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asciilifeform: going up the stack, i dun see successful gambler as == to 'was covered'
asciilifeform: elsewise shitfinex's 'insurance' will have been 'legit' right up to its total disappearance from the record.
asciilifeform: and jon corzine was a crook.
mircea_popescu: yeah, not at all contemplated here, such nonsense.
asciilifeform: and obamite.
asciilifeform: and would have still been a crook if he had won his bets and lost 0.
asciilifeform: just an ~undiscovered~ bezzlemeister.
mircea_popescu: at some point you'll have to understand bitcoin scarcity.
mircea_popescu: unlike fiat, there specifically ISNT as much of this as anyone could ever need.
asciilifeform: if mr thief picks mircea_popescu 's pocket, goes to the races, wins, and put the money back, he is still a pickpocket ☟︎
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu in the right to collect his balls
asciilifeform: if catches him.
mircea_popescu: surte.
asciilifeform: and cash being fungible, mircea_popescu won't blink when he notices that his pocket had a hundie five minutes ago but now has 5 20s, right ?
asciilifeform: or will he.
asciilifeform: what am i missing ?
mircea_popescu: hm ?
asciilifeform: re bbet example and the 5 20s.
asciilifeform: the coin movement is a bit of information.
asciilifeform: to say 'aint no such thing as taint' is great that bit is there, like the light from a distant star, it carries info.
asciilifeform: like the hundie that turned, 'spontaneously', to 5 20s.
asciilifeform: *but that bit is there
mircea_popescu: that bit is there to the owner of the pocket. in thsi case, bitbet. not you.
asciilifeform: if i can see it, i can see it.
asciilifeform: i am under no obligation to close my eyes.
mircea_popescu: you may think you see whatever ; for all you know some guy "sees" the true meaning of pgp signatures.
asciilifeform: fact is, it moved. MAYBE to other pocket of same guy, maybe not. but MOVED.
mircea_popescu: they spell out 666 JOO
asciilifeform: vs if it had not moved, i can see that it had not.
asciilifeform: which carries a bit of actionable info re risk assessment.
asciilifeform: and yes, there IS chance that key was lost
asciilifeform: or owner - dead
asciilifeform: but compare this with EV of 'bitcoin invest' on shitfinexes.
mircea_popescu: apparently voodoo is just hard to let go of.
asciilifeform: it aint voodoo if it works. ☟︎
asciilifeform: wanna demonstrate why i merely hallucinate that it works?
asciilifeform: and the starlight carries 0 info
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
asciilifeform: i can already guess where this will go.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-13#1520349 <<<>>> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-13#1520324 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-13 00:10 asciilifeform: it aint voodoo if it works.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-13 00:03 asciilifeform: if mr thief picks mircea_popescu 's pocket, goes to the races, wins, and put the money back, he is still a pickpocket
mircea_popescu: at least we get to admire your intellectual flexibility!
asciilifeform: burden of proof will be on asciilifeform , not on wotless wonder znort
mircea_popescu: burden of proof applies to meaningful statements. there's no burden of proof here, as this inference isn't even wrong.
asciilifeform: P(coins lost | coins moved) > P(coins lost | coins stayed put).
asciilifeform: there, testable.
mircea_popescu: lol.
asciilifeform: or, at least, observable.
asciilifeform: this is a usable hypothesis, and the smart money will use it, just as it uses 'if train engineer drinks, he is more likely to cause bloodbath than if does not drink'.
mircea_popescu: it's not even a hypothesis.
asciilifeform: you can take' it to the bank '.
mircea_popescu: it's a "if god exists he has 10 minutes to strike me down" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: o look, mussolini's a theologian now.
asciilifeform: i get it, mircea_popescu has this 'if we pretend coin movement carries 0 bits of info to the enemy, mebbe it will become true' thing going.
asciilifeform: i dun see how it worx.
mircea_popescu: no. "coin movement" carries no information ; anyone may pretend otherwise at their leisure.
asciilifeform: yaya.
asciilifeform: my arse movements prolly carry info
mircea_popescu: it's a ridiculous stance, but whatever, people did PROVE that "she's a witch, but we did do the nose" etcetera.
mircea_popescu: hey, it's integral part of modern man's damnation that he flatters himself so.
asciilifeform: btw if mircea_popescu wants to do a shannon-style proof a la otp bits, i'm all ears.
asciilifeform: (recall thread?)
mircea_popescu: there is no such proof to be had ; you are simply pretending to glue together things that don't exist in the same domain.
asciilifeform: proof can always be had.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing here ; your presupositions can't be admitted. there's no way to do science o nthis.
mircea_popescu: mno. proof can be had on meaningful representations. not on random strings.
asciilifeform: tell me how 'coin moved' is not equivalent to 'coin may have moved to addr that mover dun have the key to and aint ever giving it back'.
mircea_popescu: "is this ball bluer than the number 5 ???"
mircea_popescu: "what ?"
mircea_popescu: "proof can always be had!!11"
asciilifeform: MAY have.
mircea_popescu: may doesn't rescue you from the fact that you're purporting to compare the results of two functions that may never return at the same time.
asciilifeform: sorta like 'wife MAY have fucked stranger last night, when she was out, but not THIS night, she was tied up in basement'
mircea_popescu: except you don't have a wife.
asciilifeform: i tell ya, i dun see it.
mircea_popescu: aite.
asciilifeform bbl, will go think.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/etude/ << Trilema - Etude
asciilifeform: i tell ya, whole classes of coin loss universe that are possible given 'coin moved' - can be immediately ruled out if coin has not moved.
asciilifeform: for instance, 'sold for usd.'
mircea_popescu: it's all getting oneself drunk on spring water.
asciilifeform: next mircea_popescu will tell me that P(aids|shoots heroin) is not > P(aids|clean), etc.
mircea_popescu: entirely unrelated items.
asciilifeform: and that the actuarial alarm bell is my 'drunk on springwater.'
mircea_popescu: if there existed good physical models for bitcoin we wouldn't have either the problems or the interest.
asciilifeform: fact is , what has not been spent, could not have been mis-spent.
asciilifeform: lost key ? yes. meteor fell ? yes. ww3? yes. spent ? no.
mircea_popescu: unless you didn't hear the block.
asciilifeform: which sooooo happens every fucking day, aha.
asciilifeform: mno.
asciilifeform: 'it's in the next block!'
asciilifeform: the check is in the mailz!
mircea_popescu: if you think you "hear all transactions" you'll have a lot of weird to explain.
asciilifeform: if a year later nobody heard a tx, and nobody showed it to me, it dun exist. proof or gtfo.
mircea_popescu: oh, and this year is what, in the protocol ?
asciilifeform: taken arbitrary length here.
mircea_popescu: your discussion of p's from afore somehow morphed into "proof or gtfo" ? what nonsense is this.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: go, take whatever voodoo water you will ; and don't ask me to sign off on it.
asciilifeform: but burden of proof is on fella who says 'i've been trying to get this tx mined since obama presidency and nobody includes it in block because they are joooz' is on the claimant.
asciilifeform: who - as incidentally mircea_popescu did - shows the tx.
asciilifeform: if he wants to be believed.
mircea_popescu: the only burden of proof is on ridiculous short man with napoleon delusions giving god ultimatums and then pretending the "burden of proof", as if such a thing could even exist in the nonsensical context, is on this or that.
asciilifeform: (if he dun care whether anyone believes, naturally he dun have to show nuffin)
mircea_popescu: lettuce talk of something else for i tire of the nonsense.
asciilifeform: ahahaha argumento ad dirigible.
asciilifeform: if there's nothing else, i've nothing.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing to be had, no.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/wCuPt << not quite related lelz
asciilifeform: 'The fate of Liu Dawei that would lead him to a life sentence conviction began on July, 2014. Then 18-year-old, gun enthusiast Liu placed an online order to purchase 24 replica firearms from a Taiwanese website ...'
asciilifeform: ^ reminiscent of usg trials for faux dope.
asciilifeform: 'The judge said, based on the law, smuggling over 20 firearms should be given death sentence. However, the judge added that considering Liu’s young age at the time when the crime was committed, the court thus handed down a life sentence instead.'
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/il-magnifico-cornuto/ << Trilema - Il Magnifico Cornuto
mircea_popescu: and in other morning woods, http://66.media.tumblr.com/701d810f1637a939d18ab7be48978c5a/tumblr_mtwlruT11G1qkkvmmo1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/student-takes-porn-star-cherry-7445540 << anyone know this dude ? should totally be in teh wot. ☟︎
shinohai: wow Tenn the guy lives mebbe 6 hours from me lol
mircea_popescu: that's a ways neh ?
shinohai: good little drive yeah
mircea_popescu: for some reason i had thought you were in yurp.
shinohai: Nah I live close to that shithole Atlanta.
shinohai: Maybe Europe for retirement
mircea_popescu: aok
shinohai: Though I could just move to Colombia and start a harem, as you suggest
mircea_popescu: not really what i suggest to an us retiree no.
shinohai: xD
mircea_popescu: continuing the reporting of meatballs : http://66.media.tumblr.com/73b381e2224830142813a64385195d61/tumblr_mrdibgh98k1qea16ro1_500.jpg
asciilifeform: in other noose, https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/08/12/guccifer-2-0-hacked-dccc
asciilifeform: in moar interesting noose, https://theintercept.com/2016/08/12/canadian-man-killed-during-police-raid-had-built-online-life-around-supporting-isis << canadian fella, 'under government surveillance due to his social media postings and had received a judicial order in February banning him from use of the internet' shot by police after, supposedly, setting off inept bomb.
asciilifeform: ( see also : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-10#1296163 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-10-10 17:48 mircea_popescu: "here's the laws and and if you don't like it, you can leave" "i'll go join the people that'll fuck you up" "o wait you can't leave" "does that mean you admit your laws are dumb ?" "nope" "does that make you a hypocritical idiot ? " "no it doesnt!!1"
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: anyway - the statal response to this sort of "situation" is very much modelled on the bomb disarming philosophy : "oh, you want to blow ? fine, now you have to, while we try to manipulate the context so that you're not effective"
asciilifeform: how else.
mircea_popescu: ie, "order to stay away from the internet" etc.
asciilifeform: waco set the gold standard.
asciilifeform: (it had no net access but they cut its phone, mail, visitors off.)
mircea_popescu: hence the importance of denying the state reach.
mircea_popescu: not a hard task, either : its reach has to be negative.
mircea_popescu: the difference between qntra article detailing embarrassing illiteracy of uk supreme court and cancer cell the surgeon missed is just about nil.
asciilifeform: 'kick the dog till it bites, then shoot it' is standard anglo approach, from boer war, to ww2 japan, to every poor motherfucker like the one in link ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the brits have ~nothing on usa: we have a whole supreme court judge here who is solidly suspected of illiteracy
asciilifeform: (sotomayor)
asciilifeform: bush's 'wise latina' (his phrasing)
mircea_popescu: hey, rice is a fine example of us "academic"
asciilifeform: i suppose now that these are stamped out by the thousand, they are ~unremarkable.
mircea_popescu: kind-of.
mircea_popescu: i dunno who recalls the history of irc ; but for the sake of recording : it was originally a finnish bb extension ; it quickly spread throughout finland then to swedish network ; then various us universities applied to be accepted and were. then it was used to report on the gorbachev coup, through a "media blocade", after being similarly useful during the gulf war.
mircea_popescu: ie, irc is what "social media" idly pretends to have been. notwithstanding that digg and myspace went away, as reddit and facebook will go away. irc has been here throughout, and will probably see the successor websites putting forth the same sort of plowing flies idle pretensions. for idiots to believe ; and everyone else to laugh.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/buenos-aires-that-southern-village/ << Trilema - Buenos Aires, that southern village.
mircea_popescu: obviously, deed-and-paste is much more reliable for a disrupted flow sort of situation. more generally : improvements can and do exist. it's just that they never come from the state.
asciilifeform: whatever even happened to the finns...
asciilifeform: recall penet.fi?
asciilifeform: the ~original~ 'lavabit', if you will.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the russians happened ot the fins.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they 'happened' to them during peter I
asciilifeform: and a couplea times since.
asciilifeform: (prior to all of which, there were, of course, no finns as such, but buncha backwater swedes...)
mircea_popescu: yeah. one of those times since putin.
mircea_popescu: just like the us carefully popped each and every single bulb in the previous "club of unalligned nations", russia fucked around with its better neighbours.
mircea_popescu: yugo - gone ; egypt - gone ; worth looking through the list, it's pretty much the dod blueprint.
asciilifeform: when i was a boy, mother went, briefly, to finland, and came back with tales of unfathomable civilization, with megatechnological wonders such as clean streets, japanese cars, and tv sets with REMOTES
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-13#1520430 << complementing this, >> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/secret-porn-star-professor-suspended-7542679 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-13 12:54 mircea_popescu: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/student-takes-porn-star-cherry-7445540 << anyone know this dude ? should totally be in teh wot.
asciilifeform: in even lulzier noose, http://thefactcoalition.org/worlds-largest-banks-endorse-ending-anonymous-shell-companies <<< does this mean that Crypto Ag will be unmasked??!1111
asciilifeform: $s crypto ag
a111: 8 results for "crypto ag", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=crypto%20ag
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: "hey, you got bitcoin now, time to end this nonsensical abomination" "okaY"
asciilifeform: bbbbut gunpowder is deviltry, no christian would...
asciilifeform: or was that in some other time or place.
asciilifeform: incidentally, mircea_popescu's article with the 'brujula' (compass), i could not help but wonder, is this same root as 'bruja' (witch) ?
mircea_popescu: i would expect, yes.
asciilifeform: witcherator.
mircea_popescu is not an expert on moor etymologies.
asciilifeform: well magnetism is sorcery no less than pyrotechnics, neh?
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: besides the navigators were italian dutch and portuguese, not really spanish.
asciilifeform: i can picture spanish passengers, muttering 'witchery'
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: moreover this is the answer an actually competent scholar would give to amateur efforts a la yarvin's "oh, how could these people believe such nonsense WITHOIUT EVIDENCE".
mircea_popescu: that evidence doesn't meet your standard is irrelevant - stuff like "ship across atlantic" very neatly met theirs.
mircea_popescu: "we are living in a time of witchdom, how else did the ocean get bridged"
asciilifeform: which nonsense
mircea_popescu: unawareness of such "invisible" subtleties then lead one on wild goose chases of theoretical constructs with little basis in anything but tobacco he smoked.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall, guy has a piece about witches and whatnot.
asciilifeform: hm
mircea_popescu: somewhere in the foundations of his "unitarian church" series.
asciilifeform: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/09/technology-communism-and-brown-scare.html << ?
mircea_popescu: aha!
asciilifeform: 'Obviously, if the witches had any power whatsoever, they wouldn't waste their time gallivanting around on broomsticks, fellating Satan and cursing cows with sour milk. They're getting burned right and left, for Christ's sake! Priorities! No, they'd turn the tables and lay some serious voodoo on the witch-hunters. In a country where anyone who speaks out against the witches is soon found dangling by his heels from an oak at midni
asciilifeform: ght with his head shrunk to the size of a baseball, we won't see a lot of witch-hunting and we know there's a serious witch problem. In a country where witch-hunting is a stable and lucrative career, and also an amateur pastime enjoyed by millions of hobbyists on the weekend, we know there are no real witches worth a damn.' << this struck me as reasonable observation.
mircea_popescu: it is ; but this isn't the problem. the problem is that he's proceeded in the "Scientific American" manner of contemporary MIT engineering. he created a "hockey stick pattern" out of putting some data through a process that always yields a hockey stick pattern ; data that he's obtained from extrapolating a tiny dataset of dubious relevancy (ie, last week's tv guide contents).
mircea_popescu: the objection is methodological. i am saying yarvin is not a thinker.
mircea_popescu: his results don't enter into this discussion.
asciilifeform: less than this.
asciilifeform: whole piece was a reaction to gawker successfully raping paul graham.
mircea_popescu: moreover, his notions of paul graham as the victim scarcely meet yours. for that matter mine - it is rare to see a confessed ponzi fraudster go free to "advise" young people on "their careers".
mircea_popescu: i don't see at this point what exactly could happen to graham that'd be on the strength of his public record unwarranted.
asciilifeform: if he is eaten by weevils, it will be quite warranted imho.
asciilifeform: the problem, possibly, is that we get a multitude of fat, emboldened weevils.
mircea_popescu: there is that. but then again - we don't care about results, purpose or consequence here at tmsr.
mircea_popescu: we just proceed from cause.
asciilifeform: there is 'proceed from cause, damn the torpedoes' but there is also 'first ecstasy, then laundry.'
mircea_popescu: sorry, i couldn't hear you over the moans. then there's what ?
asciilifeform: no rush.
mircea_popescu: it may surprise the esteemed audience to find that i have never ever done laundry, in any capacity. not as much as load a load into a machine.
mircea_popescu: this wasn't a deliberate thing. it just never happened. i fully intend to do it once, if i have occasion.
asciilifeform: it will likely surprise no one if mircea_popescu tells also that he has never tied own shoes with own hands.
asciilifeform: etc.
mircea_popescu: very similarly to how i fully intend to jack off once. just as soon as i have occasion.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is what folks have in mind that go livid just after muttering "privilege" with clenched fists.
mircea_popescu: awell.
asciilifeform: dunno, at one point, in civilized cities, ~only specially-grown laundry nuns did laundry, everybody else just dropped coin in the basked and off it went
mircea_popescu: you still gotta put it in the basket...
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu , what, throws it in the air, the gurlz catch ?
mircea_popescu: i literally throw my clothes around the house, yes.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this sounds closer to parody than anything by now huh ? a well.
asciilifeform: in as far as dirigiblisms go, this is the mildest yet, i can throw down my shirt also and it will also get washed.
mircea_popescu: men are creatures of habit, there's i'm told "de facto designated areas" anyway.
asciilifeform: i dun sit on every item of furniture, no...
asciilifeform: (unlike, say, a housecat)
asciilifeform: https://jhalderm.com/pacman << in other nooze: 'It's a touch-screen DRE (direct-recording electronic) voting machine. ... We received the machine with the original tamper-evident seals intact. The software can be replaced without breaking any of these seals, simply by removing screws and opening the case. ... In celebration of the 30th anniversary of the iconic arcade game, we reprogrammed the AVC Edge to run Pac-Man.'
shinohai: kek
mircea_popescu: lol!
mircea_popescu: qntra ?
shinohai: Quite possibly a superior use of the hardware
mircea_popescu: shinohai go for it, slow week anyway.
shinohai looks
asciilifeform: i find linked item a bit of a puzzler, even sov-era electronics had screw seals, that were at least an honest try against quiet defloration, if not serious challenge
asciilifeform: ( the humble seal is one of the most, imho, under-rated pieces of crypto tech. at least the 'otp' variant, where it is made from a shattered rod, is 'unbreakable' in any direct sense. as discussed in at least one old thread. )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-28#1076117 << canonical, i think, 'seals' thread. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-03-28 03:15 Adlai: some of the devices shipped with teh sticker glued to the wrong side
mircea_popescu: problem is the seal relies on a certain environment. to work it requires a population of mit engineers "as they pretend to be" rather than "as they are"
asciilifeform: elaborate ?
asciilifeform: ( i.e. actually literate people? or wat )
mircea_popescu: yes, technically and scientifically literate.
asciilifeform: well then noshit.jpg.
mircea_popescu: ie, a bunch of "garage chemists" grown up, so to speak.
mircea_popescu: the one thing the us certainly is not.
mircea_popescu: in and of themselves, seals are just another religious artefact
mircea_popescu: as proven by the quotes.
asciilifeform: one of the numerous things seals do not do, is to sneak into violator's bed at night and remove his balls.
asciilifeform: ~someone~ has to ~give a fuck~
asciilifeform: and it isn't the piece of lead.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/08/bitfinex-freezes-us-accounts-following-another-loss/ << Qntra - Bitfinex Freezes US Accounts Following Another Loss
danielpbarron: http://i.imgur.com/e0WAb5G.jpg >> Shotgun to the face, slow motion.
asciilifeform: ^ fella has this... surprised! look.
mircea_popescu: awww! ANOTHER loss ? but who could have etc.
asciilifeform: prolly just the eyeball pop.
mircea_popescu: o hey, not a bad shot.
mircea_popescu: another heuristic ruined, "so you shot a guy in the face ?" "oh yeah" "describe how it looks" is no longer an absolute bar to redditards.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/two-theoretical-alternatives/ << Trilema - Two theoretical alternatives
mircea_popescu: since back in january you weren't yet constructing your identity around cleavage asciilifeform here's a repost : http://trilema.com/2016/the-bizarro-world-of-camwhoring/#selection-155.0-155.225
mircea_popescu: or no, nm, my bad. seems it's actually quite linked.
asciilifeform: al schwartz, iirc, did indeed fuck twins
asciilifeform: fwiw.
asciilifeform: (eh if 'google groups' still worked!111)
mircea_popescu: good for him!
asciilifeform: and i only even remembered this because it was my first encounter of this being described as a particular thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'cleaving' did not start, and won't end, with asciilifeform , or even with engineers, folks cleaved dry from green wood to burn in fire, and tasty from rotten parts of mammonth, etc. and will cleave in future.
mircea_popescu: sure!
BingoBoingo: In old trilema http://trilema.com/2009/de-ce-nu-mi-place-capitalismul/
mircea_popescu: o hey, you can read that ?
BingoBoingo: bits and pieces, but the gist I get is pseudo-mantadory middlemen break markets
BingoBoingo: Because how the fuck do you price milk if only one buyer from dairies and seller to consumers exists?
mircea_popescu: yeah ; bad information ruins it, basically.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima add it to translaqueue.
BingoBoingo: kinda the whole problem with extant fiat/Bitcoin interfaces on a more familiar scale
mircea_popescu: fucking argentines and their "lyrical" tango. god damned. these people have no idea.
mircea_popescu: the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of the tango is the sharp end of measures. you have a fuzzy exp that concentrates in a glowing hot tip. that's a tango.
asciilifeform: https://www.deepdotweb.com/2016/08/13/caliconnects-private-pgp-key-account-password-asshole209 << moar lel
mats: it appears that more than a kg of cocaine was sold on teh sr!
mircea_popescu: after dea took it over ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://im.ezgif.com/tmp/032a1ec2ab.gif to replace http://qntra.net/qntra.jpg ?
mircea_popescu: it IS pretty fucking huge, almost mb.
BingoBoingo: too huge, will negatively affect our African readers with GSM connections
mircea_popescu: myeah. k.
mats: just making a dig. specifically, in reference to 'This is why two years later the famous marketplace was struggling to move one kilogram of cocaine, and this is why it took them three weeks to make the sale, and this is why it actually had to be the owner buying it on his own account : because SR makes no economic sense whatsoever.'
mats: the post was informative, no doubt about the fundamentals being correct -- readers, see http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter
mats starts slogging through 'U.S. v. Burchard'
mircea_popescu: mats "was struggling to move one kilogram" ie, "this inept prude is struggling to take a 7 inch cock up her ass" not "the total volume of shit she ever shat to become the 29 yo loser she is doesn't ammount to the volume of a 7 inch penis"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try compress the gif, it takes eons to load
asciilifeform: (compress in the time sense, not the usual)
asciilifeform: as in, head splats in 3s instead of 25
mircea_popescu: kinda got nixed ; but if there's an artist in audience, mebbe i can get bb to reconsider.
mircea_popescu: i kinda like the idea of that thing as an icon.
asciilifeform: it is beautiful, only bulky.
mircea_popescu: and badly encoded - all those ugly artefacts.
asciilifeform: who, i wonder, was the lucky dude
mircea_popescu: looks jew.
asciilifeform: lel, did they write back to israel, 'stop sending niggerz with non-rusting staples' etc ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: possibly not.
mircea_popescu: couldn't find anyone who could write.
mats: "On June 3,2015 I learned that publicly available information indicated David BURCHARD, **** Duke Ct, Merced, California 95340, had registered or attempted to register and trademark the phrase "caliconnect." After obtaining this information, HSI Fresno investigators began to search Reddit and other publicly available websites for the username "caliconnect"
mats: and discovered comments and reviews from individuals claiming to have ordered marijuana from a dark-web vendor going by the online username "caliconnect."
mats: oh lawd
mircea_popescu: lol.
asciilifeform: bbbbut did he register a software patent also!111111
mircea_popescu: mats seriously, the pile of unexploited comedy gold in that "community driven" "dao-based security" thing is staggering.
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1dSF
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and i'd just as well like to have it well exposed and catalogued to bitchslap the gwern-ish wikipedia/lesswrong/niceonline beta bois and assorted imbeciles.
mircea_popescu: tbh they're more pernicious and a larger threat to sugar, spice and everything nice than bumbling "law enforcement" could ever hope to be.
mats: this is p good qntra material
mircea_popescu: hit it.
shinohai: lulzy mats
shinohai: r/darknetmarkets is an infosec lulzmine
danielpbarron: asciilifeform> who, i wonder, was the lucky dude << some guy caught in isis-land writing anti-isis graffiti
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> kinda got nixed ; but if there's an artist in audience, mebbe i can get bb to reconsider. << Would also break Qntra's branding history. Perhaps if someone wanted to start an "Online Culture Magazine" it may have a place in the header of that as per http://trilema.com/the-boy-blog-network
mircea_popescu: wait, so like the us ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ah, you're pretty much set on rabbit 4 eva ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, history is its own asset class.
mircea_popescu: up to you.
mircea_popescu: it did end up put in there in response to events though, it's not deductively derived from qntra substance
BingoBoingo: How many more reddit girlies can we make feel reflexive disgust at rabbits because truth? This needs to be answered.
mircea_popescu: lol k
mircea_popescu: tho i wouldn't call 200-odd pound redditards girlies.
danielpbarron: I once went to the trouble of creating an account on either silkroad or one of the things that came after in order to buy twatter followers for an ex-friend of mine (he thought he was really good at social media, obsessed over follower/following ratio, yet only had 50 followers) -- he didn't ask for this; I thought it would be funny to freak him out. Anyway, stupid vendor I contacted via GPG-gram replies in plaintext that he can't
mircea_popescu: girlols ?
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/08/popular-voting-machine-hacked-with-seals-intact-plays-pacman/ << Qntra - Popular Voting Machine Hacked With Seals Intact, Plays Pacman
BingoBoingo: It's a brand. As much as marketing is a scam, branding does matter.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron lol. the interwebs are full of that though, why bother with "Darknet"
danielpbarron: I was also curious how the darknet thing went
mircea_popescu: two toads with one spit huh.
danielpbarron: wish I bought a silkroad t-shirt on the original silkroad. prolly the one interesting thing for sale on the whole lot of them
mircea_popescu: sounds about right.
mats: "BURCHARD used a program called GPG4USB, which automatically used Burchard's Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) private key to decrypt messages sent to him from customers."
shinohai: shit BingoBoingo i fergot to archive.is the sauce
mats: also, "Other HSI investigators and I reviewed approximately 977 transactions involving "Caliconnect" on the Silk Road and determined that approximately 977 transactions involving "Caliconnect" on the Silk Road and determined that approximately 704 pounds of marijuana and approximately 10.5 grams of cocaine were sold to customers located throughout the United
mats: States... Among the data provided to me by the FBI on this list, "Caliconnect" was the third largest U.S.-based vendor on the Silk Road in terms of total sales."
mats: lol 10.5g
ben_vulpes: pretty sad
danielpbarron had a feeling it was mostly pot
thestringpuller: more ver-ified lulz: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4xj6uw/bitcoin_previously_had_all_the_properties_that/d6fw4ns ☟︎
ben_vulpes: oh lol phelps is swimming in rio?
ben_vulpes: so all the 'omg drugs' propaganda produced ~0 actual effect on the mans professional career
mats: iirc the controversy in question was over a vidya of him taking a bong rip
mats: which is increasingly moar culturally acceptable in .us
mircea_popescu: mats ahahaha 10 grams 3rd largest ?
mircea_popescu: fuck yeah.
mats: mp wins again
mats: prepare for teh smug
mircea_popescu: mp plays with rigged cards. hard to lose.
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Recreational marijuana is available to residents and non-residents of Colorado, however you must be 21 years old and older to purchase or possess. Only licensed retail marijuana stores may sell retail marijuana.
ben_vulpes: this is...news?
mircea_popescu: well, it's other news.
mircea_popescu: by now "pot smuggling" is right up there with hawking concert tickets.
ben_vulpes: hasn't been an interesting hustle for over half a decade now.
phf: man, that shotgun to the head is nasty. i wouldn't want confederate rabbit to get replaced by it
ben_vulpes: now, the rollup and consolidation of pot retail operations on the other hand, is going to be a fun project.
mircea_popescu: so if the "ideal man" moved from porn in the 90s to pot in the 00s to what in 2010 ?
ben_vulpes: bit of a stretch to say that ideal man was moving pots in the aughts
mircea_popescu: where do you meet all the sluts ? ngo organising ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hence the quotes.
mircea_popescu: and i guess it was what, rock band roadie in the 80s ? cocksucker blues et all ?
ben_vulpes: heh yeah my dad has some great stories about following the dead around
mircea_popescu: im sure.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, the spot to be today would be... the guy telling people what to do at burning man or somesuch i guess.
phf: "and then we dropped acid and it was awesome. and then we dropped acid again, and it was awesome again" kind of stories..
mircea_popescu: phf gotta cut the old folks some slack ; for them getting slobber on ballsack is a lifechanging sort of event.
ben_vulpes: phf: "great"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller gotta love the "of course i'm outraged". somehow this made sense to him.
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2016/08/bitfinex-freezes-us-accounts-following-another-loss/ << this being exactly the mtgox playbook, "oh, it's not us, it's the processor"
ben_vulpes: is anyone doing the "buy bitfinex coins at a ridoinculous discount" thing yet?
mircea_popescu: mno.
mircea_popescu: ~same reason nobody sane is doing the "buy ethereum" whatever.
mircea_popescu: anyone was around / recalls the discussions with the naive "mtgox debt" buyers ? back in the day ? pirate debt buyers ? back in THAT day ?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen onefixt
gribble: I have not seen onefixt.
mircea_popescu: oh gribble you liar you.
phf: $seen onefixt
a111: I haven't seen onefixt
mircea_popescu: old stories.
phf: that might be in the even older logs
phf: ah, it's that case sensitive search..
phf: $seen OneFixt
a111: 2014-06-22 <OneFixt> mine is not at all easy to dump unfortunately
mircea_popescu: ah right.
BingoBoingo: lol https://github.com/bitbet/tools https://archive.is/r2W6q https://archive.is/r2W6q << attn pete_dushenski et al
shinohai: fucking lol
mats: i put a few coins down for a bet, sure hope the operator doesn't fly away
shinohai: O.o
shinohai: i was kinda unsure if I should place hard-earned dust into it
mats: not my finest moment
mircea_popescu: tsk.
mircea_popescu: it's fucking fascinating to read anglo reviews of fine italian cinema. a more stark light to display the fundamental inadequacy of that subculture in understanding anything worth thinking about could scarcely be found.
mircea_popescu: James Kendrick Q Network Film Desk "Adriana's essential vacuity, central as it is the film's point, doesn't give us enough to hold onto, so by the time the narrative is winding its way to its climax, everything has blurred into one long rush of nothing."
mircea_popescu: hurr.
phf: man is describing his sex life
mircea_popescu: or at least what he's seen of it on tv.
mircea_popescu: and how commodously they give themselves the trophy, too. ADRIANA'S vacuity, you see. hers, not theirs. they know this. because...
mircea_popescu: oh but it goes without sayng, it's a... it's a no brainer is what it is.
mircea_popescu: fucking nobrain society.
mircea_popescu: the fact that for any possible test other than timescale itself, she could already be una vecchia and nobody could tell the difference escapes notice.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway.
mircea_popescu: out of 9 "top critics" in syndication, two pass the blurb test : village voice's atkinson and slant magazine's dillard. this is the fucking bar, "write one sentence that doesn't mark you for idiocy", 2/9 specialists pass.
mircea_popescu: every single college graduate should fucking pass omfg.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/io-la-conoscevo-bene/ << Trilema - Io la conoscevo bene
mircea_popescu: michael atkinson gets it ; and he knows his shit. clayton dillard has absolutely no fucking idea what's going on. i think he smokes towels or something.
mircea_popescu: out of the 9, 1 is competent and the other's a shannonizing pass.
mircea_popescu: im sure engineering works out exactly the same.
phf: mircea_popescu: link to atkinson review?
mircea_popescu: http://www.villagevoice.com/film/pietrangeli-s-restored-beauty-i-knew-her-well-lets-you-know-her-too-8225729
phf: thank you
mircea_popescu: "A generation-defining movie in Italy, I Knew Her Well is that rare saga of the never-was, immersed, like its heroine, in daydreams, numb to its own heartbreak."
mircea_popescu: threatens to become very much a generation-defining movie in the colonies, also.
shinohai: ls
shinohai: well that was wrong buffer certainly
mircea_popescu: in other roger ver lulz, http://www.westchesterda.net/pressreleases/001108mkarraign.htm
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ever have crapple 'a1181' lappy? i just swapped out hv (lamp) cable on one, for 2nd time in 7 yrs, what a piece of rubbish
asciilifeform: takes no less than 2hrs, for a fucking $10 part.
mircea_popescu: so basically costs more to fix than new laptop. such cost to carry...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: box is worth maaaaybe 100 (minus the ssd, which is modern and cost 4x that)
mircea_popescu: you have a serious prioritization problem huh ?
asciilifeform: more of 'old cars' problem
asciilifeform: (categorically refuse to pay the newness tax, and from it follows the rest)
asciilifeform: anyway this particular item isn't asciilifeform's, but tame critter's.
mircea_popescu: so buy her a new ipad!
asciilifeform: she dun like craplets
asciilifeform: can't warez on'em
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: classic!
ben_vulpes: i think i have one sitting in the "library of machines to cannibalize when the future demands"
ben_vulpes: or a close generation.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this implies you have one or more of'em in service ?!
asciilifeform: or cannibalize how, for door stoppers ?
ben_vulpes: mnno, these are not for repair, but for migration to as the oldest give out
ben_vulpes: nor are these "daily drivers", being nearly antiques already
asciilifeform: 'Bedi subsequently advised the victim that he successfully tracked the source of the computer virus to a remote village in Honduras. Bedi informed him that the hard drive was the source of the worm that had invaded the computer and advised the victim that Bedi’s uncle, who Bedi contended is an officer in the Indian military, flew to Honduras in an Indian military aircraft during a reconnaissance mission and obtained the hard drive.
asciilifeform: Bedi further related that his uncle obtained information that Polish priests affiliated with Opus Dei were attempting to possibly harm the victim. Bedi also advised the victim that the Central Intelligence Agency had subcontracted with Bedi to perform work which would prevent any attempts by the Polish priests associated with Opus Dei to infiltrate the U.S. government.'
asciilifeform: this is a crime ?!
asciilifeform: 'fool and his money'
mircea_popescu: you know, before the whole "terrorists" bullshit started, i used to enjoy reading police reports.
mircea_popescu: essentially, you get a barely literate, tired man who dun wanna do it, coerced into summarizing the lives of other derps.
mircea_popescu: it's consistently going to deliver ; not as greatly as the heights of fiction, true, but rarely as poorly as its pits.
mircea_popescu: "really... they did that ?" "oh, and then let's see, so the situation is x, i guess next they... burn the house down. ayup... they did."
mircea_popescu: viri from villages in honduras, you realise!
asciilifeform: and Great Pianist whose worx are on his 1 comp
mircea_popescu: he just wanted to.
asciilifeform: Heir to Fortunez!1111
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu will still repeat that 'money is brain' or what.
mircea_popescu: evidently.
mircea_popescu: ye scarecrow fighting don quijote that there's no other : poverty = stupidity. never was the converse contemplated.
asciilifeform: http://www.westchesterda.net/news-and-information/current-press-releases/2742-state-prison-sentence-in-cyber-security-larceny-of-the-heir-to-schlumberger-oilfield-services-fortune << sentence.
asciilifeform: 'The victim, a noted pianist and composer, is the great-grandson and great grand-nephew of the two brothers who founded Schlumberger Ltd.'
asciilifeform: must've been one hell of a schlumberger, for great-grandson to have 21m to piss away.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/YAxy8 << moar.
asciilifeform: 'He said that in the days before they were arrested, the couple were preparing to leave the U.S. for Iceland where Ms. Invarsdottir's father, Ingvar Karlsson, is a prominent businessman.'
asciilifeform: 'On his website, Mr. Davidson doesn't mention his family's affiliation with Schlumberger, instead focusing on his long career composing and performing music. A spokeswoman for Schlumberger declined to comment. Mr. Davidson is also the founder and president of the Society for Universal Sacred Music...'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno, here we have some mind-bogglingly bovine rich, and pretty clever poverty..?
asciilifeform: 'In a 2006 video posted on YouTube promoting the society, Mr. Davidson is seen standing before a group of musicians and speaking about his organization. In the video, Mr. Bedi can be seen standing silently next to Mr. Davidson.' << gold.
mircea_popescu: the "cleverness" of poor people is no different from the "security" of windows.
mircea_popescu: not something to go on the ocean in.
asciilifeform: well, at any rate the public whipping post only ever contains the folks who didn't make it to the ocean.
asciilifeform: i have deeply nfi re the rest.
mircea_popescu: but i note you're not actually confronting the ridiculousness of your earlier conflation.
asciilifeform: i still say 'if yer so smart why aintcha rich' is horseshit.
phf: i'd pay those guys for simply making 60 year old's life a bit more interesting. i think old man is just walking out on a tab
mircea_popescu: and you'll keep saying until the day you die, poor.
mircea_popescu: phf 6mn tho ? i mean... that nicole whatever chick, she did it for free!
phf: that's after how many years though?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, maybe she also carried to term ?
mircea_popescu: $google anne nicole smith
deedbot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Nicole_Smith << Anna Nicole Smith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Nicole_Smith << Anna Nicole Smith – Wikipedia, wolna encyklopedia | http://www.annanicole.com/ << Anna Nicole
mircea_popescu: in related lulz, while i was visiting mass at some point there was a huge todo because some woman had a child with a ~dead~ fortune owner. and the family was trying to exclude her.
phf: works out to about 500k a year
mircea_popescu: i'd expect more for 500k/year than those two schmucks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how did the 'trying to exclude' work ?
asciilifeform: contested the will, or wat
phf: yeah, 500k is a bit too much..
mircea_popescu: well, probate cases, that's what they are. a judge ends up with 55 people in a room all clamoring.