deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: Exactly. Which is what is needed. For the record, "paving over the swamp" is coming along great, and that metaphore is wholly inadaquate for what I'm doing.
gabriel_laddel_p: Now that the "UX" is in some sense complete, I'm studying so the hardware can be swapped out from under it, exactly in the manner described by mircea_popescu earlier today.
BingoBoingo: The problem with swamp foundations is that by the time you've poured enough hydraulic cement to make footings, the cement gets heavy.
BingoBoingo: And there's a good chance some asshole nearby is running a salt plant and fucking with the water table
gabriel_laddel_p: Reviewing all the log references in the "TODO: new, better hardware" node of the manual and compiling a list of hardware that is less braindamaged. Purchasing, assembling & them selling them as the 2nd generation of Masamune.
gabriel_laddel_p: The most programmable possible. Idc if this means somebody reverse engineered the drivers, or it is documented, or it is simple enough that someone could revese engineer it, or or or
trinque: phf: log might be busted atm, or my network's wonky (just pulled everything out of boxes and reassembled, so it's possible it's me)
☟︎ gabriel_laddel_p: There was a software defined fourth NIC dropped in the logs that is pretty well documented.
trinque: mircea_popescu: downtown's great, welcomed me back last night with watching somebody drive wrong way up a one way road on the sidewalk to get to the burger joint I was at
trinque: good old houston, been a decade
trinque: the guy pulled into the place right behind a cop, who couldn't be bothered with it
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: I'm thinking of the document ben_vulpes dropped in the logs, which iirc runs on the greenarrays chip.
trinque: asciilifeform: technically he didn't. went up the sidewalk
gabriel_laddel_p: Am going to the FIG meetup group again to see if I can get a few for free...
gabriel_laddel_p: Anyways, that's the sort of stuff I'm on the lookout for when I say "incrementally swap out the underlying hardware".
gabriel_laddel_p: I know nothing about hardware. All I've got is a list of log lines where you talk about hardware that sucks less, and each and every time I record it.
trinque: gabriel_laddel_p: what happened to that www archiver you talked about for a minute?
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: I wrote most of the code, got a machine to host it, and.... a bunch of nonsense has prevented me from getting to sf and setting it up.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: I have not forgotten about #masamune either, but life moves slower than I want it to/thought it would.
gabriel_laddel_p: tbh I would have thought phf would have seen the masamune video & flown out here to get his free install the next day, but apparently the rest of you are less excited about this than I am
☟︎ trinque: gabriel_laddel_p: I proposed something to you, did I not?
trinque: you ignored it because it wasn't california enough
trinque: gabriel_laddel_p: perhaps read the email when I bother to write you back
trinque: I sit here in a town full of oil business
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: if only I had amphetamines I'd have a place to sleep...
gabriel_laddel_p: fking annoying b/c it is EVERYWHERE around here, but I simply don't know anyone. Eg there was a 200lb meth bust miles from where I am staying.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: I read your email and filed it under "never gonna happen".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and funny that nobody disputes all that nonsense, either.
mircea_popescu: most of tumblr is inept sjw-ing and poor-people-preoccupations.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd still piuss all opver it. by that point, what do you have to lose.
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a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 02:44 trinque: phf: log might be busted atm, or my network's wonky (just pulled everything out of boxes and reassembled, so it's possible it's me)
gabriel_laddel_p: that californians don't follow any laws and don't prosecute one another.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: people openly sell LSD all the time out here. I was given a vial of liquid for free a few months ago
gabriel_laddel_p: the general lesson of that trip: "I'm not learning anything by hacking CL anymore, time to do something new"
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 02:54 gabriel_laddel_p: tbh I would have thought phf would have seen the masamune video & flown out here to get his free install the next day, but apparently the rest of you are less excited about this than I am
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel_p> asciilifeform: if only I had amphetamines I'd have a place to sleep... << You know... There's GIRLS at NA meetings
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: it remains. Eg, presently reading - Brousentsov's Ternary Principle, Bergman's Number System and Ternary Mirror-symmetrical Arithmetic
phf: but there was none of that, because there wasn't actually anything being done. i think it would be a lot more impressive if you setup a non trivial task and showed how masamune makes that task easier to perform
☟︎ gabriel_laddel_p: phf: even if I gave you a list of all the packages, it would take ~6months to get everything playing nicely.
BingoBoingo: And some of those GIRLS at NA meetings might have places for sleeping!
phf: well, i wouldn't go as far as playing nicely either. you have a clim editor, that you can theoretically extend in all kinds of interesting ways, yet you're still using it in combination with the emacs, etc.
BingoBoingo: Well if you aren't sure drugs aren't part of problem keeping you from a mailing address feel free to keep trying them.
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: nobody is going to drop all of their emacs packages & workflow overnight to learn a new system. Emacs is going to stick around until new hardware is made.
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: if you have ideas of what is to be done when the whole CLIM process freezes, please, do let me know.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: From what I understand "Acid Trip Jackpot Ideas" are like Elliot's powerball tickets...
mircea_popescu: i like how he keeps picking random people to be aggressive with.
phf: my solutions to problems like that don't usually involve "bring in a 40mb package". i'd write a top level handler, that shows a modal x11 based repl/restart machinery. sort of poor man's genera
☟︎ trinque: gabriel_laddel_p: your "I will sell computers" is never going to happen.
trinque: he's just here to argue with himself to charge up the courage to I dunno, do a bump of meth, or not do a bump of meth, or w/e
trinque: I couldn't give a shit less
trinque: the thing about addicts is that it's their *entire* pattern of behaving, defines the whole thing
trinque: the chorus of "when will you learn" is part of the masturbation
trinque: "fuck you mom I'm an artist"
trinque: gabriel_laddel_p: you do realize that there are several folks here that have made money doing exactly the kind of consulting I described?
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: making money is easy. making money doing something _meaningful_ is the difficult part.
trinque: yeah I worked for the alcoholic waiting for meaning in his life long enough
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: I never wanted to be a great inventor. Still don't.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: hm? that's from your link
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: exactly. You said "shame she can't pose", I started to hunt for _that exact photo_ and then you dropped it into the logs
ben_vulpes: yeah that's not a particularly good pose
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel_p> BingoBoingo: "I should study more" isn't a winning idea. GTFO. << Please study more drugs. Gain experience. Maybe things work out for you and can do the right about face learning to drug like a gentleman.
gabriel_laddel_p: BingoBoingo: and what, pray tell does "drug like a gentleman" look like?
gabriel_laddel_p: and to be clear - the only reason I had that LSD is because someone I've never met gave it to me. for free.
trinque: so we're doing this thing where we're extras, while he convinces himself he's doing fine?
BingoBoingo: Well, like Erdos, except... with mailing address.
BingoBoingo: Also ty asciilifeform and mircea_popescu for getting a pretty little FUCKGOAT to my mailing address
ben_vulpes: do forgive the relentless agw drum-beatin', the photos are awesome
phf: on recommendation of qntra i bought a copy of "The Camp of The Saints". i'm hoping it'll teach me about the great again
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, other than danielpbarron
BingoBoingo: In other news thermoplastic hose clamps on plasticar are still holding 100% of fluid one day and ~1/4 tank of gas later
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1011.0, vol: 6276.01099182 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1041.411, vol: 7044.08486 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1011.4, vol: 19473.97261877 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1004.782548, vol: 3225.73610000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1010.27, vol: 2189.93770377 | Volume-weighted last average: 1016.24349885
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 458664 | Current Difficulty: 4.75705205061E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 459647 | Next Difficulty In: 983 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 8 hours, 19 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
ben_vulpes: jeeeesus the bruce sterling sxsw talk is fun
ben_vulpes: (paraphrasing) "ubi is great. pay off the taker class, and let the rich white guys who control all the capital and wrote the deep learning shit that took the bottom out of the commodity labor market make all the resource allocation decisions."
☟︎ Framedragger: asciilifeform: parcel arrived at delivery office but (lol i was right) got held up by customs :D
Framedragger: never happened before, will be fun to inquire why
Framedragger: (i think it's just because there's a customs fee to be paid but will see - lulzy)
mircea_popescu submits qntra story, "terrorist going by Framedragger on deep web nicked by vigilant state agentura over DRUGS and CHILD PRONZ SHIPPED THROUGH STATE MAIL!!11 HONEST HE DID!"
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 06:21 ben_vulpes: (paraphrasing) "ubi is great. pay off the taker class, and let the rich white guys who control all the capital and wrote the deep learning shit that took the bottom out of the commodity labor market make all the resource allocation decisions."
Framedragger: ycumbinator is funding some kind of experiment or some shit iirc
mircea_popescu: yeah, last ditch desperate attempt to keep the "real estate values" from going to the ~1 yuan / sqft reality sees them at.
☟︎ shinohai remembers when reddit did a ubi "experiment" that gave PENNIES in Bitcoin to schmucks, was shut down by Ellen Pao
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 13:48 mircea_popescu: yeah, last ditch desperate attempt to keep the "real estate values" from going to the ~1 yuan / sqft reality sees them at.
mircea_popescu: of course it would. currently they dispose of about 1.5k a month.
mircea_popescu: bout a third of which goes towards supporting the nonsensical notion that real estate in the us is actually worth money.
mircea_popescu: you know, chumpatrons are a thing, yes, but there's no 0 cost extraction. there's plenty of chumps who, while carrying nonzero chumpatronium, are also worth below 0 on the chumpatron raw materials market.
mircea_popescu: the us peons, much like the argentines (and every passing month more like the argentines) are not actually worth quartering the carcass.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but part and parcel of that algo is that... real estate in the us... is not worth money.
mircea_popescu: and last i checked you had to be in their party presidium whatever to qualify for deed issuance in colonies.
mircea_popescu: in related lulz : girl here got invited to a 5 day "history of argentina" "workshop". the schedule ? 4 days discussing "democracia".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the only point of argentine history worth even casual inspection is de rosas. who -- very pointedly NOT democracia. the contrary of democracia.
mircea_popescu: but, notably, he was unanimously voted in power. something stalin ever tried to pretend to and emulate. guy had it naturally, people fucking loved him.
mircea_popescu: to this day it burns the libertard, the fact that no, democracy is NOT popular. rosas is.
mircea_popescu: pretty much throughout, actually. dude was like 80 when he died.
mircea_popescu: anyway. strong law-and-order ticket, repressed the bums (social group that today in the us masquerades as "students") and so on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eventually the kingdom of brazil defeated them and he left yea.
mircea_popescu: certainly a much more respectable, as well as effectual, historical figure.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: had a few amusing scenarios for how 'ubi' might play out: "massive army", "un camps, did you know they've got refugee camps down to the point where it costs 1200 us/year to mostly keep them from killing each other?", "genocide" etc
mircea_popescu: afghanistan fambly lived happily for 1k/year pre usg tardation, for instance.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: ofc what that 1.2k per annum buys is depressingly further downmarket from the traditional afghani lifestyle
ben_vulpes: which is right in line with other threads elsewhere about how we got cvasi-marxism, where we vote ourselves more stuff every year but what gets delivered is a plastic sham of what was ordered. looks like everything is going to be free, but that 'everything' just serves to keep us anchored to our pocketscreens
ben_vulpes: and entirely unsurprisingly, the slippage on the country-wide market-clearing buy order doesn't show up in price (no, that'd hose the inflation numbers) but in crapflation
mircea_popescu: why use the mechanisms that work (but they work! which is unfair!11) when you could use no mechanisms at all and dream a little dream of things.
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd be muych surprised if the average bloke in the us wouldn't actually prefer living as 1997 average afghanistani instead.
ben_vulpes: nah, he's been drinking progesterone from the recycled water for so long he's practically a woman
mircea_popescu: pretty sure average afghani woman happier than anything watching "friends"
mod6: ben_vulpes: niiiice.
ben_vulpes: may quite well be the case that babe who lives to obey and satisfy her man is far happier than careerist, independent, "i'll buy whatever dumb vehicle my emotions push me to!", but have fun making that sale to the americans attached to equality-at-any-cost
ben_vulpes: i saw this poster with some female athlete's face and burst out laughing the other day
ben_vulpes: "fucking what? you need your own leagues to even take a podium spot."
mircea_popescu: it's not nearly as unilateral as all that. 20yo afghani female is actually competent and appreciated for her competence. this is a damn sight more than anything hilary clinton ever achieved in her sad, contorted stump of a life
mircea_popescu: let alone all the wanna-bes looking in through the front window.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> "fucking what? you need your own leagues to even take a podium spot." << heheh
ben_vulpes: five minutes later i realized it was a commentary on /race/ and not /sex/
ben_vulpes: and it looks like we're stuck with the aca.
ben_vulpes: > blessing /dev/sda2 with Holy Penguin Pee << wat
trinque: isn't bless the "make bootable" thinger on a mac?
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 19:28 mircea_popescu: afghanistan fambly lived happily for 1k/year pre usg tardation, for instance.
trinque: "From a privacy standpoint, Schnorr allows the entire policy of the multisig to be obscured and indistinguishable from a conventional single pubkey." << and what happens when the indistinguishability flows the other way...
trinque: and I take the above to mean they'd be able to craft multi-sig transactions that are signature equivalent to a single-sig I create.
a111: Logged on 2015-12-27 17:38 asciilifeform: 'It is about sending a strong message. I think we may need to start an accreditation scheme for Bitcoin-consensus compliant wallets and services. Through code signing and use of multisig, we can even distinguish transactions made by compliant wallets and non-compliant wallets, and have pools not mine them (or wallets refuse to send to known-non-compliant wallets).'
trinque: I expect that the Snore signature is easily collided by some means; obviously I'm not sitting here with the exploit in hand.
☟︎ trinque: and that the intent is to be able to malleate transactions into multisig
trinque: they say in the article that they would want to convert the whole existing chain to this scheme
trinque: it's not clear; they propose replacing the existing signature checking OPs entirely, so maybe the crackpot idea is schnorr past certain block
trinque: if replaced, I dunno how anyone would -verifyall
trinque: sometimes it's hard to contort oneself to the fatlogic required to read these things
deedbot: TomServo voiced for 30 minutes.
TomServo: Didn't see mention in the logs.
TomServo: Mine ran like that until presently, when I restarted it. Waiting to see what happens.
TomServo: asciilifeform: time is okay, other than trb logs being gmt system is cdt. disk okay. Yes, earliest.
TomServo: I just tail for height, I'm going through the whole debug now.
TomServo: Hmmm, little late to be getting caught up with daylight savings..
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: comparing timestamps above and below vs ?
TomServo: Don't waste any more time on it. I'll verify some things.
ben_vulpes: yeah i see it now. the ~~ ~~ confused me.
TomServo: Not quite a 1G, I have to restart it a lot. I'll find somewhere for it.
TomServo: I'm starting with a -logtimestamps switch.
deedbot: TomServo voiced for 30 minutes.
TomServo: Before my voice goes, trinque how do I get unwiped from the wot?
TomServo: If I recall, there was a case sensitivity issue during the schism
TomServo: ben_vulpes: I had ratings previously.
trinque: TomServo: I didn't delete any data, but I'm happy to look into it.
trinque: lemme see what was in the original export
trinque: TomServo: ah yep I see what's wrong, fixing it
trinque: !!gettrust deedbot TomServo
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
trinque: TomServo: teh ministry of deedbutt thanks you for your report