asciilifeform: lol 404 ☟︎

asciilifeform: incidentally phf, i've been using the machine i built wih that recipe, ever since, and the list of proggies that - turns out - won't build ( because terminally infested ) is getting ever longer

asciilifeform: 'chromium', 'wine', 'gimp', 'wireshark', other commonplace items.

asciilifeform: these will need specially made cures.

asciilifeform: if you want to use'em.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: afaik there has never existed a full portage archive. some crud or other is always 'elsewhere'.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and likewise no one ( or at the very least, nkt asciilifeform ) knows of a moment in time when it was wholly healthy, with 0 wormy bits

asciilifeform: *not

asciilifeform: even original unixen were wormy. ( heterogeneous undesigned slimemold dogvomit )

asciilifeform: ( re gcc5 : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665170 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 3d gpu on linux is lost cause ages ago

asciilifeform: blobulated to death

asciilifeform: which is why asciilifeform's boxes run... 2d

asciilifeform: as if year were 1997

asciilifeform: 0 'acceleration'

asciilifeform: and noshit it won't 'emerge video', a stock gentoo won't suck in closed crapolade

asciilifeform: ( unlike 'africa' )

asciilifeform: probably

asciilifeform: btw ben_vulpes et al : might be worthwhile to find the last uninfected ver. of xorg.

asciilifeform: and preserve.

asciilifeform: trinque: howsthat

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: say moar?

asciilifeform: trinque: a finite # of these releases, existed... theoretically could try'em all

asciilifeform: ( gentoo per se automates a good chunk of the work. iterate over xorgs until one builds with gcc4... )

asciilifeform: phf: i assumed he meant 'the mirrors'

asciilifeform: and point out -- afaik there was never a 'whole world' mirror.

asciilifeform: ( one of the appeals of bsd is that something like it -- existed )

asciilifeform: rathead preserved sources?!

asciilifeform: i'ma hazard a guess, that you will barf long before ever succeeding in actually tracking down 100% of the src that adds up to a given rathead install.

asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel_p

asciilifeform: 'The use of Git and SSL/TLS sets a very high barrier for in-flight tampering. This is not the point of discussion.' lel

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it doesn't cure gcc5ism, no

asciilifeform: now you might try same recipe, cum a gcc5 ban

asciilifeform: see if it ends up pulling last-sane vers of various.

asciilifeform: before you say 'nowai' -- i was equally surprised that the poettering ban worked as well as it did

asciilifeform: (i.e. resulted in a very usable box, that i still use every day)

asciilifeform: the important bit is that it has to be done on a ~virginal~ gentoo

asciilifeform: that hasn't been shat in yet

asciilifeform: btw there is a dbus-remover patch for chromium, somewhere

asciilifeform: i have not tested it.

asciilifeform: trinque: in the multiGB tub of liquishit, there are million years' worth of 'surprise'

asciilifeform: it must die.

asciilifeform: all of it.

asciilifeform: trinque: to the extent gentoo was interesting, it was because it enabled ~nonstandardization~.

asciilifeform: i.e. ~0 required programs.

asciilifeform: ( one weak point -- it did demand python )

asciilifeform: i speak of gentoo in past tense. but it remains that every box i will ever, likely, live to use , will still be made from bricks of the ruins of gentoo, and not from anything else.

asciilifeform: because there isn't actually an alternative.

asciilifeform: not if you actually ~work~ with the comp.

asciilifeform: ( vs 'glorified ipad' )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666349 << spoken like a true 'my comp is ipad with keyboard' fella. ☝︎

asciilifeform: trinque: link?

asciilifeform: trinque: there was a thread, at one point, with philosophical puzzle -- if chained to wheelbarrow at butugychag, would you rather have one with spikes on handles, or not. or something to this effect.

asciilifeform: trinque: what'd it even mean for life 'not wasted' ? i gotta ask

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666358 << phunphakt: dos drivers (tsr!) exist for ~all recent nic chipsets. i don't even know why, but they do. they figure in my eternal 'reverse rtlink GB chip' thing. ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( reasonably compact )

asciilifeform: trinque: on bare iron, too

asciilifeform: dun really need an os

asciilifeform: ( has own scheduler, for instance )

asciilifeform: dos per se is crippling in re sticking you into 16bit x86 idiot mode

asciilifeform: ( have fun with 640k and segments )

asciilifeform: but for some purposes 640k is 10x moar than you would ever even need,

asciilifeform: e.g. i fully intend a dos port of 'p'.

asciilifeform: ( would need a rs232 FUCKGOATS attached )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666370 << this is quite fundamentally unknowable. e.g., europe was so very certain that it lives on longest chain... and then poof!!! ☝︎

asciilifeform: ~gone

asciilifeform: one could ask for, i suppose, 'i dun want to consciously mine on orphan chain', but this is not up to you, and in the degenerate case it reduces to... asking to be stupider

asciilifeform: '...dun want to consciously...'

asciilifeform: trinque: as soon as credible alternative -- poof, linux is bad memory

asciilifeform: trinque: can take wheelbarrow with spikes, and anal waltz with lube; or without. matter of taste.

asciilifeform: fact: FG would not exist if i had to design and test it on a winblowz box.

asciilifeform: eh hey i got another room where i do things for pay, and there are all kinds of horrors there, even winblowz vm

asciilifeform: even crapples

asciilifeform: ( i haven't a nintendo yet, at least!111 )

asciilifeform: but indeed there exists this marvelous world of items folx made 'because were made to', 'use what you gotta', 'deadline', 'pays the rent', etc. these items are called, generally : shitware.

asciilifeform: it is how shitware reproduces.

asciilifeform: the next fella gets your thing and is ordered to 'make X run..' etc

asciilifeform: naggum described process 'perl accretion' but it applies in general case.

asciilifeform: no republican comp, either

asciilifeform: ( the two, i maintain, are not unrelated )

asciilifeform: it was tricky enough to make 'republican rng', an item closer in order of complexity, to a knife or a fork, than to a comp

asciilifeform: but possibly asciilifeform is just thick

asciilifeform: we don't presently know of any other means of making worthwhile things, sadly.

asciilifeform: mass market --> nintendo.

asciilifeform: want good eats ? cook it. ( or someone close to you -- cooks )

asciilifeform: speakingg of which, brb

asciilifeform: in other usg comedy, https://archive.is/HtCuo ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-04#658443 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-09#1157994 , etc ) ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666449 << linked more or less wholly for that detail. i gotta wonder, how many of these 'moon units' walking around nao ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666470 << traditionally there is a chumpatronic component, even in the immediate term : the thing has to 'vest' (if you don't work at $firm for X years, it matches 0 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666476 << why >= 5.4.0 ? why not >= 5 ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666480 << did anybody ever determine what the last 'clean' gcc were ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666488 << my original ban set immunizes against it -- it can't live without dbus ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik 4.x never wernered

asciilifeform: ... but it isn't as if i ever audited 4.x. ...or 3.x, or 1.x..!

asciilifeform: massive tub-o-liquishit

asciilifeform: the cure, so far, that i've found, for 'it optimizes', is... gnat

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666474 << the original recipe came from asciilifeform's x60 lappy : same one as featured in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601534 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601544 thread ☝︎☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: which box is still in service, and has not only working xorg, but suspend-to-ram !

asciilifeform: and battery monitoring, etc

asciilifeform: a real thing of beauty (other than for the miserable lcd)

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666500 << i build 1.4.10 by hand, typically, it's a straight ./configure && make && make install ☝︎

asciilifeform: trinque: the way portage masks work,

asciilifeform: is that when you build a thing that 'wants to haul it in' it barfs instead

asciilifeform: and cries, 'hey won'tcha add the use flags back in pretty pleez'

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: just don't enable 'autounmask'.

asciilifeform: ( this is the one mistake that'll get the crud flooding back in )

asciilifeform: lol i never tried that one

asciilifeform: but i believe.

asciilifeform: 'FORMAT HDD? Y/N'

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in usian komsomol comedy, https://archive.is/h3PHo

asciilifeform: 'At least 10 students who had been accepted as members of Harvard’s Class of 2021 have already learned an important lesson about real-life consequences for online behavior. They had their offers of admission rescinded after the college learned that they had been posting wildly inappropriate memes on a private Facebook group. Here, “wildly inappropriate” means any combination of racist, bigoted, sexually explicit, or violent.'

asciilifeform: 'A few examples of posts that the Harvard Crimson cites are posts referring to hanging a Mexican child as “piñata time,” and posts mocking sexual assault or the Holocaust. These are all things that are part of common discourse on some terrible parts of the internet. Yet they are not part of common discourse at Harvard, or the administration doesn’t want them to be.'

asciilifeform: gold.

asciilifeform: same folx as went to mgu in '80s?

asciilifeform: 'foyootoor leaderz'

asciilifeform: ~guaranteed employment in the apparatus

asciilifeform: (while supplies last...)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: last i heard, ideological purity was the #1 thing there. and something like 10-20% of admissions were reserved for the Officially Sad, and similar number -- for heirs of previous generation of mandarins

asciilifeform: if you were born & raised in the supermarket, stocking the shelves is an honour. or somethinglikethat

asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu knows very well that puritan reich does not 'supply whores in paris', or even in bmore. instead it sacks inconvenient presidents, generals, etc. under the guise of 'immoral conduct unbefitting officer' for simply having been seen to fuck something

asciilifeform: why would you join kpss.

asciilifeform: aha, exactly same idea

asciilifeform: playing fast an' loose with chronology here

asciilifeform: the strychnine whippings didn't go on offer till later

asciilifeform: at first it was just mineralwater.

asciilifeform: ss founded in... '25

asciilifeform: ~full swing in mid-30s

asciilifeform: pretty lulzy history, also

asciilifeform: i recommend heinz höhne's mega-backbreaker re subj

asciilifeform: iirc there is an english version also

asciilifeform: 'order of death's head'

asciilifeform: 'der orden unter dem totenkopf'

asciilifeform: (1967)

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: elaborate

asciilifeform: link?

asciilifeform: 'I can't imagine having kids, i worry enough about the impact of #climatechange on my cats' << loller

asciilifeform: apparently a tru winner : asciilifeform couldn't even make a methuselah bone marrow stem cell, had to leave the entire business !111

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as you can probably guess if you think about it for 5min -- this isn't the hard part

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hard part is 'divides infinitely'+'still useful, rather than tumorous liquishit with 500 chromosomes'

asciilifeform: this, now that i think of it, is a universal annoyance, in other walks of life also

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fashionable, in those days, idea, was to 'make unaging tissue' by reenabling telomerase (normally jumpered out, in most tissue). but -- somewhat unsurprisingly -- it turned out to be a 'glue the gas gauge needle to 'full'' sort of thing

asciilifeform: i.e. the thing was jumpered out 'for a reason'

asciilifeform: i suppose if your auto is a leaf blower

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: best analogy i can think of -- 'xerocopy of xerocopy...'

asciilifeform: goes to shit

asciilifeform: the accidental-pile is the lure for improvement-hunters to begin with

asciilifeform: i.e. the only kind of system that could even in principle contain room for massive-improvements

asciilifeform: but -- not so easy.

asciilifeform: ( see the old dragonfly thread... )

asciilifeform: aaha

asciilifeform: but hey, winnerz are winnerz, neh?

asciilifeform: ( in continuation of the eternal http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635945 thread!111 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you have more in common with your stone age great^n-parent, than the current hela has with original

asciilifeform: ( is it even possible, at this point, to identify species of it !? )

asciilifeform: unrelatedly,

asciilifeform: mod6, phf , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/ada/horsecocks.tar.gz << i dun recall posting this before, so here it will live, for nao : unofficial release of mmaptron ☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: ( comes with makefile & a little bit of commentary )

asciilifeform: 081bc7c5687e1b7820ded87223bdcaa17d902ac6ea1f82b01a55d1683a2ddadfe4bc0f713d66bc2d5afbc51deb607c71460e6d9a4278382a7be526d0e7ef5582

asciilifeform: what you get, is ability to mmapize arbitrary data structure

asciilifeform: ~400 ln total.

asciilifeform: comes with a small test routine, see horsecocks.adb.

asciilifeform: ( makes a 1G mmap, and twiddles a byte therein )

asciilifeform: incidentally diana_coman et al might find the paste interesting -- it demonstrates, also, ada/c glue.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: gluing in whichever direction, is pretty easy, when you have it all in 1 compiler

asciilifeform: diana_coman: mmaps offer yet another method of glue -- theoretically 2+ processes can simply share it

asciilifeform: ( though it is not why i made an mmaptron )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: the example was written on a box with adacore's gnat; the stock gnu one is stricter, doesn't permit Foo'Image -- instead you gotta FooTypeName'Image(Foo) ☟︎

asciilifeform: mod6 recently ran into exact same issue, but for some reason i can't turn it up in the log

asciilifeform: ( possibly it was in #trilema-mod6 )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: in this particular example, can debate which is the useful-stricter

asciilifeform: standard, iirc, permits the variant.

asciilifeform: it won't actually matter in any of my properly (v-genesis) released material -- i have no plan to use gnat's standard io for anything

asciilifeform: but it does appear in example snips.

asciilifeform: ( 'image' -- for the uninitiated -- is the operation sometimes called 'to-string' in other languages )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: what barf remains ?

asciilifeform: lemme guess,

asciilifeform: you're on a 32bit box ??

asciilifeform: your gnat is a 64bit binary ? verify

asciilifeform: your gnat is certifiably broken, then

asciilifeform: throw it out and get the proper one.

asciilifeform: ( 4.9 from adacore )

asciilifeform: what can i say, the statement is 100% legal per the standard

asciilifeform: if a compiler won't eat it -- it's retarded and must die.

asciilifeform: try To_Address instead of System'To_Address

asciilifeform: ( they are, per standard, equivalent forms, but possibly stock gcc is broken in this particular spot )

asciilifeform: i probably oughta explain why we even have this MAP_FAILED : constant Address := System'To_Address(16#FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF#);

asciilifeform: mmap is a unixism and returns a null ptr on failure ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( because unix was dropped as a child, it uses in-band idiocy and magic failure values that are not type-distinguishable from successes )

asciilifeform: this on all known boxes equals buswidth(0)-1

asciilifeform: aka -1

asciilifeform: but it ain't a -1 to us, because we are using a sane language and it is treated ONLY as the addr of the beginning of the allocated mmap. but first gotta check for the failure. so this requires a comparison to FFFFF....[buswidthsize]

asciilifeform: note, again, we cannot compare to -1, because we are using a sane language, where '-1' is not a valid address of anything, nor even a valid modular-type

asciilifeform: so instead we have this explicit constant.

asciilifeform: ( now that i think about it, we could also obtain the eggog code by invoking a mmap that will be certain to fail, and recording the result. but ugghh... )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it ever were to change, ~100% of the contents of your box would barf

asciilifeform: irrecoverably

asciilifeform: so quite unlikely.

asciilifeform: but linus did love to brag, 'nobody promised you a stable abi', as if this were a point of pride.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well yes.

asciilifeform: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_rm/Address-Clauses.html << discussion of 'address'

asciilifeform: sooo let's visit the posix folx, while we're at it,

asciilifeform: and we find this gem :

asciilifeform: 'Existing implementations of mmap() return the value -1 when unsuccessful. Since the casting of this value to type void * cannot be guaranteed by the ISO C standard to be distinct from a successful value, this volume of POSIX.1-2008 defines the symbol MAP_FAILED, which a conforming implementation does not return as the result of a successful call.'

asciilifeform: ( http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/ )

asciilifeform: didjaknow.

asciilifeform: ( oblig : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665150 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666711 << erratum -- it ain't (perhaps obviously) a null, it's a (void *)-1 ☝︎

asciilifeform: oh, phun phakt, adacore distributes its own mmaptron -- but it is monstrous (easily 25x larger than mine) and largely on account of supporting winblowz

asciilifeform: i won't even bother to link to it. who wants -- can find.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666594 << ~anyone, supposing he has a u.s. passport, and 0 official record of judgements against him, can get 'top secret clearance' with corporate sponsorship. the filtration (i.e. who is permitted into any interesting 'compartment') comes ~after~ ☝︎

asciilifeform: at one time ~million completed (yes) application forms for this, leaked, any enthusiastic entomologist can go, read.

asciilifeform: the various hazing rituals, and onerous bureaucracy associated with said cult, are well-documented elsewhere, i will not bother to recount.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most 'intelligence komyooniti' folx slave for a nominally 'private' org, rather than for usg in the proper sense

asciilifeform: this 'sponsor' is expected to cover cost of paperwork

asciilifeform: ( which costs, depending on whom one asks, 5-25k usd )

asciilifeform: this'd be an accurate description of most of the folx in the business, yes

asciilifeform: they hire on a very late-sovok 'too dim to know what to steal and where to take it' principle

asciilifeform: trinque: looked like a generic 'ohnoez ru hackingz' item

asciilifeform: snore.

asciilifeform: i did..

asciilifeform: it was a snoar

asciilifeform: trinque: it was a convenient cheat around the 'they cited 0 actual intel' thing

asciilifeform: now can unofficially-cite 'genuine1!!!1 nsaological find'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you missed 0 useful

asciilifeform: also i expect the criminal case against the chick, will somehow evaporate.

asciilifeform: well yes, 'first you pillage, ~then~ you burn'

asciilifeform: saint factory, lel

asciilifeform: i'd expect those'd be sold for soap