mircea_popescu: not entirely clear what the benefit of ~signing~ said ephemeral keys is however
☟︎ Framedragger: concepts not contradictory, you use one as session key, the other to link sessions in terms of authorship / who participates in said sessions. unless you meant something more technical/particular mircea_popescu
Framedragger: asciilifeform: won't argue as it's obvious that it'd be fruitless. i can certainly see the viewpoint. "what he pushes == snakeoil" is a strong accusation tho. however, i'm not prepared to provide defence till i'm old, weary, and wise (or at least till i'm old)
mircea_popescu: the authority of an ephemeral key must be a) contextual and b) not reconstructable.
Framedragger: ephermeral keys are usually used for encryption; i don't think the functions of permanent vs. ephermeral keys are mutually exclusive at all
Framedragger: all i meant was that you e.g. have an otr fingerprint - which represents a permanent keypair. but your otr client establishes ephemeral key per each session
mircea_popescu: otr is ~broken, i wouldn't want it as an example for functional pfs.
Framedragger: however if you want to be sure that it was bob who constructed this session that you're now participating in - your old friend bob will have to show that he owns the private key
Framedragger: right, the example, however, only probed a general scheme, and no protocol particulars. but fair enough
mircea_popescu: anyway, to understand each other : if M are messages signed by K[eys], then if on the basis of M2 you can prove that indeed K1 was used for M1 then your system is not pfs, and K aren't ephemeral.
☟︎ Framedragger: hm, see i put more weight on the "can't encrypt if permanent key is compromised" part in pfs
mircea_popescu: there's one definition of pfs, and that is, later keys being compromised does not show anything about earlier keys.
Framedragger: butbut, yes of course, hence the whole idea of otr actually changing session key constantly, for plausible deniability and all that (and won't argue that it's not broken)
mircea_popescu: sure, but merely "chaning" the key is not good enough. if it signs it... they're there.
Framedragger: right, so your idea of pfs is perfect unlinkability, so to speak. of course this makes sense
Framedragger: how do you ensure that it's still bob you're talking to, or do you not care (on some technical or literal level)
mircea_popescu: you ever got to read the many discussions re gossipd in log ? this part is there.
Framedragger: ..getting to it. lots of stupid jokes to sift through. but thanks, will continue
mircea_popescu: (if you mean, in gossipd. if you mean in general... ouf, complicated issue.)
Framedragger: both, i suppose, or either would be interesting. gossipd probably provides decent constraints and framework for thought, so might as well stick to that
Framedragger: (i hope you lost any hope in ip address in packet as a form of identity/proof/whatnot, though!)
Framedragger: (i mean, ip address as it appears in an IP header)
a111: Logged on 2016-05-16 13:52 mircea_popescu: actually, let me go into detail, why the hell not. ("because derps stalk the logs for examples of how x doesn't understand y" "and ?" "myeah.")
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't think ips were ever seriously considered as identity.
Framedragger: (aha, "actual order" of messages is not one of the requirements; interesting; i suppose folks who maintain that breaking order integrity == breaking s3curity!! are kind of derpy anyway, in the sense that if you have something critical to communicate, you'll find other means to derive integrity, etc.)
mircea_popescu: more importantly, "order" is not clearly a physical entity. all you have is observers.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 00:23 mircea_popescu: anyway, to understand each other : if M are messages signed by K[eys], then if on the basis of M2 you can prove that indeed K1 was used for M1 then your system is not pfs, and K aren't ephemeral.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 00:13 mircea_popescu: not entirely clear what the benefit of ~signing~ said ephemeral keys is however
Framedragger: i'll sketch mp's scheme on a whiteboard tomorrow or thereabouts, so i can say that i get the picture. makes sense overall, in terms of no chans as such, etc etc.
Framedragger: pfs is unclear but then who had it easy with worthwhile things anyway
Framedragger: didn't think it was overcomplicated tbh, i mean, not this particular part anyway
Framedragger: DH exchange gets temporally split, so to speak
Framedragger: not saying that it wouldn't be super easy to fuck it up via all sorts of baroque side channels and whatnot
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481381 << would the scheme of gossipd in your mind as it currently stands allow for signatures by a non-permanent gpg key (by something akin to ephemeral key)? identity (of communicating party) integrity would be within the decrypted contents; but not ascertainable by message header (here's gpg id 0xbabe)
☝︎ Framedragger: right, which allows for transitivity of one sort or another, i suppose. fair enough
mircea_popescu: prolly should also be pointed out that atm the design is yet the consistency of pudding.
Framedragger should write some kind of simple thingie which takes (1) keyword and (2) timestamp pairs as intervals, and produces a kind of wiki page for all given keywords. (2) can be amended later as needed. so that there'd be a page for gossipd without much effort at all
☟︎☟︎ ben_vulpes: 20-something, "put wifi in the cardano!"
ben_vulpes: 2016, "put moxie marlinspike in gossipd!"
ben_vulpes: 2020 something something egalitarian treatment of UCI nodes
phf: asciilifeform: you were right, four quarters is a large shtf project, using hippie and music festivals to find their operations. i can see why orlol would like it
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phf: shit hits the fan, preparedness crowd term for hypothetical future civilization break down
phf: well, they've been buying up land around where they are with loans, and paying it off from donations and festivals which they write off as "religious ceremonies".
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is as good a plan as it gets in the context.
mircea_popescu: (okemos high school, 2800 jolly road, meridian charter township, mi 48864)
shinohai: Ah, she wants to be "Black owned". How cute.
mircea_popescu: do you know it BingoBoingo ? the one describing a pimp with two fat women ; a guy with a hot chick fucking her in the bathroom ; and other things.
mircea_popescu: anyway : white fellow married a woman older than himself, impregnated her at the merry age of 30, and produced a useless shithead, which opted out just by the time "society" was done pumping half a mil in his sorry loser ass.
mircea_popescu: girl's desire to be black owned is not only perfectly understandable in that context, but rationally mandatory. what the fuck is she to do ?if she's got any life whatsoever left in her coils, what the everloving fuck is she to do, nurse eric ?
mircea_popescu: (obviously, the hallucinated "black as non-white" she imagines has little to do with anything found in nature, but hey, sucks to be a black dude with a human sized penis.)
PeterL: $register PeterL F595258CD9F1FDBDEFAE5093B4E2E0DCACB63D25
PeterL: how to update to new key with deedbot?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: PeterL not even sure that's possible - a question for trinque
Framedragger: yeah, "co-founders" are left with shares of shit class and shit amount thereof, it's a nice scam
mircea_popescu: unlike whatever random thug that got killed dealing and started "riots", and who for no reason became "representative" of imaginary "social issues" - the story here, if deliberately blacked out, is nevertheless very representative. that schmuck stands, pars pro toto, for EVERYONE EVER in fiat lands.
Framedragger: (and you may still need to play egregious taxes if in US, even before you get to exercise them etc)
mircea_popescu: but if you want to know how the usg corrupt class siphons the public hreasury - look no further. that's the system, "acquisitions", government-mandated, like facebook buying some derpy app for $random_sum, and so on. "we gave you free money, now you give it back" goes the story.
shinohai: LOL Microsoft buying LinkedIn ... will TOTALLY improve their security.
mircea_popescu: the funny part being, of course, that nobody is pushing to "crack down on corruption" when it actually happens, ie, here. no, "cracking down on corruption" is Reich-speech for what happens in a recently conquered land, to destroy its local elite. that's what's meant when you say random noplace government harping about how they'll crack down on imaginary "corruption".
mircea_popescu: a government recently installed, of course, through a push for "human rights" and "democracy", widely "embraced". ie, first destroy the state, then destroy the society, then it's time to walmart up.
Framedragger: oh yeah already forgot about the password steal. lol. just fuck the entrepreneur world with a rake
mircea_popescu: eh linkedin is the entrepreneur world like livejournal is the poet world.
Framedragger: actually i'm sure there are some legit poets on LJ, heh.
Framedragger: but yeah, i meant entrepreneur not in the etymological/definitional sense, but in the "currently attached bundle of crappy connotations" sense
mircea_popescu: well, they're sorta like the girls watching tv hoping to one day grow up into oprah through the mediation of being rap video sluts. except they're boys, and they read reddit, and hope to one day "make a company that sells for billions".
mircea_popescu: for all the pretense, the difference between these demos is vanishingly small if at all present.
Framedragger: daddy's connections help with the arbitrary selection
mircea_popescu: i suppose their respective gatherings are the sum total of such difference : less clothing, more sunshine and more perfume where the girlies gather. more armpit stains and bad shirts and neon lighting where the boys gather.
Framedragger: and stickers on laptops because geek kultura and san francisco amirite
mircea_popescu: which, really, === laptops, for what "laptop" means today.
Framedragger: smart watches (now with 9h of battery life!!1) are laptops t00!!
mircea_popescu: and fuck do i love this dual format omfg. how did people irc pre blogs ? how do people blog w/o irc ? i guess they use twitter... but shit, it doesn't compare.
mircea_popescu: stuff you don't feel like writing out in 1k words, interactive etc has a place. moreover, that place drives like a third or more of the longer pieces. it's a match made in heaven.
mircea_popescu: oh and mod6 - suppose i want to add the observation that really, the wallet functionality and the "caching transactions" functionality should be separated in bitcoin - there's no conceivable reason to store the latter in the former for instance. how would i go about adding this to the bitcoin tickets ? ask you ? do something myslef ?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 13:26 mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform you gonna make a ticket set for phuctor ?
mircea_popescu: well - it's what it is. there's a dedicated loafer community out there, adamant on "i shall not be useful". best filter them out asap.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in its own terms it makes sense, a sort of solipsistic revolt of the anal child. nevertheless... let jesus save them or whatever, we're busy.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 13:27 mircea_popescu: oh and mod6 - suppose i want to add the observation that really, the wallet functionality and the "caching transactions" functionality should be separated in bitcoin - there's no conceivable reason to store the latter in the former for instance. how would i go about adding this to the bitcoin tickets ? ask you ? do something myslef ?
Framedragger: ahh " get pgp keys out of the gwen[sic] / sr dump"
Framedragger: probably an easy grep; all text uncompressed ~1.6TB; will keep it mind for laters
Framedragger: someone also tried spidering ssh keys from .onion hosts, and then matching them with ssh keys of ipv4 space; i want to re-try that, too
mircea_popescu: not a bad idea actually. guaranteed to de-"anonymise" at least a few
Framedragger: low hanging fruits in opsec failures, volume one
mircea_popescu: it's the correct approach ; what yielded phuctor also.
mircea_popescu: what few know/recall today is that when we started it, the agreement was "it's not going to find anything".
mircea_popescu: this approach is to be continued systematically. much like a principal wanting to root out the crips from school is best advised to start with checking homework.
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mircea_popescu: which is why this simple strategy is so effectual - magic tricks work by directing the chump's attention SPECIFICALLY because emulating reality is so damned expensive you can only economically do it in small installments. you'd better make damn sure that's where they're looking and ONLY where they're looking. nobody can fucking afford to give a coat of paint over EVERYTHING.
mircea_popescu: so, always go after the places where "nobody'd ever look because nothing could ever be found because nobody'd ever look". total snakecharm.
Framedragger: particularize and shine light upon the particular cracks of the delusional reality model
Framedragger: re. hanno: oh yeah? i had thought he had had a point, re. those broken subkeys not being used anyway. but i guess the point is that phuctor found some *actually used* keys, etc.
mircea_popescu: i couldn't give less of a shit about the disparate bits of reality he tried to fashion a disavowal out of.
mircea_popescu: that's how the trick works, "but look at the hat, look at the hat"
mircea_popescu: yes, there's a hat. now, about that table it sits on...
PeterL: how do you know nobody used the keys?
mircea_popescu: yeah the numerous instances of "hey listen, your key being diddled IS NOT ABOUT YOU! you'd never fucking know!" managed to get ignored something fierce huh.
Framedragger: these diddled keys.. they can just be re-uploaded to sks keyservers all the time, no? maybe keyservers should have a phuctor-like policy of rejecting shitty keys?
Framedragger: PeterL: gpg client should reject subkeys not signed by master key or somesuch, was the argument i think
mircea_popescu: i think it's more a case of "the last person who knew how any of this worked left a decade ago, we're just idea guys"
Framedragger: right. that verification of self-signatures.. it is done by gpg clients tho, no?
mircea_popescu: anyway, lest the wrong impression forms - we don't have a good understanding of who did what to whom and why. it's not even clear we enumerated the classes of deeds that phuctor dredged up.
Framedragger: "Complicating things is the fact that Danica is pregnant. Neither the serpiente nor the avians are crazy about the idea of a mixed-blood child taking the throne. A child of a cobra and another serpent is always a cobra, a child of a hawk and another avian is always a hawk." WELL BUT OBVIOUSLY
mircea_popescu: chick's ~30, has been eking out a miserable existence in suburban mass writing one of the shitty books a year. and working ass off on "social media".
mircea_popescu: what else are her options ? too old to be "looking to be black owned".
mircea_popescu: at least if she went to an office there'd be the remote possibility of getting some.
mircea_popescu: nah, some recent atrocity. a very insufferable woman lives a "civilised" life with her... mother, and postures a lot at work. her unwind is to sniff used rags in porn coinoperated booths.
mircea_popescu: the film is bad, as a film. but for people entirely unwarare of what curse women are upon themselves in isolation... a decent primer i guess.
mircea_popescu: but to make it short and sweet : if she were the sort of six-deviations talented woman that'd benefit from what you imagine is "not having to show up in an office", she'd pointedly not be writing the sort of crap.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: she isn't. she just hopes that 2007200820092020102011omgit'sbeenfiveyears!2012201320142015omfgwhere'sitallgone!2016 will be "the year of the hawk-cobra" or whatever the fuck. hey, it worked for that dumb broad, what's her name, that wrote those linkedin novels and sold them for 26 billion copies or what ? they even made a film about it, "whatsap!"
mircea_popescu: maybe in 2017 people finally wake up to the realisation of how perfectly genre fiction at ~150 pages in paperback and of her exact vintage would fill the holes in their souls!
mircea_popescu: (and for the ego - back in 2004 when i published asylum editor was like "isn't this a little short ?". apparently i was merely being pioneeric, the notion of "book" dropped half the pages past two decades, from 300something to 150ish.)
mircea_popescu: (oh and one for the collectors, hey asciilifeform did you actually get chet to sign your copy ? iirc she signed less than half dozen all told.)
Framedragger: suspect at least half of "startups" are like that
a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 14:52 mircea_popescu: but to make it short and sweet : if she were the sort of six-deviations talented woman that'd benefit from what you imagine is "not having to show up in an office", she'd pointedly not be writing the sort of crap.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform men. you ever heard of women escape any sort of incarceration, that wasn't the owner coming to get the bitches back ?
Framedragger: i don't know, i applaud her even what she writes is shit and even if her mind is shit, good for her, i think it's easy to sublimate jealousy that shit people can still function as "justified anger" or whatnot </armchair-mode>
mircea_popescu: Framedragger "cto" best part. nigga, you might be the first CORPORATE OFFICER / mexican illegal combo in history.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i applaud her too, which is why her scrawny ineffectual efforts get a link. nevertheless, it can't be said she's effectual. she isn't.
deedbot: asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
Framedragger: i wanted to say the same, and then run from asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: that's why real men code in c-fuss-fuss. F is for fast!
Framedragger: -[--->+<]>-------.-[--->+<]>.+++++.[---->+<]>+++.-[--->++<]>--.-------.--[--->+<]>---.--------------.-.++++++++++++.+++.-------------.--[--->+<]>-.+[->+++<]>++.+++++++++.+.++++++.++[->+++<]>++.+.----[->+++<]>.------------.[->+++<]>+.+++++++++++.------.[--->+<]>-.
Framedragger: look at dem loops, to set up ascii chars and then only work on offsets
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah yeah I'm moving it to a new box already
trinque: Framedragger: clojure is java wearing a lisp hairshirt
trinque: the box is slow because there's this astonishingly IO intensive shitty key-value store called bitcoin running on it :D
trinque: asciilifeform: isn't there an ionice or something
mircea_popescu: incidentalyl, someone bored enough should do a survey of nice on extant linux decayed forms. it'd be a pretty good way to diagnose the utter ruin of the ecosystem.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 12:57 PeterL: how to update to new key with deedbot?
trinque: PeterL: I've yet to implement $changekey so sign me a message proving ownership of both keys indicating which you want to use and I'll do it
phf: mircea_popescu: i grew up working on cars with my grandfather, was the main dacha activity, i figured what quality of car mechanic would people advertising food&loding on craigslist really need?
mircea_popescu: of course engines moved from carbureted to injected in the interval, but then again...
phf: i'll just work it out from first principles :D as long as they don't kick me out in horror in the first few hours, i'd be fine
phf: that's where being foreigner helps, you call that thing "johnson rod" in russian we call it бачок для тормозной жидкости
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, the argentines are THE WORST drivers. horribad. you know how latinos in the civilised world have a bad reputation ? well... im sure argentina is the reason for it. they signal ~1/3 of the time, you gotta guess they intend to turn or not - AND they have no conception of blinker fluid or any other way means or conceptual approach for the problem. it's just not fucking there. idjits.)
mircea_popescu: it is so bad traffic here is 90% due to the people being unable to merge. and they're unable to merge because a) they don't signal and b) they're the sort of idiots that don't signal. and yet...
mircea_popescu: nope, need has created to innovation to date. they'll sit and rot and think what they do is driving.
mircea_popescu: these people should be excommunicated from the planet just for the driving.
mircea_popescu: fucking crazed egyptians in cairo did a better job, and their idea of traffic lights was tooting the horn.
Framedragger: hey i remember cairo; ok so it's worth than cairo; lolol.
trinque: houstonians never signal lane changes, and they do them at 100mph and 3 at a time
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yeah. the difference being that while i wouldn't try to drive in cairo without getting a degree in it first, at least THEY manage to move things reasonably. here, i wouldn't drive unless i had an open license to kill and plentiful ammo, AND they have more traffic, fewer driven miles and more roads than anywhere in the world.
trinque: keeps you awake on the highway
mircea_popescu: trinque these people don't signal turning, forget lane change. at least on the highway there's some basis to guess on the basis of impulse and make. but in the city ?
Framedragger: i mean, i guess it's a system for catalysed darwinian selection?..
mircea_popescu: there is literally no way to know whether he goes straight or right until he does it. and they're so horrible they don't drive straight anyway. so...
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, ever been in traffic in Naples? quite curious what you'd make of it
mircea_popescu: diametric yeah, ok, it's about italian level of idiocy.
mircea_popescu: as most stupid shit in this country. or, come to think about it, ther world over.
mircea_popescu: to think the nazis allied with them and wanted to burn the fucking gypos.
mircea_popescu: i'd have gone the other way around. burn the italians.
diana_coman: and excellent cars in the North really - or at any rate they used to make
phf: asciilifeform:
https://github.com/wolfgangj/bone-lisp another one of them small lisps, already with a bunch of idiosyncratic decisions, but notable for using regions for memory management (and hence immutable).
mircea_popescu: diana_coman they also make excellent women in the south, but...
mircea_popescu: sigh. see, this is the problem with trying to be a mad dictator in a rational way. everyone spokes your wheels!
diana_coman: heh; truth be told men in the south were exactly like fat, ugly spiders: round, small, hairy and basically creeping around the corners at any given time
mircea_popescu: diametric you know that excellent mastroianni scene where the fatties eat up palermo ?
mircea_popescu: darn i keep highlighting poor diametric when i want to say diana_coman
phf: and here i thought diametric was somehow a particularly astute connoisseur of italian cinema
phf: asciilifeform: deallocates when you unroll frames, and i guess there are techniques to figure out how up the frame an object has moved from its allocation point
phf: i heard of technique in a context of Abuse video game, where all the objects that were allocated during calculations for a single screen frame would be abandoned on next frame, which makes sense in this one particular case. i think maybe Seaside had support for that per-request. i guess people came up with formal ways of doing it
phf: i'm not sure how different it is from lifetime analysis (i mean when done automatically), and i can imagine a bunch of ways in which objects will still leak into some kind of global reclamation area
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a111: Logged on 2016-02-18 16:46 asciilifeform has 2 lamps on his dial: 'oh noez, my coinz are worthless' and 'suxx, i'll never afford any moar'
phf: it's the ml crowd, they still manage to dazzle me with their trinkets. and then i think about it for 5 minutes and go "waitaminute"
Framedragger: ..sooo, ~21.1M ssh hosts with port 22 open in ipv4 space. i expected more, but a time will come for a re-scan, and i finally got around to 'streamlining' the process, and vc's idontcareaboutscans policy helped here, so re-scan will be a piece of cake.
Framedragger: this excludes most hetzner ip ranges because hetzner triggers a fuckload of abuse complaints. but i'll soon scan *only them* (which will anger them, and let the hate fiercely flow into /dev/null), which will a buncha hosts to that 21.1M i expect.
Framedragger: also, a bunch of /8 and /16s are empty. like 11.0.0.0/8 (used by whom? DoD of course) - these cunts
Framedragger: this info will be crystallized and presented in a clear manner, eventually, of course!
Framedragger: * 20.8M of 22-port-open ssh servers after deduplication
☟︎ trinque: "why does openbsd use CVS? CVS sucks!11!"
phf: asciilifeform: i was just about to work a bit on my de-poettterrring-ed gentoo laptop. did they break everything?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr gentoo was never much more than a derpy hipsterism in my book.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-13 18:21 Framedragger: * 20.8M of 22-port-open ssh servers after deduplication
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i'm pretty much convinced by now that what the ro crowds actually meant in 1989 by "wanting western democracy" was "we want italian tv"
diana_coman: lol, I don't think they actually had any idea what they wanted (or meant for that matter)
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mircea_popescu: btw, the dude that impregnated four "corrections officers" while in jail ? terrence white, at the time boss of "black guerilla family" which apparently is a sort of black crips/mob device
mircea_popescu: maybe he was really good with the gab. it's been known to happen.
mircea_popescu: anyway. vampirism and the interest thereof has traditionally been a gay outlet ; not peculiarly a race outlet. the race outlet (in the us, which is ~the only place that cares) has traditionally been "aliens", which are almost always niggers.
mircea_popescu: which is why they keep "stealing our wiminz", are all "half demon half child", and always run by a brood mother which sprouts indistinct babies without a father.
mircea_popescu: maybe 3 in a hundred hollywood movies about "Science fiction" are anything even vaguely out of the mold of thinly veiled nigger wank.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the observation that pearl harbour was just exactly as much a dog and pony show of "no one could have foreseen" as the 9/11 stuff is important.
mircea_popescu: and how ? for one thing, "usg" scarcely mattered at the time. for the other, thebrits denied the russians their ports.
mircea_popescu: lest the reader be confused, let it be pointed out that pre ww1, the united states carried about as much credit in europe (aka, the world) as argentina does today. hardly anyone gave a shit about them, and the us president visiting couldn't get a hotel room on credit.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the ww2 hostilities were a mutually ratcheting of various acts, i don't see the argument. if they sold to japan it would have been === selling to germany.
mircea_popescu: “The Chinese coolie is the ideal industrial machine, the perfect human ox. He will transform less food into more work, with less administrative friction, than any other creature...Also, they cost nothing but money.” << from what i understand this is getting fixed these days.
mircea_popescu: what is this, people sick of paying for retirement homes fantasizing ?
BingoBoingo: speaking of coolies mod6, asciilifeform et al: anyone ever use a hexbit drill chuck to make holes using an impact driver?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Satisfactory performance? Is drilling with impact driver better than driving with drill?
mircea_popescu: also don't use common dril bits on metal you'll fuck everything up. get special.
mircea_popescu: metal is ductile, unlike all other materials (wood, concrete, etc) which are friable.
BingoBoingo: Anyways chuck on old drill no longer retains bits and fucking retaining screw is stuck with loctite from the factory
BingoBoingo: Anyways hammer drill does forward pushing. Impact driver does torque and more torque.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I *had* a working drill. Can still have working drill If I want to gamble on sovent to beat this flavor of loctite without also disolving plastic.
BingoBoingo: Or I guess solving plastic is the bigger threat
BingoBoingo wishes someone would make a drill with a nice 2-cyle motor instead of this lithium ion bullshit.
BingoBoingo: That seems like a presumptuous suggestion without knowing what the hole is for...
mod6: <+BingoBoingo> speaking of coolies mod6, asciilifeform et al: anyone ever use a hexbit drill chuck to make holes using an impact driver? << not sure if I've ever done that specifically. done a lot of impact/air-ratchet wrench work on cars. tons of misc shit with drills.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> oh and mod6 - suppose i want to add the observation that really, the wallet functionality and the "caching transactions" functionality should be separated in bitcoin - there's no conceivable reason to store the latter in the former for instance. how would i go about adding this to the bitcoin tickets ? ask you ? do something myslef ? << you certainly can feel free to help me round out the t
mod6: rb ticket list -- just use add/edit/remove as needed.
mod6: If I were to do it, i might just add a note in ther ethat says "wallet functionality and ``caching transactions'' need to be perm. separated."
tb0t: Project: trb, ID: 30, Type: I, Subject: Investigate a new design for the Wallet, Antecedents: , Notes: An investigation must be conducted to create a specification for a reimplemented wallet. The outcome of this will drive ticket 29.
mod6: Probably would just tack it on the notes here. Sound ok?
mod6: and while I'm at it here... I have been considering schemes for doing longer notes. will keep working on that.
mod6: meanwhile, I've created a v-genesis.vpatch
mod6: and while using V, can use it to press out a new V. that part is happy enough. but there is a new feature that needs to be implemented for V: The ability to have separate projects.
mod6: and since now we have; trb, t, v, ... and many others probably forthcoming, one should need to specify what they want to pull down locally.
☟︎ mod6: so it would be something like: /v/, /trb/, /t/, /gossipd/ or whatever.
mod6: I haven't started work in that direction yet, just wanted to bring it up.
mod6: What does this mean for us: It means that I need to implement the ability to grab named projects from the mirror. This will require a new version of V (99994), updating documentation et. al.
mod6: Which also means, it almost makes no sense to even publish the v-genesis.vpatch that I currently have as it is no use to anyone if they can't grab a canonical version from the mirror. All they'd be able to do is get it from the mailing list, with the seal, and drop it into their local working directory as one would expect.
☟︎☟︎ mod6: Which would be fine, but seems like I should just wait until after 99994, then one can grab V, and use V to do V things. It's a mind bender. :]
mircea_popescu: mod6 sounds ok. i'm just trying to figure out how to best employ your power wrench is all :)
mircea_popescu: ideally : items should live in a dir = the genesis hash.
mircea_popescu: none of this "trb". just make a dir like /7ad78d387187350 or w/e
mod6: ok. i kinda like that.
mircea_popescu: ~that~ is the only correct representation of what's in there anyway
mod6: yeah, i might need to alias as 7ad78d38... might get unwieldy for users.
mod6: but sure, makes some sense.
mod6: yeah, i'll have to work out something with that. i think on the server side, the hash value as dir name is a nice touch
mod6: cause that's really what we care about.
tb0t: Ticket Type Codes: C => CHANGE | D => DEFECT | F => FEATURE | I => INVESTIGATE | R => REFERENCE | S => SAGA | T => TASK | X => DOCUMENT
mod6: %a v S "Release V 99994" "Publish new version of V [99994]."
mod6: %a v X "Update V Documentation" "Update V documentation for 99994 release."
mod6: %a v T "Update Tests" "Update V cucumber tests for 99994 with specific testing around separate projects."
mod6: %a v T "Update V" "Implement ability for V to pull separate projects from the mirror based on hash (or possible alias)."
mod6: %a v T "Publish V-Genesis" "Publish V-Genesis post 99994 release." 1