mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel then your schedule's no good, throw it out make another.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: no. throw out the unix nonsense and make predictions about how long it will take to write CL, which I can reason about.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel any schedule you make that doesn't include a fixed time to get pubkey is for that reason unusable ; throw it out and re-do.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: mk. Will do tonight. Am presently getting X11 log for ascii.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:21 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i'd loot a lot more than 10s of mns if i found a way to reliably get people to do the things that need done rather than the sexy things they want to do BEFORE they are old enough for their active life to be mostly behind them.
phf has been working this entire time
trinque: it strikes me that there is a perversity in "serving a man in your own way"
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:47 asciilifeform: i find it interesting that (iirc) gabriel_laddel was mega-aficionado of my www, but will not take any of my advice nao.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I envision 1. masamune is self-hosting, with the ability to replicate itself onto a livecd containing all sources used to build it, that can then produce like replicants. 2. no more updates to ALGOL systems, ever, given that all the sources needed for the lisp environment are self-contained. 3. A CLIM system manager that abstracts ov
gabriel_laddel: er equery/emerge (more details later) 4. using this *stable* platform to do simulations for sane computing in CL 5. supporting this venture by leveraging lisp/clim/climacs/macsyma/sbcl against the rest of the world, which cannot produce GUIs / code / production systems as quickly.
trinque: but oh right, "great artists steal"
trinque: what a misunderstood item that was
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 00:10 trinque: it strikes me that there is a perversity in "serving a man in your own way"
jurov: i can picture several ways how this approach to self-hosting can fail, but does not look like you're open to advices
jurov: i'd think of something that touches only malloc, filesystem (optional) and communicates only vnc/X11 via socket
gabriel_laddel: jurov: I'm open to advice, I just disagree with them. What's on your mind?
jurov: there are still too many moving parts, what do you do when you find catastrophic bug in X, or it has only hardware drivers for devices that can't be bought anymore?
gabriel_laddel: jurov: patch it and share with WOT. If it cannot be fixed, make a note of it and distribute.
jurov: mircea wanted similar freeze with eulora, i can't imagine it
jurov: you will backport drivers to ancient X server?
gabriel_laddel: jurov: all the other masamune machines out in the wild are running the same sources as I am
gabriel_laddel: jurov: what? no, we're going to bake our own hardware.
mircea_popescu: <gabriel_laddel> jurov: I'm open to advice, I just disagree with them. << lol!
jhvh1: Last 1 lines bashed and pending publication
jurov: 5 years go by, video card breaks and can't be bought, what now?
mircea_popescu: jurov yes, the problem is not well solved and not evidently solvable, but this doesn't make it not a problem.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: Xorg.0.log: paste.lisp.org/display/332951
jurov: gabriel_laddel: you should enable debug info and reemerge world to get meaningful backtraces
jurov: till that you can run xorg under strace and give that to alf
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:38 phf: programmer's stone made a point long time ago that you need to be really fucking relaxed to write quality code
phf: adlai: you don't want to read it too closely, i certainly am not going to waste my time defending nitpicking
adlai: re: 'dope', lose the alpha-methyl... much more useful effects, at least in my (limited) experience coding under such influences
adlai is speaking broadly here. literally taking the alpha-methyl off 'meth' is not the intent here, but rather nominating for consideration substituted PEAs such as mescaline
adlai: in other news, physics lecturer is quite good: "being here does not excuse you from thinking, rather thinking is required of you" also "i can explain everything you want, but you'll have to start listening". so he's not quite throwing out the idiots, but it looks like he goes as far as he can without getting his jerb tooken away
adlai: what i can't fathom is this fetish all the teachers have for writing content by hand in realtime, rather than clicking a button and having a computer instantly display a legible, proofread, typeset, etc version
mod6: whoops. meant to remove that second paragraph out of the SoBA all. my apologies. please ignore that part.
shinohai: Still, quite the productive month.
adlai recently tried pressing & building trb on fbsd; did not go well, needs another attempt. but for now - sleep.
mod6: adlai: yeah, to make it work on bsd you need some special tweaks. otherwise, won't go.
mod6: adlai: also, thanks :]
shinohai thinks a bsd version should be added to how-to in future
mod6: shinohai: well, at one point the one patch we had made that possible, but with buildroot now in the mix, im not sure. would have to be dug into.
☟︎ mod6: and mainly there is so much other non-infrastructure related work to do, i think that's taking a back-seat unless someone steps up to work on it and contribute.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:01 asciilifeform: (postscript is, approximately, a hypertrophied forth)
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:32 asciilifeform: i think erdos never ate 100g even in his 75 yr working life
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:36 gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: tried cocaine yet?
mircea_popescu: adlai it's not entirely evident to me that average intelligence person could not make excellent programmer. contrary to the "consensus" on the topic, programming is much more a matter of not being dumb than of being "creative"
mircea_popescu: and dumb is by and large an apanage reserved to the "intelligent"
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:53 trinque: the mind will create elaborate narratives to justify addiction. never affected me directly, but I've seen it.
mircea_popescu: in random fun facts : soviet military expenditure in the 30s was ~12% of gdp. it jumped to ~18% in early 1940. this is BEFORE germany invaded (1941). today "normal" military expenditure is 1.x%, from japan and australia to italy or germany. the us does ~3.x. of the rich countries, the saudis are the only ones being reasonable (ie, over10%). the jews are half that.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 441366 | Current Difficulty: 2.818009171931958E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 441503 | Next Difficulty In: 137 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 21 hours, 37 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: New Trilema header image, much chest hair!
deedbot: garmin voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !!up garmin Speak now or prolly never get voice again
deedbot: garmin voiced for 30 minutes.
garmin: hi all... testing my pocket chip micro... fat figering a micro qwerty ;-p
BingoBoingo: garmin: WHo is your daddy and what does he do?
BingoBoingo: lol Did cazalla ship it to you before or after slaughter?
BingoBoingo: Classic Trilema, why not linked in the lazy libertard series?
mircea_popescu: "learn about seattle" ? this whole "educating" libertard bullshit. it's not a town see, it's a seattle, you gotta "learn about windows" lest you approach it with reasonable expectations and methodologies. o no, you gotta first fuck your head into a seattleshape.
mircea_popescu: "he's not really a monkey, he's just a sarin gas peddler"
mod6: NoSuchLabs: Congrats!
mod6: haha, i certainly will. probably wont be order for a day or so... think you'll have enough to meet the demand?
mircea_popescu: " I thought just moving your mouse or doing something on the computer already fills up /dev/random, and it's only a big problem on major servers. Is this not right?" << there's a SHOCKING amount of this. nsa's doing god's work with these people, absolutely.
mircea_popescu: wet huh. here too. exactly same temp, but 100% humidity.
davout: mircea_popescu asciilifeform congratulations
mircea_popescu: anyway. will be building tons so. put your order in we'll get to it.
mod6: ok. bummed cause i just got the mailing shit all setup
mod6: but will place order tomorrow then proll.y
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Current Blocks: 441388 | Current Difficulty: 2.818009171931958E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 441503 | Next Difficulty In: 115 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 18 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: 441386 (Merkle Root c8f8c5889e5d8d61c40f23cbb9b9e60a809c1d516a69834379aa68f7467d8857 Hash 000000000000000002e85349ac1deb78507a9d9a514ba2cd439c1a537c248c56 ) doesn't seem to verify.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess BingoBoingo has it. ima see what the girls are up to.
jhvh1: 3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
jhvh1: danielpbarron: [KJV] Proverbs 3:5 :: Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
mircea_popescu: bullshit btcc pool "oh we'll be creative and send 2.5 cents to a buncha addresses" psssh.
mircea_popescu: anyway. legacy prb clients need >10 minutes to disentangle that sorta shit fwiw.
thestringpuller: court ruled against Coinbase favor. IRS to get 2 years of Bitcoin user records and identities
mircea_popescu: well at least coinbase did everything to protect its users /s
shinohai: !~later tell mod6 V is not including the the privkey vpatch during sync, has it not been added to site yet? (Building the new thing you posted last night)
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Current Blocks: 441432 | Current Difficulty: 2.818009171931958E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 441503 | Next Difficulty In: 71 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 10 hours, 35 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the conclusion is, 2k+ txn blocks took significant time on old clients ; and this made them exceed the 10min magic delay and trip an alert.
mircea_popescu: "Whenever I got a team ready to be really useful, there would be a bizarre negative reaction from all sorts of other people who were employed within the same organizations, but were not part of the teams I was working with. Sometimes this effect was so strong it could become a workplace hazard, and it always grew until the teams themselves were no longer able to function." <<< mediocrity is not a lack of intelligence, it is i
mircea_popescu: ntelligence entirely dedicated to the task of survival.
jurov: S.QNTR distributed.
mircea_popescu: my mind's eye foresees a time when all comms will consist of this. gossipd over irc!
mod6: shinohai: yeah, for now, it's just in the email. you can just grab the attachments and place them where they belong. i'll place them both in the mirror at some point, not too long
shinohai: No worries mod6 ..... the new patch did fine, nice work getting that out so quickly
shinohai: Maybe they need an rng to generate a key first. >.>
shinohai: I have a whole btctalk thread regarding peoples lack of following simple instructions.
trinque: asciilifeform: congrats on shipping your first product !
mod6: shinohai: the rawtx one or the privkey_tools ?
mod6: cool. we'll have to discuss some testing scenarios later today or whatever.
shinohai: Yes I haven't done much with it yet besides verify the bitcoind snarfs blocks and that the flag produces a message
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 01:52 mod6: shinohai: well, at one point the one patch we had made that possible, but with buildroot now in the mix, im not sure. would have to be dug into.
trinque: phf: where's that patch at btw?
phf: asciilifeform: oh so it doesn't crosscompile? i though buildroot explicitly builds all own gcc and family etc
phf: trinque: i'm wondering myself :D i thought it's on btcbase, but apparently not
phf: oh i misunderstood your original sentence, yeah, we are on the same page
phf: i think bsd patch might predate v
mod6: yeah, it predates v im sure. i'll dig up the email...
phf: asciilifeform: no, it's a gcc bug that's present on all systems
phf: i think it only manifests on openbsd
mircea_popescu: i'm a fucking pioneer, been doing it since the last millenium!
phf: asciilifeform: ~on all systems~ ~static linking~ of pthread is ~not guaranteed~ to work
phf: "On some Linux distributions libpthread.a
phf: has all the objects linked together with ld -r and therefore this will just work there, on others you need -Wl,--whole-archive -lpthread -Wl,--no-whole-archive" (from comment)
phf: researching the problem i came across a lot of "my static linked openbsd program just crashes! ... ... -lpthread ... ...", but also a handful of linux ones
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 15:29 trinque will be placing an order soon
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 15:51 asciilifeform: unrelated lel, how many folx see 'PLEASE read the instructions !' and then drop something other than pgpgram in the funnel
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 15:54 asciilifeform: (idiot pgp still needs 256 rng bits for aes session keys, when transmitting, and this is own can of lolworms)
phf: asciilifeform: that's a good question, i haven't isolated the bug, but i'm pretty sure on openbsd crashes instantaneously. note that c++ threads are involved, so perhaps they try to initialize things even before you start using them?
phf: asciilifeform: is usb convertable to rs-232 with a ~limited~ application of soldering iron?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-29 14:36 mircea_popescu: speaking of above article, can i get a commitment to never signing any V material which includes any non-ascii characters ? BingoBoingo diana_coman hanbot trinque mod6 danielpbarron mircea_popescu mike_c asciilifeform davout ben_vulpes phf jurov
phf: it's a right and proper design
phf: (i finished the docs)
jurov: i guess they specialize to very different niches of govt ecosystem than alf
☟︎ jurov: sorry, pls what was that "25 times more productive" link? somwhow can't find it in the log
phf: when i said "programmers stone" i meant papers published by blog's author in 97 or so, which are very vague and speculative but had some interesting ideas about programming. most references to subj in oldfag circles result in "oh yeaaah i member" reaction. the blog has not much to do with original
ben_vulpes: and a pike of entropy sitting in the corner
phf: asciilifeform: it ~is~ the infamous mappers and packers thing, m&p is first chapter
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 01:24 mircea_popescu: I blame Eric Raymond and to a lesser extent Dave Winer for bringing this kind of schlock writing onto the Internet. Raymond is the original perpetrator of the "what is a hacker?" essay, in which you quickly begin to understand that a hacker is someone who resembles Eric Raymond. Dave Winer has recently and mercifully moved his essays off to audio, but you can still hear him snorfling cashew nuts and talking at length about wh
phf: well, yeah, it's cybermysticism :) follows a long tradition that well predates eric raymond
phf: i would've prefered criticism that involved quotes (since there are plenty of things to make fun of), rather than a somehwat off mark general trash talking
phf: those quotes are from blog, not the original site
phf: earlier in thread that is
phf: i just linked it to you ffs
phf: but anyway, the reason why i mentioned it, and the one thing of value that i derived from progstone is the idea of stess addiction. i'm not sure about the mechanism that he proposes, but identifying and neutralizing sources of needless stress served me well for many years since i read it
phf: also made me rather mistrustful of a lot of "hacker culture" elements, like too much coffee, night hacking, after hour sprints, weekend hacking, all things that i've confirmed from experience to contributing to atrocious code
☟︎ phf: i always thought that kind of classification is "people like me and people not like me", but i like your take too.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:42 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must disagree, i was quite close to, e.g., 'v', for very long time before finally wrote it.
phf: the first part of writing happens in a mapper mode, i.e. daydreaming for lack of better word before any kind of code is actually written, second in packer i.e. actual typing. that's also when cocaine/caffeine/aderal might help
phf: plan with vodka, execute with cocaine -- stalin
jhvh1: shinohai: Error: Problem retrieving latest block data.
phf: haha, most definitely. cocaine is all the upper echelons (the drug of choice on capitol hill), alcohol is for the grunts. aspiring managers notably prefer vodka redbulls are a nodick compromise
trinque: who is this person that felt like they could figure things out on cocaine? then later saw that they in fact, had.
trinque has advocated various dopes in the past solely because they were fun, like camping is fun, but I don't write code camping either. I camp.
☟︎ trinque is not particularly addiction prone
trinque: smokes for bit, stops cold one day. same experience with the powdery one.
trinque: still didn't feel superhuman on either; more like excited dog that has to sniff everything in a loop
☟︎ phf: i'd like to mention that sherlock holmes used cocaine ~only~ in between cases
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 13:01 mircea_popescu: not ben_vulpes' !
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 17:27 asciilifeform: fact that if the base library dependency isn’t there, the component can’t link to it. He looked at me and said, “There are no facts, there are only opinions, and all opinions are equal.” ...'
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 17:30 jurov: i guess they specialize to very different niches of govt ecosystem than alf
ben_vulpes: one of the few psyochoactive experiments left on my list is the eyedropper bottle of cocaine/alcohol solution
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you ever examined the nasal septum of long term coke whore ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: indeed have, why do you ask?
jurov: ben_vulpes: already tried eyedropping tobacco extract? not very psychoactive but very purifying instead
mircea_popescu: because i can't conceive why'd you want to do that to your cornea.
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: there's a metabolite that comes out when digestion booze and coke together
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nah, traditional oral application
ben_vulpes: good idea though! i've dropped many a dose of 'acid' into 'friends' eyeballs.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: or even more dilute, through a whole cocktail
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel_p: it is the poor modern americans resynthesis of the original coke + booze cocktails
gabriel_laddel_p: I cannot currently up myself, but have registered a new key for gabriel_laddel_p
trinque: and he was just about to win the war, even!
ben_vulpes: lol what is that a lisp predicate joke gabriel_laddel_p ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p so is this actually going to be your key or are you gonna lose it in six weeks ?
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: I'm going to recover my old key, sign this one.
deedbot: asciilifeform rated gabriel_laddel_p 1 << possibly == gabriel_laddel
shinohai: Lamport parachute or it didn't happen.
mircea_popescu: !!rate gabriel_laddel_p 1 Crazed Cali Kid, but at least banging his head against a goldmine rather than a brick wall.
mircea_popescu: !!v CADE8827752416FE04C18CBB70886AE4B6573C376EE93B81A4FA771DCFE2ABE9
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated gabriel_laddel_p 1 << Crazed Cali Kid, but at least banging his head against a goldmine rather than a brick wall.
trinque: !!rate gabriel_laddel_p 1 will replace with old rating when key ownership is proved
trinque: !!v 96533527176896B9F4A475C5B768571233BAC59F4CF81F8F856087FD87EA6855
deedbot: trinque rated gabriel_laddel_p 1 << will replace with old rating when key ownership is proved
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 01:42 shinohai: This may be the best story I have seen all day: Former gay porn actor turned German spy arrested for secretly being a Jihadist
http://archive.is/9SQqY a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 17:41 asciilifeform: i find it interesting that the authors of these (and there are many) virtually never mention even approx. ~what~ their 'super team' of 'super people' was DOING
mircea_popescu: not even. they assume that everyone's an imbecile, and therefore will discuss what's said. so if they tell you about the money they spent you'll discuss money spent and if they tell you about his abs you'll discuss abs.
mircea_popescu: because nobody has any shade of completeness left anywhere.
mircea_popescu: and consequently : he simply does not want it to be a discussion about that, so he doesn't mention it.
mircea_popescu: he doesn't even realise that this is moo-ing for moo-ers, not discourse for people.
mircea_popescu: the sad fact of the matter is that the brain is not a reasoning engine. in a very purely naturalistic, bio-logical way, this is sensible. the practice of "talk to the text, not context or subtext" has become established through moo practice
☟︎ mircea_popescu: brain is not reasoning engine in the sense rectum is not vagina.
mircea_popescu: the recent trilema byline about mediocrity conversely states "there is no perversity other than thinking"
trinque: asciilifeform: what is this external thing that the brain wont go along with willingly?
mircea_popescu: trinque the structure of representation qua representation does not particularly match the structure of reality qua reality.
trinque: I was the kid who voraciously wanted to learn, ended up tiring of starving, went wandering in the woods for food.
trinque: it is a strange creature that resists learning, or work.
mircea_popescu: consider the illustrative case of physics. newtonian mechanics (representation structured as representation) is valuable because a) it works in representative terms, ie, math and b) matches observable reality. but there is no objective relation between a and b, which is why science fiction can exist for instance ; and also why the only thing that can be said about nm is that it's ... not correct.
mircea_popescu: none of this is much more than observing that you know, "in theory there's no difference between theory and practice..." ie, the represented difference between representation and reality reduces to a representation.
trinque: I am trying to digest the perspective that one must beat himself to behave according to his own model of reality, subjectively.
trinque: how can that be so when it implies an infinite regression of models of his world
gabriel_laddel_p: I should have been a little more specific earlier re: why cocaine in particular, or meth (in particular) would be useful IN MY SITUATION. I think it would be useful when you find yourself on a forced march in the sense that you MUST stay awake for a few hours longer than you normally would have, perhaps on the company of people who you should proba
gabriel_laddel_p: bly socialize with prior to getting a new place to crash / drop masamunes off.
mod6: asciilifeform: did you guys take down the order form for fuckgoats?
mod6: I aquired a box, so was just gonna re-read some of the stuff and place an order later tonight.
gabriel_laddel_p: both substances allow you to remain lucid after a long time with little sleep
mod6: i didn't see a link. i'm probably an idiot.
trinque: gabriel_laddel_p: k, now describe the iterated case.
phf: trinque: all voracious learners i know eventually hit the point, where acquiring knowledge/skill requires significant amount of self abuse. the kind of abuse in question is the actual, physical pain that you experience in your head, when for example trying to grok math analysis. only people who never experienced that are jacks of all trades who bail before that point (or mythical genuises who never hit their limits before death, i know
trinque: thinking hard is not abuse
mod6: ooooh. i see what the problem was. the homepage doesn't have a link to 'shop'. after clicking on 'the real bitcoin' link, then was taken to that page, where a 'shop' link exists.
mod6: oh, aight. will clear.
mod6: doesn't seem to resolve the issue. but w/e. less people in line in front of me!
trinque: this dope topic is a perfect example. I was making a similar "psychedelics open your mind, man" argument a year or two ago, and mp thoroughly trashed the argument.
☟︎ trinque: when this occurred, I changed my perspective. to not do so is insanity.
☟︎ mod6: and btw, i get a 401 auth required when trying to hit: www.nosuchlabs.com
mod6: but, i don't have a link handy for ya or anything, it's just '
http://nosuchlabs.com' in a private-window with all history cleared, no 'shop' link in menu bar.
trinque: when you encounter the truth, it better flip bits in your skull, or you are broken. this includes "I must build/learn/etc X"
mircea_popescu: trinque it has to be so ; so as to prevent the reality-representation tandem from going into positive feedback.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 18:57 trinque: this dope topic is a perfect example. I was making a similar "psychedelics open your mind, man" argument a year or two ago, and mp thoroughly trashed the argument.
mod6: so now, i see that 'nosuchlabs.com' homepage is the 'fuckgoats' page -- no middle finger
mod6: and the shop link is on there.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575841 << yes, but this is not really what's discussed here. obviously when you grok something you grok something. but in order to get yourserlf to where you grok something, you invariably have to do something "out of character". there has to be some pressure. "and at that moment x was enlightened" specifically says "x abused himself to the point of", but nobody wants to notice.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 18:57 trinque: when this occurred, I changed my perspective. to not do so is insanity.
mircea_popescu: that ~nobody wants to notice~ is the very point. yes, once the spot on the sleeve is pointed out it stands out. and before it wasn't there.
mircea_popescu: (which is why the whole "nobody could have predicted" is such an endearingly stupid exercise in ignorance pleading, but whatevers)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 17:55 asciilifeform: 'it ALL falls into place!1'
mircea_popescu: for a while a very popular ~tv format~ was this string of factoids going in a sort of free association from a noun back again to it. the whole thing read too fast and with "bbc noises" in the background (you know the idiocy, chimes intended to propose THE IMPORTANT IS OCCURING!)
trinque: mircea_popescu: aha, and the dope runs heavy risk of false-positive "did something useful out of character"
mircea_popescu: "mice were found in germany which is a country that once invaded the soviet union where lenin introduced electricity which goes through tubes in which tubes today in england most mices live." "OH NOW IT ALL FALLS INTO PLACE!!!"
☟︎☟︎ trinque: but whatever, we can have two sanitarium-goers
mircea_popescu: trinque try as i might i fail to see self-administered medication in any better light than self-mixed gasoline. "oh, my fuel mix gives me much better power and gas mileage". meanwhile derp drives a fucking honda and has an evil eye pendant dangling from the rear view mirror.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 19:08 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575840 << he will no doubt be less than pleased to hear that i can / historically have stayed up for days at a stretch because i wanted to. it's all in the brain, man!
mircea_popescu: if only the exxon people had thought to mix mountain berries and chalk powder into the damned thing. but the anti-berry lobby is keeping a lid on things.
mircea_popescu: wtf, a crane is like 100 bux an hour already. why throw cars.
phf: this goes back to the whole computer as an intelligence augmentation thread we had
mircea_popescu: come to think about it, i find it deeply regrettable that fuel teas aren't fashionable. imagine, if people actualyl did plant mix decoctions to mix in their gas tanks.
mircea_popescu: they could have a web forum dedicated to debating formulas...
mircea_popescu: like... camomille is good for reducing wear and mint is good for you know, that extra kick uphill
phf: mircea_popescu: it exists! with diesel from trash crowd
mircea_popescu: no but i mean, something equivalent to the fortified wine / bitter craze of the 1700/1800s.
mircea_popescu: the stuff that gave us strega and campari and whatnot. "secret family recipe. blessed by pope! 500 plants!"
mircea_popescu: the occasional death in a garage fireball because idiot had leaky still...
mircea_popescu: "no doubt it was a hit by the anti-tea-gasoline lobby because he knew too much"
mircea_popescu: and i have yet to see people who altered their neurons prior to doping.
phf: jack parsons blowing himself up has similar thread of mystical and paranoid interpretations
mircea_popescu: though this is a decent sf premise, imagine if nanotech allows one to drill implants into each neuron
mircea_popescu: i have personally repaired malfunctioning electronics with a well placed hit to the side.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and ftr in the "Self administered medication" above i don't just count "performance enhancing psychoactives" but also colodial silver, large servings of c vitamin and for that matter fucking steroids.
mircea_popescu runs into dude, dumb as fucking doornail, "o man, everything's better on roids. you gotta juice man. you gotta!"
mircea_popescu: eat enough blueberry extract you'll poop purple for chrissakes.
phf knows some hippies to who refer to psychedelic mushrooms as "medicine" and stick to the whole medical terminology throughout. mind you they take them at festivals, but "for medicinal purposes"
mircea_popescu: phf hey, the alcohol as medicine thing is a joke older than those hippies' mothers.
phf: perhaps if some tribe accidentally learned how to synth p they would have "festivals" around it. "doesn't work otherwise"
mircea_popescu: this is not unlike saying that the teenaged village whore manipulated the village.
mircea_popescu: a) people want to do x ; b) people don't weant to do x ; c) people pick the more lunatic marginal, make him Priest of X.
mircea_popescu will to this day drink pepper-decocted-tuica for some types of colds.
mircea_popescu: and it also works! but w/e, i'm not proposing this shamanism is medicine.
mircea_popescu has had some occasion to try such wonders, like treated girl's sprain with mustard. it worked on her just as well as generally works, notwithstanding not from the right culture.
phf: "every trained girl must placebo on command"
mircea_popescu also sent girl with uti to buy herself gallon of cranberry juice the day before taking same girl to er because OMFG IT HURTS and pumping her full of nitrofuran.
mircea_popescu: or in other words, traditional medicine is fun while the fun lasts.
shinohai: He died of cyanide poisoning from eating all those crapple seeds
mircea_popescu: o wow apparently he also got a liver transplant, which obv comes with imunosupressants.
mircea_popescu: yeah apparently he spent a year trolling the internet for "spiritualists" lel.
phf: it's sort of like believing monopoly money is real money, must be a cultural thing
mircea_popescu: a good 2/3 of how girl gets in trouble. "but i've always done this".
mircea_popescu: fine example for trinque 's folder on "brain - not reasoning machine". woman goes out in the field with the horde of kids (whose job as we know is to act as landmine sacrifices for the mysterious bushes). notices kid eats berries from berry bush, notices kid doesn't die, has some, and then tomorrow, and then
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575685 << you have to appreciate that "hacker culture" as practiced by adolescents is very different from hacking and very related to adolescence. the "hunting culture" of adolescents similarly is more about the horde being together and all excited than about catching anything.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 18:06 phf: also made me rather mistrustful of a lot of "hacker culture" elements, like too much coffee, night hacking, after hour sprints, weekend hacking, all things that i've confirmed from experience to contributing to atrocious code
mircea_popescu: there's specific sexual behaviours involved ; not so much work-oriented. unless you count cunt crushing.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 18:07 asciilifeform: the 'culture' was, as i gather, never actually ~about~ the code, but... about the coffee; the shared deathmarches; the dope; the sensory deprivation bottles; the 'scene'; and other pretenses.
phf: sort of reminds me how i was trying to teach a group of script kiddies to program. "this here shellcode -- that we use to pwn newwwbs!!! -- yes, yes, see it's x86 assembly -- ... -- and you disassemble it, and then even write your own -- so we can pwn newbs better????!!! -- yes yes precisely"
mircea_popescu: does your wife go ? eh ? eh ? is she a sport ? say NO MORE!
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 18:24 trinque has advocated various dopes in the past solely because they were fun, like camping is fun, but I don't write code camping either. I camp.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 18:25 trinque: still didn't feel superhuman on either; more like excited dog that has to sniff everything in a loop
phf: asciilifeform: this is some prime warez
trinque: mircea_popescu: A student once asked his teacher, "Master, what is enlightenment?" The master replied, "When hungry, eat. When tired, sleep." << this thing?
mircea_popescu: A student told his friend, "My teacher has amazing powers. He moves a pen in the air and characters appear on a piece of paper held on the other side of the river. What does your master do?" His friend replied "My great master follows Zen. When he is hungry, he eats and when he is tired he sleeps."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: shinohai < that sort of shit is misleading because usual socialism. should be in term of total fees.
mircea_popescu: i can't say i grasp what the dude thought he was doing exactly.
shinohai: I agree it should be prioritized by fee ... but "democracy" and all
mircea_popescu: so folks may recall the airconditioner pics ? in the same vein, this morning there was a truck loaded with steel pipes, and two trabajadores. one of them held a pipe up in the air vertically, with great effort, as the wind threatened to cause a serious workplace accident any moment. the other had a shovel.
mircea_popescu: and he used that shovel. to bang on the lower end of the steep pipe, ostensibly to induce it to take a shape less offensive to his taste and good public morals.
mircea_popescu: at which point englithment struck me : do you know that in two years here i NEVER heard an engine as quiet as the item left the factory ?
mircea_popescu: it was long a low level puzzle this, "seriously, 2010 toyota sounds LIKE THAT ?!"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but then it became crystal clear - they have these auto shops here, about 100x the floor space of bars and nightclubs altogether. and in them, men. trabajadores.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform currently i suspect they unseat and reseat the engine blocks wrongly.
mircea_popescu: ie, with different screws. with pipe collars. etcetera. INDUSTRIA ARGENTINA.
mircea_popescu: i mean, IVECO trucks, clearly made for municipal use, clearly delivered new sometime in the past 2-3 years. as loud as a zil uphill.
mircea_popescu: never would that item have left factory in that condition
mircea_popescu: sort-of how the long lost compass in tribal shaman's possession is covered in braids and whatnot.
jurov went to look up trabajadores, there was this example usage: Mis trabajadores roban material de oficina de la empresa.
mircea_popescu: that's what, 2 petahash ? i'm sure some venezuelan derp is running 2ph.
phf: "make sure he gets plugged -- sure thing boss" later "benny v arrested in gang related plugging"
ben_vulpes: funny thing is that i can guarantee if i'm drawing any serious amount of amperage it will be the walls that ignite and not my nigga-rigged workstation
trinque still wants to know what gang plugging is!
trinque: I've got a bunch of italians sitting around getting mops stapled on in my head
trinque: somebody has authoritah to inspect your power strips somewhere?
ben_vulpes: i didn't actually know that the fire marshall planned to let himself in, but GLORIOUS SOCIALIST UTOPIA OF PORTLAND
trinque: let himself in << what the fuck?
ben_vulpes: fire marshall let himself into my office and fined me for power cord mismanagement
ben_vulpes: well this is the office and apparently they have their own set of keys
ben_vulpes: very close, when inflation-adjusted, some 250.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 20:59 mircea_popescu: ladrones simply comes from lado, as in "de todo lado".
shinohai: There was an enterprising lady on reddit iirc who charged 0.1 to keep the tards locked up in one weekly.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, no such labs now larger referrer for trilema than the logs.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i clicked on some link in there and it showed me an orange pile with some sort of teddybear crushed under it
mircea_popescu: i think maybe it was reddit's rendition of a cock ? crushed ?
ben_vulpes: not precisely my link, but reddit appears down from here