mircea_popescu: "A few years ago, there used to be a very easy way to optimize code. If you found out that your processor-heavy code was running a bit slower than you wanted it to, the simple solution was just to wait for the next hardware iteration, which would magically amp up the clock rate on the CPUs and your app would suddenly run faster."
mircea_popescu: ^ quoted from tutorial on "celluloid", which is QUITE the ruby... emerald. by some indian kid.
phf: asciilifeform: if i have procedure foo(x in; y out), and i'm calling it with foo(a, a); is it up to procedure to ensure that y is not clobbered before x is used, or is it more that you don't call with a same variable in in and out?
phf: you overestimate the state of things here. i only just managed to ~actually~ get a working very very naive expt
phf: what do i do with that loop_counter_overflow (technically underflow). it will never get triggered, but i feel like there needs to be some way to not leave it dangling. an assert of some sort
phf: well, i want to also indicate that at the end of the loop the value must be 0
phf: though unreferenced is also handy
BingoBoingo: ^ Biggest announcement in agriCulture this year!
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did i tell you about that time i grew the world's saddest eggplants ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo did i tell you about that time i grew the world's saddest eggplants ? << lol. last year, I got 1 out of like 3-4 plants. it looked more like a purple carrot.
BingoBoingo: mod6: Well good category to start is probably tomatoes. Growing process is well documented. As far north as you are "Early Girl" or similar may be your cultivar of choice.
mircea_popescu: growing epic tomatoes is possibly the most accessible gardening.
BingoBoingo: We had an inch and a half of rain Wednesday night and are looking at 5 inches over the weekend, so the Beefmaster was copiously fed in anticipation
mircea_popescu: i had a monsoon here four days a week since mid april.
BingoBoingo: Sweet corn and summer squash are other good candidates to consider, Lords are advised to consult their county fair's premium book to guide crop selection.
BingoBoingo: I am pretty sure I mentioned nearby horseradish festival
BingoBoingo: Anyways the pest on the tomatoe leaf looks like some sort of scale insect of which there are many
mod6: BingoBoingo: oh yeah, my tomatoes do well. i did 22 plants 2 years ago, 10 last year. im most fond of the cherries & romas.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Persistent pest everywhere, some are defeated by soaps, others carbaryl
mod6: it's been raining non-stop here too.
BingoBoingo: mod6: At many fairs, those are two seperate categories you can enter
mod6: the mn statefair has some /large/ specimens
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in fairness i was never serious about it in the productive sense, more like an enjoyable passtime.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, there is also that. Not necessarily incompatible, naked girls can also kneel in dirt to pick the bounty.
BingoBoingo: At some point tomatoe grows to the point where it takes a substantial number of pests to be a problem. Anyways usually soapy water usually suffocates them and suds are generally safe for naked girlies
BingoBoingo: Few garden pest usually demand organophasphates to be oppressed.
BingoBoingo: But when the farmers harvest the corn and the now hungry stinkbugs come, using nerve agents against them is fair
BingoBoingo: A good compost pile can be a wonderful diversion in that way
BingoBoingo: slugs and snails usually don't really care much for freshness
BingoBoingo: Anyways, idea of the project is that any lord who enjoys this recreation has ready opportunity to demonstrate their ability to dominate wherever they decide to turn their focus if they so choose
mircea_popescu: in other news : ##crypto did 530/738 lines as join/part spam Apr 27 13:21:01 to Apr 27 21:26:05. the remainder 208 lines were 90% of the material and about 450% of the signal us. i think asciilifeform 's evaluation prevails.
mircea_popescu: if i one day actually wish to entertain adolescentine farts about "qc" or such nonsense ima just invite for dinner any of the bois oogling my women from a safe distance.
shinohai: I'm still incredulous that one guy is so hoity-toity he won't say FUCKGOATS
shinohai: I'm dying of a snakebite, but won't take any anti-venom called fucksnakes
shinohai goes back to filling his box with malicious entropy ....
mircea_popescu: 1. let's make "government issued id" the underpinning of the pgp web of trust, because totally, what could be better or above the fiat empire du jour ; 2. key ids. because really.
mircea_popescu: and this is symptomatic of the sheer confusion OF EVERYTHING these fuckwits live in. "Personally, I will only sign keys if I have done at least casual checking or very careful checking. I will not sign a key if I have not verified the ownership of the key. This weakens the Web of Trust." and then eats up weak hashes and government paper. because why the fuck not, PERFECTLY coherent with his "careful" stance.
mircea_popescu: dude's key is ancient and yet reported as submitted today
shinohai: Tox: "Please use our mailing lists or the Reddit forums for general user support. "
mircea_popescu: in any case it should have been, it's ancient, dude keeps signing others with it etc. "strong set" as they call it.
mod6: "we heard you like email, so we put some email in your email..."
mircea_popescu: for a moment there i almost thought there's something wrong with phuctor.
mircea_popescu: i've been contemplating the point of whether more than 1 in 1000 humans actually have need for electrical power.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: to my shock the answer's not quite as directly obvious as one'd like.
BingoBoingo: The only people really served by mass electrification are marketers
mircea_popescu: how did that go, electricity + power of soviets = socialism ?
mircea_popescu: in other electricities, "La exmujer de un oligarca comparte su secreto para ganar dinero en Internet..."
mircea_popescu: truth be told you don't actually need, or for that matter want, electricity to juju worship. be a lot happier with a coupla tubers rather than all this unmanageable complexity
BingoBoingo: That's as a worshipper. As a peddler of a particular juju, electricity helps to sell more jujidgets
mircea_popescu: but it's exactly the same as the rent market : yes, you sell more jujidgets but guess what ? so does everyone else. so now you HAVE TO sell more jujidgets.
BingoBoingo: Or Jewidgets, however the spelling works out
mircea_popescu: electricity is not actually serving you, much like the idea of "stand on tiptoes to see better at ball game" doesn't actually serve you.
mircea_popescu: all you get is... "well now you GOTTA stand on tiptoes, sucker"
BingoBoingo: Well it's inflation. So what about actual value? Gotta march to 120k classroom monitor!
BingoBoingo: So tiptoes on stacked jujewgidgets all because tv said so.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-04-28 06:10:10: <danielpbarron> and a command to query for uncompressed specifics of a named auction
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1325.09, vol: 7937.54606425 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1290.004, vol: 5832.62338 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1393.5, vol: 12385.97136821 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1131.0029, vol: 9843.39680000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1325.343, vol: 3404.35614867 | Volume-weighted last average: 1292.93748819
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i must confess -- styling html makes me impotent
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what means "gloms horizontally"?
ben_vulpes: i am looking. what in particular are you objecting to?
Framedragger: verdana sucks. especially when it's not antialiased
Framedragger: actually interestingly, trilema.com also renders verdana here on firefox. but i think that ben_vulpes' site somehow managed to use "verdana italic" as "regular verdana", which looked horribru. but i'm not sure what that even
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Seriously, the correct answer is to not style web text.
Framedragger: thing is, you can monospace with <pre> and let browser decide on monospaced font, too
Framedragger: you can view <pre> as a content/semantic tag, and 'style' would be 'shit in css'. i mean, if we truly believed in content/form separation on the web
ben_vulpes: web is not even a place where "words have meaning"
ben_vulpes: browser authors happily route around eg multiple identical ids on same page
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but this in re BingoBoingo's 'just don't style' << <pre> isn't style, it's semantic
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Any thoughts towards the agriCltural Supremacy Challenge
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i thought about looking up local fairs
ben_vulpes: but digesting other people's abstractions distracted me
danielpbarron: !!v 14AAE3891C27B0694C3B0DAF888335CD80BBA0E06A1AF618A4A532EBDDA7AFC4
deedbot: danielpbarron updated rating of juliatourianski_ from 4 to -4 << Stupid harlot, segwit shill, self-admitted enemy of the republic
ben_vulpes: self-admitted enemy of the republic is a new one, gotta citation on hand danielpbarron ?
Framedragger: meh. if i was told out of the blue like that, i may respond the same :) (contra is of course "ignorance is not an excuse")
trinque: man, I was hoping for some kind of spy vs spy situation where danielpbarron thwarted her honeydicking
danielpbarron: i have spent considerable time in person with her in which she is very friendly, and she knows well about tmsr, this goes back several years
trinque: danielpbarron: I always take "anarchist chick" as "I have daddy problems omg look at me breaking the rules"
mats: busy building a brand and appearing on cringey venues like 'anarchast' and 'anarchapulco'
mats: good if you want to be roger ver and Bitcoin Mary
mircea_popescu: trinque since we're on it, what do you take "lesbian" as ?
trinque: I've seen both "I hate taking baths" and "holy shit there are zero acceptable men in my wot" variants
danielpbarron: unrelatedly, trinque why can't i deed stuff? i tried again with a smaller thing and i got the same result. bot says "deeds online" much later but my entry isn't on the website
trinque: you're deeding huge items yes?
danielpbarron: i asked if i should do that and someone specifically told me to do it this way
trinque: otherwise your feature request is noted and I'll have to do something about eating bigger files
trinque: know what? I bet it's just a timeout happening
trinque: danielpbarron: I'm gonna stop my bitcoin node a sec
trinque: poar past trinque said to himself "ah this thing's for text, whole download in ram no problem"
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
trinque: danielpbarron: where is this going? infinite Eulora kids going to download it?
trinque: the pipe on this box is not unmetered.
danielpbarron: i wanted to preserve a copy of it for the future in case it's no longer available anywhere else
danielpbarron: most noobs do the windows thing and don't need the linux drivers
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 22:36 danielpbarron: what is the proper way to deed such an item? clearsign the sha512sum ?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 17:50 Framedragger: actually interestingly, trilema.com also renders verdana here on firefox. but i think that ben_vulpes' site somehow managed to use "verdana italic" as "regular verdana", which looked horribru. but i'm not sure what that even
mircea_popescu: some people end up with dual char mode because no chinese support in the default.
trinque: danielpbarron: anyhow for now I request that you use deedbot as something to check against, and not as a CDN/archive.is
ben_vulpes: it's a real site watching me haul my broken carcass out of the muscle car
trinque: I can help ya make it eat more large objects (don't mind the archivng) but eventually it's going to need to either deplete the deed author's wallet account for $amountOfBitsServed, or something along those lines
trinque: at which point I'd be more than happy to serve up whichever bits forever
trinque: obviously I'll also make special cases for things like trb deeds.
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-28#1649251 << as the case currency stands with regards to tox, the saddest thing about it is not its pos code, pos design (i think there are some attempts to have a design?), but that some arguably should-know-better smart people are sinking time into it
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 03:34 mircea_popescu: anyway. anyone seen that tox thing ?
Framedragger actually went on their channel (whichever it was, they have like tox-talk and -dev and just tox or sth) to see if any clever people. yes, one iphy (also on ##crypto) understood that (1) it was an issue and (2) these other 'core member' fuckwits were destroying any goodwill
Framedragger: i think in the end they managed to address the fact that they should address it
Framedragger: here i have a problem because i don't think noise is necessarily bad; or that e.g. signal protocol is necessarily bad (yes names are barf'y)
Framedragger: i mean, 'compared to what'. certainly not compared to asciilifeform's actually-fucking-constant-time crypto architecture
mircea_popescu: does it not seem to you that a protocol framework (ie, some sort of method for "creating" or "tailoring" protocols) is broken in the head ?
Framedragger: oops by 'certainly not' i meant 'certainly pos compared to alf's
mircea_popescu: even if we don't consider practical experience (hey, automake tried to be a makefile framework yes ?) and only focus on the theoretical aspect
Framedragger: ah. well, i thought it was a set of lower-level crypto interfaces on which you could build higher-level protocols
Framedragger: i'm not convinced it's a very bad idea. i'm not advocating such 'we love complexiti' architecture of course
mircea_popescu: to put it another way : when a fundamental problem is well understood enough to approach conclusively, and yet the approach eschews creating a standard in favour of preserving choice, the signal is that the problem was NOT actually understood enough.
mircea_popescu: ie, a "protocol framework" is definitionally premature.
mircea_popescu: either you have a protocol standard, or else you have more prototyping work to do.
mircea_popescu: (at least that's what i parse the words to mean, framework = "standard with a lot of user serviceable knobs")
Framedragger: i think by 'you can create protocol' they meant a high degree of abstraction kind of protocol. e.g. stateless or stateful transport security, etc.
mircea_popescu: and who's going to cover the edge case interplay three feet deep ?
Framedragger: makes sense to have core building blocks. i see protocol framework here in the sense of openssl being a protocol framework
Framedragger: yesyes, many issues, sure. and in regards to openssl, you know what i meant, the interfaces that the openssl library exports to its operators
Framedragger: the fact that interfaces implement literal crap in the case of openssl is of course not the best advertising for a simile...
mircea_popescu: you mean that it runs on linux and consequently you can process its output ?
Framedragger: no, i mean that you can embed it in your $crapchatapp and not worry about IV reuse
mircea_popescu: the part that enables you to not worry thus is in your head not in the openssl.
Framedragger: (you can use more general methods which abstract away the internals)
mircea_popescu: i'd fucking worry. and i'd have great cause to worry, too.
mircea_popescu: because nobody actually looked at all the edge cases, on the assumption that they were only generated through the interplay of idle abstraction and will "never be encountered in practice"
mircea_popescu: which is of course what your crapapp will do post haste, if you've any luck.
Framedragger: i thought you were *for* a crypto library where operator would not have to use (by which i mean abuse, because he will) low level primitives?
mircea_popescu: let's revisit the early cs classes. if you have state machine A, with 4 states, and state machine B, with 5 states, the composed mechanism AB has... 20 states.
mircea_popescu: abstraction has this cost, that if i have to maintain AB i spend twice the time if i maintained an A and a B.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 20:36 mircea_popescu: yeah, how's the whole dwallet coming along ?
trinque: questions remain on how best to handle incoming deposits; I hear ben_vulpes might be working on something to help
mircea_popescu: if your protocol is, for the sake of this argument, a state machine with about 150k states, and then the "framework" is a further state machine with about a half million or so states, your protocol framework escapes security as a fundamental property of it.
ben_vulpes: trinque: output dumper's not entirely done but closeish
ben_vulpes: gotta back out the c++11 work, implement a predicate and test the shit out of it
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: no disagreement. i honestly don't know re framework, i do think they just abused a term (which isn't a great signal)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: even then, yes, explosion of statespace, sure
mircea_popescu: see, naggum's (correct) advice in that piece ##crypto barfed at was... MAKE YOUR TAILORED CL!
mircea_popescu: not "download the latest cl framework". that's the opposite approach/.
ben_vulpes: current thinking in re testing dumper is to solo mine and test but that's a not-small pile of test harness to write
mircea_popescu: even more directly : every kid who ever tried maintaining a machine, be it linux, bsd, anything, knows very directly the problem with this framework thing. apt-get is guess what ? a package framework. what's its principal function on anyone's machine ? that it imports packages you a) didn't want or need and b) turned out vulnerable.
mircea_popescu: but to return upstack : if i can't enumerate the states of my machine, i will thus therefore worry about it ending up in a state i can't predict, understand or recover. this is rational.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: well, you're right, damn. looking at list of thing signal gives though, it's just clean functions for doing crypto. i dunno. i think in the case of tox, its crypto may actually map well to noise, in the sense of them being able to just use stuff that noise provides, and not reimplement same shit in broken fashion
mircea_popescu: (predict : i know what it will do in the future ; understand : i know what it is doing now ; recover : i separated it from what it did in the past.)
Framedragger: but then that whole ecosystem may need to die before there is good in the world.
mircea_popescu: well, maybe. i'm not really able to evaluate a framework rightnao.
Framedragger: i just thought, asciilifeform's bignumtron is probably not even turing complete yes? if it's not, that *a big plus*
trinque: nor ignorant in general, but ever wanting to think the best of people, eh?
ben_vulpes swirls cape, disappears in flash of powder
Framedragger checks clock, 10pm, tilts head, office space, mk
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 20:49 Framedragger: because of openssl or because of this abstraction?
Framedragger: ^ interesting thing re above, note, your key thief can impersonate anyone *to* you, not impersonate *as you* - the latter is contained in "thief" and is unavoidable. but the former is avoidable.
☟︎ trinque: I remember the church derps used to say things like "there's a god-shaped hole in everyone". The homoeroticism of that aside, does appear that there's a "metaphysical domination" shaped hole in most folks. looks like this when nobody in your land bothers to stick it in.
Framedragger: (re. else, later, moving self. but just a quick note re turing complete, well yes a bignumtron should not in itself be turing complete, but i wasn't sure how much additional stuff was planned on top)
trinque: "oh I'll run around and gargle ideological cum from wherever I find it, invariably because of my own wish fulfillment fantasies and onanisms"
Framedragger: right, right, i should have known (you had mentioned this). cool :)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 21:09 asciilifeform: trinque: it is a very simple thing, think 'rpn calculator' and you almost have it.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 21:14 asciilifeform: the cost of using an item that does not fit in head, is essentially the cognitive equivalent of curl liquishit | bash .
a111: Logged on 2016-12-11 21:24 asciilifeform: for instance, p code is required to first thing put on the stack 1) how many p-instrs are permitted 2) how many bits wide the fixints are
a111: Logged on 2017-04-28 21:25 Framedragger: ^ interesting thing re above, note, your key thief can impersonate anyone *to* you, not impersonate *as you* - the latter is contained in "thief" and is unavoidable. but the former is avoidable.
mircea_popescu: trinque the hole stuff is eerily apt for the article i'm just brewing.
trinque just surfing the republican vortex
Framedragger: (what if it's a station key? what if you wanted to be alerted of 'key stolen!')
Framedragger: other people, e.g., who yes will be alerting both you and other-you
Framedragger: could just be a social thing, someone literally using your key
Framedragger: it's not deterministic, it's not guaranteed, it's pretty crap, yes, but given the option?..
Framedragger: no, there is no such thing, i said it's social. but hold on:
Framedragger: it's not an algo, i was referring to a possible fix of a further bad-thing that happens when key stolen. bad-thing is: once your key stolen, attacker (in that broken tox scheme) can impersonate as *anyone* *to* you.
Framedragger: so if you have your friend bob's key and bob writes you "dude key stolen wtf", you know that shit went down. but now, attacker can be 100 bobs, with 'signed messages' or whatever, telling you "no don't listen to this impersonator not-bob, you're fine"
Framedragger: i do not believe in "single key" thing. there is main-key. but you can have station keys. which can't format hdd. that's slippery slope
Framedragger: if scheme works as it should, you get a signed message from bob and you know it's bob who sent it to you.
Framedragger: the idea is that your key was not stolen while attacker had root access to your box.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think he's thinking, basically, of divorce.
Framedragger: no, wait, it's *you* who lost the key, not bob.
mircea_popescu: so basically if master key annuls a key it is thereby annulled ?
Framedragger: i don't have a super-plausible scenario. i'm saying such scenario is possible; scheme used by tox can 'minimise damage' (i realise that it's a funny word when describing 'key stolen'); it doesn't, hence that complaint on shithub.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i don't think the discussion about say gossipd station keys vs 'main key' was necessarily finished? i realise that it ain't pretty
Framedragger: asciilifeform: they were already using a scheme which was supposed to protect it, but broke the spec, and implemented poorly. i don't remember but it's probably fixable without migrating to snakeoil or whatever framework
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: would love to but not tonight. is big topic!
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 21:44 asciilifeform: revocation is a ~promise~, in that there is not such a thing, and never will be such a thing, as a magical lever that instantly makes a key stop working.
mircea_popescu: well, as conclusive as it gets. see the gossipd design document comment section.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 21:41 asciilifeform: znort987: rather, yes, there was provision for it in the original openpgp spec, but it is a bogus concept because it entails a global repository of revocation messages and a universal agreement re what time it presently is.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a funnysituation this, miners just can't stick to mining. gotta gravitate towards the flame. so what if ~only thing flame does is burn butterflies.
pete_dushenski: i dun recall shitrons being published directly by miners but i may be forgetting one.
pete_dushenski:
http://archive.is/unVPU << related (antbleed - bitmain). " We planned to add this feature to the code to empower customers to control their miners which often times can be hosted outside their premises. This was after more than one incident of miners being stolen from a mining farm or being hijacked by the operator of the mining farm"
pete_dushenski: "This feature was intended to allow the owners of Antminer to remotely shut down their miners that may have been stolen or hijacked by their hosting service provider, and to also provide law enforcement agencies with more tracking information in such cases. We never intended to use this feature on any Antminer without authorization from its owner."
pete_dushenski: these are the people who 'should be more sane' but... aren't. quite clearly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this happened at least two times i know of.
mircea_popescu: hey, i am not defending their contortions, i am speaking as to fact.
trinque: danielpbarron: looks like that one can't make it through with the current code.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, asc also rather wasteful for large files.
pete_dushenski: in related metaphysical sciences, "Multivariate linear regression analysis indicated that lifetime psychedelic use (but not lifetime cocaine use or weekly alcohol consumption) positively predicted liberal political views, openness and nature relatedness, and negatively predicted authoritarian political views, after accounting for potential confounding variables. Ego dissolution experienced during a
☟︎ pete_dushenski: participant's "most intense" psychedelic experience positively predicted liberal political views, openness and nature relatedness, and negatively predicted authoritarian political views."
pete_dushenski: shinohai: lel i read 'bards' and thought 'shakespeare'
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> participant's "most intense" psychedelic experience positively predicted liberal political views, openness and nature relatedness, and negatively predicted authoritarian political views." << Cocaine use positively correlates with an interest in having money
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: this distinction hasn't been noted within individuals so much as between them. same as per this study afaict.
pete_dushenski: anyways, i thought it was being a ceo that made one taller
pete_dushenski: something about incidence of men >6'5" being <1% in general population but ~20% amongst fortune 500 ceos
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Fortune 500 CEO's are hired to project appearance of dominance, not actually be dominant
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: same clinic also sells 'dubs' for car. lead to whole 'dub culture' in early 2000s. deuce-deuces!
pete_dushenski: or maybe it doesn't depend on the co.. if 'hired' then not founder, so...
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: your wisdom of the streets knows no bounds :p
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> or maybe it doesn't depend on the co.. if 'hired' then not founder, so... << Fortune 500 usually rides on inertia rather than continued interest of founder in concern
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: one wonders what the attendees were seasoned with. salt ? paprika ? a dash of lemon zest ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'fortune 500' is approx as interesting as that other nomenklatura. << Hey, thanks to "Real World" cryptographers you too can walk the street wearing privacy invisible pants
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 17:44 mircea_popescu: sure.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 17:31 asciilifeform: the #1 entry is gut-bustingly lulzy to asciilifeform , because i spend ~half year auditing a multilinear-map thing for $rupturefarm, and even was sent to a 'conference' where 'serious cryptographers' did not even blink when someone walked in with a proof that whole thing was crock of shit
phf: asciilifeform: thanks for the ada updates, i was reading knuth's book 3 on arbitrary precision multiplication, so you're 20 steps ahead of me
phf: so my very very naive algo takes 120 seconds to expt 2345 to 5678
phf: which i think should be considered a kind of upper bound (this is the most naive algo, without making it intentionally retarded)
phf: in related lulz Karatsuba and Ofman's "Multiplication of Many-Digital Numbers by Automatic Computers" doesn't seem to be available anywhere online, but "everyone" seems to know it somehow
☟︎ phf: right, i figure as much from reading cmucl's source code (which uses k.)
phf: philistine that i am, for a longest time i thought karatsuba was japanese..