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deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5E75433AB8F5C8DC0E3AB8E326083C24393A3C26C31FC11F4AB5CFE078DFF36D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1383...2487 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.19.150.129 (ssh-rsa key from 195.19.150.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU KYA)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5E75433AB8F5C8DC0E3AB8E326083C24393A3C26C31FC11F4AB5CFE078DFF36D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1364...9587 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.19.150.129 (ssh-rsa key from 195.19.150.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU KYA)
mod6: evening!
mircea_popescu: so how's teh downtown.
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/03/23/twelve-thousand-kay-with-jay/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Twelve thousand kay with Jay.
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel_p
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: persistent fella.
BingoBoingo: lol, phaeton
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: Exactly. Which is what is needed. For the record, "paving over the swamp" is coming along great, and that metaphore is wholly inadaquate for what I'm doing.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: do tell
gabriel_laddel_p: Now that the "UX" is in some sense complete, I'm studying so the hardware can be swapped out from under it, exactly in the manner described by mircea_popescu earlier today.
asciilifeform: what, approximately, do you have in mind, gabriel_laddel_p ?
BingoBoingo: The problem with swamp foundations is that by the time you've poured enough hydraulic cement to make footings, the cement gets heavy.
BingoBoingo: And there's a good chance some asshole nearby is running a salt plant and fucking with the water table
mircea_popescu: but the 6th castle stayed up!
gabriel_laddel_p: Reviewing all the log references in the "TODO: new, better hardware" node of the manual and compiling a list of hardware that is less braindamaged. Purchasing, assembling & them selling them as the 2nd generation of Masamune.
asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: lmfao
gabriel_laddel_p: (this is 2/3 years off)
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: what means 'less braindamaged'
asciilifeform: in this context
gabriel_laddel_p: The most programmable possible. Idc if this means somebody reverse engineered the drivers, or it is documented, or it is simple enough that someone could revese engineer it, or or or
asciilifeform: where, for example, do i buy a nic that doesn't dma ? or a cpu that works with it.
asciilifeform: i'll buy right now. where are they.
trinque: phf: log might be busted atm, or my network's wonky (just pulled everything out of boxes and reassembled, so it's possible it's me) ☟︎
gabriel_laddel_p: There was a software defined fourth NIC dropped in the logs that is pretty well documented.
asciilifeform: trinque: the bot dropped off earlier
trinque: ah
mircea_popescu: no a111 atm
trinque: mircea_popescu: downtown's great, welcomed me back last night with watching somebody drive wrong way up a one way road on the sidewalk to get to the burger joint I was at
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: if you're thinking of nic-on-xilinx, every single one (with the exception of the 10BaseT half-duplex that's floated around since 1990s) relies on a xilinx-proprietary fabric turd
mircea_popescu: ha!
asciilifeform: (i.e. is not valid raw verilog)
trinque: good old houston, been a decade
trinque: the guy pulled into the place right behind a cop, who couldn't be bothered with it
asciilifeform: trinque: i've always wondered who drives against traffic, and why. perhaps -- a brit
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: I'm thinking of the document ben_vulpes dropped in the logs, which iirc runs on the greenarrays chip.
trinque: asciilifeform: technically he didn't. went up the sidewalk
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: greenarrays is neato. do you have one ?
gabriel_laddel_p: Nope.
asciilifeform: tricky to port something to it, if you dun have one. (i'm not aware of there being an emulator)
gabriel_laddel_p: Am going to the FIG meetup group again to see if I can get a few for free...
asciilifeform: i'd luvv to play with greenarrays, but refrained because i'm quite certain they will not outlive chuck moor
asciilifeform: ( even now, he is alive, and they are ~unobtainable )
gabriel_laddel_p: Everyone associated with forth is ugly, which worries me.
asciilifeform: lel
asciilifeform: moor is what, 80 y.o. nao?
asciilifeform: 90?
gabriel_laddel_p: Perhaps his fab equipment will be auctioned off when he dies.
gabriel_laddel_p: Anyways, that's the sort of stuff I'm on the lookout for when I say "incrementally swap out the underlying hardware".
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: he's fabless
asciilifeform: ( y'know, like most ic sellers -- he pays someone to make'em )
gabriel_laddel_p: I know nothing about hardware. All I've got is a list of log lines where you talk about hardware that sucks less, and each and every time I record it.
trinque: gabriel_laddel_p: what happened to that www archiver you talked about for a minute?
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: I wrote most of the code, got a machine to host it, and.... a bunch of nonsense has prevented me from getting to sf and setting it up.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: get a copy of, e.g., hennessey & patterson. and read.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: I have not forgotten about #masamune either, but life moves slower than I want it to/thought it would.
gabriel_laddel_p: tbh I would have thought phf would have seen the masamune video & flown out here to get his free install the next day, but apparently the rest of you are less excited about this than I am ☟︎
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: do you have a place to live yet ?
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: nah
asciilifeform: it really helps in re making hardware, i swear
asciilifeform: y'know, having a place to put.
gabriel_laddel_p: masamune did pay for my new shoes, clothes & weed though.
trinque: gabriel_laddel_p: I proposed something to you, did I not?
trinque: you ignored it because it wasn't california enough
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: this type of life has worked for programmers (e.g., rms, though he did eventually turn into a human mushroom, and i do not think it was pure chance)
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: what did you propose?
asciilifeform: but not for hardware folx!!
trinque: gabriel_laddel_p: perhaps read the email when I bother to write you back
trinque: I sit here in a town full of oil business
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p when was the last time you had a full night's sleep ? or a proper meal ?
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: 8-10 hours ago?
asciilifeform: ( perhaps ought to point out : amphetamine is not food, and also is not sleep )
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: if only I had amphetamines I'd have a place to sleep...
asciilifeform: aaah lolk
gabriel_laddel_p: fking annoying b/c it is EVERYWHERE around here, but I simply don't know anyone. Eg there was a 200lb meth bust miles from where I am staying.
gabriel_laddel_p: and if tumblr is to be trusted, it is very pure.
mircea_popescu: meth != amphetamine.
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: I don't like the regular stuff (adderall).
mircea_popescu: also notrly.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: ~all dope turns, 'magically', into 100% purity, when busted in usa. it is a peculiarity of the prosecutorial system, moar pure --> moar sentence
asciilifeform: for instance, a kg of lsd has, in all likelihood, never existed on planet3, but ~every single trial of american makers of it has involved such a qty or larger
asciilifeform: the feedstock is counted as 'pure product'.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: https://annoyinglysparklyreview.tumblr.com/ < if you look into the tumblr tags she uses you can track where the meth routes are in CA. people post pictures all the time. I have FACES of dealers a few miles from me.
gabriel_laddel_p: it all appears to be of high quality & coming from mexico
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: I read your email and filed it under "never gonna happen".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and funny that nobody disputes all that nonsense, either.
asciilifeform: lol just when i thought mircea_popescu had linked to every possible type of tmblr
mircea_popescu: nah i link a very narrow selection
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ianal, but iirc it is postulated by statute
mircea_popescu: most of tumblr is inept sjw-ing and poor-people-preoccupations.
asciilifeform: and cemented by precedent. so only removable by thermonuke.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd still piuss all opver it. by that point, what do you have to lose.
asciilifeform not deep scholar of subj, and has nfi what has been tried in the show trials, and with what result.
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel_p
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: https://methed-up-cat-addict.tumblr.com/image/152333318381 < looks pure to me.
gabriel_laddel_p: guy lives within a train ride.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632128 << i think stability issues are mostly digitalocean related at the moment. because i couldn't connect to log, and once i did bot autorecovered ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 02:44 trinque: phf: log might be busted atm, or my network's wonky (just pulled everything out of boxes and reassembled, so it's possible it's me)
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: do you recall the death ray thread ?
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: no?
asciilifeform: when $contraband is advertised openly on www, what do you suppose you'll find when you knock on the door.
gabriel_laddel_p: that californians don't follow any laws and don't prosecute one another.
gabriel_laddel_p: and that the local police are bought off
mircea_popescu: he's actually not that far off.
mircea_popescu: lazy bums abound in teh sunshine state.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: people openly sell LSD all the time out here. I was given a vial of liquid for free a few months ago
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: did it work ?
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: ya
mircea_popescu: "evidently"
asciilifeform: i'd ask 'what didja learn from it' but it is probably a mistake.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: it was what sparked my interest in physics.
gabriel_laddel_p: the general lesson of that trip: "I'm not learning anything by hacking CL anymore, time to do something new"
asciilifeform: this interest, is it active only when dosed ? or remains after.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632161 << i just didn't think the video was good. i also can install all the individual packages that are involved, but i wanted to see if and how the symbiosis makes you more productive ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 02:54 gabriel_laddel_p: tbh I would have thought phf would have seen the masamune video & flown out here to get his free install the next day, but apparently the rest of you are less excited about this than I am
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel_p> asciilifeform: if only I had amphetamines I'd have a place to sleep... << You know... There's GIRLS at NA meetings
asciilifeform: fwiw i walked away with same impression as phf
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: it remains. Eg, presently reading - Brousentsov's Ternary Principle, Bergman's Number System and Ternary Mirror-symmetrical Arithmetic
phf: but there was none of that, because there wasn't actually anything being done. i think it would be a lot more impressive if you setup a non trivial task and showed how masamune makes that task easier to perform ☟︎
asciilifeform: i had nfi what brousentsov's thing existed in engl.
asciilifeform: *that
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: even if I gave you a list of all the packages, it would take ~6months to get everything playing nicely.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel_p: phf has it. use kalman reti's infamous bolix movie as a guide.
phf: ^
BingoBoingo: And some of those GIRLS at NA meetings might have places for sleeping!
gabriel_laddel_p: BingoBoingo: and they suck enough at life to end up in NA...
phf: well, i wouldn't go as far as playing nicely either. you have a clim editor, that you can theoretically extend in all kinds of interesting ways, yet you're still using it in combination with the emacs, etc.
BingoBoingo: Well if you aren't sure drugs aren't part of problem keeping you from a mailing address feel free to keep trying them.
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: nobody is going to drop all of their emacs packages & workflow overnight to learn a new system. Emacs is going to stick around until new hardware is made.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the depressing part, d00d seems to be 'chasing dragon', appears to think that the Ultimate Dope is waiting, somewhere, to be found, wunderwaffen, will bring victory.
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: also, errors in the CLIM debugger need to go somewhere.
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: if you have ideas of what is to be done when the whole CLIM process freezes, please, do let me know.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: From what I understand "Acid Trip Jackpot Ideas" are like Elliot's powerball tickets...
gabriel_laddel_p: BingoBoingo: "I should study more" isn't a winning idea. GTFO. ☟︎
gabriel_laddel_p: useless puritan idiocy
mircea_popescu: i like how he keeps picking random people to be aggressive with.
ben_vulpes: heh https://annoyinglysparklyreview.tumblr.com/tagged/tweaker-girls
ben_vulpes: shame she can't you know pose
phf: my solutions to problems like that don't usually involve "bring in a 40mb package". i'd write a top level handler, that shows a modal x11 based repl/restart machinery. sort of poor man's genera ☟︎
trinque: gabriel_laddel_p: your "I will sell computers" is never going to happen.
mircea_popescu: that's what they told flaubert also!
asciilifeform: i could tell gabriel_laddel_p that when i was a small boy, i also wanted somebody to go straight to 'great inventing' without all thar book larnin'
asciilifeform: but it won't help.
trinque: he's just here to argue with himself to charge up the courage to I dunno, do a bump of meth, or not do a bump of meth, or w/e
trinque: I couldn't give a shit less
trinque: the thing about addicts is that it's their *entire* pattern of behaving, defines the whole thing
asciilifeform: at least pre-sobriety BingoBoingo , say, was calm.
trinque: the chorus of "when will you learn" is part of the masturbation
trinque: "fuck you mom I'm an artist"
ben_vulpes: but at least the meth is burning the timid out: https://68.media.tumblr.com/b3c13481af4b0bd8b00da01226e327fe/tumblr_olsuewX3Bs1vhml3xo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: not so sure that's a sane comparison.
trinque: gabriel_laddel_p: you do realize that there are several folks here that have made money doing exactly the kind of consulting I described?
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: making money is easy. making money doing something _meaningful_ is the difficult part.
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: right.
trinque: yeah I worked for the alcoholic waiting for meaning in his life long enough
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: I never wanted to be a great inventor. Still don't.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, anyone seen search and destroy ?
mircea_popescu: little gem of a scorsese movie.
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: I your taste.
gabriel_laddel_p: *applaud
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: I'm only here because ascii mentioned me earlier.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: hm? that's from your link
gabriel_laddel_p: ben_vulpes: exactly. You said "shame she can't pose", I started to hunt for _that exact photo_ and then you dropped it into the logs
ben_vulpes: yeah that's not a particularly good pose
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel_p> BingoBoingo: "I should study more" isn't a winning idea. GTFO. << Please study more drugs. Gain experience. Maybe things work out for you and can do the right about face learning to drug like a gentleman.
gabriel_laddel_p: BingoBoingo: and what, pray tell does "drug like a gentleman" look like?
gabriel_laddel_p: and to be clear - the only reason I had that LSD is because someone I've never met gave it to me. for free.
trinque: so we're doing this thing where we're extras, while he convinces himself he's doing fine?
BingoBoingo: Well, like Erdos, except... with mailing address.
BingoBoingo: Also ty asciilifeform and mircea_popescu for getting a pretty little FUCKGOAT to my mailing address
mircea_popescu: o hey.
BingoBoingo: Arrived earlier this week
ben_vulpes: in other cow farts: http://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/news/n0905-7000-underground-gas-bubbles-poised-to-explode-in-arctic/
ben_vulpes: do forgive the relentless agw drum-beatin', the photos are awesome
phf: on recommendation of qntra i bought a copy of "The Camp of The Saints". i'm hoping it'll teach me about the great again
asciilifeform: lolneato
asciilifeform: and congrats BingoBoingo .
asciilifeform: 1st confirmed receipt.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, other than danielpbarron
asciilifeform: yea
asciilifeform: he got all of the rev1 units
BingoBoingo: The PCB is beautifully glossy
BingoBoingo: In other news thermoplastic hose clamps on plasticar are still holding 100% of fluid one day and ~1/4 tank of gas later
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1011.0, vol: 6276.01099182 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1041.411, vol: 7044.08486 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1011.4, vol: 19473.97261877 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1004.782548, vol: 3225.73610000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1010.27, vol: 2189.93770377 | Volume-weighted last average: 1016.24349885
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 458664 | Current Difficulty: 4.75705205061E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 459647 | Next Difficulty In: 983 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 8 hours, 19 minutes, and 35 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DD0E3BF781D9B479A5A11759C4734E7CE1B0337D61A5BCA40DA463A043E15F5B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1489...1257 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.121.14.60 (ssh-rsa key from 87.121.14.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (smokeping.telecablenet.com. BG 13)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DD0E3BF781D9B479A5A11759C4734E7CE1B0337D61A5BCA40DA463A043E15F5B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1523...0437 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.121.14.60 (ssh-rsa key from 87.121.14.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (smokeping.telecablenet.com. BG 13)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/89F2BE8C94DAD5488600E218B2222796FDD09E4DCBE514B8950303B881F296E7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1428...2217 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.174.144.169 (ssh-rsa key from 80.174.144.169 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (80.174.144.169.dyn.user.ono.com. ES B CT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/89F2BE8C94DAD5488600E218B2222796FDD09E4DCBE514B8950303B881F296E7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1597...5647 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.174.144.169 (ssh-rsa key from 80.174.144.169 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (80.174.144.169.dyn.user.ono.com. ES B CT)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1D1931707C20DD7D7544512D8996E77CB83EAA7332A20F0B2975F28A9B21CF83 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1375...1783 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.163.154.248 (ssh-rsa key from 83.163.154.248 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (a83-163-154-248.adsl.xs4all.nl. NL)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1D1931707C20DD7D7544512D8996E77CB83EAA7332A20F0B2975F28A9B21CF83 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1724...8379 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.163.154.248 (ssh-rsa key from 83.163.154.248 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (a83-163-154-248.adsl.xs4all.nl. NL)
ben_vulpes: jeeeesus the bruce sterling sxsw talk is fun
ben_vulpes: (paraphrasing) "ubi is great. pay off the taker class, and let the rich white guys who control all the capital and wrote the deep learning shit that took the bottom out of the commodity labor market make all the resource allocation decisions." ☟︎
Framedragger: asciilifeform: parcel arrived at delivery office but (lol i was right) got held up by customs :D
Framedragger: never happened before, will be fun to inquire why
Framedragger: (i think it's just because there's a customs fee to be paid but will see - lulzy)
mircea_popescu submits qntra story, "terrorist going by Framedragger on deep web nicked by vigilant state agentura over DRUGS and CHILD PRONZ SHIPPED THROUGH STATE MAIL!!11 HONEST HE DID!"
shinohai: kek
Framedragger: *HER MAJESTY'S* mail
mircea_popescu: on questioning he had this to say : "tis a fair cop."
Framedragger: :D totally
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632301 << what's ubi ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 06:21 ben_vulpes: (paraphrasing) "ubi is great. pay off the taker class, and let the rich white guys who control all the capital and wrote the deep learning shit that took the bottom out of the commodity labor market make all the resource allocation decisions."
Framedragger: (universal) basic income i assume
asciilifeform: Framedragger: aka landlord payola, lol ☟︎
Framedragger: ycumbinator is funding some kind of experiment or some shit iirc
mircea_popescu: yeah, last ditch desperate attempt to keep the "real estate values" from going to the ~1 yuan / sqft reality sees them at. ☟︎
shinohai remembers when reddit did a ubi "experiment" that gave PENNIES in Bitcoin to schmucks, was shut down by Ellen Pao
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/once-upon-a-time-in-cairo/ << Trilema - Once upon a time in Cairo
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4441079067885945F7C03C3BB9E8095A9892FC0F75477ACB5BF267F82E177ADD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1709...7889 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.145.194.72 (ssh-rsa key from 217.145.194.72 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (LaszloCukPaka.MadNet.sk. SK NI)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4441079067885945F7C03C3BB9E8095A9892FC0F75477ACB5BF267F82E177ADD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1687...4569 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.145.194.72 (ssh-rsa key from 217.145.194.72 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (LaszloCukPaka.MadNet.sk. SK NI)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632315 << hard to picture that giving lusers 1k$/mo ea. would visibly nudge the pricing from lizard pov ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 13:48 mircea_popescu: yeah, last ditch desperate attempt to keep the "real estate values" from going to the ~1 yuan / sqft reality sees them at.
asciilifeform: ( from luser pov -- price is 'exactly same', landlord simply collects the usg payola )
asciilifeform: LaszloCukPaka.MadNet.sk << deserves some sort of medal for sheer orc host name. unfortunately -- dead.
mircea_popescu: of course it would. currently they dispose of about 1.5k a month.
mircea_popescu: bout a third of which goes towards supporting the nonsensical notion that real estate in the us is actually worth money.
asciilifeform: for so long as there's any money in usa, it is 'worth money', purely mechanically, that's how money is collected from the peons
mircea_popescu: you know, chumpatrons are a thing, yes, but there's no 0 cost extraction. there's plenty of chumps who, while carrying nonzero chumpatronium, are also worth below 0 on the chumpatron raw materials market.
asciilifeform: aha, just like petro
mircea_popescu: the us peons, much like the argentines (and every passing month more like the argentines) are not actually worth quartering the carcass.
mircea_popescu: think "kreutzfeld cattle".
asciilifeform: the reliable pill is of course the chinese-in-africa algo
mircea_popescu: and it is quite literally bovine sjw encephalopathy.
asciilifeform: barbed wire , mine field, machine gun for the locals who are slow to get the message; imported slaves working inside, extracting molybdenum or whichever.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but part and parcel of that algo is that... real estate in the us... is not worth money.
mircea_popescu: not unless you get chinese deeds at any rate.
mircea_popescu: and last i checked you had to be in their party presidium whatever to qualify for deed issuance in colonies.
asciilifeform: seems likely
mircea_popescu: in related lulz : girl here got invited to a 5 day "history of argentina" "workshop". the schedule ? 4 days discussing "democracia".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the only point of argentine history worth even casual inspection is de rosas. who -- very pointedly NOT democracia. the contrary of democracia.
mircea_popescu: but, bovine sjw encephalopathy.
asciilifeform: de rosas << the .ar stalin neh
asciilifeform: betcha the chinese would shoot one if there even could be such a thing today.
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only time argentina won over england.
mircea_popescu: but, notably, he was unanimously voted in power. something stalin ever tried to pretend to and emulate. guy had it naturally, people fucking loved him.
mircea_popescu: to this day it burns the libertard, the fact that no, democracy is NOT popular. rosas is.
asciilifeform: while he was winning, aha, loved.
mircea_popescu: pretty much throughout, actually. dude was like 80 when he died.
asciilifeform: didn't he die in england, living in some nowhere ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. strong law-and-order ticket, repressed the bums (social group that today in the us masquerades as "students") and so on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eventually the kingdom of brazil defeated them and he left yea.
asciilifeform: mega-napoleon
mircea_popescu: just about
mircea_popescu: certainly a much more respectable, as well as effectual, historical figure.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: had a few amusing scenarios for how 'ubi' might play out: "massive army", "un camps, did you know they've got refugee camps down to the point where it costs 1200 us/year to mostly keep them from killing each other?", "genocide" etc
mircea_popescu: afghanistan fambly lived happily for 1k/year pre usg tardation, for instance. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: 60% leech factor isn't crazy
ben_vulpes: 20% is downright idealistic
ben_vulpes: ofc what that 1.2k per annum buys is depressingly further downmarket from the traditional afghani lifestyle
ben_vulpes: which is right in line with other threads elsewhere about how we got cvasi-marxism, where we vote ourselves more stuff every year but what gets delivered is a plastic sham of what was ordered. looks like everything is going to be free, but that 'everything' just serves to keep us anchored to our pocketscreens
ben_vulpes: and entirely unsurprisingly, the slippage on the country-wide market-clearing buy order doesn't show up in price (no, that'd hose the inflation numbers) but in crapflation
ben_vulpes: old thread
ben_vulpes: in perkier news: https://68.media.tumblr.com/7e77773542627ef05d79c65cd6138fa6/tumblr_om9fnzNuHD1srtogco1_540.jpg
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: why use the mechanisms that work (but they work! which is unfair!11) when you could use no mechanisms at all and dream a little dream of things.
mircea_popescu: honestly i'd be muych surprised if the average bloke in the us wouldn't actually prefer living as 1997 average afghanistani instead.
mircea_popescu: for one thing the food's lots better.
ben_vulpes: nah, he's been drinking progesterone from the recycled water for so long he's practically a woman
mircea_popescu: pretty sure average afghani woman happier than anything watching "friends"
mod6: ben_vulpes: niiiice.
ben_vulpes: may quite well be the case that babe who lives to obey and satisfy her man is far happier than careerist, independent, "i'll buy whatever dumb vehicle my emotions push me to!", but have fun making that sale to the americans attached to equality-at-any-cost
ben_vulpes: utterly fucking relevant: http://bureauborsche.com/thumbs/projects/nike-equality-campaign/single-poster-typography/single-poster-typography/nike_equality_single_page_41-170x240.jpg
ben_vulpes: i saw this poster with some female athlete's face and burst out laughing the other day
ben_vulpes: "fucking what? you need your own leagues to even take a podium spot."
mircea_popescu: it's not nearly as unilateral as all that. 20yo afghani female is actually competent and appreciated for her competence. this is a damn sight more than anything hilary clinton ever achieved in her sad, contorted stump of a life
mircea_popescu: let alone all the wanna-bes looking in through the front window.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, she wasn't in the situation room!!11" hurr.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> "fucking what? you need your own leagues to even take a podium spot." << heheh
ben_vulpes: five minutes later i realized it was a commentary on /race/ and not /sex/
mod6: ah
ben_vulpes: in other stale lolz: http://nypost.com/2017/03/01/rachel-dolezal-changes-her-name-to-west-african-moniker/
ben_vulpes: and it looks like we're stuck with the aca.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, ACHTUNG s.nsa customers! aaalmost all FUCKGOATS -- shipped
ben_vulpes: > blessing /dev/sda2 with Holy Penguin Pee << wat
asciilifeform: waiwat
ben_vulpes: i have no idea, man
trinque: isn't bless the "make bootable" thinger on a mac?
ben_vulpes: sounds familiar
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632355 << orlol discussed this, and it was 100% true, 'homo americanus' has some very serious damage that is very expensive to build prosthesis for -- he has no family , no friends, no one will lend him money other than at extortionate rates, has no one alive whom he could live with in small hut, 5 to 10 sq. metres, without killing one another ☝︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 19:28 mircea_popescu: afghanistan fambly lived happily for 1k/year pre usg tardation, for instance.
asciilifeform: the other end of it is that the afghani has no printing press dumping usd on him by the megatonne. and if he did -- someone would collect it back , yes
asciilifeform: in the form of imposed 'living expenses.'
asciilifeform: also where does the 1k figure come from ? for what does a smallholder-farmer even need money. ☟︎
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in prbland, https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-March/013766.html ☟︎
trinque: https://bitcoincore.org/en/2017/03/23/schnorr-signature-aggregation/ << also.
trinque: and guess who
asciilifeform: who?
trinque: wuille
asciilifeform: iirc he's most of what's left of prb in terms of working hands, neh ☟︎
trinque: "From a privacy standpoint, Schnorr allows the entire policy of the multisig to be obscured and indistinguishable from a conventional single pubkey." << and what happens when the indistinguishability flows the other way...
asciilifeform: trinque: it's a multilayered shit-sandwich: aside from the crackpot 'infinite number of sigs in finite sized crate' aspect entirely:
asciilifeform: multisig is an evil
asciilifeform: its ultimate purpose -- equiv. of 1990s-style key escrow.
trinque: aha, entirely.
trinque: and I take the above to mean they'd be able to craft multi-sig transactions that are signature equivalent to a single-sig I create.
asciilifeform: waiwat ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-27#1354404 << see also. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-12-27 17:38 asciilifeform: 'It is about sending a strong message. I think we may need to start an accreditation scheme for Bitcoin-consensus compliant wallets and services. Through code signing and use of multisig, we can even distinguish transactions made by compliant wallets and non-compliant wallets, and have pools not mine them (or wallets refuse to send to known-non-compliant wallets).'
trinque: I expect that the Snore signature is easily collided by some means; obviously I'm not sitting here with the exploit in hand. ☟︎
trinque: and that the intent is to be able to malleate transactions into multisig
asciilifeform: afaik classical ecdsa doesn't 'malleate' into it
trinque: they say in the article that they would want to convert the whole existing chain to this scheme
asciilifeform: though there's nothing to keep crackpot alts from wrapping whatever they want around existing sigs
trinque: maybe I misread.
trinque: it's not clear; they propose replacing the existing signature checking OPs entirely, so maybe the crackpot idea is schnorr past certain block
trinque: if replaced, I dunno how anyone would -verifyall
asciilifeform: afaik prb hasn't 'verifyall' for years nao.
asciilifeform: or anything equivalent.
trinque: lulk, no problem then
asciilifeform: 'what the hell do you want with those old blocks, terrorist'
trinque: sometimes it's hard to contort oneself to the fatlogic required to read these things
asciilifeform: !!up TomServo
deedbot: TomServo voiced for 30 minutes.
TomServo: Ahoy there.
TomServo: I was just curious if anyone else saw this in there trb, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WRtLs/?raw=true ☟︎
TomServo: Didn't see mention in the logs.
TomServo: their*
asciilifeform: lemme check.
ben_vulpes: not here
TomServo: Mine ran like that until presently, when I restarted it. Waiting to see what happens.
asciilifeform: negative TomServo
asciilifeform: not found any such thing on either of my nodes.
asciilifeform: TomServo: is there anything peculiar about the clock on that box ?
TomServo: asciilifeform: I'll check.
asciilifeform: check also that the disk is not full.
asciilifeform: TomServo: is the linked snippet the earliest occurrence of the string InvalidChainFound in your debug.log ?
asciilifeform: look for the earliest mention, and also for 'Reorganize failed' and 'ConnectBlock failed', and post plz.
asciilifeform: see also http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?v=makefiles&_i=InvalidChainFound for possible logic paths .
TomServo: asciilifeform: time is okay, other than trb logs being gmt system is cdt. disk okay. Yes, earliest.
TomServo: before restarting, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4T8nX/?raw=true
asciilifeform: TomServo: what happened when you restarted ? post the first MB or so of log after the restart.
TomServo: asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Vimd4/?raw=true reorg / connect block failed
asciilifeform: where was this
asciilifeform: prior to the 1st segment ? or after ?
asciilifeform: also what patch set do you use, TomServo ? my trb doesn't have time stamps, for instance.
asciilifeform: and how did you come up with these pastes ? shouldn't the 03/20/17 01:19:27 and 03/20/17 01:19:28 piece have appeared INSIDE the one at http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632424 ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 21:40 TomServo: I was just curious if anyone else saw this in there trb, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/WRtLs/?raw=true
TomServo: I just tail for height, I'm going through the whole debug now.
asciilifeform: i think something is wrong with your clock, TomServo
asciilifeform: this box runs ntp ?
asciilifeform: from your pastes it looks to me like your clock runs nonmonotonically !!
asciilifeform: consider : ( apologies for log clutter ) :
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 00:29:46 SetBestChain: new best=0000000000000000009f height=458050 work=85971757952375240341601331
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 00:33:38 SetBestChain: new best=0000000000000000016f height=458051 work=85973801121849809044067940
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 InvalidChainFound: invalid block=00000000000000000056 height=458053 work=85977887460798946449001158
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 InvalidChainFound: current best=0000000000000000016f height=458051 work=85973801121849809044067940
asciilifeform: ~~ vs ~~
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:27 AcceptToMemoryPool(): accepted 329a98ff2b
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:27 received block 00000000000000000056
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 REORGANIZE
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 ERROR: Reorganize() : ConnectBlock failed
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 InvalidChainFound: invalid block=00000000000000000056 height=458053 work=85977887460798946449001158
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 InvalidChainFound: current best=0000000000000000016f height=458051 work=85973801121849809044067940
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 ERROR: SetBestChain() : Reorganize failed
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 ERROR: AcceptBlock() : AddToBlockIndex failed
asciilifeform: 03/20/17 01:19:28 ERROR: ProcessBlock() : AcceptBlock FAILED
asciilifeform: how can these occur in the same debug.log if the clock were monotonic.
asciilifeform: at some point, time flowed backwards...
asciilifeform: hence the block rejection.
asciilifeform: now, ~why~ TomServo's clock ran backwards, i do not know.
ben_vulpes: eh? timestamps?
TomServo: Hmmm, little late to be getting caught up with daylight savings..
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: he must've put in timestamps, at some point, iirc a few people did
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: comparing timestamps above and below vs ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: think for 5min.
TomServo: Don't waste any more time on it. I'll verify some things.
asciilifeform: nono this is interesting
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these two pastes are supposed to be from same debug.log
ben_vulpes: i see
asciilifeform: and contiguous internally
asciilifeform: physically impossible without a broken clock.
ben_vulpes: yeah i see it now. the ~~ ~~ confused me.
asciilifeform: (or , alternatively, a catastrophically buggy timestamp printer )
TomServo: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JOrzo/?raw=true patches
asciilifeform: TomServo: do me a favour, post your entire debug.log somewhere.
asciilifeform: i dun care if it's 100G, i'll load it, promise.
asciilifeform: not so long ago i ate mircea_popescu's , what, 200G one.
asciilifeform: TomServo: odd, i don't see anything re timestamps in there
TomServo: Not quite a 1G, I have to restart it a lot. I'll find somewhere for it.
asciilifeform: TomServo: gzip, post plx.
asciilifeform: whole file.
asciilifeform: alternatively you can write the perl script to find when your clock ran backwards, yourself.
TomServo: I'm starting with a -logtimestamps switch.
asciilifeform: !!up TomServo
deedbot: TomServo voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: oh hm, apparently we had'em , http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/util.cpp?v=makefiles#0171
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ^
ben_vulpes: mhm
asciilifeform: also i betcha you can replicate this effect by moving clock back.
asciilifeform: ( somebody with a node on a lan, that nothing is relying on -- try it )
asciilifeform: at any rate imho the log paste nails it, case closed.
asciilifeform bbl
TomServo: Before my voice goes, trinque how do I get unwiped from the wot?
ben_vulpes: TomServo: have you tried registering?
TomServo: If I recall, there was a case sensitivity issue during the schism
TomServo: ben_vulpes: I had ratings previously.
trinque: long since remedied
trinque: TomServo: I didn't delete any data, but I'm happy to look into it.
trinque: lemme see what was in the original export
trinque: TomServo: ah yep I see what's wrong, fixing it
TomServo: trinque: cool. thanks.
trinque: !!gettrust deedbot TomServo
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
trinque: TomServo: teh ministry of deedbutt thanks you for your report
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/03/sears-running-out-of-things-to-sell/ << Qntra - Sears Running Out Of Things To Sell