ben_vulpes: heh veen and i broke apple's facial recognition on the first day it shipped. filed report, crickets.
mircea_popescu: that part is certainly coming. dreamers moving towards their vats as foretold.
ben_vulpes: foregoing oblique unlock is going to be hard to jam down the kids throat
ben_vulpes: or the ability to hand phone to friends and unlock it
ben_vulpes: even having the lock on is pretty uncommon, people go to lengths to turn it off
mircea_popescu: you keep seeing method to the madness. there's no method.
mircea_popescu: the face thing is a step in the direction of argentina : it doesn't work, nobody knows how to fix it and it's not anybody;s fault anyway so let's adapt.
mircea_popescu: same thing that produced the above microsoft networking paradigm.
mircea_popescu: same thing that the gyneceum always produces, and i don't give a shit you call it "human resources" or "engineers" or "the stupid bitches in ditch A"
mircea_popescu: i'm on the record not conflating them, take the recent c/llvm discussion.
mircea_popescu: but ars vita, longa brevis or how that went. very little space for actual agency in the wailing crowd.
mircea_popescu: the ~only thing that is even vaguely similar to that is the sort of deep-in-the-bowels systems engineering as to my mind best exemplified by the llvm thing and ~nothing else.
mircea_popescu: not airfoil manufacture ; not electronic countermeasures ; not special ops ; not diplomacy, nothing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, but this is not unlike saying cow can fly because gut produces methane.
mircea_popescu: back at reality once, they managed it ONCE. they can't do it at-will ; they can't even do it again. it's rather a crapshot than a thing.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 23:55 asciilifeform: but meanwhile in the monkey cages,
https://archive.is/iUfOp >> '“Climate change is not a controversy,” read one sign at yesterday’s “Rally to Stand Up for Science,” which drew hundreds to the historic downtown plaza. ... "We're really trying to send a message today to Mr. Trump that America runs on science, science is the backbone of our prosperity and progress," said Geoffrey Supran, a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard Univer
veen: > our scientism has shown these facts to be self-evident! such reasoning is sufficient to affect trajectory of body politic and clown car alike
mircea_popescu: are you talking about llvm or about the imaginary market for "Tablets" ?
mircea_popescu: this is an entirely spurious novel item in our discussion.
mircea_popescu: we were talking about cognitive capability ; not about "the dutch invented the tulip tradegood and everyone was stuck being immitator -- for a while anyway"
mircea_popescu: so -- yes, "someone" had the cognitive capability to
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594887 ; but that same someone failed to produce a workable counterpart to the russian jet ; or any kind of response to the chinese missilization ; or any sort of coherent narrative for the middle east ; or even anything past "never happened - if it happened it doesn't matter - if it matters we did it anyway" re russkis turning off the ele
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 18:20 mircea_popescu: but not just llvm - the whole world exists, and it produces things such as "'Static linking of user binaries is not supported on Mac OS X. Tying user binaries to the internal implementation of Mac OS X libraries and interfaces would limit our ability to update and enhance Mac OS X. Instead, dynamic linking is supported (linking against crt1.o automatically instead of looking for crt0.o, for example). We strongly recommend tha
mircea_popescu: ctronics on a cruiser whose only raison d'etre is an imaginary electronics war.
mircea_popescu: on the balance of an endless field of failures with one (relatively minor) bright spot, the theory that "the face thing is also a step to
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752" is a little less supported than the theory that " monkey throwing shit against a wall"
mircea_popescu: whether it'll be enough or not, for what it aims to do or for something else, is an entirely different discussion. but the important point is that man has raeched that sad level of overpopulation where it assembles into meta-creatures.
mircea_popescu: much like locusts eventually get too many and swarm, man got too abundant and is now making shambling horrors out of himself.
mircea_popescu: as far as these assemblages go, there isn't a substantial difference between the black pimp's hussle&flow and the white cuckold's hussle&flow. neither of them can act substantially and deliberately. gotta pick one.
mircea_popescu: this is a permanence of politics. the FUCKING POINT of an ambassador is that the barbarians can kill him.
mircea_popescu: which is why there's no glory in it, and why the more civilised ancients refrained.
mircea_popescu: no, don't slide. you were discussing "the 'counter to ru jet' is called '~100% of ru brass own walmart stock and have children at harvacambridgetonyale'".
mircea_popescu: most of those schmucks are never going to see the outside of a jail cell.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-15 20:05 mircea_popescu: check it out, they even call it us kleptocracy department! apt.
mircea_popescu: none of your business in which jail are they. suffice it to be said that they aren't ever coming out. and whoever feels uppity in usg "deep state" is very much next.
mircea_popescu: lol. well, by now your position has degraded enough so ima call this good.
mircea_popescu: mno. by the time you have to resort to "in my village it rains apples, SO THERE!" you can "win", but it'll be all by yourself.
mircea_popescu: the only item in power in the us today is trump. this should be abundantly clear, as a minimal qualifying bar for "op is not batshit insane". on the level of perceiving the sunset.
mircea_popescu: because the education of imbeciles is not on my budget.
mircea_popescu: the impale thing happens when you aim to educate, which is what the display of violence without possibility of recourse is all about.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Time since last block: 2 minutes and 8 seconds
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Error: Problem retrieving latest block data.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: None | Current Difficulty: {"difficulty":440779902286.5892} | Next Difficulty At Block: None | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
ben_vulpes: interesting, my irc client is not receiving
ben_vulpes: earlier i saw 3 lines from trinque hit all at once.
mod6: Finally caught up here...
mod6: sounds like your nodes are stablizing and getting blocks, have connected peers.
mod6: im gonna build in your patch and deploy. see how it goes, thank you for your submission to the ML.
mod6: ok, fair enough, just gonna keep an eye on it a bit longer then?
trinque: in point of fact, I did bother to grep for ping.
trinque: there's another mention in main.cpp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people have a little longer pipelines than THREE HOURS you.
ben_vulpes: i'm talking about that funky github repo.
trinque: just funkenstein virtue signaling while he pilfers
mircea_popescu: i'm sure about half the locker rooms in all highschools in history contained picture of most accomplished slut/jock in the class with words scribbled on it.
ben_vulpes: anyways, asciilifeform my queue is rather deep, working with mod6 on a thing
mod6: many thanks, Mr. Vulpes.
mod6: asciilifeform: sig verifies. ima build this one, unless you want me to hold off still.
BingoBoingo: Thank you alf for your impatience, its contribution is very appreciated
mod6: [nao building with v 99994A1 asciilifeform_goodbye_pingers_fixed.vpatch]
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i dunno why you're doing this skidding thing anyway, not like there's some sort of emergency.
mod6: hm. It ~is~ annoying. No gigantic rush.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider it one of the many benefits of single-node "man and his fortress" outlook.
mircea_popescu: it's a p2p network, which means it's lossy, shitty and etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it may be worth the contemplation to consider that bitcoin is the specific sort of thing you'd never have actually made specifically because its strengths are the sort of things you personally hate.
mircea_popescu: take this "send tx" "well bro... there's no guarantees" item.
mircea_popescu: "wtf anti-civilised non-engineered process is this then!" "words are given man to hide his thoughts, bro"
mircea_popescu: perhaps. but the CORRECT cut in there is a very high paygrade item.
mircea_popescu: which is what i meant re contemplation. not the sort of problem you usually enjoy, ergo not the sort of system you'd of your own choice make.
mircea_popescu: the jungle is a shitty forest no civilised man would wish to live in
mircea_popescu: we got more than its weight in gold, to date, from the happenstance that bitcoin is made of ~pure shit.
mircea_popescu: specifically because the llvm heads discussed earlier apparently don't get very far.
mircea_popescu: moreover, it was historically trivial to predict their predicaments and ambush.
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm not trying to persuade, i am merely stating the possibility.
mircea_popescu: specifically because it was contrived. the gcc shit is a conceit, not real shit.
mircea_popescu: not without it being complete (ie, also stop pinging).
mircea_popescu: that's the moral here : just how resilient the shit is. amorphous therefore eternal.
mircea_popescu: you know, they usually do some statement of what's being experimented when they do an experiment.
mircea_popescu: "this is an experiment to establish the density of water. we will be using a densometer to measure it, expect to see values in so and so range, for so and so reasons" etc.
mircea_popescu: experiment = 1. statement of phenomena being observed ; 2. description of experimental set-up and measuring tools ; 3. explanation of working theory and 4. statements of fact that stand to be falsified. all 4.
mircea_popescu: yes but this is supposed to be done prior not ex post facto.
mircea_popescu: btw, trump actually gave state to petraeus, at least on the declarative front.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: that's such an epic dead cat to hold over the libertards lmao
mircea_popescu: "hey, guess who wants to spitroast you all ? i... could put him in charge you know."
mircea_popescu: "and it'll piss a little on the courts too. seems like a great move. are you ready to suck the cock yet ?"
mircea_popescu: also he's tweeting off an ancient samsung galaxy. much to everyone's aghast anger.
mircea_popescu: well ostensibly not logging into an account that everyone now watches, because if it gets hijacked jets may get scrambled.
mircea_popescu: besides, if he has it on him, you know, like in a "sikrit place" like the whitehouse tree fort or under the covers, it could stagefright/illuminate teh "sikrits" usg supposedly has.
mircea_popescu: “The president is the original classification authority so he has enormous discretion about when and under what circumstances to do that,” Zach Goldman, the executive director of NYU’s Center on Law and Security, told Gizmodo. “If he decides he wants to read classified documents in the open, I don’t know what the intelligence community can do about that.”
mircea_popescu: total and utter despair, the 15yos going "dad owns the house, he could technically chop down the tree, and there's nothing we can do to prove to him it's really ygdrasil!!1"
trinque: carter could get thrown out of anywhere
trinque: in the particular instance mentioned, guy was what, "oh I'll tell everyone about the aliens once I get in there!11!"
trinque: got in, realized he was an idiot and it was cover for ICBMs and SR-71s
mircea_popescu: "i have this guy, and if you don't like him... i have another."
hanbot: why not Cher, at that rate
mircea_popescu: "and tonight in Department of State and Ginzu Knives, CHER AND SONY BOOOONOOO!!!!"
hanbot: seattle, schenectady, something
mircea_popescu: i thought new york chartered towns get ceos not mayors.
mircea_popescu: hanbot that's a pretty freaky series you got going there
BingoBoingo can't wait to hear what the SADFAG of the day is!
ben_vulpes: "Fact: Adversarial examples generalize across models trained to perform the same task, even if those models have different architectures and were trained on a different training set. This means an attacker can train their own model, generate adversarial examples against it, and then deploy those adversarial examples against a model they do not have access to."
mircea_popescu: yes yes, except it's as far from a fact as it could possibly get. it is, in nucet, the HOPE of usg "ai" work.
mircea_popescu: in simple words, "the only hope of an our democracy surviving the republican age is if some mechanical method to turn noise into sense is devised"
mircea_popescu: this is correct, but also hardly a fact. just the constraint.
mircea_popescu: how exactly "in order for you to exist, water must be pink and freely float in the atmosphere" turned into "fact: water is pink and freely floats in the atmosphere" has a lot to do with the hidden "i necessarily must exist" prior.
mircea_popescu: other than the (actual) fact that there's nothing necessary about existence, perfectly sound AAA+++ science. would worship again.
ben_vulpes: i don't hafta toss my sims out too, do i?
ben_vulpes rummages for the ultralight 'bigdog' sketches
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a common thread going through the google go ai, attempts to "secure the banking system against risk", the surveillance state / internet of things / smart cars and so on.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: that common thread is nothing novel - the socialist state through its central planning committee encounters the unknowns problem. for as long as that is not resolved, the socialist state is doomed in principle.
mircea_popescu: much like ancient chinese emperors had a very firm limit on their reign. no matter what anyone said, their divinity however described still ends one day.
mircea_popescu: so they did what they could do, invest in immortality pill research.
ben_vulpes: 'ai' to handle the unexpected situation/'unknowns problem'?
mircea_popescu: similarly here, every socialist state since hobbes' leviathan made some attempt to subjugate aquitaine, that horrifying heterodox place where riches spring from the very soil.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes some basis upon which a single authority may stand. see the problem with the reality function is that it does not have calculable maxima.
mircea_popescu: you may find a maximum, but it will be localized. this is no good.
mircea_popescu: for as long as reality resists formulation, there can't be properly speaking globalization in any meaningful sense ; just the pretense of it readily defeated in practice.
mircea_popescu: now, that this quest is doomed should be obvious. but what's the emperor to do, accept facts ? no teenager yet has admitted his inferiority to their archnemesis cum rival yet. it's just not the way of the highschool. and so...
ben_vulpes: i discern that people are really bad drivers
ben_vulpes: yeah, meatsacks shouldn't operate their own road ice.
ben_vulpes: mhm "even google ai is better at driving than most people"
a111: Logged on 2017-02-22 04:00 mod6: [nao building with v 99994A1 asciilifeform_goodbye_pingers_fixed.vpatch]
jurov: no adaists anymore in gentoo
a111: Logged on 2015-02-17 23:08 asciilifeform: gnat-4.3.5 is a working gentoo ebuild
a111: Logged on 2015-02-16 06:17 asciilifeform: so the 'google finds unique strings' thing, sure - can we conclude that i'm the only one alive trying to build 'gnat' on 'gentoo' ?
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: a man with a functionally inadequate reproductive organ has adorned his squalid abode with what purports to be cocaine.
mircea_popescu: that's the source of humour : that he's a walking stereotype and apparently unaware.
mircea_popescu: drug abuse promotes poor hygiene, cocaine shrinks cocks, you name it.
mircea_popescu: "what's the ultimate in orgasms ?" "to come powder. out your ass."
trinque: logic being, I guess, if I can't smell the fart AT LEAST I CAN SEE IT
mircea_popescu: and in today's dose of monster wtf : "<DicePower> So like, the 0.1.2b .tar.gz contains multiple files with the same name but of different case, i.e., EuloraV0.1.2\art\Graveyard~ and EuloraV0.1.2\art\GRAVEYARD~ which Windows wants to fix by overwriting one when the .tar is unzipped. What is the proper course of action to avoid later linking errors, etc.?"
veen:
https://archive.is/x57D1 << "NASA…has discovered a new solar system [with] three [planets] that sit squarely in the so-called ‘habitable zone,’ meaning that there is the potential for liquid water: the key for life on another planet."
veen: ^^ life’s hard dep on liquid water, choice fallacy of modern astronomy.
veen: as long as you define life to mean life like we have on earth
mircea_popescu: well it's kind-of the interest no ? "can trump build hotel resort"
ben_vulpes: the search for life that's more or less pretty much just like us, so far away as to provide a nice escape out of having to do anything other than write grants
veen: i perceive the interest to be more zoological
veen: rule out metabolic pathways that spontaneously arose in oceans of methane and the search is ~guaranteed to come up dry
mircea_popescu: even entertaining the zoological angle. what alternative pump do you envisage ?
mircea_popescu: understand that water is important because it does (at least) two pumps simultaneously. firstly the heat pump, secondly the synthesis pump. it is : a) an oxide (this means it doesn't burn -- not just "not in oxygen" but not in general, few elements are more reacrtive to substitute) which b) has an immense caloric capacity and also c) is a very powerful universal solvent.
mircea_popescu: this makes it a major schelling point for lifebuilding. do you know of an alternative material or combination that could serve ?
veen: i'm no expert in the field of biochemistry, but i'm aware models have been proposed
mircea_popescu: your planet will either need large oceans of something else (what ? water ? then water-life will take over) or else will experience large temperature swings
veen: hypothetically ammonia and various hydrocarbons could do the trick
mircea_popescu: these more-than-order-of-magnitude differentials matter in engineering.\
veen: mircea_popescu: 'cc'?
mircea_popescu: veen if you bother to do the math you'll see there's actually pretty good reason to suspect life ~= water within three or so sigmas.
ben_vulpes: aka heat required to raise a gram of the material 1c
mircea_popescu: "pour ammonia on it" won't work nearly as well when your alt-lifeforms manage to start a kitchen fire out of icecubes and alt-wood shavings.
veen wonders if specific heat varies with pressure
mircea_popescu: unless your idea of pressure is "degenerate matter", it dun matter.
mircea_popescu: yes with phase. but your life will contain liquid most likely.
☟︎ shinohai: Now that is non-Newtonian fluid I can get behind.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-22 21:28 mircea_popescu: yes with phase. but your life will contain liquid most likely.
mircea_popescu: yes, so there's a latent phasechange heat of what, 17k or so, roughly 4 degree's worth.
mircea_popescu: considering you're about 50kgs of water and 50grams of sweat, i hardly see the difference.
mircea_popescu: point being, a gas phase lifeform is rather unlikely, and a solid phase one'd be utterly slow.
mircea_popescu: but in any case the pressurizing of a gas won't yield significant caloric capacity to matter in this discussion.