mircea_popescu: personally i'm much more invested in beheading the schmuck over the "web 2.0" bullshit than whatever foss drama.
mircea_popescu: someone somewhere absolutely has to hang for "web 2.0"
mircea_popescu: no, as a general rule drones hang for what they are, queens hang for what they did. there's really little other than "he's jwz" needed to hang jwz.
mircea_popescu: where's all these ugly schmucks come from. check out frank luntz for a nightmare sometime.
mircea_popescu: that said, there's a bunch of crap floating around cold fusion. a sort of quantum computing.
mircea_popescu: and the "call X for cocksucking" notices unfailingly appear in all public restrooms
mircea_popescu: (except in fucking argentina, these people are too mentally slow to even that.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is absolutely no "consensus" re early physics. there';s at least a dozen articulated theories, maybe broadly classifiable in 3-4 groups.
mircea_popescu: the only conensus would be of esltards and junior high unionized teachers.
shinohai: lol Factom up 44.97 % iisn't that the company you mentioned earlier asciilifeform
☟︎ hanbot: <asciilifeform> 'Additional criticism is levied at the group's leader, Eric Lerner, for his rejection of the mainstream consensus regarding the Big Bang, which leads to more doubt as to the group's legitimacy.' << lel << wtf is a "mainstream consensus" even, other'n subconscious acknowledgement of the utter lack of substance contained in what they'd like to be seen as doing, anyway.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-19 01:23 shinohai: lol Factom up 44.97 % iisn't that the company you mentioned earlier asciilifeform
a111: Logged on 2016-06-19 01:29 hanbot: <asciilifeform> 'Additional criticism is levied at the group's leader, Eric Lerner, for his rejection of the mainstream consensus regarding the Big Bang, which leads to more doubt as to the group's legitimacy.' << lel << wtf is a "mainstream consensus" even, other'n subconscious acknowledgement of the utter lack of substance contained in what they'd like to be seen as doing, anyway.
phf: whenever i hear of mainstream consensus... i unlock my browning
BingoBoingo: Just wait till the real DAOist posts pics of all their turkeys
mircea_popescu: well no but it's part of the asciilifeform apodicticology, "nothing that ever happens could disrupt usg".
mircea_popescu: no, on the contrary, the more it bleeds the more vigorous it gets.
mircea_popescu: fish similarly, the better it's hooked, the more it struggles.
mircea_popescu: the immense piled wealth 1850-1950 keeps on unwinding.
mircea_popescu: takes a shitload of stupid to get a world power into african level. took the russians what, a half century to unwind the last four tsars (stalin being the 4th)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nobody cares enough about fiat. all backing will be through bitcoin, because bitcoin has monopoly on currency now.
mircea_popescu: they lost that war, years ago. it's on trilema actually.
mircea_popescu: can "work" the same way everything else they do "works".
a111: Logged on 2014-11-13 19:06 asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
mircea_popescu: pretendjuice is the least finite of all resources. even today, after all the men are dead and all the women long raped into usefullness, the hittite empire pretend still lives, unsung and alone.
mircea_popescu: in a language not even understood, under many layers of dirt, the capital of name unknown never fell.
mircea_popescu: there is that. but the clockwork of pretense doesn't actually prevent the general point.
mircea_popescu: you ARE given a paper which "shows" you "own" house. right ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think it's a matter of scarcity necessarily. that the sea flows through fjords does not mean the sea is finite.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : no camel back ever breaks. the animal won't stand if it ~thinks~ it's overloaded.
mircea_popescu: there's some dispersion re this property in nature. some animals will eat themselves sick. some won't.
mircea_popescu: more like variation i think. rabbits, pigs, all have this boom feeding thing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you're doing palace economy studies, the inca are a dubious, mostly backward in fact and hallucinated in theory and description example. meanwhile, the late bronze age anatolia, levant and golden crescent are much better studied, understood and documented.
mircea_popescu: they were ~all palace economies, they were all wiped in the ~same half century cca 1300 bc, as the iron age begun
mircea_popescu: not just. hittites, minoans, egyptians, you name it. all fell the weight of the greek-ish "people of the sea"
mircea_popescu: pylos, mycene, knossos, troy, hattusa, tarsus, ugarith, qadesh, byblos, there's many dozens more, all towns that were major centers [of palace economy] and were never heard from again.
mircea_popescu: in fact, the classics agree, if mostly tacitly, that the loss was indeed greater, culturally, than the end of the roman empire.
mircea_popescu: pretty much all the "ancient towns" that did make it, memphis to tyre and sardis etc were rebuilt after being sacked at that time as well.
mircea_popescu: but the important point is that the highly centralized, redistributive socialism of the 1300s gave way to a very independent, village-centered economy of the early iron age.
mircea_popescu: (its evolution in turn based on a very simple notion, directly accessible to the very simple minds then roaming the earth - as quarry taken is to be distributed by the hunt boss, so everything is a quarry and so everything is to be split up. this works for non-pastoral societies quite well, but when it runs into the better organised, smarter and generally more effectual shepherds and riders they get raped.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not the whole story, but yes, "pharaoh" means great house, for one thing, and it's not practical given the resources of the time to build a great house in any other system.
mircea_popescu: (memorably, a pharaoh of the period speaks of the HORROR of the SEVEN!!111!! ships that came and ravaged his lands. imagine - seven's enough, not even a thousand warriors' worth.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we have plenty of egyptian writings, yes. also cuneiforms variously, and aramaic mention.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the situation at the time is very much reminiscent of the current usg palace economy. one warrior is more than a match for many thousand "upstanding citizens". if seven ships worth 1k people sporting kalash with infinte ammo landed on us west coast, which consisted of "start-up culture" only, the result would be very much what happened at the end of the bronze age, or for that matter at the end of the aztec empire.
mircea_popescu: cortes burned the whole thing with what, five hundred men ?
mircea_popescu: shit, i could DEFINITELY burn down the ~10mn strong buenos aires with a thousand people, that were actual people ie, the sort one'd run into back in the yugoslav war days.
mircea_popescu: and then rape the daughters and tie them seven to a pole and so on. what.
mircea_popescu: the point being - that not only is the palace economy drone incapable of living as an effectual human being. it is much more importantly UNWILLING TO BECOME ONE. which is the main point.
mircea_popescu: which is why and wherefore the wot will spread at the point of the sword and no other way.
mircea_popescu: intelligent people become anything they wish, which is incidentally the only definition of intelligence worth the mention. if not "social sciences" useful.
mircea_popescu: not in the slightest. one doesn't follow from the other.
mircea_popescu: no palatial-style masturbation pretending to be culture.
mircea_popescu: point in case : there isn't a 1% as much bitcoin-culture in all the usg.mit, usg.whartever sponsored "teams" and "think tanks" and etc of what's here.
mircea_popescu: what now ? your doghouse theory just died, turns out the doghouse's the other way.
mircea_popescu: how about computing ? the whole century's worth of palace cs yielded... 500 boatloads of "culture" and nothring right, proper or even usable.
mircea_popescu: it lies convincingly for some, but this happenstance doesn't speak in favour of their intelligence.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not product in any sense. everything we use is the accidental byproduct of what the palace would have wanted to but didn't manage to "bring under control".
mircea_popescu: we're standing on the shoulders of unreasonable and naught else.
mircea_popescu: "why won't you be reasonable, mr X!" "because i'd like to do something!"
mircea_popescu: you can produce examples of subhuman populations. be they there or here or anywhere, they're still subhuman, and sum to 0.
mircea_popescu: you'll have to define your terms. how about, the cussacks ? the danubian pastoral communities ? the northern carpathians woodworking culture ? what do you wish to see ?
mircea_popescu: the reason you can't see it there has to do with the definitions rather than with the fact of the matter.
mircea_popescu: i for instance count philosophy as such "differentiates" us. you apparently only count a narrow definition of math-engineering ?
mircea_popescu: it only appeared in one place, thus therefore if you claim that one place was "palatial", then boom, and if you claim it isn't, then equally boom.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact still remains you picked something that only ever appeared in one place.
mircea_popescu: this moves the discussion to a debate as to the true substance of that place.
mircea_popescu: re "towers of hanoi" ? "early blockchain! by priest hand!"
mircea_popescu: anyway. you'll have A LOT of trouble proving 1800s england was a "palatial economy". tax was ~inexistent at the time.
mircea_popescu: not so. it was on the contrary, quite autonomous thing.
mircea_popescu: in any case : a marginally acceptable definition of "palace economy" is : tax over 50% of gdp. by this rule the usg, eu etc qualify. nothing else in the world does.
mircea_popescu: inca does qualify. nothing in europe pre napoleon does, nor does england crown pre ww1.
mircea_popescu: almost all subhuman congregations of the mongoloids in the pacific islands qualify throughout. and the similarly subhuman aztecs qualify. and most of the north american tribes.
mircea_popescu: there's quite an uncanny valley between the 60-80%ish of the "civilised world" and the 5-15% of the rest.
mircea_popescu: well, also natural. like any celestial body's interdicion area.
mircea_popescu: you can have space dust. but NOT in this band around a planet.
mircea_popescu: so, if it goes over ~20%ish, it crosses event horizon, and rapidly collapses in 60-80%.
mircea_popescu: rarely, a 60-80% thing (soviets) will crack up and re-become 5-15%.
mircea_popescu: russia seems to be going that way, re putin's out of ideas convo.
mircea_popescu: this is not so universal. some places/people can't live as independent human beings.
mircea_popescu: sometimes they shamble on, like teh chinese for instance. i suspect the us is headed that way also.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the insidiousness of christianity, as a jewish sect, is the whole "must take care of the poor" thing.
mircea_popescu: it tends to raise taxes slowly, until in a century or a millenium they reach the 20%ish threshold and then the whole thing's fucked.
mircea_popescu: denying the crap is, at least to my eyes, just as important if not more important than bitcoining.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point isn't that one wants the poor to necessarily starve. the point however is that charity may not be centralised.
mircea_popescu: anything else is acceptable, raping infants, eating your wife, whatever the fuck. but DO NOT centralize charity.
mircea_popescu: in fact, if the poor complain that charity as-is is insufficient, you're a thousand times better off simply burning them all down than trying to "optimize" it.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the one point easily missed is that ~the one in need~ is no arbiter of the type, degree and kind of his need! the one GIVING is the sole fucking arbiter as to what the needy needs, when and how much of it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think the english had at any point decentralized charity.
mircea_popescu: the jews possibly did, but only under pressure from russian crown.
mircea_popescu: much like the dope dealing black people in ghetto do today.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i perhaps confusingly, meant their own subjective thing, did not mean the bulk of it.
mircea_popescu: ie, when a black person gives something to another black person.
mircea_popescu: but in that laboratory setting, they still live as humans, and display human behaviours, such as charity.
mircea_popescu: except, they charitize correcly : the giver as the sole arbiter of the degree, kind and type of want.
mircea_popescu: sigh, ima have to read the fucking telegraph to try and guess wha you mean ?
mircea_popescu: such a chinese thinker. all he wants to do is spit out a pictogram.
mircea_popescu: (burbuja means bubble in teh construction worker / hotel maid language)
mircea_popescu: the problem is, other soldier went "see, sargent prevents torque experiments".
mircea_popescu: people on the outskirts naively care, i guess is the explanation.
danielpbarron: ;; later tell nubbins` 5c6c63613b0284340d4de49801107afd6cb0f77be925323ce649fce620fbd0d5 and 19dRVts7U1NaiTT69xWtvwXsSJ2yxFxw4M
mircea_popescu: "I bet if you went to a client and presented a 200 kilobyte site template, you’d be fired. Even if it looked great and somehow included all the tracking and ads and social media crap they insisted on putting in. It’s just so far out of the realm of the imaginable at this point. " <<->> curl '
http://trilema.com' --silent --write-out 'size_download=%{size_download}\n' --output /dev/null
deedbot: iobug voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: yes "smart" ads etc are not smart nor useful nor productive. yes the whole "online marketing" "community" absolutely must be taken to concentration camp for a month, beaten daily, then sent to cut salt and carry tank barrels.
phf: i briefly worked for an ad company, was hired to do realtime ad bidding. google and few other companies send you a request. "such and such ad space available, starting bid is this many cents, you have 500ms to formulate a response, how much you want to pay and ad url, we let you know if won." request comes with a tracking id, so by sitting on the pipe long enough and placing losing bids you were supposedly able to both build up user profiles and g
phf: et better idea of ad market, until blah blah
phf: thing is the owner was a micromanaging psychopath, so the project lead, who was trying to build a "rockstart" team and build a "kickass" product, ended up working there long enough to lay the foundation, before burning out, losing his shit, devorcing his wife, etc. but the project was a complete failure, that never the less provided a legitimate front for the company's real operations. they usual array of porn banners, dirty affiliate marketing, f
phf: so when ad people talk about "smart" ads and shit like that i'm usually trying to imagine what their actual stream of income is.
phf: i mean i'm pretty sure the ad bid system generated at least a handful of public talks at conferences, etc, which i'm sure painted the ad company in most positive of lights.
mircea_popescu: phf the only problem here is that the ~6-800mn mouthbreather population contains a good 20 to maybe 50mn of these hard working, intelligent, dedicated folks. 99.???% of which get burned out by some idiot "boss" working within the imbecile ideological framework they got going there.
mircea_popescu: this is the true engine of change, too much fucking wastage omfg.
BingoBoingo: Nah, "cities" have police chiefs. Counties have Sheriffs.
BingoBoingo: Although some sheriffs departments have police cheifs too when the sheriff is a figurehead that doesn't run their department.
BingoBoingo: And Louisiana has Parishes isntead of counties so fuck them.
Bugpowder: Accomplished the technical misson for the day, time to clean the BBQ grill.
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 627 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Paul Tagliamonte <tag@pault.ag>; Paul Tagliamonte <tag@anized.org>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@mit.edu>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@gmail.com>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@whube.com>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@ubuntu.com>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@fluxbox.org>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@opensource.org>; Paul Tagliamonte <ptagliamonte11@jcu.edu>; Paul Tag
☟︎ deedbot: r00s voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-15 15:08 asciilifeform: 'On Friday, Secretary Penny Pritzker of the US Department of Commerce joined special assistant to the president for economic policy Adrienne Harris and other top White House officials for an event featuring a lecture from Brian Forde, director of digital currency initiative a the MIT Media Lab, and multiple panels on financial technology more generally speaking. Hosted at the Eisenhower Executive Office Build
pete_dushenski: weird that phf's logs differentiate between capitlised words and uncapitalised words. dunno if it's possible to bridge these two islands, but it'd be much appreciated.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-16 16:08 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski nice job adding references.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski iirc if quoted it matches strictly and if not quoted it matches loosely.
pete_dushenski: o hey no one died in an open-cockpit racer this morning in baku. who would've predicted that raising a generation of drivers who've known neither injury nor death, no matter the speeds and stupidity of their crashes, would lead to a buncha fuckin pussies the likes of which are suitable only for perfume advertisements
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: tip o' the cap for pumping vitalik's eyes shut yesterday. made for an enjoyable saturday of log reading and trilema comment following
mircea_popescu: apparently there's a LOT of hate for usg/mit/vit-alik butt-erin/doa/etc out there.
mircea_popescu: btw, why did the ethereum people misspell "dead on arrival" as "dao" anyway. too much ritalin ?
pete_dushenski: 'dead as obama' may also have been the tongue-in-cheek reference
pete_dushenski: the usg.mit h8 is everywhere. fuck even the shiny glowing untouchable uncriticisable aapl is getting flamed... from their own fanbois no less.
pete_dushenski: i was trying to figure out how to shut off the ios update notifications and stumbled onto 'osxdaily' and couldn't fucking believe my eyes. cook from central casting has absolutely spent every last penny of steve's good will
pete_dushenski: rightly so, obv. but if the mouth-breathers are 'getting it', then ya... end of times eh.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski so did any girlies wet their panties over your poetry reading ?
pete_dushenski: turns out that ios will also auto-download the update as soon as you connect to wifi (it's a 200+ mb file) and harass you 2-5 PER DAY until you submit to installing it.
pete_dushenski: ios update file can be beleeted, but will still insta-respawn when connected to wifi.
pete_dushenski: though i found out that the 5k of ruskie 'views' i sent to that video for shits and giggles... unhappened. they lasted for at least 3-4 months though.
pete_dushenski: i paid fiverr guy to 'view' a yt clip 5k times. results were delivered. several months later, yt removed those paid for 'views'. like ethereum 'rollback' i guess.
pete_dushenski: this was when i was dipping my toes in 'tmsr pr' idea. basically just wanted to see if fiverr paid views worked, and if so, where they were coming from. turns out that the answers were "yes", "from russia", and "but only temporarily"
pete_dushenski: wow, catching up on latest batch of trilema etherpocalypse comments... the spammers and welfarists are out in full force.
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1485154 << the author runs and lives off of his small no-bullshit bookmarking and archiving (bookmark/tag sites/PDFs, be able to full-text search later etc) business pinboard.in which has this exotic (to SV crowd anyway) business model called "users pay for the service and the service delivers". i like the guy
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-19 14:22 mircea_popescu:
http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm << incidentally, i REALLY like this website. guy starts copacetic enough but actually takes things far enough. yes, ban any third party service, ads or anything else. website may not load any foreign elements, at all, just like it can't xss.
pete_dushenski: but how did greek blog get through pingback filter and contravex hasn't in, what, 1.5yr+ ?
Framedragger: might as well, will see if i can / he responds :)
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i actually publish pingbacks, i dun think they make it over for some reason.
mircea_popescu: (if it's not === blog ip they fail, due to the "ddos" thing)
mircea_popescu: i dun really think it's any sort of filter on trilema side. they might not actually make it across at all.
thestringpuller: So, they are trying to prop Ethereum. When the real crash happens...like the Too Big to Fail bailout...
shinohai: christ mircea_popescu at the wave of shitcoin beggars in those trilema comments.
mircea_popescu: hey, they wouldn't let go of mtgox until a year+ later and millions more were lost.
shinohai: "I lost my leg in a car accident, collecting some BTC for prosthesis i really want to function normally.
shinohai: Sorry, but I'm tired of sitting at home, I dream to go for a walk."
mircea_popescu: his 2012-stylish cap looked much better than butt-erin's misshod skull.
deedbot: fwr voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: that guy is epic. "we both have the same number of employees : 0.5"
fwr: help me to understand this, MPEx has been sold for 250k BTC, but the website itself is down?
fwr: says in the blog post that it's just below that
fwr: I find this incredibly hard to believe that there is this sort of money involved
mircea_popescu: ah you meant going private. yeah, 249k and change something.
mats: if mpex had rounded rectangles fwr wouldn't have given it a second thought
mircea_popescu: but i guess power is relatively unimportant, fetish of power is interesting!
mats: maybe its the social proof
mats: what if he had read about it on instagram?
mats: nobody lies in articles on forbes
mats: just having some fun at your expense, fwr.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, the whole mpex/tmsr/etc thing is ~equivalent to a ten ton hammer of pure cognitive dissonance for man on clapham omnibus.
Framedragger: what's the latest mpex url? mpex.co does seem to be down, fwiw
Framedragger: a yea it's dns related, not just "down". curious
jurov: xoinbr does use ips
jurov: but they are dying, too
deedbot: fwr voiced for 30 minutes.
jurov: shinohai what's that?
shinohai: that's what dns lookup for coinbr returns for me
jurov: yep it is using aws' loadbalancer
shinohai: oh their version of crapflare or sumthin
mircea_popescu: fact is, there's no practical way to run plain web servers in 2016.
jurov: heh...it's actually quite different from crapflare
jurov: mostly that a bit sophisticated attacker could cause bills for coinbr to skyrocket easily
jurov: which threat has never actually materialized in past 4 years
jurov: i'm missing out on all the conspiracies and fun!!!
jurov: no mysterious reboots!!!
jurov: coinbr is a failure