ben_vulpes: (helps that folks are generally familiar with the base code.)
a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 22:11 ben_vulpes: one wrinkle that occurred to me as i tested this patch against a not-completely synced node this afternoon is that satoshi's early transactions were all of the "pay to pubkey" variety, and not today's standard "pay to pubkey hash" breed.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> we already arguably lost a contributor because he couldn't predict what we wouldn't like about the STYLE, rather than substance of his work. << i kinda agree that some type of loose style guide should be created and posted to minimize churn/rework to assimilate
mircea_popescu: incidentally, speaking of buried tech : ~nobody credits diderot with the first coherent rejection of "intelligent design", but lettre sur les aveugles.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-09 13:04 asciilifeform: it is possible that solitary prisoners go mad from simple boredom. notice that nobody is ever imprisoned in a library.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 23:47 mircea_popescu: we already arguably lost a contributor because he couldn't predict what we wouldn't like about the STYLE, rather than substance of his work.
mircea_popescu: well, the reasoning was, "as they can't be bothered to read online while out ; so can't they be bothered to read books while in"
mircea_popescu: perhaps ; but it's not clearly out of the crossing yet, so it may be counted.
mircea_popescu: paper is a miserable fit for the manner in which i read. one day ima actually manage to put into algo form the sort of tree i wish to see
a111: Logged on 2017-05-14 22:10 trinque: no need to rush on my account, plenty of strange acts of serial cable mangling and other perversions on my end yet
BingoBoingo: The only problem with Mazda wenkels is the stupid insistence on oil injection instead of just running a 2-cycle petroil mix
mircea_popescu: o brother, this was one of those total oil loss systems was it ?
mircea_popescu: i guess. there's ~no way to compensate that loss of mass though.
BingoBoingo: The wankel is indeed a total oil loss system, which means FU PETROIL!
BingoBoingo: But no, instead they wanna fake boring ole normal and instead the moo cows moo "Leak! Leak!"
BingoBoingo today had to console poor fellow who burdened himself with a 4-cycle string trimmer "It seems to not be that powerful" "Of course it's not, there's half as many power strokes"
BingoBoingo: The wankel being a 4-stroke, or poor fellow who misadventured on 4-stroke strimmer getting jewed of of half the power strokes he'd have on a 2-cycle
BingoBoingo: But wankel while a 4-stroke is a total loss design that even has oil injection, a feature usually reserved for larger 2-strokes
mircea_popescu: shinohai lol, the butthurt of the idiot indian. he was already seeing himself consul, what do we mean his career is finished ?!?!?! CAN NOT BEEE!!11
mircea_popescu: "scholar in residence", they wouldn't even give him a chair. NYU ffs! next step down was what, supervising the used sportsbras of the ohio state sluts ?
shinohai: I was trying to think of how to spin a Qntra out of it, but it was quite lulzy on it's own.
mircea_popescu: maybe he never overcomes the moment, spends rest of his life cringing over this, like a sort of lefty rms.
shinohai: He can always learn 2 write shitty javascript and sell crap on fivver like all the other pajeets.
shinohai: He is, if I ever find some Indian city willing to accept Bitcoin in exchange for naming a designated shitting street after him, I will gladly memorialize him.
mircea_popescu: phf` suppose this morning you have to read l'histoire de mademoiselle cronel ditte fretilon. because whatever, as part of your plurious activities you're helping a girl get a place off the ground and being a serious agent you scoop the quarries of truth quite that deep. what now ?
mircea_popescu: i dun feel like paying amazon 30 bux because who the fuck are they, not like they helped me know i hafta read this, and not like there can exist another merit ; i dun feel like waiting till they deliver. i did see the book at one point, in library, of course, which is how i know it exists, but i'm not going back there to read a book.
mircea_popescu: but the overarching point is that a life of the spirit requires you read books you DIDNT read before. re-reading the same books you already know is a dubious benefit.
mircea_popescu: works well enough if one decides to be say, a playwright. all you need is already published and already known, learn greek and latin and go ahead.
mircea_popescu: but some people are not specific things. what's they to do.
mircea_popescu: the meteoric path of that young careerist is quite amusing. started rather impressively, fell right in the shitter.
shinohai wrote Qntra on that, hasn't yet been published
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not for hoarding dead tree per se, but for attempting to apply a linear solution to a nonlinear problem WAY past the point where the mismatch should have become obvious.
mircea_popescu: i also hoard dead tree, it's called furniture. but in that application works fabulously well, the absence of a different couch does in no way detract from the damsel's moans who's overturned on it.
mircea_popescu: but at least i don't throw it all out the window, so there's that.
mircea_popescu: hoarding it like ~ is borne of a very flattering view of humanity, supposing somehow that the worms could also not be worms, if $magic, such as you know, reading a book.
mircea_popescu: "here's this process makes the leaf impervious and weightless, sir. or would you prefer we gild the covers instead ?"
mircea_popescu: "yea, please, more gilding, and use thicker leaf, maybe i manage to sink in earth like a raft adrift the oceans."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "au-deflus des plus fenefees reflexions"!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check out this lulz : in order to open a bank account, ALL banks of costa rica require the company present them with a PROJECTED CASH FLOW! supposedly because there's some law so requiring them, which i dun much credit, but i do intend to find a lawyer and ask their local constitutional court. in any case, all this supposedly because "since 9/11 the ustards forced them to", which is obviously lulzy since the ust
Framedragger had to supply a coupla raised invoices in UK for bank to say "mk this bzns looks like serious bzns". felt dodgy (i can raise invoice to ur mom)
mircea_popescu: since when the fuck is bank allowed to judge, what is this, soviets ?
mircea_popescu also refused to get himself "good fiscal behaviour" certificate when rotards came up with "requiring" such nonsense. they nearly fell over.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's actually a public utility. has absolutely no right over the usage of its monopoly, much like electric co can't cut your power.
mircea_popescu: apparently a bunch of idiots watch too much netflix and don't encounter nearly enough clubs to the mouth to know better than trying to apply in life what they saw in the cartoons.
mircea_popescu: but i carry a large stick, and dun mind hurting people.
mircea_popescu: lol, usg.ms duking it out with usg.nsa over the fact that they got publicly raped a little ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, the soviets got defeated by a buncha chukas, but it is not the peace&defense ministry's fault! it's the supplies&items ministry's fault!"
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : how to fix idiotic (fixed width paragraph) documents ? s/\n\n/\r\r/ s/\n// s/\r/\n/. thanks god for idiotic newline alternatives.
mircea_popescu: no, problem is someone somewhere IS FUCKING IDIOTIC ENOUGH to touch the enter key for any other reason than end of paragraph.
mircea_popescu: then unix crapola has non-flowing text because hey, let's be idiots.
mircea_popescu: fu. it's not your fucking problem. your paragraph is a line. how (or whether) that line is broken is the problem of whoever displays it.
mircea_popescu: so ? let the whoever views it do whatever they deem fit.
mircea_popescu: your job is to write your line of code well ; not to "ensure" random person you don't nor can know LOOKS AT IT FROM THE RIGFHT ANGLE
mircea_popescu: let. the. owner. of. proggy. solve. HIS FUCKING PROBLEMS.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 04:44 fromloper: I have NDA access, so I have slightly better documentation (but still shit and incomplete). Business decision. Intel only because that's where 95% of the market is. Also easier to do security research on ME and AMT if you can step through, which needs JTAG as well.
mircea_popescu: mno. i'm thinking of them as what they are -- the author being mentally slow, and attempting the equivalent of ajax in my fucking text file.
Framedragger: so instead of writing code i now need to write a code editor which can break code lines code-semantically? :/
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 15:07 asciilifeform: fact. there is not a proggy that will intelligently, cleanly, break lines of code in every known lang
Framedragger: yes and i hate nano, it's horrible for long lines
mircea_popescu: Framedragger im not proposing it be used, i'm just lulzing at the whole nonsense.
Framedragger: ah, well then yeah, it's pretty luzly :D tis true
mircea_popescu: anyway. you're telling me you can't read code broken on space like sane wordwrap does ?
Framedragger: code can't scroll horizontally, breaks too many things. e.g. visual selection of blocks. needs to literally-fit-in-head horizontal-wise
mircea_popescu: in my experience line of code that exceeds viewport is in all cases an example of badly written code.
mircea_popescu: and if you try to read people with viewport larger than yours, either buy a better system or live with your inferiority.
mircea_popescu: no. i am simply saying i am a better man than you. and you will either 120 or live with knowing this.
Framedragger has not-great eyesight and prefers traditional 80col, worx great
mircea_popescu: what, it's nonsense because we don't share the same incentives to misrepresent the facts ?
mircea_popescu: it's one thing to say "this fellow has no idea what the fuck he's saying" ; it's quite another to say "this fellow doesn't know of our hardships!". the former's an argument. the latter...
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp, it's not for a living". no, it's not, it's for a dying ;/
mircea_popescu: is the substance of disagreement that you want things to read like
mircea_popescu: because yes, your lisp code should be line=paragraph, and your ide should properly expand the parens, and afaik / afaies it DOES.
mircea_popescu: that the rest of the crap ~dun work that way... hey. i thought that's mostly why you don't like the rest of the crap in the first place
mircea_popescu: it is INCREDIBLY lulzy to catch fire at "string = number" but to tolerate "my program is a strring hurr"
mircea_popescu: why the fuck can't i add the string 68 with the numeral 7 to get the real 74.99999999 as god intended ? it's ALL STRINGS YES ?
Framedragger: semantic diff would of course be spiffy, there is that.
mircea_popescu: no, Framedragger , it wouldn't be neat. it would be normal. code-as-ascii-string diff fundamentally can't work.
Framedragger: yesyes, meanwhile i'll go and pretend i have a computer!
mircea_popescu: you know, unlike you people, tru drivers of your imaginary tractors / flying veyrons.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 00:24 asciilifeform: this is to abolish the line-based idiocy of unix diff.
Framedragger: ast-based-diff does imply getting rid of 'line' concept in source, doesn't it
mircea_popescu: well, i see it absorbed in paragraph, but whatever. item, how'd you call the thing.
mircea_popescu: the humanities tradition is that meaningful text (eg law) is quoted by page and paragraph, whereas meaningless text (eg, ehtnological notation) is quoted by page and line.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: this explains why modern analytic philosophy got rid of paragraph notation (cf. kant and, like, everyone else), hmm...
mircea_popescu: Framedragger and why ~nobody sane calls some randomly chosen species of the "reality tv show" "modern philosophy".
mircea_popescu: you understand the difference between baudrillard and simona trasca is the packaging only, yes ?
☟︎ Framedragger: (from irc backlog) eh, there's ~passable stuff, like chalmers (actually vaguely referenced in logs) etc
Framedragger: but yeah. also paragraph notion vaguely relates to "log ranges" concept (which i haven't developed any further, yet.) l1 folx give labels to log line ranges; these 'breaks' can then visibly (not obnoxiously) appear in online logotron.
mircea_popescu: sure, and the tv on occasion has hot chicks that are a pleasure in private. i know. so ?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 15:30 mircea_popescu: you understand the difference between baudrillard and simona trasca is the packaging only, yes ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: hm so you would dismiss say the whole internalism/externalism debate as effectively tv show, then? :D
mircea_popescu: random $50 an hour ro tv starlet. google images shows you the... well, you know, normal face, they all look the same.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i would dismiss the whole "public intellectual" v 5.0 as entirely like the tv starlet. they ALSO all sound the same.
deedbot: fd_ghetto voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: the girls stuff their lips with silicon etc, the boys use certain textual devices, whatever.
fd_ghetto: (sorry, very shoddy irc connection all of the sudden. ping is stable so not sure wtf)
Framedragger: heh re textual devices, i guess i have to agree. baudrillard... i liked it when i first read simulation/simulacra. yes it was pretty vapous, i mean, beyond the "map != territory but depends how you use words, kid!!", summarised in a paragraph or two... so, sure
mircea_popescu: and it dun has anything to do with the french style of going on tv. anglo derp sitting in his office "writing" for "peer reviewed" etc is not doing anything different. it's just a shitty tv channel nobody tunes in, the nature channel, the peer reviewed channel, etc.
Framedragger: i don't have a strong case but don't consider all of analytic philosophy to be just "public intellectuals". a *large lot* of it, sure, so makes sense to just dismiss all of it for the sake of saving time / internal sanity
mircea_popescu: there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: in the sense pointing and laughing is some kind of anti-mongoloid, sure.
trinque: if one can't derive ought from is, and authority dispenses commands, not so hard to process.
mircea_popescu: trinque or alternatively you could draw it directly from aristotle and the discussions of prime movers. though the subtleties of scholastics are not well understood by the "modern" mind.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 15:09 Framedragger: so instead of writing code i now need to write a code editor which can break code lines code-semantically? :/
mircea_popescu: of course, it's not generally the way of tv personalities to inquire what'd be the table stakes. they're just there, right ?
mircea_popescu: heck, you could actually draw it out of the kuhn-popper theory of paradigm.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 18:43 mircea_popescu: now we understand each other. dutch can't be "wrong" about aristotle per se. it is a fact he didn't much understand what the other said ; and it is a fact that in the dutch system, dutch's observations stand, however vaguely greek flavoured they may be.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587264 << so delightfully naive, in retrospect. "oh, the reason alphabet doesn't work is that the meaning of words gets lost through thousands of years, but if only they had slideshare then! the wholly contentless meaningless diagram is eternal -- nothing there to lose!"
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 18:18 jurov: heh, nice example how alphabet is inferior to diagrams. if aristotle had drawn a diagrams that would survive to this day, no translation needed
mircea_popescu: i should open a bank offering 100% guaranteed deposits -- for the poor.
mircea_popescu: somehow the observation that they could read aristotle in the middle ages but couldn't read egyptian until 1800s doth not bother the diagramist.
mircea_popescu: somehow the fact aristotle is a major source of quotes today in europe, but fukantothmoth or w/e her name was isn't a source of anything for "the great nation of africa" idem dun bother. why the fuck is it that i can recide names of ancient members of the republic of letters to fill an orthodox pomelnik for a full mass, and nobody can name three fucking egyptian authors he likes. supposedly they taught our barbarians magic an
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or maybe because the hope that diagrams won't pile up and evolve to hieroglyphs entirely baseless ?
mircea_popescu: they already fucking copy/paste the slides into a shannonized mess.
mircea_popescu: carrying meaning with raw geometry. if only. the easier case for this would be "carrying love with naked penis", ie, raping your way into marriage. that has better chances of working than the meaning of sheer existence.
mircea_popescu: like any nonsense, it claims no parentage. but no, it is a primitive kind of hieroglyphism.
mircea_popescu: the fact that you get an erection watching a picture of Anne rather than reading "Anne spent her days naked and her tits were big and milky" is no argument as to the ~meaning~. your erections ain't meaningful.
mircea_popescu: i live among a people who prefer textual renditions of paths to actual map usage, or cartesian addressing mechanisms. the notion that you have a more direct understanding of some house by saying "Fuckenstrasse 17" than by saying "turn left art the church and follow the tit stamps on the sidewalk" is ...
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 15:25 mircea_popescu: THIS MUST BE BECAUSE ~I~ AM NOT A PROGRAMMER.
mircea_popescu: aristotle built plenty of machines that didn't work also.
mircea_popescu: he had a whole workshop producing cutlery devoid of handles but missing the business end.
Framedragger: one $sadthing re aristotle is that he did all his logic in verbal syllogisms. which is ~fine, but omg did predicate symbol notation help... and it took a long while. same with middle age logic (buridan et al, not an expert tho). guess knowing lating well helps a lot, tho :/
mircea_popescu: anyway, the amusing parallel ot all this is, of course, the "plain reading" of the us constitution.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger latin is not so far off from predicate symbol notation in the first place, which easement did slow down the development of hte cleanner tool.
mircea_popescu: how this works, whoever has nice weather ends up falling behind in textile mill development.
Framedragger: the paradox re free will, been a long time tho
mircea_popescu: yes, the ass that died of thirst and hunger being trapped equally thirsty and hungry at equal distance from a pail of water and a pail of oats.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (amusingly enough, lots of "engineers" esp of the computing type display the behaviour.)
Framedragger: if you constrain free will to rational-agent-acts only, then yeah, paradox applies.. right?
Framedragger: "stochastic behaviour important part of agent!", something
mircea_popescu: if you pretend "rationality" ie "i fucking love science" ie, meaning-afore-authority to be the prime mover.
mircea_popescu: the rest is just whitewash, mostly by people who imagine authority is something they can personally deny. speak truth to power or something.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: devil's advocate: can attempt to resist where-to-go paradox without making reference to authority if you admit that agent's free will can also include (while still counting as free will) "unconscious heuristics" ("water is priority"; but yes this is missing the point, i guess) / "random behaviour" (buridan would disagree that this is "free will", i guess)
mircea_popescu: because every time baby-thought runs into insurmountable problem, it runs off to mommy "random" box. which is not random to mommy now is it.
Framedragger: (heh, this relates in my head re taleb's "trust yer biology!!" point (iterated in multiple places))
mircea_popescu: whether you are obeying the words of darius, the greatest man-god to walk the sands around babylon, carried to your ears by a stout fellow in weird pajamas ; or the echoes of the voice of some dumb woman nobody liked, whom you'de irrationalyl decided is important beyond all else in nature ; or the strange flickers of a tube which "is impersonal and therefore truthful, pay no attention at the jew behind the screen", in point o
mircea_popescu: f fact you predicate your meaning on preexisting authority.
Framedragger: i suppose one cannot avoid this general structural, at least i can't, yeah. does wonders for my ongoing internal-anarchism debate :D
Framedragger: (will produce text from mind if anything good comes up, but likely won't)
mircea_popescu: without exception one claiming "i fucking love science" or "where can i find just the facts" or etcetera is merely rejecting what they perceive as the NORMAL authority, in favour of an unvoiced alternative they deem superior.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-12 00:57 mircea_popescu: how about "bitch, if you could know truth if it hit you on the head you'd be in power". not fucking evident enough ? how the fuck are the powerless to obtain truth, from their father, the god of the stupid ?
mircea_popescu: cogent challenge to authority is a finnicky-er order than readily intuited by the desperate adolescent
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 17:04 mircea_popescu: i don't think you either know or could meet if you dedicated a year to it someone possessed of an ai capable of identifying who the fuck to shoot.
mircea_popescu: something with false color renderings of outer space telescope shots
mircea_popescu: the idea being that "i fucking love britney spears because here's a painting of her in my bedroom" in 2004, "i fucking love science because here's a painting of science in my bedroom" 2005, then hs ended moved to dorm got stoned and plugged in all the holes.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 16:24 mircea_popescu: yes, the ass that died of thirst and hunger being trapped equally thirsty and hungry at equal distance from a pail of water and a pail of oats.
mircea_popescu: sort of last-stop on the train ride between virginity and mother of two. nobody can recount what happened in the intervening decade
Framedragger: nfc => contactless payments, presumably. pay for condoms with finger
mircea_popescu: maybe they could add them to foreskins, could pay per stroke.
Framedragger: ejaculation charged extra, unless netfuxx subscription. where is my vc money?
mircea_popescu: girls could charge by kinetic momentum / mass displacement / profile geometry etc. fairer.
mircea_popescu: could get a ----- BEGIN DICK DESCRIPTOR ----- header that'd allow ytou to estimate upfront.
Framedragger: worx for me as long as javascript callbacks are supported so developers can expand and add custom JS logic
Framedragger: like, apple watch can start flashing when precum is estimated to be secreted
mircea_popescu: could make a whole bunch of "clever" romcoms around the newly upgraded mistaken identity comedy, omg his watch flashed.
mircea_popescu: thanks god for progress, see, we can now re-do all the boccaccio which we pretend to not exist, because the old redos are no longer cogent of the new set of hyeroglyphs.
mircea_popescu: basically "modern culture" is strictly this : a special monkery where idiotic monks re-do the copying of old manuscripts in the font of the year.
mircea_popescu: (no, it's not clear if monkery or monks is misspelled.)
mircea_popescu: in the latest lulz re banking scams, third world banks discovered that if they just charge for wires anyway, notwitstanding sent OUR, nobody'll know the difference.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi who imagines anyone would want to live in a world run by the bureaucrats in preference of a world run by the drug dealers. am i really supposed to believe a guy who always sells the amount he promises is not to be trusted with government, whereas a conclave of disgusting crows that never fail to break their promises are naturally recommended for the job ?
mircea_popescu: fuck that shit, give me a country run by pimps and hookers, i do not want to see more "college educated" "respectable" schmucks raise head above water.
ben_vulpes did turn all notifications off on all mobile devices
ben_vulpes: it is abhorrent that apple decided to display who's texting me over my movies.
ben_vulpes: sadly, the only fuckoff.sh for new apple retardation is not buying apple products
ben_vulpes: "oh gosh, you know i think i'm too old to learn a new ui"
mircea_popescu: the only fuckoff.sh for not having a dilated asshole and insulted prostate is... not taking cock up the ass. sadly ? I THINK NOT!!!
ben_vulpes: "baby you are entirely capable of deducing what the new buttons do, i don't want to hear that kind of nonsense from you any more."
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it was a pussy when i first got in bed.
BingoBoingo: In the "Sad That Not Scammed Files": You need to stop giving a fuck about how your car looks. I was cross shopping clean RSX-Ss against my CRZ, and I got a bargain basement CRZ at $7500. You paid $2300, maybe a third of what a nice one costs. The only amazing thing here is that you are stunned that your car that cost a third of "what it should" has tons of problems.
ben_vulpes: reminds me of the story of the american producer visiting canada who refused to sniff the maple-scented bills, certain that he was being trolled.
ben_vulpes: i suppose then yes, except for the actually producing piss part.
BingoBoingo: Nah, it's the body trying to control blood sugar by dumping it through the piss
BingoBoingo: And as socialists candadians treat money and markets as a waste stream
Framedragger realised the term "inflection point" was actually used in the article itself (in a footnote), in the sense i had in mind, so needless to say, not an original point
Framedragger: (author did not respond to query, before anyone asks)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ty for response, no follow-ups for now :)
trinque: Framedragger: is this query "supposing there were a bomb under your ass and nothing you could do, what would you do?"
trinque: siberian permafrost methane or w/e?
shinohai: The motivation for creating the shitty database boils down to "the one we were using wasn't written in a hipster language." <<< top kek
Framedragger: trinque: hm, no, honestly the point *was* just about non-linearity. not about action or "hey we should hedge our bets just in case", etc.
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking thing is that for ~as long as there existed human culture, which is to say the greeks, it was both known, evident, and accepted that the situation of life on earth is precarious, and the party will end.
Framedragger: i do not presently assign any high value towards AGW, but am also unsure of the "if there were a bomb, there definitely would be nothing to be done" part. i mean, i guess so, hm.
mircea_popescu: it took however the dumbest generation of narcissists in history to make this astral point personal.
mircea_popescu: "the sun was walking down shithead avenue in maryland, and as it sat down at the starbucks it felt a ..."
trinque: I asked because what occurred to me is that "AGW" is a fine excuse for the sniveling neuroses of the present generation.
trinque: tlp came to mind also, ofc.
Framedragger: oh yeah, such a great channel, occupy the oceans!
Framedragger: yeah, i guess it's a about the general point anyway. with not much particular matter left
mircea_popescu: whatever, they're too fucking smart and in charge of things and matters to be catholics like "those beasts" of "the dark ages". too busy getting "just the facts" and "drawing their own conclusions" so as to be polytheistic dorks like the aztecs, the harappan, and whatever other tribes forgotten through disuse.
mircea_popescu: they're gonna sacrifice preet bharara's arsehole to maintain the sun's power levels.
mircea_popescu: (speaking of which, the harappan steatites remain undeciphered -- not that people've not tried.)
mircea_popescu: you can say "Wtf it is" but not what it's supposed to mean.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a whole pile, google image search for "harappan steatite" returns more than i knew / ever saw, so.
trinque: because of what's already in your head, or not
trinque: oh look, I think they talk through those hoses in front, and only the hose-bearing ones talk.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the dorks ("scientists! scientific method! just the data! own determination!!1") involved had a whole story of how it's supposed to be universally meaningful.
mircea_popescu: even more entertaining in context than the finishbed product
mircea_popescu: which observation IS A SAD COMMENT on the whole problem, recursively!
mircea_popescu: well yes, in being a diagram, it's meaningless and therefore "a religious artefact"
mircea_popescu: you know this is what we say, about all the diagrams of extinguished authorities ?
mircea_popescu: every queen in the valley of queens was buried with a shelf full of religious artefacts
mircea_popescu: well apparently i never published the dildos in question. anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but no, greek alphabet and most of greek text extant is understandable. and understood. that dutch can't be arsed is neither here nor there.
mircea_popescu: nope. similarly pint of oil can't be fit in any prepuce any man carries. what's one to do ?
mircea_popescu: get bigger foreskins ? or stop trying to store oil in foreskin ?
mircea_popescu: for the same money you might complain tail recursion can't be explained in any language hn speaks. hurr durr, let them fucking learn languages first.
mircea_popescu: i think your notion of "to explain" may have a lot in common with your notion of "diagram".
mircea_popescu: and, while at it, let us also point out that i not being the living authority on explaining aristotle to people, my failure to explain to any specified group is not the mother of all proofs.
mircea_popescu: i also tried to explain shakespeare and bit a steel girder.
mircea_popescu: (for the record, since apparently dictionaries are as shitty as always - no, prepuce is not "technical term for foreskin". it is technical term for the space between foreskin and the glans ; similarily, it is not the skin surrouinding the clitoris, ie clitoral hood, but the fold between the two.)
mircea_popescu: it's a meaningful distinction, if i say "in the prepuce" i dun mean injected into the foreskin ffs.
ben_vulpes: i like the subtle satire. really makes it.
trinque: ben_vulpes: I dunno man; I think he's serious. just look at his shithub activity graph
mircea_popescu: anywya, im not reading this pile of garbage ; but from the skimming -- the whole argument is born of ignorance. reddit got its start as a heaven for child porn peddlers who got banned on digg.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: other than that, the whole thing is "ra ra, america!!"
mircea_popescu: as if anyone gives a flying fuck what difficulties middle eastern dorks have in going naked down the street.
mircea_popescu: anwyay, there's a half dozen ppl keep linking reddit. if they switched to linking 8chan or whatever, it'd be that.
BingoBoingo: One of those sorta near terminal marketing problems
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes trinque i do think the dude is actually serious.
mircea_popescu: wtf is "balsamiq" omfg it never ends with these idiots trying to make money by doing each other's laundry.
trinque: this kid is "no am civilize" dubai edition, apparently.
mircea_popescu: should i be concerned that the pure brilliance factory failed to allign the script with the math symbols ?
mircea_popescu: also, what's the asciilifeform 's meter say ? hyeroglyphs ? diagrams ?
mircea_popescu: "you + hot soup + 1980s walkman headset + zoloft = pure brilliance" ?
ben_vulpes: trinque: oh he hasta be serious, i'm making a joke.
mircea_popescu: "Mockups is zenware, meaning that it will help you get "in the zone", and stay there. Our aim is for you to forget our software is there at all."
mircea_popescu: "Your whole team can come together around the right design using Mockups. It's so easy to learn, both clients and customers can use it (for free even), to describe their needs more clearly." [because they are illiterate, and even if they aren't -- can rely on the requisite critical mass of literacy never being reached]
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: when did it become acceptable for camhos to show panty lines?
ben_vulpes: "there are no rules! anything goes! there's no logical explanation for this...discombooberation..."
mircea_popescu: anyway, this item is a fine fucking example of very, very sad slavegirls wasting their time "making a product" instead of dedicating those years to worship.
mircea_popescu: "Letting you specify behaviors and click-actions would inevitably turn Mockups into a much more complex tool, which is a terrible thing for us: if we want to continue to be the in-between tool, Mockups needs to be extremely quick to learn so that every stakeholder can have their say with an equal playing field." << check it out, they even got the "level playing field" thing. what was the sf thing with the dumbing devices ?
mircea_popescu: "I have a man-crush on whoever built it. So freaking good. — Jeremy Toeman, President & Founder, Dijit Media" the cool thing is they link. ima now examine a whole pile of these.
mircea_popescu: © 2008-2017 Balsamiq Studios, LLC holy hell. 2008 ?! nfw ?!
mircea_popescu: connectsolutions got aquihired by aaski (usg front, recently got 1bn in pork for unspecified services. primo target for some data liberation, as it happens.)
mircea_popescu: "Tinton Falls, NJ April 21, 2017 — AASKI Technology, Inc. is pleased to announce that we are one of three Defense companies to win a prime contractor position on a potential five-year, $900 million contract for field support and technical services to the U.S. Army‘s Project Management Office, Unmanned Aircraft Systems (PM UAS)." etc.
mircea_popescu: “We are very excited about this win,” said Bharat Parikh, CEO, AASKI Technology.
ben_vulpes: i have seen this before, the continentals holding posts in usg bezzletrons, and i don't quite get how it makes sense. "we all went to hahvahd biz skool for credential washing to operate scammatronz", maybe?
Framedragger: filled out a form. my proposed mega charitable $25 bid will probably go unnoticed, tho :(
Framedragger: maybe if we all bid in $1 increments they will see real value$$$
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes recall the pharma wiz kid ? the one they dekulakized for "how dare you buy things and then raise price on them"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes seems there's a lot of pressure to succeed at scamming in the us for indian boys.
scriba: Logged on 2017-05-15: [22:25:40] <mircea_popescu> “We are very excited about this win,” said Bharat Parikh, CEO, AASKI Technology.
Framedragger: ah shit, i thought i forgot something. just need to reconstruct unicode from hydrogen atom first principles
Framedragger: this will produce barf reactions, but re. that pioneer plate, hmm... yeah it's horribru, but the pulsar period lines (iirc?) - it's completely hogwash, right? the human figures are, sure
mircea_popescu: "Somewhat fortunately Balsamiq was too successful for that, and Giacomo was forced to hire more and more people. Balsamiq is now being built by 25 members, who service around 0.5M customers and manage 10,000 new transactions a month. All of it generating about $7M a year." << this is actually a model-run business. had nfi mp-style even exists in fiat world, but lo and behold. took 10 years to get to 7mn a year, sustainably.
☟︎ Framedragger: pulsars are kinda loud on teh spectrum. the visual representations (marks on the lines) can be mapped to relative pulsar periods in a straightforward fashion.
mircea_popescu: (tl;dr -- alien i ran into knew what latin is, they had it too. latin language universal invariant. hurr.)
Framedragger: it is qualitatively less stupid than printing a fucking human figure on the plate.
Framedragger: pulsars are more visible than latin, is what i meant
Framedragger: sure, if you argue for (if that's the term) ultimate epistemological relativism, crabs in water, then whatever. but we don't intend crabs to intercept a space vessel anyway
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 22:29 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes recall the pharma wiz kid ? the one they dekulakized for "how dare you buy things and then raise price on them"
Framedragger: the pulsar part i think would count as asciilifeformic diagram, maybe. but just that, and only just
mircea_popescu: sure, not matter of sympathy. matter of -- just like the egyptian kids sit in luxor center for businessmen trying to find old dizzy cow with social security payments to build them a tourist trap, just so perhaps indian kids sit in indian cafe, trying to get usg tendrils trapped.
Framedragger: yeah quite a few assumptions re triangulation, hm
mircea_popescu: "sure, and as anything they want to! there's a fortran for that."
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you even have a sympathy gland?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger so basically what you did was, you moved the discussion from where it was obviously stupid, to where it was not obviously stupid (to you), and needs feynman to explain what and werefore.
mircea_popescu: this is ~identical to person who reads article in nature, in his field, pukes, then goes on to take next story seriously.
Framedragger: *i* got a reference to a nice piece by feynman. it was also mentioned on the forum logs. booyah!
jhvh1: Last 2 lines bashed and pending publication
trinque: all the more terrible and uninviting a universe if there aren't elsewhere salt water sacks whose symbols we could hope to grok?
trinque: appears yet another psychological defense
Framedragger: everything is a defense mechanism eh... maybe it is
trinque: not at all. but anything that renders the other familiar too easily.. sure smells like one
Framedragger recommends egan's "wang's carpets", to contribute, in all seriousness. (later incorporated as a chapter in his "diaspora", asciilifeform will know)
Framedragger: re. "not salt sacks! cellular automata in large sugar molecules!" (pretty neat, truly)
trinque: he's done several sorts of weirdo incomrehensible aliens
Framedragger: yeah i need to read his short story collections in full, he tends to be better at short stories anyway
Framedragger checks the java filled homepage, damn moar books to read. that is nice
mircea_popescu: the more i read about this balsamiq guy, the more i like him.
shinohai: seriously? I haz removed oil filters w/ screwdriver but that's just ....
shinohai: Bonus points for Honeywell mfg