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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mostly, yeah/
mircea_popescu: personally i'm much more invested in beheading the schmuck over the "web 2.0" bullshit than whatever foss drama.
mircea_popescu: someone somewhere absolutely has to hang for "web 2.0"
asciilifeform: netscape / jwz.
mircea_popescu: no, as a general rule drones hang for what they are, queens hang for what they did. there's really little other than "he's jwz" needed to hang jwz.
shinohai: http://vessenes.com/ <<< out of nowhere PETER VESSENES Ladies and Gentleman!
mircea_popescu: another bitcoin scammer moved on to altcoins ?
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'weeds must spread' apparently encompasses every possible thing: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fusion_woo
mircea_popescu: ugly fucker, too.
asciilifeform: yudkowsky & co 'debunk' any un-usgtronic item they can think of
mircea_popescu: where's all these ugly schmucks come from. check out frank luntz for a nightmare sometime.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought they weren't active no moar ?
asciilifeform: lw is largely cold
asciilifeform: but the inhabitants spread elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: that said, there's a bunch of crap floating around cold fusion. a sort of quantum computing.
asciilifeform: plays ~same role as 'chemtrails'
asciilifeform: (largely propagated by naturally-occurring idiots, but usg wins from their existence and sometimes throws a bone, ensuring that their voice will be loud and clear in any nominally 'deviant' forum)
asciilifeform: sorta how 'aliens did it' folk unfailingly appear in all '9-11 truth' discussions.
mircea_popescu: depends where.
mircea_popescu: not all venues are created equal.
asciilifeform: anywhere public / wotless.
mircea_popescu: well sure.
mircea_popescu: and the "call X for cocksucking" notices unfailingly appear in all public restrooms
mircea_popescu: (except in fucking argentina, these people are too mentally slow to even that.)
asciilifeform: an interesting exercise, for patient folks, is to follow the usg tendrils backwards in time, observing what subjects had been dealt with by seeding public forum with crank bait, long before 'blocksizs wars' etc.
asciilifeform: fusion pops up as one such. there were many other subjs.
asciilifeform: 'Additional criticism is levied at the group's leader, Eric Lerner, for his rejection of the mainstream consensus regarding the Big Bang, which leads to more doubt as to the group's legitimacy.' << lel
smickles: oh what a fun looking command
smickles: $s moon
a111: 446 results for "moon", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=moon
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is absolutely no "consensus" re early physics. there';s at least a dozen articulated theories, maybe broadly classifiable in 3-4 groups.
mircea_popescu: the only conensus would be of esltards and junior high unionized teachers.
asciilifeform: for ustards there is ALWAYS a 'consensus'.
asciilifeform: aha!
mircea_popescu: heh.
asciilifeform: 'what ted talk said' --> konsensooos.
asciilifeform: climatolade, etc.
mircea_popescu: if only. xckd & 9gag more like it.
asciilifeform: tendrils of the squid.
shinohai: lol Factom up 44.97 % iisn't that the company you mentioned earlier asciilifeform ☟︎
hanbot: <asciilifeform> 'Additional criticism is levied at the group's leader, Eric Lerner, for his rejection of the mainstream consensus regarding the Big Bang, which leads to more doubt as to the group's legitimacy.' << lel << wtf is a "mainstream consensus" even, other'n subconscious acknowledgement of the utter lack of substance contained in what they'd like to be seen as doing, anyway. ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1484864 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484632 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 17:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re alts from earlier thread, seems like usg already just now picked successor turdcoin: https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/news/2016/06/17/st-awards-199k-austin-based-factom-inc-iot-systems-security
a111: Logged on 2016-06-19 01:23 shinohai: lol Factom up 44.97 % iisn't that the company you mentioned earlier asciilifeform
asciilifeform: usgolade.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1484865 << the zombies' notion of 'substance' is quite the same 'palace economy' as their concept of, e.g., political legitimacy - a magical juice produced at harvard and distributed to the mandarins and from there down to 'deserving' plebes. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-19 01:29 hanbot: <asciilifeform> 'Additional criticism is levied at the group's leader, Eric Lerner, for his rejection of the mainstream consensus regarding the Big Bang, which leads to more doubt as to the group's legitimacy.' << lel << wtf is a "mainstream consensus" even, other'n subconscious acknowledgement of the utter lack of substance contained in what they'd like to be seen as doing, anyway.
mircea_popescu: sorta like moses with his magical black box
mircea_popescu: also das ist sehr butt fur Bit-coin.
phf: whenever i hear of mainstream consensus... i unlock my browning
asciilifeform: ^^^
asciilifeform: one key bit of insight is that 'self-licking ice cream cones' - which is to say, all 'mainstream science', as carried out by mandarins who leave their balls in a jar via the degree-wank-till-you're-45 method (vs the ancient and more humane sharp knife and rope one) all produce very much the same output.
asciilifeform: which is to say, the tokamak folks are about as interested in desktop, $1000 fusion (of ~whatever temperatures~) as the maths dept at your uni is interested in elementary proof of fermat, or the software 'industry' - in 'fits in head', etc. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the one thing ~every~ idiocy is unerringly good at is recognizing direct threats to own perpetuation.
asciilifeform: and yes, 'them crackpots are crayzeeeee' - for same reason as the folks shooting at usg are. because after 100 yrs of 'we control vertical and horizontal' only the nuts are left to resist.
asciilifeform: wot is the one and only potential penicillin for this.
asciilifeform: which is why 1,001 flavours of ninjashotguns instinctively attack the notion.
deedbot: [Qntra] Quebec Political Party Quietly Invited All Possible Observers To Internal Discussions - http://qntra.net/2016/06/quebec-political-party-quietly-invited-all-possible-observers-to-internal-discussions/
asciilifeform: in other lulz, usg is pumping air back into eth ?
asciilifeform: i'm still not convinced that there's been any net leakage of 'turkey dollar.'
BingoBoingo: Just wait till the real DAOist posts pics of all their turkeys
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that goes without saying, for you.
asciilifeform: lolk
asciilifeform: this is rather like, e.g., rutherford's observation that electron doesn't fall out of its orbit by radiating away energy, and hence is not analogous to orbiting moon.
mircea_popescu: well no but it's part of the asciilifeform apodicticology, "nothing that ever happens could disrupt usg".
asciilifeform: something is missing in the model.
asciilifeform: if usg were bleeding turkey dollars, the successive iterations of altpump would lose vigour.
mircea_popescu: how's that follow ?
asciilifeform: alternatively it isn't a closed system
mircea_popescu: no, on the contrary, the more it bleeds the more vigorous it gets.
asciilifeform: and is powered by elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: fish similarly, the better it's hooked, the more it struggles.
asciilifeform: possibly.
mircea_popescu: and not "closed system", uses own kidney fat.
mircea_popescu: which is an externality.
mircea_popescu: the immense piled wealth 1850-1950 keeps on unwinding.
asciilifeform: i predicted, for instance, that there would be a usgtronic alt backed by actual fiatola. which hasn't happened yet.
asciilifeform: possibly - next cycle..?
mircea_popescu: takes a shitload of stupid to get a world power into african level. took the russians what, a half century to unwind the last four tsars (stalin being the 4th)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nobody cares enough about fiat. all backing will be through bitcoin, because bitcoin has monopoly on currency now.
mircea_popescu: they lost that war, years ago. it's on trilema actually.
asciilifeform: well how the hell do you back a scamcoin with actual bitcoin
mircea_popescu: ikr?
asciilifeform: can only work with at least mildly broken bitcoin, e.g., the timelock thing
mircea_popescu: can "work" the same way everything else they do "works".
asciilifeform: ( as per http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-13#920116 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-11-13 19:06 asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
mircea_popescu: for as long as willing to pretend, works fine.
asciilifeform: pretendjuice is finite resource
mircea_popescu: not so.
mircea_popescu: pretendjuice is the least finite of all resources. even today, after all the men are dead and all the women long raped into usefullness, the hittite empire pretend still lives, unsung and alone.
mircea_popescu: in a language not even understood, under many layers of dirt, the capital of name unknown never fell.
asciilifeform: for instance, i recently went, in usa no less, to an airport, and was shown into an actual airplane which actually burned some actual petro and actually flew. whereas if pretendjuice were not a finite resource, i would probably have been sat down in a cardboard box and 'zoom, zoom'
asciilifeform: but this would not leave sufficient juice left over for pretending other pretenses
mircea_popescu: there is that. but the clockwork of pretense doesn't actually prevent the general point.
mircea_popescu: you ARE given a paper which "shows" you "own" house. right ?
asciilifeform: this is possible because the scarce juice is saved for it.
asciilifeform: and not otherwise.
asciilifeform: (it is not scarce in the sense that there is little of it, but in the sense where it is strictly finite and conserved)
mircea_popescu: i don't think it's a matter of scarcity necessarily. that the sea flows through fjords does not mean the sea is finite.
mircea_popescu: no, just, respects the shape of larger items.
asciilifeform: looking at the religions of the past (the selfsame inca empire, my recent kick) i've come to suspect that the overall 'belief load' typical human can carry is roughly constant
asciilifeform: across various times/places
mircea_popescu: this may be a valid theory.
asciilifeform: just like the weight of knapsack a healthy young bloke can march with is roughly same today as in rome
mircea_popescu: how do you scalar the belief load tho ?
asciilifeform: this camel you only know when it's back breaks.
asciilifeform: *its
mircea_popescu: incidentally : no camel back ever breaks. the animal won't stand if it ~thinks~ it's overloaded.
asciilifeform: if camel had only slightly more forebrain, and were more like man, it could break.
asciilifeform: could convince itself to try to carry the overload.
mircea_popescu: there's some dispersion re this property in nature. some animals will eat themselves sick. some won't.
mircea_popescu: doesn't exactly relate to brain.
mircea_popescu: (horse won't, pig will, cow won't, rabbit will, etc)
asciilifeform: depends, roughly, on the scarcity of food they coevolved with.
mircea_popescu: more like variation i think. rabbits, pigs, all have this boom feeding thing.
mircea_popescu: "now is the time to eat"
asciilifeform: that would make sense.
asciilifeform: but, to revisit mircea_popescu's earlier observation, the pretense does have to respect the shape of the larger item.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you're doing palace economy studies, the inca are a dubious, mostly backward in fact and hallucinated in theory and description example. meanwhile, the late bronze age anatolia, levant and golden crescent are much better studied, understood and documented.
asciilifeform: minoans, iirc.
mircea_popescu: they were ~all palace economies, they were all wiped in the ~same half century cca 1300 bc, as the iron age begun
mircea_popescu: not just. hittites, minoans, egyptians, you name it. all fell the weight of the greek-ish "people of the sea"
asciilifeform: same re the inca, simply the iron age 'began' late for them, had to sail across the pond.
mircea_popescu: pylos, mycene, knossos, troy, hattusa, tarsus, ugarith, qadesh, byblos, there's many dozens more, all towns that were major centers [of palace economy] and were never heard from again.
mircea_popescu: in fact, the classics agree, if mostly tacitly, that the loss was indeed greater, culturally, than the end of the roman empire.
mircea_popescu: pretty much all the "ancient towns" that did make it, memphis to tyre and sardis etc were rebuilt after being sacked at that time as well.
mircea_popescu: (and to niniveh, assur, babylon in the east)
mircea_popescu: but the important point is that the highly centralized, redistributive socialism of the 1300s gave way to a very independent, village-centered economy of the early iron age.
asciilifeform: pet sayeth: 'possibly archaeologists in many cases found mondo palace and concluded - 'palace economy', centralized'
mircea_popescu: (its evolution in turn based on a very simple notion, directly accessible to the very simple minds then roaming the earth - as quarry taken is to be distributed by the hunt boss, so everything is a quarry and so everything is to be split up. this works for non-pastoral societies quite well, but when it runs into the better organised, smarter and generally more effectual shepherds and riders they get raped.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not the whole story, but yes, "pharaoh" means great house, for one thing, and it's not practical given the resources of the time to build a great house in any other system.
asciilifeform: 'convinced re the minoans given as we have writing, less so re others'
mircea_popescu: (memorably, a pharaoh of the period speaks of the HORROR of the SEVEN!!111!! ships that came and ravaged his lands. imagine - seven's enough, not even a thousand warriors' worth.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we have plenty of egyptian writings, yes. also cuneiforms variously, and aramaic mention.
asciilifeform: the '7' could be a '1, 2, 3, many' item.
mircea_popescu: could, but likely is not.
asciilifeform: or 7 fleets, etc.
mircea_popescu: lemme see if i can find it.
mircea_popescu: a here we go!
mircea_popescu: https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=5ODTCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA322#v=onepage&q&f=false
asciilifeform: lol, 'you have reached the limit for viewing!'
asciilifeform: ALL PAGES
asciilifeform: motherfuckers.
mircea_popescu: tsk,
mircea_popescu: anyway, the situation at the time is very much reminiscent of the current usg palace economy. one warrior is more than a match for many thousand "upstanding citizens". if seven ships worth 1k people sporting kalash with infinte ammo landed on us west coast, which consisted of "start-up culture" only, the result would be very much what happened at the end of the bronze age, or for that matter at the end of the aztec empire.
mircea_popescu: cortes burned the whole thing with what, five hundred men ?
mircea_popescu: shit, i could DEFINITELY burn down the ~10mn strong buenos aires with a thousand people, that were actual people ie, the sort one'd run into back in the yugoslav war days.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu could probably kill WHOLE HERD of cows with pocket knife. and then what.
mircea_popescu: and then rape the daughters and tie them seven to a pole and so on. what.
asciilifeform: 'ecologically dirty'
asciilifeform: gotta make moar somehow.
mircea_popescu: the point being - that not only is the palace economy drone incapable of living as an effectual human being. it is much more importantly UNWILLING TO BECOME ONE. which is the main point.
mircea_popescu: which is why and wherefore the wot will spread at the point of the sword and no other way.
asciilifeform: eh, grown people don't 'become' anything.
asciilifeform: they can change coats, that's pretty much it
mircea_popescu: intelligent people become anything they wish, which is incidentally the only definition of intelligence worth the mention. if not "social sciences" useful.
asciilifeform: this is so, if your 'tallest tower' is doghouse height.
mircea_popescu: not in the slightest. one doesn't follow from the other.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, i wasn't BORN a bitcoin-whatever.
asciilifeform: no pro go player worth the mention was anything other than playing full time from age 7 or so.
asciilifeform: and ditto for 1,001 items.
mircea_popescu: go isn't worth the mention.
asciilifeform: so doghouse.
mircea_popescu: not so doghouse. so "no stupid shit" house.
asciilifeform: no culture.
mircea_popescu: no palatial-style masturbation pretending to be culture.
mircea_popescu: plenty of culture, of the genuine kind.
asciilifeform: when you throw out the 'pretense', what's left? scythians on horseback, 'first ya pillage, then ya burn!1111' yarrrrrrrr
mircea_popescu: point in case : there isn't a 1% as much bitcoin-culture in all the usg.mit, usg.whartever sponsored "teams" and "think tanks" and etc of what's here.
mircea_popescu: what now ? your doghouse theory just died, turns out the doghouse's the other way.
asciilifeform: mno.
mircea_popescu: orly ?
mircea_popescu: how about computing ? the whole century's worth of palace cs yielded... 500 boatloads of "culture" and nothring right, proper or even usable.
asciilifeform: all of the components of everything we're now doing, from the basic maths to the semiconductor, are product of what mircea_popescu derides as 'palace wankery'
mircea_popescu: the ~only thing the palace does is lie.
asciilifeform: heaviside, for instance, was certainly no scythian.
asciilifeform: nor maxwell (though he could ride a mean ride)
mircea_popescu: it lies convincingly for some, but this happenstance doesn't speak in favour of their intelligence.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not product in any sense. everything we use is the accidental byproduct of what the palace would have wanted to but didn't manage to "bring under control".
mircea_popescu: we're standing on the shoulders of unreasonable and naught else.
mircea_popescu: "why won't you be reasonable, mr X!" "because i'd like to do something!"
asciilifeform: intersection of palace and scythian.
mircea_popescu: not so at all. disjunction of palace.
mircea_popescu: "everything but the palace".
asciilifeform: the folks who never ended up with palace - e.g., pashtuns - sum to 0.
mircea_popescu: this is a very scarlet herring.
mircea_popescu: incas also sum to 0.
asciilifeform: seems like you need the sinkhole.
mircea_popescu: does not seem that way, no.
mircea_popescu: you can produce examples of subhuman populations. be they there or here or anywhere, they're still subhuman, and sum to 0.
asciilifeform: where are the wholly unpalaced who sum to >0 ?
mircea_popescu: you'll have to define your terms. how about, the cussacks ? the danubian pastoral communities ? the northern carpathians woodworking culture ? what do you wish to see ?
asciilifeform: maxwell's equations.
asciilifeform: or, failing that, some element of 'what differentiates us from the monkeys'
asciilifeform: (maxwell's a good proxy as any for this)
mircea_popescu: the reason you can't see it there has to do with the definitions rather than with the fact of the matter.
mircea_popescu: i for instance count philosophy as such "differentiates" us. you apparently only count a narrow definition of math-engineering ?
asciilifeform: i deliberately picked easy case.
mircea_popescu: it only appeared in one place, thus therefore if you claim that one place was "palatial", then boom, and if you claim it isn't, then equally boom.
asciilifeform: for clarity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact still remains you picked something that only ever appeared in one place.
mircea_popescu: this moves the discussion to a debate as to the true substance of that place.
asciilifeform: can pick different example, also interesting:
asciilifeform: jp shinto temples apparently had peculiar quasimathematical ritual
asciilifeform: where, at one point, they pretty much derived elementary differential calculus.
mircea_popescu: re "towers of hanoi" ? "early blockchain! by priest hand!"
asciilifeform: however it was done as part of pointless 'glass bead game' and summed to 0.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: (partly on account of their complicated 'isolate these folks from all reality', partly because they did not simultaneously pursue artillery...)
mircea_popescu: anyway. you'll have A LOT of trouble proving 1800s england was a "palatial economy". tax was ~inexistent at the time.
asciilifeform: cambridge was a quite centralized thing.
mircea_popescu: not so. it was on the contrary, quite autonomous thing.
asciilifeform: in the sense that it was full of a buncha blokes who didn't sow or reap.
mircea_popescu: no king ever told them who to elect, for instance.
mircea_popescu: that's not a criteria. you don't sow either.
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: nor have i been lately a-piratin', yarrr
mircea_popescu: in any case : a marginally acceptable definition of "palace economy" is : tax over 50% of gdp. by this rule the usg, eu etc qualify. nothing else in the world does.
mircea_popescu: inca does qualify. nothing in europe pre napoleon does, nor does england crown pre ww1.
mircea_popescu: china qualifies about half the time, in spurts.
mircea_popescu: almost all subhuman congregations of the mongoloids in the pacific islands qualify throughout. and the similarly subhuman aztecs qualify. and most of the north american tribes.
mircea_popescu: fortunately, all this shit was buried.
asciilifeform: i suppose this is sorta like BingoBoingo's 'morbid obesity' - 49+% still 'obeast' but has not tipped the scale, no
asciilifeform: but ~same.
mircea_popescu: there's no 49% discussed here.
asciilifeform: aha, the space isn't flat
mircea_popescu: there's quite an uncanny valley between the 60-80%ish of the "civilised world" and the 5-15% of the rest.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing in between.
asciilifeform: which is interesting.
mircea_popescu: well, also natural. like any celestial body's interdicion area.
asciilifeform: i for one would like to know the curvature of the space.
mircea_popescu: you can have space dust. but NOT in this band around a planet.
asciilifeform: aha, quite like that.
mircea_popescu: so, if it goes over ~20%ish, it crosses event horizon, and rapidly collapses in 60-80%.
mircea_popescu: rarely, a 60-80% thing (soviets) will crack up and re-become 5-15%.
mircea_popescu: which sometimes drifts back to >20 and re-collapses
mircea_popescu: russia seems to be going that way, re putin's out of ideas convo.
asciilifeform: 'best known fact re empires is that they pop
asciilifeform: '
mircea_popescu: this is not so universal. some places/people can't live as independent human beings.
asciilifeform: so they die
mircea_popescu: hopefully.
mircea_popescu: sometimes they shamble on, like teh chinese for instance. i suspect the us is headed that way also.
asciilifeform: there are still, iirc, even, a few eskimos.
asciilifeform: (none, note, 'independent', then or now)
mircea_popescu: like 10
asciilifeform: sumthinglikethat
mircea_popescu: anyway, the insidiousness of christianity, as a jewish sect, is the whole "must take care of the poor" thing.
mircea_popescu: it tends to raise taxes slowly, until in a century or a millenium they reach the 20%ish threshold and then the whole thing's fucked.
asciilifeform: initially it looks like a good deal because cheaper than watching your back
asciilifeform: (or at least 'feels' cheaper, like eric naggum's 'fast bathtub')
mircea_popescu: which is why stuff like http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/ is so very important.
mircea_popescu: denying the crap is, at least to my eyes, just as important if not more important than bitcoining.
asciilifeform: interestingly the only wholly alternate ~stable~ solution to same puzzle i know of is... the castes of india
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point isn't that one wants the poor to necessarily starve. the point however is that charity may not be centralised.
mircea_popescu: anything else is acceptable, raping infants, eating your wife, whatever the fuck. but DO NOT centralize charity.
mircea_popescu: in fact, if the poor complain that charity as-is is insufficient, you're a thousand times better off simply burning them all down than trying to "optimize" it.
asciilifeform: this is tricky to get wholly right; consider, the english had ~decentralized charity, but it was plugged into a quite centralized church.
asciilifeform: and ended up... where it ended up.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the one point easily missed is that ~the one in need~ is no arbiter of the type, degree and kind of his need! the one GIVING is the sole fucking arbiter as to what the needy needs, when and how much of it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think the english had at any point decentralized charity.
mircea_popescu: nor did any christian sect, not ever.
mircea_popescu: the jews possibly did, but only under pressure from russian crown.
mircea_popescu: much like the dope dealing black people in ghetto do today.
asciilifeform: waiwut
asciilifeform: these are all plugged into the usg mains
asciilifeform: usually - directly
asciilifeform: (as per tlp's piece)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i perhaps confusingly, meant their own subjective thing, did not mean the bulk of it.
asciilifeform: ah hm
mircea_popescu: ie, when a black person gives something to another black person.
mircea_popescu: obviously they all live on walmartola.
asciilifeform: you will find that most folks distribute their walmartola quite equitably, from their own pov
mircea_popescu: but in that laboratory setting, they still live as humans, and display human behaviours, such as charity.
asciilifeform: like the hunt party.
asciilifeform: or how sov workmen readily 'worked out a bottle for three'
mircea_popescu: except, they charitize correcly : the giver as the sole arbiter of the degree, kind and type of want.
asciilifeform: normally we mention the christians as a socialist rot, but there was also the component of caste / 'dielectric insulator'
asciilifeform: as in the infamous church of england hymn, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/3668059/The-story-behind-the-hymn.html
mircea_popescu: do tell ?
mircea_popescu: sigh, ima have to read the fucking telegraph to try and guess wha you mean ?
asciilifeform: The rich man in his castle,
asciilifeform: The poor man at his gate,
asciilifeform: He made them, high or lowly,
asciilifeform: And ordered their estate.
asciilifeform: ^ snipped that was Officially Proscribed in the modern liturgy
mircea_popescu: why'd be insulation good ?
asciilifeform: so they won't arc.
mircea_popescu: but explain this. in like words.
asciilifeform: (i.e. jacquerie)
mircea_popescu: such a chinese thinker. all he wants to do is spit out a pictogram.
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: in somewhat other lulz, http://www.burbuja.info/inmobiliaria/burbuja-inmobiliaria/709069-hilo-oficial-del-bitcoin-ix-ahora-mas-burbujas-357.html
mircea_popescu: (burbuja means bubble in teh construction worker / hotel maid language)
asciilifeform: i recall the burbuja distinctly.
asciilifeform: as in mircea_popescu's stomach illness bout
mircea_popescu: hehe
asciilifeform: i for some reason inevitably recall the infamous ru army joke re the бурбулятор
asciilifeform: ( a word which has since, in 2000s, come to refer to what americans call 'bong', but was originally without a specific meaning )
mircea_popescu: perhaps also of interest, http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/the-last-psychiatrist-and-narcissism.1204561/
asciilifeform: went like this:
asciilifeform: soldier punched hole in a bucket, with nail, and said to sergeant: 'look, my brilliant invention: the burbulator. see, i pour in water, it burbles.'
asciilifeform: sergeant: 'motherfucker. you ruined a bucket. throw it into the skip and go clean latrine for the rest of the month.'
asciilifeform: the next morning, commander tours the base, says to sergeant: 'everything seems ok, but what is this nonsense, they showed me the scrapyard and your men threw out a perfectly fine burbulator!!!' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: lo
asciilifeform: it is quite impossible imho not to think of this.
asciilifeform: when burbuja.
mircea_popescu: the problem is, other soldier went "see, sargent prevents torque experiments".
asciilifeform: naturally.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lulzy re 'quantum computer miner drained mtgox'
asciilifeform: what other burbulations quietly fester in orcish heads, i wonder.
mircea_popescu: and in other social media news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/994023618e9d04441209f7233afebd83/tumblr_nmqq4e985E1t0itrxo1_500.gif
asciilifeform bbl
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, https://opensource.org/definition/ << check out the churchly shit! "no discrimination" etc.
BingoBoingo: Great Inca in the wild https://i.imgur.com/GexcTlG.gif
BingoBoingo: And Trump makes he other news http://epmonthly.com/article/72-year-old-need-c-spine-clearance-fall/
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Rashi and the Big Data time machine. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/19/rashi-and-the-big-data-time-machine/
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Bernie’s bang-on: North America’s a shithole and F1 drivers are pussies. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/19/bernies-bang-on-north-americas-a-shithole-and-f1-drivers-are-pussies/ ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1485143 <<< wow, suddenly i'm converted to BingoBoingo 's views, bernie ftw! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: remarkably, one of the better summaries of the etherape comes from... greek! http://www.bitcoin-gr.org/?p=5351
mircea_popescu: people on the outskirts naively care, i guess is the explanation.
danielpbarron: ;; later tell nubbins` 5c6c63613b0284340d4de49801107afd6cb0f77be925323ce649fce620fbd0d5 and 19dRVts7U1NaiTT69xWtvwXsSJ2yxFxw4M
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "I bet if you went to a client and presented a 200 kilobyte site template, you’d be fired. Even if it looked great and somehow included all the tracking and ads and social media crap they insisted on putting in. It’s just so far out of the realm of the imaginable at this point. " <<->> curl 'http://trilema.com' --silent --write-out 'size_download=%{size_download}\n' --output /dev/null
mircea_popescu: size_download=31702
mircea_popescu: i guess it's fortunate i'm not a client.
mircea_popescu: $up iobug
deedbot: iobug voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm << incidentally, i REALLY like this website. guy starts copacetic enough but actually takes things far enough. yes, ban any third party service, ads or anything else. website may not load any foreign elements, at all, just like it can't xss. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: yes "smart" ads etc are not smart nor useful nor productive. yes the whole "online marketing" "community" absolutely must be taken to concentration camp for a month, beaten daily, then sent to cut salt and carry tank barrels.
asciilifeform: a good ad is a dead ad.
phf: i briefly worked for an ad company, was hired to do realtime ad bidding. google and few other companies send you a request. "such and such ad space available, starting bid is this many cents, you have 500ms to formulate a response, how much you want to pay and ad url, we let you know if won." request comes with a tracking id, so by sitting on the pipe long enough and placing losing bids you were supposedly able to both build up user profiles and g
phf: et better idea of ad market, until blah blah
phf: thing is the owner was a micromanaging psychopath, so the project lead, who was trying to build a "rockstart" team and build a "kickass" product, ended up working there long enough to lay the foundation, before burning out, losing his shit, devorcing his wife, etc. but the project was a complete failure, that never the less provided a legitimate front for the company's real operations. they usual array of porn banners, dirty affiliate marketing, f
phf: acebook skins, etc.
phf: so when ad people talk about "smart" ads and shit like that i'm usually trying to imagine what their actual stream of income is.
phf: i mean i'm pretty sure the ad bid system generated at least a handful of public talks at conferences, etc, which i'm sure painted the ad company in most positive of lights.
mircea_popescu: phf the only problem here is that the ~6-800mn mouthbreather population contains a good 20 to maybe 50mn of these hard working, intelligent, dedicated folks. 99.???% of which get burned out by some idiot "boss" working within the imbecile ideological framework they got going there.
mircea_popescu: this is the true engine of change, too much fucking wastage omfg.
deedbot: [Qntra] California City Burns Through 3 Police Chiefs In 8 Days - http://qntra.net/2016/06/california-city-burns-through-3-police-chiefs-in-8-days/
mircea_popescu: lol. sherrifs neh ?
BingoBoingo: Nah, "cities" have police chiefs. Counties have Sheriffs.
BingoBoingo: Although some sheriffs departments have police cheifs too when the sheriff is a figurehead that doesn't run their department.
BingoBoingo: And Louisiana has Parishes isntead of counties so fuck them.
mircea_popescu: yeah but it's like... 1880s style california.
mircea_popescu: they shopt teh sheriff
Bugpowder: Behold!
Bugpowder: Accomplished the technical misson for the day, time to clean the BBQ grill.
mircea_popescu: wd.
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: congrats Bugpowder
Bugpowder: tyty
Bugpowder: Next up mpex.
BingoBoingo: lol http://qntra.net/2015/08/concerns-for-the-toomim-brothers-mining/#comment-61948
shinohai: qntra incoming BingoBoingo
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/UGw
gribble: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 627 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Paul Tagliamonte <tag@pault.ag>; Paul Tagliamonte <tag@anized.org>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@mit.edu>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@gmail.com>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@whube.com>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@ubuntu.com>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@fluxbox.org>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@opensource.org>; Paul Tagliamonte <ptagliamonte11@jcu.edu>; Paul Tag ☟︎
mircea_popescu: $up r00s
deedbot: r00s voiced for 30 minutes.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-15#1483036 <-- actually already covered on contravex before logs --> http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/13/the-future-of-finance-is-now-translated/ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-15 15:08 asciilifeform: 'On Friday, Secretary Penny Pritzker of the US Department of Commerce joined special assistant to the president for economic policy Adrienne Harris and other top White House officials for an event featuring a lecture from Brian Forde, director of digital currency initiative a the MIT Media Lab, and multiple panels on financial technology more generally speaking. Hosted at the Eisenhower Executive Office Build
pete_dushenski: weird that phf's logs differentiate between capitlised words and uncapitalised words. dunno if it's possible to bridge these two islands, but it'd be much appreciated.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483577 << cheers :D ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-16 16:08 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski nice job adding references.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski iirc if quoted it matches strictly and if not quoted it matches loosely.
pete_dushenski: o hey no one died in an open-cockpit racer this morning in baku. who would've predicted that raising a generation of drivers who've known neither injury nor death, no matter the speeds and stupidity of their crashes, would lead to a buncha fuckin pussies the likes of which are suitable only for perfume advertisements
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: tip o' the cap for pumping vitalik's eyes shut yesterday. made for an enjoyable saturday of log reading and trilema comment following
mircea_popescu: apparently there's a LOT of hate for usg/mit/vit-alik butt-erin/doa/etc out there.
pete_dushenski: and that bottle's never been easier to uncork
mircea_popescu: btw, why did the ethereum people misspell "dead on arrival" as "dao" anyway. too much ritalin ?
pete_dushenski: or dexedrine
pete_dushenski: 'dead as obama' may also have been the tongue-in-cheek reference
mircea_popescu: lol
pete_dushenski: the usg.mit h8 is everywhere. fuck even the shiny glowing untouchable uncriticisable aapl is getting flamed... from their own fanbois no less.
mircea_popescu: end times sorta mob behaviour.
pete_dushenski: i was trying to figure out how to shut off the ios update notifications and stumbled onto 'osxdaily' and couldn't fucking believe my eyes. cook from central casting has absolutely spent every last penny of steve's good will
pete_dushenski: comparisons to msft abounded.
pete_dushenski: rightly so, obv. but if the mouth-breathers are 'getting it', then ya... end of times eh.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski so did any girlies wet their panties over your poetry reading ?
pete_dushenski: turns out that ios will also auto-download the update as soon as you connect to wifi (it's a 200+ mb file) and harass you 2-5 PER DAY until you submit to installing it.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: stop the clocks reading ?
pete_dushenski: ios update file can be beleeted, but will still insta-respawn when connected to wifi.
mircea_popescu: yea
pete_dushenski: i'd like to think so.
mircea_popescu: win.
pete_dushenski: though i found out that the 5k of ruskie 'views' i sent to that video for shits and giggles... unhappened. they lasted for at least 3-4 months though.
mircea_popescu: how's that work ?
pete_dushenski: ask yt i guess.
mircea_popescu: no but what are you saying ?
pete_dushenski: i paid fiverr guy to 'view' a yt clip 5k times. results were delivered. several months later, yt removed those paid for 'views'. like ethereum 'rollback' i guess.
mircea_popescu: oh
mircea_popescu: what, like 5 bux for vanity sorta thing
pete_dushenski: this was when i was dipping my toes in 'tmsr pr' idea. basically just wanted to see if fiverr paid views worked, and if so, where they were coming from. turns out that the answers were "yes", "from russia", and "but only temporarily"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the special room, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1517212.0;all
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski makes sense.
pete_dushenski: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4ot3z8/dao_is_under_attack_again/ << already covered ? from 8 hrs ago.
pete_dushenski: peanuts, but still.
mircea_popescu: aww
pete_dushenski: wow, catching up on latest batch of trilema etherpocalypse comments... the spammers and welfarists are out in full force.
mircea_popescu: chasing that spotlight.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1485154 << the author runs and lives off of his small no-bullshit bookmarking and archiving (bookmark/tag sites/PDFs, be able to full-text search later etc) business pinboard.in which has this exotic (to SV crowd anyway) business model called "users pay for the service and the service delivers". i like the guy ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-19 14:22 mircea_popescu: http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm << incidentally, i REALLY like this website. guy starts copacetic enough but actually takes things far enough. yes, ban any third party service, ads or anything else. website may not load any foreign elements, at all, just like it can't xss.
pete_dushenski: but how did greek blog get through pingback filter and contravex hasn't in, what, 1.5yr+ ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger invite him over!
Framedragger: might as well, will see if i can / he responds :)
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i actually publish pingbacks, i dun think they make it over for some reason.
mircea_popescu: what ip you send them from ?
mircea_popescu: (if it's not === blog ip they fail, due to the "ddos" thing)
mircea_popescu: No results found.
pete_dushenski: strange.
mircea_popescu: i dun really think it's any sort of filter on trilema side. they might not actually make it across at all.
thestringpuller: So, they are trying to prop Ethereum. When the real crash happens...like the Too Big to Fail bailout...
shinohai: christ mircea_popescu at the wave of shitcoin beggars in those trilema comments.
mircea_popescu: hey, they wouldn't let go of mtgox until a year+ later and millions more were lost.
mircea_popescu: a fool and zir money.
shinohai: "I lost my leg in a car accident, collecting some BTC for prosthesis i really want to function normally.
shinohai: Sorry, but I'm tired of sitting at home, I dream to go for a walk."
mircea_popescu: answered him, for great justic.
shinohai: molto bene
mircea_popescu: https://s32.postimg.org/wa7qdgoyd/Mircea_Popescu.jpg&c=5-a-ZXpYGvIFcg << is this good for bitcoin ? ☟︎
pete_dushenski: is that like the black widow ?
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i've accidentally (== i fucked up) imported one mutilated key to phuctor. this key in particular http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE6E84ED0485E5C4615D47E7BF518A35F1A8DE60C6DFBBF1F60B1911839726CE - guess it can't hurt if it's there, but if/when phuctor reports broken key (that particular exponent is not prime), it's gonna be due to me being retarded and not the key.. ☟︎
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1485247 << ctrl+s to pic collection ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-19 21:51 mircea_popescu: https://s32.postimg.org/wa7qdgoyd/Mircea_Popescu.jpg&c=5-a-ZXpYGvIFcg << is this good for bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: pity no one recalls shtylman anymore.
mircea_popescu: his 2012-stylish cap looked much better than butt-erin's misshod skull.
mircea_popescu: $s bitfloor
a111: 14 results for "bitfloor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bitfloor
thestringpuller: bitdaytrade
mircea_popescu: $up fwr
deedbot: fwr voiced for 30 minutes.
Framedragger: heh: http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/telecom/internet/the-fathers-of-the-internet-revolution-urge-todays-pioneers-to-reinvent-the-web (*obviously* it starts with a full screen advertisement first) - archive.is: http://archive.is/g7pkA
mircea_popescu: that guy is epic. "we both have the same number of employees : 0.5"
fwr: help me to understand this, MPEx has been sold for 250k BTC, but the website itself is down?
mircea_popescu: it's not down, no.
mircea_popescu: and iirc it was a little bit more than 250k.
fwr: says in the blog post that it's just below that
fwr: I find this incredibly hard to believe that there is this sort of money involved
mircea_popescu: and why would that matter ?
mircea_popescu: ah you meant going private. yeah, 249k and change something.
mats: its the css
mats: if mpex had rounded rectangles fwr wouldn't have given it a second thought
mircea_popescu: it also wouldn't have been worth 100 btc.
mircea_popescu: but i guess power is relatively unimportant, fetish of power is interesting!
mats: maybe its the social proof
mats: what if he had read about it on instagram?
mats: nobody lies in articles on forbes
mats: just having some fun at your expense, fwr.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, the whole mpex/tmsr/etc thing is ~equivalent to a ten ton hammer of pure cognitive dissonance for man on clapham omnibus.
Framedragger: what's the latest mpex url? mpex.co does seem to be down, fwiw
thestringpuller: mpex.site is good
mircea_popescu: well there's a bit of a dns storm, but use old ips
thestringpuller: guess no point in using dns if you have the proxy ips
Framedragger: a yea it's dns related, not just "down". curious
thestringpuller: it's causing coinbr problems tho
thestringpuller: jurov: ^^^
jurov: xoinbr does use ips
jurov: *coinbr
jurov: but they are dying, too
mircea_popescu: $up fwr
deedbot: fwr voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: ^weird
jurov: shinohai what's that?
shinohai: that's what dns lookup for coinbr returns for me
mircea_popescu: common for aws hosted sites i think
jurov: yep it is using aws' loadbalancer
shinohai: oh their version of crapflare or sumthin
mircea_popescu: fact is, there's no practical way to run plain web servers in 2016.
jurov: heh...it's actually quite different from crapflare
jurov: mostly that a bit sophisticated attacker could cause bills for coinbr to skyrocket easily
jurov: which threat has never actually materialized in past 4 years
jurov: go figure
mircea_popescu: there's worse fates.
jurov: i'm missing out on all the conspiracies and fun!!!
jurov: burned raids!
jurov: no mysterious reboots!!!
jurov: coinbr is a failure
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1606279610030410747135438525 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE6E84ED0485E5C4615D47E7BF518A35F1A8DE60C6DFBBF1F60B1911839726CE