mircea_popescu: with any luck, by 2017 they're entirely spent. that'd be such a perfect outcome of the whole ethereum idiocy i can't begin to tell you.
BingoBoingo: They'll just burn the next school's endowment.
shinohai: "Practically, this should mark the end of The DAO. The SlockIt folks should work hard to dismantle the fund and return the coins back to the investors in as orderly a fashion as possible.'
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 16:05 thestringpuller: 2/2 - I'd be VERY interested to know the identify of anyone coordinating an effort to oppose a hardfork. PM me stephan@slock.it
mircea_popescu: these brave weeklings, all tough and impressive as they've read on the inside of the eggshell.
thestringpuller: yea too many people are making money shorting eth right now to halt trading
☟︎ trinque: shinohai: holy shit; I thought that was your mock-paraphrase
trinque: This is good for Ethereum! (TM) (R)
trinque: how the hell does a "distributed autonomous organization" give a statement
trinque: must be like the voice of the people or something
deedbot: smickles voiced for 30 minutes.
smickles: yeah, but you could still have fun with it, but now there are massive fees for trading. they are using it for an isk-sink
smickles: naw, unfortunately it died quickly. I gave a few goes at recovering it, but was unsuccessful
smickles: I've got that on a list of things to do :)
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 4 by 4 connections.
smickles: not much, i'm having fun writing a trade bot again. going to do some machine learning stuff with it
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 02:32 mircea_popescu: wtf is an "indy" waitress.
a111: Logged on 2015-07-08 17:08 mircea_popescu: mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 01:39 thestringpuller: yea too many people are making money shorting eth right now to halt trading
BingoBoingo: lol "Ryan has endorsed Trump. But his use of the word “conscience” could prove helpful to delegates organizing the anti-Trump campaign because they are pushing to pass a “conscience clause” that would unbind delegates and allow them to vote for whomever they want"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo basically republican niggers want to represent, but nobody in particular.
jurov: thestringpuller: if there's a problem with blockchain/index, better start from the beginning or known good backup
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 11:09 thestringpuller: guess node will be ready in 2 months
thestringpuller: so i don't think it will sync to current. this was due to power outage. (i've done kill -9, so i'd assume same effect?)
thestringpuller: ^^^- that is I don't think it will send or ask for new blocks...it's "stuck" permanently.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller make a habit of keeping a backup of the blockchain.
mircea_popescu: expecting a 100s of GB datastore produced through the fragile stack known as bitcoin to survive for years intact is a bit much.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: not quite news yet. Anyone can make a pastebin. Also batteries
mircea_popescu: awww, no longer 2 bitcent to the ether ? whay socialist miracles never last!!!11
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 749.55, vol: 5320.24830455 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 724.014, vol: 6083.47776 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 752.54, vol: 52167.10303816 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 675.0, vol: 0.93071807 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 760.8478, vol: 48591.04150000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 755.996, vol: 4414.19933683 | Volume-weighted last average: 754.507996511
gribble: Current Blocks: 416867 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 444 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 23 hours, 31 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea next time it syncs i'll back it up for sure to multiple drives.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: But seriously bitcoind can be rather sensitive to sudden loss of power. Machine running it needs plugged into a battery.
thestringpuller: and buterin is freaking out cause if they don't like the "hackers" coins, they can't move to PoS
mircea_popescu: you telling me the whole entire field of usgtronic plans collapsed suddenly and irretrievably one fine morning ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 14:58 mircea_popescu: expecting a 100s of GB datastore produced through the fragile stack known as bitcoin to survive for years intact is a bit much.
shinohai: I'm using my unused pogo as datastore for it xD
BingoBoingo: shinohai: ty for an article that draws out so many comments qntra.net/2016/06/buterins-waterfall-unveils-log-plume-to-wood-chipper-ride/
shinohai: the lulz were bound to spill from that one on it's own
mircea_popescu: o check it out, lost a whole dollar since trilema article. one more and it's under 10.
thestringpuller: how to kill a 1.5bn dollar bubble overnight, the buterin waterfall story
mod6: asciilifeform: hey (i think I've asked this before) but; the blkcut utility doesn't allow a guy to exacto-knife one block out of a blkindex file does it?
mod6: well, im kinda trying to .. lol in a short cut way (without having to try to actually use it)
mod6: im got my hands full. am asking for thestringpuller who seems to be struggling
mod6: ok. cool. yeah, was thinking it'd be cool if we could get his blockchain height, say 408,001 and then chop off the last say, 1000 blocks so he'd be starting at 407,001
mod6: maybe that'd fix his problem.
mod6: thestringpuller: anyway, i get that you're "pissed" as you said the other day. if this is production server, you need to have some sort of backups indeed imo. if this is development, well, it's all part of the fun.
thestringpuller: so i'll jus tstart synching from ascii's node then i'll swap out for SSD once it picks up
thestringpuller: i don't think anything was wrong with that build just power outage corruption.
mod6: i think others have had problems with the same exact thing. power goes out -> bad things may happen.
mod6: i may try to find some time yet this weekend to take a look at this blkcut thing -- this may be away to roll life saving numbers on your block chain after a power outage in the future.
☟︎ shinohai: I can usually sync from backup, chop last blkxxx.dat and catch right back up pretty quick
mod6: s/in the future/after adding a feature/
mod6: you could just ditch the entire latest one (numerically)
mod6: but it'd be a much better tool to just produce a new file with all blocks in the original previous to block n.
mod6: so if your block index goes from 385,000 to 408,000, you could tell it "407,000" and then the output would contain everything from 385,000 to 407,000
mod6: something like that. does this make sense?
mod6: sorry i've been afk much of the week. have been pulling super long days shit-shoveling.
mod6: was so glad to finally be done, as of 5 minutes ago. but now, have to go clean gutters :/
mod6: i'll be back around later. best of luck thestringpuller
mod6: asciilifeform: ok. im thinking about a new feature for your tool, or perhaps, a new tool altogether.
mod6: was wondering if it makes some sense to do that.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 16:15 mod6: i may try to find some time yet this weekend to take a look at this blkcut thing -- this may be away to roll life saving numbers on your block chain after a power outage in the future.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has it though. bdb keeps a rather dubious index structure.
mod6: this is almost worth me like creating a development environment where I can take a copy of chain and just do some playing around on there. even with a broken chain.
mod6: maybe there is something that can be written to heal the index.
mod6: bdb is such a pile of crap.
mats: more advice for the future: buy a ups.
mod6: i'll think on this a bit while scraping biological gunk out of metal things.
mod6: heheh, someday when i buy the hog and cattle farms
mod6: "here, try this rubber popsicle"
mod6: alright wish me luck
mircea_popescu: nothing ever truly dies, just falls to the bottommost layer of the dumb ocean.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 14:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform next, watch the usg agents derping about how "cryptocurrency is dead because our shitscheme imploded" ; and once that goes nowhere, watch them come back to bitcoin to "fix" the "consensus problems" it "has".
mircea_popescu gloats over how his lines read better retrospectively than prospectively. THIS is true literature, and i doubt very much one in a hundred "genius writers" and other revered authors of yore qualify.
deedbot: daoattacker voiced for 30 minutes.
daoattacker: what's hilarious is that the signature isn't even valid
daoattacker: but I wrote the pastebin, the signature is fake ;)
mircea_popescu: let 'em pump it to an imaginary billion fiats and get all politically invested in it first, naimean.
daoattacker: btw fuck you mircea_popescu, but enemy of my enemy is my friend <3
daoattacker: asciilifeform, because i'm not the attacker, LOL. yet people ate it up.
deedbot: realdaoattacker voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: you're welcome, now drop your xkcd or 9gag or whatever an' move on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the advantage of crypto - it allows one to make absolute statements, but people dunno how to use it, so it at least gives them something to talk about.
mircea_popescu: the only thing worse than having something to talk about being not having something to talk about.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is rather notable though that the largest threat perceived by muppets and their drivers alike is "mp doing things". far, FAR above you know, their shitpile collapsing in a loud mess, the ONE thing that's worth expending the unhappeningium is, mp!
mircea_popescu: slutty wife prays "god, let me be pregnant or not, but in either case please don't let my husband figure out HOW". socialist prays "god, let the etherape happen or not, but in either case please don't let THE BAD GUY have done things!"
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy though. i certainly had a nice saturday morning
mircea_popescu: and when i finally croak ima go to saint peter an' say loudly an' clearly "what are you droning on about, old man, i didn't do nuttin'. ASK ANYONE!"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd read your first work of anthropology, re mains.
deedbot: Bugpowder voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
deedbot: fm0 voiced for 30 minutes.
Bugpowder: not gribble tho, but deedbot? New bot. Can u point me to faq if one exists.
Bugpowder: Now to pull the keys off the old machine… Hey it turned on, a good sign!
Bugpowder: list keys gives a graveyard of fails… e.g. Kludge
deedbot: cryptoflood voiced for 30 minutes.
Bugpowder: Keys recovered. Now should only take me 2-8 more hours to figure out how to setup gpg and ident…
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder btw, there's no ident. we got rid of state. all you do is decrypt a message.
mircea_popescu: and once you do it, be a darling and put a page on the wiki, for the next guy.
Bugpowder: ok… uhhh… I’ll ask more questions once i got gpg running and I get stuk. tx
mircea_popescu: in other news, trilema servers can apparently take 100k surges without even hiccuping. nb.
Framedragger: > realdaoattacker [ba17b74e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.23.183.78] entered the room.
Framedragger: [...] "city": "Buenos Aires", [...] "country": "AR"
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many internet urchins are being "the attacker" rightnao
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 17:21 mircea_popescu: how did you check ?
mircea_popescu: must suck to want to matter THIS BADLY and yet not be able to
Framedragger: "Someone could trick an autonomous agent into calling get_free_money() at the end of a very long call stack, such that thesend fails, and the agent would lose its money to this contract." etc
Framedragger: same, honestly, this has been uncovered only now, but, like, wtf, it's right there in a security audit, wtf
mircea_popescu: really, the claim is that buterin and the MIT are mongoloids.
mircea_popescu: not that o noes, this was such a great skillfully involved etc "hack"
Framedragger: i just find it amusing in general, yeah pointing out not as a contra, but, just, for the lulz
shinohai: Is this daoattacker fr ... BA ?
Framedragger: shinohai: runaway side effect of turing complete contracts. some a.i. leakage unavoidable.
shinohai: Interesting that so many "news sources" shat out same interview all at once.
mircea_popescu: shinohai this is ~the result of google existing, basically.
Framedragger: > soon we will have a smart contract to reward miners who oppose the soft fork and mines the transaction. 1 million ether + 100 btc will be shared with miners.
deedbot: DaoSancho voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ima go pick up a slut, will be back in a few hours. just in case any gavin andresen implementations feel the burning need to derp here.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: "fuck your village" thanks for the lols :D
mod6: anyone else ever used this?
shinohai: I used it one time a long time ago, it has to go through the WHOLE chain first
☟︎ mod6: yeah, looks like it. thought maybe i'd learn a thing or two by reading this code.
mod6: "As of this writing, it needs a log of RAM to work, typically upwards of 25Gigs." :D
mod6: but like i said, something to be learned from this maybe
shinohai: shouldn't this be possible to an extent with dumpblock ?
mod6: im on the same thought track - yeah.
shinohai: I'll start poking it with stick.
mod6: just thinking about this stuff... food for thought
mircea_popescu: sooo... apple "withholds" "tech aid" from trump campaign. best fucking thing that ever happened to those people, not being bogged down by macs & shit.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 20:33 shinohai: I used it one time a long time ago, it has to go through the WHOLE chain first
shinohai: I'll wind most anything up once to see if it wobbles.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i always thought the reference there must be "idiot's village".
gribble: jurov was last seen in #trilema 3 hours, 49 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <jurov> O.o 2-8 hours
mircea_popescu: derp is something else. his "speaking skills" ? "expertise" ?
mircea_popescu: does it take some sort of skill and expertise to be loudly wrong about everything you say and collect a whole trophycase of "that one time i was so ridiculous people laughed at me for a week" ?
mircea_popescu: amusingly, even twitter's tearing him a new one. lol. mmmmkay. EXPERTISE!
mircea_popescu: well of course, he exists because the asshole behind ers&co's "we'll get UBER RICH by backstabbing rms", the one with the shoddy "guide" textbook publishing scam, promoted him way back when.
mircea_popescu: kinda the strategy of that mini usg, "find pliable idiots in all fields, promote them, get payola when/if nsa needs some planting done"
mircea_popescu: there was a pretty decent monograph on how the early days of "open source" vs "free software" played out, with the wanna-be derp front and center, i think linked in the logs.
a111: Logged on 2015-01-11 03:50 mircea_popescu: i don't propose that rms "shouldn't have" or that fsf shouldn't have been or anything of the sort. but really, the pretense that at some point the situation seriously was, red pill vs blue pill and o'reilly of all people tricked everyone into getting the wrong pill...
mircea_popescu: which is the story here. derpopo's o'reilly's point man in "cryptoblockchainaltechnologies" after being kicked the fuck out of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: he printed for the same reason vc generally prints : "gotta have finger in all pies you never know which you want later".
mircea_popescu: 0 to do with demand, which a) doesn't exist and b) is ALWAYS marketing driven anywa.
mircea_popescu: or what, you think anyone WANTED to read the fucking harry potter nonsense ?
a111: Logged on 2013-12-22 16:56 asciilifeform: 'what people “want” is a function of what they learn is available. e.g., do Americans want three-ring binders, and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of the infor