assbot: Logged on 08-03-2016 00:21:18; nubbins`: if i had a satoshi for every time mp said "looky" when he'd lost an argument, i'd be able to donate a tx fee to bitbet
nubbins`: asciilifeform why would you assume in the first place that all these random comments on bitbet are me instead of the various angry parties to whom bitbet owes money?
nubbins` searches memory for rational reasons why alf would think this, comes up blank
nubbins`: ask mp, he's the one with all the insider knowledge
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2016 23:50:19; mircea_popescu: looky, that nonsense isn't going to snivel into factuality just because butthurt. chinese miner conspiracy is a fact, undisputed and accepted as such.
nubbins`: but in complete seriousness, yes, uncontroversial and undisputed at mp's house.
nubbins`: see hanbot's intensely boring, factless, hyperbole-filled rants and jabs for reference
nubbins`: but what else do you expect from someone whose only skills are being a loudmouth and losing money
nubbins`: asciilifeform don't mistake verbosity for excitement
nubbins`: 10 words a minute is excited now |0|
nubbins`: asciilifeform: did mpoe-pr "give a fuck" about the scammers she skewered on the forums?
nubbins`: or was she just reminding them that bullshit has a specific taste?
mats: nubbins` is rapidly approaching 1.5k lines over two weeks about the same damn topic
nubbins`: hey, i walked into a conversation already happening
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everywhere. got published in teh gazette, received exactly no disputation, it's what it is.
mats: you have been stoking the same burning pile of shit for two weeks
mats: you didn't walk into anything, the noise in here is your doing
nubbins`: mats in fact i came back here after quite an absence and found the shit still on fire
nubbins`: the noise is my doing by calling mp a scammer? yes, fair enough.
nubbins`: however, there stands bitbet in the state it's in. you saying that mp threw in the towel because i bullied him into it?
mats: it isn't the allegation, it is the 1000x repetition that i'm looking at
nubbins`: mats go back and read yesterday's log
nubbins`: only reason i bothered to chip in was to smother hanbot's hallucinations
nubbins`: you don't like it, put me on ignore
mircea_popescu: understand how matters of fact work. judge sits down, lets the witness in. witness tells a story. bystanders ask whatever the fuck questions they want. witness answers if he feels like it, and remembers, and has anything to say. at the end of the day, bystanders can as pompously as they wish declare they're not coinvinced. matters not one iota. either better theory is formed, or the thing stands.
mircea_popescu: there isn't available this "exit by reservation". it's a personal pretense, nothing more.
nubbins`: mp uses the broadest analogies possible, hey?
nubbins`: asciilifeform logic has no place here
nubbins`: mats shouldn't you be telling alf to stfu?
mircea_popescu: would have helped to write it down. as the original article asked, as the rebuff to the original nubbins` said, and so on. two weeks ago, whatever.
nubbins`: ^ you didn't put it in a TPS report, in other words
mats: alf is not grandstanding.
mats: nor making use of the matter as an opportunity to air grievances
nubbins`: alf is in a weird spot where he obviously feels that mp is hallucinating but doesn't want to press the issue
nubbins`: asciilifeform iirc i offered you some a while back but we decided you wouldn't take it
nubbins`: you want what mcafee took too?!
nubbins`: vexual once signed a ~1k btc address for me, hey?
nubbins`: but i do suspect on a ~10% probability that he's satoshi
mircea_popescu: so basically, you're going to dump garbage at me because you have a strange passion for nubbins` ? you imagine this is a way to behave or something ?
mircea_popescu: seriously now. in what conception of society do you see this to make sense ?
nubbins`: how dare you speak to an untouchable!
nubbins`: asciilifeform you missed the "do as mp says" rule?!?!
nubbins`: but that's the whole point of this place
mircea_popescu: i can't distinguish if you are genuinely missing something, or not. which is why i ask you.
nubbins`: asciilifeform i think he's saying that you're not allowed to talk about mp with me
mircea_popescu: how exactly did you judge the cost function of not spamming mp nonsense so it came below the value of talking to nubbins` ? i wish to know, explain this to me.
mircea_popescu: "to my eyes, wasting mp's time is worth so much less than entertaining vexual that there's no contest".
mircea_popescu: what the fuck am i, in this incredibly infantile, and deeply ustardian conception of the world ? free for the taking or something ?
mircea_popescu: so to sum it up : i'd like you to show me the fucking common courtesy of considering whether next time you highlight me, i could in any conceivable manner have any interest in whatever is in there.
mircea_popescu: and it is deeply shameful, for you, that i have to tell you this.
nubbins`: the edict is issued: speak not of mircea_popescu to nubbins`
zdm: Just an internet stranger
zdm: Been reading a lot of loper-os.org posts
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hanbot: mod6 index idea could work, obvs hinges on whether i manage to organize something more precise/inclusive than a keyword grep'd put out. i'll look at it tomorrow/tues and report back.
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mircea_popescu: hanbot mod6 maybe an extension to deedbot where people could go !tag <string> and then a collection of clickable tags is published somewhere, each leading to a list of loglines ?
☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: dunno that it'd fix anything per se, but perhaps give us the tools to better approach the problem ? dunno.
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i have traveled to africa. unless one means specially designated experimental lab (some towns in south africa etc), internet connection is poor.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I cannot help the lulz that commenters bring, but I can appreciate them
BingoBoingo: Also in the latest qntra the Union flag as ether rag is apparently a srs thing, except they call it the "American" flag
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BingoBoingo just figured the polymagnet thing was jsut the new "broken glass"
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 07:43:11; mircea_popescu: hanbot mod6 maybe an extension to deedbot where people could go !tag <string> and then a collection of clickable tags is published somewhere, each leading to a list of loglines ?
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assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 07:47:15; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i have traveled to africa. unless one means specially designated experimental lab (some towns in south africa etc), internet connection is poor.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They are having a hard time hiding the recycling nowadays
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jurov: what manual? learn to set up logrotate, it's not so hard
shinohai: mv debug.log logs/$(date -d "today" +"%Y%m%d%H%M").log
jurov: shinohai: how did random pieces of software and wetware end up affecting your digestion?
shinohai: Marrying Ubuntu to anything makes me slightly queasy.
jurov: sounds like ubuntu was your precious daughter
mircea_popescu: actually ubuntu sounds like a pretty decent name for the chicks BingoBoingo links.
mircea_popescu: "way down deep in the middle of the jungle a hippo humped a manatee and spawned a scary daughter - i know, we'll call her ubuntu!"
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nubbins`: ;;later tell funkenstein_ references to bezzlars removed! ^
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phf: rpi fedora, that's apropos naming right there
jurov: have you ever explained how this really relates to pederasty?
jurov: ah, it's in the logs, the prison thing
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> hanbot mod6 maybe an extension to deedbot where people could go !tag <string> and then a collection of clickable tags is published somewhere, each leading to a list of loglines ? << This could work -- it's in the vein of the 'BUTTSECKS' flag. Which seems simple enough. And the given topic-'tag' is a decent idea, i.e. 'OOM' or 'Cramer-Shoup' or 'keccak'
trinque: pffflol, dat variety speak!
trinque: I'm open to something like that; I've been doing a lot of work on deedbot lately
trinque: the cl-irc rewrite is nearly done... among other things, it can now, you know, stay online!
BingoBoingo: When middled aged teacher (or whatever) who thought they were japanese teenage girls were the biggest threat model
assbot: BitBet - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match :: 80.22 B (54%) on Yes, 68.59 B (46%) on No | closed 1 week 5 days ago ... (
http://bit.ly/1pXwgVL )
jurov: i don't have acct there, not interested so much as to solve their impossible captchas
jurov: not login, registration
jurov: oh, i like the proposal, except that i'm always two minds about anything
jurov: i mean, i'd prolly need one signature with "pros" and anther one with "cons"
jurov: yes, that's fine and neat.
jurov: but whole idea leans in the direction of peer review, which must be some text, not collection of flags
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but what i'd like to know is why none of you lot commented. << compute time on my wetware has been over subscribed lately
jurov: i can see the signature rather like S-expression with ID of the signed artifact, approve/disapprove/etc. bits which could be parsed and would have room for free text with any other nuances the signer wanted to add
trinque: that trends towards either enumerate-all-the-feelings or simply a wad of freeform text
trinque: a descriptive comment can explain why I signed just fine
jurov: no, i mean free text + some indexable bits
trinque: right, I am contradicting you :)
trinque: why index and machine-process what should be read and considered by a brain?
jurov: for poor vtron to be able to distinguish signatures and antisignatures
trinque: the argument has yet to be made that I'd rather have your anti-signature override my other wot member's signature, rather than your persuasion elsewhere having caused me to delete his signature
trinque: reminds me of key revocation actually, in the bad way
jurov: no, not override anything, such thing is up for you to decide
jurov: vtron would just say to you that the antisig from your wot exists
trinque: how does it not trend towards facebook "reactions" for vpatches ?
jurov: that would be bad thing?
jurov: and if your wot peer starts spamming with facebooky comments, just remove him
trinque: I have an easier time seeing the benefit of a single bit of tarnish + description why
trinque: I don't think all the reasons for "why do I hate" can be represented usefully as a machine-grokkable header
trinque: "This is what it claims to be, and that is all I say about it." -- mp
trinque: perhaps; that's my first stab at a reaction
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 22:25:29; mircea_popescu: ie, there, "it's not the job of the state to protect the cultural patrimony OF INDIVIDUALS and their clans ; if those individuals and clans are so degenerate, bankrupt and chlorotioc as to no longer be able to protect their heritage, let the worms havce it. no, not even for comunist metaphisics ; no, the property of x isn't "ours", no x's history isn't "ours". let them uphold it or let it die.
trinque: I see the benefit of "this seal is just a messenger"
mod6: <+asciilifeform> this patch has 'all signers: mircea_popescu trinque asciilifeform mod6' << i'll note that this signatures you're referencing are strictly for genesis.vpatch
jurov: i consider whole trb thing as something that demands my full attention, and there's always something more urgent to do...
jurov: maybe i should have been reading and signing patches instead of doing the mempool abortion
mod6: further, all other vpatches are signed by me and me and you. there are some you haven't signed either.
mod6: jurov: your mempool work was important. reading the vpatches and the ml and the SoBA is important too -- and iirc doesn't take that long to get through most of them at this point
trinque: sure, for me it's "I cannot yet swear an oath to this" and could instead say "I have been running deedbot atop this successfully for x months"
trinque: I can see the pragmatism of it
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've been waiting for the "what does a signature convey" conversation to sign anything.
ben_vulpes: right now, i expect to sign something half-baked that then crashes on some dirigible and gets me excommunicated
ben_vulpes: there is, so far, no "this sucks, but it introduces no new lies" bit.
ben_vulpes: i was even uncomfortable signing the genesis vpatch. what does that even mean -- "this is actually some variant of satoshi's hairball"?
ben_vulpes: "this may contain pernicious hdd-wrecking nasties i'm unaware of, but is the closest thing to a bitcoinator i know of"?
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 17:59:11; thestringpuller: so what else is there? linear? parabolic?
thestringpuller: "In mathematical field of representation theory, a quaternionic representation is a representation on a complex vector space V with an invariant quaternionic structure"
jurov: thestringpuller: "complex vector space" sounds like fitting description of human attitude toward the matter being signed
jurov: btw, i have misread first mention of it as "vectored thrust" and imagined "wow S.NSA is finally onto ICBMs. Or space program?"
mircea_popescu: jurov> and if your wot peer starts spamming with facebooky comments, just remove him << it's not so simple, really. it's not a sudden and visible thing, just slow slide towards shitworld where you wake up one day and wonder wtf happened. much like irl marriages.
nubbins`: went to fight a parking ticket today, the crown had no evidence and the cop who wrote the ticket didn't show up
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> right now, i expect to sign something half-baked that then crashes on some dirigible and gets me excommunicated << this is a very cogent point ; and i feel rather the same way.
mircea_popescu: i imagine that's a rabbit with a whiplash sore penis huh
nubbins`: asciilifeform multi-bit vector pgp sounds about as rat-nesty as a tag-based log tracking system
mod6: <+asciilifeform> well, the implicit 'i swear with my life to this' - leaves me reluctant to sign anything i did not write 100% of << and who's to say, even if you wrote everything at one layer, that something doesn't fuck you in the butt from a layer below? we don't have computers. never did.
mod6: but "i swear this werks!!", then someone runs your shit and it ~should~ work, but doesn't because of unforseen hardware, or configuration or cosmic rays.
mircea_popescu: mod6 that is the crux of the problem. there is no such thing as separatability in software anyway.
mod6: nothing is certain.
mod6: we're all just rolling the dice.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the issue of "it's kernel's fault" "no dude is program's fault" requires very complex analysis most people are unable to engage in, and in any case unable to finance even if they could somehow engage in it
mod6: it doesn't mean that it's still not probablistic.
mircea_popescu: basically giving the day to the usual obamas with simple ideas and an insistence to repeat their nonsense.
nubbins`: asciilifeform no, on first chuff it looks sensible; not that much more long-winded than a file permissions block
mod6: 99.9995% of time it works. except for when it doesnt.
mircea_popescu: mod6 in any case, the idea of responsibility in software is a lot more difficult to implement than previously hoped.
mod6: mircea_popescu: well, indeed. i mean, i can "swear and affirm" that my code won't fail you, but really, I can't be certain one way or another. too many variables.
mircea_popescu: and, importantly, if it WERE to fail, how would we resolve the problem if it is or it isn't your fault.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: yeah, sure, not a difficult one for as long as one lives on imaginary half mil a year and theorizes away. in practice, it will not be seen, nor has it.
☟︎ nubbins`: asciilifeform this also opens up the option for interesting filters, e.g. no need to display "heart" field if "brain" is 00, etc
mod6: mircea_popescu: formally, a group would have to be constructed to investigate and analyze failures and place blame where beyond required -- if it can be proved beyond any doubt.
mircea_popescu: and it is cheaper for this group to put forth an ideology than to do any actual investigative work
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: much like it is cheaper for universities to universities than to actually teach anyone anything
mircea_popescu: and moreover, even with the best of intentions, the defense of the group is expensive and arduous, and everyone's got better shit to do.
mod6: we're just at this moment in history where everything sucks.,
mod6: we have no computers, we have almost no sound money, everything is faux.
mircea_popescu: like in that film with the guy who keeps waking up in the same place.
mod6: until we have computers, and i mean "have computers" in the sense that alf would be happy to say he has a "comptuer", whatever that means.
mod6: we can't have real true responsibiltiy of code ownership.
mod6: is it deterministic?!
mod6: well, maybe alf is farther along on this journey than anyone had thought. and maybe "sucks" is only very temporary.
mod6: but until we all have shit that doesn't suck... we're kinda just waiting until it doens't suck. in the context of blame and "i don't have to /hope/ this thing works, I know mod6 said it does, ergo, it works."
mod6: is the 6502 those cocaine looking packages you got?
mod6: anyway, sorry for the rant. but it is not lost on me how hosed up "computer land" is these days.
mod6: its like a house in malibu, built on stilts, on the side of a hill that mud slides after .25" of rain.
mircea_popescu: the one problematic part is that stilts or no stilts, the product is actually very well adapted to the market it serves.
mircea_popescu: not like the actual malibu dwellers are coerced to live in the vinyl sidings abominations. meeting of the minds.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 19:48:46; mircea_popescu: and, importantly, if it WERE to fail, how would we resolve the problem if it is or it isn't your fault.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 19:49:37; mircea_popescu: yeah, sure, not a difficult one for as long as one lives on imaginary half mil a year and theorizes away. in practice, it will not be seen, nor has it.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 19:50:15; mircea_popescu: and it is cheaper for this group to put forth an ideology than to do any actual investigative work
mod6: maybe having different keys (key certifing "i read this" [eyes] / "I wrote this" [hands] / ... etc.) is an analog for the polyphase system that replaced it.
mod6: and you sign your vtron keys with your one regular key? i dunno.
mod6: <+asciilifeform>
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437337 << the way i see it, the 'punishment' aspect of vtronics is secondary. the main thing is that ACTUAL PEOPLE, i.e. folks willing to ~take responsibility for their actions~, could find and recognize each other. << i think so too. but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 19:50:15; mircea_popescu: and it is cheaper for this group to put forth an ideology than to do any actual investigative work
mod6: I think if people can make punishment first, they will. cause no == yes && yes == anal.
mod6: who's to say what is anything
mod6: Welcome nihlistic Monday
mod6: without quality random numbers, we can't have certifiable cryptographic identities.
mod6: who's to say anyone is anyone when P & Q are fingerfucked by the NSA or other spooks.
mod6: anyway, that looks like an interesting novel.
davout: asciilifeform: with tmsr~ spanning a few timezones, there's bound to always be someone with an open bottle
mod6: But my good man, a serious cornerstone / building block to sanity and in the direction of "workable" computer will come when your work is complete and I can get quality random numbers.
mod6: other than some otp
mod6: ook anyway, one time pad - i can create with dice no?
mod6: now i gotta dig something up on trilema. thought there was an article?
mod6: asciilifeform: hm. im misremembering something. eitherway, outside of well, anywhere really, i can't think of a single place in the known universe where the nsa can't diddle your shit.
mod6: we've got a lot of stuff to fabricate and create.
mod6: ya. this hardware scares the bahjeesus out of me.
mod6: i want like some 1971 vac shit.
mod6: i think i need to start doing all of my computing with paper and pencil, in a room with no doors, no windows or lights.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the weirder thing is that the stuck node is on the physical box i have, not either of the two vpses i have. and all are running 99997k or 99996k.
mod6: ah,. yeah vax. i was kidding anyway.
mod6: i should look at some 80's hardware and see if I can spin up a rig.
mod6: pete_dushenski: i didn't see anything crazy in there. runnign with -connect or -addnode?
mod6: so i/o drivers need to be written by hand alf?
mod6: is it crazy to think that said chip you're talking about be re-constructed on a fpga, perhaps many of them on one fpga?
mod6: once fully sync'd pete_dushenski, make a back up your your block chain, and then use -addnode
mod6: -connect is great for getting blocks from a trusted node, but you're only connected to just that node. so if there is some sort of blocking issue... you might get starved.
mod6: asciilifeform: do any worthwhile FPGAs' with open docs exist at any price?
mod6: you've been over this a hundred times im sure.
mod6: goddamnit. we need some sane hardware and quality random numbers.
phf: asciilifeform: but what i'd like to know is why none of you lot commented. << i'm not groking how that's supposed to work with gpg signatures
mod6: phf: well, other than saying "interesting" and "cool", i couldn't figure out how to do that either. unless we create a vtron signature style in 'g' or is it 'p'? i cant recall.. cause how will someones vtron be able to pull the bit string out to know how to categorize someones seal?
mod6: this is all implementation and theory.
mod6: I like the idea though. We just don't have the tools yet.
☟︎ mod6: asciilifeform: if the various bits for hands/eyes/heart/brain are not to be in anyway invovled with a signature, any thoughts on how we pass these around with the signature?
mod6: but since you're writing one... you could wrap that in there perhaps?
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 20:48:01; mod6: I like the idea though. We just don't have the tools yet.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 20:48:53; asciilifeform: (but decided that this was retarded)
trinque: asciilifeform: can you make yours give proper exit codes pls? :)
trinque: I was horrified to discover yesterday that gpg does not exit nonzero when a sig doesn't verify
trinque: it craps an error message, yes, but otherwise exit 0
davout: asciilifeform: specifically?
trinque: I'm not; just saw it while rewriting deedbot
phf: trinque: because gpg --verify is not intended to be used in batch process, if you're doing verification specifically should be using gpgv, which also expects env (keys in dbs specifically) to be in a certain state
davout: asciilifeform: hardfork is indeed cleaner aha
davout: trinque: my 1.4.19 outputs 0 for correct sig, 1 for incorrect sig, 2 for unsigned data
trinque: davout: hm seems I might've been wrong
trinque: hm yeah, dunno how I was getting exit 0; might've been a case of having used inferior-shell wrong earlier
mod6: 'keyring' is alf's pavlovian trigger
mod6: haha, what you hear the bell and you mentally think 'food' and you see food dish and think 'bell' ?
trinque: as long as the filesystem in question lets me find things rapidly by searching over metadata, I will happily give up my black boxes of such
phf: main reason gpg is turd, because was written for dos and frozen into spec that way. provided functionally is composite and doesn't "do one thing well". instead of freeform key annotation has explicit "name, email, comment" fields, instead of easy way to spawn many keys, has a convoluted key hierarchy, etc.
trinque mumbles about befs with bottle of booze in hand
phf: i have love/hate relationship with dos
mod6: where does the love come in?
phf: mod6: low cognitive load, for a significant payoff. great games, enough useful software to solve all day to day problems, a handful of dev environments (including emacs, gcc, clisp besides native Turbo * stuff) to solve any possible problems that might come up
phf: i don't mean Emacs, but dos emacs is enough for the "i have text, i need to shape text into new text" tasks
phf: so did i, but i mean this for the hypothetical, "move back to dos and fuck y'all" retreat :]
phf: like if forced i could spend rest of life with a dos machine, can't say the same for os x 10.10, but that of course assumes that i somehow don't ever have to work, and in fact live in a "concent" for the rest of life
mod6: let's rewrite everything in asm and scheme
mats: is this a slav thing, 'concent', 'syndevs'?
phf: i assume we're pre-second sack (or first for that matter)
mod6: speaking of which... if we were still going to use scheme, long-term, i'd probably re-write my vtron in scheme -- if for no other reason, to learn it.
mod6: but I think I might take a stab at writting it in ada so I can learn that with a proper example instead.
mod6: i dunno, maybe. need something useful to fuck around with to learn that stuff.
mod6: then maybe will be able to pitch in for adacoin
trinque: mod6: incidentally, list-o-megab00ks would be a great use case for that !tag thing
ben_vulpes: what, people don't maintain their own list of books as suggested by the individuals in chan?
ben_vulpes: what is this automating of the mental reactor rods!?
ben_vulpes: stay limber in your head and effective at your keyboard, and do everything manually why not
trinque: I want lists of things. I am not a damned secretary
ben_vulpes hands trinque a pineapple and broomstick
phf: i usually fail to come back to lists, but i think i've read most things recommended on b-a, the frequency is actually low enough that you can put things in a pile and catch up pretty fast
trinque puts pineapple on the end of broomstick, makes weapon
mod6: trinque: yeah for sure.
mircea_popescu: mod6 << i think so too. but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. << there is no possible division between "punishment" no matter how defined and trust in any reasonable sense. either what you say matters, in which case the world rapidly evolves towards "too hard for peoeple, who just want to..." or what you say doesn't matter, in which case the world rapidly evolves towards welfare state. it is what in math
mircea_popescu: ematics is known as a pole. attempts to create a netherworld between the sharply divergent f(x) and f(x+e) is what i've recently discovered - through the usual stepping on research process - to be a landmine.
mircea_popescu: in a different restatement, people "willing to take responsibility for their actions" only has an imaginary part, and no real part ; for the necessary reason that responsibility can not be defined coherently in the real space.
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☟︎ assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 23:11:33; mircea_popescu: in a different restatement, people "willing to take responsibility for their actions" only has an imaginary part, and no real part ; for the necessary reason that responsibility can not be defined coherently in the real space.
mircea_popescu: FUCK every pissant proggy getting to have its own miniature version of the microshit winblowz 'registry'. << so true this.
mircea_popescu: it's stress syndrome already, lifeforms fully aware they live in shit. "i'ma make myself a house!"
mircea_popescu: wot is not supporting of a single notion of identity. what x signature is varies irreconcillably among the users, by design and deliberately.
mircea_popescu: for the record, and to revisit that old definition of "public" ie the forum vs "private" ie the gynacaeum, something is public when it has what has been here referred to as a "real" part. ie, when it is possible to make a definition for it that is meaningful for everyone.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the wot is eminently private and so deeply irreducible to public that it doesn't even matter it is publicly visible
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jurov: yes, and withdrawing.. and i have to ping mircea_popescu again
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2016 23:50:23; mircea_popescu: for the record, and to revisit that old definition of "public" ie the forum vs "private" ie the gynacaeum, something is public when it has what has been here referred to as a "real" part. ie, when it is possible to make a definition for it that is meaningful for everyone.