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shinohai would love if some clever haxor made this happen https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8XdC1tUQAANzgC.jpg
asciilifeform: in other lulz, for everyone who 'enjoyed' shitoshi's 'varints' -- the retardation apparently is endemic, and even has named!!111 'standards' complete with shitlang demo suites: http://msgpack.org
asciilifeform: with 'testimonials', even.
asciilifeform: one for ben_vulpes's zoo.
trinque: sure, "protobuf" also
trinque: wicked space savings, bro.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635691 << it's funny that they can do the whole "this is investigated AS AN X" thing and yet STILL split it in their head so that "justice" and "law" work as anything but "the top criminal in our criminal organization said so."☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-01 23:21 asciilifeform: in other lulzies, https://archive.is/BQ2cK >> 'University Police conducted a search of the building, which yielded no additional posters ... The situation is being investigated as a hate bias incident, she added, encouraging anyone with more information to contact University Police.'
mircea_popescu: "along with images of European sculptures of white men." << welcome to the empire of ignoramuses.
mircea_popescu: i suppose one shouldn't ask what color scipio had anywhere near a marble bust of same amirite.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck can the idiots put up with themselves ?
mircea_popescu: !!gettrust nacci
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635711 << i can't imagine the babe-iosis splittage escaped notice ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-01 23:35 ben_vulpes: ixodes pacificus may someday be a carrier for babiosis
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635722 << redis pinterest and some unheard of items ? sounds legit!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 01:28 asciilifeform: in other lulz, for everyone who 'enjoyed' shitoshi's 'varints' -- the retardation apparently is endemic, and even has named!!111 'standards' complete with shitlang demo suites: http://msgpack.org
shinohai wonders if mircea_popescu broke the CompanionCube with that Trilema article .....
CompanionCube is busy with other things at the moment
asciilifeform: reading about mircea_popescu going to a recycledfood 'restaurant' was mindmelting
mircea_popescu: shinohai i had some follow-ups for his benefit, such as you know, "why quora is a piece of shit" http://trilema.com/2017/global-warming-on-triton/#footnote_0_71308 and other "basic combinatorics or why $nobody can't possibly have ideas / be taken seriously."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im promiscuous.
shinohai: My last log message was http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-01#1635587 until just now. I like observing the transformation of thought that occurs when one reads these things,☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-01 20:27 CompanionCube reads
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'comp has no business being anything other than large fpga' and 'swamp of nic drivers that have 0 legit reason to exist' are elementarily plagiarized from us
mircea_popescu: im not even discussing the substance of his claim. so far we're at the pre-hearing arguments where he learns how to make a cogent statement in the first place.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, my mom told me i was born with the god-given ability to make cogent arguments" "that;s probably why she fucks drunks, too."
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2015/prophylaxis/#selection-439.138-443.88 << see also
asciilifeform: 'Sort-of like the colonial Europeans' expectation that someone firing a weapon necessarily speaks French, or Spanish, or English, or some sort of civilised language. Because otherwise... where did they get the human weapon! Goblins don't craft weapons. '
shinohai: ./vdiff trilemalogs blinklight.io
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F553DF84D46E34522C81353046830CB7A2C17C4333D3CC6EE817AAB551D2A73E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1700...5253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.96.147.6 (ssh-rsa key from 87.96.147.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (msa1upp01.magasin1.se. SE C)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F553DF84D46E34522C81353046830CB7A2C17C4333D3CC6EE817AAB551D2A73E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1627...6559 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.96.147.6 (ssh-rsa key from 87.96.147.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (msa1upp01.magasin1.se. SE C)
mircea_popescu: lmao 310 + 310 digit factors. this'd be a 2kb key i gather ?
asciilifeform: 2048 aha
asciilifeform: we have megatonne of those
mircea_popescu: kinda nice when it just gives away the whole key like that.
asciilifeform: pretty much whole past yr of phuctorings 'give away whole key'
mircea_popescu vaguely recalls some "pirate party" associated dorks producing lame "oh, can't factor a key anyway" verbiage cca 2015
asciilifeform: in these sense of, yes, you can take the thing and trivially piss out a usable key
asciilifeform: i've contemplated adding, e.g., 'download as pgp key', 'download as ssh key', etc buttons
mircea_popescu: to think that, much like "tor", those passed for the "forefront of internets" at some point, a decade prior.
asciilifeform: but why feed the lazy.
asciilifeform: speaking of which, at some point we oughta snarf tor 'onion' etc keyz
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so they can make .io websites under dorky pseudonyms and expect medium tards to pick them up ?
asciilifeform: yea well phuctor imho exists so that they can be raped raw, not 'helped'
asciilifeform: public... disservice, if you will.
mircea_popescu: the big secret re rape is that it's a happy occasion. the fundamental state is two bored people watching tv, too lazy for even the copacetic nonsense they call proper. let alone any kind of rape.
mircea_popescu: the only adequate epitaph on the tombstones of well over 90% of "civilised world" females the past few centuries is "here lies jane, whom nobody could suymmon the interest to ever rape."
asciilifeform: ( the other reason, ftr, why phuctor, is that there exists solely ONE method to determine if your key generator produces phuctorables... )
mircea_popescu: and the trump news totally dried out ;/ nothing but rehashed butthurt and libertard wishful thinking.
shinohai: The Trumpreich lives on!
asciilifeform: last i heard -- 3rd (?) consecutive 'judge' refused to un-cancel the revised immigration reform thing
mircea_popescu: last i heard, idiot argentine "dreamer" was detained and deported.
mircea_popescu: they should have shot her, ideally, but whatevs.
asciilifeform: lol!! deported to where?
mircea_popescu: argentina.
asciilifeform: ooh
asciilifeform: for some reason i immediately thought 'kirschner'
mircea_popescu: which is kinda the point here. yes, if you read the libertard fake news they're like all victorious and shit, hillary is practically president.
mircea_popescu: irl...
asciilifeform has deeply nfi what goes on 'irl' outside of own desk nao.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu convinced me -- 0 way to learn it from reading the beobachter.
trinque: hell obama might go down as nixon 2.0 at this point.
mircea_popescu: in general, the pretense that anything in the us can limit the presidential administration was all but abandoned with bush
mircea_popescu: that was 20 years ago.
asciilifeform: 'In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot.'
asciilifeform: (tm)(r)(mr.o)
mircea_popescu: just about.
mircea_popescu: dude got the government into torture. outside of that... really, what else, what more ? once that's on the table everything else's peanuts.
mircea_popescu: and it is peanuts.
asciilifeform: trinque: gotta love the 'we bugged him ACCIDENTALLY, and if not, it was because ru stooge and stfu terrorist'
mircea_popescu: heh
trinque: rotating dictatorship can be perilous for previous dictators
asciilifeform: rumour has it -- obummer is hanging out on some pedo island, in caribbean
mircea_popescu: pizza island ?
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: http://archive.is/ZEJ1G >> 'Former President Barack Obama is planning an extended stay in the South Pacific as he begins to write his memoir...' etc
asciilifeform: 'The bidding war over the rights to the books had reportedly soared above $60 million...'
asciilifeform: but, more entertaining, from same rag: 'The Russian Foreign Ministry addressed election interference allegations as an April Fools' Day joke on Saturday. The ministry said on its Facebook page that it had set up an automated telephone switchboard for embassies, offering in a fake voicemail the services of "hackers" and "election interference."'
asciilifeform: '"You have reached the Russian embassy, your call is very important to us. To arrange a call from a Russian diplomat to your political opponent, press 1," the recording begins, in Russian and English. "To use the services of Russian hackers, press 2...'
asciilifeform: ( ^ http://archive.is/jtjeR )
phf: there's a handful of american "restaurants" i've never been to, applebees is one of them. but the list is getting smaller with time, recently i got to experience "cracker barrel"
phf: as far i understand they are all essentially the same, in that they don't actually serve food.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's description -- fits
trinque: prolly same phood distributor behind all
asciilifeform: they all serve 'mcchicken' or similar; 'ice cream' that is 80% hcfc by mass; hcfc syrop drink; etc
asciilifeform: *hfcs
trinque: iirc "US Foods" is pretty common.
trinque: like it could be called anything else.
asciilifeform: 'sysco' -- major supplier in east usa
trinque: ah yeah that's another
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'sysco' -- major supplier in east usa << Sysco, Carlisle, etc
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1ECFE7DD93B0147398FBA2C8ABFD597BF2319714F2AB01EA6961CA30EB4C340A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1402...2177 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.128.66.253 (ssh-rsa key from 200.128.66.253 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown BR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1ECFE7DD93B0147398FBA2C8ABFD597BF2319714F2AB01EA6961CA30EB4C340A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1587...2707 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.128.66.253 (ssh-rsa key from 200.128.66.253 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown BR)
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/Q1/Birdman.asc
deedbot: accepted: 1
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/Q1/danielpbarron.asc
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/Q1/diana_coman.asc
danielpbarron: heh
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/Q1/hanbot.asc
lobbes: and.. last one
deedbot: deeds online
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/Q1/mircea_popescu.asc
deedbot: accepted: 1
deedbot: accepted: 1
deedbot: accepted: 1
lobbes: !!rate trinque 2 deedbot
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Fklbq/?raw=true
lobbes: !!v B4A2A76A8AE99F34AC6E063962EE30F5C717435D9A2411B45BEEDA971ACA875A
deedbot: lobbes updated rating of trinque from 1 to 2 << deedbot
lobbes: danielpbarron, I'm thinkin' that even monthly billing for the thing is too frequent due to the small sums involved. Gonna just do it on a quarterly cycle
lobbes: hell, I'll probably just pay my Republican taxes with the first bitcent-bundles I collect
danielpbarron: neato, I opt for the copper payment method. i'm usually in town these days
lobbes: nice. I'll try and find ya tomorrow. I really got to set up my old craptop to just be connected to Eulora 24/7. Currently gotta boot into my winbloze side to get the game working -_-
lobbes: time for me to learn to gentoo already
lobbes: for some reason couldn't get it working with Debian, but probably something I fucked somewhere. meh
danielpbarron: learning how to gentoo is like learning how to linux 10 years ago, which fortunately I did then. Not much has changed except that all the other distros went for more automation which seems to have rendered them pointless for what linux was supposed to be about in the first place
diana_coman: lobbes, I'll gladly pay for the auction services in Eulora; Foxy's currently in a days-long craft so will have to wait for that to finish first though
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635803 << sysco whitelabels, basically.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 03:13 phf: as far i understand they are all essentially the same, in that they don't actually serve food.
mircea_popescu: or as tringue says, usfoods
mircea_popescu: (top keks : sysco tried to buy us foods (2nd in the field) a few years ago, it came out the merger'd have controlled 75% of the us food supply)
mircea_popescu: lobbes you ever got in game yet ? till trinque 's payment thing is live that's the only way
mircea_popescu: !!up saifedean
deedbot: saifedean voiced for 30 minutes.
saifedean: good day, gentlemen
mircea_popescu: early sunday morning more like it
saifedean: more like a late sunday morning, with a baby!
saifedean: I come bringing good tidings
saifedean: I'm writing a book explaining the concept of sound money to normies and how bitcoin will restore it
saifedean: I'm near completing it
mircea_popescu: got a contract and everything ?
saifedean: no, but I wouldn't want that before it's done.Have a few connections to publishers and will ship it off to them when done
mircea_popescu: not to piss on your parade, but how did you go from "unsolicited manuscript" to "good tidings" ?
saifedean: And even without it, I'm happy to self-publish
saifedean: well, not to blow my book's horn, but this isn't some waiter's novel written out between shifts. I've put a ton of good work into it
saifedean: I'm sure you agree it's about time someone wrote something about bitcoin beyond the 'muh cheap latte processing fees'
saifedean: (also, I've got a good few names happy to blurb it and hawk it to publishers)
diana_coman: !!s saifedean
saifedean: If any of you good folk would like to get a sneak peak at the first draft, I'd appreciate the feedback
diana_coman: saifedean WHAT makes you an expert on the topic?
saifedean: I guess you'll have to read it and judge for yourself. In any case the topic isn't bitcoin per se, it's mostly about sound money, and how bitcoin is the digital solution to this perplexing age old problem that has fucked humanity eternally
diana_coman: that's a very poor answer; people's time is a scarce resource
saifedean: it's a good answer when you consider that I have the bullshit mainstream credentials most cattle imagine would qualify one to opine on this topic, and that I did not mention that to answer your question because I know cattle credentials don't mean shit.
diana_coman: in other unrelated or possibly related happenings, my 4 year old got a book about the iss (int'l space station); he got quite obsessed with it for a week so now he knows it inside out; this morning he came with a construction made out of lego pieces and informs me: THIS is IIISSSIII!
diana_coman: saifedean do you have the work and results that mean something? if yes - link; if no, no
saifedean: I've written two related papers: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2832751
saifedean: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2832769
diana_coman goes to check those out
saifedean: and I'm happy to send you the work in progress first draft, but don't want to publish online yet
diana_coman: might mention that I was a post-doc at some point in life
saifedean: my condolences
saifedean: and congratulations for getting out!
diana_coman: no need to: it thoroughly disabused me of the naive belief that academia is actually worthwhile aka truly doing research (in some 1% cases it might still be doing it, but mostly dieing out)
saifedean: agreed entirely, and the only thing that will kill this worthless zombie is sound money cutting off the bezzle spigots
diana_coman: read this: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2832751 <- the answer to the title would be "well, how the hell would you know?" ; really, get involved and do something useful with it and then talk about what you did; so far I see only a re-hash a la acm/journalism/whatevers, not-even-proper-systematic-lit-review
diana_coman: !!up saifedean
deedbot: saifedean voiced for 30 minutes.
saifedean: sounds nice in principle except that you can't actually do anything with "blockchain technology" other than bitcoin
saifedean: that's the point of the paper
saifedean: other than bitcoin-envy, there's absolutely no reason for anyone to use "blockchain technology" for anything
diana_coman: I didn't mean to get involved and do something useful with "blockchain technology"; I meant at the very least running a node, exploring the network
diana_coman: the links you sent are essentially bla-bla; not even theory since there isn't even some clear methodology one could evaluate, nor clear supporting arguments to the claims; I won't waste any more time on it
saifedean: i see the postdoc years have taken their toll. Academics are incapable of actually thinking of anything other than rituals of methodology
saifedean: this is bezzle-funded ritualism, meant to create an aura of prestige around bezzle-funded bullshit "science"
saifedean: academic disciplines as we know them have degenerated into rituals for exclusivity, not communicating ideas. these papers have been quite helpful to disabuse a lot of people of the retarded notions that altcoins and "blockchain technology" are going to revolutionize all teh thingz
saifedean: in any case, these only inform the last couple of chapters of the book. the rest is mostly economic history and austrian economics on sound money and its perks & fiat money and its disasters
diana_coman: lolz @ ritualism; I ask for practical, hands-on experience that would give him something to say on the topic and he points me to bla-bla; I point out it is bla-bla unsupported and without any concern to even allow people to verify it should they be inclined to do so and he claims it's rituals I'm asking for
diana_coman: !!rate saifedean -1 bla-bla peddler full of air and nothing much besides it.
deedbot: saifedean is not registered in WoT.
diana_coman: oh right
diana_coman: it seems that academia meanwhile went even faster downhill than I thought possible; at this rate it will soon produce colouring books and "educate" people on how pencils are not even good for much besides making marks on paper (for which one can use their hands anyway! there's one chapter on that plus 10 on history of mark-making and its perks)
shinohai: Such entertaining logz this morning, courtesy of diana_coman ! >.>
diana_coman: lol; Sunday logs!
shinohai: tfw peer review requires you to get out the crayons ....
trinque savors the irony re: "rituals for exclusivity"
trinque: !!gettrust deedbot trinque
deedbot: L1: 1, L2: 6 by 6 connections.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635884 << asciilifeform is not even slightly an academic but, after grunting through saifedean's links, agrees with diana_coman☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 08:20 saifedean: i see the postdoc years have taken their toll. Academics are incapable of actually thinking of anything other than rituals of methodology
asciilifeform: the linked material is.. 'content free'
shinohai: He replied to me on twitter: "the groupthink, navel-gazing & ritualism can be a little overdone!" ( Asking one to cite sources = ritualism ? )
asciilifeform: oh he cites sources... (e.g., buterin!)
shinohai: I mean real sources.
shinohai: xD
asciilifeform: the basic q for him, per diana_coman earlier, 'who the hell ~are~ you, to ~speak~'
shinohai kek'd http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635889☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 09:30 diana_coman: !!rate saifedean -1 bla-bla peddler full of air and nothing much besides it.
asciilifeform: there are few folx more insufferable than the ones who think that their heathen 'credentials' ~per se~ are worth something.
asciilifeform: if d00d had toiled in a lab for 20 yrs -- that is some, bare, minimal contact with physical reality and cause-effect systems, perhaps comparable with an auto mechanic's 20 yrs in garage. and so i might listen to an experimentalist for ~that~ reason.
asciilifeform: but not for the certificate-from-hitler.
asciilifeform: also fwiw i can't stand taleb for exactly same reason
asciilifeform: (d00d who thinks that he's a demigod, but i have nfi what he actually accomplished with ~own~ hands other than the tired old trick of 'turning a billion $ into a million')
shinohai: I sometimes read his stuff, but he is very arrogant for someone that simply parrots existing works.
mircea_popescu: arrogance is a defense mechanism in sexually frustrated males.
shinohai: Not like my timeline isn't full of all sorts of things that could help with that. :)
Framedragger: (well he did retire in his 20s by doing trading and also correctly shorting for the 2008 meltdown)
Framedragger: maybe this is an instance of turning $1b into $1m, tho
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635884 << this was lulzy. diana_coman has been weighed in the balance and found wanting. saifadean 5:27☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 08:20 saifedean: i see the postdoc years have taken their toll. Academics are incapable of actually thinking of anything other than rituals of methodology
shinohai: !~bible saifadean 5:27
jhvh1: shinohai: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635892 << it already does exactly that. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634147 point in case.☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 09:36 diana_coman: it seems that academia meanwhile went even faster downhill than I thought possible; at this rate it will soon produce colouring books and "educate" people on how pencils are not even good for much besides making marks on paper (for which one can use their hands anyway! there's one chapter on that plus 10 on history of mark-making and its perks)
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 17:47 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he "will spend significant time" to find... "Research" tasks adequate to that fuckdolls "level" yet he can't be bothered to figure out how deedbot works ?
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8anE0hXUAEcvDD.jpg <<< Windows 10 ftw
mircea_popescu: !~bible danielpbarron 5:27
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.
mircea_popescu: gah nothing works.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635906 << lebanese iirc expat ; did some research work in the us. not actually stupid but altogether lazy and possessed of a very inflated sense of self-worth and self-importance (it seems to rub off on foreigners faster than on locals, this typical ustardism. i guess it would be because the immigrants self-select for sensitivity to the infection).☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 14:48 asciilifeform: the basic q for him, per diana_coman earlier, 'who the hell ~are~ you, to ~speak~'
mircea_popescu: as far as the forum is concerned, his latest foray was some very overreactive bs triggered by my refusal to take rice out of my sushi or somesuch.
asciilifeform: i remember him from couplea yrs ago; 'economist' and dietary crackpot
asciilifeform: makes me recall mircea_popescu's '5th psychological urge / 'mystical correctness' article
asciilifeform: d00d makes a successful bet, once in his life, and it irradiates his brain
mircea_popescu: mebbe. i have nfi really.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's hard out there for a pimp, yo, when he trynna make da mony fo da rent.
mircea_popescu: (in other words : males tend to put up all sorts of inept acts because, literally, manhood is a practical impossibility.)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635912 << i don't personally find taleb objectionable. this position my be significantly bolstered by my disinclination to actually read him. anyway -- i suspect it might be a case of anaphylaxis. you can't stand specific antigens which he expresses mostly to protect himself from the idiot soup he bathes in, the twitter world etc.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 14:54 asciilifeform: also fwiw i can't stand taleb for exactly same reason
mircea_popescu: very similar reaction in a certain sort of mousy librarian brain (like for eg the population of something awful) wrt yours truly.
asciilifeform: likely
mircea_popescu: if it's indeed the case that taleb is your orlov, i'll comment that i'm missing out on less than you are.
mircea_popescu: because taleb is no mark cuban (the poster child of "pro wrestlert accidentally sold pair of used undies for 5bn, now thinks self businessman in spite of mountain of evidence to the contrary accumulated over the decades)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635918 << i suspect alf has a very strong bias pro algae and anti bacteria. i'm not altogether convinced the view has any merit.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 15:18 Framedragger: maybe this is an instance of turning $1b into $1m, tho
mircea_popescu: if for nothing else, because if followed along it ends up favouring bos over panthera
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: expand plz
shinohai: !!up thortron
deedbot: thortron voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's two kinds of animals, at the basics. those who "make something with own chloroplasts" ie, algae, plants etc ; and then those who eat them.
asciilifeform: i am not a protester of the food chain.
mircea_popescu: the problem is the rope frays at the other end : bama dillert's father, who plows, does not appear in any james hones novels ; bama dillert himself, who figures if a man's gonna gamble anyway, might as well do it without plowing, does.
mircea_popescu: because the latter have to move, and consequently must be graceful and etcetera.
mircea_popescu: james jones*
jhvh1: Hello thorntron. Who is your daddy and what does he do?
asciilifeform: and i even have nothing, believe it or not, against lottery winners. of whatever kind. but i will not worship them.
mircea_popescu: well worship is a complex topic. for one thing, why'd you worship anything that dun fuck you.
asciilifeform: lottery winners have not merely 0 to teach, but 'learning' from them tends to make folx dumber.
mircea_popescu: this depends dunnit ? "learning" is quite open ended.
asciilifeform: as per naggum's example of 'comp industry 'learned' from microshit'.
asciilifeform: successes that cannot be replicated are 'antiknowledge'
mircea_popescu: until they are replicated, all successes can't be replicated.
mircea_popescu: and bitcoin replication isn't the best of topics for this theory anyway.
asciilifeform: 'stand right here, perhaps gold asteroid will fall for you too!'
mircea_popescu: this isn't as universally stupid as it sounds.
asciilifeform: my pov re taleb reduces to 'asciilifeform does not have he expertise to determine, from the supplied info, whether taleb is a brilliant trader; but the money, even supposing taleb made it from trading,
asciilifeform: and not from self-aggrandizing b00ks,
asciilifeform: ain't proof.'
mircea_popescu: sadly there isn't such a thing as "brilliant trader" in nature anymore than there is "masked crime figther wearing a cape".
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: my positive view comes from specific things, such as take the recent article of his that was discussed here : his references are good.
mircea_popescu: good here means a very specific thing : a) not lifted from soup but actually chosen by a hand that can choose to suit the work. ie, not pret a porter but tailored ; and b) correctly covering. as explained in eg http://trilema.com/2017/stop-being-so-fucking-poor/#footnote_3_72144
asciilifeform: this is so. it is why i even try, occasionally, to read his material
asciilifeform: it is clearly the work of a thinking man.
asciilifeform: but suffers from large admixture of nonsense and peacock feathers.
mircea_popescu: i don't specifically care re "arrogance" or whatever other emotional manipulation in the text. i can read the barely literate productions of poorly washed 5th century jews figuring themselves "god". what's taleb gonna do to max my dosimeter.
mircea_popescu: (5th bc, if it wasn't obvious)
asciilifeform: was
mircea_popescu: hm ?
asciilifeform: re 5th c
mircea_popescu: ah yeah.
asciilifeform: my other irritation, fwiw, in taleb, is that he positions himself as 'opponent' of lizard system, while in fact being a creature of it
mircea_popescu: and zeus was created how ?
asciilifeform: quite similar to , e.g., sov. general grigorenko, 'dissident'
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> as far as the forum is concerned, his latest foray was some very overreactive bs triggered by my refusal to take rice out of my sushi or somesuch. << AHA
mircea_popescu: chronos, the god time, who devoured all his sons, was wounded by a diamond sickle borne by his own creation. it happens.
BingoBoingo: saifedean of Lebanon, expert who would not deedbot was cast out for the rice in his pork
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: other observation re taleb -- i find his works quintessentially 'american', in the most damning sense of the word -- they are exactly 'salvation through method' - 'do-s and dont-s', 'don't use black-scholes', 'do worship at my feet, and have my esteemed pedigree tree, and sit on the sunny shores of the levant, and You Too Could Be A God Like Me' etc.
mircea_popescu: now you know why i don't tend to read him.
mircea_popescu: the parts where he applies himself to other principles are quite good nevertheless.
asciilifeform: maybe there was something good in joseph smith also -- 'stop drinking', say.
asciilifeform: dun make a guru.
Framedragger: "and have my esteemed pedigree tree"? isn't part of his (by now, tired, yes) point to the effect of the exact opposite? ("trust your biology, folklore, etc., they're better than experts telling you things"; "i won't give advice on $currency because i don't hold positions in $currency hence not exposed to the risk", so on)
Framedragger: or you mean that yet somehow his general spiel still mirrors some general faulty 'american' structure (difficult to prove/disprove this)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ^ (but i don't have a point to prove, just that i didn't see much to blame there, however i could just be my usual naive)
shinohai: lol @ homeless crackhead being given $200`000 bail for setting the freeway fire.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2017/our-everyday-rape/#selection-133.20-133.57 << in which mp unexpectedly claims dibs on the "it remains" device by virtue of material published 6 years ago!
mircea_popescu: shinohai i read that as "the system has decided the value to it of this $random is 200k."
mircea_popescu: best bezzle ever.
shinohai: Doubt even the shittiest back-alley clinic in Guatemala would pay 10% of that for dudes kidney.
shinohai: ( Just give him some laced coke and take for phree )
mircea_popescu: stressed kidney no good.
shinohai: Lulzy morning when some smacktard on twitter sends one of my girls a .uue file. When that didn't work, sent files as a .zip in email.
mircea_popescu: i imagine 50% of rats exist so random wankers can watch the girl in 8a work as a camho without having to pay for the "credits"
mircea_popescu: she wouldn't mind doing it in person, but the dude sure as fuck ain't gonna ask her.
shinohai refuses to let skiddies cut in on his commission .....
jurov: BingoBoingo: i have a comment on qntra monthly report, it awaits moderation
jurov: I will wait with the shares till that is resolved.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/our-everyday-rape/ << Trilema - Our everyday rape
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635995 << purporting to teach a demonstrably-unteachable replication of unreplicable success -- is the 'american' item.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 16:31 Framedragger: or you mean that yet somehow his general spiel still mirrors some general faulty 'american' structure (difficult to prove/disprove this)
asciilifeform: 'how You Too Can Win Lottery.'
asciilifeform: one of the things i always liked about mircea_popescu is that he never did this.
Framedragger: i think i see what you mean. i'm not convinced he's actually trying to teach just that, but fair enough.
asciilifeform: freely admits 'even if all of your 10,000,001 barriers to being me were removed, by martians, you still won't'
mircea_popescu: "you still maybe"
mircea_popescu: the chief problem with the barriers is that they're after the fact.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how much patience for extremely elaborate musical romanian insider jokes teh republic finds within itself, but anyway, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yharM4yByNM
mircea_popescu: "first of all there appeared the idiots, then next transport landed some thieves. as all women were already ladies a platoon of whores was parachuted from the sky. the danger being real the idiots spontaneously invented the first courthouse."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the way i see it, doing http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit by being 10,000,001 people trying nonsense, and then writing as the 1 surviving taleb, is exactly same as doing it via the usual 10,000,001 sybils
asciilifeform: strictly in the sense of 'you can't learn to DO this, it isn't a thing that a generic ~you~ can ~do~'
mircea_popescu: there's no arguing that
mircea_popescu: the only objection is that a happy life is not actually impossible.
asciilifeform: some folx win biochemical lottery, noshit, are happy even when stewing in own shit in calcutta, yes.
asciilifeform: others -- not even on the lizard throne.
asciilifeform: entirely orthogonal, this axis, to reality.
mircea_popescu: mebbe
mircea_popescu wonders if asciilifeform has 10,000,001 on a hotkey, and if so, which it is
asciilifeform keeps his 3rd hand on the numberz pad, is all.
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, yest went with hanbot an' coupla locals to this "sports bar" where they run girl's footsketball (i have nfi, small indoor court, nice asses, ball kicking) and karaoke.
mircea_popescu: she did "don't take your guns to town", which was teh only english thing done, and apparently was a challenge to download etc, but the dj was very proud to manage eventually.
mircea_popescu: everyone was very... living up to the occasion of the sacred language blessing their venue. then i explained what the lyrics said, and i think they were a little aghast
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean he shoots the kid ?! but we're doing spanish romantic bs all day, love you eternally etc!"
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: i suspect that my entire picture of spanish world is skewed by marquez
danielpbarron: ooo you do karaoke!? i do that several times a week
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron not personally ; i'm just promiscuous, will go anywhere alcohol is served.
asciilifeform: whaddayamean they don't sit around , retired and deposed colonels, deciding which fighting cock to sell, before starving
danielpbarron: i also offend locals. my favorite things to sing are the most violent rap like Eminem
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hehe
asciilifeform: or pump a man so full of lead, he gets taken to quicklime pit in a wheelbarrow
danielpbarron: but i really confuse them because i also sing things like simon and garfunkel really well
asciilifeform: and it takes three men and a mule to pull it
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron they weren't offended in the slightest. i think the only proper way to describe tico mindset is "eagerly open minded".
mircea_popescu: "this shit makes no sense it's what they do other places mmkay."
mircea_popescu: anyway, my driver's crazy about karaoke. he admits he wanted to be a singer!
mircea_popescu: he also told me he's metrosexual, but upon inquiry it was established he merely misunderstood what that meant.
danielpbarron: people tell me i should do it professionally, but to me it's just a fun thing to do. i think it would not be fun if i tried to make money with it
asciilifeform: what did it turn out to mean ? he fucks trains ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he washes.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron how would you do it professionally, they have contests or what ?
danielpbarron: you found a good venue of the dj is willing to download songs on the spot. my favorite place is a portugese bar where the guy will play from youtube if he doesn't have the song. that's the only way I can properly sing Lil Wayne -- find the instrumental version and read lyrics from my phone
mircea_popescu always imagined stuff like america got talent is the tail end of karaoke bars.
danielpbarron: idk, get hired by bars to sing all night or something
mircea_popescu: pretty sure you need tits for that neh ?
danielpbarron: yes that too. a few days ago someone was saying "oh you should be on america's got talent!" and i'm like "haha no way"
mircea_popescu: it being fundamentally an azn thing, i expect it works just like star wars etc. can be pro, but it means a certain thing.
mircea_popescu: and yes, very little fun left once you go that way.
mircea_popescu: but then again i never knew any karaoke pros.
mod6: Ladies and Gentlemen of TMSR~, The Bitcoin Foundation's monthly State of Bitcoin Address: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-April/000262.html
danielpbarron: plus all karaoke djs tend to be a little weird in a way particular to that profession; i don't care to become like that
mod6: (my apologies for the late submission to the chamber.)
mircea_popescu: better than publishing on fool's day
danielpbarron: i think it might be comparable to camwhores and ptsd. having their attention constantly split here and there trying to appease everyone
mircea_popescu: that's terrible, have you seen that ?
mod6: mircea_popescu: haha
danielpbarron: that's what you said somewhere, i wouldn't know
mircea_popescu had camwhoring on "list of things girl must do" extremely briefly. went right the fuck out, it's a scandalous abuse of the human body to compare with, eg, the "sulphur mine children".
mircea_popescu: was that wonder in the logs ?
danielpbarron: might have been a trilema article, i don't recall exactly
mircea_popescu: yes. http://trilema.com/2016/the-bizarro-world-of-camwhoring/
shinohai: ^ /me read that article and almost decided against all this poppycock
mircea_popescu: but i meant re the sulphur mine boys of eg southern italy 19th century.
BingoBoingo: jurov: ty number transposed, fixing
BingoBoingo: !!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ILHGW/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: jurov: ty fxd
deedbot: accepted: 1
BingoBoingo: jurov: http://qntra.net/2017/04/qntra-s-qntr-march-2017-report/#comment-90880
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635838 << That worx. No rush, I'll be around :)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 07:26 diana_coman: lobbes, I'll gladly pay for the auction services in Eulora; Foxy's currently in a days-long craft so will have to wait for that to finish first though
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo gah!!1
BingoBoingo: My bad, total shares figure was correct, allocation was not.
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/Q1/danielpbarron_payment_receipt.txt
lobbes: !!deed http://lobbesblog.com/billing/2017/Q1/mircea_popescu_payment_receipt.txt
deedbot: accepted: 1
deedbot: accepted: 1
jurov: Shares pushed. davout: you know how to get your s.qntr?
shinohai: ty jurov, as always.
mircea_popescu: o hey, good news, i udun have to do anything.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Scott Pruitt decided no to"
mircea_popescu: "Three arrest have been"
BingoBoingo: ty fxd x2
shinohai: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2017/Mar/71 <<< pfsense firewalls, we keep u safe!
mircea_popescu: "the page at https://googleads.g.doubleclick.net says [object Object]"
mircea_popescu: anyway, only interesting under the angle of "idiot empire raided open source forum, pretends to have "discovered" things and to "give credits" to itself etc."
phf: i suspect saifedean is pitching various audiences to create a buzz for his upcoming book, because the way he opened seemed like a cold call. "normies" "bezzle this bezzle that" every phrase felt like it was lifted from a "wake up sheeple" video with that matrix soundtrack
phf: this is not the right audience for that sort of club footed approach, but i'm sure he'll get a good response on bitcointalk or whatever
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt it. the time for unsolicited manuscripts was sometime in between the summer of 90something and the autumn of the same 90something. nobody can tell you precisely when, but in any case "i made a book" is precisely the same as "i made a used condom"
mircea_popescu: "you mean, with a girl ?" "no, by myself. but it'll get all the girls interested! after all my used condom maker works!!11"
mircea_popescu: anyway. such is the high cost of harboring delusions of self-determination.
phf: right, i'm trying to discern some kind of strategy that he's employing, but there might just be none
mircea_popescu: well, if by strategy you mean, attempt to adequate to the environment, i'd say none. if you mean "i am saifadean hear me roar" then sure, he's trying to matter as he is rather than as he'd matter.
mircea_popescu: "i want a guy who will love me for me" but in the male color scheme, as it were.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-11#917183 ooh that guy☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-11-11 08:48 saifedean: really, before you dismiss paleo, just try eliminating grains from your body for 2 weeks and see what it does to you. every single person i know who's done it has changed their life entirely.
mircea_popescu: 2014 eh ? been a while.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole "i write books" aspirational occupation is a macula of dumb just all of itself. i keep mentioning tucker max because he tried (and claimed to succeed) and utterly failed at the thing.
phf: i somehow doubt he spent that time reading the logs.
mircea_popescu: it's a joke, new york times best seller = not enough to pay for a night in a hotel.
mircea_popescu: phf evidently not. he wasted a coupla years of his life, now in 2017 is in same position as he was in 2014. but it's ok, he's unwilling to review this, so he'll die as he lived.
mircea_popescu: definitional normie talking about "normies".
mircea_popescu: "selling" 1k copies of a book is a) a fine way to spend a thousand hours of your time to earn about a hundred dollars and b) sufficient of an achievement to make you a "best selling author" and allow you to "lord it over" the utter fucktards populating that particular hobbist space.
mircea_popescu: because that's what it is. writing books is exactly like playing with rv boats. "oh, you won the milwaukee regional finals in 2016 ? WOW!!11 where do i throw my panties!"
phf: the incentives seem inside out. it's not "i have something to say that's not otherwise been said" it's "i'm going to say something!"
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/7MfhY/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
phf: sitting down to "write the great american novel" as a the pure case of that
shinohai bets he would likely make more writing for Qntra instead ...
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/shinohais-shitcoin-roundup-xtend-vers-second-coming-pitato-drama-hash-shenanigans/ << Qntra - Shinohai's Shitcoin Roundup Xtend: Ver's Second Coming, PiTato Drama, Hash Shenanigans
danielpbarron: in tucker max's defense, his are the only books i have ever purchased in "e"lectronic form. and I did get a kick out of them. But that was before I discovered trilema so who knows how they'd read to me if i tried again
shinohai: https://s3nd.org/berlin2017 <<< Behold the derpitude of "The Bitcoin Wallet Standards Development Initiative"