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asciilifeform: Framedragger: the second parcel of keyz has been digested today.
asciilifeform: (and yes, getting them ~into the db~ takes ~100% of the time)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: \o/
Framedragger: BingoBoingo: yah i've to take better care of my hobbies eh
Framedragger sleeps
BingoBoingo: semi demi lol https://www.rt.com/viral/349380-marvel-comic-trump-modaak/
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/bsxqz << in other lulz.
asciilifeform: ^ from the 'trump as ru spy' thing.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger cool deal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh, i thought it was isisterrorists.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, lulzy "duel" of talking points from the libtards and really-not-libtards-promise. they all agree russia doesn't matter and that hillary will somehow win the "elections", but you're more than free to connect the rest of the dots any way you please ? hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: a) in a us-ru confrontation, ru wins ; as they have won the past three ; b) only thing hillary wins is another pint of hagen dazs. woman's a born loser, and always ahs been.
mircea_popescu: heck, she probably still has the icecream ladels from back when she was the... second lady of the first man.
mircea_popescu: $up Farksers
deedbot: Farksers voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: hey, recall, dhs took jurisdiction of 'critical infrastructure, which now includes elections' not so long ago.
mircea_popescu: a right.
mircea_popescu: so she loses election and gets anointed by bureaucracy, is the last ditch of a hope ? mmmkay,
asciilifeform: mno
mircea_popescu: just as long as we agree woman doesn't have a prayer.
asciilifeform: the 'right' numbers - come out.
mircea_popescu: so you're saying "she loses, but gets anointed by bureaucracy anyway"
asciilifeform: nobody, afaik, cancelled diebold et al.
mircea_popescu: yet, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: you know diebold headquarters burns just like any other vinyl siding construction ; vaginal pear splits up andy matter's wife just as well as any other.
mircea_popescu: so far it's the republic that published the dnc emails ; not the other way around.
asciilifeform: what's an andy matter ?
mircea_popescu: diebold ceo.
asciilifeform: clitler wields the pear.
mircea_popescu: you entertain this delusion, whereby the bureaucrats somehow have freedom to act ; republic does not
mircea_popescu: reality in the field is exactly opposite, but hey.
asciilifeform: mno, bureaucrats are gloves
asciilifeform: on lizard hands.
mircea_popescu: gloves filled with gloves. there's no substance.
mircea_popescu: there's no meta-nsa, there's no anything. the dogvomit is dogvomit all the way down.
asciilifeform: dogvomit dun carbombate hastingses.
asciilifeform: $s arkencide
a111: 4 results for "arkencide", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=arkencide
mircea_popescu: there is no substantial difference between hillary rodham clinton, ross william ulbricht and adam james susan.
mircea_popescu: they're all the exact keyboard warrior, lost in a fantasy world where they "call assassinations" and "resolve problems" and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: the modern variant of the scape goat.
asciilifeform: eh when clitler takes out contract - patient dies.
mircea_popescu: this is provably not so.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's model, in ru sphere is called 'inverse cargocult' - i.e. 'there are no airplanes, anywhere'
mircea_popescu: more like "there are no wizards, unless you mean 30 yo virgins"
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, the elliot kid is a fucking self-parody, like a comic book character irl)
asciilifeform: it dun take a wizard to nailgun a defenseless schmuck or two.
mircea_popescu: defenseless. a fucking wasp colony can take out the defenseless.
asciilifeform: and for the well-defended, they have ghaddafization.
mircea_popescu: the 90s are over.
asciilifeform: i do hope to live to see them over, yes.
asciilifeform: but not convinced that i will.
mircea_popescu: you know they recently found a russian fellow with his family, in the woods.
mircea_popescu: he was pleased to hear the tsar was finally overturned
mircea_popescu: a century ago.
asciilifeform: this actually happened
mircea_popescu: he died soon thereafter ; likely from salt poisoning.
mircea_popescu: no, i know.
asciilifeform: in '60s
mircea_popescu: no, in like 2013
asciilifeform: must've been his grandkid.
mircea_popescu: well yes.
asciilifeform: lol salt?
mircea_popescu: split the difference : it was 1978
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, salt is toxic to the innocent.
mircea_popescu: in other retarded people lulz, https://archive.is/zneAp
shinohai: dafuq is that atrocity ... 2000 sats? srsly ?
shinohai: "Note: We are getting low revenue from ads since we have few players/views/clicks."
mircea_popescu: grep for "Ok guys, I found a general failure on the defense system of the game and don't know how to fix that making the game unable to play at this point."
mircea_popescu: or alternatively i guess for " For everybody, sorry my windows got some bug yesterday while I was doing the banners to promote the game Embarrassed and I'm busy trying to fix that, after that I'll give all atention to you all! Thanks for all!"
shinohai: Interestingly enough, admin needs to wear paid signature to get extra 0.02 btc a week to pay server costs
mircea_popescu: oh look at that, "binary options"
mircea_popescu: "Develop Decentralized Applications & Sidechains in JavaScript with Lisk!"
mircea_popescu: omfg that place. what have you done to me!
mircea_popescu: in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtahqXjFcxU
asciilifeform: $up boolcrap
deedbot: boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: do they still make you leave the house, boolcrap ?
boolcrap: oh hello
boolcrap: yeah i went in today
asciilifeform: that must suck.
boolcrap: i dont work for the old people u know
boolcrap: ;p
asciilifeform: must suck even moar.
boolcrap: its not a bad gig actually
boolcrap: ive had alot of time to work on side jobs
boolcrap: i only go in once a week or so
asciilifeform: that's 1nce too many imho.
boolcrap: well
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that horror is pure gold. e.g., 'У меня пропали ракетные установки и лазеры. Даже те 4, которые вчера построил!!! Shocked Админ ИСПРАВЬТЕ ПОЖАЛУЙСТА...'
boolcrap: you can only make so much money not interacting with the ppls
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: boolcrap: y'know, it is possible to interact with people via newfangled telegraphs'n'such.
boolcrap: u mean, google hangouts? ;p
mircea_popescu: consensteemit or what waseet
asciilifeform: lel
asciilifeform: 'all deuterium is gone. It just disappeared. Give me back my deuterium please, i need it!!!'
mircea_popescu: gets better, "i don't know how to fix that 500 error so will close the game"
asciilifeform: 'Since the game is full of bug, it does not mean i don't work hard to get to the first position. My mines is working full power and bring more than 60000 resource per hour'
asciilifeform: ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: anyway, someone found a reimplementation of eve online in php made by some mexicans (literally), edited some stuff in his notepad ; but then the machine "caught some viruses" when he was making banners (ie, downloaded random photoshop crack) and well...
asciilifeform: boolcrap: re: side jobs, do you still suffer with that restaurant orderbook thing?
mircea_popescu: kinda burned, fell over and then sunk into the swamp.
mircea_popescu: BUT THE FIFTH ONE WILL STAY UP!
boolcrap: haha no thank god
boolcrap: i can only stomach so much c#
boolcrap: im working on tbm3
asciilifeform: boolcrap: i went there not long ago and half-expected to find you inside.
boolcrap: really you went to il pizzico?
asciilifeform: boolcrap: aha. but it was closed, i had nfi when it opens/not.
asciilifeform: and 3? why not 4. 5.
asciilifeform: 9000.
asciilifeform: think - big..
boolcrap: dam that sucks
boolcrap: were u in the area?
boolcrap: its closed on sundays and from 2-5
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Listen you, i wont say donk, but spam accusin with no evidence, before accusing someone of using bugs better check with that player why he has so much points, and does he even know why he has so much points. I am sick tired of jelious players who don't know how to play game and everyone else is than using bugs and i don't know what else. SO, Please, what is your igm NICK? I gave you mine. I have 3 words for you - L2P
asciilifeform: .'
mircea_popescu: jelious ?
asciilifeform: i had nfi that sewer rats had pc and net pipe.
mircea_popescu: JELIOUS RAYE
asciilifeform: stray dogs - yes. raccoons - yes. but rats..
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> stray dogs - yes. raccoons - yes. but rats.. << AHA! This is what makes me wary of reaching out to faucetologists!
mircea_popescu: check your priviledge bro. there's more people who don't javascript because they can't than the ones who don't because won't.
asciilifeform: what's it take to can't?
mircea_popescu: and more generally : for every one person who won't do x because stupid idea - there's at least 79 who don't because it never occured to them.
asciilifeform: missing both hands & feet ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform braindamage.
asciilifeform: i suppose at the 'tie my shoes for me or i'll shit everywhere' level, not much javascriptin' happening
asciilifeform: but then again!
asciilifeform: having seen the 'software industry', it is difficult to be certain even of this.
mircea_popescu: "do you know why it's called software, sonny ? it's because i shit better code than this!"
asciilifeform: in other 'news', i found the ~1 remaining maker of non-chinese-shitsteel screwdrivers (yes) on the planet.
asciilifeform: they cost > own weight in silver.
mircea_popescu: eh. food costs own weight in silver.
asciilifeform: well yes.
mircea_popescu: silver is really not what it used to be.
asciilifeform: 90% of chineseness is simply from bizarre expectations
asciilifeform: e.g., that tool 'should not cost...'
mircea_popescu: JELIOUS RAJE
asciilifeform: for that matter, how many folks here have ever used or even seen a proper pair of tweezers.
asciilifeform: (they converge to a needle point, that is lathe-turned conical, and ~stays that way~ after years of stabbing into various objects)
mircea_popescu has / had various surgical implements ; knows.
asciilifeform: aha, surgical
asciilifeform: this is not even dirigible material, pretty basic item.
mircea_popescu: it's also a dying item. pre laparascopy it was a major tool of the trade.
asciilifeform: eh nobody canceled tweezer.
asciilifeform: just as no one will cancel hammer.
asciilifeform: $up boolcrap
deedbot: boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: computer assisted / robot arm did, yes.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> in other 'news', i found the ~1 remaining maker of non-chinese-shitsteel screwdrivers (yes) on the planet. << Who?
mircea_popescu: very little of what used to take skilled hands and tweezers in the operating room still does.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'wiha' (germany)
BingoBoingo: Aha!
mircea_popescu: wiha is good ppls.
BingoBoingo: There's a few other makers, but yes. Costs weight in silver.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and who knows for how long. wouldn't astonish me if they are opening the first chinese plant as we speak.
asciilifeform: or 10th.
mircea_popescu: and in other surgical news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqkkz0k6Yn1qf2htfo1_500.gif the problem with boob implants is that the boob becomes a two-medium item, and now you experience refraction etcf.
asciilifeform: impedance mismatch!11111
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Then they lose "Charge weight in silver." Hand tool market has solid atm homeostasis between gradations of chinese shitsteel and leap to functional metal.
boolcrap: what is this heterosexual shit
boolcrap: post more gay porn plz
mircea_popescu: this is fundamentalist chat!
boolcrap: dam this bitch is amazing
BingoBoingo: boolcrap: https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mawbwtY21d1qetcz3o1_1280.jpg
boolcrap: im not clicking that
boolcrap: rofl
asciilifeform: hey mircea_popescu do you suppose fauxtits are susceptible to free surface effect ?
boolcrap: i clicked it, and it wasnt gay. that was a suprise
BingoBoingo: lol, I've trained everyone so well
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.
mircea_popescu: happens all the time, "migrating pouch"
BingoBoingo: boolcrap: It was the GAYEST. Nothing gayer than self fucking.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that has to suck.
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is that electric drill ?
asciilifeform: such bakelite.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Which thing?
asciilifeform: object in background
BingoBoingo: I did not look at background.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno that teeny self-opening herself counts as self fucking.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Progress, not perfection!
mircea_popescu: but since we're apparently doing gay now, i give you http://65.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5flwhSgbL1qcu54uo1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: father and son enjoy their savings
boolcrap: hrm
boolcrap: not so bad
boolcrap: thats not quite gay
boolcrap: i mean are their balls touching, i cant tell
mircea_popescu: they're still essentially rubbing their underdicks on each other.
boolcrap: yeah but, it is for the pleasure of this nice slut
BingoBoingo: Nitemare fuel https://archive.is/ytqE1
boolcrap: does rubbing shafts make you gay in this situation?
BingoBoingo: ;;8ball "does rubbing shafts make you gay in this situation?"
gribble: Yes!
BingoBoingo: boolcrap: ^
boolcrap: yeah im going to disagree
boolcrap: because i could easy be in this situation but
boolcrap: im not gay.
boolcrap: ;;8ball "will i die a free man"
gribble: Naturally.
boolcrap: winner winner
BingoBoingo: $up boolcrap
deedbot: boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
boolcrap: thank goodness
mircea_popescu: lol dude's rotting alive, watching manga.
BingoBoingo: Tis the way of the hamplanet
mircea_popescu: and to wash BingoBoingo 's heresies down, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llcw0251Xc1qbznsao1_r1_1280.jpg
boolcrap: what kind of man shaves their balls
mircea_popescu: the kind that is sick of trying to wash saliva out of tufty hairs
boolcrap: easy solution
boolcrap: dont get blowjobs
boolcrap: or just find the girl that kind of only licks the tip
mircea_popescu: what kind of a man doesn't get blowjobs ?
boolcrap: good question
boolcrap: i cannot answer but im sure they exist
BingoBoingo: $up boolcrap
deedbot: boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/musk-rocket-goes-boom-destroying-zuckerberg-satellite/ << Qntra - Musk Rocket Goes Boom Destroying Zuckerberg Satellite
BingoBoingo: $up boolcrap
deedbot: boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
PeterL: obnoxious thing about winblows #67542: using \ as a directory separator rather than / like other OSen. bleh.
shinohai: It's how you separate the wheat from the chaff.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the physics is SO unfair!
mircea_popescu: doesn't it know these people have note from bahamas ?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: even asange said this should happen to the russians! not to them! scandalous.
BingoBoingo: totally
mircea_popescu: aaand qntra shares added.
BingoBoingo: ty
mircea_popescu: nono, my pleasure
BingoBoingo: If only shinohai's "ty" bot was here
shinohai: heh
mircea_popescu: lol
shinohai: you are welcome to take over maintenance BingoBoingo, I bought it a dedi shell and everything.
BingoBoingo: Nah, I don't speak robot.
BingoBoingo: At least not the language of their insides.
BingoBoingo: brb
mircea_popescu: lol shinohai will instruct noobs. how to play eulora ; how to run bot ; how to fuck camhos ; and other thangs.
mircea_popescu: the reason he's meeting venezuelan friend isn't what you think, but - they'll both go meet the girl, take her back to hotel, then shinohai's gonna be "alright bro, now take your pants off. not those pants, these pants. yes off. here's a webpage with screenshots. ok, now..."
BingoBoingo: $b 2
shinohai: I don't give camho fucking lessons, if one cannot figure the best way to do that on your own then I imagine there is little hope left in the world for you.
mircea_popescu: dude you kidding ? fucking is complicated.
shinohai: Sure it ir, but you don't have to be a graduate of Don Juan university to do it either.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, usg hasn't yet liberated female pelvis. current version still has confusing # of holes.
mircea_popescu: but i hear they're making an upgrade marked mandatory for everyone. called persistent cloaca.
mircea_popescu: (look it up, bout 50 ppm or such as it is)
shinohai searches trilema for an `Art of Fucking` piece.
mircea_popescu: there's some periphrastic work but afaik i've not tackled this monster as of yet.
BingoBoingo: Well, shinohai's about to have a really disappointed Venezualan on his hands if mp doesn't
BingoBoingo: brb 4real nao
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/qntra-sqntr-august-2016-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) August 2016 Statement
thestringpuller: doesn't shinohai have lady already?
shinohai: Nope thestringpuller have been single for several months now
thestringpuller: oh so no excuse not to go to D*C
thestringpuller: :D
asciilifeform: what's that ?
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://lwn.net/Articles/699047
asciilifeform: 'Outgoing Apache OpenOffice project management committee (PMC) chair Dennis Hamilton has begun the discussion of a possible (note possible at this point) shutdown of the project. "In the case of Apache OpenOffice, needing to disclose security vulnerabilities for which there is no mitigation in an update has become a serious issue. In responses to concerns raised in June, the PMC is currently tasked by the ASF Board to account for thi
asciilifeform: s inability and to provide a remedy. An indicator of the seriousness of the Board's concern is the PMC been requested to report to the Board every month, starting in August, rather than quarterly, the normal case. One option for remedy that must be considered is retirement of the project. The request is for the PMC's consideration among other possible options." '
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7ECDAB4F47DC074FD5DD619E8497611C76099101869F1050F59331ACB3688182 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 145779041854024466543805435305040161032263039552445727478889939629125145055920877942711960663495543281995643871739066589514344423826837360474704980190032888801407462352657389669434143403256718707620480595574061505020992885043476125599502375559426045681606348052292104535537217875044255423036410266975082307929 divides RS
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F8011333E293B9F0A5F9BE238EEE6962F9991F66F3FA36CDC317C0680C02D5AF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 145779041854024466543805435305040161032263039552445727478889939629125145055920877942711960663495543281995643871739066589514344423826837360474704980190032888801407462352657389669434143403256718707620480595574061505020992885043476125599502375559426045681606348052292104535537217875044255423036410266975082307929 divides RS
asciilifeform: ^ Chicago, Illinois, US. 'CLEAR WIRELESS LLC'.
asciilifeform: and Rochester, New York, same.
mircea_popescu: nice thick factorz.
asciilifeform: $ timeout -k 0m 3s nc 96.24.7.172 22
asciilifeform: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.2
asciilifeform: $ timeout -k 0m 3s nc 66.233.213.117 22
asciilifeform: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.2
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: $s "OpenSSH_5.2"
a111: 4 results for "\"OpenSSH_5.2\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22OpenSSH_5.2%22
asciilifeform: aaaaaaaaand now we have another idiotmodem.
asciilifeform: btw i once bought a 'clear wireless' modem thing.
asciilifeform: sent it back, the claimed coverage area was a fiction.
asciilifeform: (this was some years ago.)
mircea_popescu doesn't use wireless.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu sits on fnargl throne, aha, and trails long wire behind him on occasions when he is carried.
mircea_popescu: you all want wireless because you grow cats in the house, admit it.
mircea_popescu: but yes, when i had garden in timisoara i also had a spool of cat5.
asciilifeform: incidentally i suspect the 'cellular' ips are not modems.
asciilifeform: the latter typically do not allow for remote access (this is a major sticking point, they dun like incoming)
mircea_popescu: hm this is a good point huh
mircea_popescu: watch that it's actual towers lmao
mircea_popescu: "phuctor has accidentally uncovered an access gateway for the usg global intercept network"
jurov: Qntra shares distributed.
shinohai: ty jurov and also do you have updated .deb for eulora?
jurov: oh not yet
shinohai: :/ ok
jurov: maybe today, thx for reminder
shinohai: werd
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the major point re the Framedragger keyz, is that if going by the usual braindamaged-rng hypothesis, we are uncovering a small % of phuctorables.
asciilifeform: and could potentially blow considerably (say, 100,000x) moar, if we knew the mechanism (e.g. 'marsaglia rng seeded with last 16 bits of time stamp at first boot) which produced them.
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: given as what we're seeing is 'birthday paradox.'
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: the correct move here if we had spare engineers would be to run a complete review of open sores crypto material generators, starting with openssh
mircea_popescu: and then apply that to zero field, timestamps, etc.
mircea_popescu: get a "cloud" of likely primes, much in the way "artificial intelligence" works.
asciilifeform: or even to take 1 known pair of key and what-made-it, and work backwards.
mircea_popescu: ie, if paul biggar weren't a total idiot, he'd be here doing this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's much iffier because as you've seen in the field, the idiots who are idiots once are going to be idiots forever
mircea_popescu: what's that "pirate party" derp again ?
asciilifeform: hasimir ?
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: NONE of them produced the fucking software. all of them produced various versions of "oh, you owe us things"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523076 <<☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:09 mircea_popescu: $rate hasimir -1 Ill informed idiot.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: somehow the "here is the code i compiled to run to obtain that result" is not obviously the ONLY thing they may do in their situation.
mircea_popescu: meaningless flailing about what "we haven't proven" however, ie, the ONLY thing they may not do in their situation, that they come up with qs.
asciilifeform: eh i wasn't suggesting ~asking~ them.
mircea_popescu: and you can ask / say whatever you want, idiot runs on own code and ain't taking outside input.
asciilifeform: but to take one of the routers discussed in the netcat thread and actually see how it shits out key
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform emulating them, same diff.
mircea_popescu: anyway. none of this is a good use of your time atm.
asciilifeform: it could be good use of somebody ~else~
mircea_popescu: hence why "ask them".
mircea_popescu: yes, it could have, at any point during the past year, been a significant way for the derps to contribute ; and very cheap for them.
mircea_popescu: but they are derps because impotent, not because "mp hates them"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eh, betcha hanno boeck et al are already nearly done cooking up a 'we've been surveying bad ssh keygen for 111 years' crock of shit
mircea_popescu: $key mihi
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/fa988714-c82c-4fae-b4f6-fe63d184f1a0/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im sure.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the monkey house, https://archive.is/0Afgw
asciilifeform: 'Last week, a defense lawyer argued that the FBI drastically improved the performance of a dark web child pornography site in the process of investigating it. On Thursday, the Department of Justice responded, denying those claims.'
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: i believe.
asciilifeform: soooo, i suppose ~everyone recalls https://archive.is/L4C3X . and naturally nobody cancelled it : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrWvP7BVMAAFsVC.jpg
mircea_popescu: loller
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja ever notice that ~all of the Framedragger boxes support publickey auth on ssh ?
mircea_popescu: i didn't really dig into it.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/jJPoN << quite related.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: typically the key used for actually logging in is generated on same box. with same braindamaged rng. hopefully i dun need to draw a picture, it makes sense
mircea_popescu: hey, let the reader benefit, what.
trinque: asciilifeform: people generate their ssh privkey on the box *to which* they're connecting?
asciilifeform: trinque: current working hypothesis is that ~none of the affected boxes are operated by 'people'
asciilifeform: but instead shipped with a script that generates keys on first boot
asciilifeform: (as typical router/modem/etc.)
mircea_popescu: ^
trinque: I am on a terribly laggy connection, but people there can be understood as "manufacturers"
trinque: all the networking gear I've seen didn't ship with any authorized_keys filled in
asciilifeform: trinque: try a ssh -v ipaddrgoeshere -l root on one of these
asciilifeform: do you still see a 'debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password' ?
mircea_popescu: trinque depends on setup ; sometimes nat people do this. gotta remember we're talking of a tiny fraction of the space here.
asciilifeform: well other working hypothesis is that it is ~not~ tiny fraction, but a tip of the 'birthday theorem' iceberg.
mircea_popescu: yes, the people with shitty opsec are never a tiny fraction of any group ; even if we don't meet them often
asciilifeform: think of it as a geiger that rattled all day long at 1000x the familiar background for the room.
trinque: asciilifeform: yes I know what that means.
asciilifeform: yes, there IS some nonzero probability of it happening 'at random', but chances are that someone was served polonium tea.
trinque: but it does not immediately follow that there are any authorized_keys set or determine where they were generated if so
asciilifeform: and the tube is only seeing a microscopic fraction of the photons.
asciilifeform: trinque: well that was the q. didja try it ?
mircea_popescu: trinque his idea was that it's worth checking if there were ; not necessarily that there are.
mircea_popescu: but at this point it wouldn't be much surprise if there were, honestly.
trinque: ah well no argument I guess.
trinque: people do the strangest things.
asciilifeform: soooo, turns out that the 'publickey' thing is displayed whether or not it is actually enabled.
asciilifeform: so we have 0 useful info re subj.
mircea_popescu: to be clear here : if the keys are generated out of 16 bits of entropy ; and if there are 65537 keys ; then necessarily there will be at least one weak pair, and in practice more than half ; all of which will be cheaply hacked apart by phuctor's method.
mircea_popescu: considering we have millions of keys, and considering the sort of shenanigans we've seen currently, including werner koch's gpg subversion most recently ; it would not be inconceivable at this point if a good chunk - thousands, hundreds of thousands of keys can actually be factored once we figure out which exact 20, 30, whatever bits are actual entropy , and how the nextprime is chosen on the basis of that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: correct.
mircea_popescu: because if we discover that say "thisfunction is used on 64 bits of input of which the first 44 are known" ; then we run the other 20, add the resulting nextprime etc add those into the 8ball and it's goodnight.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just making it plain for teh log readership.
asciilifeform: it is quite conceivable, given the popping rate, that some large fraction of extant rsa keys have somewhere between 24 and 64 bits of actual entropy.
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: in epic spam noose, 'HONR378Q Honors Seminar: Islamic Radicalization Drivers of Youth in the United States and Afghanistan Omar Samad, former Afghanistan Ambassador to France. This is a Global Classroom seminar: Using teleconferencing technology UMD Honors students will be conducting research with their Afghan peers at the American University of Afghanistan in Kabul.' --- then, 24 hrs later,
asciilifeform: 'Yesterday, we announced HONR 378Q, and many of you are interested in the course. Unfortunately, as you may already know, AUAF was attacked by terrorists 10 days ago and they are in the process of recover. So we are unable to offer the course this semester; but we are hopeful that we will be able to offer it in the future.'
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: is this what they call the police arresting the key people of their child porn ring ? "attacked by terrorists" ?
mircea_popescu: no shame anymore.
asciilifeform: when did these folks ever have shame.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/3eUpF << see also.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://gnupg.org/blog/20160830-web-key-service.html << koch grunts again to push folks to gpg2. this time, by 'obsoleting' sks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: best part, now 'mailer can do encryption without user interaction' !11111
mircea_popescu: o ya, such feature.
mircea_popescu: anyway. sks has no practical future.
asciilifeform: neither does koch's not-sks.
asciilifeform: ('wks')
mircea_popescu: o he has a replacement ? lol
asciilifeform: that was the whole lul in subj link.
asciilifeform: he is pushing a new, gpg2-only thing.
asciilifeform: unveiled at the 'pgp conference', no less.
asciilifeform: (i can only assume, as this is where he was)
mircea_popescu: the braindamage of faux incompatibility.
mircea_popescu: wtf is "gpg-2"
mircea_popescu: "what color is your rsa key bro"
asciilifeform: the abortion discussed in the recent rng thread.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no i mean, i nthe context of keys. they're still the same damned thing, what "2"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idea was that only gpg2 knows how to talk to the 'wks' crapolade.
shinohai: "An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday." <<<< bwahahaha
trinque: so NSA is favoring Trump or what?
mircea_popescu: $up Rowtan
deedbot: Rowtan voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so basically they took the windows pill.
mircea_popescu: "And honesty's against all common sense: men must be knaves, 'tis in their own defence. Mankind's dishonest; if you think it fair among known cheats to play upon the square you'll be undone. Nor can weak truth your reputation save: the knaves will all agree to call you knave."
asciilifeform: http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2016-09-02/hanjin-bankruptcy-causes-global-shipping-chaos-retail-fears << moar lelz.
asciilifeform: 'The bankruptcy of the Hanjin shipping line has thrown ports and retailers around the world into confusion, with giant container ships marooned and merchants worrying whether tons of goods will reach their shelves. The South Korean giant filed for bankruptcy protection on Wednesday and stopped accepting new cargo. With its assets being frozen, ships from China to Canada found themselves refused permission to offload or take aboard co
asciilifeform: ntainers because there were no guarantees that tugboat pilots or stevedores would be paid.'
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: time to buy your ship if you're serious. this unique circumstance in human history will never repeat.
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: tis a fact.
asciilifeform: 'folks charging $1000 per container could not afford the diesel. i know great idea! i'll buy one and carry 0 containers, charging $0 !'
asciilifeform: these ships have exactly all of the appeal of driving a ww2 panther tank around town.
mircea_popescu: they float.
mircea_popescu: unlike the kickstarter lolrlov nonsense. they exist, and they float. nobody asks you to go from vancouver to huangzhou.
asciilifeform: what's the mtbf on these things ?
mircea_popescu: for what operational definition ?
mircea_popescu: mean time between hull failures is about a century.
asciilifeform: for 'failure' being 'not repairable outside of dry dock'
mircea_popescu: few are ever repaired.
asciilifeform: that doesn't sound good.
mircea_popescu: too expensive to drydock. cheaper to melt and make new one than "fix".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most galleons were never repaired also.
asciilifeform: until the day when no new ones are available at any price.
mircea_popescu: if you buy a newish one at a fire sale/bankruptcy proceeding today ; you will die before it dies.
mircea_popescu: how long do you think you got, a century ?
asciilifeform: let's run with this concept. say i buy. where to park it ?
mircea_popescu: you don't park it. you live on it.
mircea_popescu: intl waters.
asciilifeform: and never walk off for supplies, etc
asciilifeform: ?
mircea_popescu: you got a crane or two. get people to bring you supplies by boat.
asciilifeform: i suppose when you're mircea_popescu, you can just moore your dirigible to it.
mircea_popescu: if you buy enough walmart will do anything.
asciilifeform: *moor
mircea_popescu: hey, i had them deliver 2 tons of water by hand ; the whole purchase was a few hundred bux.
mircea_popescu: they'll deliver. you just buy your sprat by the pellet rather than by the box as now. it keeps./
asciilifeform: neato.
mircea_popescu: it works better if you have half a dozen slavegirls with you ; buy ten tons of flour, have them make bread each day
asciilifeform: incidentally, if this is a thing, how come nobody afaik uses old cargo ship as office space.
mircea_popescu: flour also keeps ; esp at sea. ten tons will still only cost you a few thousand dollars, who cares.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some people do. it sucks.
asciilifeform: where are the sad flotillas full of captive programmers etc.
mircea_popescu: but that's because living on the sea sucks, not because the ships suck.
mircea_popescu: there's MANY flotillas of sad shoe makers / tailors etc.
mircea_popescu: hundreds of ships load raw materials in china deliver product in brazil and back and forth
mircea_popescu: like a large sort of ant colony digesting leaves of denim
mircea_popescu: the reason they're not programmers is that there's no useful value in programming.
asciilifeform: what's the win from hosting the shoemakers on the ship per se ?
asciilifeform: vs only the shoes
mircea_popescu: it's entirely a social-media thing. boys "program" exactly like the girls "are popular"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they can't leave.
mircea_popescu: better work ethic.
asciilifeform: and on land they can leave ?
mircea_popescu: yes.
asciilifeform: i suppose on the boat they cannot go to the pub etc.
mircea_popescu: review the problems of running mines in the us cca 1800. dumbass minersd want to work a week and visit a brothel.
mircea_popescu: this is plowing with chickens. they work for a year at a time not for a two hour stretch ; then you got a business.
asciilifeform: that this was not yet done to programmers illustrates the 'nobody needs 'software industry' for very much, it would not cover the diesel' hypothesis.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
asciilifeform: then again, lawyers or stock traders are likewise not yet on the ship.
mircea_popescu: programming is not an economic activity ; it has no value. it's a social activity, like clicking on lolpics or liking on facebook.
asciilifeform: the mere fact of the absence of the slave ship does not tell us why.
mircea_popescu: the govt distributes largesse for this and for that, so the mouthbreathers can keep going.
asciilifeform: arguably making shoes for these selfsame people is likewise countereconomic.
asciilifeform: even if the shoes - are real.
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> it's entirely a social-media thing. boys "program" exactly like the girls "are popular" <- only today I read in that sad ACM magazine that *used* to be a thing about the great discovery of "helping" children finally learn programming by...making it social!
diana_coman: so myeah, spot on
mircea_popescu: heh
diana_coman: social as in social-media, ofc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this isn't to say that there can't exist a market ; or that one can't write useful code.
mircea_popescu: but the bullshit koch does ; or blizzard does ; or app development or etc ain't it
asciilifeform: the activity as now extant resembles, more than anything, the building of the pyramids.
mircea_popescu: not even vaguely. the activity resembles final middle school camp.
mircea_popescu: all the boys are out in the forest jacking off, and all the girls are being mean to each other in circles of n-1
mircea_popescu: but whatever, highschool's starting soon.
asciilifeform: that makes it sound like harmless fun
asciilifeform: which it, by and large, is not.
asciilifeform: cleaning up the mess from the circle jerk will take 10,001 man-year of people of whom not even 100 are alive.
mircea_popescu: not really. i already cleanned it up ; exactly in the way the spunk left behind by the teens is cleanned.
mircea_popescu: "just don't go there" aka http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/
asciilifeform: point finger != cleaned up.
mircea_popescu: that's not it. just ... look, all this "work" that the prb derps think they're doing. it has no future. it isn't getting imported into bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: they think they're important, fine. every teenager thinks himself important, and relevant to the world. the truth is none of them are either.
mircea_popescu: this is universally true. a lot of "work" was "put" into myspace. so ? nobody cares, nobody uses it. same is true of google, or of facebook.
mircea_popescu: maybe, vaguely, we might resurect something later that people who are really emotionalyl invested in their youth not having been wasted will misinterpret as "we took it from google".
asciilifeform: before stomping a scorpion, i do not need to buy a new scorpion. but before shooting horse, i gotta buy a new horse.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, we didn't.
mircea_popescu: this isn't a horse, or a scorpion. it's a fashion.
asciilifeform: (e.g., the case of pgp)
mircea_popescu: before not caring about random fashion, one needn't even know it exists. there are really NO prerequisites to simply not including bad code, caring abotu stupid social conventions etc.
asciilifeform: or, more pointedly, the long and quite unpleasant surgery involved in undoing the idiocies of 'satoshi' derp, by no means complete even now
mircea_popescu: i shall handwave again at you.
asciilifeform: mega-argument.
asciilifeform: 'don't go there' is very simple algo when you have another 'there' to which to do.
asciilifeform: *to go.
mircea_popescu: aha. hey, i'm a man of simple tastes. 120 tdw boat , dirigible... i always content myself with the very inaccessible.
asciilifeform: for some reason my immediate mental image now is the legendary newly oil-rich bedouins who, supposedly, abandoned mercedes in the desert rather than bothering to refuel it
asciilifeform: (refueling was seen as 'dirty' work, unfit for manly man etc.)
asciilifeform: or so it went.
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: i have nfi if this tale is true, but there is another, steve dutch (geologist, i linked to a few of his pieces) reported that arabs initially had serious problems with oil well maintenance when no migrant worker could be found to wash a part, oil a machine, etc.
asciilifeform: True Man would dirty his hands with no such thing. or sumthing.
mircea_popescu: who knows. fact is romania had it made in the shade, exporting skilled workers + machined parts in exchange for straight out concessions. had its own oil field which it sucked with its own rigs, oil moved on its own boats to its own refineries
mircea_popescu: how this came to pass is anyone's guess, but the arabs had a reputation for engineeringly inept.
asciilifeform: same way, e.g., aramco came to exist.
mircea_popescu: pretty much
mircea_popescu: it's probably gay to wash things, who even knows.
asciilifeform: this is not so far out.
mircea_popescu: "i wash sword in blood of enemies and dick in ass of their wives. what need has true man for water ?"
asciilifeform: picture, if you will, if tomorrow some tech were introduced that required operator to lactate.
mircea_popescu: you mean like babies ?
asciilifeform: well, no, some contrived item, closer to oil drilling.
asciilifeform: http://oglaf.com/son-of-kronar << oblig.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-02#1533505 << this is sop for dudes who get their balls sucked with any kind of regularity. mebbe it's a bit pornstarish but it's the only way to live.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-02 04:08 boolcrap: what kind of man shaves their balls
pete_dushenski: in other sexy news, the mpex 'speed bump' feature is catching on beyond iex. http://archive.is/0xOrx
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532928 << /adds episode to list, mostly because all canada is doing is paying attention to trump.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-01 14:14 mircea_popescu: so i watched a southpark episode last night, it was one about how all the canadians moved to the us because they had elected a trump and canada was turned into a total detroit by his idiocy BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION, and it made me think of http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160831/from:98/to:98#98
pete_dushenski: there's a lotta "if trump were elected i just wouldn't even know what to say or do" going around
pete_dushenski: as if it isn't happening. or can just be "unhappened" if it inconveniently does
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-31#1532632 << wut, like i'm japanese master carpenter who doesn't even need nails to make timber structure stand for 1000 years ? hardly. anyways, the vanity is getting scrapped in favour of other reno prioritays.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-31 19:55 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Just shop for lumber and stone slabs. Teach the tot carpentry.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532649 << offline build script is mega nifty, mod6. i'll definitely be testing this out before long :)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-01 00:03 mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-September/000232.html
shinohai: Speed bump article is interesting pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532666 << thought this was plasticarwagon a la BingoBoingo at first. prolly citroen/peugeot upon further review.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-01 03:05 mircea_popescu: and in other excessive opulence news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loa4f0dV5g1qmk4gro1_1280.jpg
shinohai: leggz
pete_dushenski: shinohai: ya not bad eh. each exchange is favouring different party. diversitay done right.
shinohai: ^.^
pete_dushenski enjoys guess the car from one curve/angle/snippet game
pete_dushenski: speaking of the power of violence as a force for edumacation : http://archive.is/WiEYD
pete_dushenski: "Once a Bucknell Professor, Now the Commander of an Ethiopian Rebel Army"
pete_dushenski: somehow prof berhanu nega wasn't stopped at departure lounge for going to fight with 'isis or similar flavour of yogurt'. must be plumbook terrorist.
asciilifeform: lel new colour revolution
pete_dushenski: myup, which, like paris eating couscous, will result in washington eating injera
pete_dushenski: "Nega insists that Ethiopia has “cooked the books,” and that its growth rate is largely attributable to huge infrastructure projects and Western development aid, with little contribution from the private sector." << all to protect reputation of bahamas homeland
pete_dushenski: "Two months before Obama arrived, the government presided over what was widely considered a sham election, in which the ruling party won all 547 seats in Parliament, But Obama, making it clear that security trumped other concerns in the Horn of Africa, stood beside Meles’s successor, Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn, and described the government as being “democratically elected.”
pete_dushenski: http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/southpark/images/1/17/Ep_109_starvinmarvin.gif/revision/latest?cb=20070818234354 << oblig. ethiopian
pete_dushenski: "“If you like comfort, and that’s what drives you, you’ll never do this,” he told me, taking a sip of the ice-cold vodka. “But sometimes you get really surprised. Once you have a commitment to something, all these things that you thought were normal in your day-to-day life become unnecessary luxuries.”" << amen. spoken like a true terrorist.
pete_dushenski: in fact, if anything defines a "terrorist" it's exactly this spitting in the face of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1533233☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-01 20:36 mircea_popescu: "The sports casters are blaming back to school shopping, as if kids never before got outfitted for school at the and of August." << ahahaha. mno. as if anyone in the us has any money to spend. that's the big fucking point. usg.agitprop is talking about some wholly hallucinated shoping, that in their feverish imagination is so outsized as to keep people away from baseball even ?
mod6: <+pete_dushenski> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532649 << offline build script is mega nifty, mod6. i'll definitely be testing this out before long :) << thanks!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-01 00:03 mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-September/000232.html
pete_dushenski: at least ~one~ of the foundation chairs is pulling their weight :P
pete_dushenski bbl
shinohai: http://archive.is/Af8zl <<< should we add this to wp-mp mircea_popescu ?