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mircea_popescu tried to watch "her", which supposedly is a movie. it is not. it's a fucking "movie 2.0". it's like these contemptible imbeciles agreed everything in cinema must have rounded corners now. the same inept muzak, a dude on a cello or a piano or a single instrument going SINGLENOTE SINGLENOTE SINGLENOTE SINGLENOTE SINGLENOTE. this is now music.
mircea_popescu: the same fucking BEIGE. everything gotta be beige, that's how you know it's the future. the same inept fucking "actors", the same literotica-level scripts, the same blergh.
mircea_popescu: fucking drop dead already, bollywood's better by now.
asciilifeform: watching glue dry is better nao.
mircea_popescu: a decade ago this shit used to be a bad joke at best. now it's all the maga that's left.
mircea_popescu: re the soros book : it's not terrible, there's a certain political bent to it but i expect you're immune. like how human doesn't catch most rat viral strains.
asciilifeform: actually that was my primary interest in linked piece. ~which strain!~
mircea_popescu: this is high arcana.
asciilifeform: 'soros' half-gives it away
asciilifeform: but i'd like to know how.
mircea_popescu: not exactly ; there's a particular vein of competent orc being developed here.
mircea_popescu: roughly speaking the gambit would be described as "knowledge is evil in that it bestows power, only through neutering the power element may it be rendered pure", something after this fashion.
asciilifeform: nao i'm really curious. how, for instance, does one make, e.g., an arithmetic, with 'neutered power element' but still in some sense 'knowledge' ?
mircea_popescu: well, it's complicated. and obviously nonsensical on the face of it, which is why it's being approached very gingerly. and also why the poster child of the whole movement, its sam altman if you will, is this ex physicist turned "philosopher".
mircea_popescu: turned being the operative word.
mircea_popescu: !#s patapievici
a111: 1 result for "patapievici", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=patapievici
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure i mentioned him before.
asciilifeform: aha, the voice synth thread
mircea_popescu: right, for sure ; possibly before.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's impossible to hide the albright from any of this. but then again they don't specifically aim to hide it from us, secure in the knowledge that the orcs it's addresses to entirely lack the receptors in the first place. which is true.
asciilifeform: it has ~same flavour as various material intended for ru orc export in '90s and now, yes
mircea_popescu: russian stuff was somewhat finer.
asciilifeform: naaaah
mircea_popescu: or maybe just i don't read it so well.
asciilifeform: it was ~all 'gulag gulag gulag and oh hey didjaknow gulag?'
asciilifeform: 'we, people of mcdonalds, blue jeans, and 'terminator', shall teach you, gulag monkeys, how to live'
mircea_popescu: that's a different thing.
mircea_popescu: i find it quite amusing that esr tried to do ~exactly what i just did, except with much more rudimentary tools and with much less interesting results. idiots living among idiots ALSO has a cost eh.
asciilifeform: it is interesting, more so they made it for ~themselves~ than even for the orcs. you go to a 'hip' washington b00kstore, and 'russia' section, 100% gulag, with a few ivan iv.
asciilifeform: and maybe 1 or 2 about peter and how he liked to chop heads.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes ; moreover i'm talking about a very specific "intellectual" thing. not in any sense intended for mass consumption. intended for perenity. ☟︎
asciilifeform: oh, yes, not at all for 'masss', for mass -- 'terminator', 'star wars'.
mircea_popescu: afaik it spawned actually straight out of the whole "hide caches of $stuff in yurp" programme.
asciilifeform: (incidentally in ru net it is not uncommon to meet with derisive reference to american soldier, 'jedi')
asciilifeform: gladio?!
mircea_popescu: same resources, same offices even in places. same people, mostly.
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: and yes, brzezinski et al
mircea_popescu: intelligladio.
mircea_popescu: there's intelligentsia and intelliglantsia. both equally bankrupt pseudointellectual endeavours, although on superficial examination "opposite". therefore, lettuce teach the controversy!
mircea_popescu: that right there is the whole shebang in one reference-ladden sentence.
mircea_popescu: and fwiw my reading of orlov is very much in this vein, which is how he keeps evaluating to below 0 in my hands. perhaps counterintuitively for more neutral readers.
asciilifeform: i'm considerably more immediately allergic to his strange cocktail of 'noble savage' luddism, enviro-whinerism
mircea_popescu: i don't care about stupidity per se ; organised stupidity of any kind however is a different matter.
asciilifeform: ah but this type is quite certainly organized.
asciilifeform: (the organized-deindustrialization thread)
mircea_popescu: we might mean different things by organised. i don't mean what is meant by "systematizing" in eg "systematizing delusion"
mircea_popescu: at issue isn't whether they're systematic or systemic ; but whether they're projective.
asciilifeform: he devotes, for instance, entire chapter to defending 'fission power is -ev' by... guess... counting 'regulatory cost' as a constant! as if it were fact of nature
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: what's with all the idiots counting "regulatory cost" as a thing in the first place ?
asciilifeform: and, somehow half-admitting that this is crock of shit, proceeds to factor in 1,001-year waste storage cost as constant! also! as if killing bureaucrats has to be expensive (use barges with drowning-hatches, say) and for fuck's sake breeder reactor.
asciilifeform: but he carries on in this project to convince audience, by lying through omission, that no such thing was ever invented
mircea_popescu: usg came up with idea of hiding the tax burden under spurious headings, dorks imported it somehow. then ten years later "obamacare is not a tax". sa mori tu ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform random nonsense aside, i also don't believe fusion is +ev in a practical sense. obviously if you can be arsed to gather together enough hydrogen you get your own star for free. but that's about it.
asciilifeform: folx from whom 'the sense of being stolen from was stolen', develop these peculiar leprosies
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no +ev controlled fusion had ever been discovered, or even proposed on any kind of logical foundation, afaik.
mircea_popescu: right.
asciilifeform: fission, however, is easily 10,001 yrs +ev if you kill the orlovs and the soroses.
mircea_popescu: wait, he was discussing... fission ?!
asciilifeform: aha!
mircea_popescu: o ffs.
mircea_popescu: there is ~no source of energy available in any sense outside of that.
mircea_popescu: either sunbathe or nuclear reactor. end of story.
asciilifeform: orlov is a (sometimes entertaining) stooge, but not of moscow. of 'agenda 21' or whatever it is called now.
asciilifeform: turner's thing.
mircea_popescu: the cnn-made alt-"putin" that the us invaded itself by ?
asciilifeform: the nyt-made alt-stalin. but approx., yes.
asciilifeform: i will omit the 'genetically modified evils' chapter, to preserve appetites
mircea_popescu: it's funny how each little churchlet of the "reason&science" persuasion has a very carefully not named devil or two.\
asciilifeform: (it contained the familiar ~deliberate~, not at all a result of intellectual sloppiness, conflation, of 'genetically modified' and 'monsanto')
mircea_popescu: "evil ai" or "genetically modified" or you know, something.
asciilifeform: aha. cast out them devils. but also don't forget to cast out the pennies in yer pockets, your reactors, diesel engines, and give'em all to $huckster.
asciilifeform: because mother gaia cries.
mircea_popescu: i think i might have heard this play before.
asciilifeform: fwiw i think he enjoys playing the circle of idiots he 'works' in meatspace. (the funkenstein_ types).
mircea_popescu: what type is that ?
asciilifeform: he devotes page+ to how important it is that people carry fleas again. and how important to bring back shamanic medicines 'in time for inevitable disappearance of pharma industry'. i'd quite like to begin with orlov, and his wife, son
mircea_popescu: wtf fleas ? what ?
asciilifeform: yes, fleas.
mircea_popescu: because why, the only pick-up line he knows comes from dunne ?
asciilifeform: something 'wasted potential for carrying parasite load' something
asciilifeform: and who knows, even that, possible.
mircea_popescu: "how little that which thoud deniest me is!"
asciilifeform: 'and larger fleas, to go on !'
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. wasted potential to what ?
asciilifeform: iirc it was re 'potential' to exist in crowded, low-tech hovels without complaint, or the like
asciilifeform: 'potential' to 'use fewer resources'
mircea_popescu: there is no crowded low tech.
asciilifeform: why not then put them in mass grave, even fewer resources.
asciilifeform: ah i oughta add that he was praising the traditional ru peasant hut. crowded lowtech.
mircea_popescu: such bizarro notions. really, because dork can't think it then follows that mp can't be right and nature will go out of its way to accomodate ?
mircea_popescu: density is a function of tech and strictly that.
asciilifeform: sit 'round smoky fire all winter long in windowless hell, you, mother-in-law, and the livestock.
mircea_popescu: which is this ru crowded low tech thing ?
mircea_popescu: i seem to recall early modern ru having one of the lowest capita per area of all the world.
asciilifeform: who the fuck cares 'per area' of forest
mircea_popescu: um.
asciilifeform: we're talking bodies-per-square-metre-of-indoors.
mircea_popescu: why did you get the idea ru peasant spent time "indoors" ?
asciilifeform: because there is this thing called winter.
mircea_popescu: even so.
asciilifeform: i can't speak for others, but it was always ~that~ part that turned my stomach, reading about olden timez.
asciilifeform: winter with the goats.
mod6: evenin'
mircea_popescu: heya mod6
asciilifeform: evenin,mod6!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think your reading there maps more to feeling than to history.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no contest. 1st rule of history vs feeling, is that the folx who inhabited 'history', largely didn't give half a fuck
asciilifeform: which is why we're here.
mircea_popescu: myeah
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> "weds 14:00 to 16:00, phf's lisp class". << this would be pretty cool actually. i'd attend if I could get the timing right...
mircea_popescu: i figure if he sticks to it people will slowly migrate their schedules.
mod6: Yah, probably so.
asciilifeform: 1400 which time belt..?
mod6: While implementing automated tests for the wot-variant changes for V (99994) last night, I ran into an issue.
mircea_popescu: i picked a random number, not to be taken seriously
mod6: I've created some new tests and all of which have been looking good. But then I noticed what seems like a problem on the last, new test, to implement. In fact, it was the last step of the last new test.
mircea_popescu: specifix ?
mod6: So basically, the deal is, that when using TRB, I have one user in my wot, say "mod6", and I drop out a vpatch from the flow, say "asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip.vpatch" by moving it's seal to "asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip.vpatch.mod6.sig.foobar", then I expected a few things to happen.
mod6: Referring to this DAG: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html
mircea_popescu: ok
mod6: I expected "asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip.vpatch""asciilifeform_zap_hardcoded_seeds.vpatch", and "asciilifeform_zap_showmyip_crud.vpatch" to be removed from the flow.
mircea_popescu: because they depend on the foregoing
mod6: Yeah.
mod6: Now, my flow, as currently coded in V (99994) actually does exactly what I expected above. ^
mircea_popescu: cool
mod6: However, when I try to press, I realize that this is actually incorrect, or I ~think~ it is incorrect.
mircea_popescu: whyssat
mod6: You see, when I've tested this in a single edge graph system -- a simple test vpatch set, this problem doesn't occur. a->b->c->d->e, remove 'c', and you just have a->b -- my current implemntation does this fine.
mircea_popescu: aha
mod6: So, the problem.
mod6: This vpatch can not press correctly: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/patches/asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch
mod6: Even though the flow is correct, it depends on changes that are no longer there for files such as init.cpp... ☟︎
mircea_popescu: uh
mod6: So basically what I'm seeing is that, once I discover my proper decendants, I also need to reverse check the graph for ~existing~ antecedents to ensure that a proper press can happen.
mircea_popescu: on trying to check out phf 's nice graph i discover btcbase.org/patches redirects, to btcbase.org/patches/nil ☟︎
mircea_popescu: what was teh link ?
mod6: His graph doesn't show all of the edges, and as this correctly highlights, I believe to be less than perfect. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: hm
mod6: Since this is a multi-edge edge case (for lack of a better way to put it), this happens.
mod6: There is an edge betwee"bitcoin-asciilifeform.4-goodbye-win32.vpatch" and "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch" which causes my V to think that "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch" still belongs in the flow.
mircea_popescu: mod6 is your presser looking for "one" vs "all" antecedents ?
mod6: And for that one edge, it does make sense, but since that vpatch changes more than one file, this causes a problem when the files being changed do not aligh.
mod6: *align
mod6: So my code finds all the decendants, then topographically sorts them. Then press based on the flow.
mod6: So I'm thinking that I need to add an additional check to ensure that every vpatch has a corresponding, existing, antecedent in the current flow.
mircea_popescu: theoretically the patch you indicate only depends on zap_showmyip
mircea_popescu: and if that's not pressed (as you removed its seal), then this shouldn't either.
mod6: ah, since there are more than one graph edge, it must be clobbered as well, "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch", I mean.
mod6: (and anything else that depends on init.cpp downstream from that as well)
mircea_popescu: well its antecedent is clearly "asciilifeform_zap_showmyip_crud.vpatch"
mod6: and "net.cpp"
mircea_popescu: if that's removed from the flow, how could it still press
mod6: so technically, yeah, "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch" has four antecedents.
mod6: and removal of one doesn't, in my current implementation, ensure it's removal, as there are three other antecedents for this.
mircea_popescu: yeah but you should do "all" rather than "any"
mod6: so I propose that I need to ensure of its removal by reverse checking every decendants antecedents.
mircea_popescu: a patch can only apply if ALL of its antecedents are present ; not if ANY of its antecedents are present ☟︎☟︎
mod6: aha, got it.
mod6: this makes sense in theory, and mechanically because otherwise, unable to press.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, me reads " Eric, a year ago I came to similar conclusions. Watching the chaos on the mailing lists and IRC channel,", proceeds to join #rust, is shocked by the sound of utter silence. maybe the guy meant join/part spam, who knows. nice going anyway.
mod6: Anyway, wanted to spend a few minutes elaborating on my latest battles; I'm making progress, but still need some time to get it straightend out.
mircea_popescu: which are the 4 antecedents for my curiosity ?
mod6: Once I have that part correct, will update and continue wrapping up the automated tests. Then further testing will begin, etc.
mod6: one sec.
mod6: bitcoin-asciilifeform.4-goodbye-win32.vpatch, asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip.vpatchasciilifeform_zap_showmyip_crud.vpatchgenesis.vpatch
mod6: whoops, missed a space & comma above
mircea_popescu: i don't get how you built this list, fwiw.
mod6: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZcTCa/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: either it depends on the whole tree up to it, ie genesis, asciilifeform.1, rm_rf, asciilifeform.2, asciilifeform.4, dnsseed_snip, zap_hardcoded
mircea_popescu: or else just on the last one.
mircea_popescu: how did you end up with 4 ?!
mircea_popescu: and i thought win-32 is actually a codependency for ver_now_5_4 alongside thermonyukyoolar.
mod6: so those four, are vpatches that touch the same files that "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch" touches.
mircea_popescu: well yes but this isn't necessarily a criterion is it ?
mod6: i don't know how the mechanical hash matching would work otherwise.
mircea_popescu: oh i see what you did!
mircea_popescu: ok so you pruned the theoretical tree for only things that touch same file. ok, makes sense in my head now
mod6: Ok :]
mircea_popescu: yeh yeh right you are.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha steve klabnik. roflmao where the fuck do they dredge up all the amir taakis
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : blog.rust-lang.org went away. there is a https://archive.is/pwdGh however.
mod6: mircea_popescu: thanks for talking me through it though. Even though for some out there, this might be painfully obvious stuff, but it's not, at least for me. So it's worth going over in detail.
mircea_popescu: hey, it's not for me either, so the sentiment is mutual.
mod6: I'll work on getting axiom into place in the code, will update further if I hit another issue or need further discussion/direction:
mod6: asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch
mod6: bah
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> a patch can only apply if ALL of its antecedents are present ; not if ANY of its antecedents are present << this.
mod6: o7
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: aqnyway, the "hive mind" is fucking comedic already. FIVE YEARS with the subverted python, got them nowhere. close to five years pushing rust, nothing to show for it. systemd is still mostly a joke, and the hatred is growing exponentially while the pustule is growing logarithmic at that. meanwhile the republic cracked open the heartbleed in quite the painful fashion, no matter how much effort went into "rehappening" it. not t ☟︎
mircea_popescu: o mention ancient strongholds of usgism such as kock-gpg, tor or (again) openssl are being butchered left and right. the attempted anti-bitcoins failed to catch on.
mircea_popescu: situation is fucking dire and the winter is coming, in the sense of it being late november, there's frosts at night.
mod6: haha
mircea_popescu: yeah, really. mozilla hanging on to dear life, mostly through its actual workspace having been cannibalized by google at great expense, because holy shit people are going to give up "web" altogether and nobody cares about the tablets in the long run.
mircea_popescu: all the bad hbo productions cranking up to 11 a theoretical future in which everything is "mobile" and "intelligent" by default ain't gonna make the fad not be a fad.
asciilifeform: mod6: afaik the 'edge case' here behaves 100% correctly in my vtron.
asciilifeform: you gotta check the antecedents recursively, as i did.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602666 << YES!! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 01:07 mircea_popescu: a patch can only apply if ALL of its antecedents are present ; not if ANY of its antecedents are present
mod6: aha.
mod6: sounds good alf.
mircea_popescu: recursion sounds like perfectly workable aproach yes
mod6: The good news is, it sounds like we're all aligned on this.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602699 << joke, joke, but go an' download a nonbastardized cd-installable linux. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 01:28 mircea_popescu: aqnyway, the "hive mind" is fucking comedic already. FIVE YEARS with the subverted python, got them nowhere. close to five years pushing rust, nothing to show for it. systemd is still mostly a joke, and the hatred is growing exponentially while the pustule is growing logarithmic at that. meanwhile the republic cracked open the heartbleed in quite the painful fashion, no matter how much effort went into "rehappening" it. not t
trinque: alpine linux is still pretty good
asciilifeform: so from their pov 'it's our way or highway', 'systemd, winblows, crapple, or go write own device drivers'
trinque: but there are only a few gems out there left
trinque: alpine is musltronic even.
asciilifeform: trinque: what's its package system like ?
asciilifeform: can i install x11tronic emacs ?
asciilifeform: ..without dbus ?
trinque: nah, anyone wanting that level of control, straight to gentoo
trinque: only way
asciilifeform: trinque: even on gentoo, nontrivial.
asciilifeform: but my q was in re 'does it properly ban the poetteringization'
trinque: aha, upstream tightens the web of interdependencies by the day
asciilifeform: a respectable linux will include a knife for mercilessly cutting through this 'web'.
asciilifeform: gentoo at one point could have been described this way.
asciilifeform: (today, only mine, and trinque's, and maybe 5 other d00dz have 'personal' gentoos that still behave this way. fueled with unicorn cunt juice.)
asciilifeform: i soured almost totally on openbsd when i labouriously set up a box, with all of the proggies i rely on for daily use, and found that emacs COULD NOT be de-poetteringized without eschewing the ports system entirely
whaack: mircea when you got a sec could you give me a Eulora account?
asciilifeform: i.e. thing was less sanitary, by long shot, than the shoddiest gentoo.
asciilifeform bbl
trinque: I have still on my disk a semi-working portage on openbsd
trinque: but have a hard time justifying the effort to myself any more than other half-measures.
trinque: started reading the python source for portage, barfed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why tge fuck would i DOWNLOAD it! wtf am i, new ? this is like going "go google something and see if you can find something besides wikipedia". dude... srsly, i'm googling things now ? let me try this, oh, let's google "mathematics" see what happens, I NEVER THOUGHT OF THIS BEFORE
mircea_popescu: ffs.
mircea_popescu: there's no future for english speaking children. we knew this already.
mircea_popescu: whaack oh didn't you have one already ?
whaack: i asked for one a long time ago but i never got the game working and didn't save the dpaste message unfortunately
mircea_popescu: ...
mircea_popescu: whaack http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/QIKmG/?raw=true
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is 'download', and there is 'distill from unicorn juice', and i suppose there is, in mircea_popescu's case, 3rd button on the dial, 'ask friend to do it'. but i do not know of a 4th button.
whaack: ty
mircea_popescu: how about "i have disks from before 2016 because I WAS NOT BORN YESTERDAY"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for so long as you don't attempt install of ANYTHING not found on selfsame disks -- worx
asciilifeform: in ~that~ sense, my copy of os/2 warp still worx.
mircea_popescu: "for as long as you weren't born yesterday, not being born yesterday worx".
mircea_popescu: wtf would i install ? "oh i wonder what these new things called ides are, how about i install one and try it out"
asciilifeform: mno
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is there i may not know about and wish to have ? list ?
asciilifeform: eulora?
mircea_popescu: eulora is very carefully engineered to work properly.
mircea_popescu: and will work properli-er in future.
asciilifeform: it'll build on my student-era bsd 4.7?
asciilifeform a bit skeptical
trinque: guy said before 2016...
mircea_popescu: this is what you work on, "student era bsd 4.7" ?
asciilifeform: eh that's too easy and includes most of the extant crapola, trinque
mircea_popescu: point is - either you're an adult or you aren't. if you're an adult you don't find out where your asshole goes from googling assholes. if you're not an adult there is no hope for you anyway, no matter what.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing that'll turn taaki into a human being.
mircea_popescu: so the point is essentially moot. yes, if anyone gave a shit "they'd form their whole worldview through watching cnn". the problem is that the people watching cnn aren't goingto ever form a worldview anyway, and the people who will ever have formed a worldview don't watch it.
mircea_popescu: so it's a bit of a pointless victory of the imaginary kind.
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit my actual complaint re openbsd -- if i want emacs but NOT dbus, i am reduced to, more or less, 'make own unix', rather than using openbsd as such.
asciilifeform: and yes, ~adult~ knows how to do this
asciilifeform: but life is short.
trinque: not an entirely accurate picture of it
trinque: it didn't take me longer than 5min to copy the openbsd emacs makefile and remove everything I didn't want
trinque: the ports makefile system is pretty clear
trinque: it does lack the "dbus is haram" across packages, which is certainly an omission.
asciilifeform: 'surgery on makefile, remove what you do not want' is same as having NO ports tree!
trinque: no, it's not
trinque: no matter how many !!!
asciilifeform: it means that i have to manually fiddle with the motherfucker every time.
asciilifeform: trinque: elaborate plox
trinque: so, socialist bureau of portage community is supposed to be there always?
asciilifeform: trinque: i'd actually rather it all went away.
asciilifeform: the pretense is annoying.
trinque knows asciilifeform would like to nuke it all
trinque: point being it may not be unreasonable system tuning work to modify the build process of packages; what openbsd has is quite close to having portage feature parity
asciilifeform: just say, honestly, 'the year of our lord is motherfucking 1975 and there is no such thing as autoloading of proggies from network, what is this, science fiction'
trinque: the thing lacking is people using the exact same "flavor" names (flavors being analogous to use flags)
trinque: and then one could rather trivially modify the thing to blacklist flavors
asciilifeform: this is one of those items that needs curator.
asciilifeform: alternatively-- vtronic portage.
trinque: certainly in the case of both portage and bsd ports, "I got my patch past one community organizer idiot" is no standard of merit
asciilifeform: but ~somebody~ is stuck with the thankless chore of determining which package gotta ./configure with --no-herp, which -- --no-derp, etc
trinque: aha, and though doomed to accrete fewer hairy workarounds, doomed still.
asciilifeform: i will confess, at one point i contemplated a 'vtronic bsd', but i have difficulty mustering any further enthusiasm for keeping unix on life support
asciilifeform: let it die. bury it.
mircea_popescu: "autoloading" of proggies "from network" is basically javascript.
mircea_popescu: go, autoload.
mircea_popescu: autofucking of girlies "from grindr" is a) trap and b) herpes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, 'modern computing' folx are essentially characters from lem's 'futurological congress', thinking that they have all kinds of neato tech, e.g., robot servants, but the latter are just d00ds doped up to think they are robots, and those served -- doped up also, to think they own robots, etc.
mircea_popescu: so then it is entirely unclear what your position is after all.
mircea_popescu: beyond "i disagree with what mp just said because my tooth hurts and i agree with him"
asciilifeform: aah but in order to agree, i would have to figure out what mircea_popescu's was!
asciilifeform: other than 'hey if you're an adult and weren't born yesterday, Things Work'
mircea_popescu: but at the risk of repeating myself, here it is again : esr, fabled luminary of the "blabla programming style" failed to get his thing done in a week. mp, fabled terrorist, managed to get his thing done in a week.
mircea_popescu: and i'm not about to stand for any "it doesn't counts because".
asciilifeform: what was the thing of esr?
asciilifeform: i missed it
mircea_popescu: so : if you're EVER GOING TO BE an adult, the idiocy outside doesn't matter. and if the idiocy outside matters, you weren't ever going to be an adult anyway. entirely disjunct sets
mircea_popescu: and yes sucks for anyone born in 1990s, but so it goes.
mircea_popescu: it sucked for anyone born in 1910 also.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tried to try out rust. he gets no bots, has to make his own irc server, there's no phf etc.
asciilifeform: i thought -- 1920
asciilifeform: (1920s folx -- straight into meatgrinder)
mircea_popescu: well imagine those schmucks, born in 1910, starved duyring puberty, while orphaned by influenza, then spent their adult years at war, by the time they were 40 they had a cot of their own and enough fleas to satisfy their dog best friend, because woman was old and ugly already when they met.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hm, interesting. though no one ought to be surprised to not find a phf & co. for $randomshitlang
mircea_popescu: the fact that no one is surprised is an argument for what i was saying.
mircea_popescu: yes, no one is surprised. of course not.
mircea_popescu: so, yet again : either you know computers, today, in which case you don't need the "open source" usgtards ; or else you don't know computers, today, in which case YOU NEVER WILL. period. no escape, no buts, no nothing. you NEVER WILL. and consequently it fucking does not matter one diddly what you do, be it github or reddit or writing lengthy missives to asciilifeform
asciilifeform: the 1 place i must disagree is 'idiocy outside does not matter to adult. the sweat i put in to remove the fleas from trb, but also from many other things so that i could even attempt that work, was quite real.
asciilifeform: the idiots had very real impact,
asciilifeform: the amount of flamethrower fuel they cost me, is considerable.
mircea_popescu: this has not so much to do with them and a lot to do with satoshi being a derp.
asciilifeform: not only him.
asciilifeform: rms also.
asciilifeform: linux
asciilifeform: linus
asciilifeform: all of'em
asciilifeform: why did i have to saw dbus out of emacs? ~why was it there??!~ to begin with.
mircea_popescu: every once in a while it'll happen that a retard has a good idea and fucks it up in the implementation. this is unavoidable, and some dirtying of hands will occur.
trinque: emacs is already a monstrous amalgamation itself, before dbus
trinque: they were just continuing the theme
asciilifeform: do you recall the integer bug in motherfucking gcc?!
mircea_popescu: yeah should be curious to see when did alf like dbus. rms ? pre ? post ?
asciilifeform: at one point i had no substantial quarrel with rms.
mircea_popescu: in other holy shit wtf is wrong with people - mp decides to examine wtf are these dorks doing to his xmlrpc.php. so he writes in serialize($_POST), which is apparently how you're supposed to do this. but which also promptly fucks something up
asciilifeform: speaking of shitware lelz, i have here a toy comp that logs in 'with finger', and after the incident with the cement, guess wat!!
asciilifeform: (btw cemented what? squirrel holes in roof eaves)
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: this is utterly incomprehensible. so there's this bunch of bots that keep making empty post requests, identify as googlebot. here's a sample : ☟︎
mircea_popescu: s:15:"HTTP_USER_AGENT" s:47:"Googlebot/2.1
mircea_popescu: (+http://www.google.com/bot.html)" s:12:"QUERY_STRING" s:0:"" s:13:"" s:14:"REQUEST_METHOD" s:4:"POST" s:11:"REQUEST_URI" s:11:"/xmlrpc.php" s:18:"REQUEST_TIME_FLOAT" d:1484362254.992538928985595703125 s:12:"REQUEST_TIME" i:1484362254 s:4:"argv" a:0:{}s:4:"argc" i:0 }
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the idiocy of ... seriously, you're going to specify BOTH request time and request time float to be passed around through each request forever ?!?! ... wtf is this ? empty posts to xmlrpc.php. why.
mircea_popescu: if anyone can explain this wonder to me i'd be indebted.
mircea_popescu: at first i thought they're trying to spam trilema, and doing it from central ip but inept enough to not realize that the custom error message trilema spits if you try this is NOT a success (ie, matching for failure, and failing to move on). ie, stupid.
mircea_popescu: but as the months wore on (no fucking kidding, half a year +, 2-3-5 a minute, every minute, no exception, i've seen by now 10`000s of ips doing THIS and this only) i started thinking maybe i'm the stupid one here ?
mircea_popescu: so i thought long and hard wtf it could be, and it finally occured to me maybe they're using the pingback checking trilema does to "drive traffic", ie, dorks "buy traffic", spammer asks list of wordpress installs to check if dork has pingback, dork thinks he's getting "uniques".
mircea_popescu: but no, you can't do this with an empty post, it'd have to include dataz.
mircea_popescu is entirely confounded.
mircea_popescu: oh unsurprisingly enough rust has a "code of conduct". this is getting to be signal-positive : if $item has "code of conduct", $item is comprised of idiots, imbeciles and their handlers.
mircea_popescu: "Your free speech is not our problem. We recognize that this policy is a restrictive political stance. That is the intent. If you want a room with different rules, go create one."
mircea_popescu: hurr. stomp a sjw face today.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gExZMLrIvWI << pretty lulzy as far as entomology goes. tl;dw : infantile beta male with a history of derping about how "boyish" everyone else is.
ben_vulpes: CoC has been a warning flag forever
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> watching glue dry is better nao. << How are the urethane warts doing?
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: anyway, /me tires of #rust. there's been 500 join/parts and strictly one line ("<clmg> How do I borrow a vector mutably while iterating over that vector? Is it possible?") in the past 3 hours.
mircea_popescu: (you may be excused from thinking that's a stupid question, as it is, but nevertheless the rust lingo is insane in this vein. "why can i not borrow a boxed vector content as mutable" ie let's make up a whole lingo of nonsense)
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/Gnziq <<< powering the ethereum revolution, among other unheretoforeheardof lulz
mircea_popescu: https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/ <<< guess what else is gone. ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602836 << they shit in phuctor's mouth also ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 03:08 mircea_popescu: this is utterly incomprehensible. so there's this bunch of bots that keep making empty post requests, identify as googlebot. here's a sample :
ben_vulpes: i went a-hunting for an 0.8.6 binary for a friend recently
ben_vulpes: completely gone.
ben_vulpes: stripped from web.
BingoBoingo: Oh my
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i might have one
asciilifeform: why do you need a binary anyway
asciilifeform: (and for what?)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lel, maidsafe?! in there. i had nfi still existed
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602856 << that link -- loads ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 04:21 mircea_popescu: https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/ <<< guess what else is gone.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: well, 'need'. went looking.
ben_vulpes: wasn't in the mood for trbquest on civvy machine
ben_vulpes: normie cucks gotta normie cuck, you know?
asciilifeform: dunno
asciilifeform: why not subscribe him to mtgox then.
asciilifeform: this friend of yers.
ben_vulpes: man has to understand what he's dealing with.
ben_vulpes: "ohey look, the dipshits took down the legacy bins." "...oh. that's not good."
asciilifeform: with mtgox, he will, if he has half a brain, understand that he has 0 btc, but buncha promises. but with prb, might have delusion of control
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i appreciate the concern. nobody in my wot's operating under the delusion that modernly available bitcoin clients will move their coins safely.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: did the prbistas even distribute bins for anything but winblowz ?
ben_vulpes: aye, there were macos bins.
asciilifeform: ah with the qt thing
ben_vulpes: mhm
ben_vulpes: so is 'echo' really how you get values from php to html?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in all likeliness site wasn;'t updated in 2016.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes .8.6 what, prb ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes pretty much. just like format in lisp :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not according to archive.is ; maybe they invented a whole new web or something.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: show me the html file with common lisp in it ☟︎
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602646 << actually this makes no difference if i do or if i don't. the correct solution that's sitting on my laptop is to explicitly check for exhaustive anticedents, and then render a missing link if there's one missing ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 00:59 mod6: His graph doesn't show all of the edges, and as this correctly highlights, I believe to be less than perfect.
phf: graph rendering, whether you remove links or not, simply shoes what links to what. if nothing links, than there's nothing in the algo to indicate that lack of linking, whether you have that extra edge or not
phf: *shows
phf: yeah, there's a routing issue, that i fixed, but haven't put in production yet. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602644 << http://btcbase.org/patches (without slash at the end) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 00:59 mircea_popescu: on trying to check out phf 's nice graph i discover btcbase.org/patches redirects, to btcbase.org/patches/nil
phf: i've reworked the graph/press code while working on press/blame renderer, and in the process discovered various issues with the current approach. so i wouldn't really look at the press/graph for reference at the moment
phf: for example here's a version of current experimental patchset, with missing antecedents rendered. (purple nodes at the bottom of the graph) http://glyf.org/tmp/missing-antecedents.svg
phf: a complete graph (with no trimming) ~could~ indicate missing antecedents, but only if you split vpatches by files first. so instead of having m files for n vpatches you have m*n vpatches, with one file per one vpatch. in that case a missing link will show a vpatch without antecedent
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602888 << http://lemonodor.com/archives/000128.html ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 05:10 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: show me the html file with common lisp in it
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 822.64, vol: 11567.16923931 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 807.001, vol: 7523.65257 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 823.4, vol: 24827.56739465 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 814.533615, vol: 878781.70280000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 832.0, vol: 2732.84485818 | Volume-weighted last average: 814.863145999
ben_vulpes: oh gross
ben_vulpes: "Anyway, the experiment more or less failed. I began to suspect the reasons behind JSP's ugly appearance had less to do with Java than with the crazy idea of mushing two unrelated languages and syntaxes together."
ben_vulpes: you don't say?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602641 << that doesn't sound right, according to http://btcbase.org/hash/B7EFBC0CE8EB70C04B3B0F713AA9DBEACF9DFE913BE38D32AE83A9EB63024F752C4B98DF5E019378E721A9B4C6A1E6466797CAA1B0B80B4D672771DCFD8C5202 init.cpp is provided by dnsseed_snipsnip ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 00:57 mod6: Even though the flow is correct, it depends on changes that are no longer there for files such as init.cpp...
phf: mod6: actually ignore that entire subthread, i'm reading the log backwards :/
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: http://www.contravex.com/bitcoin-0.8.6-macosx.dmg sha512 : fd2f5dc0e142b6ded4eb1b5e0f084e22aef4dc332f0d1ce71b87c9a9686d25ce378da7948a6cba48c059d79e644c949220f5873a026829ba6223f19778093232
pete_dushenski: pretty sure i also have 0.8.2 kicking around if your buddy's interested. lemme know.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: tight
ben_vulpes: well, i'm the one interested.
ben_vulpes: i'll take a copy of 0.8.2 as well, why not.
ben_vulpes: thanks, yo
mircea_popescu: i see this has been going well.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/stomp-a-sjw-face-today/ << Trilema - Stomp a SJW face today.
mircea_popescu: and in kickass trilemas i dragged up while doing research, http://trilema.com/2014/an-inventory-of-a-prison/
Framedragger: ..yes, that was an educational and depressing read.
mircea_popescu: o hay Framedragger
Framedragger juggling shitty schedules. looking forward to summer (which will hopefully also include deframedraggerisation of UK!)
mircea_popescu: what island are you going to ?
Framedragger: (nice trb dev log there btw)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: the island of post-soviet (homeland) for the time being :) it has a proper summer, friends, forests, sea and lower living costs; i don't know where i will land after that that, if anywhere. for the first time not worried, tho.
mircea_popescu: yeah from what i hear it's pretty cool.
Framedragger: pre-planning and worrying hasn't worked much thus far anyway
Framedragger: worth a visit in the summer. peninsula (Neringa) is nice, would recommend
mircea_popescu: why land anywhere, buy a bunch of local politicians/judges/policemen etc, make a small stronghold.
Framedragger: the mp-way!
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
Framedragger: worth considerin'... not always easy to implement, but i hear ya
mircea_popescu: to quote a shot guy, "mai bine mort in lupta cu glorie deplina decit sclavi iarasi pe vechiul pamint."
mircea_popescu: the poem in question became romania's anthem afterwards.
Framedragger: oh wow, that's not the worst thing to be become part of an anthem for sure! (if google translate is to be believed; the latter part is translated as "...than slaves upon the old ground" which has a nice ring to it)
Framedragger: to become*
mircea_popescu: "better die in battle with untarnished honor than be a slave again on the old homeland"
mircea_popescu: anyway, it was part of the ro agitation towards the ukraining of the austro-hungarian empire and giving it some parts.
mircea_popescu: (i find it no end of amusing that today the same romania isn't agitating for eating up the western third of the actuak ukraine, "historically romanian territory")
Framedragger: ah, that's a wholly other angle for looking at the thing - interesting...
mircea_popescu: yeah, all the way to akkerman (bilhorod-dnistrovskyi).
mircea_popescu: and in other hardware news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/c2d22d40cd3afddd872434e577986151/tumblr_ohsddw5ymK1socueto2_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you recall lafond's piece in which he wonders why is it women think it a good idea to try and stick their fingers up the anus while sucking cock ?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/the-male-orgasm/ << Trilema - The male orgasm
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-14#872312 << watched this recently +1 recommendation from me (it helps that i really liked meursault as a character in school.) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-10-14 06:34 mircea_popescu: anyone seen the man who wasn't there ?
mircea_popescu: trying to remember...
mircea_popescu: oh oh. yeah.
Framedragger: the main guy is meursault in my reading
mircea_popescu: not bad at all
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/vyh7f/?raw=true Saturday Shitcoin Roundup
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
Framedragger: esp. the ending, the connection is maybe *too* blunt, even: Ed goes "You get some distance on it. And, all those twists and turns, well they’re the shape of your life . . . Seeing it whole, gives you some peace.” vs meursault getting a kind of climax in his cell, pacing in circles, accepting 'benign indifference' of the universe, or somesuch (been long time ago too)
Framedragger: was pretty good, yeah.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C5ACA6E340AF73A16674435C2B980A1D57AF0FE6646BB0447F5D53D3582FF461 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1712...4053 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip-145-229.grgrid.net. PH RIZ 40)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C5ACA6E340AF73A16674435C2B980A1D57AF0FE6646BB0447F5D53D3582FF461 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1793...8607 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (ip-145-229.grgrid.net. PH RIZ 40)
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6Nqdd/?raw=true << decryptomization (they now block arch.is??!) of depdfization of the Protocols of The Elders of Trumpzion ☟︎
asciilifeform: containing gems like 'he is happy to be seen as ru stooge, to distract from the truth, where he is chinese stooge'
danielpbarron: !!up indiancandy
deedbot: indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes.
indiancandy: thanks daniek
indiancandy: im sooo bored :(
danielpbarron: did you get that key yet?
danielpbarron: !(factors 360)
danielpbarron: !!up candi_lustt
deedbot: candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
candi_lustt: danielpbarron: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/1BCtV/?raw=true
candi_lustt: deedbot: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VeNPK/?raw=true
danielpbarron: o.O
trinque: deedbot said candi_lustt, lol
candi_lustt: trinque: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/DbgLk/?raw=true
danielpbarron: !!down candi_lustt
indiancandy: whose candi lusst
indiancandy: im gona download it now
indiancandy: what do i search
danielpbarron: http://minigame.bz/ should lead you there
trinque: indiancandy: new, very obedient slut
danielpbarron: i think you want gpg4win or kleopatra or something
indiancandy: omg
indiancandy: one of ur bishes @trinque
danielpbarron: it's a programable bot
trinque: one of ben_vulpes' actually, but we tend to pass her around
trinque: or rather, commissioned by mircea_popescu
trinque: so his
trinque: danielpbarron: why you gotta ruin my fun?!11
indiancandy: who named her
indiancandy: even myfreecams has bots now
indiancandy: charlesbot
shinohai: wb indiancandy
shinohai: The joys of cam sites and their automated users.
indiancandy: kind of helpful kind of annoying
phf: Will Mark Zuckerberg Be Our Next President? (vanityfair.com) ☟︎
indiancandy: ha
shinohai doesn't think he has ever visited mfc
indiancandy: kanye 4 president
phf: i'd rather gucci mane
indiancandy: really
phf: kanye is too white, i don't want another oreo in the office
phf: if a brother's going to run this country, i want it to be a proper nigga
indiancandy: samuel l jackson
shinohai: ^
indiancandy: mmmm
indiancandy: jay z?
indiancandy: EMINMEM!!
indiancandy: gucci is hard to understand
ben_vulpes: jigga for prez
ben_vulpes: said it before, i'll say it again
indiancandy: not everyone understands the florida accent
indiancandy: why do you refer to black men as brothers
indiancandy: so if your nonblack your not a brother
indiancandy: weird
indiancandy: just my pini
indiancandy: opini
ben_vulpes: in america, non-blacks are "racists"
indiancandy: as a mass or individuals
phf: well, some black men refer to me as brother, i don't see any reason not to respond in kind
phf: !!up indiancandy
deedbot: indiancandy voiced for 30 minutes.
indiancandy: thnku
indiancandy: i duno what happened
indiancandy: im quarter black does that make me a sister
asciilifeform: is archive.is 'archive new page' broken ? or i just got lucky 3 times.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: http://www.contravex.com/bitcoin-0.8.2-macosx.dmg sha512 a11026f16805ad88c49780a890db15bc2ebab15b73cdbbcf037c9a80a328bd4db4588f62ae5b0e7f243f555d861e2a962b24f52989dc811d1b5020202c772b49
pete_dushenski: phf: lol gucci mane
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: just your bad luck. archive.is working here.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it loads here, i was speaking specifically re archive-yet-unarchived-page function.
pete_dushenski: i shoulda been more clear sorry, that part works too. here.
asciilifeform: aite
pete_dushenski: there was one day last week that it was taking upwards of an hour to archive links and they were getting stuck in queue forever, but seems to be nippy now.
netmonk: morning
pete_dushenski: hiya netmonk
ben_vulpes: candi heap expanded
pete_dushenski: "In reality I'm just hoping that maintenance doesn't end up costing me more then depreciation would over five years ownership of a new minivan."
pete_dushenski: famous last words of guy who bought hand-built unobtanium (mercedes r63 amg) and blew the engine at 100k miles. dude decided to rebuild engine ~himself~ instead of fork over $57k to stealership for engine rebuild. http://archive.is/ucbbc#selection-1829.1-1859.36
pete_dushenski: really just a point in favour of ben_vulpes' stance on such automobiles
ben_vulpes: oh fuq i would not like to undertake that project
ben_vulpes: dog a benz /minivan/?
ben_vulpes: what the hell is wrong with people
pete_dushenski: r-class was an utter sales disaster. gl/gls was introduced to save face for milfs who need to spend 2x honda odyssey money on fambly wagon
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: but if you don't undertake projects like engine rebuilding, you'll never get to bask in the glory that is the qr-code-engraved engine piston from 6.2l v8 http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p504/mazdeuce/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20170114_101951_zps2wcspwel.jpg
ben_vulpes: the depths of my hatred for ego markup consumer goods, their purchasers and advertisers simply cannot be plumbed
mircea_popescu: http://vshakah.ru/tak-proxodila-zhizn-kazhdogo-sovetskogo-shkolnika-nemnozhko-vospominanij/ << if anyone cares (spam on trilema) ☟︎
mircea_popescu owned that drawing kit for instance.
mircea_popescu: and in other instruments, http://68.media.tumblr.com/5233b3ec2ae78f05d7d7468a7f6032a4/tumblr_oajflh540y1sqb7wro4_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602954 << you know about those stale whores nobody cares about releasing "sex tapes" in the vague hope that maybe a faux air of clandestinity may spur a last drop of interest ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 18:04 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6Nqdd/?raw=true << decryptomization (they now block arch.is??!) of depdfization of the Protocols of The Elders of Trumpzion
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602989 << bwhahaha i thought they hated zuck because too uncommunist. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 18:26 phf: Will Mark Zuckerberg Be Our Next President? (vanityfair.com)
pete_dushenski: "Now 4 years old, Daliyah has read more than 1,000 books and has managed to read certain college-level texts." << in other unintentional msm hilarity very much in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-10#1600008 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-10 01:10 pete_dushenski: "In particular, the avian forebrain (the part of the brain involved in problem-solving and other higher-order cognitive capacities) is actually derived from the same neuroanatomical substrate as the mammalian forebrain, providing more potential evidence for similar cognitive capacities in the two groups (Jarvis et al. 2005)." << see ? just like you and me.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what's the mp-wp blessed method for a custom root page? i've tried writing a front-page.php (which mp-wp didn't eat, suggesting that front-page.php was a post 2.7 introduction? their documentation doesn't do time travel, so the archaeology is tough); and twiddling home.php (but i can't get home.php to behave conditionally depending on whether it's the site root) ☟︎
ben_vulpes: i suppose i could conditionally switch on the url, but i prefer the scalpel or well-chosen wrench to the sledgehammer.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1603040 << aaah! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 20:20 mircea_popescu: http://vshakah.ru/tak-proxodila-zhizn-kazhdogo-sovetskogo-shkolnika-nemnozhko-vospominanij/ << if anyone cares (spam on trilema)
asciilifeform: that ink bottle !
asciilifeform wonders if he still has one
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo you recall lafond's piece in which he wonders why is it women think it a good idea to try and stick their fingers up the anus while sucking cock ? << will have to look
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/vyh7f/?raw=true Saturday Shitcoin Roundup << Does not seem to correspond to a key in my possesion
shinohai: hmmm
shinohai: BingoBoingo: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/fNFhZ/?raw=true
asciilifeform: 'Некоторым родителям удавалось по блату достать «прибалтийскую» форму, она была приятного шоколадного цвета и шилась не из шерсти, а из какого-то мягкого материала.' << until this very day asciilifeform had nfi why some of his classmates were 'brownshirts' !
BingoBoingo: !~later tell indiancandy im quarter black does that make me a sister << Traditionally yes, because black blood is stronger
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from your spammer, http://vshakah.ru/pravda-matka-v-kartinax-rossijskaya-glubinka-v-skandalnyx-rabotax-vasiliya-shulzhenko/ >> as if specifically made for our orc thread ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-14#1602538 ) last night ! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-14 00:23 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes ; moreover i'm talking about a very specific "intellectual" thing. not in any sense intended for mass consumption. intended for perenity.
shinohai: BingoBoingo: was that key correct or did I bork something?
BingoBoingo: worked this time shinohai
shinohai: ty BingoBoingo