BingoBoingo: <shinohai> lol, I thought danielpbarron would be offended when it first appeared. << BingoBoingo is offended the Good Book is in, but the Big book is out... Perhaps add !~step and !~tradition
shinohai: I still need to do that special help message
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but in this sense, merely writing c code is the sin ; compiling it in the nazi flavour of socialism or in the soviet flavour of socialism, llvm vs gcc, is sort-of like, what flowers to leave on the raped body, roses or tulips. << Kalanchoe!
BingoBoingo: <Framedragger> it cites log lines. needs to be polished. that's all i wanted to test for now. << Excellent line to test. Many people got the order of the spraying and the cutting wrong to their loss.
trinque: phf: bot being diddled again?
mod6: is there a way to search the logs from one of these bot?
pete_dushenski: bible and translate are welcome additions. never know when those might come in handy.
pete_dushenski: that being said, a clearer explanation (if there is one) would make a solid trilema piece. there might not be a formula for this process in these early days of the republic, but i'm not one to underestimate mp's fertile mind.
a111: Logged on 2014-05-19 09:35 mircea_popescu: in a world created of tailored punishment and precision strikes, the incentive is for the bullshit you see.
hanbot: >24 hrs of rain in BsAs = auto power outages. where's the unesco world stupidity heritage designation already.
hanbot: yeah. i cooked by candlelight.
mircea_popescu: CHAR(111,108,111,108,111,115,104,101,114) = ololsher ?
mircea_popescu:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:62/to:62#62 << the same thing is in principle true of cryptography generally (funny how it just keeps coming back to this again and again) : "no matter how long you make your key, it can be factored by adding more computers". this is true ; but it's up to you to make it irrelevant. the reason whenever someone does manage to ddos trilema / qntra / etc i tend to just wait is because time
mircea_popescu: is working in my favour, and that is because their stack offers sufficient leverage so that the costs mount for attacker sufficiently faster than for me.
mircea_popescu: this is what "works" means in this context ; and this is what lisp stack will have to satisfy to be not-toy.
trinque: aha, certainly can't use because it's an amulet of past golden age.
trinque: ye gods, danielpbarron's couch has a rat king
mircea_popescu: ahahaah these people are so cute, "“We are not racist and we are not Front National [the far-right party of Marine Le Pen]. We understand there is a humanitarian question here, that there are people living in misery, but we are living with incivility and a growing feeling of insecurity,” Jean-Pierre Clipet, of the FDSEA farmers’ union, said."
BingoBoingo: trinque: You ought to know danielpbarron's leather couches have a buckskin finish
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: they're savvy enough to know how alt-left media will frame them. "oh you don't want to date shaniqua because you don't like her as a person ? racist!"
mircea_popescu: they're however not savvy enough to realise that the fact that nobody wants them means exactly this - that nobody wants them.
mircea_popescu: "the government" should intervene to make sure that calais looks like what group A would, rather than what group B would ? da fuck is this ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, because group A failed to repress groub B because they thought they had a deal with the government".
pete_dushenski: to the extent that they're 'playing by the rules of the prison', it's sop at this point
pete_dushenski: obv, no one told them that their gov was indeed cancelled
pete_dushenski: and any 'social contracts' flowing therefrom, or perceived to be flowing therefrom
mircea_popescu: how is their government cancelled ? it's working exactly as they intended it to work.
mircea_popescu: "no favoritism" they wanted ; and "equality" they wanted, and "down with corruption and old boys networks", they wanted.
mircea_popescu: well what, this only applies to other people ? turns out according to government, migrants have more right to calais than whoever kulaks are complaining.
mircea_popescu: for the very simple reason - the migrants need the government more ; and ask it for less. no brainer.
mircea_popescu: think of it as town-sized eminent domain, if you will. govt improving the land occupation.
pete_dushenski: 'their' government being the part that was cancelled. they created frankenstein, now he lives independently from the good doctor.
mircea_popescu: heh. i have nfi how they imagined "decolonialism" will work out as anything other than "bitch, you're the african now".
mircea_popescu: oh wait, wait, because if they say there's no social hierarchy there... won't be any. right, i forgot.
pete_dushenski recently just learned of sikh practices around 'equality', specifically with regards to naming (all girls are surnamed 'kaur', all boys 'singh' until married). no moar caste sistam u guise!
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's a reason india amounted to ~nothing throughout its lengthy history.
pete_dushenski: sorry, 10th ~guru~, Guru Gobind Singh, started the sikh naming convention in 17th century
pete_dushenski returns to watching doped up and remarkably virile looking chinamen beat up on scrawny, malnourished, and probably 'cleaner' nodicks in 2012 olympics men's doubles badminton finals. gotta love the drive of the children of parents who knew famine.
Framedragger: i'm sure you're right, no bot would have survived. wonder if you could use sth like fastnetmon (if it can eat your logs or if you can format them accordingly?) to analyse the DoS / sql attack further..
a111: Logged on 2016-08-30 11:25 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: and i'll implement these things even if phf's bot becomes more reliable or w/e, because, decentralization!1
thestringpuller: diana_coman: welcome shinohai to the mess of planeshift legacy code << I thought Chetty had gutted 90% of it.
thestringpuller: the only thing left was the CS gfx stuff which is harder to gut
jurov: lol thestringpuller
shinohai: oh hai jurov, thx for your help I thought I borked something up again xD
jurov: shinohai.. well it's me who is borkt. if you remember me year ago complaining of allergy...this time it's even worse
jurov: oh that stopped working. then desloratadine too
Framedragger: [testing more encoding madness for logs, plz ignore: Вопрос]
Framedragger: (is deedbot no longer relaying new phuctorings?)
Framedragger: my english is not sophisticated enough to mediate a genuine point of curiosity *without* any implied frustration whatsoever
mircea_popescu: "oh but they have all these shesidents in yurp!!!11" "you're not yurp."
Framedragger: (i meant, one shared factor between three places)
mircea_popescu: PeterL sure ; though i think the bureaucrats are flattering themselves. let them try to "eliminate cash" i say.
thestringpuller: PeterL: well airports and trainstations are cash chokepoints right now
thestringpuller: best way to move cash is to put it in lock box, and ship it with a tracking number to wherever you're gonna show up
PeterL: so I was thinking about hawala/wotcoin, would it be reasonable to make some sort of client that eats RSA messages in a sort of [date amount unit RSAkeyIssuer FromRSAkey ToRSAKey] set protocol? each Issuer would have a DB with balances they see, and using WoT could connect multiple issuers?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Imma have to think on that submission
thestringpuller: PeterL: I've already tried in practice. The failpoint is reconciliation.
PeterL: use bitcoin to reconcile?
PeterL: well, like bitcoin but without the blockchain bloat
mircea_popescu: oh, you thin kthat's just there because grues hate you / were bored one day ?
PeterL: reconcile cash by sending bitcoin between people
thestringpuller: PeterL: what do you mean?!?!? Cash doesn't magicall transport itself.
PeterL: I was thinking it could be used to facilitate micropayments, things too small to deserve blockchain space
mircea_popescu: you can pay one satoshi instantly and without blockchain bloat. today. go, do.
PeterL: well, yes, eulora could be one of the nodes in such a network
thestringpuller: yes lets put on our VR headset to send my bff 5 bucks for a beer :D
mircea_popescu: PeterL and this doesn't suggest to you the solution in search of problem angle ?
PeterL: I was just trying to think of a way to standardize between multiple nodes
Framedragger: asciilifeform: multidimensional in what way? simply that it'd have many parameters; or that there'd be many cliques / 'issuers' / whateva?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "i want to send penny wtihout bank" "bitcoin" "oh, without blockchaion, maybe little bank" "use little bank" "no, all these things have the disadvantage that they don't include my 3yo self in a central manner sufficiently"
Framedragger: i recall someone attempting an implementation / spec of this 'everyone has their own currency' thing. just with wot being less central to it, perhaps
Framedragger: which still makes it interesting :) but yeah ok
mircea_popescu: "mechanized" is stupidified, generally. careful with mecanizing stuff for the sake of feeling like you just came out of a us college.
mircea_popescu: it's the feeling of "i've just been indescribably stupid."
mircea_popescu: in fact, mining is included in the gossipd implementation of privacy ; re-read the example given there to phf.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-16 14:04 mircea_popescu: similarily, the ACTUAL order of message, and the presence or absence of "j/k" messages in there can a) never be established beyond reasonable doubt and b) can only be usefully guessed by people. which is to say, well connected, intelligent nodes.
mircea_popescu: yeah, as contemplated in gossipd there is no difficulty. but mining, still exists.
mircea_popescu: ie, what makes my knowledge secure and the third party's knowledge dubious is... the people who i know to mine it \for me.
mircea_popescu: at least on appearances. but now model what someone trying to sybil would be doing.
mircea_popescu: no, he's be using the algo that beat sedol to create as many accounts as his electricity can power, and fuzz everyone out.
mircea_popescu: you understand HOW music changed from music to idiocy, yes ?
mircea_popescu: and how do you distinguish between indiancandy and covertress ?
mircea_popescu: your brain will pick patterns, and now i managed to get a few inside through fuzzing.
mircea_popescu: spam was always point-driven. it's easy to fight the man who wants to steal.
mircea_popescu: yes. but how do you distinguish the one that isn't, from the one that merely appears not to be, from the other 9999 ?
mircea_popescu: well if you won't read and address the points there we'll have to stop here, i'm not restating it.
a111: Logged on 2014-10-16 00:01 asciilifeform: consider ancient scholars like the persian Razi.
mircea_popescu: the thing you do not wish to say, because you do not wish it to be turned to dust under scrutiny, is that razi is either dead, or else depends on sub-razis-1 through n
mircea_popescu: the weakness of this scheme is exactly as described : fuzzing and the binary tree propagates a few through it all the way to you.
mircea_popescu: the discussion is carried from your pov. you observe an endless field of worms. what next ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger people want, sensibly, to reduce the things they worry about. however, they often get confused in between things they could not worry about but have to, and things they can't not worry about but don't have to.
mircea_popescu: this difference is central, and obviously not only elided in school - deliberately buried in school.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason you feed your horse with your own hand, even if you don't have to.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, that's the whole delusion of wot, in the minds of aspiring shamans such as yourself.
mircea_popescu: the reality of the wot is that it provides the tools to make, perhaps, attacks unfeasibly costly. PERHAPS.
mircea_popescu: and this "making attacks costly" is exactly mining, any way you turn it.
mircea_popescu: ie, "you just want to and someone else gotta do the work now"
mircea_popescu: really, you want your source of power to be chats in coffee shops ?
mircea_popescu: fuck that. i been there, done that, it's enough to run a smallish trown and no more.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but with the go algo it's come pretty damned close.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it'd surprise you to find that less than half my harem finds itself in my presence at any given time.
mircea_popescu: new girls can go for years without meeting most of the others ; forget all.
mircea_popescu: prior to the sedol debacle, there was a simple "let's play go" solution to human vs machine
trinque did wonder about the magic which kept many women in close quarters with each other without killing each other
mircea_popescu: and of course, the discussion is carried in terms of go but isn't ABOUT go. it's about "human only tasks"
mircea_popescu: trinque my shit is uniquely confusing. i call them slaves, because it is the proper term. yet they have more personal freedom and general, intellectual and otherwise independence than any "liberated" hear-her-roar-in-english-only.
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes asciilifeform has a point in that penis makes for a fine way to make friends. the thing is that as i near 40, i'd dearly love some alternative method. this thing won't last forever.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the "suffices" thing is all a matter of who's attacking you and why. keeping each other's balances in excel spreadsheets also "Suffices".
mircea_popescu: but the whole fucking point of technology is to broadly open new cunts.
mircea_popescu: and to revisit <asciilifeform> fact is, enemy has not yet devised a means of making faux people at 0cost. : please watch the news sometime.
mircea_popescu: the talking heads are 0cost faux people ; and most of their subject matter, from hussein bahamas down.
mircea_popescu: do you ever count how much of this "i want this not that therefore the facts are so and so" you do in an average day ?
mircea_popescu: "i want my theory to work therefore network anchors aren't people, evidently"
mircea_popescu: oh. well, the same way everything else is done, you match against the structure and increment a counter.
mircea_popescu: the beauty of language is that it allows this sort of analysis.
mircea_popescu: and by language we don't mean dogshit from china/india/the pacific islands and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: the discussion errupted when you wanted to take the engine out of the tractor.
mircea_popescu: quite identical, yes. except for the superficial parts you hate.
mircea_popescu: lol! review the history. the bar in 2016 is "make a bot" ; the bar in 2014 was "get a gpg key".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: are you aware the bar for people getting into eulora now, whom you despise for their inferiority, is EXACTLY EQUAL to the bar of this thing right here, years ago ?
mircea_popescu: and actually ABOVE the bar for its allegible predecessor, bitcoin-otc ?
trinque: well, I took CL so you'll have to in ada.
mircea_popescu: the testament of european-ity, as embodied by the greeks ; and later (1500s!) finally inherited by the italians is simply this :
mircea_popescu: anyway. let it be noted that gorgo is supposed to marry a GOOD man, not just any man. and the definition of goodness is at the very least shared by leonidas, if not outright sourced from him.
☟︎ Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-06#1535099 << (probably on some superficial level) this reminded me of a film i recently watched at airport: "elena" (2011, zvyagintsev). it's a pretty good film (nothing extraordinary), i think, and i recommend it. i don't have a particular intuition but i suspect that elena's relationship to her husband may pique mircea_popescu's interest, and he'd have words about elena
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-09-06 16:37 mircea_popescu: anyway. let it be noted that gorgo is supposed to marry a GOOD man, not just any man. and the definition of goodness is at the very least shared by leonidas, if not outright sourced from him.
mircea_popescu: it's a good yarn, especially for the people nostalgic for the soviet 70s.
mircea_popescu: and it even includes the "strong" female by scriptorial diktat, who otherwise behaves exactly like a little etsy bitch.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know what the "independent business" ideas of the useless twentysomething middle class chick all revolve around selling handmade junk on social media sites ?
mircea_popescu: similar to how all the "online marketeering" derps run businesses consisting of selling "informational products" to themselves ?
mircea_popescu: there is no genuine strong woman in soviet cinematography, except for the occasional bit part playing "nazis".
mircea_popescu: in no small part because strength was rather nazi to the derps ; but nevertheless.
Framedragger: ...but maybe instead of reliability they offer you push notifications to your Android CNC App (tm), and share buttons to social networks?..
Framedragger: heh, yeah. (though, plenty of chinese IoT crap out there, too)
trinque imagines the thing runs wince then
trinque: asciilifeform: ftr yesterday my point was not lets rally around llvm; you'll notice I've been using nothing but sbcl lately.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ahh nice. (and now i recall you mentioning this before - some log memory in mind FINALLY ha)
trinque: not at the stage of reading enough of the compiler to claim mastery
mircea_popescu: in other random news, avunculate marriage, while commended by teh jews, nevertheless is forbidden by the muslims. most of the world follows the latter rather than the former, except argentina, australia an' russia.
trinque: heh, not just allowed but commended?
mircea_popescu: many ancient societies had a serious welfare problem which is :
mircea_popescu: if a) men are the structure and also b) men are not cowardly then necessarily you will end up with desperate female lines.
mircea_popescu: bible is rather explicit on the point that if your brother dies, you're stuck with the widow.
mircea_popescu: this survives as late and far away as in ww2 anglo fictions, such as seen in cinema. dead guy wants his brother [in arms] to go to his gf and "tell her" things.
mircea_popescu: it's not specifically said he should tell them with his penis, but anyway.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-06 16:39 asciilifeform: there is ~unbroken strand of this, almost through ww2.
jhvh1: shinohai: [KJV] Matthew 22:24 :: Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
a111: Logged on 2016-03-12 13:10 mircea_popescu: this shit's becoming ever more arabic isn't it.
mircea_popescu: it's a good heuristic to follow who a man hates, for you're liable to find who he wants to crib without giving credit.
mircea_popescu: the very same's true of "states", whatever that may mean.
mircea_popescu: moreover, and more amusingly : notwithstanding pretenses of equality with russia, put forth on the very ridiculous basis of trying to compare bezzle-gdp of say italy with actual gdp of extractive economy ; the us is altogether not the equal of saudi arabia.
mircea_popescu: the saudis have an actual culture. all the ustards have is a well lubricated hole.
trinque: hm, underscores how damaged anglo/western notions of family are.
trinque: ordered by the president, offensive cyberoperations."
a111: Logged on 2016-09-02 18:21 trinque: asciilifeform: people generate their ssh privkey on the box *to which* they're connecting?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-02 18:41 mircea_popescu: because if we discover that say "thisfunction is used on 64 bits of input of which the first 44 are known" ; then we run the other 20, add the resulting nextprime etc add those into the 8ball and it's goodnight.
mircea_popescu: aaaand in other news, hanbot makes some kickass encilladas.
mircea_popescu: somebody should wipe some harddrives / deface some corporate sites so there's something here to qntra
mircea_popescu: (feel free to drop a pgpgram when done, of course, i "won't be able to prove it's mine" etc.)
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : when nixon and rockefeller were negotiating the treaty of fifth avenue, nixon's / gop's "platform committee" was in a hotel in chicago. they were on the phone for four hours ; but midway, as midnight came by, THE HOTEL OPERATOR PULLED THE PLUG AND WENT HOME.
mircea_popescu: (in case anyone is curious where this nonsense starts, see eg point 2 of the "basic, specific positions" : "2. The vital need of our foreign policy is new political creativity—leading and inspiring the formation, in all great regions of the free world, of confederations, large enough and strong enough to meet modern problems and challenges. We should promptly lead toward the formation of such confederations in the North Atl
mircea_popescu: oh "anyone can detect 0cost people". really ? who detected nadia chick doesn't actually exist irl ?
mircea_popescu: "oh coincidentally, this name that keeps being dredged up by usg assets as supposed primary source ; which never EVER checks out"
mircea_popescu: this is what, the... 5th ? case where "she reported" things she never reported ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-05 14:52 deedbot: Framedragger rated scriba 3 << An instance of a bot I wrote and manage. I trust it with log history, but if it becomes sentient and starts asking for money, do beware.
trinque: !!rate scriba 1 Framedraggerbot
trinque: !!v 9BB4FF83E23F40AC43098DAF7360600C8099645A25F7CA13771988D9FCA12A56
deedbot: trinque rated scriba 1 << Framedraggerbot
scriba: Logged on 2016-08-30: [1/5] [23:40:33] <Framedragger> echo 'Вопрос' | iconv -t cp1251 | iconv -f koi8-r
scriba: [2/5] [23:40:41] <Framedragger> "koi8-r" ?
scriba: [3/5] [23:41:07] <Framedragger> aha, "issue", encoded in some grotesque way
scriba: [4/5] [23:41:26] <mircea_popescu> yeah
scriba: [5/5] [23:42:13] <Framedragger> КПРФ -> йопт HAHAHA
Framedragger: process managed by upstart, will restart if needed etc. let's see if it pisses people off :p
trinque: the numbering at the front is probably unnecessary.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-06: [00:00:01] <asciilifeform> again who the fuck needs a rustbucket that costs a dollar per metre to move??!
Framedragger: right, off to watch film, will monitor things.
mircea_popescu: !!v 724D09772202F2F5E15334DB6031186C230D767D5272FEB4EFFFCBFC6F55D4CD
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated scriba 1 << Framedragger 's bot
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-06: [19:34:58] <asciilifeform> A T E N C A O
mod6: so yesterdays discussion got me thinking about a lisp machine (lisp-cpu) with verilog on a fpga
mod6: there are some projects out there seems like, in this vein.
mod6: alf, you ever attempt anything like this?
a111: Logged on 2016-04-22 01:47 asciilifeform: i actually spent the first ~6 mo. after i bought the lisp machine, trying to rig up, with fpga, a mechanism to read the fucking disk
trinque: ^ was an endeavor to bolt modern disk to the thing iirc
mod6: yeah, im not super clear on the whole thing.
mod6: so forget that maybe.. just wondering if anyone has tried this before?
mircea_popescu: if someone made a fpga-based clone of the symbolics machine that'd prolly get a bunch of people to wet their pants.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it doesn't HAVE to use sdram though does it.
trinque: all roads lead to make 50 billion dollars, then cry as alf says it's not enough
☟︎ mod6: yeah, alright, i'll take a look.
trinque: asciilifeform: looks like you've been doing marketing for a non-existent networking gear company all day
mircea_popescu: Alliance Memory AS6C8008-55ZIN SRAM Memory, 8Mbit, 2.7 → 5.5 V, 55ns 44-Pin TSOP << available from ~$5 for orders over 2k.
trinque: there's really no arguing for going up the stairs is there
mircea_popescu: sure. but the idea here is to build an upgraded symbolics machine ; not to build a competitor for current intel offerings.
mircea_popescu: yes ? nature lives with half second seeks for some data transfer applications.
mircea_popescu: i dunno who authorized this approach of "try to symbolics-clone ibm at" ; but it wasn't me.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: There were no matching configuration variables.
mircea_popescu: there is a clear market in high assurance hardware to do things such as signing, encrypting and bitcoin payments where time is not a concern.
mircea_popescu: life lesson here for you alf : you start, anything, by doing what it does well. NOT by trying and failing to do what other things do well.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why the fuck this error is so common, but it dominates anglosphere. "white knight" = dude who is trying not to be a good dude, but to be the best chick he could possibly be.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck ? no chick wants a gf ; esp not a shitty emulation in male hardware.
mircea_popescu: i literally do not care if preparing the signed copies of warrants for s.mg takes a minute or a month.
mircea_popescu: if i know they take a month i just start a month early.
mircea_popescu: we';re not discussing 6052 here. stop moving things around.
mircea_popescu: it was either horrible example made by dysfunctional brain ; or else deliberate attemt to spoke conversation wheel.
mircea_popescu: we're discussing here, modern clone of symbolics machine, or a similar item.
mircea_popescu: yes, but a z80 clone chip is no sort of fpga forcrying out loud.
mircea_popescu: so - yes, there'd be applications where time isn't the criterion.