trinque: asciilifeform: mno, shouldn't add reliance on state where there is currently none
trinque: I don't trust freenode to keep my table of available nicks accurate
☟︎☟︎ trinque: it'd put me in the position later where people are complaining that some nick can't be upped
trinque: better to just issue whatever command lord gave, lord himself can see later if it's what he actually wanted
a111: Logged on 2017-01-15 23:04 shinohai: Well I was trying to avoid littering logs with sex strategy discussion, but if you all enjoy.
shinohai hopes being a camho lord doesn't require castration or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what the title would be. lord constable ? master of the horse ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-15 23:33 asciilifeform: !!up deedbotreallyoughttocheckifexists
mircea_popescu: even as a general principle, having a bot restrain a lord is to be limited to very well justified cases.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell pete_dushenski I am merely trained as a librarian so I only library my own library and thus little weird finds its way into books I lend
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the french left is debating "universal income of 750 euros per month", just for you know, existing ; reintroducing the draft (gotta earn that free money after all) ; electing the senate randomly. such topix.
mircea_popescu: anyway, looks like if they manage 10% it'll be a great victory.
mircea_popescu: vaguely curious if the "minister for productive recovery" will manage to steal valls' nomination though.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for as long as zee germans keep backing the eu finances, sure.
mircea_popescu: the greek thing left its marks. everyone wants free monyz, why not.
mircea_popescu: france was very briefly a northern european country, against its will, under de gaulle. it really wants to go join the southern states where it belongs.
BingoBoingo: Oh, I though shinohai reposted devil suits!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically, the rhodesia of rhodesia was just the first in a string of rhodesiaings.
mircea_popescu: and what great hopes the hollande socialists held in 2012, supermajority in parliament, things they were gonna do... ou sont!
BingoBoingo: The stretch of French history from 2012 through 2016 will now be known as the Hollandaise!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hey, your favourite bahamas lifted sanctions on sudan
mircea_popescu: anyway. the iranians arrested a bunch of us sailors, got the ciphers etc.
mircea_popescu: The humiliating January 12 incident took place when Iranian navy intercepted two American ships off Farsi Island in the Persian Gulf. The US vessels, that according to the Pentagon were on their way from Kuwait to the US naval base in Bahrain, experienced mechanical problems and drifted into Iranian waters where the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) detained everyone onboard.
phf: i knew i read that somewhere..
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mircea_popescu: phf yeah, it's from last year. what HADNT come out until now is that the iranians got us naval cipher books.
mircea_popescu: in the best of lights it takes the us navy ONE YEAR to replace those.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no, take that back, now comments are 5 words wide eugh.
mircea_popescu: and btw notice the repeating bits : "gIC0K" ; "jYz" ; "ZT" "Nj" etc etc.
mircea_popescu: that last 2 letter combo recurs 4 times! considering it's base64, odds should be 1/4096 which makes 4 occurences in 177 a little rich.
davout: mircea_popescu: your base64'ing some hex
mircea_popescu: echo "hillary2016trilema.com" | sha512sum -b | base64 << correct.
davout: "echo "hillary2016qntra.net" | sha512sum | xxd -r -p | base64 --wrap=0"
davout: drops base64 newlines too
mircea_popescu: WHAT THE FUCK "read in binary" dude srsly ? who whore these things.
mircea_popescu: Written by Ulrich Drepper, Scott Miller, and David Madore.
davout: also "echo -n" will not append a newline at the end of the string to be hashed, which might be best, otherwise you could end up in a world of wtf trying to reproduce it with some other setup
mircea_popescu: now let's do a practical exercise : produce a google query which results in the source of drepper's sha512
mircea_popescu: and don't give me the "but mp, depends on implementation" bullshit, because EVIDENTLY IT DOESN'T.
mircea_popescu: everyone uses the same piece of shit written by the same piece of shit.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 15:38 asciilifeform: it is very easy to piss on google when you don't have to do anything technical with own hands.
jurov: some derpsites have litmitation on pw length, or used chars. Or they get rebranded or force you to change the pw or you want alt account, or...
mircea_popescu: jurov so "echo "hillary2016qntra.netaltaccount" | sha512sum | xxd -r -p | base64 --wrap=0"
jurov: It';s hopeless, no fixed salt+algo can account for everything
mircea_popescu: the output is base64 which i doubt they can narrow further, and if they want fewer you jsut truncate
jurov: No you have to remember how did you name the alt
mircea_popescu: suppose you always name your alts altone alttwo etc ; or any other fixed scheme
jurov: And where did you truncate it
jurov: Oh, you think websites helpfully say how long the want the pw to be? :)
mircea_popescu: (but really most wwwshits just silently truncate your pw ; unless of course you use their own www form for some reason)
jurov: and actually, some require non-alphanum characters
jurov: see your hillary example
mircea_popescu: $ echo -n "hillary2016qntra.net" | sha512sum | xxd -r -p | base64 --wrap=0
mircea_popescu: 42S5KotQ1F1d0eL7+xYfMDu4vmMzSzU3c343bgwlSNI4Ht7YfhhDdD2tTdIxAMmPtcOg1509EkhIsMRMLvbdaA==
jurov: i wish it was all contrived... but started getting these nasty flashbacks on various webshit pw requirements, yuck
davout: yeah, the issue is that some will *require* a fucking dollar sign, other ones will *prohibit* it
davout: also "can't have same password as your previous one" derpage
davout: (which obviously leads to $password$n, with $n increasing monotonically)
davout: "you must have speshul characters in your passwerd"
jurov: i'd rather have gpg key autogenerated from some salt instead, that is guaranteed to never run into webshit derpage
mircea_popescu: hey, i'd rather the web went back to what it can do, and forgot all this "logins, because state over stateless, because PROGRESS MAKES IDIOCY POSSIBLE!!1"
mircea_popescu: in other words dude the sha512 in coreutils 8.26 is the lulz.
mircea_popescu: sorry about the paste, i'd like to reference like a civilised person, but gnu isn't quite there yet. perhaps in another century or two.
mircea_popescu: and i mean this literally, their web-accessible coreutils/lib/ is empty ; gotta fish it out off the ftp zips
mircea_popescu: everything BUT the article. including every article that mentions it by name (such as through the latest articles list). but not IT!
mircea_popescu: and supposedly this is done without (bad) manual intervention, somehow.
davout: i get it as first result fwiw
davout: interdastingly, the archive link from ten minutes ago comes second
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski listen ye historian of language : your footnotes are somehow broken so that xxiv is still displayed as xiv.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Why aren't links on you page "link" colored?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: footnotes padding was just askew. fixed now. and thx too for the full screen tip.
mircea_popescu: oh, i get it, the "vox populi" as per the 200k wash dc niggers ?
mircea_popescu: funny how ready nobodies are to misrepresent themselves as teh owners of world.
mircea_popescu: skepticism as in "it's fucking insane to not fuck children if you're going to pump them full of sex-drugs" ?
mircea_popescu: how do you get "ejected" from an open source community anyway ? they're not going to merge your fixes anymore ? they're going to merge them but pretend they got them from obama / whatever-fashionable-nigger instead ? they're going to not merge anythingf seeing how you don't do anything anyway but ... no longer hurr durr with you ?
mircea_popescu: it's not like the "open source communities" have much of a notion of identity anyway
mircea_popescu: maybe we've all been "ejected from the open source community we participated in" aka prb ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform entirely indistinguishable from what's going on right now, neh ?
mircea_popescu: for all you know he's been ejected from ~5000 prlinuxen also.
trinque: in fact there's mention of a linux "fork" somewhere in or beyond those comments, can't be arsed to pull up again
mircea_popescu: so nvidia will "eject linus from the open source project he was working on" and not release their driver, and linus will tell them to get fucked.
mircea_popescu: i suppose your argument that linus' toleration of "linux foundation", redhat & debian etc is tantamount to exactly same.
trinque: in the gcc thread, wasn't this considered to be gcc's only defense?
trinque: "cannot be moved by sheer mass"
mircea_popescu: it was ; but in a very naive sort of way, ie, "if you think that's how yo udefend you already lost long ago"
trinque: aha, just poking it for the benefit of logs. it's a sad state to be in.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 18:20 mircea_popescu: but not just llvm - the whole world exists, and it produces things such as "'Static linking of user binaries is not supported on Mac OS X. Tying user binaries to the internal implementation of Mac OS X libraries and interfaces would limit our ability to update and enhance Mac OS X. Instead, dynamic linking is supported (linking against crt1.o automatically instead of looking for crt0.o, for example). We strongly recommend tha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in honesty, i don't think anyone who came before had the intelligence / intellectual wherewithal to realise what the standards should be.
mircea_popescu: as shocking as that statement may be, it would appear true. everyone else was simply too dumb to understand you want to mandate shitting in toilet.
mircea_popescu: if it is true, then it can't be much of a criterion retrospectively.
mircea_popescu: oh that's what it is, "conferences" specifically. dude... i have nfi why anyone with any sort of qualification would actually appear at one of these. for one thing, they don't pay. for another thing, they are about on 1980s soviet level of amenties, fucking hell ima brownbag food because i don't eat burger king ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck eats the us workman's buffet crap and also is a professional in any field ?
mircea_popescu: tbh i kinda miss those devices. i'd much rather have 9 pin printer than the current malfunctioning atrocities.
mircea_popescu: o hey, esr redefines nigger as "political carpetbagger". dork, to redefine word must use shorter variant. no longer alternative ever prevails in practice.
mircea_popescu: and lords are now "elders" in his ad-hoc "i've not read #trilema i just rewrite what comes to me from the spheres"
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. it's kind-of funny to read tmsr rewrites by john smiths.
mircea_popescu: "Second: show me your code. I want to see URLs to public repositories with your commits in them. (OpenHub statistics will do for a first cut.) Your credibility goes up with commit volume and number of different projects. and especially with the number of other people you have collaborated with."
mircea_popescu: see kiddies, this is why "rewriting in your own words and pretending you never read it here" doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess it's the best he can do, with what he has. which is sad but then again what can you expect. the goat - grazes.
mircea_popescu: i can only imagine what the next generation imbeciles, eich and andreessen and so forth will be like when they're 60.
mircea_popescu: but the notion of having versions on a license... good god.
mircea_popescu stopped paying attention re gpl sometime around "afero"
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☟︎ mircea_popescu: and in lulzy ancient stuff :
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2005/06/30/esr_interview.html interviewer (random nobody) contrasts sony using netbsd for the psp and people finding out because they put an unlinked text file on their website (as per license obligation) which was then found whereas they advertised the shit out of running linux for the ps3 in the terms of "WE THE PEOPLE made this be".
mircea_popescu: he literally imagines that the difference isn't for the obvious reason (usg decided to push x rather than y) but for some sort of self-aggrandizing "it's something we did which unwittingly made the cave walls move this way".
mircea_popescu: us president shouldn't be recognized by anyone as a matter of course anyway.
mircea_popescu: should be fun to see how the dc 200k turn ariund the whole "tax resistors are nutty" argument once it's a case of "president resistors are heros".
mircea_popescu: anyways, to round off the whole linux/bsd, esr/rms/etc angle : at any point the Moterhood (be it implemented in practice as "the USG" or "the public opinion" or "the church of England" or whatever the fuck - there will exist a conclave of the lazy, stupid and covetous, and it will be somewhat politically influential and appear VERY politically influential much like to the small children the mother appears truly awesome in her
mircea_popescu: endless powers) will perceive "those crazy kids" by degrees dangerous. as a practical imperative it will apply some of its resources towards coopting some ; and towards combatting some others.
mircea_popescu: in the history of computing it so happened that it picked to coopt linux. what the people involved did or didn't do has exactly nothing of interest to do with this ; and "studying history" in the sense of trying to divine what the favoured son did or didn't do so you too could share in the bounty is insanity exactly of the ilk the statement suggests.
mircea_popescu: nevermind why mommy didn't love you ; she wouldn't have fucked you anyway, and she'd have sucked at it if she had fucked you. forget all that, nobody cares, go find better behaved womenz an' make your own harem.
mircea_popescu: (note how "everyone" ~YOU HEAR ABOUT~ is trying to make "the next airbnb" ; not the next apple. there's a reason mother's lullaby goes the way it goes, and that reason mostly has to do with mommy's fear of rape)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ~only reason john smith behaviour survives is that mommy never wants to pick the original, because think of the power imbalance.
mircea_popescu: or in proper terms, especially when the original is actually bigger than her.
mircea_popescu: most animals, including amoeba, have enough sense to not try and ingest larger items.
mircea_popescu: but then again i'm sure there's ~no creative people out there, so.
mircea_popescu: "the best argument against open source is a five minute interaction with the average internet dog."
mircea_popescu: yeah, who's gonna write comics, the president of nbc ?
mircea_popescu: you mean "they have been excluded from the open source communities they were contributing to" don't you ?
mircea_popescu: certainly if your drill consists of google, as per ... today's amusements.
mircea_popescu: yes, the fact that competent engineers tend to be poorly socialised is the major weakness of engineering competence.
mircea_popescu: that tendency doesn't have to last, though, and it certainly needn't be nurtured.
mircea_popescu: if someone became an astrologer today who did look through them, they'd have plenty of customers.
mircea_popescu: there's always a sprout of veblen goods in every lemon markety
mircea_popescu: even among subhuman horde there's some taste for the refined.
mircea_popescu: in other news, this strip is actually a perfect primer for things nobody cares about these days, but were still "the issues" before osama pulled america's pants and fucked it into its present us shape.
mircea_popescu: anyone interested in getting computing, 1990s to 2005 or so is more than welcome to read it, follow the competently provided references, and there it is.
mircea_popescu: back when people still publsihed in magazines and ~nobody had a cellphone and so on.
mircea_popescu: pcmag, seriously ? im surprised the website is even up anymore.
mircea_popescu: well... it IS pretty funny to watch 2016 ers talk about "political activists" or w/e.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is he, or what, nobody can remember 1996 ?
jurov: i was actually going to link that, then assumed you'll go all "we already discussed that, gtfo"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they planned the recon mission by email lel
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: any opinions on "autosock" vs. traditional chains?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform random redditard's spew about as worthy of consideration as something you saw on 4chan
mircea_popescu: i'm not saying the contrary of whatever you might have inferred from reading random spew.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, nobody reads it. it's there to write, not to read
mircea_popescu: i very much don';t think there is such a thing as "an optimal solution" in the field
mircea_popescu: clothing is perhaps a more easy to grasp example. there isn't "an optimal solution" in clothes. there also isn't a "market".
mircea_popescu: (the relation between hardware and textile making are STRIKING, even if one's not studied early industrialization seriously. it's almost exactly the same thing.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how the fuck did those kids go into the missile vaults and not carry a gm counter ?
mircea_popescu: almost as if their entire hope is indirection. "with infinite layers of indirection, all problems can wait!"
mircea_popescu: it is interesting to see exactly how deeply welded idiocy is inside western thought.
mircea_popescu: (perens, ftr, is the original author of busybox among other things)
mircea_popescu: anyway, tried to get an alt-ubuntu debian package going at some point when the idea was that "linux has to be more user-friendly" early 2000s