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asciilifeform: https://archive.org/details/baronandfemeatr00unkngoog << subj ?
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: terrible ocr
mircea_popescu: well so get the item itself.
asciilifeform: it is probably here in the house somewhere.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the concept of "nothing to allcomers" logically extends to property on one hand ; the notion of holding property outside of a proper signature is utterly nonsensical on the other hand. however you look at things, a reversal of "progressive" innovation in legal matters is unavoidable.
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
mircea_popescu: it's not just "the right to vote" that goes away upon review and limitation of the franchise. derps simply can't hold property, whether they be "the government of the united states" or "jane doe".
asciilifeform: word 'hold' ~means~ something.
asciilifeform: i.e. the buttons are connected.
asciilifeform: loonybin napoleons hold 0 thrones.
asciilifeform: and if joe can disconnect doe's buttons, they are joe's, not doe's.
mircea_popescu: mno. conversion, such as through theft, or mere possession, give no title in either law or equity.
mircea_popescu: the thief doesn't own what he "holds"
asciilifeform: if you convert the army and navy - let someone disagree
mircea_popescu: i disagree.
asciilifeform: and sure, 'army and navy' is not a complete picture, it is possible to disagree a la hassan i sabbah, or mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: vaguely on subject - it is commonly supposed by n00bz that 'launch codes'-style absolute-yet-titleless property holding is a new, bitcoiny thing. but it is nothing of the kind, pirates did it.
asciilifeform: plenty took 'brainwallet' to the gallows.
mircea_popescu: in general title, and the concept of law, is an instrument of monarchy directed against the peerage.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: ie, "we don't need lords - here's robotic replacement our bureaucrats devised"
asciilifeform: the idiot english celebrate what, remember
asciilifeform: 'magna carta'
asciilifeform: which was precisely it
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, a comprehensive counter-imperial offensive will include measures meaningful to it, in its own terms.
mircea_popescu: de-titling of the kulaks, as it were. nobody may hold title to any property, nor be entitled to equitable redress of any claim, unless they are a person, as this is defined.
asciilifeform: !#s no rights for wights
a111: 0 results for "no rights for wights", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=no%20rights%20for%20wights
asciilifeform: hm.
asciilifeform: it must've been on trilema.
phf: hmm, that's an idea
mircea_popescu: in short, to codify years of extand practice, the "how to participate in the affairs" actually has a lot of bite. one who isn't a citizen has no rights. his complaints have no standing, whatever their content ; and no redress is available.
asciilifeform: if chair wants to be spoken for, it has to find a sitter and make him happy.
asciilifeform: otherwise goes to where the other junk furniture goes.
asciilifeform: unrelatedly,
asciilifeform: does anyone know of a remaining maker of nic chipsets other than intel, broadcom, and realtek ?
asciilifeform: (usb dongles not counting)
mircea_popescu: there were some korean etc
asciilifeform: who
asciilifeform: names plox
asciilifeform: and places where it can be had.
mircea_popescu: a minute.
asciilifeform: pci/pcie/minipci.
phf: qualcomm?
asciilifeform: gigabit only
asciilifeform: plox
asciilifeform: phf: afaik qualcomm doesn't make WIRED nics
phf: i think are behind the "Killer" brand
mircea_popescu: 3com ; nvidia apparently makes them too ; something called marvell
asciilifeform: marvell makes the pogo system-on-chip
asciilifeform: afaik no standalones.
asciilifeform: killed does not appear to feature on a standalone board either
asciilifeform: though if anyone turns one up, please link.
asciilifeform: same seems to be true of nvidia (only available in their southbridge ??)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently most usb dongles use something called asix for a chipset
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a number of them
asciilifeform: but they are ~worthless for serious use
mircea_popescu: there's also adm8515 from "davicom" apparently still in production
asciilifeform: (excruciating bottleneck)
asciilifeform: again no usb plox, they are rubbish.
mircea_popescu: myeah
mircea_popescu: there's also a rosewill
mircea_popescu: https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-1000Mbps-Network-Adapter-RC-400-LX/dp/B004F3CO5M << 8 bux. prolly cheapest. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i dun think they make the chipset
asciilifeform: gotta find out who does...
mircea_popescu: most of these seem to buy bulk korean parts.
asciilifeform: i meant, what is physically on the rosewill board.
asciilifeform: they're a 'whitelabel'
mircea_popescu: yeah. and i meant, "probably a realtek clone made in south korea".
asciilifeform: possibly.
asciilifeform: https://www.pericom.com
asciilifeform: ^ is who.
asciilifeform: with realtek PHYs. e.g., http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166096
asciilifeform: (see photo close-up)
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: or hah, no
asciilifeform: pericom only makes the pci bridge in these
asciilifeform: they use realtek lock stock and barrel.
asciilifeform: this leaves me exactly where i was when i did this survey last year, and the year before, and...
asciilifeform: there are 3 makers of gbE nics you can buy as cards (vs mobo southbridge integrated, or SOC a la pogo)
asciilifeform: realtek, broadcom, intel.
asciilifeform: the last 2 are wholly-owned usg thralls, while realtek is taiwanese and famous for, e.g., 'losing' signing certs later used in stuxnet, etc.
mircea_popescu: "independents" all appear to be varying degrees of "serials filed off" ; mostly realtek's
asciilifeform: dun look like they even bothered with 'filing off'
asciilifeform: i've been trying and failing to locate an in-production gbE card with something other than these 3 on it, and failed.
asciilifeform: (the other thing realtek is famous for is... having very peculiar definition of 'working chip', see e.g., https://archive.is/uvOwZ )
asciilifeform: also wtf mircea_popescu , 3com's been dead for eons
mircea_popescu: eh ?
asciilifeform: it was bought by hp in, iirc, 2010.
mircea_popescu: nah. iirc some apple schmuck transitioned to it.
asciilifeform: !!google 3com
deedbot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3Com << 3Com - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://www.hpe.com/us/en/networking.html << Networking - Enterprise Wired, Wireless & Data Center Solutions ... | http://www.l-3com.com/ << L-3 Communications |
mircea_popescu: now i gotta read wikipedia ?
asciilifeform: nfi where
asciilifeform: http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-news/press-release.html?id=342187#.V-Mul2QrL5s
asciilifeform: April 12, 2010 'PALO ALTO, Calif. -- HP today announced it has completed its acquisition of 3Com Corporation at a price of $7.90 per share in cash or an enterprise value of approximately $2.7 billion.'
mircea_popescu: o hey check that out, they did close shop.
asciilifeform: apparently there is a 4th co
asciilifeform: 'tehuti'
mircea_popescu: still. you can buy 10/100 nics for 50 cents a pop.
asciilifeform: which ~nobody ever heard of.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was specifically NOT asking after junkyard iron.
asciilifeform: i know where to find it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform alright. has its advantages.
asciilifeform: has numerous advantages, and i run own humble household on it. but q was re moderns.
asciilifeform: ah 'tehuti' is obscure because 10G.
asciilifeform: luxury.
asciilifeform: anyway, log readerz, if i missed anybody - please write in.
asciilifeform: i will add, for completeness, that 'silicon labs' and 'texas instruments' offer gbE controllers, but only as chip - not, afaik, packaged on pci/pcie by anyone.
asciilifeform: silicon labs is a ~fabless~ american co.
asciilifeform: who makes its line physically - i do not know.
phf: meaning they print in china?
phf: ah
asciilifeform: phf: almost certainly taiwan
asciilifeform: 'BroodMinder: Smart, Affordable Telemetry for Beekeeping' << lolk.
asciilifeform: sooooo, three, three, three nicmusketeeers, all muppets of guess who.
asciilifeform: sitting in ~every large server of whatever consequence.
asciilifeform: all dma-enabled (because pc arch doesn't actually offer any other way to move Gb/sec)
asciilifeform: this last detail i hope is not news to anyone.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: earlier i think you were thinking of 'pa semi'
asciilifeform: who were another gBe maker, bought by crapple and annihilated in '08.
asciilifeform: (fabless. i have nfi where their chip was physically made.)
asciilifeform: situation re gbE nics is quite reminiscent of american consumer banks.
asciilifeform: ask a street schmuck and he will say 'there are hundreds'
asciilifeform: when actual number, not counting the fed, is 3.
asciilifeform: and all 3 owned by His Reptilian Majesty.
asciilifeform: ooooh found another corpse
asciilifeform: 'alteon'
asciilifeform: made gBe. dead '09.
asciilifeform: (bought by 3com !)
asciilifeform: turns out they were rounded up just like the banks.
asciilifeform if nobody figured it out, was going through /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/ethernet simply ... asking 'gbE? alive?' for each item therein.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1546731 << that's a realtek, you can spot the crab logo with naked eye. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-22 00:53 mircea_popescu: https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-1000Mbps-Network-Adapter-RC-400-LX/dp/B004F3CO5M << 8 bux. prolly cheapest.
asciilifeform: aaaaand on slightly related subj, whatever happened to https://archive.is/y2cFi ?
asciilifeform: ^ dude who found what was probably loose end of intel's implementation of 'magic usg packet'
asciilifeform: reliably hard-wedged the nic, regardless of what os was running, or if any
asciilifeform: http://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-ethernet-controller-vulnerable-to-packet-of-death << etc
asciilifeform: sorta popped up, and then quietly unhappened.
asciilifeform: (elsewhere) 'The network card crashed whenever the value 0x32 or 0x33 was found at offset 0x47f. Kristian first noticed this happening for specific SIP packets, but in the end, it turned out that any packet with 0x32 at 0x47f caused the crash. Intel traced the problem to an EEPROM used in this specific card (82574L). There are some links in the comment to the blog suggesting that others have run into this problem before. For example,
asciilifeform: the commend: "ping -p 32 -s 1110 x.x.x.x" can crash an affected card remotely.'
asciilifeform: http://www.kriskinc.com/intel-pod << exact recipe.
asciilifeform: http://blog.zorinaq.com/live-demonstration-of-intel-packet-of-death << also great. www-based 'death packet' sender.
asciilifeform: (come to think of it, mircea_popescu , what nic was in the original dulap..?)
asciilifeform: https://communities.intel.com/community/wired/blog/2013/02/07/intel-82574l-gigabit-ethernet-controller-statement ( https://archive.is/hdPrn ) << intel's official response. pure gold.
asciilifeform: 'It is Intel’s belief that this is an implementation issue isolated to a specific manufacturer, not a design problem with the Intel 82574L Gigabit Ethernet controller. Intel has not observed this issue with any implementations which follow Intel’s published design guidelines. Intel recommends contacting your motherboard manufacturer ...'
mircea_popescu: i have nfi
ben_vulpes: jeebus
BingoBoingo: lol GNOME GuPNP is a thing
ben_vulpes: > elegant, object-oriented open source framework
ben_vulpes: > written in C using GObject and libsoup
ben_vulpes: but what about GnuKitchenSink?!!?1
BingoBoingo: Requires JackBoot firmware to load
ben_vulpes: ZhaneBoot you cishetshitlord
BingoBoingo would settle for WorkBoot
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/libertarian-new-hampshire-forces-altcoin-exchange-out/ << Qntra - "Libertarian" New Hampshire Forces Altcoin Exchange Out
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, phf: i'm giving up on variable length binary-types for now. my personal pons asinorum for this library is the task of defining either a type or a class whose value could be either u8, u16, u32 or u64, plus the headaches of entirely arbitrary-length scripts.
ben_vulpes: worked swimmingly for the headers, though!
BingoBoingo still suggests move to Baudot encoding
Framedragger: https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20160922.txt
mircea_popescu: incidentally Framedragger , how about a survey of response to intel's magic byte ?
mircea_popescu: you have a reasonably fresh list of respondent boxes, feed them 0x32 at offset 0x47f then poll in 5 and 500 seconds see if they're up. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: one of those "not going to find anything" things that experience shows would make a fine first article on your putative blog.
Framedragger: oh! "catching up on logs" is an important thing indeed. you mean http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#139 - wowza.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [01:48:02] <asciilifeform> http://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-ethernet-controller-vulnerable-to-packet-of-death << etc
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: absolutely - will do! though, those 22mil boxes have ssh running on them; there's prob a semi-quick way to get a broader "is it generally online" list, too. but, gotta start somewhere
Framedragger: i'll prolly do this and make use of vc's cockbox. his /dev/null attitude to abuuuuze complaints is appreciated.
Framedragger: hmm, gotta script this carefully. prolly not gonna be today. but will try and do this.
mircea_popescu: what's the rush you know.
Framedragger: (i mean, polling and re-polling later to check status etc)
Framedragger: probably coffee in my mind
mircea_popescu: by now it's a 5 year old thing, if they were gonna do something about it they've had done by now. ☟︎
Framedragger: actually, half the time you're probably speaking to an overcaffeinated framedragger
Framedragger: yeah for a sec i thought this was new. but totally should be done
mircea_popescu: the deep point here being that this is a fundamental property of usgian "ghidusii" : the long tail of straggling losers.
Framedragger: would be great to have a nosuchlabs observatory lab, with results exposed over sql or w/e, as discussed
Framedragger: but i guess that's what's effectively happening anyway :)
Framedragger: eventually metasploit the whole damn /0, etc
mircea_popescu: heh
Framedragger: btw regarding "there is no sane NIC out there" problem and appreciating the fact that designing a whole proper NIC may not be an efficient effort ("ip stack should be eventually abandoned", lots of work, economies of scale at work in semiconductor production, whatnot), i wonder why asciilifeform hasn't considered investing time not in seeking a sane nic, but rather designing / using a sane transport protocol via *radio* (i don't mean shi
Framedragger: tty wifi dongles, but rather long distance shortwaves, etc.) ☟︎
Framedragger: (i'm sure it's easier told than done)
mircea_popescu: in principle we could have a tmsr radio station. even makes for excellent call sign, TMSR.
mircea_popescu: however, costs money to operate hardware. what's the rush.
Framedragger: it'd be so much fun and would be super educational!
Framedragger: i mean ideally, it'd be a p2p radio station network. antenna + dongle + stuff can be real cheap.
mircea_popescu: was mentioned now and again in logs, yes.
Framedragger: shortwaves bounce around the ionosphere and all that
mircea_popescu: it is on the list, but first gotta have better geographic density of republican lords.
mircea_popescu: not that you can't just go ahead and proof it, if you want to.
Framedragger: that's the thing, i wonder if a few points around the globe wouldn't be enough, in principle!
Framedragger: yeah.
Framedragger: that's the way it works, i guess. talk is easy
asciilifeform: radio has its place.
asciilifeform: but ~long-range~ radio has very limited place.
mircea_popescu: in short : it wouldn't be wasted work, we'll certainly use it later ; it's not yet scheduled, but the scheduler isn't blocking in this sense.
asciilifeform: a megawatt shortwave station is a castle.
asciilifeform: needs to go with cannon, anti-aircraft battery, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends how much it costs. in any case, there's a relationship between required-density and square-of-radius.
mircea_popescu: so radius is good.
Framedragger: but all those radio amateurs happily listening to each other's callsigns around the globe - they don't have powerful stations do they?
asciilifeform: Framedragger: they're capons
mircea_popescu: Framedragger not really data links, either
asciilifeform: (i.e. usg-compliant)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not that often.
mircea_popescu: still, a 10kbps link dun help anyone much does it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 0 crypto
mircea_popescu: because lazy and stupid, not because subservient.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: no disagreement, hence the tone (happily masturbating each other, they are). point was, they're able to listen to each other rather easily
mircea_popescu: in any case : 1 mb blocks, 10 minute blocks, you therefore must have no less than
mircea_popescu: !~calc 1 * 2 ** 20 / 10 / 60 * 2
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 1 * 2 ** 20 / 10 / 60 * 2 = 3495.2533333333336
Framedragger: 10kbps, imho, would be *fine* for the beginning. enough for lighthoused PoC if there were to appear one later, enough to sync state, exchange keys, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not at all lazy, here in usa they do ~100% of the spectrum policing
mircea_popescu: 3.5kBps is the absolute minimum. about 30kbps
asciilifeform: transmit something they can't decode, and they carefully guide the gasenwagen right to your house
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ~nobody gives a shit about "there in usa". move.
Framedragger: (i know that ideal lighthoused would have much higher throughput.)
Framedragger: yeah i wouldn't transmit encrypted shortwaves from usa, that indeed sounds like doom
mircea_popescu: Framedragger sure ; even noncompliant channels may have their uses. but still, in general you want to aim for a 30 kbps minimum.
Framedragger: sure.
asciilifeform: ahahahaha yaaah i'ma not only move (~$m+) but build megawatt radio on me new magic island ($10m+) suure.
Framedragger: i mean personally, to be able to exchange pgp-signed sha512 hashes would make me super happy already - maybe premature ejaculation, yes, but it'd be a *useful facility*.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, this suggests an extremely cheap way to fuck with the empire. produce mini board that outputs salt-hashed counter nonce, rsa and emit it.
mircea_popescu: power the thing off battery, dump a bunch around people's houses.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the board is trivial
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it counts for 0, they only care about international tx
mircea_popescu: let them "guide the gasenwagen" at $100k to $20mn per guidance, untill they fall over.
asciilifeform: as in 100kW+
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. they don't care ; it's you that have mental issues.
Framedragger: (drone delivery to fbi building, etc)
asciilifeform: what can i say, go and put a 100kW pirate in usa, i'll watch
PeterL: did we already do thread "transmit from drone flying overhead"?
mircea_popescu: by now it should be pretty self-evident, to you too. the moment one of these preconceived things gets out the mouth and then starts shapeshifting for dear life in conversation, you got an example.
mircea_popescu: PeterL yes, comes up reliably.
asciilifeform: PeterL: 100kW drone?
asciilifeform: with what, own reactor?
Framedragger: i still don't understand why the hell you need them 100kW
PeterL: drone carrying nuclear reactor ... pretty cool sci-fi
mircea_popescu: are there any stations even left that do 100kw in soviet us ?
PeterL: why must be 100kW?
Framedragger: you don't need to cover the whole damn globe (ionosphere bounces notwithstanding). it's just a *node*
asciilifeform: Framedragger: you did say http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1546849 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-22 12:33 Framedragger: tty wifi dongles, but rather long distance shortwaves, etc.)
mircea_popescu: desperately needs it to be 100k because protecting some other unexamined notions this way!
Framedragger: "rather long distance" does not imply 100 kW afaik?
asciilifeform: hey short-range pirates are where it's at, because they make actual sense
asciilifeform: cheap, costs enemy more to kill than for us to make
Framedragger: (consider a true radio relay, by which i mean a relay which sends, receives, and *passes on* messages received from one end to the other)
mircea_popescu: something like that. except for the exact definition of short.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: we had a long thread
mircea_popescu has personally seen 10W station owner with postcards from fucking australia
asciilifeform: i even handed out chip samples at c3 recall
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ionospheric lottery
asciilifeform actually listens to shortwave, it is a very mixed bag
mircea_popescu: yes, but lottery works for you when you got a lot of them.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: and those will of course not have much bandwidth capacity. but i maintain that to usefully PoC the thing, you don't need much at all. jeebus, having a radio-based key server would be amazing already
mircea_popescu: ie, if you have 10k 10w stations rather than 100kw one, you will, if sanely handling errors, get a better channel from cluj to melbourne.
mircea_popescu: and very likely > 30kbps.
Framedragger: for seriously.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on odd full moons.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger this whole convo keeps popping up ; nobody's seriously against it.
asciilifeform: and until usg jam.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, because geodispersed. most of the time, sqrt n etc
mircea_popescu: this is not jamable.
Framedragger: *sigh* i'll look up dongle prices :D
asciilifeform: individual stations are -- recall 'voice of america'
mircea_popescu: there are no individual stations.
mircea_popescu: and i do recall it ; which proves that they aren't eh ?
asciilifeform: at any rate, pretty much 100% of asciilifeform's work re gossipd, incl. prior to mircea_popescu's publication, was so that eventually radio.
asciilifeform: it is why i threw out all handshakes and other items that presume synchronous 2way, fast, and roughly symmetric link.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: so that's the thing, maybe prototyping gossipd designs over usual packet-switched internet is not even worth it?
mircea_popescu: ah also : re "encryption" : we CAN use the eliza involved in gossipd spec (anyone actually did this or just some quick napkin work and then forgot about ?) to eliza the actual emissions.
Framedragger: which is, if i may say so, smart indeed
mircea_popescu: markov chains can be used for the purpose of symmetrically "encrypting" ; make every byte a different word, it will be "plaintext"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pass me a turing test and wake me up
mircea_popescu: as a sort of steganography. who the hell is going to prove that radio chatter is "not really what it seems"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it is worth it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: stego is easily a 100x drop in channel capacity.
PeterL: mircea_popescu at one point I demonstrated a script to do that, asciilifeform scoffed at it as useless
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your posited 30kps turns to 0.3
mircea_popescu: PeterL did i see this ?
asciilifeform: PeterL: if i can tell that stego is in use, it ain't stego, definitionally
mircea_popescu: and the alf "useless" signal can be safely ignored. he's decided to shit in own mouth, what can you do.
asciilifeform: ( unless i'm the intended receiver )
asciilifeform: i never say 'useless' unless i can break something in O(1)
mircea_popescu: you say useless all the time for absolutely no reason ; and had a year's + worth of warning. too late to appeal this.
mircea_popescu: do not say it anymore ; or do. for all the difference it makes, you can pick either.
asciilifeform: you can have it broken prior to investing time of yourself and others in it, or after.
asciilifeform: pick.
mircea_popescu: i've picked.
asciilifeform: at any rate if mircea_popescu wants to build sw lighthouse on his dirigible, it'd be quite spiffy, not only do i not have any argument against it, but consider it the right and properly inevitable thing.
asciilifeform: but it remains true that 'eliza stego' is dumb, unless you are masquerading among spam
asciilifeform: it's rather like camo on tank, the scenery matters
asciilifeform: would mircea_popescu paint forest camo on his city t34?
asciilifeform: also if yer gonna do this, do it right - massive net of physically dispersed transmitters, instead of multi-kw hogs
asciilifeform: (at one time al schwartz and i modelled a scheme with ordinary champaigne bottles floating in ocean. it can work)
asciilifeform: can last much longer than balloon (the other obvious choice) at the cost of distance covered
asciilifeform: (balloon is bested only by satellite)
Framedragger: i'd risk getting a visit from the spooks here, honestly been interested in viability of low bitrate (plain-encrypted, in my mind) radio exchange for a whole.
Framedragger: while*
asciilifeform: Framedragger: no1 rule of pirate radio is for your arse to be nowhere near the transmitter.
asciilifeform: nor easily linkable with it.
Framedragger: myeah, i know. but i also think it's only a matter of degree of effort: if i'm not important enough in their eyes, i'll be fine. if on the other hand i am, then they'll find a way to link me to station and will pay a visit. a.k.a. binary "are you important?" security model.
asciilifeform: (alternatively for you to be fidel castro and 'go ahead and take my radio motherfuckers', which is what i originally thought this thread was to be about)
Framedragger: may be a tad bit too nihilistic, sure
asciilifeform: Framedragger: pirates who don't use any crypto at all tend to have problems just the same, for 'tresspassing' on whatever sovereign's 'owned' spectrum.
Framedragger: yeah.
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-14#1342601 << thread starts here ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-12-14 02:37 PeterL: so I was playing with the idea of http://trilema.com/2015/the-pgp-w-mode/
asciilifeform: historically successful ('not caught for years') radio pirates normally used either unattended devices, or fast, mobile stations on boats
Framedragger: http://btcscoop.com/steg/ for sale, great. i love the web
PeterL: oh, yeah, I think it just lapsed
asciilifeform: PeterL: consider reposting
mircea_popescu: that's the problem here - ideas are exciting, but for lack of practice western man has all but lost any knowledge of the actual excitement of actually doing things.
asciilifeform believe or not, experiments
mircea_popescu: the curse of this language space is that pretty much everything degrades by degrees into this wordy masturbation where people get excited over ideas then agree they can't be done then move on to the next.
asciilifeform: i'll share a tidbit - the place to be is the vast expanse of locally-quiet spectrum.
asciilifeform: (and when it stops being quiet, silently and immediately move, with a pre-agreed scheme)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: silently and immediately because folks will notice if not, and you'll become a point of interst?
asciilifeform: nono
asciilifeform: so that you aren't stuck having to talk about it over the degrading channel
asciilifeform: and it has to be automatic.
asciilifeform: imagine living in obama's closet when he isn't looking. you can actually do that in radio...
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: the sad part is that by "battling out" ideas in this wordspace, one gets a bit of serotonin rush, to feel *as if* they have actually done something material. i know i get this, at least. evolutionary side-effect, this whole "curiosity -> completion" gap used to be much larger, not it short-circuits easily. it sucks, need to make conscious effort to resist sinking into nihilistic bliss, i think. </rant>
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ah, right!
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: mircea_popescu has a point, it is a sin
asciilifeform: like gluttony
mircea_popescu: very much a sin ; now go forth and sin no more.
Framedragger: s/not it/now it/
asciilifeform: !#s esp8266
a111: 28 results for "esp8266", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=esp8266
mircea_popescu: the only sane way to look at it is over BingoBoingo 's mayo-enabler pair.
asciilifeform: Framedragger ^ possibly of interest
mircea_popescu: the fundamental point of reddit & co, and the main reason to avoid them, is that they format people into this specific mode,
mircea_popescu: where they take turns to play the obese and the enabler for each other.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik the concept was first described by dan mocsny
mircea_popescu: it's very much a destructive psychiatric condition ; harmful for self, harmful for others. smoke and don't do this, rather than don't smoke and do it.
mircea_popescu: quite possibly.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESP8266 - nifty! but this is wifi, i.e. ghz ranges no?
asciilifeform: Framedragger: quite respectable city ranges, 300+ metres
Framedragger: niice.
mircea_popescu: ballas' celebrated "so you feel strongly about something, strong enough to not do anything" is just as much a statement. there's no lack of observation, it's just that piggy likes his truffle.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the mega-feature was the all-in-one micro (just needs current source, a few milliamp) and unspeakable cheapness
asciilifeform: (chinese)
Framedragger: mmm. i2c interface, etc. yeah. this is a very neat useful thing.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: notice, you don't even need the external i/o pins
asciilifeform: thing is a respectable micro comp on its own
Framedragger: may as well put a power source on it, even a solar cell, and leave in coffee shop for anon wifi, heh.
asciilifeform: can relay, even perform basic crypto, in principle
Framedragger: yeah!
Framedragger: right, right. hm that's pretty great
asciilifeform: i have a crate of'em, waiting
asciilifeform: Framedragger: at one time i suggested thermovoltaic device to mircea_popescu , he wrote entire article
asciilifeform: !#s parasitic relay
a111: 5 results for "parasitic relay", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=parasitic%20relay
asciilifeform: anyway sloth is a sin, motherfuckers. the 2 (3?) dudes i gave esp8266 boards to at c3, have they powered'em up?
asciilifeform: it just wants 3v.
asciilifeform: program with, e.g., 'buspirate'
Framedragger: need to minimize energy expenditure at $job. "go home tired" sort of case, it's sad. i'd like to, e.g., among other matters (incl mkj log etc of course), write a very initial very to-be-criticized gossipd for udp/ip, using (kill me now) python twisted. i guess many live like this, savouring free time, with personal projects falling behind. [i rant today, because exhaustion + coffee infusion => wee bit psychedelic]
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1546840 << 3 fwiw ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-22 12:28 mircea_popescu: by now it's a 5 year old thing, if they were gonna do something about it they've had done by now.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: at this point i think everyone here has an unpublished prototype.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1546830 << this'd be incredibly spiffy ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-22 12:20 mircea_popescu: you have a reasonably fresh list of respondent boxes, feed them 0x32 at offset 0x47f then poll in 5 and 500 seconds see if they're up.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: another experiment, in similar vein, is fuzzing (yes) nics right on a desk
asciilifeform: feed the thing validly checksummed but otherwise from rng packets, at line rate
asciilifeform: eventually might strike gold.
mircea_popescu: word ; i was thinking of proposing exactly this but then i got distracted.
mircea_popescu: the companion to Framedragger 's exploration to be done at home is evidently - there's only 3 chips, right ? get a realtek, an intel and a broad and fuzz them
thestringpuller: "The main cost in the initial synchronization is disk I/O when seeking for transactions in the blockchain. Default cache size (dbcache) is 100MB, and it is too low. I always set it manually depending on the amount of RAM in the system (5GB for dbcache on a 8GB system)." << re: discussions of using SSDs on initial sync.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's ~dozen subspecies of each, but yes
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller ideally you want to do it all in ram and dump to disk 2gb at a time
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tru, but dollars to donuts they didn't change the magic for each chip.
asciilifeform: the intel find (and if you buy the 'bug' excuse, i've a bridge to sellya) was a clue that the bastards never bothered with serious crypto magic for the boobytrap
mircea_popescu: either because lazydumb or because afraid someone might microscope/probe the things and find it.
asciilifeform: the OTHER thing to do, on top of these earlier 2, is to collect martian packets.
asciilifeform: if it lands in your house and your machinery has nfi what it was for - save it...
mircea_popescu: somewhat less conclusive, but more expensive. still, it may turn out very interesting
asciilifeform: it is the least 'sexy' method but betcha it is where the corpse is buried.
asciilifeform: and you'll find 10,001 species of strange.
asciilifeform: !!up andr1976
deedbot: andr1976 voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: microscope is of course the 4th method. ought to be included for completeness .
asciilifeform: and if anyone knows of a 5th, i'm all ears.
asciilifeform: (perhaps 5th is to steal the crown jewels from the culprit himself)
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q3/592 << picture if you went into a restaurant and waiter tells you that the chair-dildo system is broken
Framedragger: lol. bug in uefi, me heart is truly broken
PeterL: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jfzos/?raw=true << saving for posterity. I archived back about a year, if anybody wants to archive farther back than that they can use this.
asciilifeform: PeterL: neato
asciilifeform: sooooooo mircea_popescu , Framedragger , et al, while we're on 'pirate radio' thread, i'd like to put a few useful items in the record:
asciilifeform: 1) every old lappy comes with a high-quality DAC fit for shortwave! the vga card. ☟︎
asciilifeform: it just needs an amp.
asciilifeform: (and antenna)
shinohai: YAgi's are cheap and easy to make would that work ?
asciilifeform: shinohai: the amp is the tricky bit. and the dirigible.
shinohai: yeah :/
asciilifeform: 2) consider a device of the following scheme. receives luby-coded packets via radio; if packet checksums AND has one of N lordly signatures, it is relayed (transmitted to neighbouring nodes.) otherwise, not.
asciilifeform: this can vary significantly, it is not necessary for ALL nodes globally to use same freq., only for neighbours to somehow agree;
asciilifeform: and likewise the power of the station can vary depending on who the operator is ( if mircea_popescu , megawatt, if asciilifeform living in amphora on the streets of athens, a watt, etc)
asciilifeform: every key gets a timeslot, such that one defeated lord does not result in a perma-ddosed net.
Framedragger: nice reference to diogenes asciilifeform
Framedragger: nice. what of DoS via replay, asciilifeform ? or should this get ignored? i.e. enemy just floods with identical packets (so both checksum and sig ok), and those get redistributed
asciilifeform: this is not, note, a 'gossipd' net per se, but potentially component in one.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: see my lighthouse scheme for the pill against replay ddos.
asciilifeform brb
Framedragger: indeed, indeed. and yet incorporating a lighthouse lifts the scheme from pure elegance to additional complexity. but maybe that's not to be avoided, and such is life
asciilifeform: Framedragger: aaaaaaaactually there is a very elegant solution to replay when you have radio net like this
asciilifeform: you have a nonce in the packet, and the packet only registers as valid when said nonce is equal to hash of some packet that is in the receiver's current buffer. ☟︎
asciilifeform: this'd have a cost, however, of limiting the number of 'hops' that the thing can propagate along.
asciilifeform: (if what i said does not make sense, draw it on napkin)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: buffer is a rolling window (or how do you call it), i.e. last N messages? hmm
asciilifeform: correct.
asciilifeform: gives 'expiration' without invoking notions of political time etc.
Framedragger: hm sounds nice
asciilifeform: so you don't actually need any elaborate moving parts, lighthouses, etc
asciilifeform: just scheme as-described.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i wonder, could this not be predicted by the enemy? (value of nonce - say the enemy is aware of the (likely) packets received by the receiving end.) i'm not sure, just trying out all possibilities in the head, because otherwise sounds nice
asciilifeform: Framedragger: enemy can predict all he likes, but unless he has your private key it does him no good
asciilifeform: he cannot sign the payload-cum-nonce.
asciilifeform: the only thing he can replay is a VALID packet, while it is valid! which helps you.
shinohai: !!up burnsd03
deedbot: burnsd03 voiced for 30 minutes.
burnsd03: ?
shinohai: burnsd03: this is the chan where you register your key
burnsd03: thanks
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ah, right, i forgot everything's signed, lol. nice! i guess enemy could replay for a (choosably) small window of time, some degree of flooding possible? but this could be minimized and that's the point, right?
asciilifeform: Framedragger: again, what'll he flood with ?
Framedragger: same exact packet - he would assume the nonce in packet refers to a packet that is still in the receiver's buffer
Framedragger: maybe i'm not getting the picture how quickly entries in the buffer can expire, though
asciilifeform: the one thing he could do is to stretch out a packet's life, by setting up own relay net
asciilifeform: one obvious pill against this is to flush buffers periodically.
asciilifeform: (atmospheric noise is likely to result in this naturally, but can be made explicit.)
asciilifeform: anyway the obvious hole in my scheme is the base case of the induction
asciilifeform: i.e. how to transmit the first packet.
burnsd03: !!register E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7
deedbot: Import failed for E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7.
asciilifeform: as soon as anybody ( mircea_popescu ? ) figures this piece out, folks can go, build.
burnsd03: !!register E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7
burnsd03: !!register E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7
burnsd03: !!register E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7
deedbot: Import failed for E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7.
deedbot: Import failed for E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7.
deedbot: Import failed for E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the noose spreadz!!11 >> http://bioshacking.blogspot.sg/2016/09/down-to-silicon-level-debugging.html
asciilifeform: 'Anyway, I was quite surprised to find a "low cost" version of this kind of ICE over at: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1667. Well, I'd like to thank to whoever posted a comment about this ICE in my previous post. It's very interesting nonetheless ;-).'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this isn't any old d00d, either, his b00k is excellent
asciilifeform: (even if the ~title~ is terrifyingly cringe-inducing)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: you mean an initial packet after a period of silence? hm yeah; one way would be to have a scheme in place which i think you may have suggested anyway: to have stations constantly stream packets at some rate, 24/7.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: thing needs work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and i am floored to discover that the man who wrote ~the~ book on subj of bios internals, never had an ICE.
asciilifeform: (the comparison with deaf beethoven invites itself)
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1547078 << when message is recieved using nonce, remove nonce from buffer, then that message cannot be replayed because nonce no longer in buffer ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-22 14:46 asciilifeform: you have a nonce in the packet, and the packet only registers as valid when said nonce is equal to hash of some packet that is in the receiver's current buffer.
PeterL: not sure if that makes sense with what asciilifeform was talking about?
asciilifeform: PeterL: it would if the scheme allowed for any way to send the first packet...
asciilifeform: this is what i get for following the advice to 'post things instead of sitting on'em' - sometimes it will be an escherian house.
asciilifeform: i do not know how to make the house stand up. if you do - post.
shinohai: !!up burnsd03
deedbot: burnsd03 voiced for 30 minutes.
burnsd03: mircea_popescu could you please make me an account? Just following the quick-start guide :)
burnsd03: !!register E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7
deedbot: E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7 registered as burnsd03.
burnsd03: great :)
PeterL: hi burnsd03, who are you? name makes me think of burnside, wasn't that the btctc guy?
shinohai: Exactly who I thought of PeterL lol
burnsd03: nope lol :P
burnsd03: never heard of burnside?
shinohai: Let's hope not, unless you like scams too.
burnsd03: nope, i stay clear of hyips etc
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque i found another debuggable amd board, http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48155
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
Framedragger: PeterL: ah, good point. and regarding first packet, i wonder if some very light lighthouse version would make sense, a pre-shared sequence of whitelisted nonces between two given nodes, whatnot. in the beginning, interchangeable over internet. and later, updateable over same radio channel ("here's my payload, and also please add to your whitenoncelist this encrypted sequence of nonces for future channel initiations.")
asciilifeform: Framedragger: you can't have a network of cheapo relays with seekrits in'em
asciilifeform: enemy finds ONE, you're done.
asciilifeform: whole ~point~ of 'relay signed strings' is that you can start releasing balloons, etc.
shinohai: neat asciilifeform ... I haven't sourced one of the others yet :/
asciilifeform: shinohai: the amd thing is for aficionados strictly
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48194 <<< aaand another
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ah, so 'private key' is purely 'station key' - i guess like in latest gossipd discussion
Framedragger: which yeah makes sense
asciilifeform: Framedragger: private key is in the thing lords use to inject packets into the relay net.
asciilifeform: remember that the hypothetical scheme is not gossipd.
asciilifeform: the 'signed-packet-relay' concept's entire appeal is that it is more or less jam-proof, and the nodes - disposable
Framedragger: right.
asciilifeform: as for what its use is - could be, e.g., gossip lighthouse, or btc tx relay, or something else. uses are to be conceived of later.
PeterL: could relay messages from one gossipd node to another
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> are there any stations even left that do 100kw in soviet us ? << 50kw is the cap and requires "clear channel" Daytime range of such power not too impressive
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the point, which i tried and apparently failed to make earlier, is that gigantic radio stations are a largely-unnecessary luxury
asciilifeform: yes, it is nice to have 100kW sw that can be reliably heard across the atlantic. but you don't need it to cross land, it is much better to have 1,001 small and disposable unattended boxes.
asciilifeform: if you have enough of'em scattered, their removal becomes uneconomical even for hitler
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: this isn't any old d00d, either, his b00k is excellent << Hence why very newsworthy. Raises your esteem and that of republic. Harder for a certain sort to ignore than Phuctor.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: eh, whole field is ~dozen people, max.
asciilifeform: and the device is, afaik, ~extinct.
asciilifeform: ( i'd dearly love to be proven wrong about this )
BingoBoingo: Maybe only a dozen people in actual field, but people likely worth having the esteem of.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is presently comparable to astronomy at a time when telescope existed but only 'weirdos' had heard of it.
BingoBoingo: Right, but the weidos were actually doing something. For that actual field of a dozen there's prolly a fandom of hundreds to thousands because less capable weirdos.
asciilifeform: now this i have nfi about, measuring 'fandoms' is 'above my paygrade.'
BingoBoingo: nfi about fandom's value here either, but the people doing things worth esteeming with. Attraction rather than promotion as PR strategy.
shinohai: Need moar groupies.
asciilifeform: for what?
trinque: asciilifeform: my gizmo 1 gets here tomorrow.
asciilifeform: neato
shinohai: To fawn over you incessantly of course asciilifeform
asciilifeform: trinque: let us know if it comes with the probe.
trinque: will take pictures of the kit and write it up
asciilifeform: trinque: and when you feed it the pill, post result...
asciilifeform: cool
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20160922.txt
asciilifeform: 'A malicious client can send an excessively large OCSP Status Request extension. If that client continually requests renegotiation, sending a large OCSP Status Request extension each time, then there will be unbounded memory growth on the server. This will eventually lead to a Denial Of Service attack through memory exhaustion. Servers with a default configuration are vulnerable even if they do not support OCSP. Builds using the "no-
asciilifeform: ocsp" build time option are not affected. Servers using OpenSSL versions prior to 1.0.1g are not vulnerable in a default configuration, instead only if an application explicitly enables OCSP stapling support.'
mats: http://imgur.com/a/fOFNj
asciilifeform: y'know when 'picture's worth 1000 words'? this one's worth 1...
mats: :(
asciilifeform: hey it's useful!!
asciilifeform: but can summarize - from 2008, all used CAN bus
asciilifeform: i had once an ancient toyota that had a debug port, but weird proprietary analogue one, i gathered the docs but the thing fell apart before i got a chance to use.
asciilifeform: !!up veter2601
deedbot: veter2601 voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: veter2601: hello?
veter2601: hello
asciilifeform: veter2601: who might you be ?
mats: fella in the field once told me a modern car's center console has 6+ microprocessors, 4+ with radio interfaces (the strictly on-board ones, not counting external stuff like TPMS)
asciilifeform: mats: wouldn't surprise me if at this point even the blinkers had own micro
asciilifeform: in each.
mats: heh
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-03#1118879 << see also. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-05-03 03:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: someone decided to use a microcontroller. quite possibly because 29 cents instead of 30 for a '555'.
veter2601: Tell me how I can (Earn 0.01 BTC (one bitcent) per two hours doing computer stuff.) pls
asciilifeform: that's a mircea_popescu question
veter2601: Thank you)
asciilifeform: ... didn't mircea_popescu have a separate kindergarten for these folks..?
asciilifeform: #eulora ?
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/vvYbd << in other noose, Run Moar Dns!1111
asciilifeform: '“There is a logical possibility that somebody has cracked it and we don’t know,” Andrew Sullivan, chair of the Internet Architecture Board, a group that oversees organisations involved in the evolution of the internet, told Motherboard in a phone call. He stressed, however, that there is no reason to believe the key has been compromised.'
asciilifeform: 'Another reason for the key switch is that it is going to increase in size, from 1024 bits up to 2048. As time goes on, and computing power increases, the chance of someone cracking the key, although still low, increases.' << mega-l0l
shinohai: asciilifeform: when the tardstalk people come in, just have them msg me or something and I'll point them to the guides
asciilifeform: shinohai: sure
shinohai: Sometimes I miss them.
shinohai: so logs don't get cluttered
asciilifeform: shinohai: i still don't fully grasp why they gotta come here and not #eulora
shinohai: They have to come here to register keyz, deedbot isn't in #eulora chan
asciilifeform: why not ?
shinohai: I dunno *shrugs*
shinohai: Guess have to ask trinque
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://lawfare.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/staging/2016/hpsci_snowden_review_-_unclass_summary_-_final.pdf >> atrocious usg ocr >>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/n4l56/?raw=true << for expert entomologists strictly
asciilifeform: ^ 'official 5 minutes of hate' for the вредитель trotsk^H^H^H^H^H^Hsnowden
trinque: I don't see a problem with people coming to the forum to announce their existence as a person.
trinque: or at least a potential person.
shinohai: I mean I usually just don't voice them until they actually produce a key.
shinohai: So wasn't a big deal to me.
trinque: not that I'm opposed to parking an instance in #eulora
asciilifeform: 'He claimed to have left Army basic training because of broken legs when in fact he washed out because of shin splints. He claimed to have obtained a high school degree equivalent when in fact he never did. He claimed to have worked for the CIA as a "senior advisor," which was a gross exaggeration of his entry-level duties as a computer technician. He also doctored his performance evaluations and obtained new positions at NSA by exag
asciilifeform: gerating his resume and stealing the answers to an employment test. In May 2013, Snowden informed his supervisor that he would be out of the office to receive treatment for worsening epilepsy. In reality, he was on his way to Hong Kong with stolen secrets.'
asciilifeform: oh noez, an Unlicensed Liar !111
asciilifeform: without permit from clitler.
phf: what an odd angle, "he lied in order to steal these things", duh, no shit
trinque: if he had any Real Honor he'd come have his ass perforated in a federal CMU
phf: is this like the cry of every school yard loser, "he wasn't fighting fair"
asciilifeform: the cry of every loser who ever lived.
mats: there are lots of folks that still believe snowden didn't act under orders
PeterL: http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/22/are-stem-syllabi-gendered-a-feminist-pro << lols. tldr; feminidiot says it is sexist to say there is objective truth
PeterL: http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/21/mass-high-court-rules-black-men-may-have legitimate reason to run from police << USG.MA admits it is bad at policing
mircea_popescu: !!key burnsd03
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/ttqjx/?raw=true
asciilifeform: https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/09/22/ethereum-network-currently-undergoing-dos-attack << in other lelzies
mircea_popescu: aww
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#395 << this is a pretty good point.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [14:31:38] <asciilifeform> 1) every old lappy comes with a high-quality DAC fit for shortwave! the vga card. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: could prolly make 100W emitter strictly out of 200 bucks worth of old lappy +/- old car battery.
asciilifeform: or if you just want 10mW or so, just ordinary cable, no amp.
asciilifeform: this idea doesn't belong to me, either, it is ancient.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#311 << word. meanwhile this merged in my head with the eliza-for-gossipd thread (re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541643 ) ; there should in principle be a way to have the same tool do both things, and therefore probably should do it that way. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-14 12:34 mircea_popescu: incidentally, and re http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119099 : if anyone likes to fuck around with markov chains etc, a prototype implementation of that would be perfect at this juncture.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [13:18:17] <a111> Logged on 2015-12-14 02:37 PeterL: so I was playing with the idea of http://trilema.com/2015/the-pgp-w-mode/
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#449 << "There was at least one mistake I did in my BIOS book that I didn't realize due to my handicap in not having an ICE and its related skills." gimme a break ; that dude read nothing past cereal boxes.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [15:02:23] <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: the noose spreadz!!11 >> http://bioshacking.blogspot.sg/2016/09/down-to-silicon-level-debugging.html
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have b00k with his name on the cover, and it is genuinely valuable.
asciilifeform: (who wants 133337 w4r3z copy, pm)
mircea_popescu: writes book on bios, has no hardware knowledge ?
asciilifeform: he's a reverser
mircea_popescu: aite.
asciilifeform: and this education gap is surprisingly common.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#495 << aha. power dun help so much after a while. ☟︎
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [15:31:23] <BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> are there any stations even left that do 100kw in soviet us ? << 50kw is the cap and requires "clear channel" Daytime range of such power not too impressive
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#515 << nice! need a whole lotta this.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [15:54:05] <trinque> will take pictures of the kit and write it up
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#520 << the servers prior to 1.0.1g are not vulnerable thing is the paydirt there.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [16:08:42] <asciilifeform> ocsp" build time option are not affected. Servers using OpenSSL versions prior to 1.0.1g are not vulnerable in a default configuration, instead only if an application explicitly enables OCSP stapling support.'
mircea_popescu: they broke it. 1001 ways.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: linked solely for that detail.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1547255 << this point doesn't get much press, but radio - just like, e.g., nuke - suffers from severe case of diminishing returns ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-22 18:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#495 << aha. power dun help so much after a while.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [15:31:23] <BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> are there any stations even left that do 100kw in soviet us ? << 50kw is the cap and requires "clear channel" Daytime range of such power not too impressive
mircea_popescu: on current tech sweet spot seems to be somewhere in the 1 to 10 W ; which is how and why wifi is even a thing ; and which drives the question that wouldn't it be much better to just use wifi instead ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wifi is crowded already nearly to death.
mircea_popescu: this is not automatically a disagvantage.
mircea_popescu: moreover, at 10 bux an item, if you end up with sqrt (distance) items to cover a distance expressed in 10 meter increments, you're looking at what, 150bucks per km of comms. this is way the fuck cheaper than laying wires ; and works on all terrain etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: except in serious city it has become difficult to hear a 2.4G wifi even in next room.
asciilifeform: much less across the street.
asciilifeform: everything has a breaking point.
mircea_popescu: sure. but there's a sweetspot for the wifi, where they're impossible to find from a distance. that same pollution also protects them.
asciilifeform: now if you're in ~no~ kind of hurry, and know luby algo, you can wifi.
asciilifeform: which is why i'd like to get folks playin' with esp8266.
asciilifeform: and i have a box of 20 here waiting for the first fella who gets interesting result
mircea_popescu: " Andrew Sullivan, chair of the Internet Architecture Board, a group that oversees organisations involved in the evolution of the internet" << there's a gavin everywhere!
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
asciilifeform: i bet he sits in 'linux foundation' board also.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#552 << could just as well pm deedbot.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [17:03:40] <shinohai> They have to come here to register keyz, deedbot isn't in #eulora chan
mircea_popescu: but honestly, a little bit of exposure can't hurt anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, his brother.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#567 << the usg bureaucracy is very much dumb-woman-from-montana as depicted by frances mcdormand in fargo. there's this list of formal sins that's all they comprehend and consequently serve as their only interface wioth the world. "said nigger" "didn't eat veggies" "doesn't recycle" "cheated on spouse" etc.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [17:11:17] <phf> what an odd angle, "he lied in order to steal these things", duh, no shit
mircea_popescu: to them, this is what's important.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#571 << i'm of the same persuasion. nevertheless, snowden pre-greenwald and snowden post-greenwald are very much different animals.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [17:21:35] <mats> there are lots of folks that still believe snowden didn't act under orders
asciilifeform: btw do we have even 1 pgp-signed thing from herr s ?
mircea_popescu: experientia docent ; de raadt pre bob beck and post bob beck very much different animals also. list can continue.
asciilifeform: either kind
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude had very little operational foresight, ability or competence.
asciilifeform: ~0
mircea_popescu: so no, there's not much useful anything, sadly.
asciilifeform: alternatively, never existed. any more than sherlock holmes.
mircea_popescu: in no small part the point of even having a republic is that the next snowden does a much better job. and having the occasional noob show up in here to work the bots is part and parcel of this same.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, this is the sort of determination that only they who were there can make. just as arguably mengele never existed ; wholly creation of jew victimlobby.
asciilifeform: tru
mircea_popescu: ahahaha laura parson kicks all ass! "stem syllabi are gendered because they promote the idea that knowledge can be ascertained through reason, which is a masculine concept that hurts women's feelings and makes it difficult for them to succeed." ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re mengele, mega-st0ry, http://samlib.ru/editors/m/mironow_andrej_aleksandrowich/konzlager.shtml
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#573 << ahahaha what, black men only ?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [17:32:15] <PeterL> http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/21/mass-high-court-rules-black-men-may-have legitimate reason to run from police << USG.MA admits it is bad at policing
PeterL: well, black men seem to be targeted most by police, so therefore they have that excuse to run away
mircea_popescu: so the problem isn't the fact that the police machinery of the rogue state is a criminal entreprise ; and people understandably want to avoid them. ☟︎
PeterL: but I think anybody could point to this and say running away was not reasonable cause for suspicion, but IANAL
mircea_popescu: the problem is that the police machinery of the rogue state bestows its blessings particularly on tall women with nice tits, and therefore it's all about ~that~
mircea_popescu: how are these idiots so good at self-falsification ?
PeterL: you want rogue state to outright admit that it is a rogue state?
mircea_popescu: independence of judiciary an' all that eh ?
PeterL: what independence? they all get elected by the same people, don't they?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: i think in texas judgeships are elective, but in mass nominated ?
mircea_popescu: but in other bounce, http://67.media.tumblr.com/8c5d6e91bb2cbf449730cea0bcea7d37/tumblr_ngamkcpJ5N1tpox31o1_400.gif
mats: the country's about split half and half with elections and appointments
PeterL: "The seven justices of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court are appointed by the governor with the approval of the Governor's Council." looks like you are right
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/Utpzd << in other lulz, from earlier rag
asciilifeform: '...state lawmakers on Thursday heard from local officials in cities like Nashville, which requires homeowners obtain a permit before renting their homes on Airbnb and similar websites. Nashville's regulations also cap short-term rentals at no more than 3 percent of all homes in a given neighborhood—so if 3 percent of your neighbors are listing their homes through a room-sharing service, you won't be allowed to get a permit even if
asciilifeform: you meet all the other qualifications the city has set.'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1547305 << in what country on what continent do normal people ~not~ avoid police when possible..? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-22 18:34 mircea_popescu: so the problem isn't the fact that the police machinery of the rogue state is a criminal entreprise ; and people understandably want to avoid them.
asciilifeform: that being said, plainly and obviously ~running~ from policeman more or less blows your cover, neh ?
asciilifeform: like running from dog.
asciilifeform: beast has 'if running, chase' burned in its firmware.
PeterL: police are like the T-rex in Jurrasic Park - hold still and they can't see you
asciilifeform: approx.
asciilifeform: and i have exactly same sympathy for 'stotters' who deliberately provoke the idiot cop as for those dudes who fuck wasp hives.
asciilifeform: srsly, why.
asciilifeform: ( can anyone find, in the logz, that iconic photo of the fella spinning wasp hive on his cock ? try as i might, it refuses to turn up )
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you've ever heard of the "national sovereignity" thing ; but let me point out it was originally enacted by europeans through the process of deliberately provoking the austrohungarian police.
asciilifeform: if yer wasp-proof -- fuck away
asciilifeform: if not - either refrain, or dun complain...
mircea_popescu: well, nobody's wasp proof. including the derpy archduke.
mircea_popescu: and in other stottings, http://66.media.tumblr.com/13ff53844d29ac2e31658c23de5aefcc/tumblr_ng7xhcK7zl1rpr8w3o5_400.gif
asciilifeform: note, i didn't paint wasp-fucking as a sin. simply another hobby, that requires adequate preparation and equipment.
asciilifeform: folks who go in without - well, you can try and go sailing without boat, also
mircea_popescu: "token's life matters" people seem uncharacteristically well equipped.
asciilifeform: (dunno, hold up old newspaper for sail..?)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lulzy - what kind of vehicle is that
asciilifeform: hearse ?
mircea_popescu: looks like one of those rental limos
mircea_popescu: prolly seen its fair share of homecoming orgies.
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform: i oughta take a ride in a limo, so as to even know what it looks like.
asciilifeform: this is not the first time i had nfi.
mircea_popescu: gasenlimo
asciilifeform: gas in style!111
BingoBoingo: Oh, Yahoo git breached, newsing
shinohai: O.o
BingoBoingo: Him in our time motherfuckers!
BingoBoingo in other news in playing with houseplants and working on invading the indoor portions of my spider hole with gardening.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> gasenlimo <+asciilifeform> gas in style!111 << haha
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/peace-comes-to-yahoo-half-a-billion-users-affected/ << Qntra - Peace Comes To Yahoo – Half A Billion Users Affected
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/qntra/status/779056042583793664 << Obligatory Spam
mircea_popescu: lulz
asciilifeform: lulzy
asciilifeform: now if anybody ~used~ yahoo...
mircea_popescu: all sorts of idiots use yahoo.
mircea_popescu: of the same crop who use windows etc.
BingoBoingo: Most people don't use Yahoo to Yahoo. They use Yahoo to do X thing a yahoo attached tool purported to do.
asciilifeform: btw, re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1547240 -- oblig. reading -- 1) http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest << the classic ; 2) http://bellard.org/dvbt << modern-day. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-22 17:49 scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [14:31:38] <asciilifeform> 1) every old lappy comes with a high-quality DAC fit for shortwave! the vga card.
asciilifeform: incidentally, vga is not the only possible illicit arse for radio
asciilifeform: gB ethernet has 125Mhz base frequency...
asciilifeform: but vga is the champ because it does not expect anything ~back~
asciilifeform: though if you are using a traditional os, you will need to fool the card re display's 'ddc' being connected
asciilifeform: either this, or boot dos etc., drive card directly.
asciilifeform: http://lambda-diode.com/electronics/tempest << other well-known experiment with exotic (0 added hardware) transmission, via, e.g., cpu looping
asciilifeform: (this is much harder on modern x86 than on the 8bit micros we grew up with)
asciilifeform: and further re 'pirates'. http://darkliferadio.proboards.com/thread/554/crystal-osc-class-linear-transmitter << anthropologically interesting.
phf: wasn't there also a radio hack, using crt output
phf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7yQ_Z4vB4c
phf: oh never mind that's what you already posted
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1ps9
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/relaxing-white-house-gmail-lulz/ << Qntra - Relaxing White House Gmail Lulz
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 431038 | Current Difficulty: 2.2583287217945956E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 431423 | Next Difficulty In: 385 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 16 hours, 10 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
shinohai: !!up Bit4u
deedbot: Bit4u voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: the jet circus over dc has been going since monday - today at its loudest, squadron of 4 jet fighters now joined by 2 'hercules', and at least 1 little prop thing that looks like it escaped from ww2
asciilifeform: they go in circles, circles.
BingoBoingo: lol, crop circles?
asciilifeform: crop?
BingoBoingo: You know alien crop circles to go with alien lizard masters?
BingoBoingo: !!up Bit4u speak and fix your connection or face ignoring!
deedbot: Bit4u voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo must be posting from 1947 or wat.
BingoBoingo: Well do you have a better year to live in?
asciilifeform: http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2016/09/prosecutor_preet_bharara_trial_will_show_state_corruption_in_gory_detail.html << in other preet
shinohai: preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/9KNIH << in related vintage lulz.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://dcleaks.com/index.php/mel_may_jun_jul16 << brainmelting snore
asciilifeform: 'From: Victorio, Armando I. SSgt USMC WHMO/OPS <Armando.Victorio@whmo.mil> Sent time: Tue, 24 May 2016 14:53:58 +0000 To: ianmellul@gmail.com <ianmellul@gmail.com> Subject: Statement from White House Military Office, Operations To Ian : Attached is your statement for food consumed on government aircraft. DO NOT REMIT! Your credit card will be charged within 3-5 business days.'
asciilifeform: lel.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Except for the part where someone is likely collecting aug_sep_oct16 in real time
asciilifeform: see, and betcha the muppet won't get so much as a pay cut, much less sacked.
asciilifeform: that's what i mean by 'they're unkillable'
BingoBoingo: Likely get promoted to somewhere more boring
asciilifeform: perhaps, one day, to president!
asciilifeform: or neh, not vaginal enough
BingoBoingo: That's like saying desk cactus is not metal enough for home defense. It has spikes and lives in very tossable clay pot.
asciilifeform: 'About a week ago, House Republicans snuck an anti-LGBTQ measure into the National Defense Authorization Act. When Democrats fought back with an amendment to take out the discriminatory language, Republican leadership extended the voting time and flipped some of their members' votes to defeat it. Our democracy must be better than this.'
asciilifeform: this has gotta be a parody.
BingoBoingo: Nah, purely and formally Byzantine use of language.
asciilifeform: '>>>>> Can we vet Sylvia Q Davis, she is a 6th grade math teacher at Picacho >>>>> Middle School to introduce the President.'
asciilifeform: '>> Vetting has cleared Sylvia Davis. Let us know if there are any others >> that need to be vetted. '
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/22/drake-summer-sixteen-tour/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Drake: Summer Sixteen Tour
asciilifeform: 'From: Marcus McClendon <mmcclendon@hfaadvance.com> Sent time: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:53:14 -0400 To: Ian Mellul <ianmellul@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Your DC motorcade driver | Tuesday Thanks Ian! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 18, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Ian Mellul wrote: > > Joshua Francis Cote > DOB 08/03/1995 > SSN 032-78-2211 > US citizen, born in the US > MA Drivers license: S65036661 > Josh's cell phone: (781) 738-637
asciilifeform: 4'
asciilifeform: lel.
asciilifeform: anyway whoever wants these ( mircea_popescu ? ) come an' wget'em while they're hot.