a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 15:26 mircea_popescu: inbcidentally asciilifeform as per that discussion of how much it costs to index etc, phuctor is a total google poison.
ben_vulpes: and how it needs moar cross referencing links obvs
ben_vulpes: i swear that apple is varying the time at which it presents its "are you ready to upgrade now?" modal to me
☟︎ ben_vulpes: ('ooh it's 530 on a weekday and he's at the place where he last consented to upgrade xcode. maybe he's sauced enough to say yes this time!')
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 01:35 ben_vulpes: i swear that apple is varying the time at which it presents its "are you ready to upgrade now?" modal to me
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582407 << i tried living in TECO at some point (they way i've done with a bunch of other text editors, like acme) and it was beyond even my patience. it's definitely an emacsism in a sense of "this part makes no sense, but that's how the elders did it, so stfu"
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 01:07 asciilifeform: i suppose idea is fairly obvious.
ben_vulpes: 10.9 heathen beyond redemption utterlol
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 22:37 asciilifeform: it is an abominable editor, except when compared to the others.
davout: if you're using more than a keystroke to move accross whitespace, or don't have auto-indent you're misusing it, but yeah, just curious. not trying to sell anything here
davout: some come built-in i think, some others you have to inoculate
davout: i tried a couple of times, which all ended in "wtf is this?!"
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davout: asciilifeform: why'd you want simming anyway? go to your local airport and get a couple hours, flying is cheap in the US
☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: clojure folks have a variant of this, "fireplace"
davout: missing "sleep ad lib." required dependency
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, i know where he's coming from. all the kids excited about counterstrike gave me about the same impression originaly
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 04:54 asciilifeform: i also fucking ~loathe~ modal editors
mircea_popescu: and speaking of routing, holy shit was the zx board a nightmare.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582453 << he makes an excellent point. sign up for a class, you get someone to be there with you who can actually fly the thing, and also get to fuck with the controls. best of both worlds, and it's very much in the $50 for 5 minutes range, just gotta commit to a few hours' worth.
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 06:14 davout: asciilifeform: why'd you want simming anyway? go to your local airport and get a couple hours, flying is cheap in the US
mircea_popescu: but if you think one's worth every penny, you prolly think the other's worth every penny too.
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scriba: Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x93 in position 8122: invalid start byte]
scriba: Logged on 2016-12-11: [01:15:36] <mats> i was remorseful, things change
Framedragger: phf: thanks for pointing me in the right direction. scriba now reads log as byte sequence, tries decoding each line as utf-8, if that fails, then does latin-1. seems to be fine.
Framedragger: ^ just discovered this. "remove the CRUD", serve APIs directly from postgres. includes user/role/cookie management etc. pretty neat.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2015-07-11 02:26 trinque: becoming a features katamari shitshow
mircea_popescu: mysql for isntance tries with their permissions model, but it's crud.
trinque: it just needs to be written by someone with a brain.
trinque: emphatically not as "lets translate SQL to whatever a URL is allowed to do"
mircea_popescu: trinque incidentally, auth should be handled via rsa. user passes api two variables : one is a request encrypted to its key ; the other is the request + a server-provided salt hashed.
mircea_popescu: this allows server to allocate all requests to hashes, and that's the "username"
mircea_popescu: then just keep a master table of allowed hashes and their usage.
mircea_popescu: AND whether they may acquire locks ; and how often. etc.
Framedragger: as long as the 'check hash' operation is quick enough, otherwise DoS magnet (that's a very alf'y comment i guess)
trinque: doubtful check hash is going to be a significant proportion of "run query" for a reasonably large query
trinque: this whole thing actually describes something I have been working on for quite some time.
mircea_popescu: "you want access to X data store ? ask Y for a salt ; see api docs here"
trinque: not nearly done, nor fully conceptualized
mircea_popescu: no more of this should it be json or sexpr and pass via urls bs
trinque: but it is what the web *ought* to have been made atop
Framedragger: ah yeah, i recall you mentioning 'sql explorer' (for phuctor data iirc) trinque. ambitious but delicious project
jurov: asciilifeform: slime for vim is named slimv, i have tried it and it had almost all the functionality of emacs one... when it worked :( needs more eyeballs.
trinque: Framedragger: problem is that SQL was designed by cancerous fags just like Python.
mircea_popescu: well by the time the libtards are done fucking emacs, it'll work better than it anyway.
jurov: since the vim plugin is written in python, one needs to be wizard in both py and lisp to fix it
☟︎ mircea_popescu: lol wait wait. c-implementation of lisp glued to vim via python ?
jurov: it's not implementation of lisp
jurov: just an debugger using slime protocol
Framedragger: i'd actually like to see a coherent and all-in-one-place SQL / RDBMS-as-a-general-model critique some time. maybe it exists. usually it's mongodb hipsters complaining randomly, so i'd developed a (too-)generic "ignore 'em all" filter :p
☟︎ trinque: which brings me to my next point: no fucking seams in the internet db thing.
trinque: Framedragger: they are not equivalent
trinque: SQL was an "end user programming" idiocy, python idem
mircea_popescu: Framedragger afaik trinque is a great afficionado of the whole "db everything"
Framedragger: trinque: right right, so you're talking about SQL as a language, fair enough
mircea_popescu: jurov pity, because i'd have asked for "all strings are unicode strings". should have fixed it right and proper.
trinque: Framedragger: I'll give you a morsel to chew while I make coffee
trinque: why the fuck can't I name and reuse "joins" in SQL ?
☟︎ trinque: you can create views, yes, but relationships aren't separate, defined things you can invoke at will
Framedragger: can materialized views use joins in the way you want to? i haven't looked into them for some time, so dunno.
trinque: you make the view customers_with_addresses_and_ratings
trinque: rather than "select customers with addresses, ratings"
trinque: Framedragger: my criticism is that I specify what constitutes the relationship between customers and addresses each time I use the relationship.
trinque: and this is given as a general whiff of endless haphazardness in SQL
Framedragger: aha right, you sort of define it upon every use, which sucks balls and is an example of stupid inflexibility
trinque: makes traversing lots of relationships at once harder to fit in head
Framedragger: yeah, aliasing is an important mental-compression operation. i see what you mean
Framedragger: (there's lack of general flexibility, it's full of baked-in developer-choices so to speak, etc.)
trinque: the language was pulled in the direction of "user interface" by some, "programming language" by others, ended up neither.
trinque: when you try to design for the novice, you must leave essential parts of the problem out, then hope to hide it, inevitably failing.
Framedragger: "there are always leaks." yeah, i mean, no objections i guess.
Framedragger: the "UI/programming-language" juxtaposition is quite apparent when writing pl/pgsql. i dunno, it's a weird feeling.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't say you must. "when you design for the novice in the sense of trying to lie to them about their inferiority, you are stuck with that lie and it gets ever more expensive to maintain"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: kinda how the entire modern insanity came about. "oh, people are more productive when they THINK they're good, irrespective of how good they are" "yeah, but telling people who aren't good that they're good convincingly has a cost" "well, what if we try and arbitrage the delta-productivity from the first against the marginal-cost from 2nd ?!" "dude what" "no really, if we made all the tools really shitty ? and mass production
mircea_popescu: ? and the corporation ? and government regulation ? and ?" "dude go fuck your mother."
mircea_popescu: possibly the most amply researched stupid idea in the history of human science ; "is there life other than on earth" didn't receive 1% of 1% of the attention.
trinque: if they're only measuring shit by volume, they're going to say great success.
trinque: seems a guy like guido has a particularly bad case of delusional narcissism, too.
trinque: "I can create this smart-guy talisman and bless The People with my disembodied smart."
trinque: idiot I worked for in Portland was always talking about "untapped creativity" in re: end user programming
mircea_popescu: idiots keep giving new names to "the god who'll give me manna"
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 06:14 davout: asciilifeform: why'd you want simming anyway? go to your local airport and get a couple hours, flying is cheap in the US
Framedragger: asciilifeform: except you're not paying for the full retail price of a harley, and you don't need to train for 10 years? :)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 07:09 davout: missing "sleep ad lib." required dependency
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 11:01 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582453 << he makes an excellent point. sign up for a class, you get someone to be there with you who can actually fly the thing, and also get to fuck with the controls. best of both worlds, and it's very much in the $50 for 5 minutes range, just gotta commit to a few hours' worth.
Framedragger: i don't know how it is in the .us and it's prolly *quite* a bit more complicated than that, also i had the lucky chance of having a relative who'd invite to fly with him and show me basic flight control stuff, but are you not able to get lessons as a total noob?
Framedragger: aite, that's a chunk of money for sure, i'd've thought it to have been lower than that :(
Framedragger: well, iac it's a shame no decent game controllers are available, true that :/
mircea_popescu: it's pretty much like fucking - dun much matter if YOU're a virgin.
mircea_popescu: at the time it was, go to serbia shoot muslims and have grateful sex with the rescued hussies.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 12:31 jurov: since the vim plugin is written in python, one needs to be wizard in both py and lisp to fix it
mircea_popescu: yes, but it means "you can press keys and nothing is printed". which matches.
mircea_popescu: nono. on old sinclair, first you get the "cursor" into the right mode, THEN you type.
jurov: incidentally, arrow keys do work regardless of mode. or i dunno what vim-from-hell alf ran into?
jurov: next time all will get into white-hot rage about ed? let's go buy popcorn
mircea_popescu: so a) use vim ; b) there's a humongo economy of strokes, at the cost of muscle memory, if youy care. if you don't car,e go ahead.
mircea_popescu: yes yes, editor wars exist because previous investment, i know i know.
mircea_popescu: depends what you use it for. if you msotly use an editor to create de novo text, not good fit. if you mostly use editor to adnotate other people's text, very good fit.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: insert "you are an idiot!" 500x times in five pages ? vim!
Framedragger: asciilifeform: quick unrelated q: in phuctor, do the phuctored debianized keys appear in /phuctored ? from what i recall and understand, all of them are there. and one wouldn't have to look at /sadmods or /dupes - correct?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 12:27 mircea_popescu: and on this model, you can expose all the dbs directly.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 12:32 Framedragger: i'd actually like to see a coherent and all-in-one-place SQL / RDBMS-as-a-general-model critique some time. maybe it exists. usually it's mongodb hipsters complaining randomly, so i'd developed a (too-)generic "ignore 'em all" filter :p
trinque: yes, I mentioned all that.
trinque: sad that SQL the horror squatted such useful space.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 12:35 trinque: why the fuck can't I name and reuse "joins" in SQL ?
trinque: speaking of relics, I just dug up WORDS
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 12:49 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't say you must. "when you design for the novice in the sense of trying to lie to them about their inferiority, you are stuck with that lie and it gets ever more expensive to maintain"
mircea_popescu: "had an article about exactly this! here's 3 kinda related!"
trinque: something very v-tronic in there, separation between man and "the source code"
trinque: Naggum the god vs naggum the man
mircea_popescu: big part of problem was that he was writing his stuff as email answers to idiots
mircea_popescu: i suspect most of dood's life happened inside his skull. because that's the proboem with "make it easy for beginnertards" : it NECESSARILY also makes it hard for naggums.
Framedragger: [that reminds me, i bought a postcard of ayn rand and am yet to send this to a friend who is in full hate mode of her stuff. need to get this done for the festive season...]
Framedragger: hehe, don't know particulars, but it should be noted that he studied philosophy and in some of the circles he had to have business with, ayn rand sorta-has a place as a non-crackpot. hence the (arbitrary, otherwise) particular object of hate
Framedragger: (undergrad student circles, etc.; luckily those fall out of relevancy/radar as one ages)
mircea_popescu: " on the Net, people argue about whether year 2000 is a leap year or not, so it's not as if you can rely on the answers you get."
jurov: if only randists. there are plenty of kokeshists.
mircea_popescu: see alf, all these people proposing an end to usg are such lunatics and dope fiends.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 12:20 Framedragger: ^ just discovered this. "remove the CRUD", serve APIs directly from postgres. includes user/role/cookie management etc. pretty neat.
mircea_popescu: "to advance it is at serious odds with the massive glorification of youth. As marketing found itself unable to expand without encroaching upon our childhood, the intense drive to capture the minds of the youngest among us has tended to make people believe that 30 years of experience can be replaced by the young looks of rank novices. This is made worse by the management schools that make it possible for people who have yet
☟︎ mircea_popescu: to grow enough facial hair to need to shave daily not only to show off their insufficient beard growth as "hip" but to fill "leadership" positions where they feel threatened by anyone significantly older than themselves and where the inability to /lead/ is replaced by their simple skills at /managing/.
mircea_popescu: I believe it takes all kinds to make a working world, but what I find among the modern novices is that they do not feel the same way about the experts -- they want an expert-free world where their ignorance is not painful, where their inexperience is not used against them, where they get all the jokes, where nobody uses literary references that elude them, where every one of their ideas is accepted by their peers as just as n
mircea_popescu: ovel as they think it is, where they can make mistakes without being corrected by people who do know better, where they can reap all the benefits early in life instead of having to work for 40 years first."
Framedragger did a bit of privileged-teen-mode some years ago. "paying for life expenses with money earned from doing work" helpz
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 12:22 mircea_popescu: sql-to-api thing is actually not half a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: for what it's worth, could be a lengthy pile of perl just as well.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform were you asking for him to hit the lizzards where it hurts ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-28 15:33 mircea_popescu: if trump had any sense, lockheed, northrop & friends are FULLY defunded the same day, and are allowed the mercy to perhaps beg for SOME SMALL PORTION of re-funding, maybe, someday.
trinque: sure, he's ahead of schedule really
mircea_popescu: as it stands right now, lm can not confront its obligaitons to creditors (aka, bankruptcy) if it loses as little as 20% of us expenses.
mircea_popescu: this being the destructive idiocy of eating bad money - you're left without a company.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 15:53 mircea_popescu: ^ that part gotta be in the logs.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582570 << you also have "intro classes" that'll run you $150 or so with a reputable firm for half hour. i'm sure those same instructors would bring up the plane more than once under similar circmustances: you get to sit in the cockpit and "hold the joystick" at cruising
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 14:21 asciilifeform: Framedragger: you can, it's 10-20k usd or so.
phf: dc is kind of shitty that they (very few flight schools closebuy, with a lot of wealthy people learning to fly), but there was airport near philly where you could flag any of their instructors and they'd love to fly you around however long you want whether or not you commit to you "recreational" license
☟︎ phf: ha, then i know where you are
phf: but anyway, it's fun. not quite the same as a sim, i've no idea what these people are on about, but worth it if you have the cash. in fact if you can stretch 10k over a year, getting a license is not a bad idea
phf: "get to fly every weekend!1"
phf: sort of my thinking about flight sims. only reason i have xplane is for practice
davout: if you just want to hold the stick at cruise, and do some turning and going up and down, you can just go with any private pilot
davout: no need to find yourself an instructor
trinque: there's also the difference in experience: walk into hangar, leave. some factor the anal examination into the cost of going by airline.
davout: they won't even be legally allowed to charge you more than splitting the airplane rental costs
phf: davout: it's easier to find an instructor, than it is to "find any private pilot". plus you know asciilifeform objection "i don't know any private pilots"
☟︎ davout: i'm sure you could easily find someone anywhere in the US by hopping onto #pilots or /r/flying
phf: asciilifeform: i don't have any peripherals. i use it for their instrument challenges, and they also have a mode where they randomly fail something in the plane and you need to figure out what do. that sort of stuff
davout: asciilifeform: there's a big difference between "simming" and "playing"
davout: simming == what does this button do? does this work if i do the approach this way? what's that instrument?
phf: i have same reaction to sims as mircea_popescu to counter strike, so when you say sim i think xplane, or precusors like mfs (that i hear some still swear by !!1)
davout: hey! i still use ms word as a vim simulator!!!11
☟︎ davout: maybe you should stop trying to vim with joysticks
davout: but seriously, you're a lucky bastard if you live accross the street from an airport
davout: there is like one cessna on this fucking island, and it's used by skydivers
davout: flying is financial insanity, having one's own machine is double the financial insanity
davout: aeronautic maintenance is horribly expensive, parts are horribly expensive
davout: 100LL gas is double the price of regular gas, and machine swallows four times more
davout: and that's for the two seater cessna 150
davout: i guess having one's own machine can make sense in some cases, mine's not one of them
davout: if you find a flight school that's also renting it from you or something like that
davout: cessna 15 drinks roughly 22L/h
davout: reasonable car does what? 100km in an hour, drinks roughly 6~7L
☟︎ davout: and remember that cessna runs on 100LL, which in my understanding is regular petrol, just dried up further to prevent carb icing
davout: is also 2x more expensive
davout: i'm quite curious about the rental rates where you live
davout: around paris, a 150 with gas, and instructor will cost you 140€/hr
davout: i'm kinda considering getting myself a professionnal licence, to fly the big guys
davout: speaking of financial insanity...
davout: my impression is actually the opposite
davout: fun, but low pay (unless 30 years experience and a380 captain for air france/ba/lufthansa)
☟︎ davout: i don't think it's the "piloting" part that's attractive to me, but more the "let's go see the sun" when all the other derps are stuck under a shitty stratus shittus overcast layer
davout: also the "maybe it's a really boring job, maybe it's really cool" question that could conclusively be answered with "let's fucking try"
davout: also i already moved to sunville!
davout: ah yeah, i don't think there's much of that to be had
davout: i've borrowed a bunch of theory books too, and tbh the learning process itself seems pretty cool too
davout: i had no idea such a thing as a gyrolaser existed
davout: i now understand why it makes sense to have speed shown in knots AND mach number fraction
davout: does it have lasers? :D
davout: no moving parts? measures a momentum? same thing!
thestringpuller: How do pilot lessons cost 10k?!? Perhaps having cohorts in the boondocks has its advantages such as farmers with planes...
davout: yeah! that stuff's pretty fascinating
davout: thestringpuller: amount really depends on personal ability
thestringpuller: Give a farmer some good booze he'll take you up in the cropduster.
davout: you can become a private pilot for 5k$ if you're good and do homework between each lessaon
thestringpuller: the more traditional method when I was in school, was join Aviation club. Sit at desk give out free pizza, get free coupon for "lessons".
davout: "certified as long as you don't get caught"
davout: asciilifeform: you sure? it's kinda doubtful you don't at the ver least have to understand airspace class in general, and not get in the way of people trying to go somewhere in particular
davout: i have nfi about the US, but in france there's a specific ultralight license
☟︎ davout: that for some unknown reason you don't automatically get along with your private pilot license
davout: asciilifeform: get yourself F/A-18 hornet
davout: not *a* f/a-18 hornet duh
davout: i had lots of fun playing it
davout: played the demo for hours and hours
davout: no internet == no full game
davout: i distinctly remember getting on the train to paris as a kid to go buy the full game
davout: THEY DID NOT HAVE IT IN THE SHOP
davout: so i mastered the demo. demo didn't have the wire extended for carrier-landing? after countless attempts i managed to fucking land on the carrier anyway
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 17:22 davout: hey! i still use ms word as a vim simulator!!!11
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 18:32 davout: i have nfi about the US, but in france there's a specific ultralight license
davout: ben_vulpes: needs balls of steel
davout: "let's shoot some fiatliners"
davout: i also have old guy reactions to new video games
davout: "too much graphics! headache!"
davout: "what's this world of warcraft thing?? how do i get in insert mode"
davout: how does one get motion sickness on trains? it's like the dullest thing ever
davout: are you doing backflips while reading ?
davout: i now have this mental image of you reading on a rollercoaster
davout: acupuncture principles mebbe?
davout: aha, as in 'really painful', probably not same thing then, body more concerned with "aaaah, injured" than "blergh, poisoned"
Framedragger: gotta admire your industrious approach asciilifeform...
davout: while we're on the electricity topic: can i test the fact that my wall socket ground pin is correctly grounded by measuring the tension between said ground pin, and one of the plug holes?
Framedragger: reminds me of some guy who put a wire under his hand's skin, and made compass needle modulate the current (or somesuch). claims that after 2-3 weeks he had gained a genuinely new sense (of absolute direction)...
davout can never remember learning about cryptomnesia
davout: what could it be connected to that's not the earth?
davout: but if it's not connected to anything, how can i observe a tension between it and a socket hole?
davout: between the ground pin and the actual soil ?
davout: isn't "cold prong" the "ground pin" ?
davout: ok, maybe i just suck at engrish, "prong" is either a hole, or a pin poking out of the socket, the poking out one, being connected to the "ground pin", said ground pin being in the soil?
davout: ok, so i try to measure resistance between the soil and ground prong, and should find small value
davout: (and try not to kill myself in the process)
davout: where i live you don't just "buy stuff"
davout: where i live "it's complicated"
davout: where i live "cold storage" means you won't die eating the chicken
jurov: davout: you can test the ground pin voltage against water pipes. there never should be any
jurov: and that's also its purpose
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 16:59 phf: dc is kind of shitty that they (very few flight schools closebuy, with a lot of wealthy people learning to fly), but there was airport near philly where you could flag any of their instructors and they'd love to fly you around however long you want whether or not you commit to you "recreational" license
ben_vulpes: figure 4: subjective evaluations by review panel is particularly amusing
ben_vulpes: in specific grading a lisp 'c' for 'prototyping support' (review panel completely ignorant of repls i suppose) and 'c' for 'high level structuring' (macros don't exist i guess?)
ben_vulpes: and lisp weenies get a reputation for smugness
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 17:16 phf: davout: it's easier to find an instructor, than it is to "find any private pilot". plus you know asciilifeform objection "i don't know any private pilots"
ben_vulpes: kinda interesting how haskell has yet to eke out a foothold around here.
ben_vulpes off to inject an urban food log down his throat
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you don't get it : the "Reputation" bs is institutionalized oppression. in any system where group x has "reputation for y-bad" you know for a fact that a) group z is in charge ; b) group z is y-bad and c) group x is not.
jurov: ben_vulpes: haskell is too young
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes jurov haskell is domain specific for domains we're not as of yet interested in ?
jurov: no it's actually quite suitable for bitcoin implementation, i have written performant simulation in it (but had to instrument it not to gobble memory for lazy computation)
jurov: just not stable yet
jurov: 10y old haskell code not worky
mircea_popescu: ah then that's the answer : jurov's not published yet.
mircea_popescu: apparently the "around here" is wider than previously thought.
mircea_popescu: in other irrelevant home flavour, girl making zacusca (the proper ro thing, baked peppers, etc) "what do i do with the juice ?" "freeze it" "hmm... need to get bags we're out" "use an ice cube tray". now ima have veggie broth cubed, for soups!
mircea_popescu: there's possibly a language under academia-haskell screaming to get out ; strong types and etc
mircea_popescu: it's unclear if that language reduces then to ada, but i suspect not.
mircea_popescu: jurov did you consider and discard ml for your application incidentally ?
mircea_popescu: ocaml that ml which is ml in the sense javasCript is c.
mircea_popescu: phf as per naggumg quote ; quite exactly my mind too : there not existing cleverness is more valuable to the empire-of-idiots than any gains from clevernesses they realise.
mircea_popescu: which is true, too. republic grows by cleverness ; empire shrinks by it.
mircea_popescu: that open-ness is imaginary at best ; minigame will use ada rsa for example.
mircea_popescu: there's to my mind two different and unduly conjoined at the hip in practice meanings of "computer". ONE is "i need this tool to amplify my searching - false positives are not a concern, false negatives are very much a concern" ; but THE OTHER is "i need this machine to reliably do boring task for me - false positives are CATASTROPHIC, false negatives not so big a deal".
phf: i would learn pascal if only because it was spoken by knuth (c)
mircea_popescu: as per the first, returning "nothing there" wrongly when i scan hill will result in wolf eating me; returning "wolf" when nothing there will just result in more checks, no biggy.
mircea_popescu: this kind-of mirrors the two functions of brain discussed in neuroscience, the fuzzy and the sharp state
mircea_popescu: in wetware these are stress-switched (which is why "stress" even exists in mammals) ; but i don't expect hardware to be able to reconfigure my machine from one to the other - just as long as it does either well i can buy two machines.
phf: ru still uses pascal, at least at msucmc when i did evening math school kuryachiy taught everyone C, which i later learned was a kind of rebelling. dept proper uses pascal for all course material
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 17:41 asciilifeform: four times more per what ? per km ??
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 17:42 davout: reasonable car does what? 100km in an hour, drinks roughly 6~7L
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 18:14 davout: fun, but low pay (unless 30 years experience and a380 captain for air france/ba/lufthansa)