ben_vulpes: "the “large majority†of the rise was driven by births to foreign-born women."
trinque: ben_vulpes: foreign born german women tho! because they're german nao!
mircea_popescu: anyway. german state/govt has a point : peons are replaceable. if they won't fuck - there's orcs somewhere that will.
trinque: gotta have them to give welfare so they can be taxed, or something
trinque: the cycles in this graph boggle
scriba: Logged on 2016-10-18: [04:09:26] <ben_vulpes> "the “large majority†of the rise was driven by births to foreign-born women."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform phuctor/stats just times out. i suspect this happens A LOT. nething we can do about it ?
mircea_popescu: now it does. what hapopens i suspect is that the queue for the cache becomes overlong, then when a requyest hits the machine starts processing it, takes > 30 s or w/e it is, the connection timeouts
mircea_popescu: so could the cache be reconstructed houry or somesuch to avoid this ?
ben_vulpes: mega promisetronics in urbit docs: informal conventions designed to motivate a healthy ownership structure "
Framedragger:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161018/#23 << it is a pity that nginx caching mechanism does not support stale-while-revalidate - which is: if client requests page which hasn't expired in cache, serve from cache; if expired in cache, serve (the stale version) from cache, and update *in the background*. this is RFC 5861. apparently supported in newer varnish tho.
scriba: Logged on 2016-10-18: [04:38:11] <mircea_popescu> now it does. what hapopens i suspect is that the queue for the cache becomes overlong, then when a requyest hits the machine starts processing it, takes > 30 s or w/e it is, the connection timeouts
mircea_popescu: the solution where it's simply computed with some frequency is better.
Framedragger: i don't know if it's better, but yeah a cronjob would indeed work. *however*, you then may not get around those exceptional cases where client requests page which is still processing from cronjob request - and cache already expired. unless you set it to be tightly timed i guess?
Framedragger: maybe it's just a matter of having cronjob hit server in intervals which are smaller than cache expiry time.
mircea_popescu: very simple to show it's better : stale-while-revalidate will show arbitrarily old data to some users ; periodic-recalculate will never show data older than the period.
Framedragger: true. *unless you have both* (so you have ceiling on time). but at that point... yeah ok, cronjob is easier and better, heh.
mircea_popescu: certainly easier. and once oyu have it in, adding the other adds no utility.
mircea_popescu: anyone remember that line where asciilifeform said something like "dorks prove cryptosystem security by the theorem that if it looks complicated to them it probably is complicated enough" ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger amusingly, he didn't officially report having enough with them to allow him to get that.
mircea_popescu: his declared jp morgan fortunes were 500k to 1mn ; the minimum net worth for the 4147-20 "saphire preferred signature extra hurr durr" is 25mn
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: lol. maybe they accept alternative "patriot dividends" as asset
mircea_popescu: in other lulz... hillary shit-ton is going into "digital currencies". VEN!
mircea_popescu: mats btw how's mosul ? the beobachter surprisingly speaks of "tough resistance" and "slowed advance" ?
mats: coalition forces are busy clearing surrounding villages
mats: soleimani? there's no independent verification he's in country
mats: he doesn't have a passport at any rate
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, kurdish zone population swelled 30% in the past year, all civil servants and pashmerga salaries are in arears, and oil prices stay low.
jhvh1: thestringpuller: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: yangwao voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha it is up to bank to decide if it wants to offer services to rich merchant "based on its risk appetite" ? is it also open for bank to decide if it wants to offer services to muslims etc ?
mircea_popescu: "Either a priapic clown or an embalmed witch are going to be running this country next year, and all I have is a case of fermented corn syrup." << lol!
mircea_popescu: dude... so you sit down to read an article, like a phrase in it, keep going only to notice you're actually mentioned.
mircea_popescu: and in totally unrelated news, hyaluronic acid is not really available this side od the pond ?
mircea_popescu: let it be pointed out that it's the best anal fissure curative agent.
thestringpuller: Why is ASIC procurement feel like I'm trying to set up a large drug deal????
thestringpuller: Every time I mention miners to a supplier they freak out and vanish.
mircea_popescu: possibly because you're wasting your time with internet dorks who aren't involved in asic market ?
thestringpuller: nah these are irl people I meet and buy btc from who seem to have "deep supply", so I have on idea where they source their funds
mircea_popescu: bout same as current cunts. there's a reason all that's available to the general population on dating sites is well used 40+yos
shinohai: !~later tell thestringpuller will ping in a bit, got pm's shut off again so I can concentrate
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: kristi doesn't have any sql anything on her computor ?
trinque: ahaha here's what I was just typing:
trinque: relational db must be rewritten in Lisp and there must be a CLIM interface written for it
trinque: asciilifeform: no, it's much closer than that
trinque: but everyone uses relational databases like an idiot
mircea_popescu: in honesty i always found this entire "reorder it by timeline" bulky and ineffectual. my mental teeth always did this wire clenching by itself
trinque: persistent CLOS with a CLIM gadget per table would be *precisely* the thing.
mircea_popescu: so today we find ben_vulpes has taken a celerity vow, which is like a chastity vow ("you shall not fucke") but it goes "you shall not worke for empire"
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's some literary talent in the idle fucker, who'd have guessed ?
ben_vulpes: just a classic 'how to make a peanut butter sandwich' instructional piece
trinque wonders aloud wtf asciilifeform has against the relational model
trinque: answers involving SQL are automatic disqualification
trinque: I've been doing all sorts of things with CLIM bolted to postgresql lately
trinque: the clim part gives me anything I'd have wanted from hypercard
trinque: I walk one step at a time like any fella
trinque: Codd is not very complicated
trinque: the provided example incurs "AND ALSO ALL OF MAC OS" as postgresql incurs item on Linux
trinque: not terribly much more to CLIM, other than sanity around which parts of buffer to redraw
a111: Logged on 2015-08-19 00:18 asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
mircea_popescu: incidentally : the whole "what part of buffer to redraw" and the assorted nonsense comes from a time of scanning crts. i would be very much interested to see computing hardware built around a lcd paradigm. which is to say : no more hdds ; everything is flash rom, the "hdd", the "ram", the "display". arrays of x by y cells is all.
trinque: I suppose I'll just wait around for this before writing anything.
mircea_popescu: if i want to see a 1mb page of "ram" on my display whop's to prevent me. "real time" wtf is that.
mircea_popescu: anyway - a tightly coupled video-ram bridge would even do away with the dumbass "drivers" and etc.
mircea_popescu: by now "gpu" can move on to its proper niche as... hash engine (ie, what in period lingo would be "math coprocessor") and the video can go back to being straight up dac
trinque: this is not related to the discussion of CLIM at all
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform even a modest 1024x768 screen would be 2mb which is not bad for memory inspectionz either
trinque: you'd still at the application layer be describing operations on a plane which are a function over the previous plane producing the next
trinque: but not as though this isn't cool
mircea_popescu: trinque i don't think you appreciate the horror of directx/opengl, for blessed lack of experience. but if you wish to get spooked and not be able to sleep ever again, do review the history of opengl 2006-2016 in context.
mircea_popescu: the insanity that occured. the errors. the nvida game developer dessant teams. the whole decade.
mircea_popescu: taking the god damned gpu hardware out of the computer would improve it immensely.
trinque: I can't just hide in this nice niche where I call (draw-circle* ...) and the thing does?
mircea_popescu: just the issues of bad blipping, flipped buffers, jesus almighty.
mircea_popescu: do you understand that the "graphics" ad-hoc card-programming was more code than the actual game for most studios in the period ?
trinque: I got lost somewhere in between pixels should be (x,y,color) and mount OpenGL
trinque: I tend to agree with the former
trinque: and the former maps nicely to being a CLIM backend, i.e. a framebuffer port of the thing wouldn't be that hard
mircea_popescu: pixels really are just color(rgb), 3 bytes. the xy is implicit.
trinque: but I'm speaking of the application layer; eventually you're talking about an X,Y position, no?
mircea_popescu: this (xy) thing is a raster artefact. i'm not fucking scanning the pixels.
trinque: somebody does the math for the circle
mircea_popescu: sure. but in your hands not in the fucking crazy chip.
trinque: certainly not in the chip; CLIM is a very high level thing, akin to hypercard or the browser and not a video driver
trinque: that's the divergence here
mircea_popescu: basically printing the screen with tits should be cat tits.bmp > screen0
mircea_popescu: and if i want to do a slideshow i do a for loop, and the machine cycles through the bmps as fast as memory updates, which is to say i get 2GHz ie 2 bn fps.
mircea_popescu: aha. imagine that thing, with individually wired pixels, the cable coming out of its back as thick as the fucking viewport.
trinque: so that goes an entirely different direction from RAM full of sequential pixels, eh?
trinque: still same horizontal scan pattern instead of tracing out the vector shapes?
mircea_popescu: eh, vector display was this attempt of console people in the 80s to fight the killer micro.
mircea_popescu: apparently they did one of the very few honest attempts at 3d, with spinning half-black disk and everything.
trinque: right, so what mircea_popescu described with tits.bmp is a framebuffer
trinque wants to understand why asciilifeform balked when I said draw-circle goes and alters that framebuffer
trinque: if there's no video card, I assume there is just an area of ram currently being used as such
trinque: could have as many as you like, tell the video output thinger that offset x to x+n is the frame
mircea_popescu: screen shows what's in ram. no more, no less. at the fps here considered, these artefacts aren't more significant than the speaker hum due to being powered off ac not dc
mircea_popescu: that's what i'm saying. make a fucking proper lcd alrerady, who the fuck heard of this crt-emulated-in-lcd
mircea_popescu: about as stupid as creating a mechanical drum for the usb stick
mircea_popescu: "oh you can't read there, the selector is not on that cell!"
mircea_popescu: fucking factory model that gave us the usg in the end. "oh this is where we process things". damn it.
mircea_popescu points out that a 1024x768 bundle of wires, 786.5k total is not unthinkable. at 50 microns each + 30 insulation you'll end up with a cable bundle 4 inches thick, big deal. a girl could take it in either hole with a little practice!
mircea_popescu: and i don't need a wire. i'm just using the wire to loosen headcunts.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> yes dram gave you 'gigabyte per chip', nevermind ~of what~ << DRAMs of rum also refreshed the Royal Navy's gift of sodomy
mircea_popescu: otherwise in mosul, the fight is now supposed to take two months, a 50% upgrade, and from the locals “The Iraqi army arrived yesterday and took the town, and today Isis came back and the army ran away. We weren’t expecting this.”
mircea_popescu: who the fuck ever heard of regular forces winning an attrition fight with insurgents and who the fuck is the imbecile strategist that allowed this to play out...
mircea_popescu: apparently the pashmerga have decided they're not going to go any further. iraqi "police" is on its own.
trinque: BingoBoingo: s/part/party/ in first point
trinque: s/Clitler hold/Clitler to hold/