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mats: http://www.sparrowslockpicks.com/product_p/sb.htm
asciilifeform: mats: how does this beat the traditional 'superglue' ?
shinohai: Superglue can possibly be flushed out with acetone no ?
mats: takes a bit for superglue to cure
asciilifeform: anyway photo has enough detail to make this tool by yourself. try it...
asciilifeform: it isn't even a mega-puzzler to see why it worx.
shinohai: Old keys and dremel tool. Got it.
asciilifeform: thing's a ratchet.
asciilifeform: the pins in the lock end up wedged in it.
ben_vulpes: > a bit
ben_vulpes: like what, 2 minutes?
asciilifeform: presumably, permanently
ben_vulpes: or have they gotten to the cyanoacrylate as well
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: subj looks like it is purely mechanical tool.
shinohai: http://archive.is/uhJzS "In the first year, everything was just smoke," technology consultant Carlos Buendia Gallego said. "Now we’re building real things."
shinohai: Nope, still just flaming-tire-in-shitpit producing smoke.
asciilifeform: mats, ben_vulpes : betcha it wouldn't be hard to make a grinder that cranks these out , from old house keys
asciilifeform: make a box full, take out an entire street, ideal vandal
mats: lol
mats: or give them away with instructions printed on a card
asciilifeform: btw a spotwelder version of this would be ~infinitely reusable.
asciilifeform: probably belongs in mircea_popescu's theoretical 'no one could have foreseen' toolkit article.
ben_vulpes: as in weld the keys into the door?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as in fuse pins to the cylinder
asciilifeform: capacitative.
mats: i feel like people would notice someone carrying a torch around
asciilifeform: mats: wouldn't need to look like 'torch'
asciilifeform: just a pocket-sized thing.
ben_vulpes: disposable camera!
ben_vulpes: has caps already
ben_vulpes: *zap*
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: did i ever tell the tale of when i attempted to weld with such a camera
asciilifeform: pretty sure that i did
shinohai: I wince at the mention of disposable camera caps
ben_vulpes: not afair
asciilifeform: at any rate i'm not certain what is the point of this, victim can still escape from window
ben_vulpes: fucking cheap asymmetric warfare is the point
mats: i would imagine the purpose is to gain time against a home invader
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, shinohai -- http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-05#911017☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-11-05 06:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've a story about those things.
mats: at least that is why i would buy one
mats: (or make it)
asciilifeform: mats: how the hell does it help against invader ? key hole is ~outside~
ben_vulpes: ah
shinohai: ahahahaha asciilifeform
mats: its convuluted, i know
mats: maybe home invader has a key
asciilifeform: mats: if invader has a key, he shoots you in your bed
mats: its not really useful, just fun
asciilifeform: fun to trap self in own house, ahaha
mats: other people
asciilifeform: ~other~ people - yes.
ben_vulpes: there's an eerie parallel here between your microsoft 'security' links and your proposed uses for this key, mats
mats: low blow
ben_vulpes: lolbow indeed. seven different fucking colors of wtf.
mats: you hate me man
ben_vulpes: a) how would you know b) since when is taking the piss any sort of indicator of anything?!
mats: i'm kidding
asciilifeform in hammock, reading treatise on ww2 u.s. army dress, thinks of mats
asciilifeform: the modern dress is a snore. and pixellated, as if in '90s shooter. looks nearly comical in the flesh.
mats: i like the new pattern
shinohai: Really? I liked the old class A's better
ben_vulpes: usg still has enough turkeybuxx for the dress duds?
mats: http://www.armyuniformchanges.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/OCP.jpg
mats: old grey pattern is only good for blending in with gravel
ben_vulpes: or will the economic draft entail bringing ones own scraps and sock-folding lessons
shinohai: Oh as far ACU's def better than BDU's
mats: plenty of folks had to buy their own shit for e.g. invasion of iraq
mats: sucks to be a marine
phf: i know this old vietnam guy in maryland, who's a reseller of marine supplies, for deployed marines. i couldn't believe it, when he told me. you want shit that doesn't suck, you better pay own money for it
mod6: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, TMSR~ and General Assembly: I'd like to present, on behalf of The Bitcoin Foundation: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-September/000234.html
mod6: The following have been updated: The Foundation's repository of vpatches & seals, the trb-howto.html, and the vpatch graph. You now are able to build the entire orchastra via integrated makefiles; offline (default) or online, operators choice. All through the use of vtroncis, of course.
mod6: I'd like to take the chance to humbly thank: shinohai, trinque, and ben_vulpes for their suggestions, steadfast attention to detail, and tireless efforts to get this tested and into your hands.
mod6: o7
shinohai: o7
shinohai: Also added btc-dev to twitterbot: https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/779509581298929665
trinque: mod6: any time my man. thanks for your hard work.
mod6: Salud! You're most welcome. I really do appreciate your help, and certainly the abilities of your deedbot.
shinohai: !~seen thestringpuller
jhvh1: shinohai: thestringpuller was last seen in #trilema 1 day, 13 hours, and 20 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> "The main cost in the initial synchronization is disk I/O when seeking for transactions in the blockchain. Default cache size (dbcache) is 100MB, and it is too low. I always set it manually depending on the amount of RAM in the system (5GB for dbcache on a 8GB system)." << re: discussions of using SSDs on initial sync.
trinque: echoing asciilifeform, I recommend anyone that has an interest in the future of republican computing purchases this asap http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48524
trinque: it's the end of the world after all, and who knows how long actual tools will be possible to purchase.
shinohai imagines a tmsr networking party after the apocalypse, hope doom can somehow run on this.
trinque: mircea_popescu was quite right to point out that linus shat out the initial linux himself, and in not so much time
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547729 << the imagination staggers.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-23 16:10 asciilifeform: ( the manufacturer's soft was certificably worthless, it was a java shitware , believe it )
trinque: trolling places like craigslist and ebay for vintage opterons, probably also not a bad idea
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160923/#544 << why are you so fixated on reddit anyways☝︎
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-23: [23:49:54] <asciilifeform> aaaaan' let's try the pig again: https://www.reddit.com/r/security/comments/547pt1/54_and_counting_ssh_public_keys_factored/
mircea_popescu: and in other "schooling in touch with feelings" stories, http://67.media.tumblr.com/cf98abdf68ca132d5f050aa5bd77aeb2/tumblr_n11ic7ny9s1t1ja2oo1_500.gif
shinohai: http://archive.is/sMtvM <<< All aboard the Hindenburg train!
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160924/#15 <<< bwahahaha le usg is ready to pump even moar dough and loser-hours into this thing ?☝︎
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-24: [00:47:14] <shinohai> http://archive.is/uhJzS "In the first year, everything was just smoke," technology consultant Carlos Buendia Gallego said. "Now we’re building real things."
mircea_popescu: epic.
shinohai: CoinDesk has went full Eth-huffer this year.
mircea_popescu: 'Church of Vitalik' In many ways, the event was evidence that, despite the rhetoric about divisions in the community, ethereum remains oddly united in the face of obstacles. This sentiment was perhaps most visible in references to ethereum creator Vitalik Buterin, with many developers (even insiders) jokingly calling the community the "church of Vitalik".
mircea_popescu: ^ best lulz in the pile. step A : call mp's thing "a sect" ; step B. observe with dismay that mp owns it ; step C decide "cults are cool now", try and claim your rapemeat agglomeration is one.
mircea_popescu: strategic inferiority is one thing ; but to fuck yourself raw with your own arms that someone had broken off and used to wipe his arse...
mircea_popescu: "But every religion has its dissenters, and the conference began with a not insignificant network issue whereby all of the nodes running ethereum’s most popular client (go ethereum) suddenly crashed upon executing a smart contract." << arguably 2nd best lulz in the pile.
mircea_popescu: i have been entertained.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160924/#65 << wise choice then ? :D☝︎
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F1D64166EF73F8BE6C16C0BA57218C67EACBA9839F58893858622BB11B0071DC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 168638246933202027422050642429749431015537230992318340365570882616403689471409401020138553120124066356009864693982343520874509550890671120511782077035315289201586039713696005217253034558261956482596111076944819988905108180333306795620181692852133128494385109887341386517907988458718170224508756534142874205617 divides RS
mircea_popescu: eee
phf: i haven't had to up myself in such a long time, took me a while to figure out how
mod6: phf: heheh
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 ok, very nice thing! << thanks! Your suggestions and guidence are very much appreciated.
mod6: mircea_popescu likes the mod6-formal. << Thank you, Sir!
mod6: <+shinohai> http://archive.is/sMtvM <<< All aboard the Hindenburg train! << i lel'd.
trinque: how do you like the lie error messages?
trinque: that always gets me
trinque: oh yeah, deedbot server reset the connection.
trinque: mod6: I'll read over the final vpatch tomorrow and then sign
trinque: asciilifeform: I think you'll be pleased to find that two of your objections have been resolved from the time I first posted these makefiles
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-13#1404462 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-13#1404463☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-02-13 02:45 asciilifeform: pressing and building are philosophically distinct acts.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-13 02:45 asciilifeform: or how about where it curl's from oracle.com ?
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-13#1404464 << this I think is still merited, in that the separation of at least "deps" and "shit" is meant to encourage *cutting them off*☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-02-13 02:46 asciilifeform: or where it has 5 makefiles (why ?)
trinque: the presence of a bin folder manifest and makefile is intended to provide a place to check the sha512 hash of the built product upon such time as we can beat gcc into producing the exact same binary for a given release.
mod6: If it's possible, it's there. If for no other reason, an optimistic reminder.
BingoBoingo: <mats> takes a bit for superglue to cure << Which is why you might as well use JB weld
mod6: One of the last changes I made was to rid the 'shit' directory, and just use one directory; 'deps'. At which point the rotor & rotor patch were deedified.
trinque: I only complain that the move wasn't towards "shit"
trinque: :D
mod6: So finally, one ends up with 3 new dirs: bin, build, and deps.
mod6: Ah, lol.
mod6: I kinda felt like placing things like 'rotor' in 'shit'.
mod6: *wasn't accurate.
trinque just being an asshole
trinque: could very well move the bin stuff into base makefile then
mod6: Yes. Certainly.
trinque: but, great start. personally I'm also excited by ben_vulpes work munching blocks with lisp
trinque: time to start grokking satoshi's turd
trinque: I've been giving the forth-y scripting component some attention lately
BingoBoingo: shinohai: you forgot blockquote tags
mod6: trinque: indeed, all of this we've done so far; the easy part.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/bitxatm-experiences-internal-orifice-exploitation/ << Qntra - BitXatm Experiences Internal Orifice Exploitation
trinque: g'night all.
mod6: gn!
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 431194 | Current Difficulty: 2.2583287217945956E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 431423 | Next Difficulty In: 229 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 19 hours, 58 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 600.72, vol: 3880.97451494 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 602.365, vol: 4099.89704 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 605.45, vol: 1773.4936795 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 601.851498, vol: 225708.77870000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 605.632, vol: 503.85252645 | Volume-weighted last average: 601.876928363
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all --currency rmb
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4014.8, vol: 225708.68710000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4014.8
BingoBoingo: !~ty
jhvh1: You are very welcome Daddy
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160924/#156 << "o hey, we made false promises and if you believed us it cost you money but it's ok! we told the state about it!"☝︎
scriba: Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
scriba: Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x92 in position 1371: invalid start byte]
mircea_popescu: hurr. where the fuck do they keep coming from, these idiots.
mircea_popescu: in other news, let's play "find the source". here goes :
mircea_popescu: "The spirit of Jacobinism, if not entirely a new spirit, has at least been cloathed with a more gigantic body and armed with more powerful weapons than it ever before possessed. It is perhaps not too much to say, that it threatens more extensive and complicated mischiefs to the world than have hitherto flowed from the three great scourges of mankind, WAR, PESTILENCE and FAMINE. To what point it will ultimately lead society, i
mircea_popescu: t is impossible for human foresight to pronounce ; but there is just ground to apprehend that its progress may be marked with calamities of which the dreadful incidents of the French revolution afford a very faint image."
mircea_popescu: ahahahah steven dutch is hysterical. check out his like-this-not-like-that likbez : Да : http://www.uwgb.edu/DutchS/Graphics-Other/PSCI/IntelDomain.gif Нет : http://www.uwgb.edu/DutchS/Graphics-Other/PSCI/IntelCCult.gif
mircea_popescu: thanks god "pop psychology", "religious dogmatism" and other such useful labels are provided by god immediately through direct affixion to subject matter. especially useful - "artistic narcissism".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548032 << the mobos (esp. quality ones) are far scarcer☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 03:23 trinque: trolling places like craigslist and ebay for vintage opterons, probably also not a bad idea
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548047 << this, interestingly, is a duped mod, wonder how many of it will be found☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 04:07 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F1D64166EF73F8BE6C16C0BA57218C67EACBA9839F58893858622BB11B0071DC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 168638246933202027422050642429749431015537230992318340365570882616403689471409401020138553120124066356009864693982343520874509550890671120511782077035315289201586039713696005217253034558261956482596111076944819988905108180333306795620181692852133128494385109887341386517907988458718170224508756534142874205617 divides RS
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548016 << this is very spiffy and finally obsoletes the ad-hoc thing i've been using since rotor 1 - finally i can use mod6's script. will test later this weekend.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 02:33 mod6: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, TMSR~ and General Assembly: I'd like to present, on behalf of The Bitcoin Foundation: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-September/000234.html
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548064 << with deterministic deps and gcc, etc, ought to be trivial☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 04:33 trinque: the presence of a bin folder manifest and makefile is intended to provide a place to check the sha512 hash of the built product upon such time as we can beat gcc into producing the exact same binary for a given release.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548100 << iirc prof dutch is (now) in his 70s. he grew up in a ~working civilization, where the - yes - unexamined #includes - still added up to something ~sensible.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 12:32 mircea_popescu: ahahahah steven dutch is hysterical. check out his like-this-not-like-that likbez : Да : http://www.uwgb.edu/DutchS/Graphics-Other/PSCI/IntelDomain.gif Нет : http://www.uwgb.edu/DutchS/Graphics-Other/PSCI/IntelCCult.gif
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform too late, i've beheaded him.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc you already beheaded him 2yrs ago during the tile groups thread
asciilifeform: how many heads does this dude have
mircea_popescu: lmao.
mircea_popescu: my memory is short and dysfunctional.
asciilifeform: hey, if it regrows heads !
mircea_popescu envisions this endgame state for his own 70s, where he keeps getting excited and writing articles in a fury, which are slowly decaying copies of already extant trilema articles.
asciilifeform: lel
asciilifeform: most essayists get there if they live enough
shinohai: I envision the future being mircea_popescu 's head in a jar, labeled "Trilema" ala Richard Nixon from Futurama
asciilifeform: shinohai: with the fish food!1111
shinohai: :D
asciilifeform: trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548026 << i might have already linked to it, but the ~second~ version of the board is significantly better (2x the ram, digital vga) BUT doesn't come with probe.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 02:57 trinque: echoing asciilifeform, I recommend anyone that has an interest in the future of republican computing purchases this asap http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48524
asciilifeform: btw do the folks gettin' excited over this item understand what it is actually for ?
shinohai: Hopefully not a workbench weight like the pogo.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, in re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544304 : the more scholarly inclined readers may know that the greeks had a very interesting method of constructive geometry called neusis. it consists of marked edge and pin, where you rotate the edge around a certain point. this allows you to, for instance, draw polygons with 10 or 12 faces but not 11 ; and to trisect the angle.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 18:42 mircea_popescu: e truthiness and just follow the hand", such pinnacle of achievement in imbecility, and try to fucking draw the outer square yourself.
mircea_popescu: this last problem is unsolvable (and proved as such, by an early application of galois theory even before galois got around to publishing it) in the classical paradigm of compass and straight edge.
mircea_popescu: however that "classical" paradigm is interesting in itself : the greeks knew of neusis ; and used it. but eventually it fell in disfavour, because a) people are lazy and b) a guy named hippocrates (of kios) ran a campaign against it. presumably because it gave his aunt cancer.
mircea_popescu: so the new method (easier! better!) also couldn't do some things the old (cancer! terrorist!) method could do ; and that something became a major point of crank science throughout the ~2k years of history this paradigm prevailed.
mircea_popescu: perhaps the earliest attestable case of "global warming" in "science".
shinohai: TIL Hippocrates of Kios was the Hellenistic Al Gore
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/tight-science-loose-pseudoscience-and-a-warm-pot-to-piss-in-intellectually-speaking/ << Trilema - Tight Science, Loose Pseudoscience, and a Warm Pot to Piss In (intellectually speaking)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548127 << if yer buying it and don't know what for , it'll be a weight☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 14:22 shinohai: Hopefully not a workbench weight like the pogo.
mircea_popescu: wait what ? pogo is no good now ?
BingoBoingo: for some people
BingoBoingo: For other people vice is workbench weight (they don't know how to mount it)
shinohai: Well it isn't really weight I guess, I do rsync trb blockchain to it. So it has uses.
mircea_popescu: i still have a crate of them stashed.
asciilifeform: pogo is great if your proggy isn't a memory hog.
asciilifeform: i still have a bunch of'em, they have 10,001 uses.
asciilifeform: shinohai: don't expect to do much trb on the g1 board that comes with the sage - it has soldered-down 1GB of ram
asciilifeform: (which is still 8x moar than pogo...)
asciilifeform: i will spell out here, what the thing is for. it is for os development, and specifically those aspects that cannot be done under, e.g., qemu, namely -- diddling of live hardware (nics, vga, etc)
asciilifeform: and cpu init (bios routines)
asciilifeform: and reverse-engineering of heathen iron (various pci cards, and their winblows drivers)
shinohai: asciilifeform: Did you do any further experiments on the mycloud mini ?
shinohai: (as pogo upgrade)
asciilifeform: probe lets you stop a running cpu; from instruction 0 after powerup, if you want; set breakpoints anywhere in memory (incl. smm); issue arbitrary bus cycles; read/write all regs; etc
asciilifeform: shinohai: i got it jtag'd and then folks said 'snore' and i boxed it up, put on shelf.
asciilifeform: shinohai: it isn't a game-changing box, is the problem, it still has very small ram
shinohai: I didn't snore, I almost bought one but yeah lack of ram made me wait
asciilifeform: shinohai: trb memory pighoggery prevents the practical trbification of any of these. but it is ~impossible to fix without rewriting good chunk of it.
asciilifeform: so it was not yet done, and i don't expect to see it done any time soon.
asciilifeform: the bleeding edge, afaik, is still jurov's
shinohai: Probably not practical idea until mem leak is plugged in trb
asciilifeform: shinohai: aside from the 300 bt / block, THERE IS NO LEAK
asciilifeform: OMFG does ANYONE read logs
shinohai: >.<
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000186.html
asciilifeform: !~seen jurov
jhvh1: asciilifeform: jurov was last seen in #trilema 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <jurov> Framedragger: irc also floods you with everythign in all channels, it' responisibility of your client to neatly sort it out
asciilifeform: there is fragging. which is why current trb runs indefinitely in a footprint of ~4GB.
phf: asciilifeform: i like how your hardware suggestions result in buying sprees.
asciilifeform: phf: i'd prefer that they did not
asciilifeform: at least, not without thought.
phf: "i like how"
asciilifeform: see also the sacramental 'Knight, seeing what the student was doing, spoke sternly: “You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong.”'
shinohai: Have you tried throwing feces at it?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-28#1287058☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-09-28 21:22 phf: this goes back to tom knight and the lisp machine koan. you can't substitute understanding, and every piece of your stack where your understanding is limited by "stuff is happening i think" is going to bite you in the ass. specifically you can't take an opaque blob that barely runs on dev's machine and expect it to cleanly deploy, and no amount of container is going to change that.
asciilifeform: this was a laddel thread, wasnnit.
asciilifeform looks, finds, unsurprised, yes. it was.
phf: haha, it was, actually i thought it was something unrelated, because tom knight koan comes up ~a lot~
phf: one i first read those i thought to myself "that's cute but only 4? that's kind of limited". took me like 15 years to realize that not understanding of those is at the root of all computer folly
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/tight-science-loose-pseudoscience-and-a-warm-pot-to-piss-in-intellectually-speaking/#comment-119225
asciilifeform: phf: and yes.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1pZ6
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~ty shinohai
jhvh1: You are very welcome Daddy
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/thermos-becomes-pressurized-container/ << Qntra - Thermos Becomes Pressurized Container
phf: http://unicode.org/faq/emoji_dingbats.html includes such wonderful questions as "Once the Unicode Consortium encodes an emoji character, when will it appear on my phone?" and "But the Unicode Standard includes other flags, why don’t you include my flag?"
phf: "Five symbol modifier characters that provide for a range of skin tones for human emoji were released in Unicode Version 8.0 (mid-2015). These characters are based on the six tones of the Fitzpatrick scale, a recognized standard for dermatology (there are many examples of this scale online, such as FitzpatrickSkinType.pdfexternal link). The exact shades may vary between implementations."
asciilifeform: phf: approx as interesting in practice as prb
asciilifeform: we will not be importing this crapolade.
asciilifeform: anywhere.
asciilifeform: let it live in the leprosorium where it belongs.
phf: "When a human emoji is not immediately followed by a emoji modifier character, it should use a generic, non-realistic skin tone, such as:" (yellow, blue, gray)
phf: well, remember that really old thread where we were deciding if tmsr material is ascii or utf-8 or somesuch, and i was saying "the implications of importing all the unicode shit is that we will have to support unicode libraries" etc
phf: i suppose the solution is the same, cap it at version X
phf: so you can use "zero width joiner" to combine a Fitzpatrick diverse boy/girl/man/woman into a back-of-ford-truck family sticker
phf: i wonder if they are going to make a man|zero-width-joiner|boy sequence invalid, to fight pedophilia
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-31#1312696☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-10-31 16:24 phf: some hypothetical b-a os and internal consistency of the whole model. if you say "we support utf-8" here, you're also saying "we support unicode x.y" everywhere
jurov: phf: zero width is prolly okay, negative-width-joiner would be illegal
BingoBoingo: <phf> "When a human emoji is not immediately followed by a emoji modifier character, it should use a generic, non-realistic skin tone, such as:" (yellow, blue, gray) << AHA the skin tones of real alcoholics, apneics, and anemics apparently aren't real!
phf: hey that sounds dangerously like it can belong to a white male
BingoBoingo: Don't Juge! Check your bull's privileige!
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548016 << this is very spiffy and finally obsoletes the ad-hoc thing i've been using since rotor 1 - finally i can use mod6's script. will test later this weekend. << hey thanks! let us know how it goes.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 02:33 mod6: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, TMSR~ and General Assembly: I'd like to present, on behalf of The Bitcoin Foundation: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-September/000234.html
mircea_popescu: !!up lontongmie
deedbot: lontongmie voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: I love the use of "amateurish balderdash".
mod6: Good read.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548167 << somebody claiming I don't understand that I've bought a CPU debugger?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-24 15:03 phf: asciilifeform: i like how your hardware suggestions result in buying sprees.
trinque: I used to work for the first company that manufactured server blades...
trinque: reddit-level circlejerk right there.
trinque: bad freenode weather lately..
shinohai: indeed
trinque: folks in #fleanode chattering about DDOS
mircea_popescu: boy is freenode in a sorry state. currently five servers up, of which 130.239.18.119 and 193.10.255.100 are down solid. which leaves three.
mircea_popescu: used to be 12+ last year ; this thing is definitely going away.
ben_vulpes: interestingly, could not connect over ssl
mircea_popescu checks scriba, sees log works. nice.
trinque: ben_vulpes: DDOS SSL endpoints, get cleartext passwords, ..., profit?
mircea_popescu: cheaper to just ghost nicks neh
ben_vulpes: that last bit though
ben_vulpes: freenode passwords are useless as an authentication mechanism. the republic has an authentication mechanism, it is gpg-via-deedbot.
ben_vulpes: !~later tell mod6 good to see that out in the wild
jhvh1: ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
Framedragger: !$ hello
scriba: Hello, world! My uptime is 0:18:00.
Framedragger: ah, for once it recovers.
Framedragger: /me pats
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/not-quite-news-roundup-xtend-7/ << Qntra - Not Quite News Roundup Xtend 7
BingoBoingo: Seven weeks a roundup xtend!
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you auto-nuke youtube links iirc?
BingoBoingo: Not auto-nuke, auto SPAM
BingoBoingo: More severe than nuke
ben_vulpes: hey hey the gang's all here
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: https://youtu.be/zJvYo5pZEfE?t=200 << the good good kicks in around t=200
shinohai: Nice roundup BingoBoingo !
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: If see a video on youtube and want to link it on Qntra comments do the responsible thing. Use youtube-dl and then rehost the video.
BingoBoingo: ty shinohai
ben_vulpes: ho ho ho
BingoBoingo: There is no reason to add value to youtube by allowing links to it.
deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/portland-road-etiquette << CH - Portland Road Etiquette
mod6: again huh
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> !~later tell mod6 good to see that out in the wild << thanks! And again, thanks for your help. :]
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> used to be 12+ last year ; this thing is definitely going away. << sounds like it
BingoBoingo: Wait is Freenode gone yet?
shinohai switches to gossipd
mod6: soon-ish.
mod6: !~ later tell trinque anond_ here needs some help getting regstered with deedbot for eulora. he tried to register, althought I'm not sure if it worked. can you check it out for him?
jhvh1: mod6: The operation succeeded.
mod6: !!up anond
deedbot: anond voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: this is what I see, for both nicks, so not sure: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/pzvpf/?raw=true
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/vox-media-torch-bearer-of-gawker-legacy-faces-own-scandal/ << Qntra - Vox Media, Torch Bearer of Gawker Legacy Faces Own Scandal
mod6: !!gettrust anond deedbot
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
mod6: anond: try to register again in her.
mod6: *here
mod6: with like: !!register <FP>
anond: hi
anond: should i give the register command here?
mod6: yeah, a lot of people do. nothing to worry about.
anond: ...
anond: i have done the msg/register command here
mod6: oh?
anond: but nothing happened
mod6: i believe that a prerequsite is having your key in a keyserver.
anond: oh may be..
mod6: because I think that deedbot grabs the pubkey from there, although i may certainly be wrong
anond: this is the point where i have a doubt
anond: maybe you may help me?
mod6: and it's not instant, i.e. if you send your key to a key server, it may be some hours before it can be queried successfully by deedbot.
mod6: sure, one thing you can do, is give me your fingerprint
anond: ok
mod6: and i'll look it up
anond: i understand
anond: i have done around 30 minutes ago
anond: but probabily have to wait more
mod6: ahhh, ok then ya. might take a bit yet.
anond: but i havent a doubt about if the process of upload the key was all correct
mod6: maybe check back tomorrow, or later tonight if nothing else.
anond: may you help with a specific doubt in this?
mod6: about all i can do is try to look up your FP in some sks keyserver to see if its there to resolve that dependency.
anond: well it can be also
anond: but
anond: i have genreated a text file with extension .asc with a header plus the key plus a footer...does you understand? oes you know what is?
mod6: does it say something like "PGP PUBLIC KEY" at the top?
anond: the header is "-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----"
mod6: yes, ok. good. that is your public key.
mod6: that is the thing you need to send to the key server.
anond: the problem is that below the header.... between the header and the key.....appears the words " Version: GnuPG v2"" that i dont know if should remove or keep before upload to the servers...
mod6: don't change what's in the key.
anond: ok
mod6: typically we suggest using version 1.4.x, but that part is entirely up to you.
anond: the .asc file is like this:
mod6: don't paste your whole key in here pls.
anond: 1º line: "-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----"
anond: 2º line: "Version: GnuPG v2"
anond: 3º line: "mQENBFfm3n8BCAC4N9zJjW............."
mod6: yup, nothing wrong with that.
shinohai: Oh ffs
anond: the rest of the key and then the footer
mod6: yup, which is fine. just need to submit that entire key to the keyserver.
anond: ok..the its done..i havent removed the second line before to upload
mod6: you can do that two ways.
mod6: ok cool.
mod6: here's a link to copy in your entire key and paste it:
mod6: https://sks-keyservers.net/i/#submit
anond: waht is the other way?
anond: for curiosity
mod6: or you can read `man gpg` and look up --send-keys
anond: ok
anond: the ASCII-armored PGP includes the header and footer?
mod6: yup, you need everything from:
mod6: -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
mod6: through
mod6: -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
BingoBoingo: http://gomerblog.com/2016/09/its-time-for-a-seasonal-pumpkin-spiced-bowel-prep/ << Related
mod6: bowel?
mod6: lol
anond: rsrrss
mod6: “So don’t forget to place your orders by calling 1-800-POO-BLOW before supplies run out!”
anond: crazy
mod6: im actually having a hard time NOT calling that number.
anond: mod6, how i do a search? ...what to put in 'Search String:'
mod6: at the sks site?
anond: yes..
anond: the key ID?
mod6: either the email address, or 'nickname' or name you placed when making this key.
mod6: or even better, your fingerprint, or keyid.
anond: ok . i wiil try key id
mod6: iirc placing '0x' infront of the finger print seems to work better?
mod6: might be wrong about that. sks sucks.
anond: No results found: No keys found
mod6: after submission of your key, it takes a while for sks to process and index the key so it can be "searchable"
mod6: figure, hours, not minutes.
trinque: hmph! he says
trinque: lol
mod6: lol, what can ya do?
mod6: RAGEQUIT
mod6: !!up anond
deedbot: anond voiced for 30 minutes.
anond: wow
anond: these command are automatic?
anond: up and voice?
mod6: well, not really. once you are registered, you'll be able to msg deedbot directly and do the !!up command yourself.
mod6: which consists of getting an encrypted otp from deedbot, derypting it, then feeding the otp back to deedbot with !!v <OTP>
mod6: then, if successful, you'll be voiced.
anond: ok.. maybe i would do authenticated login
trinque: !!help
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/help.html
trinque: anond: ^
anond: thanks ...all this is alot of new info..
mod6: np. yah, it takes a few times.
anond: this is very crazy and cool
anond: i hope i may learn more
mod6: ah, welcome to it :]
mod6: there's a rich history in the logs dating back to early 2013.
mod6: participation in this channel encourages reading back at least 6 months from now.
anond: yes..maybe in the near future i myght do that
anond: how i may have sure that i will be able to go back to this channel
anond: as yousee i am not used to use IRC
mod6: i think what you require, is just to be able /join #trilema, have your key registered with deedbot, and have at least one rating from a Lord.
mod6: one non-negitive rating, that is.
anond: ok.....
mod6: are you familiar with the WoT (web of trust)?
mod6: http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
BingoBoingo: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/medfly.htm
ben_vulpes: w's the weather?
mod6: stormy with a chance of packeting
BingoBoingo: !~weather
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Error: "weather" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: ^ shinohai pls to fix
shinohai: !~weather
jhvh1: stormy with a chance of packeting
BingoBoingo: ty
shinohai: props to mod6
mircea_popescu: !!up anond
deedbot: anond voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160924/#271 << i recall the solution being "ascii and fuck you."☝︎
scriba: Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
scriba: Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x92 in position 1371: invalid start byte]
mircea_popescu: lmao. such point in case.
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160924/#285 << cheers.☝︎
scriba: Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
scriba: Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x92 in position 1371: invalid start byte]
BingoBoingo: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ceeoh.htm
BingoBoingo: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/fishies.htm << "The "Environmental Defense Fund"'s darling is farmed catfish. Perhaps they see a lot of themselves in bottom-feeding scum-sucking slime-covered toothless scavengers tossed free food. The Mekong giant catfish, Pangasianodon gigas, has hit 660 lb - but only if you give generously and often. "