a111: Logged on 2016-08-11 23:41 mircea_popescu: (fun fact : amphetamine was discovered by a romanian dude.)
phf: (defvar lords '("mircea_popescu" "asciilifeform" "ben_vulpes")), heh you guys made the planet.lisp.org
phf: asciilifeform: nah, your still considered to be one of the authorities on lisp from ground up in teh kommuniti
mircea_popescu: see, i knew good things will happen if i stick around with him.
phf: asciilifeform: i don't actually know about that one :o
phf: nah, i'm curious about the scheme83 website
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform good point re the "hack" thing. apparently the reason average cattle doesn't is because ... they CHOOSE not to. not because they cucking fouldn't to save their stinky hides
mircea_popescu: phf the sort of comments he gets on his blog never cease to amaze me.
mircea_popescu: possibly what he got picked up as too, "check out this guy, earthworm beset by ants" or somesuch.
phf: i like how ascii handles them "i invented what you're talking about, and you're wrong" "eat shit you turncoat"
phf: i'm waiting for when we finally start sending hosts file to each other
phf: well, with custom hosts you can just type
http://phf in your browser. that'll be kind of cool
mircea_popescu: one of the most egregious cases of derpy engineering choices. "
http://" really bitch, because what, your browser is also going to do what, bitcoin:// ? and then www, because totallies, there's other stuff on the web than web.
mircea_popescu: it has no fucking knobs. one step above pgp'ing in a browser.
mircea_popescu: oh im sorry, fttp://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/ilasxve-560x456.png ?
mircea_popescu: you know, just in case you want to use the browser in an alternate universe.
mircea_popescu: it'll be just good and ready to go, just replace big-bang at the outset with whatever other causative event happens in your alt-universe, all good.
trinque: phf │ well, with custom hosts you can just type
http://phf in your browser. that'll be kind of cool << ben_vulpes and I were talking about this earlier
trinque: actually I think mircea_popescu first mentioned getting a vtronic hosts file going
mircea_popescu: you can have a canonical copy unrelatedly to whether you scribble on your copy or not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform put it this way : whether i call her "big tits" or whatever else, she can still be "susan b. anthony" in public.
mircea_popescu: $g "because of my father i thought my name is jesus christ"
trinque: list of republic sites, while we still use "sites"
ben_vulpes: well i was sitting in the sun but i have to drive-by-comment now
ben_vulpes: i quite rather would like to take my extant domains donw
trinque: and while we still use fleanode
ben_vulpes: i have no interest in perpetuating the global hash table as controlled by nato
ben_vulpes: this presents the thorny problem of noobs not having the foggiest where ben_vulpes/r/<a_vastly_shorter_id> is actually located on the net
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: hosts file can't possibly be more intimate than a gpg keyring
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel folx appreciated the lolz
ben_vulpes: i would be entirely fine with an ip addr
mircea_popescu: this is, incindentally, much better than "cloudflare".
mircea_popescu: and amusingly enough, it would be perfectly fine for mpex, or any other "financial" site built correctly.
ben_vulpes: but in light of lease-breaking fees and firing of everyone and general existential crises am going to go dip my butt in the river with child and babe.
phf: well, if you guys concerned about dns ownership, you should look into ip range allocations sometime
mircea_popescu: phf the idea of course being that eventually this will grow into actual routing,
mircea_popescu: and while it would allow tcp/ip, it wouldn't be limited to tcp/ip
mircea_popescu: (drone usb is when a drone flies in between points a and b, and back again, carrying an usb stick it plugs in on arrival)
trinque: I'm not opposed to incremental improvements as long as they, y'know, continue.
mircea_popescu: the great advantage being that the steps of the iteration === research.
mircea_popescu: most of the things we've built came out of examining steps and making improvements.
mircea_popescu: that started off as weirdisms and ended up as needed standards.
mircea_popescu: (dunno who for instance recalls 2012 back when "logging irc" was "a bad idea" by "community agreement". freenode would still hold on to that idiocy hadn't it died meanwhile.)
☟︎ phf: trinque: what happened to the bot vpatches?
phf: oh it's on a blog now
phf: maybe one day(c)(tm) i'll be able to work on that thing again..
phf: mircea_popescu: it's a ui for lisp that gabriel_laddel has been contributing to
mircea_popescu looks in project about main, doesn't even see Philip Fominykh
mircea_popescu: in other news, making mega-ar post ; aficionados prepare.
phf: it's sort of a universe in itself, i started looking at it again, because i'm doing some graphics work with lisp and needed a good gui toolkit. i'm using CAPI right now, which is proprietary and part of lispworks
phf: sort of tempting to migrate all my lisp work there, because the ide is nice, but of course, proprietary
mircea_popescu: not to mention it;s altogether unclear the republic will even enforce fiat-"proprietary"
trinque: phf: saw that :) gabriel needs to hang around moar.
phf: maybe he can port my scan editor to clim..
phf: i'm almost done though, going to upload for mr man to peruse at pleasure in the next few days
deedbot: drowngodx voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: this fwiw is the appeal to me of ars, deflated though it may be through many a trilema
ben_vulpes: that a lovely building may be bought and the savages beaten out of it like dust from a rug
ben_vulpes: lol is that the first mircea_popescu imglink with no actual nudity?!
☟︎ ben_vulpes: mind you i grew up in the land of pressed shitboard, and so the wrecked stone glory of ars is v. appealing
mircea_popescu: go to eeurope, better deals and marginally less retarded peoplez.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 03:53 mircea_popescu: go to eeurope, better deals and marginally less retarded peoplez.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 03:50 ben_vulpes: lol is that the first mircea_popescu imglink with no actual nudity?!
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 00:58 mircea_popescu: (dunno who for instance recalls 2012 back when "logging irc" was "a bad idea" by "community agreement". freenode would still hold on to that idiocy hadn't it died meanwhile.)
BingoBoingo: Next edition will be News Roundup Xtend 2 (TM)(R) followed by News Roundup Xtend 3 (TM)(R) etc.
mircea_popescu: diazepam is not "anti seizure drug". it's just about valium, ie, housewife popcorn.
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated gabriel_laddel 2 at 2015/04/11 14:35:30 << almost a year later, he got a larger chunk of exercise ball down his gullet than anyone i know of.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is indeed used that way. Works on the GABA system.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sure, and alcohol is "an alternate green fuel"
BingoBoingo: Well most things that break seizures work as housewife popcorn.
mircea_popescu: $v 8A30C0809960E3CFEF2B791E665096AB45D61141568F9CC58FC3435D48B53B2D
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of gabriel_laddel from 2 to 2 << "McClim & stuff"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo look, the woman ain't got no seizures. she's got a habit, left over from the days she was stuck in scandal cast playing kerry washington (created by shonda rhimes).
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Well seizures are a benzodiazepine withdrawal symptom, goes with the habit.
mircea_popescu: (for the concerned watchers : i googled "scandal" looking for that idiotic talk show where some old douche keeps being oh-so-amazed at teenage sluts and whatnot. this worked.)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so consider publishing it. you got a blog neh ?
mircea_popescu: "Coinbase has continued their apology and solvency tour " bwahahaha mkay
BingoBoingo: It's time. Last week lots of good news. This week just fallout and noise mostly related to last week.
BingoBoingo: And its been discussed for a while without opportunity appearing.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 12:09 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo look, the woman ain't got no seizures. she's got a habit, left over from the days she was stuck in scandal cast playing kerry washington (created by shonda rhimes).
mircea_popescu: why the fuck do you think prince died as a ball consisting half of psychoactives by mass ?
mircea_popescu: contrary to what you imagine, there's not really that vast variety of substances.
mircea_popescu: there's uppers and there's downers. add "nothings" a la caffeine/nicotine etc and that;s just about it.
mircea_popescu: it's not alice's wonderland where the potions actually are fascinatingly unknown.
mircea_popescu: just like when you pop the cover off some program you either find javascript or c.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Micheal Jackson had cardiologist for getting high? Why would Clitler not have Neurologist?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you think this because you live in your cave.
mircea_popescu: every "rockstar" with a habit i've ever encountered had one of these.
mircea_popescu: now, the ancients didn't think it wise to have blind emperor ; why the postmoderns imagine it acceptable to have figurehead with habit...
mircea_popescu: suppose i get hold of her and keep her in a room for half a day ? what then ? "i can't recognise the person i voted for!!!" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform link to even one photo of your mom's cunt or else you weren't ever born!!11
mircea_popescu: social convention prevented publication of plenty of material for many years.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> with syringe loaded in one hand, following the 'star' around, publicly ? << Autoinjector is not mere syringe. Preloaded just like star is.
mircea_popescu: not unreasonable, though not sure i'd use diazepam. why not ketamine, watch them go all weird lol.
mircea_popescu: anyway, propofol is the right move for the purpose. but w/e.
mircea_popescu: needn't be deniable. need be humiliating, need cause memory loss.
mircea_popescu: the attacker being belligerent outside of his kill zone is an asset to you, not to him.
mircea_popescu: hence why i wouldn't use diazepam. god gave you propofol / ketamine for a reason.
mircea_popescu: and if your security team needs more than 5 minutes you need a new security team.
mircea_popescu: no dude. that's how it works with lone redditard in his forsaken den. if some guy just rushed your subject, he's in the middle of a media blitz and the ambulance is right there.
mircea_popescu: ie, "god didn't give you curare, it gave it to those monkeys."
mircea_popescu: the south americans at their peak are scarcely qualified to import us made stupidity. that's why they're so proud when they manage.
mircea_popescu: heck, do you know that their favourite part of the us (to the point of scarcely even knowing other parts even exist) IS MIAMI ?
mircea_popescu: dude... a shitty place with hot wet weathert and a bunch of old farts in "gated communities".
mircea_popescu: dude forget that. chicks with no practical hope to anything selling shoes in shitty shoe store aspire to go to miami.
mircea_popescu: "what mom overheard while doing the cleaning in so-and-so's house who was talking on the phone to her highschool friernd who is married to the brother of the undersecretary of trabajo"
mircea_popescu: they're insane with the gossip, by the way. do you know how often i see this scene where woman is talking the ear off posted policeman, who is doing his best to politely ignore her ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 12:45 mircea_popescu: sure. how long do you need ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh get out of here. ketamine ld50 is like half a gram/kg. propofol 1/10 that. in either case you can't pack enough of the stuff in a shot to kill anyone.
mircea_popescu: that's why they're used in the first place, inept nurses don't kill patients with them.
mircea_popescu: autoinjector shot is what, maybe a shade over 2ml ? which includes the carrying fluid. insufficient to kill a lapdog.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ketamin used in us hospitals increasing as alternative to general anesthesia because lolwyers
mircea_popescu recommends experimental assay, 8:1 mix of ketamine/propofol in solution.
mircea_popescu: they give you an ipad, you'll never even know you were there.
mircea_popescu: "dude i finally passed that hard level in bubble casino" "How ?" "manned up and got that castration procedure wife kept wanting finally"
mircea_popescu: "now she can go off the pill, and i have an elite highschore!" "sweet!"
phf: ahaha, i know people with such ridiculous k tolerance, i'd like to see cops shoot at them
mircea_popescu: (fwiw, historical romanian guard types did fire large gauge shotgun loaded with salt at kids/thieves/etc)
phf: some grandma shooting k at kids
mircea_popescu: low powder load ; salt corns. it is actually surprisingly effective.
phf: also miami is where da clubs at, it's like a trashier, "let's go to the beach" version of new york club scene. let's have merlin bronques say a few words about it
http://www.lastnightsparty.com/miami/ mircea_popescu: typical argentine has all the pretense of small time german krownprinz and all the sabiduria of rural south cali gangster.
mircea_popescu: (also, props to all the genius "DRM" nonsense they installed. fucking clearly it works huh.)
phf: well, terry richardson popularized the style of photography. sort of trashy "amateur" photography with good lighting, vomit and tits. it all looks a lot more polished when you're shit faced
mircea_popescu: the tits are superb, btw, best silicone i've seen in a while.
phf: i think blonds are out at the moment, everyone wants a quirky hipster brunete, miami only makes it worse with all the latinos. i know a few blonds that actually color their hair. it's trully barbaric age up here.
mircea_popescu: phf and this because kim totally fucking won the assculture war.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i know of no us-born individual of similar accomplishment as that armenian.
phf: hehe, to answer asciilifeform's question from long time ago, you want wife like kim, so when you go to da club all the hoes look like your hubby
mircea_popescu: "I have to say that I do not find it very ediffying that people in this financial bracket should be taking up a day of court time over a sum which to them, though not to others, is objectively so small. However, agreement has not been reached and I must rule." << HOLY SHIT
mircea_popescu: judge can't spell, and has the unmitigated audacity to say THAT ?
mircea_popescu: i'd fucking call a hit. what the fucking shit is this. omfg.
mircea_popescu: the indignity. illiterate peronista judges. is there enough alcohol in the "civilised world" ?
mircea_popescu: thanks phf, i have been entertained by last night's party
mircea_popescu will find this joint one day, give a girl a five and ask for change.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo mind if i write a qntra detailing justice holman's breach of the european declaration of human rights and other matters ?
mircea_popescu: (note the sheeps at end is intentional, because ships)
BingoBoingo: What of the man worth 1 pence who sues for a whole pound?
mircea_popescu: (it is not technically possible for a man's claims to exceed his wealth, because wealth includes the value of all claims by definition)
BingoBoingo: Well, in that case, those Argentine cowsies you are so fond of have it all
BingoBoingo: Maybe they can get NEW cardboard to further advance their claims!
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mircea_popescu: and plox notify the parties named in that paste BingoBoingo . twitter, email, w/e.
BingoBoingo: The ones from the story or is there another paste?
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel: phf: is your logging engine open source / can it be so that we can have less shit logs on #clim?
gabriel_laddel: phf: there is no search right now and it makes the whole development cycle hellish
mircea_popescu: whether os or not os needn't be resolved ; but gabriel_laddel should be able to acquire a copy i say!
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: do you have an intern who wants to make a couple hundred bucks here and there writing CL for McCLIM?
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: if so, have him drop into #clim and talk to beach, who is handling fundraising / distributing funds atm
gabriel_laddel: he is currently paying jackdaniel several thousand out of pocket to help
mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean... why handle donations in shitcoin in the first place.
mircea_popescu: that may be, but this is scarcely a reason to breach your privacy and etc.
mircea_popescu: whose job is it of the usg's what jackdaniel gets paid and from whence it came ?
gabriel_laddel: I'm not in charge of fundraising, talk to beach re this.
gabriel_laddel: also, jackdaniel is a pleb / etherhuffer (at least politically, and I really appreciate his work on mcclim)
mircea_popescu: importing bitcoin into your financial affairs works its magic just by being a node ; doesn't have to be the whole process. actually, can't even be whole process, that's gavintardism. but yeah, no big deal.
BingoBoingo will need to dust off copy of "spam like a pro in 24 hours"
gabriel_laddel: were I in charge of fundraising, I'd not be doing it as an anon anyways but rather calling syscog, ravenspack etc and trying to get donations in the 10ks rather than pocket change, but w/e
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel hey, they're people, with a brain right ? can benefit from discussion of this as any other topic.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: that's one perspective. another is that I'm extrodinarily lucky that they're doing anything useful on mcclim at all
gabriel_laddel: there have been discussions of re-implementing it on top of the web, ncurses etc
mircea_popescu: hey, understand, i'm not knocking you/it or anything. jus' sayin'.
mircea_popescu: im curious too, turns out. started what gabriel_laddel ?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: redid the website, removed all the crap backends, gas2serra fixed a threading bug that caused irritating visual artifacts, I went through the whole of the CLIM archives and pulled out all the useful info, the codebase has been totally re-ordered, truetype is now the default, bugfixes relating to not pulling in the correct X keyboard
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel but what's the goal or how are you proceeding or anything like that ?
gabriel_laddel: No. Cutting X/cario/opengl/truetype out of the picture completely.
gabriel_laddel: talking directly to the monitor / whatever and implementing CLIM on that.
gabriel_laddel: The fonts look like shit without truetype and that makes it impossible for me to make money using CLIM.
gabriel_laddel: on my dead harddrive there is a bunch of half-implemented useful things like clim-spec-in-clim, the "navigator" which is a reflective search apropos, I've taken climacs and made it usable for day-to-day work...
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I am already paid to make money with it
gabriel_laddel: am installing masamune for a client (by hand) right now
phf: oh for fucks say, client side font rendering. welcome to 2002, can i fuck up your stack
phf: gabriel_laddel: have you tried actually getting some quality type 1 fonts and setting them up ~with your x server~ and seeing if you like the result
gabriel_laddel: all of the business that I do inbetween now and then is simply churn to get there
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel huh. listen, probably not actionable right now, but in general and on the long term if you write me a crystal space replacement in lisp ima definitely bundle it in eulora.
phf: asciilifeform: i don't know why gabriel_laddel is saying what he's saying. truetype has already been rewritten in lisp, and that's what mcclim uses for fancy truetype rendering. it's expensive as hell, and equally pointless.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the difference between your spec and my spec should be obvious. is it ?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: you're going to be waiting a while in any case, so I wouldn't get to worked up about it.
phf: last time i checked there wasn't cairo/freetype/etc. in mcclim to begin with
phf: asciilifeform: or possibly gabriel_laddel doesn't know what he's talking about
gabriel_laddel: phf: sorry, what exactly is unclear about what I'm saying?
phf: gabriel_laddel: you're saying that mcclim has FFI to cairo/freetype/opengl, i don't think that's true, care to link to relevant code
gabriel_laddel: phf: that's not what I'm saying. truetype is in CL. McCLIM is 100% CL. But it /communicates/ with X, which has cario and all this other nonsense integrated with it, and it's causing problems.
phf: gabriel_laddel: cairo is not integrated with X, nor is freetype. both are client side rendering libraries, that send computed bitmaps over the wire
gabriel_laddel: there is no meaningful way to interrogate the X server about its state, so when it crashes (and it does from time to time), it really gets in the way of the whole lispm experience
mircea_popescu: phf he means you can't use them without x, integrated.
gabriel_laddel: but I need a stable platform from which to redesign computing from the ground up
phf: gabriel_laddel: first mistake is to do so much pointless rendering on the client. from the few minutes of talking, it's quite clear that you're prepared to walk the path of "linux on desktop" to the same result
mircea_popescu: you two make miserable fathers, let it be stated in the permanent record.
mircea_popescu: whatever wisdom one has is divided in two categories : that which must be asked for ; and that which needn't be.
gabriel_laddel: phf: I intend to do away with the whole notion of "client & server" in rendering for CLIM
gabriel_laddel: though tbh, I plan on paying someone else to do much of this
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel so who renders, the client or the server ?
gabriel_laddel: you simply have a CL process that talks directly to the hardware
mircea_popescu: is the cl process that talks directly to the hardware part of "kernel" or part of "user space" ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: it is not yet clear as I don't know enough about the kernel to know if I can do away with the whole "user space" thing.
gabriel_laddel: in the sense you're thinking about things, probably the "user space"
mircea_popescu: well so then do you understand what phf means about "Welcome to 2002" ?
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: gabriel_laddel: i understand your end goal, but the steps that you're taking to get there are going to result in worse design. you'd be better served in understanding clx first, making ~that~ work well by working to its strengths, and then replacing clx with own system. by then you'll have a snappier system and less primitives to write. i highly recommend spinning up VLM/genera and seeing how they do unix interop. it's really quite
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: was my interpretation that in 2002 people were dong a lot of client side font rendering?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel the reason kernel exists is so that random crap doesn't steal your machine.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: my understanding of the present situation is that the linux kernel is here to stay, as it is a result of the way that the cee machine works, and contains drivers for a bunch of useful hardware
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I'm not sure what "job" you have in mind, but suspect it is different from the one I have in mind
mircea_popescu: this is debatable. but the fundamental problem with allowing userspace hardware access is that it can cut you loose from your own computer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a ms-dos lisp would not, at this point, be a bad machine.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker. YOU YOURSELF USE SHIT THAT DOESNT INTEROIPERATE
mircea_popescu: bring this argument again once you're pdf free, ye hear ?
mircea_popescu: problem being that you're all done designing yours and are now designing his, too.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I will note that if someone with sufficent knowledge of x.org stumbles into my life, I'd be happy to pay them to solve the issues CLIM has with it
mircea_popescu: i think the last person who had that locked themselves in a cellar and rages there still.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'll tell you why not : because until he asks, you can;'t tell.
gabriel_laddel: Terry A Davis wrote a whole graphics system that doesn't communicate with X.
phf: i think the disagreement can be bridged on architectural grounds. i think gabriel_laddel's lack of understanding of clx and ideological refusal to understand it better is going to result in the worse final design. there are examples of x11 done right, that are much easier to port away to native hardware. whether or not "x11" or "no x11" is the final design, basic x protocol provides for a very solid set of ground level elements and also
phf: puts concerns where they matter. (like not requiring client render its own fonts for one)
phf: problem with mcclim is that it went through many 2002 style "for the people" pretifications, that made optimizations, refinment and other aspects of architectural design work much harder than need be
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: can we table this discussion for the time being? I understand what it is that you're getting at, but you don't have (and nor will you have) a clear picture of exactly what it is that I'm doing.
gabriel_laddel: Also, you seriously underestimate the utility of paying other people to do work for you.
mircea_popescu: i don't dispute your goals ; merely your very inept methodology.
mircea_popescu: eh this is nonsense. something somewhere will at some point have to write to video ram ; and he's not said much more than that.
gabriel_laddel: I have people waiting on me *right now* to sell them masamune machines.
mircea_popescu: phf define for me the concept of "bridged on architectural grounds"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have serious trouble distinguishing him from a young steve jobs, at this point.
mircea_popescu: note that the woz didn't make the ipad. so that theory lost a lot since 2002.
mircea_popescu: woz without jobs => universal remote. and see also site:trilema.com fred quimby
mircea_popescu: wouldja stop with the fetishism ? "without money" == "dumb as rocks" and nothing else. not now, not during roman judaeea.
mircea_popescu: any arbitrary pick of my slaves has more money than jobs had when retook apple.
gabriel_laddel: Gotta run. If anyone has experience with the levano x61 tablet or some other hardware you really like, do tell. I read all logs eventually.
mircea_popescu: you realise that derivative evaluates on bases other than... your money ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: ty. asciilifeform: I think that the rotating screen is spiffy, and would love to stop carrying around a notepad + computer
a111: Logged on 2016-02-29 16:55 asciilifeform: so at this point i'm satisfied that rms either 1) does not actually use an x60 machine with 'libreboot' ~~or~~ does not program.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: "machine crashes at full cpu load in 100% of case" < nevermind then. glad I asked.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel the point was that rms made certain falsifiable statements, that alf took the pains to falsify.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: spiffy. I'd be happy to pay for postage. Will try and find somewhere to ship it later today
mircea_popescu: incidentally, he might use an older item with a peculiarly functional set of parts. standardization in hardware is kind-of iffy
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I'm homeless and that isn't really possible atm
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you've not actually managed to lose your key, have you ?
mircea_popescu: young fetching fellow living in sunny climate, fucking locals for showers. not that rare.
PeterL: would not be in chan, $up is to deedbot
mircea_popescu: of course... he wouldn't do it in cahn in the first place would he.
mircea_popescu: apparently this needs an actual command, $last_check name or somesuch. looks for the last time someone self-authed.
PeterL: maybe a command could be added to deedbot to return last time verifyed?
mircea_popescu: trinque can you modify deedbot so instead of "<deedbot> gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes." it says "<deedbot> gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. Last self-authed on : <timestamp>" ?
PeterL: ah, that was before B-A/Trilema split
a111: Logged on 2014-11-22 06:21 punkman: another fun exercise, trying to install Linux on 3TB disk
PeterL: or too ashamed to admit loss of key
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't have the 2012 ones yet
phf: but otherwise it's to the early days of b-a
mircea_popescu: phf wait, how does this work ? i recall i sent you a batch, or was there a problem there ?
phf: mircea_popescu: i haven't had time to integrate it, my spare cycles were going into bot rewrite
phf: (mostly because those logs will have to have negative id's, i assume there are bunch of places, where ids are handled with parse-integer)
phf: i wrote a loader for them though, and they load, eating up another 100mb or so
trinque: mircea_popescu: I'd have to start collecting that information, but yes
mircea_popescu: yeah, it was part of a discussion of rms/foss/etc ineptitude.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i;m deeply unpersuaded of naggum's love for "dynamism"
mircea_popescu: yes. and the reason no allowance for it is made in say v is also very particular.
mircea_popescu: his "open car design" is copied exactly off the "no guns" europolicy.
mircea_popescu: "find a better way to do what you want than shooting justice holman"
mircea_popescu: seems to me it's rather about how amphibious buldozers are unnecessary because her majesty's engineering corps may one day get around to building a road that goes where I WANT.
mircea_popescu: for the record, if a system had this sort of "semantic indirection" built in where any fuckwad could "redefine OPEN()" i'd burn it and piss on the ashes.
mircea_popescu: what is so hard about this concept is that it is not a concept of wisdom but a concept of idiocy. which is to say, it does not belong in reality, but in the masturbatory alt-reality, necessarily inexistent, secreted by overexcited virgins who lived in a basement.
mircea_popescu: you're eschewing the question. "operator=me" has two options : a) not run the code ; b) run the code, giving whoever wrote it operator status.
mircea_popescu: which is what, to read it and re-redefine everything in it ?
mircea_popescu: this is something you can say ; but not something you can do.
mircea_popescu: you've just said "i build escherian trestlework around it"
mircea_popescu: if THIS is you reason to dislike the x86, YOU go in the skip.
mircea_popescu: unlike you, mircea_popescu doesn't lie to himself about what's going on.
mircea_popescu: in that you're crudely approximating something that's fundamentally impossible - and tell yourselfd this is proof the impossible may be possible! magic! socialism!
mircea_popescu: it's not that i chose not to redefine sink as toilet. is that my sink CAN NOT BE so redefined.
mircea_popescu: there is no "bacterium that only" except in the masturbatory alt-reality, necessarily inexistent, secreted by overexcited virgins who lived in a basement.
mircea_popescu: go do this experiment for curiosity. plumbing grows ~the same stuff everywhere.
mircea_popescu: there's no "toilet bacteria" ; there is genetic variation, but by geography not by function.
mircea_popescu: generally speaking, i specifically do not wish for anyone to be able to redefine anything ever.
mircea_popescu: that is the policy. any opposition to this, such as "we're now calling niggers afroamerican" or such as "naggum redefined OPEN() to work on his system" is EXACTLY the same thing,
mircea_popescu: and that thing is unmitigatedly evil ; not to mentionm the fundamental source and ther self-replicating living body, of our present predicaments.
mircea_popescu: you want to change the world, build on top of immutable primitives, like in v. don't go around pretending "light" now means something else than yesterday.
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: it is not lost. Simply out of reach atm.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: will do some grepping at some point, but for now - work
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: that's going to have to wait 1-5 months then, depending on my fiscal situation
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: also, I'm not taking thousands in donations. jackdaniel is being paid several k to work on CLIM
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: were I fundraising for clim, yes, it would not be via 'crowdfunding' and yes, the numbers would be in the 10ks
mircea_popescu: well then that kinda work should eat through your 300 overdraft in a short time.
gabriel_laddel: nothing is straightforwards when you don't have a bank account
gabriel_laddel: (among other things in my life that are totally fucked)
mircea_popescu: "they sure wouldn't have built this very versatile car, which they talk about a lot more than where they have used it and for what" << now this is fo sho valid criticism of the whole demographic.
PeterL: MP-in-my-head says: get a girlfriend and use her bank account
gabriel_laddel: I had a girlfriend. was staying at her place when parents were out of town etc
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 15:52 asciilifeform: other folks - welcome to grep own l0gz.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-16 06:38 mircea_popescu: folding proteins for instance is essentially a search over a very large graph space
trinque: gabriel_laddel: y'know I used to do this "fuck everything but work" thing, trying to get somewhere.
trinque: no sleep, caffeine, so on.
trinque: was never homeless, but it's a difference of degree.
trinque: you'll actually get more useful work done if you take time to fix your life.
trinque: the brain needs control over its environment to function best
mircea_popescu: Apr 16 03:51:01 * deedbot removes voice from gabriel_laddel Apr 16 03:52:58 * deedbot gives voice to gabriel_laddel << ah yes.
danielpbarron: yeah and then the 30 minutes are up, he loses the +v, and then gets it again with nobody saying up
deedbot: zfx voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: trinque> you'll actually get more useful work done if you take time to fix your life. << i support the notion. life's not a sprint but a marathon, and attempting to build anything serious on the very rotten shifty bases here described is not unlike trying to do clim in windows 95.
mircea_popescu: consider that there's more to your tooling than just the software and fix things in priority order.
mircea_popescu: perhaps it's just the girls he cavorts with. needy adolescent can be exhausting.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: women who are uneducatable but intelligent are exausting..
PeterL: is having the girlfriend too much work, or does the too much work get in the way of having girlfriend?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel how's an uneducatable intelligent woman like ?!
gabriel_laddel: can memorize anything, rattle of facts about various interesting topics. Totally unable to see things from outside of the box she's been in for N years.
trinque: does "coward" resolve to "you should probably right your ship" ?
mircea_popescu: women are born cowards for very good, fundamerntal biologic reasons.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: stupid stuff like being afraid of parents "angry about staying out late with strange boy"
mircea_popescu: i suspect the subtext there is "you're poor". i've known irani chicks, not exhibited such problems. perhaps their daddy being petrified of me a large factor.
trinque dated one; they're fucking hot
mircea_popescu: that's part of the whole "o look, latinas in miami" lulz. if you're going to decide to go brunette, there's a shitload better options than fucking south america, and they come from the golden crescent.
shinohai still finds yesterday's trilema girl quite fetching.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: an to the "cowardice" thing. girls who are afraid of eg, dropping lsd, but happily eat whatever the doctor hands them, inspite of a boy having them read, OUT LOUD various articles, research on the respective effects == cowards aor stupid.
gabriel_laddel: Idk, couple months. the lsd thing never came up explicitly, but several things in that vein did.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I can assure you that the problem here is not me. 'dated' (for some value of that word) a 35 yr chinese woman who had zero hangups
trinque cackles at this measure of whence the problem
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: heh not how irl works, because complex interaction in crystalline lattice causes all sorts of strange peribehaviours.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519202 << it's kind of a pun, i think of systems design as landscape traversal. i think there are frequently paths, as is the case here, that hit multiple design goals and have lower overall complexity, better than a seemingly direct path, that has a hidden high complexity. abstract discussions about ideological goals, that don't take into account design space traversal can be resolved by actual taking
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 15:19 mircea_popescu: phf define for me the concept of "bridged on architectural grounds"
phf: the necessary mental steps.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: anyways, this is an ex-gf, looking for a new knife
mircea_popescu: phf the fundamental problem here is that you misuse words. "to resolve on the basis of" requires a basis, which is to say, something shared. whether right or wrong - i can resolve quantum physics disputes on the basis of coran suras if need be. yet your thing is "this is cool so should be basis". how cool it is has no bearing on how shared it is, you know ?
phf: mircea_popescu: i think asciilifeform and gabriel_laddel goals are very similar, combined together they'll produce an easy low complexity (but perhaps less glamorous) design space traversal path. gabriel_laddel doesn't see it, because he thinks that a certain stop on his path is "dirty" or somesuch, so he wants to avoid it altogether
gabriel_laddel: phf: I just want the fking thing to work and make me some money.
phf: mircea_popescu: i think that it is shared between all designers, it's just that newbs have a very adhoc design space vision, it's better formed with experience
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm actually more of jungian
mircea_popescu: phf but your argument fundamentally is "there's no need for communication because the essence of all things is in all things", which is what that is.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, socrates used questions specifically for that fundamental reason - that understanding may only happen on the basis of what the understander contains, and naught else.
mircea_popescu: a point platon never quite groked, hence his terrible political failures.
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't take it all the way to the cave, i believe that one can tap into shared mythic space which has more to do with human condition than it does with humanless abstract. but for how often i'm misunderstood, i suspect that socratic method is much more effective.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I live in silly-con valley. If I - just - wanted to make money I'd be out doing it.
mircea_popescu: well, it certainly is much more effective when stuck with the apparent incomprehensible mysts, as seen here.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: we've already discussed this. I'm going to be selling masamune computers + related until the leap can be made from the cee machine to... something else
gabriel_laddel: we need masamune machines to design on top of until then
phf: mircea_popescu: that point is consistently being driven home. in fact i got to talk lisp to a bunch of random people and had a very visceral experience of the gap. hathayogapradipika says to keep your yoga secret, i.e. don't be a incomprehensible myst. but sometimes i still get carried away. ~some~ people grok me though, even when i start speaking internal experiences.
gabriel_laddel: under what circumstances is it appropriate to open a deli?
mircea_popescu: phf this "you already know all knowledge, just, you know, wash" is ridiculous enough, but nowhere the ridiculousness is in starker evidence than in the harem. "so i washed, can i bellydance yet ?" "no, wash more."
mircea_popescu: anyway, the incomprehensible mists were him, not you. who the hell knows what's in the box of a guy who does such contradictory things as alf pointed out. i wouldn't risk much on the theory we share any mythology, and it's not even directly evident gabriel_laddel actually lives meaningfully related to the human condition.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you will note that there exists no life of the spirit outside of exactly this "i will pick high level abstracrtion and proceed to allign realia to it"
mircea_popescu: the alternative to this is strictly "the lady of the lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft computador from the bosom of the lake"
mircea_popescu: romanian train (no need to discuss alloy, there were like 4) ; egyptian car (they'll use the best they can) ; etc. many possible contexts.
trinque: mircea_popescu: Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing computadors is no basis for a system of computing!
mircea_popescu: there's an overarching consensus that the germans would have broken britain had they not been cowards and kept up the london bombin.
mircea_popescu: in the end, material shortages decide a lot more than people like to think.
mircea_popescu: they cut down on losses ; instead of leaning into on losses.
mircea_popescu: that, incidentally, is a good entry into "female, necessary, biological cowardice". what do you do confronted with losses ? wind down ? or pip up ?
mircea_popescu: there's a reason we have domestic sheep but not domestic mice
mircea_popescu: so then there's the two and only two available strategies. the psychopath (the more i lose, the more i send, fuck you) ; and the woman (the more i lose, the less i send, may my children cover the earth).
mircea_popescu: (you can, incidentally, obtain polygonal holes - if not necessarily square - with odd shaped bit moving on two different orbits)
mircea_popescu: apparently not even folk - jordin kare is the propulsion guy neh ?
mircea_popescu: But the tricky bits here are these spheres within spheres, the Klein bottle tanks, the irrational gears
trinque: now he's going to deedbot torrent hashes and somehow make it all back
trinque: revolutionary blockchain technology
PeterL: speaking of which, where is the best place to find torrents?
mircea_popescu: in another life /me had set of five jade spheres, hand carved. whole thing about titsized.
mircea_popescu: also need a proper sized jade piece, which is rarer the bigger it gets.
mircea_popescu: "|I don't see why anyone would insist on a way to do things that does not solves the real problem, but rather solve an ancilliary problem that is a problem only because someone is very stubborn." << the political ineptidude of these people.
mircea_popescu: it is a problem BECAUSE I AM THE BOSS OF YOU ; NOT YOU THE BOSS OF ME.
mircea_popescu: his "car could go there some other way" requires car user to recognize "other way provider" as boss.
mircea_popescu: "car goes through your house" requires "other way provider" to recognize car owner as boss.
mircea_popescu: naggum's solution to "bitcoin is broken" would be pointedly not to "take over source and discharge the delusional folks "releasing" "versions" in their own mind" ; but instead to "find another way". perhaps what, spam the forums ? to build consensus ?
mircea_popescu: sanity in engineering includes confiscation of codebases. something he didn't do with mule.
mircea_popescu: this titanic "start from scratch" nonsense is not of interest
mircea_popescu: mkay then. the man's deeds and his words are not alligned.
mircea_popescu: see, this is kinda backwards. normally, one examines what subject says to understand what he did. not what subj
mircea_popescu: did to understand what he "meant" through "redefining what open() means in the middle of the text"
mircea_popescu: anyway ; im putting this off to an exquisitely bad metaphor, with the cars.
mircea_popescu: read in a charitable light, his point can perhaps be salvaged wrt lisp/unix.
mircea_popescu: "I think Free Software and Open Source addicts will get down from their current high and become tremendously frustrated when the obvious problem of having millions of pieces of source code available and they actually can't move in any direction because the ability to make modifications that they have so lauded in the past turn into a very serious problem when much bigger problems require modifications to much larger systems t
mircea_popescu: han the ones people today think are usefully modified locally." << this, for instance, is oddly half-true/half-delusional.
mircea_popescu: it's true foss died ; for which reason it carries little water here. but the frustration is a) the inability of foss to maintain strong immutability in front of organised crime, be it usg or otherwise ; b) the part where it can't actually move is valid, but not exactly for the reason he describes.
mircea_popescu: moreover for an array of half-related, half-unrelated reasons.
mircea_popescu: such as "in lowering the perceived barrier to entry, encourages idiots and degrades median code quality" ; "in encouraging writing over reading, it plays to software's weaknesses against its strengths" scl
mircea_popescu: it's not that "bigger systems require changes" AT ALL. on the contrary : it's that bigger systems do not PERMIT changes some idiots think they are entitled to.
mircea_popescu: yeah but it's a pretty mixed bag once he goes into discussion of it.
mircea_popescu: he has the strong excuse no bitcoin was there. but the main problem of bitcoin as "foss" is precisely this - that various idiots think they may change things.
mircea_popescu: and they have to constantly, painfully, slowly, humiliatingly be beaten down with a large stick.
mircea_popescu: so fucking far up their own ass is their head, that merely me ~saying~ something is stupid, which should be fucking enough among any group of adults with functional brains, is not,
mircea_popescu: and requires complex, timewasting, resource destroying, excursions in fuck you.
mircea_popescu: he ~almost~ nearly makes the "it is wrong to encourqage code writing over code reading" point, and then it oddly eludes him
mircea_popescu: but one could pretend the entire car nonsense was his trying to say that and no more.
mircea_popescu: guy's work would have greatly benefited of his having a log, where he could reference it properly to itself.
mircea_popescu: myeah. this blog thing seems to me very strictly a problem of "tools are 30 iq points".
mircea_popescu: you can explain to roman astronomer about proper numeration all you want.
mircea_popescu: but HAD he proper numeration, he'd be in such better a position.
mircea_popescu: when exactly was i allergic to it ; and for that matter i've been preaching blogging to people for years.
mircea_popescu: actually, starting the week after proper log/search/irc took off.
mircea_popescu: i suspect this may be a case of "you may not use that tool here" being taken for "i don't like that tool". it was a domain problem most likely, but do link ?
mircea_popescu: the beauty of the fucking logs - what is actually said can, and IS actually extricated from the "reasonable interpretation" it forms at the time of the saying. this is both a) a necessary effect of the passage of time and b) actually exponential rather than log or even liear. Moreover c) it actually provides aggregating benefits to everyone's toolset.
mircea_popescu: apparently these aren't ACTUALLY worth money after all ?
mircea_popescu: "how to cook crab ?" "make sure you have a half dozen or more"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 16:40 mircea_popescu: kinda why you need more womenz to process that payload.
mircea_popescu: myeah. kinda why the name of the game has been "suck it dry and expatriate all you can" for about a decade now.
mircea_popescu: it's just about clear the ship's hollow and will sink.
mircea_popescu: "alf's idea of a think he has no sensation access nor cares to reasses to has remained unchanged over the interval the foregoing held"
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 19:03 mircea_popescu: "alf's idea of a think he has no sensation access nor cares to reasses to has remained unchanged over the interval the foregoing held"
trinque: eh the money printing did the hockey-stick maneuver pretty recently
trinque: from its previous setting of "side of pyramid"
a111: Logged on 2013-12-25 21:05 mircea_popescu: Itzhak is a respectable moneylender in the small neighbourhood of Fool's Crossing.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-11 16:16 mircea_popescu: as it dislodges the meat robots from their comforts and forces them into towns.
trinque: why can't both cause the other
trinque: it was supposed to be central bank interest rates that sucked money out of the system
trinque: but this is fiction when they set at near zero or below
trinque: in this case the average consumer isn't saving shit. they're paying on house loans, student loans, so on.
trinque: central bank interest rate is afaik the rate it loans to other banks, which then themselves may speak a certain multiple of money into existence by virtue of holding the central bank's voodoo
trinque: so really the interest rate diddles the margins of how fast the flood of money occurs
☟︎ trinque: not whether it's sucked back up
trinque: certainly a mircea_popescutronic question
trinque: I wonder if it's truly that the USA was *that* wealthy that it had this far to fall, that there is not yet starvation.
☟︎ trinque: what a pathetic thing if so
trinque: begins to look like a great place to live, provided decent gas mask.
trinque: what does the lord's word say on bigfoot?
danielpbarron: I can see why the levianthan would be particularly hard to accept, seeing as how the thing is supposed to currently be alive in the ocean, whereas many of the other far-fetched sounding things in The Bible are supposed to have only existed long ago
danielpbarron: trinque, I don't think there is any mention of bigfoot in The Bible
a111: Logged on 2014-03-26 00:22 mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre suppose this guy comes to trade 5 with you.
a111: Logged on 2014-03-26 00:23 mircea_popescu: you don't know him, but know me. so you come to me
a111: Logged on 2014-03-26 00:23 mircea_popescu: "hey, what's this guy worth in trust ?"
pete_dushenski: no one else in my l1 has rated znort, so mp is my only tether here, and a seemingly tenuous one at that.
pete_dushenski: well other than emails from znort requesting a bailout loan from ol' petey, sure.
gribble: Error: "!" is not a valid command.
pete_dushenski: yesterday and into today. the conversation continues and will be published on contravex once it's all tied up.
pete_dushenski: contravex seems like a better spot for the emails, qntra can pick it up after as nyooz
pete_dushenski: while it might be obvious what goes on between nigerian scammers and their would-be prey, it never hurts to show the readers at home how their various attacks are thwarted.
danielpbarron: seems to me the news is now broke-- whatever the details. Not that the qntra competitors are gonna link to trilema logs as their source.. but still
☟︎ pete_dushenski: anyways, i'm a bit hesitant to throw the 'scammer' label at znort, but there's definitely some fishy smells about.
danielpbarron: lol i can't even load the b-a logs. I guess i'm blacklisted
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: by continuing the conversation, perhaps i'll find out just that. sick grandmother ? ransomware ?
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: qntra still has a place, even when news breaks in channel.
pete_dushenski: i recall the thread. it was persuasive as to the difficulty of the cut. in the end, 'scammer' is probably an accurate tag for bitbet's new owner.
pete_dushenski: sort of like valet taking ferrari to pick up gf while hustler is in the 'sino
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski a guy by that name was active back in 2011-2012 ; he made some corrections to mpex faq verbiage ; we've not kept in touch hence nor have i heard anything of him for a few years.
pete_dushenski: sort of what i gathered from the logs during bbet auction day. cheers.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 19:27 asciilifeform: which in practical terms simply means that now plebe has to indenture himself for 50, not 20, years, when 'buying' his cardboard boxhouse
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: wd on the latest blog post. made me realise i missed the last couple too!
mircea_popescu: after the very sad experinece of japanese re speculation in new york, this is a reasonable manoeuver, macro speakling.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, nobody said you can build escherian trestlework.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, if you start on one end you're stuck starting on the other too.
mircea_popescu: kinda the nature of ideal social systems : they force this sort of mistake.
pete_dushenski: vancouver is a prime example of this macro manoeuvre. recently announced 15% tax on foreign (read: chinese) buyers to boot.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 19:46 asciilifeform: but it is not clear, at least to me, that debased currency is a ~cause~ rather than ~symptom~ of cultural decay.
mircea_popescu: a readily visible, central reason why goldbugs per se are so intellectually laughable.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 19:58 asciilifeform: i am quite interested in the mechanisms whereby 1) goldmansachs usd are prevented from transmuting into turkey usd 2) plebes wielding turkey usd are restrained from putting unendurable pressure on supplies of limited resources, of the sort which lead to shortages and visible collapse.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: there's no one better than chinese gymnasts atm. just watch the olympics.
pete_dushenski: japanese men were close last time, but iirc chinese still took gold.
mircea_popescu: the moment they have sexual competition the whole thing comes apart.
mircea_popescu: that's the thing - female patience with ar loser IS fucking scarce
mircea_popescu: because they need so much and it's not naturally occuring - hasta be produced. hence all the luchamos gargle.
mircea_popescu: cunt is a major transaction medium, in point of fact ; seeing how sexual competition is the driver of economic move.
mircea_popescu: which is precisely why, widely speaking, economic progress happened in the west, with the sandyvagina'd women that didn't marry and didn't have kids, rather than i nthe east, or in china, with the loving and tolerant she-rabbits.
mircea_popescu: the nonsensical myth of the "pure" knight is specific of what, england, northern france/belgium/luxemburg, and northern italy.
mircea_popescu: bitchez dun put out, beta male goes to get pomodori, spices and whatnot, maybe it gets her hot ; or otherwise arab boi goes to fucking sweden, where it's cold and it sucks, to rape the swede horsewomen.
mircea_popescu: ukr chicks put out, ukr is the lol of all orcs, even the muscovi losers.
mircea_popescu: hence the whole protestantism thing. it delivered - they wiped the catholic tolerants.
mircea_popescu: history of england is quite interesting under this aspect.
mircea_popescu: majority catholic - fucking burgundy, which is now somehow inexplicably a country - owns it.
mircea_popescu: and then they got owned by the dutch. the DUTCH of all people!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, and spain IS because at some point the extremadura hos were putting out ~for the arabs~
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly, i should run an ad campaign here. "Be smart, don't fuck Argentines."
mircea_popescu: you should see this fucking place - 19yos going around WITH THEIR MOTHERS
mircea_popescu: i don't think i've ever seen this in romania. or for that matter the states.
mircea_popescu: girl that age would rather be caught sucking off pigs than sharing an intimate moment with her mother.
mircea_popescu: by and large if you wanted to start a cunt you pretty much had to have her mother spread her out for you.
mircea_popescu: as per the quote, "sfondami tutta! prendi mia figlia! te la faccio sverginare!"
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: That thing your submission discusses was already withdrawn. Otherwise it would have been in the News Roundup Xtend
shinohai: I haven't found *a single thing* to qntra this week
shinohai: Yeah, kinda weird. I started two submissions, then realized how dumb they sounded and canned 'em.
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, ah, so i shouldn't even publish it myself?
shinohai: Even scammers are starting to recycle scams, like PayCon.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well with some rewording that it failed you can self republish
BingoBoingo: I was tempted to write about the falling value of tits.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 20:06 trinque: so really the interest rate diddles the margins of how fast the flood of money occurs
mircea_popescu: maybe next pass you know, come 2019 or w/e, when i gotta move it from 0.02 to 0.001 or w/e
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, but not mockable News Roundup (TM)(R) marginal either. Next move prolly has a place.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519897 << yes, the us was inconceivably wealthy. i nthat 1985-1990 half decade / 5yrplan it could have literally convinced the globe to do anything. this is ultimate wealth. sadly they decided to use that capital to convince the globe "saddam had nuclear weapons" and "green energy/blabla ecolotardisms and assorted danquayleisms" instead.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 20:11 trinque: I wonder if it's truly that the USA was *that* wealthy that it had this far to fall, that there is not yet starvation.
mircea_popescu: possibly the largest case of wastage in the history of humanity.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> asciilifeform: there's no one better than chinese gymnasts atm. just watch the olympics.<< I thought black american hobbits were winning?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 20:06 asciilifeform: trinque: i know this. but am interested presently in where it interfaces with physical reality.
mircea_popescu: kinda why the clinton ticket is such nonsense to anyone not-a-pleb. the one thing obvious is things can't continue - how to let steam out, where etc are debatable, but her utterly mccain-ish notion of "all is well" smacks of such senile delusion as can scarcely be put into words.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Nah, I just caught that downthread you were talking about dudes.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 20:29 asciilifeform: even the ads. in particular, the ads.
mircea_popescu: the switch from representational to aspirational advertising is quite the direct reflection of the turning point.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Maybe if they didn't want oppressed they would have kept the Ras Tafari Haille Sellaise alive?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 22:36 mircea_popescu: wait what happened ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 13:38 mircea_popescu: phf and this because kim totally fucking won the assculture war.
mircea_popescu: road was paved by countless, nameless, black chicks shaking booty.
mircea_popescu: so that cvasi-jew may one day be accepted queen in their stead
mircea_popescu: (to go quite into the depths of this : /me has always suspected all the "upsetting" stories about how hairy kim is were i nfact strategic plants from her media strategist. to make her acceptable, for being ~jewish)
pete_dushenski: jlo's sorta sandy-haired, shakira hit the bleach bottle
mircea_popescu: image is everything ; substance dun count in this discussion.
pete_dushenski: kim was harped on for being hairy ? this is nooz to me. i thought she just got sassed for being, as chappelle would say, a nigger-lover.
mircea_popescu: re danielpbarron 's thing : yes, the texts do not support the reading of leviathan as demon. it is beast ; a sort of cow, or hippo or what have you.
mircea_popescu: check it out, us can now confiscate uk citizens np. nice.
mircea_popescu: recall the days the british navy pressed rando usians into 10 year ship washing terms ?
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem like the uk is declaring anything but "i'll hold her for you"
mircea_popescu: lol nice story though, guy worth 1/4bn is going to bother with 15k piddly us dollahs. this is almost as good as "we found a street hooker who's willing to swear she was a hotel maid and the european central bank prresident did vague things to her. honest!"
pete_dushenski: dun think they ever ended up in local journal, so prolly not
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the strauss-kahn idiot also went willingly.
mircea_popescu: dudes gotta learn, you don't visit barbarfic lands without proper bonds.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: aha. just recalled that i read a bio or two of streicher after your mention of him in the logs recently.
mircea_popescu: because they refuse to conceptualize that the us is a rogue state, why.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 21:41 danielpbarron: seems to me the news is now broke-- whatever the details. Not that the qntra competitors are gonna link to trilema logs as their source.. but still
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i meant people, not rando "i crawled out of a woman at some point"
mircea_popescu: is naggum people ? he's not in the wot. what standard shall we apply.
mircea_popescu: i dunno the missionary, and don't care to remedy this.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519996 << this is altogether unclear. this "the people have the right to trace the coins" is a) still nonsense, bitcoin is not traceable ; b) still nonsense, forget the "dao" bullshit ; c) still nonsense, you trust the operator or you don't trust the operator.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 21:51 asciilifeform: touched shitfinex or ANY exchange while bets are hot ? scammer.
mircea_popescu: while i ran bitbet there was no specific guarantee made that "the coins" would be found in any place or not found in any place. this specifically, explicitly and intentionally ; against at least three different attempts to "community organize" and assorted nonsense.
mircea_popescu: covertress i've been in contact with a lively, nicely titted waitress. i think this makes it 1-0 for me.
covertress: ahh, yes, I've seen your numbered exploits posted here. lulz
mircea_popescu: nobody asked you anything of how bitbet's capital is to be used by bitbet.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: bitcoin is fungible. you hold a claim to a sum, not to any sort of otherwise specifiable coins.
covertress: mircea_popescu, I've meant to speak w you in private but, thought it rude to PM you.
mircea_popescu: understand - just because i'm the king and queen and can afford to leave whatever untold bitcoin fortunes lay fallow in whatever addresses for yeasrs at a time - does not give you the right to expect or demand such.
mircea_popescu: this is just another of those "sunk costs of mp's that we don't recognize nor compensate him for - just expect bitbet to magically work for free"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i don't expect ~anyone else would afford to do this. period.
mircea_popescu: covertress as we don't know each other, we have nothing to discuss "in private". public will work jus' fine.
covertress: I would like to propose a visit then, during my return leg from Shanghai.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is another problem of the prev discussed "bitbet" theme - without a proper cash market and cash insurance, it's pretty fucking hard to get it going.
mircea_popescu: covertress aite, i'll buy you a steak. you ever had a proper steak ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform whether he will pay with balls, wife, or a cute poem, is mp\s problem ; but you're to expect you will be paid.
mircea_popescu: a then you can tell me what you think of the local cut.
covertress: then I believe we now have something to discuss in private
mircea_popescu: get in touch when you're here, i'll send someone to pick you up or such covertress .
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this makes the... shit i lost count-th lady flying into weird uncharted lands to meet with me.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 23:19 mircea_popescu: this is just another of those "sunk costs of mp's that we don't recognize nor compensate him for - just expect bitbet to magically work for free"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: What every Indiancandi has the same name or something?
a111: Logged on 2016-03-14 16:33 phf: nubbins`: it's a shame that you chose this approach for your denouncement. some people are here (myself, maybe ascii) not to make money, but to fuck around with novel ways of doing things. it would've been nifty if, as a "lord" if you will, you picked up the game and made your accusations formal, maybe solicited a judge from the wot, made it interesting somehow! you don't have to obviously, but the approach that you chose was basic and
mircea_popescu: it wasn't a significant sum - think, i threw away 1k btc to humiliate buffett, i threw away 5 fucking btc for stuff like the contest that produced "shall be delivered" ; etc. moreover, to correctly account for it would have likely cost more.
mircea_popescu: it's not a complaint ; it's a statement of fact, made at a time it's required to be made to protect the business environment from public insanity.
mircea_popescu: anyway, don't misunderstand the "not to make money" bit, it's in my case a coincidence not a virtue. go, make money, absolutely no shame in it. a lot of shame in luchamos juntos blablala, so there's that.
mircea_popescu: yes, this may be. the problem is that THE SOLUTION you originally envisaged / the STATEMENT of the problem you originally used is braindead. this is, ironically, very much approached to his worship our bishop's objections - in that merely thinking you "should be able" to technologize your way into heaven is scarce guarantee you will in fact manage such.
mircea_popescu: yes, little difference between idiot putting bitcoin into bitfinex and idiot putting bitcoin into canadian lottery. but this is not the same as saying "we shall now has smart contracts bitbet"
mircea_popescu: in general, unless someone is ~central bank, it'll be difficult for them to ignore the time-value of capital.
mircea_popescu: some fish might be too big to care ; but in general fish that aren't too big to care are required, economically, to maximize the usage of resources.
mircea_popescu: sure. but this is a conclusion that requires analysis above the pay grade to make.
mircea_popescu: very pernicious vicious circle / catch 22 sort of situation.
mircea_popescu: let me put it this way : the fact that we don't have a proper money market is much more the problem of "the community" than the problem of the misfortunate whoever that ran bitbet. whether he was a scammer or not, as a factual matter, as an idealised, theoretical construct the observation stands.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But you wear a Cardinal's College!
mircea_popescu: yes, it's not even altogether clear there CAN be such a thing as a bitcoin-equivalent of the fiat money market. yes, problems of all sorts, yes yes yes. and yet - what's he to do ?
mircea_popescu: not even a temptation. the ECONOMIC DRIVE! if he doesn't - another will. and neither he nor the other are mp, to obliterate any conceivable competition by simple fucking logos like a thing out of the sacred texts. so what's he to do ?
mircea_popescu: you think the average us banker DIDNT know, throughout the 2000s , that they're going straight into real estate crisis ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think i ever spoke against a hanging, maybe if nice tits invovled or something, but rare enough.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 23:45 mircea_popescu: let me put it this way : the fact that we don't have a proper money market is much more the problem of "the community" than the problem of the misfortunate whoever that ran bitbet. whether he was a scammer or not, as a factual matter, as an idealised, theoretical construct the observation stands.
mircea_popescu: the italians all had proper risk and insurance markets.
mircea_popescu: SHYLOCK: Three thousand ducats; 'tis a good round sum. Three months from twelve; then, let me see; the rate...
mircea_popescu: there's more substance to lending than the naive christian "asking a living out of bare metal".
mircea_popescu: actually there's more substance to lending than ~anyone ever alive ever realised.
mircea_popescu: mno. "i don't see how they did" and "i see how they didn't" are quite widely spaced apart.
mircea_popescu: if you don't catch fdmjkrlehkjer now, shall a dead genoan send you the bill ?
mircea_popescu: the rousseau nonsense is unrelated to our discussion so far.