phf: "skilled and talented chosen over ny times writers and editors, is this the beginning of fashism?"
BingoBoingo: The pete_dushenski anals of 2016 are detailed, but prolly missing something. 2016 seems to be banner year for republic.
mircea_popescu: kinda been going like that, 2015 > 2014 then 2016 > 2015
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: seen any of the hbo show 'westworld'?
mircea_popescu: i've watched about a half hour of tv total since seinfeld.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck is va' fa'n culo spelled as one word with a double f ? cosi fan' tutte is not cosiffantutte ?
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mircea_popescu: ^ subject of some discussion, he didn't come up with it.
walter__: reading logs I found some mentions of exactly "2005" thinkpads but cannot see why
walter__: those are X32 and X41 according to thinkwiki
mircea_popescu: walter__ the 2005 was just a reference to something i mentioned, iirc in a discussion with asciilifeform ; it's not an exact date (fwiw i use ts etc). but the idea is - a laptop which runs with no binaries whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: which turns out to be a much higher bar than the general population realises, and experimentally reduces to the various thinkpads of the end of ibm / start of lenovo era.
mircea_popescu: famously rms claims to have been using one ; which claim was meanwhile experimentally falsified here.
walter__: if it's about Libreboot then the "last one" is X200 of 2008
walter__: although according to asciilifeform Libreboot can burn the machine
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's what "2005" means in this context, "when lenovo got the brand".
walter__: my other guess was the idea was to hunt the last machine with a CPU without microcode updates
walter__: but that would be going even further back in history
walter__: considering the horrible situation with x86 laptops I wonder if Asus C201 (again from the Libreboot compatibility list) is "the cure"
walter__: PGP? Where does one 'register'?
mircea_popescu: may want to de-__ your name first if you actually own "walter"
walter__: I don't. Too late to freenode short names party
mircea_popescu: also in which vein, see the discussion re busybox and the complete trb machine tmsr created for deployment on pogos (and the whole discussion with pogos) ; also perhaps of interest the failure to create a useful gentoo and so forth.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: we really should systematize the "box verification" thing, with a view to actually certify hardware configurations.
mircea_popescu: afaik the pogo is to date the only tmsr-certified digital computer.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> why the fuck is va' fa'n culo spelled as one word with a double f ? cosi fan' tutte is not cosiffantutte ? << ty fxd
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walter: mindread :). Thanks for the links, I'll dig the logs for the topics
mircea_popescu: check it out, you weren't late to the party after all ?
walter: no, 'walter' is registered. I need to come up with a sane available nick
walter: and then somehow to generate a key _properly_
BingoBoingo: Freenode isn't deterministic enough to have a "normal" way of doing anything.
mircea_popescu: in which vein, /me watched a half hour of something last night, because i tried to do a christina applegate retrospective. holy shit that girl has been in all the shitty snl derivative crap. how do these idiots even live, how do they get out of bed ? that ben affleck imbecile, he's like baudoinia, blackening the walls of anywhere alcohol is customarily found. unfunny as cancer, stupid as broken shoelaces, ubiquitous as a sac
mircea_popescu: total fucking casual-boner-archy that thing, and utterly unwatchable. i used to mock romanians a decade ago as "o populatie cu mize mici" ie, a population with low stakes. but lawds have mercy, the hopes, aspirations, projects and projections of the contemporaneous ustard (stanford grad & waitress-journaho) barely cover a used bottlecap.
mircea_popescu: (alf would have liked this one, the rats live so closely packed they have cultural constructs re intramural participation in sexual congress - the woman is offended but subverts it as normalcy. OF FUCKING COURSE the "next door neighbour" would play music to go with our intimate discussions. this is soviet america and the walls are thin!)
mircea_popescu: well after wasting a coupla hours off everyone, it finally went away.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at first it looked like possibly a stack smash somewhere in there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you care hurley removed that cca 2015.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-05 13:54 walter__: phf, what's special about 2005 ThinkPads?
walter: I mean the leaked bios source
mircea_popescu: anyway ; what i linked above is a period scrape of the original website (the way this leak worked was the whole pile was found on a poorly secured taiwan server of jetway) ; the mmnt.net site generally has all sorts of useful things.
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walter: if the source was distributed to various manufacturers then there are so many possible leak channels
a111: Logged on 2016-12-05 14:24 mircea_popescu: also in which vein, see the discussion re busybox and the complete trb machine tmsr created for deployment on pogos (and the whole discussion with pogos) ; also perhaps of interest the failure to create a useful gentoo and so forth.
walter: by 'linuxbios' sans blobs you mean Libreboot or something else?
mircea_popescu: though with the whole "transsexual" derpage, i dunno how much anyone cares.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're telling me ? i was in the phuctor team that found weak ssh keys back in my youth!
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577731 << also 2005 (if you search the logs knowing what you're looking for) is a stand in for "decade of tail end of somewhat sane computing". linux on desktop hasn't wrecked the ecosystem yet, apple is selling unix boxes (and not phones), ibm is selling professional laptops, no reddit, no smartphone culture, no facebook, etc.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-05 13:54 walter__: phf, what's special about 2005 ThinkPads?
mircea_popescu: you're right huh. i guess my russian is a little... approximative.
phf: was also sort of a lul after adjustment and recovery from the eternal september, i.e. aol of '96 and yahoo of '99. i think we are now in the aftermath of the second wave of the eternal september
phf: which happened when people born close or on 1990 became sufficiently aware to start wrecking havoc around 2015 or so, outside of their 2005 ghettos (like myspace, etc.)
mircea_popescu: meh. this whole thing looks like it was gutted meanwhile.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am pretty sure that the one actually had cache and the other had more than a dozen items last i looked. but that was a while ago.
walter: btw thanks for the ami.rar. The hash matches, although it hangs my unpacker. Looking.
mircea_popescu: also could we use gz like sane people and wtf is this rar bs.
mircea_popescu: yes i know scene friendly, but rar was a fucking stupid idea even in oslo 1990.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-05 12:52 mircea_popescu: in other news/lulz,
http://www.lincolnks.org/Housing.html << apparently a lot of places in kansas and around kansas that have this free housing plots giveaway thing
walter: so what is 'coreboot' sans blobs, if not Libreboot? Any competing projects?
walter: em.. sorry? A working kitchen sink?
mircea_popescu: walter the scheme here proposed is that a project (linuxbios) which was useful on account of actually having drivers for extant hardware was killed by hardware maker conspiracy. on its now useless ruins, as it's dead, an idiot with a "sexual identity" political agenda tried to build a grassroot activism thing called libreboot ; and some unrelated packrats with a penchant for software try to build a cluttered warehouse called
mircea_popescu: none of the three items are functional for the stated reasons.
walter: thanks for explainig. So it's even worse than I thought.
walter: pcengines! Seen one box personally
mircea_popescu would pay for an apu2 board to be destroyed if anyone wants to drill the fritz and report what happens.
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mircea_popescu: incidentally, some sort of resonator "drill" bit for cpus would be good to have
mircea_popescu: yes but the laws of the universe guarantee this can not be done well.
mircea_popescu: whether it can be done well enough is another matter of course.
walter: fchipsource@outlook.com looks promising
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 11:46 jurov: ben_vulpes what is that? You were dumping /dev/random for 48 days straight and got only 8MB data?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 05:39 mircea_popescu:
http://www.niquette.com/books/sophmag/bourke.htm << for the engine-vs-thermodynamics afficionados. you surely heard of the famous bourke engine (2 two-stokes placed in a cross, with a double scottish yoke driving the shaft).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha, linked for historical lulz. nice description of how that went.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-04 06:08 mircea_popescu: the odd truth is that electric engines are much better at small and high loads. the combustion engine has it's niche, but it's strictly car sized.
mircea_popescu: incidentally in physics calorimetry experiments are notorious for this "one crazy datapoint" presentation of experimental data ; so much so that ro unis taught defensive experimental physics skills on calorimetry.
mircea_popescu: which illustrates the fundamental problem with "self taught" or otherwise ignorant practitioners - every single fucking kid with an undegraduate degree from ro would have told the idiots that "oh, calorimetry ? and you got an outlier ? lolzk."
mircea_popescu: but they... they went to utah or w/e the fuck, and so never actually went to school,
mircea_popescu: and so never actually got this passive "common trunk" "common sense" sort of knowledge about their chosen profession.
a111: Logged on 2015-07-05 23:53 asciilifeform: or that other thread, which i can't seem to find, where we spoke of how 'maths wot is not essential for being published, but for even having publishable ideas instead of burning your life on fibonacci sequences or some other solved/irrelevant dead end'
mircea_popescu: or in the original greek, ὦ νέοι, ~ἀλλὰ μάχεσθε~ παρ’ ἀλλήλοισι μένοντες,
mircea_popescu: alliloisi fucking menontes, there's passive strength in the formation.
mircea_popescu: the calorimeter incidentally is a fine illustration / symbol of science altogether.
mircea_popescu: (and no - there are no whore exceptions. anyone involved in "open source" etc is a whore.)
mircea_popescu: apparently nobody knows key people/history for cadsoft computer gmbh
phf: (cadsoft used to make EAGLE, which is sort of a goto cad tool for people on linux)
phf: same, though i was told by experienced cad people "autorouting is trash" early on, but soon discovered that they mean "for the purposes of my giant multiboard layout" not "everything that you'll be touching for the next 10 years of your learning"
mircea_popescu: autoruting beats hand routing much like google beats sedol.
mircea_popescu: because it is A LOT of work for something everyone decided is "a small matter" in advance.
mircea_popescu: because that's a key ingredient of "i just want to" - deciding various arbitrary bits (especially ones the jwz doesn't well understand) are "small matter". which decision then drives poor resource allocation and is the deep reason for the festering morass of unsolved problems that should have been ; while tons of herbivores run around "revolutionizing" things that needn't on the shaky in reality but strong in perception found
mircea_popescu: ation of you know... all the "Solved problems" that aren't.
phf: asciilifeform: i thought maybe the design was some historic artifact, but no, none of the cads i looked at (including fucking cmu's NS, which is probably first or second cad in existence) had that split.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so you know, "autorouting" is "a small matter" and "a solved problem" except in reality it's exactly something to be solved via "artificial intelligence" as understood today, ie, mega-matrix of mostly 0 parameter running a markov process.
mircea_popescu: anyway - certainly a very valid place for any spinoza in attendance to apply his next years.
mircea_popescu: fror bonus points - steal google's go playing ai and modify it. the problem of routing is grid-discretizable.
mircea_popescu: be that as it may, the conceptual item solves two major open questions here in tmsr forum : a) "why is this proggy 100mb ?!?" "because it has 100mn datapoints in the ai massager, let it be" ; b) "why does this proggy want to call home ?" "because whenever you accept a design and put it in production, all other installations want to review the datapoint, it's valuable."
mircea_popescu: the problem of pcb routing will be solved by cow brains in jars or your own brain in jars. pick.
mircea_popescu: if it were satisfaction you wouldn't bitch now woudl you.
mircea_popescu: anyway. management considers the solution available no sort of solution.
mircea_popescu: ie, how much and what kind of violonist is involved in the hardware making of future.
phf: also depends if we're still putting out massive interdependent designs, as opposed to some modular architectures like greenarrays or scheme81 or
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not a matter of "won't run". your gf runs in the bedroom just as well as woman runs in gangbang party.
phf: erc also parses the url incorrectly, but ' is a valid character in url..
mircea_popescu: anyway at some point drop the link to the actual yosefk article you wanted to reference asciilifeform .
phf: i believe that was around the time i started reading asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: fwiw, while ' may be valid, trilema's title-to-url parser helpfully nukes it.
mircea_popescu: (or in other words - the notion that unicode invented shitsoup is nonsense ; we had idiots before we had water pistol glyphs)
mircea_popescu: and btw, today was an epic log day. everyone's in great form apparently. monday people.
mircea_popescu: you skipped the good part, which is : "If you are indeed a chip maker, this is when you find out why fabless chip companies are worth so much more than the equally fabless vendors of "IPs" such as CPUs and DRAM controllers.".
mircea_popescu: the probnlem of pricing in technology is indeed large.
mircea_popescu: nor is it clear that without the konsoomer the field would be asciilifeform-accessible anymore than hillary's hairy snatch or the satellite launching programme.
mircea_popescu: not so. it couldn't exist IN THAT STUPID CULTURE. but in better culture, kvas.
mircea_popescu: and this is broadly the point - to transition to better culture.
mircea_popescu: it could be cpu costs a dime or a testicle, the issue of price is ulterior in this discussion, makes about as much sense as "the utilty of the sun"
mircea_popescu: sun preexists any definition of utility. yes shorthand, but shorthand for nonsense.
mircea_popescu: if you change the culture, none of your symbols in there are meaningful anymore.
mircea_popescu: in the english world, where drunks and pubs exist, and the observation re pubs existing because drunks, not because sunday drinkers holds, there are a number of objects defined, such as the fact that a pub is really a public house (which is relevant if for instance you wonder why it should need or want a permit to exist).
mircea_popescu: in the russian world, where drunks do exist, but the drinking place (which is NOT a pub, even if translated as such because what you gonna do) is supported by a social conventionthat has nothing to do with drunkedness
mircea_popescu: the removal of drunks doesn't have anything to do whatsoever with "pubs" and also "a drunk" is not the same drunk.
mircea_popescu: so : if you change the convention, your objects become undefined. what's "a processor" ?
mircea_popescu: "the place where you drink" or "the public house" aka "brothel", ie, the place where disorderly (as per anglican/puritan definitions of order) is tolerated, ie, a tolerance house ?
mircea_popescu: importantly, one that can't be factored with the other one.
mircea_popescu has been on a "pricing in tech" mental kick for the past half hour, so i was looking at that angle.
mircea_popescu: i mean i've been toying with it in pieces such as "what's the tmsr gdp", which is very much exactly the same thing as discussion here, but anwyay.
mircea_popescu: (vaguely related, mp's grandmother once recounted the observation of one of her highschool classmates, who pointed out that they (the girls in school) should be more respectful of the prostitutes, because if it weren't for them (the prostitutes) none of them (the girls, in school) would be (girls, in school)."
mircea_popescu: this very neatly mirrors the pub, drunks observation, and for very much the same reason. the driver's the same oppressive attitude upstream.
mircea_popescu: and now, on the thread of this analytic approach, i may present the theory that the problem aren't the idiot consumers, but very specific opression of the english sort upstream.
mircea_popescu: ie, "intellectual property", or a misplaced expectation of control.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: once there's a "king", in the english tradition, who can do patently idiotic stuff such as require "bonded warehouses" (look it up) and "control trade" (please, do look it up) then "property" of a sort emerges. by contrast, in dutch world, where no such king and no such layered idiocy thereby, also property. but substantially different property.
mircea_popescu: it can then be said that what exactly " brave Landeskinder sein" means is chiefly driven by what/who is "mein König und Held".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the dutch demolished the english.
mircea_popescu: (but there is also the case of the dutch raid when they literally burned down london - except in a strange case of premonitory japanese misbehaviour, failed to bomb the right thing. this is in the logs.)
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the point remains - it could be argued the actual driver for currently perceptible idiocy is not sin (ie, redditards, 1993 aol, etc) but apostasy (ie, "ip", british notions of what the crown may do to commerce, etc)
mircea_popescu: i dunno how familiar the reader is with early us colonial history - but the british uniquely pretended that all trade must go through british warehouses. in london. they kept laoding and unloading things. so they can be taxed. exactly like the notion that an imaginary "right" of someone to something may require me to do specific things. ie, the fritz chip.
mircea_popescu: the whole perceptible structure of perceived reality, actually.
mircea_popescu: the simple notion that i shall read the string X as /y" rather than /z" because the entity labeled X "knows how their name is spelled", for instance, is exactly of the nature of "you must include X in your item because Y law" ; or of the "sexual harassment" ; or of ALL OTHER THINGS.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is not, because incredibly enough the french actually don't have these problems (but others)
mircea_popescu: seems on the balance of things more likely to be fallout from the haphazard "quick, create an ideology to back up this dude's wan to get a new hussy"
mircea_popescu: (it should be pointed out the french blackened many times before)
mircea_popescu: anyway, when i say "don't have these problems but others" i specifically mean as evident in sexual behaviour (cue that "scandal" when sarkozy took some random woman to random event and the london-based journo-hos had a collective aneurism and kept blathering about how they'll bus supporters over)
mircea_popescu: the dutch-british comparison is actually very apt and very instructive. two samples : at the time of their war with the united provinces, the dutch could outproduce the british about 6:1 ; at the time the tulip craze blew up, dutch courts told all aplicants "sfyl" quite literally.
mircea_popescu: ie, alligned with tmsr and generally righteousness ; rather than the "equitable" imperial idiocy then embodied in the brits.
mircea_popescu: people preferred the indonesian whores to the iroquis whores.
mircea_popescu also doesn't think the bovine new world female, with the big face, ugly fat lips and tiny eyes is particularly attractive.
mircea_popescu: to insanely stretch comparison : it could be said the sovereign prince of orange was a sort of stalin to dewitt's lenin. yes, both soviets, but not very equal soviets - one somewhat cooler than the other ; and so the brits picked the one which was closest to their capacities and aspirations, which is to say the uncool one ; and similarly the products of the dutch republic split their energy - the shittier ones went to new yor
mircea_popescu: k and the rest to malacca. hence ~dutch~ east indies and british north america.
mircea_popescu: undefensible in its parts, this holds in summary a lot better than anyone'd expect.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi who would be idiotic enough to use "country" domains like .uk (afaik you can't even do that, gotta get subdomaons off their holy site "co") or .ro etc.
mircea_popescu: what's next, support for national chicken scribblings ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-05 16:04 asciilifeform: the folx who got 100MB/sec from /dev/random were the mac people, and it leads me to suspect that theirs is in fact == to /dev/urandom
pete_dushenski:
http://archive.is/IdkiM << in other intel wonders, the reason your 'uberfast intuhnet' is laggy is becuase of 'high-priority maintenance tasks hogging the processor, causing latency to increase by at least 200ms' in the puma 6 (atom x86) equipped boxes, eg. Arris Surfboard SB6190, Hitron CGNV4, and Compal CH7465-LG
shinohai: !~later tell mod6 Start Height a success, will report results with African and further key imports later
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski:
http://archive.is/vT63P << other other from same : "Microsoft is working on a patch for a bug or feature in Windows 10 that allowed access to the command line and, using a live Linux .ISO, made it possible steal BitLocker keys during OS updates. The command line interface bypasses BitLocker and permits access to local drives simply by tapping the Shift and F10 keys."
pete_dushenski: so it was an unseasonably balmy 0C here on saturday and now it feels like... -27C with wind and humidity. this is a Good Thing. feels more like xmas time when bundled up, drinking tea by the fire, shoveling walks, or driving slowly through the ice and snow.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-28 20:37 asciilifeform: history post-rome requires --- horrors! --- languages
mircea_popescu: !~calc 2846 * 210 * 4.31 * 1.8 + 7559 * 10 * 4.31 * 2 + 1000 * 4.31 * 5
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 2846 * 210 * 4.31 * 1.8 + 7559 * 10 * 4.31 * 2 + 1000 * 4.31 * 5 = 5309782.079999999
mircea_popescu: !~calc 2846 * 180 * 4.31 * 2.1 + 7559 * 10 * 4.31 * 2 + 1000 * 4.31 * 5
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 2846 * 180 * 4.31 * 2.1 + 7559 * 10 * 4.31 * 2 + 1000 * 4.31 * 5 = 5309782.08
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so the tor enthusiasts will buy fuckgoats.
shinohai: Sure I expect with that ~$6 price it has dropped to today has something to do with it