phf: i keep losing ascii's original gentoo recipe. anybody got a link handy?
phf: of course as soon as i asked, i figured out the right keywords
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-03#1421109 << ascii's original gentoo recipe☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-03-03 17:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3YZ2895.txt << preliminary crib sheet
asciilifeform: lol 404
asciilifeform: incidentally phf, i've been using the machine i built wih that recipe, ever since, and the list of proggies that - turns out - won't build ( because terminally infested ) is getting ever longer
asciilifeform: 'chromium', 'wine', 'gimp', 'wireshark', other commonplace items.
asciilifeform: these will need specially made cures.
asciilifeform: if you want to use'em.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: could one pull down an older portage archive and run from that forever? although forsaking updates?
mircea_popescu: never seems to work out in practice.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you've had this tried?
ben_vulpes: would be neat to hear a field report
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: afaik there has never existed a full portage archive. some crud or other is always 'elsewhere'.
mircea_popescu: i thought this is what we're all trying. only to discover that whatever, xorg now no longer builds without gcc5 etc.
ben_vulpes: oh christ xorg needs gcc5 now?
mircea_popescu: whole fucking log is a slow, grindsing field report of "united nations has an office for combatting independence, not obesity".
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and likewise no one ( or at the very least, nkt asciilifeform ) knows of a moment in time when it was wholly healthy, with 0 wormy bits
asciilifeform: *not
mircea_popescu: never was the case.
asciilifeform: even original unixen were wormy. ( heterogeneous undesigned slimemold dogvomit )
mircea_popescu: for historical accuracy : /me had bozo bit set on the above linked item when it couldn't emerge video.
asciilifeform: ( re gcc5 : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665170 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-03 02:47 asciilifeform: in such a way as to judas goat the authors of said code to rewrite it such that it DEMANDS the new 'improved' compiler.
mircea_popescu: after eating however many woman-weeks as the stupid shit is wont to do.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 3d gpu on linux is lost cause ages ago
mircea_popescu: pretty much
asciilifeform: blobulated to death
asciilifeform: which is why asciilifeform's boxes run... 2d
asciilifeform: as if year were 1997
asciilifeform: 0 'acceleration'
asciilifeform: and noshit it won't 'emerge video', a stock gentoo won't suck in closed crapolade
asciilifeform: ( unlike 'africa' )
mircea_popescu: pretty sure the bitching is in teh log at the time or something.
asciilifeform: probably
asciilifeform: btw ben_vulpes et al : might be worthwhile to find the last uninfected ver. of xorg.
asciilifeform: and preserve.
trinque: this appears to lead to infinite regress
asciilifeform: trinque: howsthat
mircea_popescu: i briefly tried to do that on s.mg. it... didn't work out.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: say moar?
trinque: asciilifeform: same reason you barfed writing a lisp for x86
trinque: the thing's recursively hairy
trinque: something else will pop out next
mircea_popescu: what's to say. the volume of shit you gotta preserve rapidly expands > the gb. the work your techs are required to do in order to accomplish this scales ~liniarily with the shithub "work" of the maggots.
asciilifeform: trinque: a finite # of these releases, existed... theoretically could try'em all
mircea_popescu: not a sane use of our limited resources.
asciilifeform: ( gentoo per se automates a good chunk of the work. iterate over xorgs until one builds with gcc4... )
mircea_popescu: in theory there's no difference between theory and practice.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666252 << as was mentioned in logs before, portage doesn't contain sources. it downloads sources from elsewhere☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 00:38 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: could one pull down an older portage archive and run from that forever? although forsaking updates?
asciilifeform: phf: i assumed he meant 'the mirrors'
asciilifeform: and point out -- afaik there was never a 'whole world' mirror.
asciilifeform: ( one of the appeals of bsd is that something like it -- existed )
phf: i don't think bsd mirrors it either, it's not mandatory by design anyway
phf: afaiu the only distros that preserve the whole thing are debian and redhat
asciilifeform: rathead preserved sources?!
phf: yeah, i think they package them into srpms, but i'm not sure if they are mandatory step in the distribution process
asciilifeform: i'ma hazard a guess, that you will barf long before ever succeeding in actually tracking down 100% of the src that adds up to a given rathead install.
phf: yeah, cursory interneting reveals as much
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel_p
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: e.g. https://lwn.net/Articles/603865/
gabriel_laddel_p: I don't have the disk space to back these up myself, but someone can start with: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1552071☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 21:36 gabriel_laddel: $$ later tell dina_corman gentoo distfile backups
gabriel_laddel_p: If you google for "funtoo distfiles mirror" and review all google results, should provide a decent start.
ben_vulpes: so xorg-drivers 1.18-r1 pulls in xorg-server-1.19.3, which pulls in xorg-drivers-1.19.3 which conflicts with the requested version
mircea_popescu: as i was saying, been there, done that, got no tshirt.
mircea_popescu: there's no problem with the provision of "decent starts".
asciilifeform: 'The use of Git and SSL/TLS sets a very high barrier for in-flight tampering. This is not the point of discussion.' lel
mircea_popescu: that's what this whole tower of idiot boy excrement consists of.
ben_vulpes rubs face
mircea_popescu: the idea is to have acceptable ends.
ben_vulpes: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ahc2R/?raw=true << this still pulls gcc 5 in, yes?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it doesn't cure gcc5ism, no
asciilifeform: now you might try same recipe, cum a gcc5 ban
asciilifeform: see if it ends up pulling last-sane vers of various.
asciilifeform: before you say 'nowai' -- i was equally surprised that the poettering ban worked as well as it did
asciilifeform: (i.e. resulted in a very usable box, that i still use every day)
asciilifeform: the important bit is that it has to be done on a ~virginal~ gentoo
asciilifeform: that hasn't been shat in yet
ben_vulpes: hm
trinque: if you put chromium on it, you're done
ben_vulpes: trinque: kinda what i'm looking at
asciilifeform: btw there is a dbus-remover patch for chromium, somewhere
asciilifeform: i have not tested it.
trinque: then somebody will get in via your unicode parser
trinque: or sound driver via malicious porn soundtrack
trinque: or...
trinque: point being how does one not say to himself, "if connected to net, what you've got there is an NSA terminal, and that's it"
asciilifeform: trinque: in the multiGB tub of liquishit, there are million years' worth of 'surprise'
asciilifeform: it must die.
asciilifeform: all of it.
trinque: obviously what I said.
trinque: considering the million years worth of surprise, I'm inclined to believe that standardization on gentoo or whatever else is insane.
trinque: attacker will know exactly what surprises to apply to all.
asciilifeform: trinque: to the extent gentoo was interesting, it was because it enabled ~nonstandardization~.
asciilifeform: i.e. ~0 required programs.
asciilifeform: ( one weak point -- it did demand python )
trinque: could have, but nobody beat anyone when ebuilds decided to pull down deps out of band into /var/tmp or wherever
asciilifeform: i speak of gentoo in past tense. but it remains that every box i will ever, likely, live to use , will still be made from bricks of the ruins of gentoo, and not from anything else.
mod6: werd
trinque: asciilifeform: no disagreement there either; here I sit on my own heirloom pistolchair
asciilifeform: because there isn't actually an alternative.
asciilifeform: not if you actually ~work~ with the comp.
asciilifeform: ( vs 'glorified ipad' )
mircea_popescu: trinque kinda my thinking. gentoo === ubuntu, and for that matter === windows. not really better, just "different".
trinque: I think phf is right in pointing to old debian cd sets as dep time capsules.
mircea_popescu: i don't. there's nothing to capsule. have some lulz-debian with their epic rngs capsuled ? noty.
trinque: true also.
mod6: yah, that shit is br0k3d
mircea_popescu: "oh, but we patch that". sure you do. and who's gonna feed the boy genius that manages all the patchcomplexity ?
mircea_popescu: it's "decent starts" all the way down.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666349 << spoken like a true 'my comp is ipad with keyboard' fella.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 01:23 mircea_popescu: trinque kinda my thinking. gentoo === ubuntu, and for that matter === windows. not really better, just "different".
mircea_popescu: dos is probably the last capsulable item. and it has no broadband.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't make me dig into what "work" is!11
trinque: asciilifeform: in other threads you're the one making the same claim.
trinque: "no different!!111!!!1!!!1" << moar recognizable?
trinque: :D
asciilifeform: trinque: link?
trinque: you can't recall the "but intel nics" loop yourself?
mircea_popescu: tis a bitter pill this, "computing never actually worked. ever. period."
trinque: not as if I wouldn't like there to be recourse here.
trinque: one advantage of being one of the least educated guys here. "my life is wasted" happened ~decade ago.
asciilifeform: trinque: there was a thread, at one point, with philosophical puzzle -- if chained to wheelbarrow at butugychag, would you rather have one with spikes on handles, or not. or something to this effect.
asciilifeform: trinque: what'd it even mean for life 'not wasted' ? i gotta ask
trinque: to have one's life's work end up on the longest chain, and not discarded.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666358 << phunphakt: dos drivers (tsr!) exist for ~all recent nic chipsets. i don't even know why, but they do. they figure in my eternal 'reverse rtlink GB chip' thing.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 01:27 mircea_popescu: dos is probably the last capsulable item. and it has no broadband.
asciilifeform: ( reasonably compact )
trinque: ada sits down happily on DOS eh?
asciilifeform: trinque: on bare iron, too
asciilifeform: dun really need an os
asciilifeform: ( has own scheduler, for instance )
asciilifeform: dos per se is crippling in re sticking you into 16bit x86 idiot mode
asciilifeform: ( have fun with 640k and segments )
asciilifeform: but for some purposes 640k is 10x moar than you would ever even need,
asciilifeform: e.g. i fully intend a dos port of 'p'.
asciilifeform: ( would need a rs232 FUCKGOATS attached )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666370 << this is quite fundamentally unknowable. e.g., europe was so very certain that it lives on longest chain... and then poof!!!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 01:35 trinque: to have one's life's work end up on the longest chain, and not discarded.
asciilifeform: ~gone
mircea_popescu: ayup
asciilifeform: one could ask for, i suppose, 'i dun want to consciously mine on orphan chain', but this is not up to you, and in the degenerate case it reduces to... asking to be stupider
asciilifeform: '...dun want to consciously...'
trinque: point being, someone will have to argue the merits of stacking blocks on linux, and all the other turds contained in the term.
asciilifeform: trinque: as soon as credible alternative -- poof, linux is bad memory
trinque: also, I said "no recourse" earlier and you balked
trinque: now you claim "no recourse"
trinque: so we agree.
asciilifeform: trinque: can take wheelbarrow with spikes, and anal waltz with lube; or without. matter of taste.
asciilifeform: fact: FG would not exist if i had to design and test it on a winblowz box.
mircea_popescu: it's a fortunate thing, then, that nobody's making you do anything.
asciilifeform: eh hey i got another room where i do things for pay, and there are all kinds of horrors there, even winblowz vm
asciilifeform: even crapples
asciilifeform: ( i haven't a nintendo yet, at least!111 )
mircea_popescu: in another castle, there's even an ipad!
asciilifeform: but indeed there exists this marvelous world of items folx made 'because were made to', 'use what you gotta', 'deadline', 'pays the rent', etc. these items are called, generally : shitware.
asciilifeform: it is how shitware reproduces.
asciilifeform: the next fella gets your thing and is ordered to 'make X run..' etc
asciilifeform: naggum described process 'perl accretion' but it applies in general case.
trinque: thus there is no republican linux.
asciilifeform: no republican comp, either
asciilifeform: ( the two, i maintain, are not unrelated )
asciilifeform: it was tricky enough to make 'republican rng', an item closer in order of complexity, to a knife or a fork, than to a comp
asciilifeform: but possibly asciilifeform is just thick
trinque: no, only the latter item is not made by single monk toiling alone
asciilifeform: we don't presently know of any other means of making worthwhile things, sadly.
asciilifeform: mass market --> nintendo.
asciilifeform: want good eats ? cook it. ( or someone close to you -- cooks )
asciilifeform: speakingg of which, brb
trinque: I've seen instances before where a guy made a tool, went around to a few folks showing them "the greatestest X" thinking "they're smart, will pick up my tool and use"
trinque: obviously it's better.
trinque: 0 did.
trinque has ever since made his money lifting makework out of incompetents with software, making tools for himself to do so.
trinque: works better in this environment, and I understand why the notion is revolting.
trinque brb
trinque: *makework out of incompetents' hands
trinque: meanwhile.
trinque: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: trinque: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2845.0, vol: 15821.23990819 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2741.0, vol: 7239.95952 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2815.0, vol: 25039.17279227 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2921.842469, vol: 16119.45540000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2829.363, vol: 7553.33290141 | Volume-weighted last average: 2839.65561101
mircea_popescu: o noes muh life infestments!
BingoBoingo: Muh Insurance Savings!!!
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all --currency eur
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 2499.176475, vol: 16140.30783270 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 2369.19308, vol: 151.44943 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 2572.821306, vol: 16587.67540000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 2471.759, vol: 14805.7297784 | Volume-weighted last average: 2515.86877243
BingoBoingo: OMG It's Croissanting!
trinque: http://archive.is/ol9m4 << "The dollar index touched a seven-month low ahead of testimony before Congress from former FBI director James Comey on Thursday."
trinque: the free association is all through the beast.
trinque: "oh X because unrelated Y because I'm god's child"
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market QatarFriends
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'okc', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'btce', 'bfx', 'btcavg', 'btcde', 'krk', 'bitmynt', 'btsp'] or 'all'
asciilifeform: in other usg comedy, https://archive.is/HtCuo
asciilifeform: ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-04#658443 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-09#1157994 , etc )☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-05-04 02:21 asciilifeform: kgb typewriter fingerprints, the famous yellow dots in colour laser printer, this crap - 'history does not repeat, but it rhymes.'
a111: Logged on 2015-06-09 13:56 asciilifeform: http://seeingyellow.com
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/59186CCE1269482CF2753DC896896A35FD3E4C99860D4DEE33C620DE883A552F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1735...9559 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown SE N)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/59186CCE1269482CF2753DC896896A35FD3E4C99860D4DEE33C620DE883A552F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1435...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown SE N)
mod6: mornin'
shinohai: o/ mod6
mod6: How's it goin?
shinohai: Not too bad. Another boring, rainy day here.
mod6: Ah. Been pretty warm and humid here.
mod6: Here's where linen suits come in handy.
mircea_popescu: awww, but i thought nobody ever tampers with usg elections and the proposition "was discredited" and etc!!1
mircea_popescu: also, imbeciles, really, they published originals ? because why, nobody owns a single fucking secretary anymore they're so god damned rich ?
trinque: > Reality Winner
trinque: these are names now.
mircea_popescu: kinda how fuckgoats even got started, their we-are-idiots naming conventions.
trinque: "the intercept" is meanwhile very much not a propaganda outlet / honeypot.
mircea_popescu: they pretend to be simply stupid.
mircea_popescu: and if experience with the empire of "i just want to" lazy idiots is any guide, they're DEFINITELY not going to "get in trouble for buying microsoft". because "nobody could have predicted" and "they were just doing their job" which "hey man, it's just a gig, it's not my life!"
mircea_popescu: and besides, they've successfulyl thrown the curve, ALL $item are equally shitty so whatcha gonna pick and choose hm ?
mircea_popescu: because why the fuck would inept contractor now in jail pick qntra ? NOBODY HEARD OF IT!!!1 and $assorted-excuses, all of which squarely come back to "hey, at least you wouldn't be in jail today".
mircea_popescu: "oh no, but nobody could have predicted that" + "it's just a life, it's not MY life" + etc.
trinque: !!up dm0n
deedbot: dm0n voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: dm0n: hello, who goes there?
trinque: !!down dm0n
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666449 << linked more or less wholly for that detail. i gotta wonder, how many of these 'moon units' walking around nao☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 15:15 trinque: > Reality Winner
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666247 << fwiw, I have a saved copy; I will host/post later tonight for curious members of audience (unless someone beats me to it)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 00:32 asciilifeform: lol 404
lobbes: In other not-news, 401ks are still scams. Accepted offer to convert from $conractor=> $employee at current job. Had to wade through many $pdfs to see fine print: "new employees are -automatically- enrolled at 1%!!1"
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666464 << assbot did archival back then https://archive.is/http://dpaste.com/3YZ2895.txt☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 16:14 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666247 << fwiw, I have a saved copy; I will host/post later tonight for curious members of audience (unless someone beats me to it)
lobbes: Aha. Nifty
mircea_popescu: lobbes what's thjat mean, they match up to 1% of your income ?
lobbes: I think they do match what goes into void, but the 1% refers to amount taken out of paychex
lobbes: Of course, wild goose chase to opt out
danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/gentoo-crib-sheet.txt
danielpbarron: i have X working with this ^ in use
mod6: thx
danielpbarron: also works with gcc 5 ban > http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ahc2R/?raw=true
mod6: ok, that'll ensure that no gcc 5 is used then 'eh?
danielpbarron: that's my understanding of how package mask works
trinque: -icu -nls << why not also
danielpbarron: with that rule in place, my emerge grabbed gcc (Gentoo Hardened 4.9.4 p1.0, pie-0.6.4) 4.9.4
mod6: cool. thanks for posting that.
mod6: trinque: what do those flags do?
lobbes: Oh nice. Ty danielpbarron
mod6: oh unicode and native language support.
mod6: got it.
mircea_popescu: oh nice work danielpbarron
trinque: mod6: nls is a string lookup thinger for translation; icu is yep, unicode thinger for iirc hieroglyph support
trinque: ought to have also: -pulseaudio
trinque: or somebody may pull that harry poetteringism in.
trinque: alsa has dmix; there's no reason to use pulseaudio for mixing
trinque: -accessibility too why not.
danielpbarron: where are you suggesting these use flags go? in make.conf?
trinque: yes, globally
trinque: also my recipe caps gnupg at a 1.x
mod6: nice
danielpbarron: that's in asciilifeform's /etc/portage/package.mask/crapolade
trinque: cool
trinque: no, that appears to ban greater than a particular 2.x
danielpbarron: right, and next highest thing is gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.21
trinque: better to say >app-crypt/gnupg-1.4.21 then
trinque: or whichever you want to park it on.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666470 << traditionally there is a chumpatronic component, even in the immediate term : the thing has to 'vest' (if you don't work at $firm for X years, it matches 0 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 16:18 mircea_popescu: lobbes what's thjat mean, they match up to 1% of your income ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666476 << why >= 5.4.0 ? why not >= 5☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 16:33 danielpbarron: also works with gcc 5 ban > http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ahc2R/?raw=true
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666480 << did anybody ever determine what the last 'clean' gcc were ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 16:39 danielpbarron: with that rule in place, my emerge grabbed gcc (Gentoo Hardened 4.9.4 p1.0, pie-0.6.4) 4.9.4
mircea_popescu: 3 something prolly ;/
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666488 << my original ban set immunizes against it -- it can't live without dbus☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 16:42 trinque: ought to have also: -pulseaudio
mircea_popescu: depends how strict you take the view that "optimizing out my checks === werner"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik 4.x never wernered
asciilifeform: ... but it isn't as if i ever audited 4.x. ...or 3.x, or 1.x..!
asciilifeform: massive tub-o-liquishit
asciilifeform: the cure, so far, that i've found, for 'it optimizes', is... gnat
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666474 << the original recipe came from asciilifeform's x60 lappy : same one as featured in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601534 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-11#1601544 thread☝︎☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 16:28 danielpbarron: i have X working with this ^ in use
a111: Logged on 2017-01-11 18:45 asciilifeform: phf: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/4_1_15_stas.txt
a111: Logged on 2017-01-11 18:50 asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/x60_diddled.bin
asciilifeform: which box is still in service, and has not only working xorg, but suspend-to-ram !
asciilifeform: and battery monitoring, etc
asciilifeform: a real thing of beauty (other than for the miserable lcd)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666500 << i build 1.4.10 by hand, typically, it's a straight ./configure && make && make install☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 16:48 trinque: better to say >app-crypt/gnupg-1.4.21 then
trinque: doesn't mean something wont try to haul it in
trinque: we're playing whackamole here aren't we
asciilifeform: trinque: the way portage masks work,
asciilifeform: is that when you build a thing that 'wants to haul it in' it barfs instead
trinque: I'm aware of how they work.
asciilifeform: and cries, 'hey won'tcha add the use flags back in pretty pleez'
asciilifeform: aha
trinque: in that case mask whole package without a version
asciilifeform: just don't enable 'autounmask'.
asciilifeform: ( this is the one mistake that'll get the crud flooding back in )
trinque: sadly, the -a flag will also happily ask you if you want it to unmask, add use flags, etc
trinque: gotta watch out for that also.
trinque: -a apparently meaning --ask-to-fuck-in-ass
asciilifeform: lol i never tried that one
asciilifeform: but i believe.
asciilifeform: 'FORMAT HDD? Y/N'
trinque: seems the cautious move, right? show me what you're going to do, shithead. but no, means HOLD MY BEER; I'M GOING TO CHANGE /etc/portage/*
trinque: thing bowed to "do what I mean" right there.
danielpbarron always reads the emerge --ask output before typing 'yes'
danielpbarron: but i think even if you accidentally agree to use changes, it'll put them in a ._* hidden file that you still have to manually mv to the correct place
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in usian komsomol comedy, https://archive.is/h3PHo
asciilifeform: 'At least 10 students who had been accepted as members of Harvard’s Class of 2021 have already learned an important lesson about real-life consequences for online behavior. They had their offers of admission rescinded after the college learned that they had been posting wildly inappropriate memes on a private Facebook group. Here, “wildly inappropriate” means any combination of racist, bigoted, sexually explicit, or violent.'
asciilifeform: 'A few examples of posts that the Harvard Crimson cites are posts referring to hanging a Mexican child as “piñata time,” and posts mocking sexual assault or the Holocaust. These are all things that are part of common discourse on some terrible parts of the internet. Yet they are not part of common discourse at Harvard, or the administration doesn’t want them to be.'
asciilifeform: gold.
mircea_popescu: lmao who the fuck in his right mind wants to go to harvard.
asciilifeform: same folx as went to mgu in '80s?
asciilifeform: 'foyootoor leaderz'
asciilifeform: ~guaranteed employment in the apparatus
asciilifeform: (while supplies last...)
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: last i heard, ideological purity was the #1 thing there. and something like 10-20% of admissions were reserved for the Officially Sad, and similar number -- for heirs of previous generation of mandarins
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/06/reality-winner-arrested-for-leaking-to-omidyar-and-greenwalds-fake-qntra/ << Qntra - "Reality Winner" Arrested For Leaking To Omidyar And Greenwald's Fake Qntra
mircea_popescu: sure. i'm just shaking my head in disbelief at the notion someone they'd consider would actually consider going.
mircea_popescu: "sexually explicit" ? bitch, empire at zenith starts providing commoner whores IN PAIRS and SINCE FUCKING HIGHSCOOL.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck else is even the point. going to harvard like that is like going to the supermarket to pay to stock their shelves. ain't what a fucking supermarket is.
asciilifeform: if you were born & raised in the supermarket, stocking the shelves is an honour. or somethinglikethat
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: no, i understand how the in-story narrative goes. i'm talking about reality for a moment.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu knows very well that puritan reich does not 'supply whores in paris', or even in bmore. instead it sacks inconvenient presidents, generals, etc. under the guise of 'immoral conduct unbefitting officer' for simply having been seen to fuck something
mircea_popescu: but why would you go lol.
asciilifeform: why would you join kpss.
mircea_popescu: "here's the stupid reich. it... does stupid shit, and it doesn't pay. wanna join ???" "um... "
mircea_popescu: dude, joining the nazi purebloods did mean you gotta eat nothing but leeks for a whole saturday to hang out with the nuts at their all-mineral-water parties. ok.
asciilifeform: aha, exactly same idea
mircea_popescu: but it ALSO meant you injected strychnine into the unterwhores and whipped them till they stiffened, if you felt like it.
asciilifeform: playing fast an' loose with chronology here
mircea_popescu: see ? it's a quid pro quo like that, "yes $badthing, but then $goodthing". whereas here ... it's 100% "hey, want to cut your arm off so you could have an eye gouged out???" "no bitch."
asciilifeform: the strychnine whippings didn't go on offer till later
mircea_popescu: hence "Empire at zenith".
asciilifeform: at first it was just mineralwater.
mircea_popescu: there;s maybe 6 months differential between these.
asciilifeform: ss founded in... '25
mircea_popescu: yeah but the whole mystical hallucination didn't really start till the late 30s
asciilifeform: ~full swing in mid-30s
mircea_popescu: hm.
asciilifeform: pretty lulzy history, also
asciilifeform: i recommend heinz höhne's mega-backbreaker re subj
asciilifeform: iirc there is an english version also
asciilifeform: 'order of death's head'
asciilifeform: 'der orden unter dem totenkopf'
asciilifeform: (1967)
BingoBoingo: So the politics of "Reality Winner" is a bottomless lulz spiral.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: elaborate
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Blonde girl in favor of white extinction
BingoBoingo: Typical 20-something americunt stuff
asciilifeform: link?
BingoBoingo: https://www.infowars.com/anti-trump-leaker-reality-winners-twitter-has-been-discovered-full-of-blm-anti-white-tweets/
BingoBoingo: ^ I rarely consult that source, but they do read social media
trinque: of course they hired one of those.
BingoBoingo: "There are many Americans protesting US govt aggression towards Iran. If our Tangerine in Chief declares war, we stand with you!" << Pro-Iran and gets a seekoority clearance
trinque: don't even have to have them in on the plan, just put a bunch of "super srs" looking docs in her hand.
mircea_popescu: loller. is she looking for a black master to slavegirl @ etc ?
BingoBoingo: "@kanyewest you should make a shirt that says, "being white is terrorism""
BingoBoingo: Maybe?
BingoBoingo: Anyways it seems the leaked political attack was supposed to be released tomorrow, so Winrar committed crime of spoiling NSA director's testimony
trinque: mmm, who can bring himself to believe that these people had some report of "omg russian hax" and it was a matter of normal procedure, and not disinfo, to hand them to Miss Reality.
trinque: leaked means true these days.
trinque: dontchaknow.
asciilifeform: 'I can't imagine having kids, i worry enough about the impact of #climatechange on my cats' << loller
mircea_popescu: what, metusalah cats she got this woman ?
asciilifeform: apparently a tru winner : asciilifeform couldn't even make a methuselah bone marrow stem cell, had to leave the entire business !111
BingoBoingo: Have you tried giving the bone marrow moar smokes?
BingoBoingo: Perhaps some smoke detectors?
BingoBoingo: benzene?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as you can probably guess if you think about it for 5min -- this isn't the hard part
BingoBoingo: In other lies and lying liars, Obamacare exchange hits designed End of Life in Ohio, WaPo blames Trumpreich https://archive.is/bb3WF
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The hard part is patience and sorting?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hard part is 'divides infinitely'+'still useful, rather than tumorous liquishit with 500 chromosomes'
asciilifeform: this, now that i think of it, is a universal annoyance, in other walks of life also
BingoBoingo: What part of methuselah means useful? And what keeps tumorous liquishit from being useful? HeLa has to be cheap enough now to be used as ballast.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fashionable, in those days, idea, was to 'make unaging tissue' by reenabling telomerase (normally jumpered out, in most tissue). but -- somewhat unsurprisingly -- it turned out to be a 'glue the gas gauge needle to 'full'' sort of thing
asciilifeform: i.e. the thing was jumpered out 'for a reason'
BingoBoingo: Well, gas gauge is sup[erfluous thing like tachometer. Real motorist can tell with ear if machine needs fuel.
asciilifeform: i suppose if your auto is a leaf blower
BingoBoingo: Nah, it's a rather identifiable enging stopping sound
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik "activated teleomerase" === "more chromosomes than proteins" sorta deal.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: best analogy i can think of -- 'xerocopy of xerocopy...'
asciilifeform: goes to shit
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the idea of "better cell" is inescapable for even cursory qualified microbiologist, chiefly because cell really is a pile of accidentally functioning complexity.
mircea_popescu: the happenstance that improvements dun werk isn't of the nature of discouraging anyone.
asciilifeform: the accidental-pile is the lure for improvement-hunters to begin with
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: i.e. the only kind of system that could even in principle contain room for massive-improvements
asciilifeform: but -- not so easy.
asciilifeform: ( see the old dragonfly thread... )
mircea_popescu: but yes, the other problem is that "better" in the sense of hardy isn't exactly better in the sense of useful. hence the hela example, beats ~any eukariotic cells out of the water, and so what of it.
mircea_popescu: in the end it's just a very incompetent bacterium
asciilifeform: aaha
asciilifeform: but hey, winnerz are winnerz, neh?
asciilifeform: ( in continuation of the eternal http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635945 thread!111 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 15:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635918 << i suspect alf has a very strong bias pro algae and anti bacteria. i'm not altogether convinced the view has any merit.
mircea_popescu: lol. cancer ftw!
BingoBoingo: Conservative estimates suggest Henrietta Lacks's weight has moved beyond the 40,000 pound mark
mircea_popescu: all her children!!1
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you have more in common with your stone age great^n-parent, than the current hela has with original
asciilifeform: ( is it even possible, at this point, to identify species of it !? )
mircea_popescu: no apparently it's quite stable
BingoBoingo: Eh, just need to start throwing HeLa at distant stars.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, seeing what happens to Qatar as the weeks roll on should be lulzy
asciilifeform: unrelatedly,
asciilifeform: mod6, phf , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/ada/horsecocks.tar.gz << i dun recall posting this before, so here it will live, for nao : unofficial release of mmaptron
asciilifeform: ( comes with makefile & a little bit of commentary )
asciilifeform: 081bc7c5687e1b7820ded87223bdcaa17d902ac6ea1f82b01a55d1683a2ddadfe4bc0f713d66bc2d5afbc51deb607c71460e6d9a4278382a7be526d0e7ef5582
asciilifeform: what you get, is ability to mmapize arbitrary data structure
asciilifeform: ~400 ln total.
asciilifeform: comes with a small test routine, see horsecocks.adb.
asciilifeform: ( makes a 1G mmap, and twiddles a byte therein )
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: embargo when
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: More likely de-Obamatizing
ben_vulpes: looks like an effective embargo already, since q lacks deepwater ports
ben_vulpes: maersk can't get to 'em
ben_vulpes: so exciting!
asciilifeform: incidentally diana_coman et al might find the paste interesting -- it demonstrates, also, ada/c glue.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, thanks for the ping! re ada/c - my small tests some while ago went surprisingly well actually, maybe the code was way too simple to get into trouble
diana_coman: I mean: I could call from C code the methods provided in Ada code
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, i thought qatar was a peninsula.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: gluing in whichever direction, is pretty easy, when you have it all in 1 compiler
asciilifeform: diana_coman: mmaps offer yet another method of glue -- theoretically 2+ processes can simply share it
diana_coman: ahh
asciilifeform: ( though it is not why i made an mmaptron )
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no deepwater ports make it difficult to deliver food directly, neighbors have said "no stopping at qatar after with us"
diana_coman: sorry, I was deep into other stuff and got directly onto the ping, w.o. getting to catch up with the log
ben_vulpes: suez exclusion whennnnn
mircea_popescu: ya but...
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu is suggesting this could be another 'mosul'?
mircea_popescu: besides, iran as a russian proxy seems to be ready to ship
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes not really ; usg hasn't yet won THAT one.
mircea_popescu: anyway, lulz of all time "one of 3 sovereign pretenders in libya "cut ties" with qatar". hurr really ?
mircea_popescu: apparently the perils of being allied with the usg is still not apparent. fucking served libya ah so well.
mircea_popescu: "yemen's internationally recognized government" aka "usg imposed illegitimate criminal organisation based in yemen" idem "cuts ties". wtf ties.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 'mosul' in the sense of "we're totally about to win! it's going to happen! any day!"
ben_vulpes: "omg supplies embargoed over ramadan! peninsulites ready to keel over any day!"
diana_coman: hmmm; asciilifeform at a quick make (on a machine where I played with Ada successfully - if little - before) I get this: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/lMtJf/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: i dunno. somewhat of a game of chicken, lots of "valuable" real estate piled up there. saudi arabia is particularly frail, if rockets start falling in capital the whole saudi nonsense will prolly end.
mircea_popescu: it's ~equivalent of south korea, international criminal community "miracle" / extraterritorial depot.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, furthermore: adding -gnat12 got rid of the default discriminant barfs (as promised by ada docs) but I still have the complaints on prefix of "image" attribute
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the example was written on a box with adacore's gnat; the stock gnu one is stricter, doesn't permit Foo'Image -- instead you gotta FooTypeName'Image(Foo)
asciilifeform: mod6 recently ran into exact same issue, but for some reason i can't turn it up in the log
asciilifeform: ( possibly it was in #trilema-mod6 )
diana_coman: weren't we going for stricter?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: in this particular example, can debate which is the useful-stricter
asciilifeform: standard, iirc, permits the variant.
diana_coman: k
asciilifeform: it won't actually matter in any of my properly (v-genesis) released material -- i have no plan to use gnat's standard io for anything
asciilifeform: but it does appear in example snips.
asciilifeform: ( 'image' -- for the uninitiated -- is the operation sometimes called 'to-string' in other languages )
diana_coman: I can confirm it eats that part fine once changed to QItem'Image(V) instead of V'Image
asciilifeform: diana_coman: what barf remains ?
diana_coman: asciilifeform, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/AoXKc/?raw=true
asciilifeform: lemme guess,
asciilifeform: you're on a 32bit box ??
diana_coman: no, lolz
diana_coman: it's 64bit
asciilifeform: your gnat is a 64bit binary ? verify
diana_coman: and yes, I just double checked arch
asciilifeform: your gnat is certifiably broken, then
asciilifeform: throw it out and get the proper one.
asciilifeform: ( 4.9 from adacore )
diana_coman: ugh
asciilifeform: what can i say, the statement is 100% legal per the standard
asciilifeform: if a compiler won't eat it -- it's retarded and must die.
asciilifeform: try To_Address instead of System'To_Address
asciilifeform: ( they are, per standard, equivalent forms, but possibly stock gcc is broken in this particular spot )
asciilifeform: i probably oughta explain why we even have this MAP_FAILED : constant Address := System'To_Address(16#FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF#);
asciilifeform: mmap is a unixism and returns a null ptr on failure
asciilifeform: ( because unix was dropped as a child, it uses in-band idiocy and magic failure values that are not type-distinguishable from successes )
diana_coman: neah, it says it can't even see it then; will try another time with the adacore 4.9
asciilifeform: this on all known boxes equals buswidth(0)-1
asciilifeform: aka -1
asciilifeform: but it ain't a -1 to us, because we are using a sane language and it is treated ONLY as the addr of the beginning of the allocated mmap. but first gotta check for the failure. so this requires a comparison to FFFFF....[buswidthsize]
asciilifeform: note, again, we cannot compare to -1, because we are using a sane language, where '-1' is not a valid address of anything, nor even a valid modular-type
asciilifeform: so instead we have this explicit constant.
asciilifeform: ( now that i think about it, we could also obtain the eggog code by invoking a mmap that will be certain to fail, and recording the result. but ugghh... )
mircea_popescu: might also change
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it ever were to change, ~100% of the contents of your box would barf
asciilifeform: irrecoverably
asciilifeform: so quite unlikely.
mircea_popescu: not during runtime. during lifetime of codebase.
asciilifeform: but linus did love to brag, 'nobody promised you a stable abi', as if this were a point of pride.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well yes.
asciilifeform: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_rm/Address-Clauses.html << discussion of 'address'
asciilifeform: sooo let's visit the posix folx, while we're at it,
asciilifeform: and we find this gem :
asciilifeform: 'Existing implementations of mmap() return the value -1 when unsuccessful. Since the casting of this value to type void * cannot be guaranteed by the ISO C standard to be distinct from a successful value, this volume of POSIX.1-2008 defines the symbol MAP_FAILED, which a conforming implementation does not return as the result of a successful call.'
asciilifeform: ( http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/ )
asciilifeform: didjaknow.
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: ( oblig : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665150 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-03 02:41 asciilifeform: you can't actually write a nontrivial c proggy without undefined behaviour.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666711 << erratum -- it ain't (perhaps obviously) a null, it's a (void *)-1☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 20:55 asciilifeform: mmap is a unixism and returns a null ptr on failure
asciilifeform: oh, phun phakt, adacore distributes its own mmaptron -- but it is monstrous (easily 25x larger than mine) and largely on account of supporting winblowz
asciilifeform: i won't even bother to link to it. who wants -- can find.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666594 << ~anyone, supposing he has a u.s. passport, and 0 official record of judgements against him, can get 'top secret clearance' with corporate sponsorship. the filtration (i.e. who is permitted into any interesting 'compartment') comes ~after~☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 18:17 BingoBoingo: "There are many Americans protesting US govt aggression towards Iran. If our Tangerine in Chief declares war, we stand with you!" << Pro-Iran and gets a seekoority clearance
asciilifeform: at one time ~million completed (yes) application forms for this, leaked, any enthusiastic entomologist can go, read.
asciilifeform: the various hazing rituals, and onerous bureaucracy associated with said cult, are well-documented elsewhere, i will not bother to recount.
mircea_popescu: corporate sponsorship to work for nsa ?
mircea_popescu: sounds moar like pantsuit whore party sponsorship.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most 'intelligence komyooniti' folx slave for a nominally 'private' org, rather than for usg in the proper sense
asciilifeform: this 'sponsor' is expected to cover cost of paperwork
asciilifeform: ( which costs, depending on whom one asks, 5-25k usd )
mircea_popescu: sure. still, this looks like a home office clerk rather than an actual contractor. woman had all the intellectual power of a pet goat.
asciilifeform: this'd be an accurate description of most of the folx in the business, yes
asciilifeform: they hire on a very late-sovok 'too dim to know what to steal and where to take it' principle
trinque: still missing the disinfo value of this "leak" imo.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666601☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 18:23 trinque: leaked means true these days.
asciilifeform: trinque: looked like a generic 'ohnoez ru hackingz' item
asciilifeform: snore.
mircea_popescu: trinque i don't think anyone bothered to read the content of the crap.
asciilifeform: i did..
asciilifeform: it was a snoar
trinque: now they can head into this comey guy's testimony with ample reference to the leaked doc
mircea_popescu: i did not. also am not going to. for very precisely the trinque reason, i can't be arsed to read $nobody provenance items.
trinque: it's a move against trump, transparently.
asciilifeform: trinque: it was a convenient cheat around the 'they cited 0 actual intel' thing
trinque: aha.
asciilifeform: now can unofficially-cite 'genuine1!!!1 nsaological find'
trinque: exactly right, and "we'd show you the proof, but classified!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you missed 0 useful
mircea_popescu: im sure.
asciilifeform: also i expect the criminal case against the chick, will somehow evaporate.
mircea_popescu: depends how much "heroine of the ourdemocracy" mileage can be had from it.
mircea_popescu: if nobody gives a shit, yes. if "social media storm", then not right off.
asciilifeform: well yes, 'first you pillage, ~then~ you burn'
mircea_popescu: maybe dumb cunt hangs self in prison, optimal outcome as far as the pantsuit are concerned.
asciilifeform: saint factory, lel
mircea_popescu: could be concern for her cats, what.
asciilifeform: i'd expect those'd be sold for soap
mod6: hey asciilifeform, never thought i'd say this but: thanks for the horsecocks!