mircea_popescu: and speaking of btcalpha - is someone gonna redo this plox ?
AforA: "graph thingy", that's one hell of an understatement :D
jhvh1: asciilifeform: I have not seen mike_c.
AforA: oh and where the hell are my manners: thanks for the voice, mircea_popescu :)
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> would this be something teh foundation might consider sponsoring, ben_vulpes mod6 ? << werd. we'll discuss and get back to you. o7
mod6: fwiw, at face value, i like it.
jhvh1: mod6: Time since last block: 41 minutes and 23 seconds
mircea_popescu: mod6 the main consideration there, strategically, would be that while foundation's conservative finances are certainly the path to victory, the absence of any and all expenditures is probably by now becoming a drag - why'd someone donate his tax dues when the coin is just going to sit ? he might as well donate it mentally and let it sit in his own pocket. sooner or later something will hafta be done, or else why bother. somet
mircea_popescu: hing like this has the advantage that it's an entirely uninvesting expenditure (exact opposite of what the faux foundation did with its "hiring" of nsa asset gavin andresen), it commits the foundation to ~nothing and can be discontinued at any point.
mircea_popescu: it's good to be able to say you know, here, we have a track record of usefulness, trust us.
mod6: mircea_popescu: a fair point. we have been pretty frugal. we have considered paying for a few things, but they never were fully baked.
mod6: asciilifeform: heheh, i thought some guy was gonna print the book for you?
mod6: mircea_popescu: makes sense. we'll discuss.
mircea_popescu: btw, speaking of mosul & more generally the us inept engagement in the empire's graveyard : anyone know the great story of the faqir of ipi ?
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: After doing a bit of gardening this weekend, and the science thereof, I'm a bit disappointed in the all the "cool kids" who made fun of the "Horticulture Kids"
AforA: read about the book...romanian? talk about synchronicity, I was just reading this guys work, and it seemed relevant to the point about domain invalidation from V:
http://fs.gallup.unm.edu/florentinsmarandache.htm. hm. and as to answer your question mircea: the non-log part being absorbing the website.
AforA: Asylum - sorry for neglecting to mention that
jhvh1: thestringpuller: shinohai was last seen in #trilema 1 hour, 21 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <shinohai> bit it worx and we love it
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo lulz of all lulz is that well... not only jill stein is poisoning the clinton vote ; but so is johnson, some-fucking-how. << That's been on Qntra for months nao
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> Framedragger: have you managed to turn off the wifi on your x220 such that it won't re-enable when you toggle the hardware switch again? << cut the antenna wires with a pair of Kleins or Dykes?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It's because they are jealous they don't have an Agri-CULTURE to celebrate
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo indeed. slowly percolating through my head :)
BingoBoingo: Trump has hoardes, CLitler has "settlers" who can settle on other candidates.
ben_vulpes: i'm going to have to start collecting statistics.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-19 23:10 gabriel_laddel: This, when they already had a complete clim implementation.
scriba: Logged on 2016-10-19: [23:36:04] <gabriel_laddel> Framedragger: have you managed to turn off the wifi on your x220 such that it won't re-enable when you toggle the hardware switch again?
Framedragger: also iirc x220's come with either intel or realtek wifi adapters. mine is intel
diana_coman: ahaha: ",operator imagine : Mircea Popescu"
trinque: Framedragger: ah and here I thought he wanted the wifi to stay off!
trinque: was pretty entertaining when that mickey mouse hosting the show asked them why neither of them care about increasing the national debt.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-20 10:17 Framedragger:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161019/#291 << tbh i didn't check. does it re-enable after hw switch is toggled? what distro/OS do you run? i could check how it is on my end on that machine (prolly tomorrow, not today)
scriba: Logged on 2016-10-19: [23:36:04] <gabriel_laddel> Framedragger: have you managed to turn off the wifi on your x220 such that it won't re-enable when you toggle the hardware switch again?
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i don't know how it works internally in x220. if i wanted to make sure to not have wifi, i'd remove / physically disconnect the controller, of course..
Framedragger: tbh i wouldn't expect anything truly shady out of x220. i just didn't try any switches yet
Framedragger: ("truly shady" except for, you know, the whole shitty stack incl cpu, dma etc)
Framedragger: the prime point of my conviction regarding shadiness comes from the fact that X220 has a legit hax0r backlight at top of monitor.
trinque: wtf is a legit hax0r backlight
Framedragger: trinque: it's a small LED which shines down upon the most awesome thinkpad keyboard before lenovo ruined (fuck chiclet)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: you don't mean anything in cpu microcode but rather in bios? plox to enlighten uneducated naive mind
trinque: presence of this backlight makes you think either of IBM or Lenovo wouldn't fuck you for their government masters?
Framedragger: asciilifeform: heh. i think i recall. pity i didn't properly *read* about it. guess time to corebios the fuck out of that laptop anyway
Framedragger: asciilifeform: oh no this is sth else - thanks!
Framedragger: (still not sure if that rootkit is basically same as superfish. the latter is just in software as i take it; the former is a lenovo superduper software update solution which can download the latter(?) and resides in BIOS which is scary)
Framedragger: "More worrisome part of the feature is that it injects software that updates drivers, firmware, and other pre-installed apps onto Windows machine – even if you wiped the system clean." LOL
Framedragger: "a file called "wpbbin.exe" was placed in C:\windows\system32 and executed. That turns out to be a method Microsoft introduced with Windows 8 to allow the BIOS to execute code on boot up (!?!) called "Windows Platform Binary Table (WPBT)"." gotta love M$
Framedragger: (and lenovo published their own 'Lenovo LSE Windows Disabler Tool'). [sorry i'm sure this is in the logz - i'm behind on stuff..]
jhvh1: thestringpuller: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
Framedragger: five back-and-forth messages, hmh. also "For privacy reasons, dropping the connection or aborting during the authentication process must not be allowed. " sounds stupid to me
thestringpuller: "A Hiwi was a foreigner who volunteered to serve the Nazis."
deedbot: asciilifeform rated kanzure -1 at 2014/06/21 22:40:29 << minor-league quisling; inquire within
a111: Logged on 2016-10-04 02:17 asciilifeform: kid was cursed, at very young age, with being 'esr rich'
thestringpuller: albeit off topic. your WWII references genuinely used to make me think you were >70 y/o
Framedragger: i actually like to have a sticky note near palm to scribble upon. in the dark
Framedragger: i too learned to type in was it 3rd grade :p but the light is aw3some. seriously tho, yeah it's not powerful at all
Framedragger: (i'm in an energetic mood today, teenage mode = collateral damage)
Framedragger: thestringpuller: no not in the sense that you mean..
Framedragger: in unrelated news/queries, game audio has deteriorated in the last 10 years. used to be proper 3d positional audio. am trying to build a shitty 2d top-down thingie with proper HRTF etc for audio, don't suppose anyone has any recommendations? if worx on linux, enough in principle. linux + osx + windows = ideal
Framedragger: (mandatory 'fuck creative labs and fuck microsoft for pulling back on soundcard APIs)
Framedragger: thestringpuller: pyglet for prototyping (yes yes python & graphics wtf), later - i do not know, i considered unity for prototyping, too (fat thing, that, yes). for ease of sake, very likely sdl for graphics and events, but not set.
thestringpuller: SDL with OpenAL is probably better suited, but more code writing.
Framedragger: unity hsa this oculus audio sdk which does HRTF and everything, but no occlusion. openal-soft does the latter as well as HRTF
Framedragger: the -soft fork of openal seems very decent enough. i was hoping for something high/lazy-level for graphics so i don't have to deal too much with it (it'd be just 2d shapes anyway, no textures etc, super simplistic), and lower-level for audio so i can mess around with it. openal-soft as of now best contender
Framedragger: but man is audio a mess. so much middleware and layers
thestringpuller: i think with openal (iirc) you can drop sound to emit from a location like a light source on 3d map
thestringpuller: people used to love they could use the coords from OpenGL with OpenAL
thestringpuller: Framedragger: yea its something like: alSource3f(alSource,AL_POSITION, xposition, yposition, zposition);
Framedragger: (was afk.) (i guess it's unavoidable to a point because e.g. you need to somehow pass down complex scene info (not only sources and listeners but also obstacles for occlusion/reverb) into a low-level api)
thestringpuller: I mean you don't have to use opengl for graphics just use openal's coordinate system on top of SDL
Framedragger: thestringpuller: yeah you're totally right and i really like the api - it's nice! it does seem that to make sure everything incl hrtf works on a person's PC it needs to be installed to system dirs and then linked dynamically as folks had problems with static linking; and apparently for windows the 'proper' way to do it is to first install creative's openal version, and *then* install openal-soft on top
Framedragger: which is something i'd like to avoid; but if i can't - then i guess it's still the best thing available
Framedragger: (in one of his talks karmack did complain that (something like) "it's still ridiculous that i can send a packet to another continent than i can send a click to my sound card!" - basically, multiple middlware layers are involved and it's a bit.. stinky. but at least one can stick to a good API and reduce the headache..)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: asciilifeform: but if you want 3d soundspace with coordinates of sounds etc?
Framedragger: yeah, linux audio folks have these suggestions to "run everything on a realtime kernel", which is probably akin to pouring a bit of water (which may or may not be mixed with gasoline) on a large fire.
Framedragger: i can imagine. i mean.. laggy audio on 2ghz cpu because multiprocess OS
thestringpuller: writing a program for it felt a lot liek telling the computer to play a tape...
trinque: Framedragger: I had old school thinkpads; I was mocking your implication that it meant anything about whether the hardware was diddled
trinque: looking back over recent history, maybe a guy asks himself why the government stopped pushing the clipper chip.
trinque does not know how old Framedragger is
trinque: where does he define this Cathedral thing
mircea_popescu: not in the slightest. i daresay there is not one thing that originates with the curtis yarvin fellow.
mircea_popescu: what he does is the very americansky "i buy old books and rewrite them in my own hand, nobody'd ever know"
mircea_popescu: the difference from the other one being specifically that ?
mircea_popescu: the whole "this is how the matriarchy does it, this is how it should be done - because the matriarchy in all times and places is so much frozen shit" is not liable to change over time.
mircea_popescu: so how is microsoft different from democratic party supercap ?
mircea_popescu: physically the same people, ideologically the same agenda, financially the exact same "money", wherein lies the distinguishing ?
mircea_popescu: well i dunno about that. the point being, if two works purport to describe items that can not be distinguished, it then stands that the two works are about the same thing.
mircea_popescu: this is how metaphysics, or christianity, etc even became subjects in the first place
mircea_popescu: there is absolutely nothing but this to glue together eg t aquinas and jonas the prophet
mircea_popescu: (and for bonus lulz - according to THEMSELVES, the pashtun are jews. unlike the people you and i know as jews, who are idiots, the good jews from afghanistan heard of the last prophet and sent envoys to muhammad.)
mircea_popescu: and since it's been mentioned, let it be said i'm rather suspicious of this fuhrerprinzip business also. nazis WERE socialists, by their own lights, and the fact that they desired a matriarchy stylistically irreconcilable with the matriarchy in power in england does not make them men, or respectable.
mircea_popescu: and since we're on it, let's define terms. matriarchy - an arrangement built among the worst in society, who are weak, inconsequential, ambitious and envious. they tend to spend a lot of time gossiping - which is speech without purpose - and dedicate themselves to a very pedestrian sort of magico-technology, aiming to protect, their worthless flesh as well as their miserable progeny. this necessarily decays into a quest for c
mircea_popescu: meanwhile patriarchy is an arrangement among the best in society, who are strong, inconsequential, and careless. they tend to spend a lot of time doing, which is purpose without speech, and dedicate themselves to raping the women and tearing down anything taller than themselves.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sometimes i suspect you might have been the only one at your kindergarten :)
mircea_popescu: anyway. that the matriarchy always builds some sort of reddit, which is to say the female hujra, pointless-blather-house is much of a historical necessity ; much like how the matriarchy's annoyance at ~what trump represents~ necessarily expressed itself in terms of fantastic "rape".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, if they have a controversy it means they exist rite ?
a111: Logged on 2016-10-20 16:01 asciilifeform: ^ argentina mandates diebold voting machine and proclaims that publication of flaws is punishable
mircea_popescu: the schmuck in casa rosada is very much a dmitry ovsyannikov.
mircea_popescu: the department of "here's words, they don't mean anything"
mircea_popescu: there is a difference if and only if the difference can be shown.
trinque: what does what he believes in "his true self" matter?
trinque: is the timecube guy not lying?
mircea_popescu: how do you aim to extract difference between crackpot and charlatan from examination of physical reality ?
mircea_popescu: i am very much interested in this method, because i guess it could be extended to distinguish malicious from stupid slavegirls
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you could construct a multiply ints function out of add ints
mircea_popescu: if my job is to obtain C1 * C2 I will chain it : ask A to produce P1 + P1 ; ask B to add P1 to his result. ask C to add P1 to that result and so on.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what you're on about. again : i want to multiply C1 by C2. I fire up the UCI, i ask C2 processes to add C1 to the result of the previous process adding C1 to the result of the...
mircea_popescu: are you actually reading what i say or should i just stop ?
mircea_popescu: let's try once more. so, I want to multiply 3 by 3. suppose the encrypted form of 3 is fgh.
mircea_popescu: don't CALL THINGS THINGS. show. don't tell. this isn't bad fanfic hour.
mircea_popescu: in other words : paillier in UCI over gossipd seems capable of bignum.
mircea_popescu: this is a very abstruse spoke off an interesting discussion. i dun really want to follow it. can we get back to the point ?
mircea_popescu: the scheme presented isn't in any sense what you describe.
mircea_popescu: you present to yourself that you do, because you wish to. but in practice, you do not.
mircea_popescu: from the fact that A asks B to p-add P1 and P1 you can not distinguish whether P1 is being multiplied or added. that you can't distinguish between these two means you have 0 bits, not > 0 bits.
mircea_popescu: this is a stronger guarantee than what rsa offers, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: it is. in order for you to get the whole set you must a) break rsa keys as numerous as the whole set and b) magically intercept all communications, even those happening outside of any set that includes you.
phf: "The teleology of this phenomena should probably begin with the first modern group of women to get tattoos [...]"
☟︎ trinque: mircea_popescu is afaik proposing the communication of these is encrypted; asciilifeform is seeing them transmitted in teh bare
mircea_popescu: i'm not interested in the branching, will be happy to have a bignum machine that's securely separable via uci.
trinque: if not I don't see how alf says every single comm between all peers gets intercepted readably
mircea_popescu: trinque he has a serious issue with things that i don't yet fully grok, but i can not presently distinguish from this irrational meltdown and the irrational meltdown on the gossipd spec.
mircea_popescu: for all i know the guy has a point ; but we've not to date managed to put it in terms i can read.
trinque: this metaphor fart fog is ridicuous
mircea_popescu: anyway - we shall never again find ourselves "in a closed castle".
mircea_popescu: this is a fundamental strategical choice, and it is not getting reviewed. which is why there isn't a geographical republic.
mircea_popescu: every one is always going to be representable as "in a kettle".
a111: Logged on 2016-10-19 23:51 mircea_popescu: btw phf did you load the old archives yet ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if one "reduced" to all then set theory would be a funny place indeed.
mircea_popescu: i jus' did, and best i can see it is sufficient, and how we'll do stuff like rsa encryption/decryption over uci once gossipd is here.
trinque: hm, perhaps the problem is one is thinking of completely untrustworthy flat topography of grey-goo nodes, and the other, in-wot nodes?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway. the main problem with the algo described being that if i want to multiply 2^2^7-1 with 2^2^11-1 i'm stuck requesting 340282366920938463463374607431768211455 discrete additions, which isn't worth doing in any possible universe.
mircea_popescu: but these have ~nothing to do with the weird objections raised.
mircea_popescu: sure. log2(340282366920938463463374607431768211455) = 128. which may still be too much
mircea_popescu: the overhead is : i encrypt 1 number, and communicate 127 numbers to 127 people then their responses to 127 people.
thestringpuller: well the paper is from 1996, it was just intriguing how familiar to PoW it was
thestringpuller: iirc this was in 2012 logs, cause i remember you saying similar situation to "nLockTime" (altho we discovered more turds there upon further inspection)
thestringpuller: you can't prove the trap door function doesn't exist cause you can't prove you don't know the keys to the puzzle
thestringpuller: the only way to do that would be through some kinda consensus mechanism
thestringpuller: well isn't solving a block the same as finding a time delay crypto puzzle?
ben_vulpes: wait, misunderstood. hasher, not pill.
thestringpuller: i kno that. we discussed in 2012. 4 year discussion now eh?
thestringpuller: point being seems like solution to trap door is similar to distributed PoW
thestringpuller: way to use trusted agents to eciently enable timed release crypto "
a111: Logged on 2016-10-20 20:18 phf: "The teleology of this phenomena should probably begin with the first modern group of women to get tattoos [...]"
mircea_popescu: anyway. when i was a kid, tattoos meant a thing and that thing only : she fucks. there exists no majority age in romania, a girl's a woman the moment she starts doing it, which can happen as early as 12, though as a rule it's more around 15.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, no hymen = fair game. and as there was need for easy visual identification to know whom to invite to parties... the sluts got inked.
mircea_popescu: this i suspect is the ancient, tribal, functional usage. "modern" my left foot.
mircea_popescu: well some things were important, such as : did she get it somewhere her parents might see ?
phf: sort of like notches on spitfires
mircea_popescu: but this is from a very insular culture, where for instance lesbos had it very easy : "does she wear anklet ? talk to her."
phf: asciilifeform: do you have some of your very old logs, can you grep for "sawdust in the gearbox, apparently timeless." and let me know what timestamp on that is?
mircea_popescu: also at a time and place where listening to depeche mode wasn't merely happenstance but more cultural identification and political statement than a trump tshirt
phf: would you also happen to remember which timezone that would be? :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, they never got semantic, a la ru prison tattoos. most girls got what today'd be called "tribal" shit
mircea_popescu: not really. facedots get circles once you finally got the fucker, for isntance.
phf: there's an hour disparity between mp's tmsr-logs and btcbase, so i need to figure that one out..
phf: oh right gmt uses daylight
mircea_popescu: also for the sake of humanity, "The teleology of this phenomena should probably begin" is a broken sentence. a teleology is any theory of purpose in realia. so you could say "any attempt if describing the teleology of this phenomena should probably begin" or "the teleology of this phenomena should be expressed in terms of" etc. it dun work like "description" or "philosophy", it works like for "substance" or "relevancy".
mircea_popescu: see, pre 2000, romania had VERY strong antibodies against what jim&friends discuss in that turkey article.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-20 20:28 trinque: hm, perhaps the problem is one is thinking of completely untrustworthy flat topography of grey-goo nodes, and the other, in-wot nodes?
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-20#1557353 << well, it's sad, but i can't say i'm disappointed, because i had no expectation otherwise. the psychology of the alt-coin purveyor is very much as exemplified by that covertress chick : ambitious, mommy told her she's special which she believes, and "problems" "can always be overcome". preferably - by someone else. you know, what's washington gonna do about it.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-10-20 22:49 asciilifeform: unrelated to any of this, i recently went on a dig re crackpot altcoins, and was again disappointed, much of the phase space was never explored. for instance, it does not appear that anyone ever tried a 'captain kidd' alt
mircea_popescu: these aren't usually the same people as come up with anything worth reading.