shinohai: Superglue can possibly be flushed out with acetone no ?
mats: takes a bit for superglue to cure
shinohai: Old keys and dremel tool. Got it.
ben_vulpes: or have they gotten to the cyanoacrylate as well
shinohai:
http://archive.is/uhJzS "In the first year, everything was just smoke," technology consultant Carlos Buendia Gallego said. "Now we’re building real things."
shinohai: Nope, still just flaming-tire-in-shitpit producing smoke.
mats: or give them away with instructions printed on a card
mats: i feel like people would notice someone carrying a torch around
shinohai: I wince at the mention of disposable camera caps
ben_vulpes: fucking cheap asymmetric warfare is the point
mats: i would imagine the purpose is to gain time against a home invader
a111: Logged on 2014-11-05 06:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've a story about those things.
mats: at least that is why i would buy one
mats: its convuluted, i know
mats: maybe home invader has a key
mats: its not really useful, just fun
ben_vulpes: there's an eerie parallel here between your microsoft 'security' links and your proposed uses for this key, mats
ben_vulpes: lolbow indeed. seven different fucking colors of wtf.
ben_vulpes: a) how would you know b) since when is taking the piss any sort of indicator of anything?!
mats: i like the new pattern
shinohai: Really? I liked the old class A's better
ben_vulpes: usg still has enough turkeybuxx for the dress duds?
mats: old grey pattern is only good for blending in with gravel
ben_vulpes: or will the economic draft entail bringing ones own scraps and sock-folding lessons
shinohai: Oh as far ACU's def better than BDU's
mats: plenty of folks had to buy their own shit for e.g. invasion of iraq
mats: sucks to be a marine
phf: i know this old vietnam guy in maryland, who's a reseller of marine supplies, for deployed marines. i couldn't believe it, when he told me. you want shit that doesn't suck, you better pay own money for it
mod6: The following have been updated: The Foundation's repository of vpatches & seals, the trb-howto.html, and the vpatch graph. You now are able to build the entire orchastra via integrated makefiles; offline (default) or online, operators choice. All through the use of vtroncis, of course.
mod6: I'd like to take the chance to humbly thank: shinohai, trinque, and ben_vulpes for their suggestions, steadfast attention to detail, and tireless efforts to get this tested and into your hands.
trinque: mod6: any time my man. thanks for your hard work.
mod6: Salud! You're most welcome. I really do appreciate your help, and certainly the abilities of your deedbot.
jhvh1: shinohai: thestringpuller was last seen in #trilema 1 day, 13 hours, and 20 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> "The main cost in the initial synchronization is disk I/O when seeking for transactions in the blockchain. Default cache size (dbcache) is 100MB, and it is too low. I always set it manually depending on the amount of RAM in the system (5GB for dbcache on a 8GB system)." << re: discussions of using SSDs on initial sync.
trinque: it's the end of the world after all, and who knows how long actual tools will be possible to purchase.
shinohai imagines a tmsr networking party after the apocalypse, hope doom can somehow run on this.
trinque: mircea_popescu was quite right to point out that linus shat out the initial linux himself, and in not so much time
a111: Logged on 2016-09-23 16:10 asciilifeform: ( the manufacturer's soft was certificably worthless, it was a java shitware , believe it )
trinque: trolling places like craigslist and ebay for vintage opterons, probably also not a bad idea
☟︎ scriba: Logged on 2016-09-24: [00:47:14] <shinohai>
http://archive.is/uhJzS "In the first year, everything was just smoke," technology consultant Carlos Buendia Gallego said. "Now we’re building real things."
shinohai: CoinDesk has went full Eth-huffer this year.
mircea_popescu: 'Church of Vitalik' In many ways, the event was evidence that, despite the rhetoric about divisions in the community, ethereum remains oddly united in the face of obstacles. This sentiment was perhaps most visible in references to ethereum creator Vitalik Buterin, with many developers (even insiders) jokingly calling the community the "church of Vitalik".
mircea_popescu: ^ best lulz in the pile. step A : call mp's thing "a sect" ; step B. observe with dismay that mp owns it ; step C decide "cults are cool now", try and claim your rapemeat agglomeration is one.
mircea_popescu: strategic inferiority is one thing ; but to fuck yourself raw with your own arms that someone had broken off and used to wipe his arse...
mircea_popescu: "But every religion has its dissenters, and the conference began with a not insignificant network issue whereby all of the nodes running ethereum’s most popular client (go ethereum) suddenly crashed upon executing a smart contract." << arguably 2nd best lulz in the pile.
phf: i haven't had to up myself in such a long time, took me a while to figure out how
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 ok, very nice thing! << thanks! Your suggestions and guidence are very much appreciated.
mod6: mircea_popescu likes the mod6-formal. << Thank you, Sir!
trinque: how do you like the lie error messages?
trinque: oh yeah, deedbot server reset the connection.
trinque: mod6: I'll read over the final vpatch tomorrow and then sign
trinque: asciilifeform: I think you'll be pleased to find that two of your objections have been resolved from the time I first posted these makefiles
a111: Logged on 2016-02-13 02:45 asciilifeform: pressing and building are philosophically distinct acts.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-13 02:45 asciilifeform: or how about where it curl's from oracle.com ?
a111: Logged on 2016-02-13 02:46 asciilifeform: or where it has 5 makefiles (why ?)
trinque: the presence of a bin folder manifest and makefile is intended to provide a place to check the sha512 hash of the built product upon such time as we can beat gcc into producing the exact same binary for a given release.
☟︎ mod6: If it's possible, it's there. If for no other reason, an optimistic reminder.
BingoBoingo: <mats> takes a bit for superglue to cure << Which is why you might as well use JB weld
mod6: One of the last changes I made was to rid the 'shit' directory, and just use one directory; 'deps'. At which point the rotor & rotor patch were deedified.
trinque: I only complain that the move wasn't towards "shit"
mod6: So finally, one ends up with 3 new dirs: bin, build, and deps.
mod6: I kinda felt like placing things like 'rotor' in 'shit'.
trinque: could very well move the bin stuff into base makefile then
trinque: but, great start. personally I'm also excited by ben_vulpes work munching blocks with lisp
trinque: time to start grokking satoshi's turd
trinque: I've been giving the forth-y scripting component some attention lately
mod6: trinque: indeed, all of this we've done so far; the easy part.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 431194 | Current Difficulty: 2.2583287217945956E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 431423 | Next Difficulty In: 229 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 19 hours, 58 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 600.72, vol: 3880.97451494 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 602.365, vol: 4099.89704 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 605.45, vol: 1773.4936795 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 601.851498, vol: 225708.77870000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 605.632, vol: 503.85252645 | Volume-weighted last average: 601.876928363
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4014.8, vol: 225708.68710000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4014.8
jhvh1: You are very welcome Daddy
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mircea_popescu: hurr. where the fuck do they keep coming from, these idiots.
mircea_popescu: in other news, let's play "find the source". here goes :
mircea_popescu: "The spirit of Jacobinism, if not entirely a new spirit, has at least been cloathed with a more gigantic body and armed with more powerful weapons than it ever before possessed. It is perhaps not too much to say, that it threatens more extensive and complicated mischiefs to the world than have hitherto flowed from the three great scourges of mankind, WAR, PESTILENCE and FAMINE. To what point it will ultimately lead society, i
mircea_popescu: t is impossible for human foresight to pronounce ; but there is just ground to apprehend that its progress may be marked with calamities of which the dreadful incidents of the French revolution afford a very faint image."
mircea_popescu: thanks god "pop psychology", "religious dogmatism" and other such useful labels are provided by god immediately through direct affixion to subject matter. especially useful - "artistic narcissism".
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 03:23 trinque: trolling places like craigslist and ebay for vintage opterons, probably also not a bad idea
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 04:33 trinque: the presence of a bin folder manifest and makefile is intended to provide a place to check the sha512 hash of the built product upon such time as we can beat gcc into producing the exact same binary for a given release.
mircea_popescu envisions this endgame state for his own 70s, where he keeps getting excited and writing articles in a fury, which are slowly decaying copies of already extant trilema articles.
shinohai: I envision the future being mircea_popescu 's head in a jar, labeled "Trilema" ala Richard Nixon from Futurama
shinohai: Hopefully not a workbench weight like the pogo.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: incidentally, in re
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544304 : the more scholarly inclined readers may know that the greeks had a very interesting method of constructive geometry called neusis. it consists of marked edge and pin, where you rotate the edge around a certain point. this allows you to, for instance, draw polygons with 10 or 12 faces but not 11 ; and to trisect the angle.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 18:42 mircea_popescu: e truthiness and just follow the hand", such pinnacle of achievement in imbecility, and try to fucking draw the outer square yourself.
mircea_popescu: this last problem is unsolvable (and proved as such, by an early application of galois theory even before galois got around to publishing it) in the classical paradigm of compass and straight edge.
mircea_popescu: however that "classical" paradigm is interesting in itself : the greeks knew of neusis ; and used it. but eventually it fell in disfavour, because a) people are lazy and b) a guy named hippocrates (of kios) ran a campaign against it. presumably because it gave his aunt cancer.
mircea_popescu: so the new method (easier! better!) also couldn't do some things the old (cancer! terrorist!) method could do ; and that something became a major point of crank science throughout the ~2k years of history this paradigm prevailed.
mircea_popescu: perhaps the earliest attestable case of "global warming" in "science".
shinohai: TIL Hippocrates of Kios was the Hellenistic Al Gore
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 14:22 shinohai: Hopefully not a workbench weight like the pogo.
BingoBoingo: For other people vice is workbench weight (they don't know how to mount it)
shinohai: Well it isn't really weight I guess, I do rsync trb blockchain to it. So it has uses.
shinohai: asciilifeform: Did you do any further experiments on the mycloud mini ?
shinohai: I didn't snore, I almost bought one but yeah lack of ram made me wait
shinohai: Probably not practical idea until mem leak is plugged in trb
jhvh1: asciilifeform: jurov was last seen in #trilema 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <jurov> Framedragger: irc also floods you with everythign in all channels, it' responisibility of your client to neatly sort it out
phf: asciilifeform: i like how your hardware suggestions result in buying sprees.
☟︎ shinohai: Have you tried throwing feces at it?
a111: Logged on 2015-09-28 21:22 phf: this goes back to tom knight and the lisp machine koan. you can't substitute understanding, and every piece of your stack where your understanding is limited by "stuff is happening i think" is going to bite you in the ass. specifically you can't take an opaque blob that barely runs on dev's machine and expect it to cleanly deploy, and no amount of container is going to change that.
phf: haha, it was, actually i thought it was something unrelated, because tom knight koan comes up ~a lot~
phf: one i first read those i thought to myself "that's cute but only 4? that's kind of limited". took me like 15 years to realize that not understanding of those is at the root of all computer folly
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
jhvh1: You are very welcome Daddy
phf:
http://unicode.org/faq/emoji_dingbats.html includes such wonderful questions as "Once the Unicode Consortium encodes an emoji character, when will it appear on my phone?" and "But the Unicode Standard includes other flags, why don’t you include my flag?"
phf: "Five symbol modifier characters that provide for a range of skin tones for human emoji were released in Unicode Version 8.0 (mid-2015). These characters are based on the six tones of the Fitzpatrick scale, a recognized standard for dermatology (there are many examples of this scale online, such as FitzpatrickSkinType.pdfexternal link). The exact shades may vary between implementations."
phf: "When a human emoji is not immediately followed by a emoji modifier character, it should use a generic, non-realistic skin tone, such as:" (yellow, blue, gray)
phf: well, remember that really old thread where we were deciding if tmsr material is ascii or utf-8 or somesuch, and i was saying "the implications of importing all the unicode shit is that we will have to support unicode libraries" etc
phf: i suppose the solution is the same, cap it at version X
phf: so you can use "zero width joiner" to combine a Fitzpatrick diverse boy/girl/man/woman into a back-of-ford-truck family sticker
phf: i wonder if they are going to make a man|zero-width-joiner|boy sequence invalid, to fight pedophilia
a111: Logged on 2015-10-31 16:24 phf: some hypothetical b-a os and internal consistency of the whole model. if you say "we support utf-8" here, you're also saying "we support unicode x.y" everywhere
jurov: phf: zero width is prolly okay, negative-width-joiner would be illegal
BingoBoingo: <phf> "When a human emoji is not immediately followed by a emoji modifier character, it should use a generic, non-realistic skin tone, such as:" (yellow, blue, gray) << AHA the skin tones of real alcoholics, apneics, and anemics apparently aren't real!
phf: hey that sounds dangerously like it can belong to a white male
mod6: <+asciilifeform>
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548016 << this is very spiffy and finally obsoletes the ad-hoc thing i've been using since rotor 1 - finally i can use mod6's script. will test later this weekend. << hey thanks! let us know how it goes.
☝︎ deedbot: lontongmie voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: I love the use of "amateurish balderdash".
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 15:03 phf: asciilifeform: i like how your hardware suggestions result in buying sprees.
trinque: I used to work for the first company that manufactured server blades...
trinque: reddit-level circlejerk right there.
trinque: bad freenode weather lately..
trinque: folks in #fleanode chattering about DDOS
mircea_popescu: boy is freenode in a sorry state. currently five servers up, of which 130.239.18.119 and 193.10.255.100 are down solid. which leaves three.
mircea_popescu: used to be 12+ last year ; this thing is definitely going away.
ben_vulpes: interestingly, could not connect over ssl
trinque: ben_vulpes: DDOS SSL endpoints, get cleartext passwords, ..., profit?
ben_vulpes: freenode passwords are useless as an authentication mechanism. the republic has an authentication mechanism, it is gpg-via-deedbot.
ben_vulpes: !~later tell mod6 good to see that out in the wild
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
scriba: Hello, world! My uptime is 0:18:00.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you auto-nuke youtube links iirc?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If see a video on youtube and want to link it on Qntra comments do the responsible thing. Use youtube-dl and then rehost the video.
BingoBoingo: There is no reason to add value to youtube by allowing links to it.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> !~later tell mod6 good to see that out in the wild << thanks! And again, thanks for your help. :]
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> used to be 12+ last year ; this thing is definitely going away. << sounds like it
mod6: !~ later tell trinque anond_ here needs some help getting regstered with deedbot for eulora. he tried to register, althought I'm not sure if it worked. can you check it out for him?
jhvh1: mod6: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: anond voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: !!gettrust anond deedbot
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
mod6: anond: try to register again in her.
mod6: with like: !!register <FP>
anond: should i give the register command here?
mod6: yeah, a lot of people do. nothing to worry about.
anond: i have done the msg/register command here
anond: but nothing happened
mod6: i believe that a prerequsite is having your key in a keyserver.
mod6: because I think that deedbot grabs the pubkey from there, although i may certainly be wrong
anond: this is the point where i have a doubt
anond: maybe you may help me?
mod6: and it's not instant, i.e. if you send your key to a key server, it may be some hours before it can be queried successfully by deedbot.
mod6: sure, one thing you can do, is give me your fingerprint
mod6: and i'll look it up
anond: i have done around 30 minutes ago
anond: but probabily have to wait more
mod6: ahhh, ok then ya. might take a bit yet.
anond: but i havent a doubt about if the process of upload the key was all correct
mod6: maybe check back tomorrow, or later tonight if nothing else.
anond: may you help with a specific doubt in this?
mod6: about all i can do is try to look up your FP in some sks keyserver to see if its there to resolve that dependency.
anond: well it can be also
anond: i have genreated a text file with extension .asc with a header plus the key plus a footer...does you understand? oes you know what is?
mod6: does it say something like "PGP PUBLIC KEY" at the top?
anond: the header is "-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----"
mod6: yes, ok. good. that is your public key.
mod6: that is the thing you need to send to the key server.
anond: the problem is that below the header.... between the header and the key.....appears the words " Version: GnuPG v2"" that i dont know if should remove or keep before upload to the servers...
mod6: don't change what's in the key.
mod6: typically we suggest using version 1.4.x, but that part is entirely up to you.
anond: the .asc file is like this:
mod6: don't paste your whole key in here pls.
anond: 1º line: "-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----"
anond: 2º line: "Version: GnuPG v2"
anond: 3º line: "mQENBFfm3n8BCAC4N9zJjW............."
mod6: yup, nothing wrong with that.
anond: the rest of the key and then the footer
mod6: yup, which is fine. just need to submit that entire key to the keyserver.
anond: ok..the its done..i havent removed the second line before to upload
mod6: you can do that two ways.
mod6: here's a link to copy in your entire key and paste it:
anond: waht is the other way?
mod6: or you can read `man gpg` and look up --send-keys
anond: the ASCII-armored PGP includes the header and footer?
mod6: yup, you need everything from:
mod6: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
mod6: -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
mod6: “So don’t forget to place your orders by calling 1-800-POO-BLOW before supplies run out!”
mod6: im actually having a hard time NOT calling that number.
anond: mod6, how i do a search? ...what to put in 'Search String:'
mod6: either the email address, or 'nickname' or name you placed when making this key.
mod6: or even better, your fingerprint, or keyid.
anond: ok . i wiil try key id
mod6: iirc placing '0x' infront of the finger print seems to work better?
mod6: might be wrong about that. sks sucks.
anond: No results found: No keys found
mod6: after submission of your key, it takes a while for sks to process and index the key so it can be "searchable"
mod6: figure, hours, not minutes.
mod6: lol, what can ya do?
deedbot: anond voiced for 30 minutes.
anond: these command are automatic?
mod6: well, not really. once you are registered, you'll be able to msg deedbot directly and do the !!up command yourself.
mod6: which consists of getting an encrypted otp from deedbot, derypting it, then feeding the otp back to deedbot with !!v <OTP>
mod6: then, if successful, you'll be voiced.
anond: ok.. maybe i would do authenticated login
anond: thanks ...all this is alot of new info..
mod6: np. yah, it takes a few times.
anond: this is very crazy and cool
anond: i hope i may learn more
mod6: ah, welcome to it :]
mod6: there's a rich history in the logs dating back to early 2013.
mod6: participation in this channel encourages reading back at least 6 months from now.
anond: yes..maybe in the near future i myght do that
anond: how i may have sure that i will be able to go back to this channel
anond: as yousee i am not used to use IRC
mod6: i think what you require, is just to be able /join #trilema, have your key registered with deedbot, and have at least one rating from a Lord.
mod6: one non-negitive rating, that is.
mod6: are you familiar with the WoT (web of trust)?
mod6: stormy with a chance of packeting
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Error: "weather" is not a valid command.
jhvh1: stormy with a chance of packeting
deedbot: anond voiced for 30 minutes.
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BingoBoingo:
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/fishies.htm << "The "Environmental Defense Fund"'s darling is farmed catfish. Perhaps they see a lot of themselves in bottom-feeding scum-sucking slime-covered toothless scavengers tossed free food. The Mekong giant catfish, Pangasianodon gigas, has hit 660 lb - but only if you give generously and often. "