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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415473 < notrly. ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2016 18:07:26; asciilifeform: anybody has thoughts about the Dolev-Dwork-Naor asymmetric cipher ?
mircea_popescu: dude wtf am, i reading.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what "river macleod" thinks on any topic,
mircea_popescu: including who gets to use his asshole when and how.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00056688 = 2.2675 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Don't forget, for what purpose.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather read kitsch, naomi klein's autobiography by naomi klein
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415499 << fellow did it because pope told him to and wouldn't pay otherwise. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2016 18:21:37; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415265 << nonsense. sistine chapel qualifies as a canvas and it's what 41x13m ?
mircea_popescu: and no, murals are not canvas
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415517 << 60 in the us tho. 60 in europe was a pretty miserable affair. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2016 18:29:41; asciilifeform: no amount of travel or whatnot can cure a man who experienced western civilization in 1960, and believes that we can bring back the airplanes by cargoculting to what he perceives as the rules of the era.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise the point is quite sound.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415531 << which is why it only counts if you fuck local. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2016 18:40:53; phf: their whole experience of su is through intourist propotainment and politruk control. who's going to let an american nobody in a company of the valuable products of soviet system. it's a needless risk. at best you get invited to some aparatchik family dinner and get to playbelieve "i was even friends with a russian family!"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415543 << it was very smart, in that their sovereignity was deeply retarded. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2016 18:46:39; asciilifeform: it is not clear to me that this was a smart thing.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415547 << ok i chuckled.\ ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2016 18:54:07; phf: heh actually some boomer at russian cultural center was once telling me of his adventures, he proudly told me that him and his wife had a friend in russia and it was even! a kgb guy. the implication is that he was so cool, he even got to meet a bonafide kgb, befriend him and that was his best friend. that's your handler, you dumbass.
mircea_popescu: kinda like "i'm so cool i get my salary directly on my credit card, no need to use cash"
asciilifeform: the other thing about the 60 y.o. is that he might not feel ready to starve yet
asciilifeform: see, e.g., harlan ellison
mircea_popescu: generally, old people have relatively little to live for. this shows.
asciilifeform: today he is better known as an ardent copyrast, than a writer.
mircea_popescu: miserable example. he never wrote anthing wort ha shit.
mircea_popescu: born a hustler, wil ldie a hustler.
asciilifeform: he was an interesting case of 'up and coming'-ism
mircea_popescu: did not sell aluminum siding 50 years ago by sheer accident.
asciilifeform: was ever eternally 'about to write the next great xxxx' according to the lit-mafia of his time
asciilifeform: ~ought to~ have sold aluminum, it cried for him for 50 years.
mircea_popescu: harlan ellison is one bra size away from having been anais nin.
mircea_popescu: one and a half from having been yoko ono.
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: and what's her face, the trailer trash whore that was sharing needles with the nirvana kid ?
mircea_popescu: courtney something
asciilifeform: nfi
BingoBoingo: In other new the Tesla Model X is too obeast to legally traverse the Brooklyn Bridge which has a 3 ton weight limit
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> courtney something << Courtney Love, mother of Francis Bean
mircea_popescu: a ok
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo these fucking idiots, by now the car is 90% battery... how to get 5% extra distance ? make it 95% battery. doesn't that mean double the size ? YES IT DOES
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1415667 << it appears to have been the first (and to date, only other in public) system that is immune to chosen-ciphertext crapolade ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 01:05:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415473 < notrly.
mircea_popescu: doesn't that mean the batteries will have to power 6x as much car as gasoline ?
asciilifeform: it and c-s.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not familair with much research re it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is precious little anything re: anything.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not only that, is "enviro-SUV" crossover weighing more than actual Truck-SUV
asciilifeform: the field is as dead as anything one might care to think of.
asciilifeform: in more than a month of active combing, i was not able to dredge up so much as ONE adult implementation of c-s.
asciilifeform: anywhere.
mircea_popescu: fucking ridiculous. on both lines.
asciilifeform: there is literally nothing to test against, to compare with, etc.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415632 << they're still running with yesterday's used condoms ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2016 22:58:52; thestringpuller: "[Blockchain] is the technology beneath the bitcoin cryptography, but it is not bitcoin."
mircea_popescu: you already got fucked with those buey! bring new ones!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo et al: tesla doesn't need to actually work, in the strict sense, it is specifically targeted at moneyed chumps
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415651 << because they're evil. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2016 23:37:31; asciilifeform: how come nobody ever writes, 'our company was a victim of microshit' ??
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2016#1415656 << i'm so 100% with this you couldn't believe. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2016 23:42:27; asciilifeform: the fucktards built their 'consensual reality' where 'computer == winblowz' ?? fine. let computer also == paying some nigerian derp every week to decrypt the disk.
mircea_popescu: actually, maybe s.nsa should release some basic code so every script kiddy with enough money to buy an usb can evil maid the shit out of any office space he can get into.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is one of the reasons why i see malware artists as doing godly work, and wish to help them
asciilifeform: aha!
mircea_popescu: make life for janitors fun again.
asciilifeform: win64 needs a good public polymorphic lib, for instance.
mircea_popescu: "here baby, replace this line with your own address, plug into all the computers you can find"
danielpbarron: this place is starting to sound like project mayhem
mircea_popescu: unavoidable. bitches acting like they're independent and shit, time to eat it.
mircea_popescu: as you can tell, that bfl thing utterly got my fucking goat.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron whassat ?
danielpbarron: the first rule of project mayhem is you do not ask questions!
mircea_popescu: mkay.
danielpbarron: heh, it's from fight club
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reference to c. palahniuk's b00k 'fight club'
mircea_popescu: the principle nevertheless rules supreme. you wanna act like your classic coin / windows system / us government / bla bla got what it takes, fine then. we shall meet in the field and there's no quarter given.\
mircea_popescu: go fucking settle with bfl motherfucking schmucks on a stick already.
mircea_popescu: blrgh
asciilifeform: the bfl thing seemed to me like a mega-unsurprise
asciilifeform: from the pirate case.
asciilifeform: or, as described in mircea_popescu's mega-article, 'A convicted felon and general low life ran a Ponzi scheme. Various soi-dissant US authorities were notified in private to proceed with prosecution, capture the felon and deliver him to justice, as well as publicly months before the scheme's collapse, but instead chose to delay taking any action whatsoever until a year afterwards, in spite of the felon in question being a US r
asciilifeform: esident throughout, in the vain hopes that such shenanigans may destroy our fledging republic.'
mircea_popescu: yeah well fuck them.
mircea_popescu: what, there's options now ? what the fuck is this.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For the record, these are the passenger vehicles which compete with Tesla Model X for Obesity. Many of them hit the same over moneyed chump market. http://www.thedrive.com/article/1720/9-cars-that-legally-cant-cross-the-brooklyn-bridge
assbot: 8 Cars That Legally Can’t Cross the Brooklyn Bridge - The Drive ... ( http://bit.ly/1WMEGtd )
shinohai: ;;blocks
gribble: 400060
mthreat: mircea_popescu: I saw this in buenos aires and thought you had bought a billboard for fun: http://i.imgur.com/2kYXASl.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1WMGD94 )
danielpbarron: i'm watching this republican debate cheering on BingoBoingo's guy -- BitBet : making politics fun!
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: lol
ben_vulpes: mthreat: buttman! lol
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: At this point I'm set to make money on either a Rubio or Cruz win.
danielpbarron: me too
danielpbarron: enough even to make up for my Paul loss
asciilifeform: buttman.com.ar ??
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mthreat: it turns out mircea has written about buttman before.
mthreat: !s buttman
assbot: 3 results for 'buttman' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=buttman
mircea_popescu: mthreat lol. that's the sex shop on corrientes 2ksomething
mircea_popescu: that ALSO does not have a lacquered red leather ball gag
mircea_popescu: mthreat> it turns out mircea has written about buttman before. << trilema contains all things!
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mircea_popescu: in random weird from canada news, http://www.philo5.com/Feminisme-Masculisme/890612%20Lettre%20de%20Marc%20Lepine.htm ☟︎
deedbot-: [Qntra] US Farmers Shift To Complete Loss Control Mode As Corn Belt Keeps Fraying - http://qntra.net/2016/02/us-farmers-shift-to-complete-loss-control-mode-as-corn-belt-keeps-fraying/
mats: http://log.b-a.link/?date=26-02-2016#1415729 << this looks like fun. would give me a reason to put my 'facedancer' board to use, fuzz some signed windows drivers
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 01:39:07; mircea_popescu: actually, maybe s.nsa should release some basic code so every script kiddy with enough money to buy an usb can evil maid the shit out of any office space he can get into.
mircea_popescu: not to discourage creativity, but considering what we're discussing here, something absolutely ridiculous would problably work just fine. gif/tiff/whatever exploit relying on windows computer autoplays sticks, for instance.
mircea_popescu: iirc the gfx were still full of holes, today as in 2005.
mircea_popescu: the fonts are prolly also full of holes, and who knows what else even
mats: tons of fonts bugs in the wild, yes
danielpbarron: !up Guest86209
danielpbarron: Guest86209, you've met gmaxwell and Luke-Jr ?
BingoBoingo: You couldn't go wrong with something that targets all 3 to 4 generations of stuxnet hole
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1415773 << megafamous, uncle al had an essay re: it. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 03:13:13; mircea_popescu: in random weird from canada news, http://www.philo5.com/Feminisme-Masculisme/890612%20Lettre%20de%20Marc%20Lepine.htm
asciilifeform: ~the~ canadian p0stal.
asciilifeform: for piglet!!111
BingoBoingo: Mortadella!!!
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems kinda bizarre. i still don't get what exactly an assortment of old prunes clining on to their delusions of feminity did to him.
mircea_popescu: this is what always gets me about these "i was hurt by feminism" fellows : nigga, say wut ?! the club of bingo ladies who still like to wear skirts bothered you ?! da fuck were you doing at the bingo parlour ?!
asciilifeform: lepine wanted 'me tooo'
mircea_popescu: me too what ?
asciilifeform: was none too happy with the 'reich for women' thing
mircea_popescu: wassat ?
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asciilifeform: recall the train seats?
asciilifeform: that.
mircea_popescu: and ~feminists~ did that ?!
asciilifeform: hey nobody said the fella was bright.
mircea_popescu: lemme guess, and meninists did the 90s porn revolution ? not digicams ?
mircea_popescu: actually yeah, the psychs iirc said he was bright.
asciilifeform: perhaps compared to the available sample of cattle, sure.
mircea_popescu: i guess. the problem still stands tho. all these dudes "hurt by feminism" are like the wolf complaining spam cans broke his teeth.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck were you doing eating cans!
asciilifeform: the answer is - being a wolf with nothing but spam can.
asciilifeform: what else.
mircea_popescu: but this is absurd. for one thing the twain shall never meet.
mircea_popescu: where does a wolf even fucking encounter a can
asciilifeform: in demented zoo, where else.
mircea_popescu: so your idea is that this 20something mousy french guy had a thing for older women, they kept rejecting him
mircea_popescu: so he decided to shoot a bunch of polytechnic students ?
asciilifeform: iirc they were 'diversity admits'.
mircea_popescu: the very notion, he hates feminists so he shoots adolescents. i suppose if he hated policeman he'd have shot plumbers.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, 5-10 in 50-60 is about what females traditionally do at polytechnic.
mircea_popescu: was same in 50s, was same in 80s, ro, ru, fr, wherever.
asciilifeform: postal folks tend to shoot he closest approximation they can get to.
mircea_popescu: so he couldn't get to nursing home ?
asciilifeform: *the
mircea_popescu: shoot a bunch of women at jewish home, about 54098564096056% more feminist per bullet.
asciilifeform: where are you even getting the older thing
mircea_popescu: what do you mean ?
asciilifeform: nobody gives a fuck re old women
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204561 << re: killing plumbers ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 14:41:07; assbot: Terry Gilliam's Movie Brazil - Plumbers' Nasty End - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1OjXTyV )
mircea_popescu: so then what is all this talking of feminists as if one gives a shit ?
asciilifeform: it is a boojum in the mind of specific certain people, and it is invariably a reasonably young chick
asciilifeform: of the 'недавашка' (how do english that??) flavour.
mircea_popescu: yeah well. meanwhile at reality ranch, all contact sports have this phenomena, where people age out of it. it's natural. but they don't WANT out of it, because they fucking liked it. so they become radio commentators, referees, whatever they can find. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: occasionally they get going some effort to reform this or that about the sport in question
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mircea_popescu: THAT is your feminists. who the fuck cares, really.
mircea_popescu: so talk show hosts don't like how the ball's being swung ?
asciilifeform: anyway the mega-question is, who ought he have shot?
asciilifeform: that he could get to.
mircea_popescu: self-described feminist is, definitionally, old-gendered person that hasn't yet come to terms with it, still sees self as female.
mircea_popescu: in what sense it'd be the case is anyone's guess, but whatever.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if he ACTUALLY hated feminists, he seriouslty should have light up a jewish old folks home.
mircea_popescu: either "gender" also, da fuck difference does it make by then.
asciilifeform: he wanted to plug ~powerful~
asciilifeform: not alzheimers, wtf
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha so he shot some students ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: come on. wtf power, in what world are students anything but the subway chewinggum on people's soles.
asciilifeform: as breivik, later
asciilifeform: 'make the next batch think' maybe it was, in his head..
mircea_popescu: i suppose...
mircea_popescu: think what, "don't be a feminist or you might get plugged" ?
asciilifeform: nfi
mircea_popescu: seems deeply uninformed as to how biological processes with a cognitive component work in humans.
mircea_popescu: every adolescent slut promises herself she'll be anything but her mother,
mircea_popescu: every 40something ex-adolescent slut is EXACTLY her mother.
asciilifeform: this is as far as i'm able to follow the thought process before it ceases to make sense.
mircea_popescu: not like what she resolves to do or not do in one phase has any fucking bearing on the next.
asciilifeform: no shit
mircea_popescu: for that matter, every insecure, death-fearing derp promises himself he'll do himself in before he's too decreipt
mircea_popescu: every decrepit ex-insecure derp, still death-fearing, happily drools on the side of hte ouch
asciilifeform: this too is malnutrition!
asciilifeform: Insufficient millimorts.
asciilifeform: in modern 'diet'.
mircea_popescu: possibly.
mircea_popescu: anyway. no sane girl / young woman ever becomes a feminist because she WANTS to become a feminist. they spend more on creams than you spend on hardware.
mircea_popescu: they just fucking age into it, and it doesn't ask them./
asciilifeform: explain the 20yo ones then.
mircea_popescu: the 20yo ones whats
asciilifeform: feminists.
asciilifeform: and they are in every other liberasty also.
mircea_popescu: maybe we don't share a definition. feminist = inept old prune with nothing better to do than drone on about things nobody gives a shit about.
asciilifeform: 'free paaaalestine!!1'
mircea_popescu: what 20 yo feminist ? show me one.
mircea_popescu: it'll be either a chick nobody could conceivably want for any purpose, so basically an old prune before her time,
asciilifeform: visit usa ccollege campus. any of'em.
mircea_popescu: or else a total coy princess fucking with people's nerves. which - is fine and good, but it's not in any sense a feminist
mircea_popescu: at least not more than the chick claiming lesbianism to escape inept advances is actually gay.
asciilifeform has nfi, and gotta go swap a disk, bbl
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and i'd see what i and anyone else always and forever sees on college campuses. a buncha dizzy cows of either gender. what!
mircea_popescu: the dudes are programmers about as much as the chicks are feminists.
mircea_popescu: and all of them secret agents, astronauts, power rangers and teenage neutered minja turtles or w/e it was.
mircea_popescu: ganja ?
mircea_popescu: i forget.
danielpbarron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4KFNhxibec << re: killing jewish old folks
assbot: Brazil - 2 - Terror at Lunch.avi - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oz5tn2 )
mircea_popescu: these are rich tho
mircea_popescu: feminists are ~what lawyers used to be in the gilt age
mircea_popescu: about as poor as church mice, the dumb runts in the litter.
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ben_vulpes: http://www.winestockwebdesign.com/Essays/Lisp_Curse.html << i am surprised that this has not yet been linked here ☟︎
assbot: The Lisp Curse ... ( http://bit.ly/1paQdIo )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6347 @ 0.00057005 = 3.6181 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: !s meth lsd lisp
assbot: 1 results for 'meth lsd lisp' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meth+lsd+lisp
mircea_popescu: possibly because nobody here really gives much of a shit about attempt #whatever to misrepresent the world in terms of "herd good, individual bad" yadda yadda ?
mircea_popescu: for that same money, "tmsr will fail because it won't be able to hire enough starbucks barristas and bitcoin will fail because it won't be able to get enough poor africans to spam the blockchain with their irrelevant, unwelcome dust txn"
mircea_popescu: The Lisp Curse does not contradict the maxim of Stanislav Datskovskiy: Employers much prefer that workers be fungible, rather than maximally productive.
mircea_popescu: holy shit someone quoted alf.\ ☟︎
mircea_popescu: is the world ending ?
BingoBoingo: !b 3 ✂︎
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3MTGBAC.txt )
mircea_popescu: "With some justice, JavaScript has been described as "Scheme in C's clothing" despite originating in those cube farm hells."
mircea_popescu: omfg this is epic trollage 10/10
mircea_popescu: i hope he never read it
mircea_popescu: javascript!
mircea_popescu: "The reason why this doesn't happen is because of the Lisp Curse. Large numbers of Lisp hackers would have to cooperate with each other. Look more closely: Large numbers of the kind of people who become Lisp hackers would have to cooperate with each other. And they would have to cooperate with each other on a design which was not already a given from the beginning. And there wouldn't be any external discipline, such as
mircea_popescu: a venture capitalist or other corporate master, to keep them on track."
mircea_popescu: mk, i'm done reading. herpitty-derp, "the only way things can be done is by obama and i wonder why those other people havent' come to an alternative to obama that's obama ? I KNOW! because they can't, that's why! it'd be obama. ha-ha!!1"
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mircea_popescu: but if i like the way rudolf the winestockdeer thinks and designs websites, i'll surely hire him.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in post-party news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/fffc2ad60334d81c4aebe76ff715f5d5/tumblr_nhz4s9U3aT1t0quw8o1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1QhrtZ0 )
ben_vulpes: someone quoted alf << and in 2011 even
mircea_popescu: ima go think and designed some webtits-es. laters.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1985 @ 0.00057582 = 1.143 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16228 @ 0.00057895 = 9.3952 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00056448 = 13.4911 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61650 @ 0.00057895 = 35.6923 BTC [+]
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punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcHQ6SoXEAAZQuW.jpg:large
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1R6hIcH )
punkman: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/photo-essays/2016-02-24/startups-pitch-vcs-from-freezing-water
assbot: Startups Pitch VCs From Freezing Water - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1R6ibvm )
punkman: "When set to blocksonly a node behaves normally but sends and receives no loose transactions; instead it handles only complete blocks. Blocksonly reduced the node's bandwidth usage by 88%."
punkman: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/47o1h4/anxpro_suspended_bank_wires_10_days_ago_was/
assbot: ANXPRO suspended Bank Wires 10 days ago ... was supposed to only last 48 hours. Time to withdraw my coins ? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1TCyUuZ )
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punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaPohceWkAA26fc.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1LJl0AT )
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mircea_popescu: <assbot> Time to withdraw my coins ? <<< naaaaa
mircea_popescu: worst possible time to withdraw coins is FUCKING IMMEDIATELY. best possible time is you know, two weeks after the thing disappears. gooooooo reddit!
shinohai: kek
mircea_popescu: actually the blocksonly thing is not even stupid.
mircea_popescu: difference between mempool-node and blockchain-node should have been made day one, but hey. day 3000 also not bad. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in somewhat other news, http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#comment-116653
assbot: Please stop using DNS already, and other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1XPA1bf )
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1415887 << saw this snore ages ago when it appeared in my www logs ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 05:18:19; ben_vulpes: http://www.winestockwebdesign.com/Essays/Lisp_Curse.html << i am surprised that this has not yet been linked here
asciilifeform: still snore.
mircea_popescu: aww
mircea_popescu: y u no surprise.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1415896 << there used to be a regular thing of 'i can't actually refute but hete's 10,001 random words' claptrap re: my www ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 05:47:49; mircea_popescu: holy shit someone quoted alf.\
asciilifeform: *here
asciilifeform: l0l the old dayz, when i used to write...
mircea_popescu: aww!
mircea_popescu: you still write, just... lines.
asciilifeform: i meant, for the heathens.
mircea_popescu: a a
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1415942 << set min fee to some ridiculous value, and you have a block-only relay...! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 12:29:29; mircea_popescu: difference between mempool-node and blockchain-node should have been made day one, but hey. day 3000 also not bad.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, you still talk the txn before rejecting them.
mircea_popescu: the idea is to not send getx
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform: this would not be a very useful node other than for bootstrapping nodes..?
mircea_popescu: and preserving tghe history and WHAT THE FUCK ALREADY.
mircea_popescu: who puts tits and cunt on the same organic item ?
mircea_popescu: separate. weren't you talking about separation as the basis of engineering ? what became of that ?
asciilifeform: ok i can think of 3 or 4 uses
asciilifeform: but i will have you know that i don't cut the tits from the rest.
asciilifeform: or the legs off the table.
mircea_popescu: not even after it's cooked ?
asciilifeform: only then.
mircea_popescu: aok
mircea_popescu: maybe there is japanesehope for you.
asciilifeform: l0l!
mircea_popescu: (me as a small child spent a while lost in this entire separator mode)
mircea_popescu: the value of a toy being ~proportional with an exponential of its separability.
asciilifeform: i thought everyone had
mircea_popescu: old pocket watch - best toy. all other toys, downgrade from there.
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: anyway i kinda made this node when did the eatblock experiment.
asciilifeform: that was when i learned of the 2 leak types
asciilifeform: (blkindex and the tx retardation)
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mircea_popescu: aha
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mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKKakt2tDQA
assbot: trupa ASIA Suna periculos @ TEO by Danyel Cta 360p - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1pc7h0L )
phf: ben_vulpes: http://www.winestockwebdesign.com/Essays/Lisp_Curse.html << i am surprised that this has not yet been linked here << it's a whole genre, with roots in usenet days. "~i~ of course grok lisp, but the masses won't, so i use perl, which is as good, so ya'll should stop whatever you're doing". has the standard reaction of "where the fuck are you idiots coming from". naggum gained his notoriety mostly by arguing with these people,
phf: unsuccessfully
mircea_popescu: more importantly - arguing with these people FROM A POSITION OF EQUALITY.
mircea_popescu: it'd necessarily be and remain unsuccessful, for as long as naggum thinks socialism works, the idiots keep spawning. they come... from him.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's say he... hadn't. what then ?
mircea_popescu: you can't posit a negative.
asciilifeform: why the fuck not ?
mircea_popescu: because you have to posit something that can be. negatives can't be - that's what they are, non-being.
mircea_popescu: if you prefer - you can't meta-posit. plox posit like common folk, dismoun.
asciilifeform: fine, let's say he had argued from a position of man-cockroach superiority
mircea_popescu: dismount*
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so he has a) other men ; b) some good reason he's entertaining cockroaches ?
mircea_popescu: example :
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#792152 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2014 02:19:55; mircea_popescu: you don't get to say how these debates work. again, because bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: understand that it is never upon the cockroach to explain why man doesn't have house. that's what the duality is all about.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall, eventually he woke up to the futility of entertaining cockroaches.
asciilifeform: naggum died in '09, his last usened post - circa '04.
mircea_popescu: this is not for a second what's spoken of here.
asciilifeform: *usenet
mircea_popescu: so bum in train station woke up to futility of entertaining cockroaches ? and what, moved on to rats ?
asciilifeform: moved on to ????.
mircea_popescu: how about get a fucking job, buy a house...
mircea_popescu: bum that died in ditch, whether he was or was not playing with cockrtoaches in the few minutes prior, still was and died a bum.
asciilifeform: my understanding is that herr n. had money, which was then taken by the crown, the story is in the logz.
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
mircea_popescu: point remains - no house, how are you man ?
mircea_popescu: boy, perhaps ?
mircea_popescu: one day to be man ?
asciilifeform: for this question, not to me, but straight to primo levi's 'if this is a man'.
phf: i think on top of his fine personal qualities, naggum had an unhealthy obsession, because the system was new and there was no hygiene
asciilifeform: (concerning auschwitz.)
mircea_popescu: phf i do not say this necessarily to bellitle the man in question. but the matter must be said i nthe plainest terms for posteriority.
mircea_popescu: aristotle also did not have condoms, to his detriment, but readily excused.
asciilifeform: i still want to know what mircea_popescu sees naggum as ought to have done.
mircea_popescu: made b-a.
asciilifeform: out of what ?
mircea_popescu: bitch, what is this!
mircea_popescu: "make a house" "out of what" "fuck you."
asciilifeform: srsly bitcoin did not exist.
mircea_popescu: so ?
asciilifeform: l. davinci had a better chance of building a radio set.
mircea_popescu: so ?
asciilifeform: than naggum - b-a.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do you think this is, school ?
mircea_popescu: "but teacher, this shouldn't be on the exam, we didn't have it in class!"
mircea_popescu: everything is on the exam. including stuff from the future. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: better get good at reading the future.
asciilifeform: one day, martian ship lands on mircea_popescu's roof. with difficulty, commander directs him to build a new bzorktl to replace the burned out one.
asciilifeform: but yes, condom is on aristotle's exam.
phf: b-a restructured my thinking about how to talk to people, "oh hey ~you~ engaged ~me~, and i'm no longer entertained". to some extent naggum taught a lot of lispers on how to deal with trolls. i saw edi weitz engaged on this subject by random derps at conferences, he nods, politely, once or twice, then walks away. and not just him. but naggum example is very specific to troll engagement, so..
mircea_popescu: phf not a matter of trolls, mind.
asciilifeform: phf: it is an astonishingly valuable tool.
mircea_popescu: trolls are quite respectable fellows
mircea_popescu: idiots are not.
phf: right right
mircea_popescu: and i'm not for a second proposing i'm better or anything. i have the purely accidental benefit of having spent a lot of my youthful years in this position where people did not fucking dare even open the trap. whereas most smart kids of the sort society tends to castrate for fattening live quite otherwise.
mircea_popescu: but all this is besides the point : there's a right way and wrong ways and there's all there is to it.
mircea_popescu: (but yes, capon is the word. the moment you see a kid with a "college education" "despising" violence, you know precisely the fuck's going on. as per alf's discussion of those exploited monkeys, exactly. oxen gathering together to talk out of line about the bull's specific smell.)
asciilifeform: if the only kind of violence you can picture is of the farmer, against your own neck - then yes, pig despises.
asciilifeform: why shouldn't he.
mircea_popescu: this... separation, shall we call it, between intelligent man (ie, he who could put the balls to use) and "orc", ie, man with all the parts still attached is INTEGRAL for ...
mircea_popescu: not for civilisation, mind. for this ugly rat of a creature that is really copyrasty and pretense, part of which pretense is to call self civilisation
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, one of the least civilised things ever contemplated.
asciilifeform: quite arguably rome had it.
mircea_popescu: an empire must have it.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: rome the worth the mention rome, did not.
mircea_popescu: it instead had the quite plain understanding that civilisation is what happens at the other end of the mentula.
mircea_popescu: or to quote, "mentula cum doleat imperio, tibi, lector, culus. non sum divinus..."
asciilifeform: l0l!
mircea_popescu: aha.
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phf: asciilifeform: see, e.g., harlan ellison << one good thing came out of this guy, http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/ihavenomouth/imustscream.htm
assbot: Hardcore Gaming 101: I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream ... ( http://bit.ly/1XPKLGs )
asciilifeform: phf: i played !
asciilifeform: quite arguably the game owes precious-little to the short story (which i read)
asciilifeform: famously, ellison demanded that there be no way to win.
asciilifeform: publisher overruled.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: why ?!
asciilifeform: ask him, not me
asciilifeform: or read the (pretty cruddy) tale
mircea_popescu: seems like a great idea for a game.
asciilifeform: it is about depression, desperation, and eternal torment.
mircea_popescu: i thought nintendo was predicatedc on this
asciilifeform: mno not in the nintendo sense
asciilifeform: he wanted all paths to lead to square 1
mircea_popescu: better than yet another "Congratulations!" thing
asciilifeform: regardless, it was a very memorable game.
asciilifeform: i still recall the dirigible powered by pain.
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr50rXDBsyk
assbot: Let's Stream I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream 01 - Gorrister - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1T0y7Fi )
phf: definitely very memorable game
asciilifeform: 'this lever is labeled MOTIVATOR.'
asciilifeform: https://youtu.be/Hr50rXDBsyk?t=23m44s
assbot: Let's Stream I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream 01 - Gorrister - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1T0zMe6 )
trinque: one of my favorite books.
mats: http://greatscottgadgets.com/2016/02-19-low-cost-simplisafe-attacks/
assbot: Great Scott Gadgets - Low Cost SimpliSafe Attacks ... ( http://bit.ly/1WO3pNV )
mats: moar 'security' products
mats: and these bugs can't be patched.
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PeterL: so if people in the Assbot L1 are the peers, what do we call those of us in the Assbot L2? ☟︎☟︎
danielpbarron: !up ZH3JNii
danielpbarron: !up warptangent_
danielpbarron: !up Keefe_
danielpbarron: !up eric
danielpbarron: !up julmac
danielpbarron: !up da2ce7
ben_vulpes: sheesh
ben_vulpes: i only linked that piece because it quoted stan!
danielpbarron: !up doot
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there was no shortage of this crud while i was actively writing for the heathens.
asciilifeform: at one point, one or more / week.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.00056597 = 33.9582 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00056876 = 8.6167 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: lol "@petertodd: Whomever is DoS attacking f2pool please stop. You're only making it harder to come to consensus." ☟︎☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: consensus!11111
asciilifeform: '‘Ach, sir, it iss worse when they become refractory! One man, I recall, clung to the bars of hiss cage when we went to take him out. You will scarcely credit, sir, that it took six warders to dislodge him, three pulling at each leg. We reasoned with him. “My dear fellow,” we said, “think of all the pain and trouble you are causing to us!” But no, he would not listen! Ach, he wass very troublesome!’' ☟︎
asciilifeform: ^ related. orwell's 'hanging'.
asciilifeform: (to be read in a proper indian 'spam call center' accent !)
phf: the beatings will continue until consensus is established
punkman: heh
punkman: in other lulz http://www.ekathimerini.com/206182/article/ekathimerini/business/govt-plan-for-forced-use-of-cards-runs-into-the-markets-failure-to-adapt
assbot: Gov’t plan for forced use of cards runs into the market’s failure to adapt | Business | ekathimerini.com ... ( http://bit.ly/21xoOye )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.000569 = 10.8679 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://media.scmagazine.com/documents/212/shaun_bridges_silk_road_52828.pdf << qntra ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/21xqDLm )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ^^ aha, it
asciilifeform just learned about gavin's 'weak blocks,' 'partial blocks', and related recent idiocies, mind blown ☟︎
asciilifeform: oh, and, 'validationless mining.'
asciilifeform: takes the cake.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: those weak blocks idiocy has been in my lulz hopper for a while
phf: asciilifeform: scheme-knobs is the canonical place to tweak the ifdef's in scheme.c?
asciilifeform: phf: aha.
asciilifeform: i thought this was obvious.
phf: just checking
phf: i'm cleaning up my clang build script, and somehow i lost the *error-hook* functionality. which makes no sense since it wasn't defined anywhere else, but it was definitely working since there's a bunch of catches in swank that i had to write to make sure things don't crash
phf: i'm very confused...
phf: actually that's already defined in scheme.h
asciilifeform: phf: if you find something out of place, feel welcome to move it.
asciilifeform: knobs belong in a knobs.h always.
asciilifeform: that's where sane folks look for them, at any rate.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1416114 < whomever is ddosing f2pool pleae contact me and ill contribute to your efforts ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 18:41:28; punkman: lol "@petertodd: Whomever is DoS attacking f2pool please stop. You're only making it harder to come to consensus."
asciilifeform: why would a pool even be ddosable. i thought they all used usgflare or whatnot. ☟︎
kakobrekla: i dont think that works for pooling
asciilifeform: hm.
trinque: mod6_: V99995 built on deedbox, is now happily munching blocks.
asciilifeform: in other lulz,
asciilifeform: https://cryptome.org/2016/02/can-spies-break-apple-crypto.htm
assbot: Can Spies Break Apple Crypto? ... ( http://bit.ly/21xv1Kz )
asciilifeform: '"The All Writs Act also requires that the govt prove to the Court that the 3rd party's efforts are *required* -- i.e., that the govt has *exhausted* all other means to achieve the desired result. In particular, that *all* departments of the govt have been consulted, and *none* of them has the required capabilities.'
trinque: thus the fact that usg can compel any company to do anything for any reason loses the pretense of secrecy.
trinque: I've seen various polls of the pasture reporting majority approval of the FBI's "side" of this.
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ben_vulpes: well think of the children trinque
ben_vulpes: we must decrypt the children
ben_vulpes: only a criminal would encrypt a child
ben_vulpes: or a gun
trinque goes to sell children encryption on the dark webs
deedbot-: [Qntra] Bridges Suspected Of Having Unknown Accomplices As Sound Money Undermines Fiat Loyalties - http://qntra.net/2016/02/bridges-suspected-of-having-unknown-accomplices-as-sound-money-undermines-fiat-loyalties/
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'aim at Bridges' --> aimed
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: fxd, ty
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1416099 << that'd be "civilised men everywhere" or some such. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 17:05:40; PeterL: so if people in the Assbot L1 are the peers, what do we call those of us in the Assbot L2?
mircea_popescu: humanity. whatever you call it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1416114 << who is this guy again ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 18:41:28; punkman: lol "@petertodd: Whomever is DoS attacking f2pool please stop. You're only making it harder to come to consensus."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1416129 << it is pretty lulzy. apparently when you decapitate worms, indistinct spew comes out. who knew. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 18:57:56; *: asciilifeform just learned about gavin's 'weak blocks,' 'partial blocks', and related recent idiocies, mind blown
asciilifeform: i thought you get 2 worms per.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1416145 << usgware is weaker than pressed shitboard. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 19:10:20; asciilifeform: why would a pool even be ddosable. i thought they all used usgflare or whatnot.
mircea_popescu: anyway, lulzy at the too-smart-by-half usg. OH WE CAPTURED GOBAG!!!11
mircea_popescu: go you.
asciilifeform: wtf is gobag
mircea_popescu: you know, like hobag with an accent ?
asciilifeform: ferfuxxsake wtf is hobag
asciilifeform: a hobo's bag ?
mircea_popescu: lol.
mircea_popescu: ok ok. a hobag is just a superlative of ho, which is a ghetto contraction of whore.
asciilifeform: but not a bag thereof ? hm.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile a gobag would be, i presume, on the basis of coverage of this shaun bridges proud representative of the usg in all its glory, the thing he was going to run off with
mircea_popescu: ie, the bag of valuable traveling merchants carry on their person, of peculiar interest to rogues
mircea_popescu: be they rogue persons or rogue states.
BingoBoingo: that is what it is
asciilifeform: ah ~that~ bag.
trinque: aka bug-out bag
mircea_popescu: entirely and utterly different from hodrum, which is this : http://41.media.tumblr.com/a742c8f313adb16ea1b44a2fffbc2c76/tumblr_nk31qjugOb1t0quw8o1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1RtK0Ak )
BingoBoingo: trinque: No, different thing. Bug-out bag is what future refugees pack for when Syria moves to them.
punkman: bug-out bag makes me think of preppers, so useless things inside
BingoBoingo: punkman: Not useless things, refugee things
punkman: they aren't refugess so what do they know
BingoBoingo: No, but that's what they prep for, to be the best refugees they can be
punkman: right, sure
BingoBoingo: I mean what the fuck else do you call someone who "bugs out" with a bag full of stuff as their primary preparation.
punkman: go bag on the other hand, I imagine mostly filled with paper
BingoBoingo: go bag generally is paired with potential destinations
BingoBoingo: packed for a journey to X, Y, or Z
BingoBoingo: bug out bag though is an exercise in playing refugee
punkman: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/investigations/Porn-Industry-Uses-Airbnb-Rental-Houses-for-Filming-370228041.html
assbot: Porn Industry Uses Airbnb, Rental Houses for Filming | NBC Southern California ... ( http://bit.ly/1RtMj6C )
trinque: I bet they don't even Lysol the place after.
trinque: lol
ben_vulpes: lewd
BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3889 ☟︎
assbot: JL: The Pigs and I ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tcq0Gj )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11289 @ 0.00056742 = 6.4056 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1416208 << i have no idea whether lafond intentionally plays propagandist for the new gendarmerie. but there it is. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2016 21:07:40; BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3889
asciilifeform: somehow i can't picture him enjoying the new federalized police any more than the old local.
asciilifeform: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3842 << this one answers an old puzzle in my head...
assbot: JL: Walking in the Street ... ( http://bit.ly/1TcqQmr )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: His problem is he publishes too much http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3901
assbot: JL: Maneuvering against the All-Weather Hoodrat? ... ( http://bit.ly/1TcqY5e )
BingoBoingo: Inventor versus crackpot is all about what percent of scribblings find the public
asciilifeform: http://www.amren.com/news/2015/12/housing-policies-still-pin-poor-in-baltimore-but-some-escape-to-suburbs << lulzy, linked from somewhere in there
assbot: Housing Policies Still Pin Poor in Baltimore, but Some Escape to Suburbs | American Renaissance ... ( http://bit.ly/1R8g76b )
asciilifeform: 'There are two main components to Baltimore’s “mobility” campaign, which aims to relocate public housing residents to better neighborhoods. Nearly 3,100 participating families, headed almost entirely by single black mothers, have relocated with special subsidies that are designed for high suburban rents; about 1,300 other families will join them over the next three years. Nearly 50 families, including Hill’s, have move
asciilifeform: d into houses owned by the city housing authority in prosperous county communities; 110 more will soon move to houses in strong city neighborhoods.'
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that insane bs.
BingoBoingo: Orcification of viable appearing communities
BingoBoingo: Spread the Poverty!!!
mircea_popescu: idjits expect to spend tax receipts on giving free money to poor people ~enough so they can rent where rich people live~ ?!
mircea_popescu: dude just cook and eat the poor already wtf is this.
BingoBoingo: It's Obama's Amerikka
BingoBoingo: Not cool enough for third K
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is how they double the rents.
phf: i think it's worthwhile to have an emergency bag. i wouldn't want to dig for my passports or backups or search for atms or whatever in a pinch..
asciilifeform: 'mr engineer? we heard that you're not paying your whole salary for rent yet ? here, have some diverse neighbours'
asciilifeform: and doubtless mircea_popescu knows that they aren't spending tax receipts, but printolade.
mircea_popescu: at which point mr engineer beats the shit out of the various derps thinking they're cool and rappers and whatnot, repossesses the black woman and reconstructs his grandfather's mansion
mircea_popescu: in the happy song of yes massah all day long.
phf: what is this, b-a take on tarantino plots
asciilifeform: the 2nd half is perhaps take on 'rambo'
asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu posting from inside the ring of world championship chessbox match
mircea_popescu: but you're right, they won't. and you're right, ofcourse - printolade. which also happens to be EXACTLY what mr engineer is paind in, anyway. which is EXACTLY why he won't.
mircea_popescu: same government FOR THE SAME REASONS and in the same ways gives all these niggers the house.
mircea_popescu: whether it's through path a or path b, purely decorative difference.
mircea_popescu: nobody belongs there anyway.
asciilifeform: much plantation, but conspicuously absent is the massa's house.
mircea_popescu: somehow "engineer" coexists with
mircea_popescu: !s "signs of life"
assbot: 5 results for '"signs of life"' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=%22signs+of+life%22
mircea_popescu: in otherwords, how did you say "ei se fac ca ne platesc, noi ne facem ca muncim" in russian ?
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BingoBoingo: ^ Lulz
asciilifeform: afaik it was originally a ru thing
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: even lisp got bignum these days!
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: much.
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danielpbarron: >> This comes Trump's << comes as* ?
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danielpbarron: http://qntra.net/2016/02/growing-bitcoin-game-hits-high-for-single-day-play-seconds/#comment-46819 << hey I got a fan!
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mircea_popescu: he might be ironian.
asciilifeform: lulzily, i recently tried 'trisquel linux' distro on a thinkpad x60, as mentioned, e.g., here, https://libreboot.org/docs/gnulinux/grub_boot_installer.html - it croaks on boot during acpi init.
assbot: How to install GNU/Linux on a libreboot system ... ( http://bit.ly/1n2nDaj )
asciilifeform: 'but hey it worked for rms'
asciilifeform: somehow.
phf: "Trisquel [...] derived from another distribution, Ubuntu." ?
asciilifeform: phf: it was pitched as somehow decrufted
asciilifeform: (by the 'libreboot' folks)
phf: ah
phf: did we do the whole debian as gentoo thing conversation?
asciilifeform: not iirc ?
danielpbarron is currently dealing with a debian problem: stuck on "Reading package lists... 0%" and don't want to reboot as per top search result for this string of text
trinque: I've seen all manner of apt-fucked
ben_vulpes: apt-get-fucked
asciilifeform: every time i come near the temptation to try to produce a 'tmsr linux' affair, i get my face rubbed into the fact that there is no hardware.
phf: i'll have to lookup relevant materials, since it's not in logs, but there are some threads on debian (or maybe duvian or whatever it's called) mail, that explain how to setup a semi automated build of deb packages, and there's some equivalent of useflags that let you control the deb build. so can rebuild entire stack into own package repository, have a decrufted b-a apt source, that's not necessarily audited, but at the very least
phf: doesn't have freedesktop/systemd/...
asciilifeform: that is, there is nothing whatsoever that i can rely on other people having, hardware-wise, that can be guaranteed to work
trinque: phf: deedbot sits atop devuan, hasn't offended me just yet
asciilifeform: even supposedly well-documented and 'linuxbiosable' items like the x60 apparently come in undocumented variations that barf
asciilifeform: and i had to hunt for ~3 months to get a working example of the x60, also
trinque: yeap, my attempt at providing a gentoo recipe was instructive.
asciilifeform: (they are few, and getting fewer, unsurprisingly)
trinque: "But this works for me every single time!!"
asciilifeform: trinque: we still have nfi what happened to the gentoo mircea_popescu tried
asciilifeform: trinque: the conversation here is not about headless servers
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> >> This comes Trump's << comes as* ? << ty fxd
phf: i think there are basically 3 parts to custom stack: sane linux, stock tree, pkg system
asciilifeform: but general-purpose dev machine
asciilifeform: phf: the kernel as we all presently have it is the very opposite of sane.
asciilifeform: I DON'T WANT 10,000,001 DEVICE DRIVERS.
asciilifeform: i want ONE PER DEVICE
phf: yeah..
asciilifeform: and a standard, immutable, guaranteed set of devices, which do not try anything 'clever' and cannot communicate with one another except in ways defined by os.
phf: terry davis dat shit. "no framebuffer, no vesa, VGA!"
phf: :>
asciilifeform: i don't even go in for hair shirts
asciilifeform: and there is really nothing complicated about the idea of a framebuffer.
phf: a useful framebuffer is backed by the card specific driver
asciilifeform: no shit
trinque: asciilifeform: yep that recipe I have is just fine for a dev box
asciilifeform: trinque: and when mircea_popescu tells you that it won't see his cdrom drive ?
trinque: it's what I used for my own dev environment, still have that partition around
trinque: asciilifeform: baffled, as it used a genkernel with all modules by default
trinque: I tend to boot with that, then produce a custom kernel config with localyesconfig once booted
trinque: and strip out module loading
asciilifeform: trinque: ever find it interesting that the kernel has no mechanism for telling you what code ~is actually used~ ?
asciilifeform: even though it would be absolutely trivial.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: compiulere does as much ffs
asciilifeform: actually gcc is pretty terrible at deadcode snip
phf: beos had that systematized, was really handy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ftr, about 1/2 of a stripped trb binary is openssl crud that is never called.
asciilifeform: (by weight)
mircea_popescu: yup
phf: or i guess a microkernel by design, rather then "we don't do microkernels, except now we basicall do"
mircea_popescu: i read systemdized and was wtf
asciilifeform: l0l!
phf: usg claims word ownership
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-04-2015#1086937 << mega-thread ☝︎
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trinque: http://www.androidcentral.com/kernel-vulnerability-exposed-researchers << absolutely nothing surprises me about the smell of evil in the linux kernel
assbot: What you need to know about the CONFIG_KEYS Linux kernel vulnerability | Android Central ... ( http://bit.ly/1n2q1xX )
asciilifeform: stopped reading at 'The kernel needs to have been built with the Keyring service enabled'
trinque: looks to be a deliberate backdoor
trinque: and is perhaps (heh!?!!) not the only one
asciilifeform: nah somebody accidentally tripped over a cosmic ray in the bath
trinque: to your point about "why is there no pruning tool for this thing"
asciilifeform: my point was that there is no actual practical reason why a kernel ought to contain so much as one instruction pertaining to devices that i don't have and will never have on my box.
trinque: indeed.
asciilifeform: it is not difficult to do runtime coverage. every routine starts by setting a flag. ones who never set their flag, get listed as dead code.
asciilifeform: !s facedancer
assbot: 3 results for 'facedancer' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=facedancer
asciilifeform: ^ commercial tool for exploiting the 'billion buggy device drivers' idiocy
phf: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/gcov.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1TJ5VGY )
asciilifeform: it's just a box with microcontroller and two usb ends, one for victim, one for operator
asciilifeform: you program it to emulate a usb widget that has exploitable driver in the victim's os.
asciilifeform: the idea is, of course, ancient.
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asciilifeform: i have a similar, handmade instrument here, for years, and know other folks who also.
asciilifeform: phf: gcov is pointedly ~not~ what i want
phf: how come?
asciilifeform: i don't need the granularity
asciilifeform: nor the slowdown
asciilifeform: nor the magic development mode flags.
asciilifeform: it needs to be sop per-install and automatic.
asciilifeform: because there is no fucking reason for it not to be sop.
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asciilifeform: phf: let's lay it out, for the n00bz and the not-so-alert-readerz
asciilifeform: EVERY device driver routine, without exception, has some means for determining whether said device is physically present.
asciilifeform: whether by scanning for a particular bus id and then querying, or whatever
asciilifeform: MANDATE CANONICAL LIST of these.
asciilifeform: !up minzieee
minzieee: Hi
asciilifeform: this is elementarily obvious.
asciilifeform: minzieee: and who might you be ?
mircea_popescu: !up minzieee
minzieee: Hi
minzieee: Anyone can help me setting up qt trader? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=201062.0
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mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform admire the craftiness of imbecility. derp was here asking about wanting to DO it a week or so ago, etc.
asciilifeform: wai wut?!
asciilifeform: which it
mircea_popescu: "oh how do i trade from qt" bla bla
asciilifeform: ah
asciilifeform: astonishing
phf: ^- http://buttersafe.com/comics/2008-10-23-Detour.jpg ☟︎☟︎