mircea_popescu: trinque nah, the german chick was much too organised to pili.
mircea_popescu: one large driving factor of the low node count is exactly this ALL TO ALL nonsense scheme. if you have 1mb mempool and 100 nodes your chatter is 10gb. if you had 1k nodes your chatter would be 1tb.
mircea_popescu: no, if they just throw everything they have randomly at everyone you get exponential chattering-up
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the sane way is to have a negotiating mechanism AMONG AUTHENTICATED NODES
mircea_popescu: but absent that, the prb solution (where p stands for a poor man) is well...
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 00:30 mircea_popescu: no, if they just throw everything they have randomly at everyone you get exponential chattering-up
felipelalli: Ah! Democracy. Thank you to shot the head of this zombie.
BingoBoingo: bagchain, because paper bag is used in Ether huffing
felipelalli: Really, if I had my life invested on it and I were the 1.77% "NO", I would make a campaign to "the resistence" and ask to users change the PoW algo due to defend from this clear mining attack.
BingoBoingo: Because Buttcoin enjoys Qntra and there's a girl there with a serious ladyboner for everything MP
felipelalli: That fork makes no sense at all. What shit they have in mind?
felipelalli: fun fact: *no one* really knew what was wrote in that "smart contract". No fucking single person, even who wrote that. They just put the money in a tied "kind-of-immutable" contract that they simply couldn't read.
BingoBoingo: They are stuck between a rock and a moving rock
felipelalli: fun fact 2: in the "human readable contract" they wrote: "nothing said outside the code is valid in case of dispute. The code is the final word." lol
BingoBoingo: Seriously what attorney at lol signed off on that?
felipelalli: a language like haskell (or at least a lisp dialect) should be chosen to build smart contracts, to begin with. It should be purely functional, predictable / deterministic, strong-typed etc.
felipelalli: Ethereum looks like a mess made in a hurry to me.
felipelalli: and the very-first millionarie contract (14% of Ether, lol) should be much more simpler.
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: why they are so distance from the reality? They continue to buy this shit.
mircea_popescu: think for a moment how a shitshow like poloniex works. you make 1mn scamtokens out of thin air. you send them to a "margined" "exchange" website. you use the "margin" 1mn scamtokens provide to... buy 1mn more! now you have enough "marginable assets" ie scamtokens to... buy 1mn more! and if the price goes up... 1mn more!
mircea_popescu: soon enough you're sitting on an account that is still worth the 0 it was worth to begin with, except that has also bought 10x to 100x of the same scamtokens. so... "they are buying" ? yeah, sure. and paying with what ?
mircea_popescu: with any luck someone actually sends actual bitcoin to either "buy" the stuff to "mommentum trade" or else you know "short it". either way it's a win - your 0 value scamcoin attracted some actual money!
felipelalli: and a "premined" coin (dev coins) is easy to inflate the final marketcap: I just create 1`000`000`000`000`000`000 coins and sell to my mum at $ 0.01
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: what time is it in Argentina?? It's late, isn't? Here is 5 AM.
felipelalli: are you waking up or haven't you sleep yet? lol
BingoBoingo: He's just back from enjoying the vibrant local nightlife
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo here's a hint at the greatness and grandeur of being a young male in a fucked up society : 90%+ of soypizdi correspondents are... male.
mircea_popescu: i have like a feeling that if i offered them to wear a cock cage and watch quietly while i fuck the girls, more than half would gladly accept.
BingoBoingo: What, do they not have home improvement stores in Argentina?
BingoBoingo: Well why aren't they helping the divorcees pick out flowers and paint colors?
BingoBoingo: Or buying lawnmowers and making some fucking money
mircea_popescu: seriously, when you're trying to represent argentina, think of a 1950s awkansaw that never heard of new york and seriously thinks itself "the jewel of the ozarks" or some such shit. in all seriousness, no self-deprecatory humour intended OR EVEN CONCEIVABLE.
BingoBoingo: Ok, that's some serious delusion. Everyone knows Branson is the jewel of the Ozarks not R-kansas
mircea_popescu: and for anyone who deludes himself into fucking thinking that "women voting" and "divorce" is "what made '''america''' ungreat again", seriously, come to fucking argentina. they're just as dickless as you are and women here don't get to divorce anyone.
mircea_popescu: nor do they need to. there's yet to be invented some manner of keeping the dickless from being totally handpuppetted out.
BingoBoingo: Well women keep getting old anywhere you go.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, what else can be expected when Italians make a United States further south
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Framedragger: BingoBoingo: that's a great brexit writeup, well done :D
Framedragger: all essentials covered and well delivered, heh
mircea_popescu: maybe articles like that should include an "editor's pick" and then once a year we could total how well qntra did.
BingoBoingo: you get to link yourself later for context
BingoBoingo: But yeah the challenge is how to do editor's pics
mircea_popescu: ps : why is "common wisdom" in agreement that "no man could possibly hold 1mn lines of code in head" when i actually have 10mn words worth of trilema articles in my head ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: is this a perception problem, a language problem, what ?
mircea_popescu: head ordinarily holds billions' loc worth, shit, we can even climb a stair
BingoBoingo: Seriouly defect has to limit what they can hold
BingoBoingo: Like how alf fails to parse the jwz "just want to"
BingoBoingo: Some baskets hold water, others you get at the gift shop
BingoBoingo: alf tried to parse the jwz "just want to" as an instruction whereas you treated it as a antifact of the broken jwz
BingoBoingo: alf failed to pars the "just want to" and made a point of the statement not parsing. It's not made for parsing though because jwz just wants to. Nothing wrong with tossing around the "just wants to" as a string like any other though.
BingoBoingo: Like any other string that doesn't parse to meaningful code.
mircea_popescu: so basically you're saying natural language works because interpretable rather than compiled ?
BingoBoingo: Also natural languages are strongly typed.
BingoBoingo: Because you can quarentine nonsense as isolated strings and lol about them. If you can't do that they'd eventually start making you stupid.
BingoBoingo: WHen you start kicking errors because "just want to" makes soemthing overflow
mircea_popescu: just because the comment-out is communicated in-band rather than explicitly given as // or whatever doesn't mean it's strongly typed.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, this is a pretty good model. "natural language is just like a computer language that had no // or quotations." "so how do i know magic strings, and comments, from code ?" "your mother."
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. gun shop refused selling to alcoholic wifebeater, he identifies as "journalist" and butthurts all over ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose that's how the whole soypizdi thing should go, too. "no ty, you're a dude" "I AM NOT A DUDE I AM A STUDENT!!!"
BingoBoingo: Apparently they couldn't agree on which reserved words take precedence in the order of operations
mircea_popescu: lol. and even better - he wanted to buy it, to show how easy it is. then it wasn't easy. but instead of publishing a piece about how "i thought it was easy - turns out it's not", he has a ...
BingoBoingo: Using you loc allowance for Disney does that
Framedragger: this also means that potentially a large amount of vulnerable/shit keys have been removed from github since then
mircea_popescu: speaking of that, asciilifeform any idea how it's possible that Submissions: 3305302 Known Moduli: 2708380 Moduli Waiting for Test: 3677 ? shouldn't these add up ?
☟︎ Framedragger: "After realising I have a public key database of most users on GitHub, I remembered back to the May 2008 Debian OpenSSH bug, where the randomness source was compromised to the point where the system could only generate one of 32k keys in a set. I used g0tmi1k’s set of keys to compare against what I had in my database, and found a very large amount of users who are still using vulnerable keys, and even worse, have commit access to some
mircea_popescu: in other news, nobody uses ecdsa. considering what they spent trying to get people on it... such success.
mircea_popescu: lol compromised in the attack : spotify, python core and crypto libs, django and ruby.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: if you mean "nobody smart", then that's one thing, but if you mean in terms of actual numbers, then i'd probably have to disagree. shitloads of ecdsa ssh host public keys anyway (stats and breakdown to be published at some point in teh future)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger look at his data. 97.7% rsa, ~3% dss (!), ~0% other
Framedragger: would still be curious to write/find a tool which detects low hanging fruit for EC ssh host keys / keys with shitty parameters
Framedragger: i just wanted to quote this exact sentence lol - yeah another fruity area
mircea_popescu: "if you let the sheep in, the sheep scent soon follows."
mircea_popescu: romanian "nazi" press is having all the conceivable lolz because "the boss of the faggot jews" (ie, LGBTQ mission to Israel) is one Kurlander. (cur = ass in romanian, the poor guy's name sounds exactly on the money)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, they added another coupla letters to "lgbt" ? i wonder how long before it smashes the stack.
Framedragger: "LGBTQ2 refers to people who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer/questioning or two-spirited."
mircea_popescu: (ftr : gay -> LGB (lesbian, gay, bisexual) -> LGBT (+transgender) -> LGBTQ (+queer) -> LGBTQ+ (+algo mas) )
mircea_popescu: Framedragger are these the "fuck you, i'm a dragon" nuts ?
Framedragger: wikipedia mentions "navajo spirit" something something in connection with that acronym?!
mircea_popescu: incredible how much empty noise three people can make, especially should they be the sort of people who couldn't ever find a job, once liberated from the need to look for one.
Framedragger: the navajo gaze seems to originate at least in part from an article called something like the navajo spirit gaze
Framedragger: ""My own work differentiates the mere intersection of Native and queer representations from a two-spirit gaze by noting a two-spirit gaze’s greater focus on traditionalist, nationalist, and activist representations of community-identified two-spirit images.7 Given a critical mass in two-spirit Navajo film and the strength of Navajo cultural, feminist, and gender activism, this article foregrounds Navajo LGBTQ2 gazes on two-spirit Navaj
mircea_popescu: navajo feminist gender activism ? what the everloving.
Framedragger: article literally starts with quote "Two-Spirit people balance society, the world, and the cosmos."
Framedragger: i suppose this is "fuck you am dragon" territory?
mircea_popescu: the notion that "navajo culture" is ridiculous on its face. it's entirely built on equivocation between the term of art (EVERYTHING noetic is "a culture" in say anthropology) and the common term (no, the united states does not have a culture ; even if it has a civilisation. let alone fucking navajo - never had one, never could have had one.)
mircea_popescu: seriously though, one of the best meta-patterns. "this is how stupid people think things go." sort-of like the matchbox sign in clinical psychopathology : once you see the guy bringing you little boxes you know he's got Morgellons ; once he whips out the golf club patterns you know he's got stupid.
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Framedragger: mircea_popescu: heh can't find much on the internets for "golf club pattern" indeed, but also don't get its initial idea/appeal? O.O
mircea_popescu: back in 2010ish, some derps from us academia came with "proof" of the (at the time still called) global warming nonsense, in the shape of a much-loved-bymedia "golf cross pattern".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: what they had done was, take ~50 years of atmospheric data, "reconstruct" on its basis about 100k years of imaginary history, then show on the basis of this projection rebranded as "data" that TEMPERATURES ARE RAISING!!11\
mircea_popescu: a) a model that you could put anything in, such as the weighs or the ages of your past girflriends, to take out the same exact pattern
mircea_popescu: and b) a RICO-worthy criminal conspiracy, replete with fraud etc, to marginalize, intimidate and if need be assassinate "opponents" as defined by a group of nuts
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (that were trying to take over the public spending in this field)
Framedragger: yeahyeah the whole weather modelling in the future based on specific chosen parameters and models is hilarious, and gets regurgitated by media etc, i too have general aversion to this; does not mean that all of it is useless but hell if they don't show how they got there then that's even more ridiculous
mircea_popescu: no charges were pressed, of course, because silk road is totally where crime happens, rather than the back offices of each and every single ivy league "college" / real estate scam
mircea_popescu: Framedragger well yeah but this was a specific lulzpocalypse.
Framedragger: from what i recall IPCC is ripe with corruption
mircea_popescu: anyway, for argentine as well as any derps who have nfi what "night life" means : follow along the fucking pictures
http://www.clujlife.com with the knowledge that a) the nudes aren't published, by convention, but girls go naked all the time ; b) it's a tiny fucking town, half a mil population if the school's in session.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 09:54 mircea_popescu: ps : why is "common wisdom" in agreement that "no man could possibly hold 1mn lines of code in head" when i actually have 10mn words worth of trilema articles in my head ?
hanbot: lol kakobrekla is still in his self-justifying tailspin i see?
hanbot: i find the hypocrisy outrageous. so i guess i care.
hanbot: "ftr when he joined this place, it was purely about business and so was he. later he was wrapping business in propaganda, which is tolerable, as the core is solid. now he is wrapping propaganda in business wrap, at which point it becomes intolerable for any reasonable mind." << i don't, for example, seem to remember the same thing. at all.
mircea_popescu: lol. why's he keep lying anyway ? it didn't work the previous n times, gonna work next ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima fish out "how #b-a started" later, it's like two lines.
hanbot: for that matter Framedragger i start on that dpaste out of curiosity, run into "Getting out of the way: The most basic level is based on avoidingchallenging others’ delusions, and factoring them into your own thinking. The “organizing” merely involves arranging matters so things and people you care about are moved out of the way of an impending train wreck."
hanbot: maybe we're talking of very different people, or whatever. but i've never seen or heard of anyone more effervescently challenging of other's illusions than mp.
☟︎ diana_coman: asciilifeform> other reason is that most programmers don't write code in the sense that, e.g., mircea_popescu writes essays. instead, they take a shit, and strip away elements of the shit until the compiler is happy and the 'tests' pass. <- fwiw I don't think that those are programmers
diana_coman: in my book programmers are exactly those who write code as a rational creation
diana_coman: not monkeys pressing levers until the light turns on or whatever
diana_coman: in my days at uni I failed students precisely because of trying that idea
mircea_popescu: no but wait. WHY is it that programmers don't write like mp.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 10:30 mircea_popescu: speaking of that, asciilifeform any idea how it's possible that Submissions: 3305302 Known Moduli: 2708380 Moduli Waiting for Test: 3677 ? shouldn't these add up ?
☟︎ Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487858 << this i agree with! however, be it as it may i've never seen mp graciously accept to being wrong on some point. now, that *may* be because mp isn't wrong a whole lotta times, i contend, yes; but it's still hilarious to me (in a stimulating kind of way, fwiw). e.g. the chinese konspiraci thing, it was posted on qntra by mircea_popescu, and then later mircea_popescu says the theory is legit becau
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 12:32 hanbot: maybe we're talking of very different people, or whatever. but i've never seen or heard of anyone more effervescently challenging of other's illusions than mp.
Framedragger: now i know that some things should be taken in jest, metaphorically, generically, etc. still, i say "lol".
mircea_popescu: i wanted to fail the whole philosophy 101 class. mihu didn't think it such a good idea. short teaching career for me, thankfully.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 11:13 mircea_popescu: and b) a RICO-worthy criminal conspiracy, replete with fraud etc, to marginalize, intimidate and if need be assassinate "opponents" as defined by a group of nuts
mircea_popescu: damn i mean, diana_coman how many students can you fail.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger was not here for the famous xor thread i guess.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i'm wrong all the fucking time, at least as far as i can see. i guess not usually on thosethings people'd much rather i were wrong on
mircea_popescu: re the submissions : we couldn't have had lots of submissions without a rsa key in it, seeing how this is ssh set neh ?
thestringpuller: wow. maybe theymos has something with his r/bitcoin moderation: "Please, never ever turns Bitcoin into a democracy sh** thing. Be strong."
mircea_popescu: anyway, talk about "botnet market" bla bla : imagine if guy had where to use this, recoup closer to the 4fig.
diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> damn i mean, diana_coman how many students can you fail. <- myeah, I know; thing is also: they shouldn't have gotten that high to fail basically, not that many
diana_coman: I was just stating that I actually applied my definition, it's not just some random thing I came up with now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform his NAME is. he himself, no. but just like us soldier isn't worth the crap he took that morning, but us soldier dog tag is worth ~1mn or so on the ransom market...
mircea_popescu: it will continue to pay. perfect ransom victim : cheaper to pay than not to pay.
mircea_popescu: it will pay ransoms even as it can't pay to import grain
mircea_popescu: ~exactly how it went for rome~ also. and byzantium as well.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me run by you a crazy idea that came to me in my dazed state we'll approximate by "sleep"
mircea_popescu: suppose the correct solution to the "large systems" problem isn't exactly to use "strong typed" languages and in general, more minutely define the elements involved. suppose the solution in fact is to give up on the (nonsensical, in theory, and unfound in nature) notion of "unambiguous notation".
mircea_popescu: let three lines of A code be ambiguously interpretable to mean 5 different things, so that a million lines of A code become a very clearly useful, controllable item.
mircea_popescu: basically, instead of trying to achieve the moon-height skyscraper by investing in material rigidity, invest instead in a sort of... fault tolerance i guess you'd call it.
mircea_popescu: but the basis here is indisputable : if trilema were equally sized code, i'd be dead trying to maintain it.
mircea_popescu: (and yes, i'm studiously not setting foot on the ground you suggest - because you'd vaporize my entire thing in five seconds. so let's sit over here where it's safe.)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 12:27 asciilifeform: proggy does not compress. head does not have the handy lossy compressor, as for human text.
mircea_popescu: go the other way : why does it have to be a mechanism ? god knows people'v proven time and again they're perfectly happy with black boxen that do something vaguely related to what they expected 80% or so of the time.
mircea_popescu: but WHY is it possible to have a huffman table for human text in meat ?
mircea_popescu: but i meant in the general, as a theoretical possibility. how the fuck...
mircea_popescu: you could pursue your line, sure, "look, being genetically female is complex, which is why maledom is delta-encoded on one chromosome. speech is the same."
mircea_popescu: but then... there's no such thing as "speech", and children of random parents can learn random unrelated language.
mircea_popescu: in any case the historical argument is very dubious. people have nopt really been thinking ~in language~ before say kant.
mircea_popescu: they sure as fuck haven't before the greeks or w/e, that's not millions opf years.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, don't get me wrong, fucking larry drove me nuts, "open door", seriously ?
mircea_popescu: nothing actionable or useful that i can discern. just the simple observation that a) code the size of the body of work of respected past intellectuals is not maintainable by teams or individuals, while the writings were maintainable by the author solo ; b) the correct solution to scale is not increase in rigidity, but flexibility. which is how skyscrapers work or japan defends from earthquakes.
mircea_popescu: so it seems to me that perhaps we could say "obviously" the more strictly defined a language gets, the more catastrophic the necessary collapse of its large scale systems.
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487950 << for a brief spell only? i think there now may exist some inference systems which work on floating point / probabilistic truth-values? weasel words, would need to check, but wouldn't have thought it to have been a "brief spell" only?
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 13:20 asciilifeform: the 'fuzzy logic' thing was in style in '80s for a brief spell
mircea_popescu: (and in this sense, i view eg the debian key disaster thing as collapse, exactly like the tay bridge failure say)
Framedragger: alsoalso, graham priest's paraconsistent logic is an interesting thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as an ideal output, i would like a debian distro that says "you can't possibly mean to make these keys out of 32k sets ?!"
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> nothing actionable or useful that i can discern. just the simple observation that a) code the size of the body of work of respected past intellectuals is not maintainable by teams or individuals, while the writings were maintainable by the author solo ; b) the correct solution to scale is not increase in rigidity, but flexibility. which is how skyscrapers work or japan defends from earthquakes. <- fwiw the diffe
diana_coman: rence there is that "team of individuals" is pointedly not the original author
mircea_popescu: shinohai bet you he's gonna swallow the "nigger" thing without looking.
diana_coman: in same vein, a team is not able to maintain the body of work of respected past intellectual, sure
diana_coman: add to that the fact that the equivalent would be not exactly trying to maintain the work, but rather trying to maintain some layers of slime built on top of the work
Framedragger: (in paraconsistent systems, they try to "contain" cases when `p && ~p`. normally by principle of explosion you can prove anything (`1. p. 2. p || q [from 1, disjunctive addition.] 3. ~p [given.] 4. q [from 2. and 3.]`). these systems remove one or another inference rule (e.g. that p || q may follow from p, or double negation, or something else), or *suspend* it, in the fashion that some equations may have complex numbers as intermediary
mircea_popescu: diana_coman irl it worked as, to quote famous wilde tidbit, "i leave it to you to to fix the here's and there's".
Framedragger: values, but the imaginary terms get eventually nulled before the final solution.
mircea_popescu: so really, was team. author, editor, 2 people at least.
Framedragger: ^ maybe not even related that much, just intersting
mircea_popescu: diana_coman this is a dubious assertion, in the same vein we could say "ian murdock did the work, rest did gui" or w/e.
mircea_popescu: from my brief stint in publishing, i wouldn't swear the expert editor is less a contributor in the average book than the average author.
mircea_popescu: but then again that's the sort of why an' wherefore the kids think i'm an asshole.
diana_coman: I don't quite follow your analogy there I think
Framedragger: (what's nice with these paraconsistent systems is that they may not crumble down when encountering some or other kind of logical paradox.) </weird-rant>
mircea_popescu: you know, by the way, re my recent failed attempt to interact with the master, i found last week a notation from romania's genius poet EXPLAINIG THE SAME THING ?
mircea_popescu: apparently this was known by 2oyear olds in the 1800s. nuts.
diana_coman: I never quite got what you had so much against eminovici really
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i can't stand his conventional bullshit. he dared criticise (young) caraqiale for "poor morals" in plays ? the schmuck borrowed on his income months in advance to dress up and bullshit like that. he has a massive vein of "never got over mom" that i loathe in writers.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: not necessarily from godel! some kind of diagonalization may be reconstructed, i'm sure/heard. but being able to handle some classes or problems is interesting in itself.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: tackling godel's two theorems is another kind/level of undertaking, prolly...
mircea_popescu: actually, ima have to translate this. will put on trilema in a second. also gotta re-read this naggum... you folks have overwhelmed my real time processing, ima go bsod now and bbl.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, the "fucking hell who ever heard of a program that wants you to specify what you don't know" essay. i recall it, and imo it is very much substantial to my complaint.
mircea_popescu: MOST of the power of trilema relies on exactly this, that I don't have to IFDEF and DECLARE and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: which allows me to say intelligent things in such a way that pyramids many sayings deep can be effortlessly constructed, retain meaning and even nurture new meaning, and in general have all the attributes of art.
mircea_popescu: if a software project did as much importing as the average trilema article does, it'd be openssh.
mircea_popescu: that's kind-of a different level though. what does it even mean "to fail".
mircea_popescu: when i teach my not-so-new-anymore slavegirls how to think, a large chunk consists of "interpreting what is said" which all revolves around "build tree of all possible meanings, prune all meanings contradicted".
mircea_popescu: it's shocking how little the school system does to teach anyone anything. but anyway - what the program MEANS should be decided on the basis of what it can't possibly fucking mean,
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and i don't think it is ever acceptable for machine to make shitty rsa keys "because that's what i told it to".
Framedragger: yeah that's a different point, sure, and a good one it seems
Framedragger: the case with rsa keys - it would be very difficult to write it up / interpret it as per your idea though, i think? unless the case was explicitly declared before, and that would break the whole idea (negative meaning, not (only) positive/exhaustive meaning)
mircea_popescu: and no, this isn't cheap "do what i mean"-ism. when i say "the flower is blue and round is the sky", the notion that the flower is ROUND is invalidated not by what I mean, but by what everything means.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it's clear to me that in present computing paradigm it is outright impossible.
mircea_popescu: which is why i'm saying, there's not much actionable here. but just because i dunno what to do with it doesn't mean i don't get drunk and dream.
Framedragger: ..some kind of generic knowledge tree processing thing / semantic systems. someone must have made a small stab at this.. i mean there are natural language processing toolkits which build up context and work beyond straightforward syntax.. i don't know how well they are doing
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 14:13 mircea_popescu: it's shocking how little the school system does to teach anyone anything. but anyway - what the program MEANS should be decided on the basis of what it can't possibly fucking mean,
mircea_popescu: because the major trick here is - what i say isn't ACTUALLY ambiguous. it just requires very fine interpretation, which meshes well with a machine. in any case meshes well with the epistemic process that makes people engineers,
Framedragger: 1. all turtles are green. 2. bob is a turtle. 3. bob is red. => spit out contradiction / choice of rejecting one of these. if additional premises are made which connect to the former ones, then decide which to reject quantitatively, or something.
mircea_popescu: as proven by the fact that the girls in question start acting like one even if not specifically trained to be one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "can't possibly mean" is totally a thing.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: so i've heard! never approached it, sadly / to my detriment
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my slavegirls aren't tools, they're people. why should my computers be tools ? i've only two hands.
Framedragger: ..prolly easier to wait for generic a.i. and then just have it mesh with brainz, heh.
mircea_popescu: (ftr, this school of "Slave should be tool - simple as possible" exists, and its product is outrageous and ridiculous by turns. they do think themselves "the real" bdsm people though, against the method-acting larger set (hint : if the word "scene" is mentioned - method actors))
mircea_popescu: ask me "with what", get to see my samuel l jackson face
mircea_popescu: as in the joke with the romanian police and the bear, "give me this djinn for a week"
mircea_popescu: now, it is real easy to grant that "machine can't resolve because irl it takes more neurons than there's atoms in the cpu". but this is a total cop-out, i can string together an infinity of computers, as bitcoin has shown.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and yes, the google "ai" rule based bs is giving a bad name to all this, but abstracting the usg.idiots for a second, before we throw out the bath
Framedragger: (e.g. i agree with chomsky's "There is a notion of success ... which I think is novel in the history of science. It interprets success as approximating unanalyzed data." which does indeed suck.)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway. currently computers seem to me a sort of AB - alpha.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-22 04:02 mircea_popescu: yeah. but that doesn't change the fact the ~only intellectual in the entire north of the continent is that old jew talking to himself in a room.
diana_coman: imo you are on to something else there; computers at the moment are tools, hence programmed like tools and this is not something one can solve at programming level (hey, let's start training computers now and they will learn!)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman more importantly : they are tools, programmed as tools, expected to deliver untool likethings.
diana_coman: so that last part might be the trouble, true
mircea_popescu: if it's a fucking tool why the fuck are youtrying to build a 3mn loc item in it!
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i have yet to see him talk other than by himself in a room. were you hear for the discussion of brin the elder ?
diana_coman: it's actually part of why I quickly became disenchanted with the whole AI school (well, all of them really): I don't get why the focus on *always right* when no living intelligence (which is supposedly the model in any case) is *always* right
diana_coman: the rule-based thing is an atrocity and prolog urgh
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: do you mean Dolly the cloned sheep? i've heard of it, but only just
Framedragger: is that related to this currently discussed notion of "insisting on hard non-failing truth == unrealistic autism" (with which i agree)?
diana_coman: I guess the thing is that if one abandons this ideal of always true, the question that arises immediately is why then not train actual people in the first place instead of building something else to..train like people
mircea_popescu: diana_coman and the answer is obvious : something else dun menstruate.
mircea_popescu: which is how men ended up in the workforce in the first place
mircea_popescu: otherwise, i can't imagine who'd ever have wanted men for any purpose.
mircea_popescu: (i dunno how much you know / care about early industrialization - but it was ~all women)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 14:26 mircea_popescu: now, it is real easy to grant that "machine can't resolve because irl it takes more neurons than there's atoms in the cpu". but this is a total cop-out, i can string together an infinity of computers, as bitcoin has shown.
mircea_popescu: here's the problemn with this : at first, girl "just doesn'tr have" information on how to bake pastries. then she gets beaten (rarely), corrected (often, but in specific punctual detail) and made to work. then, magically, and i can't underscore this enough, MAGICALLY, she now HAS!!! the information.
mircea_popescu: she fucking had it from the get-go. this is inescapable.
mircea_popescu: computers, unlike people, have the advantage that no subjective "reasons" to blind self to it (~= menstruation)
Framedragger: surely said girl engaged in some kind of feedback process with the environment, internalizing some model which fits reality; so not wholly contained?
mircea_popescu: in this sense no item is ever contained, including anything made by texas instruments.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i chose it specifically because it can not be "conceptually" learned.
diana_coman: by this model, I'd say that those poor students I failed were actually trying to apply exactly mircea_popescu 's approach!
mircea_popescu: and THEN you will be able to bake, correctly, pastry you never even learned HOW to bake
Framedragger: girl internalizes environment which may include the beater who is giving her feedback, no?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman likely, which is the irony here. you can either have schooling for boys, or for girls.
mircea_popescu: once they mixed the genders they fucked it all up. THAT is why "stundent quality is on downspiral"
diana_coman: thing is: the results were atrocious really
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's fine, computer will outlast the millenium.
diana_coman: that thing when it *works* as in...now, this particular thing, don't change anything or it might all fall down
mircea_popescu: but while i don't for a second suspect you of gender politics, nevertheless, there you go, you did it to them. what now.
diana_coman: uhm, they got beaten (once), corrected punctually etc so they are just learning
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: hmm; but you did supply her with some "aesthetics" feedback, maybe even a floating point value, as in, "better/worse than before", perhaps
mircea_popescu: no dude, correctly made pastry is this self-obvious thing.
mircea_popescu: once you can make 'em it's darn obvious, and before it's impossibru and "vague" and throws fit
☟︎ Framedragger: so you're saying that this was purely incentive based thing, no external environment info
mircea_popescu: well... at least at first. that doesn't go so well so throws fit internally.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger no "peculiar" external info. obviously we're not dealing in spherical chickens here, so.. the sun lights all heads.
Framedragger: i mean you do sometimes want case sensitivity yknow; i guess question's regarding the default
Framedragger: asciilifeform: it throws 1 result which is when you searched for it, now..
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: sure.. well hm, i can see what you mean; dunno if example is sound, but i prob know even less about pastry heh
mircea_popescu: but to the more general point, Framedragger : the master's job is mostly to encourage and support the young woman TO ACTUALLY MAKE CHOICES. which is to say, exactly to distance herself from learned helplessness of the nature of diana_coman 's above mentioned " don't change anything or it might all fall down"
mircea_popescu: yes, it's broken, NOTICE it's broken, eat the scrambled egg, try again.
☟︎ Framedragger: mircea_popescu: ACK, and that is cool. i do understand re. master actually working *against* learned helplessness models, at least an *actual* master anyway hm
phf: asciilifeform: i'll fix it next. since it's all write from scratch i just need to figure out how to case insensitive boyer moore
diana_coman: that was not about helplessness though, but about the fact that a cake which is a cake only when you look at it from a certain angle, in a certain light, is NOT A CAKE
mircea_popescu: dude i have nfi, you keep saying this, then phfg comes on it turns out we do, then you say it again
mircea_popescu: diana_coman certainly not a cake. but it also has this passive "don't touch the instruments" educative value. womenz particularly vulnerable to this crap.
phf: asciilifeform: i'm not going to solve it for general case :>
diana_coman: yes, women care more because they bare the costs mainly and mostly
phf: ascii, cyrillic, greek, accents
mircea_popescu: hey, put koi to whatever equivalency in there while at it phf
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 14:51 mircea_popescu: yes, it's broken, NOTICE it's broken, eat the scrambled egg, try again.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ? if it fails to learn i just buy another computer.
mircea_popescu: also, no cooking mistake is EVER reversible. cooking is the paragon of irreversible process with a thermodynamics-supplied seal of certitude.
mircea_popescu: you're not taking some of the salt out of the soup, some of the heat out of the steak or anything from anything else.
mircea_popescu: (tbh, good programs and "results oriented" bs are rather orthogonal if not opposed concerns)
mircea_popescu: (which, incidentally, is in my professional judgement THE value proposition of free/open source. FORGET THE EATER!)
mircea_popescu: this is somewhat offset by the grim reality that all people can possibly ever do is waste.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-11 01:23 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480685 << no, this is the problem. a bunch of idiots would have to earn bread different way ; and ben_vulpes would be allowed to do something less idiotic with his time. that's the problem whenever derps get the reins - they drive the ship ashore and someone's stuck fishing it back out.
mircea_popescu: i suppose i might be the only intelligent male that never felt an inclination to off himself ? why's this so strange!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or a better question, "would mircea_popescu still be mircea_popescu if he were not mircea_popescu ???"
diana_coman: ahahah, the advantage of mircea_popescu's favourite approach: there will always be tons of garbage to clean off since a cake eaten is at least eaten, but crappy code is rarely totally obliterated
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you missed a spot, there's still some php garbage! i just run into some like yest
mircea_popescu: diana_coman bad code has much more staying power than good code.
mircea_popescu: it is easier to understand, which seems a major factor in code survival.
diana_coman: but why is anyone trying to understand it! they should just bang it into shape , not understand it ffs!!!
mircea_popescu: "i understand ruby! put it in docker and rub puppett on your clittie!"
☟︎ diana_coman: well, maybe understand its outputs, but not the actual code surely, what heresy is this
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 13:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "can't cut from shakespeare"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 15:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope, he'd be one of the 9,999 failed everettescus
a111: Logged on 2016-06-08 02:10 mircea_popescu: $google 1961 goldsboro crash
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 15:10 asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is what i was trying to get across with the 'bad flying only kills a busful, bad program - potentially everyone' example
mircea_popescu: during those 50 years they raise a woman's children by another man.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 14:28 Framedragger: there was a post about statistical/ML approach vs. (one of) rule-based approach(es) just recently, i haven't read it yet,
http://norvig.com/chomsky.html (inb4 ad hominem alf's norvig iz usg pawn :P )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the definition of the term "chump" is "he who will not eat nagant under any circumstances"
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I don't think so; it's from being a chump maybe?
diana_coman: heh, I guess I'm saying the same thing as mircea_popescu there
mircea_popescu: and in any case, the bias is from genetics. the genes you carry have their own little chess game going and you're the pawn. much like... well, everything else.
diana_coman: in my experience chumps do not want to escape
mircea_popescu: girl explained this to me as to the amorous life of teenagers. they don't want sex as much, she said, with its icky dirty scary reality, as they want the possibility of having it, which is endorphin ladden goodness.
diana_coman: well, my first experience as an employee, while still studying: something goes wrong and I'm the only one to make a fuss about it
mircea_popescu: they only learn to regret going home to sleep alone after 2osomething
diana_coman: them: why make a fuss? you'll get used to it
a111: Logged on 2016-05-05 13:03 asciilifeform: the thermodynamic 'taboo against the coincidence' is described in, oddly enough, winnie pooh! '"Well," said Pooh, "what I like best," and then he had to stop and think. Because although Eating Honey was a very good thing to do, there was a moment just before you began to eat it which was better than when you were, but he didn't know what it was called.'
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 15:19 diana_coman: me: I do NOT WANT TO GET USED TO IT
mircea_popescu: i don't have a specific conception of wanting to be anything in particular.
mircea_popescu: moreover, that makes the bearer wide open to all sorts of manipulation.
diana_coman: I only had a very clear idea of what I do NOT want really; at least when presented with the thing
mircea_popescu: i can't say i've ever spent any mental time aiming not to be jwz.
diana_coman: I really had no idea of what I wanted to be or even do; maybe what you mean is that people have basically some sort of personal ethics and they stick to them come what may
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's clear that "wanting to be" eg "writer" is how the aspie 14%, the worthless but ambitious, useful idiots are recruited
mircea_popescu: socialist state or no socialist state, they're the wanna-bes.
mircea_popescu: (ftr, there's an entire subculture of these, on west coast. you can fill a 2 acre pool estate with them in bikinis, they'll swiggle around while the pot lasts.)
mircea_popescu: if they do or if they don't... i dun think they'll notice.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole thing is a "gun control" ie, make the us as "immigrant"-friendly as rotterham, uk. bullshit.
mircea_popescu: well... did the muslim terrorist at least shoot all the black victims ?
mircea_popescu: seems like a pretty shiutty choice. bad weapon all around : low caliber shitty ammo for hard targets, poor accuracy and overpenetration for soft targets
mircea_popescu: so the idea that the very much "machine gun fired by bozo" line on the bottom is... ricochet ? or wtf ?
mircea_popescu: that can't be 9mm. really it can't be 38 either, looks like a 22
mircea_popescu: (why by bozo ? because he fired 7 in a row and has miserable enough control of the gun that he swings left-right etc)
mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean compare those marks with the tank machine gun lookiung holes above
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm no ballistics expert, but seriously, those holes all made by same tool ?
mircea_popescu: i guess it could be that the bottom came in at a very wide angle, which in iutself is kinda stupid, but the marks are too round for that.
mircea_popescu: but they're not randomly distributed! the 7 light marks on bottom clearly came from one burst.
mircea_popescu: the mega dent up right of hole came from, likely, a howitzer.
mircea_popescu: this is how it works yes. gotta have fuckroom or is not a bar, and if not a bar not a nighlife.
trinque: yeah that's not super unlikely at a gay bar
mircea_popescu: srsly, you people never fuck "on the first date" girl you met at disco ?
trinque: certainly have, but elsewhere
trinque: though the room would be more convenient
trinque: most music venues have a piss stained closet with a line a mile long
mircea_popescu: room has drawbacks. toilets - easy to clean. the shag gets dubious while the tile stays... white. ish.
mircea_popescu: (but yes, this is at least 50% of why girl has to wear heels and be tall to begin with. 50% of the rest is the leyla black. and other such things)
mircea_popescu: should they also get a govt uniform ? be in goose-step with the times ?
mircea_popescu: well, the guy who was playing counterstrike and had fambly killed certainly scored 0 personally.
trinque: that'd be quite a lot of people being usg agents claiming to witness him shooting people
trinque: certainly both he and the cops shot people
trinque: anything else is an absurd stretch
trinque: this one worked private security neh?
trinque: had to have been able to hit *one*
mircea_popescu: well, bar's crowded, gun's alright, he's gotta have managed at least a few.
trinque: so g4s does no weapons training? (former employer)
trinque: oddly same company that spun off a subsidiary that was running guantanamo
trinque: I'll have to do moar googling, but I'd expect a company that was running guantanamo would be closer to mercs than mall cops
trinque: could of course have both under one roof
trinque: if they are mercs, it leans me more tinfoil-hat than you've expressed, even..
trinque: there was the same "multiple shooters" chatter around orlando as many other events
trinque: G4S has previously been accused of improperly vetting its employees. In 2009, Danny Fitzsimons, a former British paratrooper and employee of a G4S subsidiary, killed two colleagues in Iraq, claiming to be “the antichrist” and saying he “must satisfy” his “bloodlust.” << wouldn't blow my mind that $lizardhitler has a drug that induces this
☟︎ trinque: or they just find loose cannons and groom them for a while
mats: have there been any other 1k+ btc 'coin destruction' events like the one orchestrated by counterparty?
mats: yeah I looked in my log, my search fu is weak
gribble: phf was last seen in #trilema 3 hours, 17 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <phf> ascii, cyrillic, greek, accents
phf: oh, interesting, that's odd
phf: logger still keeping log..
phf: killing a couple of threads "fixed" the issues, but i'm not sure what the problem was :/
trinque: what www thinger do you use? hunchenfart?
phf: i'd rather not answer, since i'll be mocked incessantly by mr asciilifeform for it
ben_vulpes: > latest patch to source tree from january 2006
ben_vulpes: and it's *still* too newfangled hipster by some metrics.
phf: well, to be fair it's not very good, but it hosted cliki for 10 years, easier to hack on than hunchentoot on account of having simpler design and i'm trying to make it sling byte arrays
phf: (a much harder task in hunchentoot)
phf: i once managed to follow rainer joswig's instructions to bring cl-
http up, but i couldn't reproduce it last time i tried
phf: maybe i should see if i can get it working on cmucl and adopt it as my default server, hmmm. it does look hell of overengineered
phf: you only say that because you think sbcl is somehow "clean". chrodes managed a very neat hack, a build system improvement, that's where neat hacks have ended, and modernization began, but it's not like the legacy cmucl codebase somehow disappeared from sbcl
phf: (actually bill newman, not christophe rhodes)
phf: well, native threads were added to sbcl at the expense of good gc
phf: cmucl doesn't have threads not because it's a baby system. it doesn't have threads because sbcl both made adding functionality of that nature easier and canibalized developers from cmucl
phf: well, tradeoffs that sbcl made are more in line with modern practices, so there was a transition from old and stodgy cmucl to new and shiny sbcl
phf: main thing sbcl did is improve build system at the expense of some of the subsystems (an interpret mainly)
phf: which allowed for more rapid development cycles
phf: well, then you should continue working with it :)
phf: i find 1s eval delays unacceptable when i'm in the zone
☟︎ phf: right this very moment, probably nothing
phf: oh, shit, sorry, i'm late for something, i'll pick up this conversation later
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488111 << the guy's defense, notably, "yes it's collecting butterflies - there's nothing wrong with that" is actually tendentious. it's NOT collecting butterflies. yes, it COULD BE, but i don't see any of that happening. just a bunch of "we have butterflies in this black box, come hear about our weight loss ideas" typically ustarded marketing and "engineering"
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 14:30 Framedragger: (e.g. i agree with chomsky's "There is a notion of success ... which I think is novel in the history of science. It interprets success as approximating unanalyzed data." which does indeed suck.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ethereum difficulty is, if memory serves, ~50TH. so about half that.
mircea_popescu: (it went up by about 4x since last year. hardware's the most expensive part of a scamcoin.)
mircea_popescu: let's follow this. so i mine the next block. 49% guy mines the 2nd. i build on mine.
mircea_popescu: they can do whatever they want. 51% means they don't get to have an opinion.
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is EXACTLY what technology debt means. apply bullshit "fixes" as MIT & co bright minds produce,
mircea_popescu: end up stuck forever defending nuclear waste under heavy guard.
mircea_popescu: "anyone who ever gets 51% can fuck up this historical item worth this many mn coins. hurr!"
mircea_popescu: how the ever living fuck, they're not smart enough ?! they're not educated enough, not experienced enough,
mircea_popescu: it's almost like the seeds of disaster are by now epigenetic, the population carries them like the swine carry ascari lumbricoides.
mircea_popescu: understand : ethereum pretends to be 1/10 of btc financially, while it is 1/10`000`000 hash-wise and outright 1/infinity technologically.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the top article contains comment saying guy got 17mh on one core out of 5 on modest card.
mircea_popescu: "yes, under arbitrary restrains you propose on random particular avenue, things can't be done" tm.
mircea_popescu: it's not altogether clear anyone bothered to bake one yet.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they use some shit supposedly memory hard, whatever.
mircea_popescu: which they intend to CHANGE anyway, so it's a bit iffy to bake for the idiots.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's mostly "cloud" bullshit anyway, so don't regard any of this as peculiarly reliable info.
mircea_popescu: i am actually suspecting something like this exists in ethereum, but meh, not worth the chase atm.
mircea_popescu: "if man had kalash, why'd man stop at orlando gay bar"
mircea_popescu: an identity crisis with generous sidings of inferiority complex if i ever saw one.
mircea_popescu: nono, that never happened. hanno boeck published it first!
mircea_popescu: i'm in the enviable position of not really needing a cv for anything.
jurov: Framedragger: I started fetching the keys shortly after they cleaned them
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "And yes, it seems clear that an adult speaker of English does know billions of language facts (for example, that one says "big game" rather than "large game" when talking about an important football game). These facts must somehow be encoded in the brain. "
mircea_popescu: "an adult who paid attention in calculus does in fact know billions of numeric facts (for example, that one says 45345333×54353453=2464675425984849 rather than 95). these facts must somehow be encoded in the brain."
mircea_popescu: anyway. the best point in the entire piece is the observation that probabilistic models are much better at making sense of linguistic evolution. for this reason alone they're prolly worth looking into.
deedbot: diametric voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 16:19 asciilifeform: random fire dun hit much in a 3d world.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 16:28 asciilifeform: this is elementary.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 16:32 trinque: G4S has previously been accused of improperly vetting its employees. In 2009, Danny Fitzsimons, a former British paratrooper and employee of a G4S subsidiary, killed two colleagues in Iraq, claiming to be “the antichrist” and saying he “must satisfy” his “bloodlust.” << wouldn't blow my mind that $lizardhitler has a drug that induces this
mircea_popescu: clinical pcp is a lot more boring, in general, but not universally.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 16:34 asciilifeform: (the dope is for when you need minister of finance whateverthefuck to start spewing rubbish on camera, or jump from his window with only mild assistance, etc)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 17:33 asciilifeform: usg coin has 100% usg-compliant minerz? nyooz at 11.
mircea_popescu: there's ~one ethereum trader and ~one ethereum miner, in the sense there's ~one person in any set of clothes. some mites etc also there, but they generally "don't count".
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 17:36 asciilifeform: the peter todd turd is a true classic of its genre: 'we gotta commit an atrocity. but we first will get CONSENSOOOS!!1111 so then it won't be an atrocity, fuckyou. and btw we control the vertical and the horizontal and all the votez, so fuckyou.x2'
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 18:59 phf: i find 1s eval delays unacceptable when i'm in the zone
shinohai: The things one finds rummaging around.
shinohai: Cries for Hard fork abound in the ethereum subreddit due to the new message sent by the hacker via Bitcoin Suisse
☟︎ shinohai: the link is in the curl asciilifeform lemme see which block
gribble: trinque was last seen in #trilema 3 hours, 55 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <trinque> what www thinger do you use? hunchenfart?
trinque: I should hit this thing with a bot and run his bandwidth bill up
phf: thestringpuller: sexp hard or go home
trinque: thestringpuller: nah not yet; I'll let you know
trinque: though you may want to use the sexp. I wrote deedbot such that it doesn't actually care much about SQL
trinque: intention being to replace the sql db with a CLOS one when I bother
thestringpuller: phf: i'll have to write lisp to import it into a new sql db
trinque: itt thestringpuller learns to lisp ass first
trinque: sgt asciilifeform hazes another conscript into tears
trinque: thestringpuller: dumping db 1sec
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 22:15 shinohai: Cries for Hard fork abound in the ethereum subreddit due to the new message sent by the hacker via Bitcoin Suisse
a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 21:05 jurov: Framedragger: I started fetching the keys shortly after they cleaned them
mircea_popescu: aha, but enemy hasn't, for a while, then we started talking about it and welll...
Framedragger: don't get your hopes of grandeur up folks, the timeline may simply fit
Framedragger: could have been multiple instances of cleansing, unknown, i guess
mircea_popescu: in fairness i had no idea of this whole bejojo thing, so.
Framedragger: but it's "in the logz!!" :D (first mentioned by me, earlier today) yeah nvm
Framedragger: "i should think better about where i live, next time"
Framedragger: i think 5am or 6am BST last results come in or sth
Framedragger: scotland is like 70% for remain iirc? theirs are coming at 5am maybe, but then scotland is smallish
mircea_popescu: but i mean, the predictions throughout are a complete joke. newcastle predicted 66/33 actual 50/49
mircea_popescu: anyway, so what'll an independent uk do ? petition to join puerto rico ?
Framedragger: soo "pound drops after sunderland result", yeah heh
Framedragger: no see they'll renegotiate a better ttip deal, all by themselves
mircea_popescu: heh. treaties aren't binding more than you know, greek debt is
mircea_popescu: maybe uk joins syria, iran and labia in new commonwealth.
trinque: isn't that what nationalists do? tear up treaties?
mircea_popescu: that'd be pretty good, muslims never had an airstrip one.
Framedragger: yeah i wonder what imperial rule would do there huh
Framedragger: my imagination is dry in regards to what interesting things uk could do. maybe uk is simply that glib and uninspiring
mircea_popescu: in other news, google search can't actually see inside facebook can it.
mircea_popescu: they got a problem don't they ? missing out on most of the shannonized / markov chained "content" production these days
Framedragger: orly, but it used to be able to, no? that's what every shitsite wants, for search engines to index, but not to show same stuff to unregistered visitors (linkedin does that with google vs. users i think..)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger afair it had a deal back in 2010ish ? with twitter too ; then twitter backed out, was a bit of a scandal, then i gues fb backed out quietly.
mircea_popescu: i've but a vague memory, i keep about as close tabs on this shitshow as i do on github.
mircea_popescu: anyway, facebook apparently also does this "we'll archive by default ANYTHING linked from our pages and serve it from our own servers. this way we don't leak ips etc, and so nobody will ever figure out just how few users we have."
Framedragger: heheheh. some kind of insecurity of "no don't leave our site, look we collected your shit for you!"
Framedragger: that's your shit right there. and some ads. on the shit
mircea_popescu: well, exactly like pili, except the weak-ass l is replaced by the zdrongezt consonant known to man.