us' into putting in.
mircea_popescu: random 20yo piucked off the street thinks it's his option as to whether he works oil rig or not.
mircea_popescu: once chitlin get to look into the face of their own irrelevance, things get going in a jiffy.
ben_vulpes: put ten through get one out. almost as good for the body politic as war proper.
trinque: asciilifeform: the prospectors ~know
trinque: why do you think the EPA is being gutted as we speak?
ben_vulpes: epa was doing fuck all in the first place.
trinque: I don't like the insane asylum in dc any more than anyone else
ben_vulpes: stood by while the water table was ruind.
mircea_popescu: not so ; providing jobs for the new york times staff bfs.
trinque: this changes 0 in regards to what is beneath the soil
trinque: ben_vulpes: for pennsylvanians and whatnot
ben_vulpes: gonna hear the same wail in re the fda as well, with the same response. "they fed us meth under doctors orders. kill them all."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform get out of here. everyone has ; and nothing easier.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. they did it because they were derps.
ben_vulpes: trinque: yeah actually that's a good one to roast liberals with.
ben_vulpes: "oh i see why you don't like the epa, they fucked up the white pennsylvanian red state people you hate so much. so it's cool that penn no longer has potable water, because they're vile trumpers, right?"
ben_vulpes: er "why you don't like the epa gutting"
trinque: I cannot see the error in that logic.
mircea_popescu: what i said was, "make iraq 51st state, shoot everyone who refuses to attend sunday mass."
mircea_popescu: and i mean it literally. either you're in the church or in the morgue.
mircea_popescu: i think you deeply misrepresent just how easy sanity is.
mircea_popescu: this wouldn't be a civilisation comeback. on the contrary, it would be controlled civilisation demolishing. in preference of the inevitable alternative.
mircea_popescu: recall, the case of "comeback" that happened in your lifetime ?
mircea_popescu: similarily, left state, purged the apparatus, came back out right ?
ben_vulpes: comeback necessarily would have to entail sane monetary structure, which is even less likely than gutting the department of labor.
ben_vulpes: great again full employment + ubi == currency rot
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you don't want a strong currency while industrializing.
mircea_popescu: strong currency is counterproductive before the folks even have what to save.
ben_vulpes: this may be so, but getting the dollar back to 1000/btc is going to be harder with every rod of rebar.
mircea_popescu: the dollar is never again going to be anywhere near 1k / btc. that's cut and dried.
a111: Logged on 2016-03-30 22:56 mircea_popescu: russia exists out of the tolerance to poverty of its women and the rich subsoil. not much call for the latter in the much slower economy of the future. so rather than buying bonds...
mircea_popescu: the us itself opted for it ; in preference of 4/8 years of increasingly tenous pretense to the contrary by some pantsuited clown.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't worry about it -- they had it two generations ago, and will get it again
☟︎ ben_vulpes: yeah kind of what i'm saying. the currency degradation is utterly irreversible, and that's the us' death sentence, no matter how great again the temporary may feel.
mircea_popescu: the louder if useless city kids don't have it, but what they have or don't have is irrelevant - anyone with a social media profile is dead as of last week
ben_vulpes: gimme that good debt, right to this clean vein.
mircea_popescu: they don't know it yet, but they're as dead as polish jews.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's not clear. maybe it finds itself a nation at the bottom of it.
mircea_popescu: evidently not everyone in there is good time sally-ing it throughout.
ben_vulpes: ferment your trash, fix your neighbors toilets, pray you can get through the long walk in the desert with friends.
trinque: I really don't give a fuck if the outer husk becomes a nation
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 20:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't worry about it -- they had it two generations ago, and will get it again
trinque: but there's a kernel in there
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, the idiot kids over at github aren't either civilisation or america
mircea_popescu: the ideology is still there, just as recoverable today as it was in lincoln's day.
ben_vulpes: trinque: that project could kick off quite the conflict if it threatens the value of paper gold significantly.
ben_vulpes: then the gamble becomes "can tejas out-shoost the feds"
trinque: I don't think most of the continent wants to shoost tejas
ben_vulpes: trinque: recall "the most important part is being wrong together" from the manning piece?
mircea_popescu: moreover california losing about 10mn pop would be great for the planet
ben_vulpes: the oathkeepers are a notorious joke, and nobody's going to stand up to a commanding officer to defend the good people of texas, no matter how little the ordered disliked texans the day before.
trinque: same for anyone whose family moved to new england in the last 50 years
trinque: ben_vulpes: not how it would work at all
trinque: texas would wrap adjoining states in monetary tentacles over time
mircea_popescu: trinque should be interesting, esp seeing how the canabis state laws thing made it quite precedented.
trinque: liberal potheads save the day again
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i think you deeply misrepresent the rural folk.
mircea_popescu: i guarantee you eg mod6 would stand with me / bring rifle from home. he's not alone i nthe us. you are.
trinque: ~my girlfriend~ would hand me clips
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all nation building starts with killing the croat males and taking the females to the breeding pits.
trinque: I know right? it'd wreck vital structures in one's self-representation
mircea_popescu: this is what a nation is. laugh if you will, but it won't do anything.
mircea_popescu: and the alternative here, ie, "federation", as in weimar republic exacrtly is strictly non workable because endothermic. and there's no heat to be had. not no mo.
trinque: maybe that passed too quietly; the whole middle of the country can shoot, including the women
mircea_popescu: if they shoot clinton now it'd not be in time either. in time for what.
trinque: asciilifeform: I would say my view of former USSR is as cartoonish as your present view of certain parts of north america you apparently haven't spent time in
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: misrepresent rural folks working in us mil?
mircea_popescu: there isn't going to be a "us mil" if things fall apart. there wasn't a soviet one either.
trinque: thinking otherwise is *their* "they would never" propaganda
ben_vulpes: you're conflating "things fall apart" with "texas threatens goldman sachs' control of paper gold price"
mircea_popescu: if the negotiations can't proceed, the thing fell apart.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in re china embargo, that'd be a tidy provocation for cn to demonstrate how easily the us fleet is shredded.
trinque: the parts that ship their groceries in, sure.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 16:34 mircea_popescu: if we're the target rather than other place it's time to slim down the org.
trinque: asciilifeform: heh I've got plenty of that too!
mircea_popescu: they'll just use the opportunity to shoot some of their own idiots and clamp down.
trinque: some people made out great in '45. it all depends
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform absolutely not. it's immensely morep roductive to produce than to raid.
ben_vulpes: here's the spectre of atomized americans again.
trinque: I was referring to the state
trinque: whole port of houston is outfitted to refine and ship
trinque: that's not going away if I start speaking spanish in 30yrs
ben_vulpes: don't bury a container of xyz much less tell anyone about it. be indispensable to the people who feed you.
ben_vulpes: "yeah who knows he probably has a container of servers on his land somewhere, but he also keeps the entire region connected to the bitcoin net so anyone who fucks with him fucks with the whole valley"
trinque: comparing houston to anywhere in iraq is insane
trinque: moreover anyone who would want to take houston and destroyed it is an ~idiot~
mircea_popescu: nor has it anything to do with civilisation in any sense.
mircea_popescu: civilisation isn't when the blind can drive and the deaf can hear.
mircea_popescu: cunt, inviting and self-lubricating, concentrated in cramped boring spaces is easier to fuck than anything
mircea_popescu: the burning of ub is significant culturally. they won't rebuild it because TO THEM those aren't just some shitty yurts.
mircea_popescu: "big whoop, could have reconstructed in half a summer"
trinque: I spent 5 years in total in Portland, in two tours.
trinque: there's a reason I moved home, and why Portland ~never~ became home.
trinque: the government will go; there will be people here still that are people
trinque: there will however be a lot of californians to deport
mircea_popescu: seattle is microsoft, but texas is roughly speaking all of new england
ben_vulpes: galois corp doesn't have enough butts on staff to have a good chunk of anything outsourced to it
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Awe, I thought by "community health" they were going to unveil WikiBamaCare!
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 22:42 asciilifeform: 'There is a carry propagating bug in the x86_64 Montgomery squaring procedure. No EC algorithms are affected. Analysis suggests that attacks against RSA and DSA as a result of this defect would be very difficult to perform and are not believed likely. Attacks against DH are considered just feasible (although very difficult) because...
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 23:08 asciilifeform: entirely unrelatedly to recent threads: anybody here ever experiment with 'toslink' ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 23:15 asciilifeform: who refused -- i presume -- Had Problems.