ben_vulpes: also on an ancient thread, horses are allowed on many oregon roads and highways, because this place was barely a place before the sixties. there are a pile of questions in the drivers exam here regarding how to behave around horses, even.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Time since last block: 10 minutes and 53 seconds
mircea_popescu: is this socially acceptable now, pre-menopausal woman, no bar no buttlifts no nothing ?
mod6: i liked the pumpkin heads
mod6: they s/buttlifts/netflix/
mod6: i love some of the dirty looks i get when checking out these pics on the train.
mircea_popescu: "if this bitch starts reading poetry i'm shooting her"
mircea_popescu: dude, that's not chix. there's sexual nudity and there's medical nudity.
mircea_popescu: let the dumb bitch work her ass off three seasons first, what the everloving is this "anything is acceptable" bs.
mod6: with asbestos gloves tho rite?
mod6: i like how the dude was like 'hey, these were training keys'
shinohai: Still avoiding the question of what those "training keyz" were generated on.
mod6: congrats to the winners of the joke contest
mircea_popescu: looked more like a housemade flamethrower at first sight
mod6: pete_dushenski: hey, glad you got a prize, I did like the yugo joke.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude no wai that's an ACTUAL tec-9. too fucking banged up
mod6: Oh, maybe it wsa for the sax joke. Didn't see that.
mod6: mainly because of rap iirc.
mircea_popescu: yeah. mostly cuz it looks like someone's garage-made flamethrower.
mod6: yeah, if those were envogue in the early 90s, the cheap aks were by the end of the 90s for sure.
mircea_popescu: i half expected it's a converted camping butane burner
mircea_popescu: incidentally alf : why don't ANY of these fucking idiots doing "mass shootings" like EVER read a fucking training manual, figure out they're supposed to carry ft not ap small arms ?
mircea_popescu: it'd even suit their inability to aim something fierce.
mircea_popescu: (in ww2, the worst marksman always got the flamethrower. worst job, shit's heavy, you gotta get close etc)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform propane my foot. plasticated gasoline mix what is this.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> (in ww2, the worst marksman always got the flamethrower. worst job, shit's heavy, you gotta get close etc) << oh no doubt. that's a rough job. like having a damn bomb on your back. next as bad is probably the radio guy.
mod6: (radio guy has antenne sticking up, easy target.)
mircea_popescu: iirc radio guy was favoritism spot, because you get to go into bunker / safer position / next to co
mod6: well, prolly each squad/platoon has one in the forward position, relaying stuff back to other radio guy next to co in bunker. but, ya.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i dunno that as late as vietnam they had that many forwards like that. generally even the artillery reporters were small squad with co machine gun 3-4 rifles etc
mircea_popescu: (most of vietnam cinematic footage is one of these artillery reporter squads. works well for the needs of the camera.)
mod6: <+asciilifeform> dunno re elsewhere, but in su army it was a mixed bag, co was expected to shoot radioman if the latter is at risk of capture (e.g., injured & down) << did the su radio guys have all the otp's for the day there with him or what not?
mircea_popescu: truth be told the anglos had this "crypto dun werk" outlook throughout.
mod6: i gotta dig this up
mod6: so the 'morse fist' was a guys ability to send error free and 'style' of the transmission of the message
mircea_popescu: mod6 you know how morse goes, every op has specific timings.
deedbot: Test voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: mircea_popescu: yah, that makes sense.
mircea_popescu: that strange feeling when bing returns trilema for img search for "check your privilege shitlord".
mircea_popescu: i even get hits from excite, but i figure that's gotta be a joke.
mod6: ah yes. i recall these.
mod6: i heard nz got hit hard again yesterday
mod6: ah, earthquake in nz ~ yesterday
mod6: people were talkin about it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the money shot is : "dracut is ALSO vulnerable, like initramfs is". because no, none of this is accidental, not anymore than castrated hipster's support for hillary is accidental.
mircea_popescu: the key point however, is that it's also not "directed", so to speak.
mircea_popescu: they're not dumb because the evil witch of the west tells them to, and when she dies they'll all wake up from dumb like from a spell.
mircea_popescu: no, they are dumb because they are dumb, like iron is ductile because it is ductile ; any possible identified witches are scapegoats
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry ; chief ~strategist~. priebus will be chief of staff fwtw.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, nigel farage is utterly furios that notwithstanding he's the only brit with a trump pass, nevertheless may & friends won't come kiss his pinky ring.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's so funny how much can change in a mere coupla decades. from clinton's "boy, i wish i could say the same" to obama's "i solemnly promise & swear trump won't be elected".
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> dafuq sort of name is 'priebus' << Lizard!
deedbot: vvande voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: you can talk to deedbot in pm too, vvande
deedbot: C2F3ACF258CE9D436FCD93995F7496EC4F0FF004 registered as vvande.
vvande: OK, that seemed to work. :)
mircea_popescu: in other news, as trump prepares to repeal obamawarming, the libertard senate seems set to repeal godwin's law.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun get it, some people somewhere protest... music ?
ben_vulpes is pleased that coors is now the republican "murkka beer"
ben_vulpes: well it's /fermented/ on the downstream side
ben_vulpes: but no, "coors" is the pisswater, "murkka" is the place.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Would not be surprised at all. These things find a way.
BingoBoingo: Just like night train/thunderbird/et al. They are a societally necessary sort of thing.
deedbot: the_scourge voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: the_scourge: What did you get pinched for?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone bothered to gather all these factored ssh keys, reconstruct their privkeys, and then try connect to the whole internet using it ?
mircea_popescu: yes, obviously, you can now mitm whoever tries to connect to compromised box. HOWEVER there's no rule that someone coouldn't have made one of these boxes admins on other boxes.
mircea_popescu: could be ? my dear alf, i'm willing to bet there is, on the strength of experience to date.
Framedragger: can you even use an ssh server key as ssh client key (and yes i agree if it's easy to do, someone will have done it)
mircea_popescu: ie, generate key on server, have it spit out the priv/pub pair, register it into another server, done.
Framedragger: i mean in practical terms, of course, theoretically, but as in, would a canonical ssh agent eat it up
mircea_popescu has this morning looked into cpanel, it would seem you can do this trivally.
Framedragger: well for one ssh client keys normally have an email/ID associated with them, not sure if ssh agent would like an ssh server key. in theory, yes, sure
mircea_popescu: Framedragger 1. open cpanel session 2. generate ssh key 3. export it 4. import it into another. see a connect to b.
mircea_popescu: now, whether anyone has actually done this who's also in our set is of course dubious
mircea_popescu: but i'm thinking maybe it went from "crack rsa" to "phuctor" level of dubiousness.
mircea_popescu: i think people generally misunderstand just how fucking abundant insanity is
mircea_popescu: it wasn't some sort of grand "oh we shall pwn boxen" as such.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-15 02:09 asciilifeform: 'The attacker just have to press and keep pressing the [Enter] key at the LUKS password prompt until a shell appears, which occurs after 70 seconds approx.'
jurov: mircea_popescu: to actually connect, client keys must be cracked. asciilifeform: when can i expect the hopper to free for these?
jurov: i have the github pubkeys
mircea_popescu: o, those are still waiting ? i thought they were in already for some reason.
mircea_popescu: somehow i was under the impression we're just about running out
mircea_popescu: and so then what, jurov 's set is gonna add another what... two years ? more ?
jurov: iirc 10millions. they're still in e,N,comment CSV
mircea_popescu: there's worse fates than a 2year phuctor fuel supply. (i guess.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you ever get a copy of jurov's keys though ?
Framedragger: jurov: i have a trivial python script based on your openpgp-generator to convert arbitrary numbers of e,N,comment into pgp if interested (but you prolly have something of the same - just in case)
jurov: Should have converted them to gpg, as Framedragger did.
Framedragger: ah yeah i recall. i think my only modification is that it handles bulk amounts, but really nothing special
Framedragger: also, i may want to re-run the base ipv4 ssh server finder at some point, i'm sure i'll get some more keys :p
jurov: yea, they usually don't survive reinstalls
Framedragger: (vc's cockbox vps don't care about no abuse complaintz.)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: as in, scan additional ports, you mean?
Framedragger: or banner-grabber? i have all the banners still. (and no i haven't done anything with them, yet)
Framedragger: aha, the way it'd work, it'd still scan only port 22 initially, because grabbing banners / doing stateful communication is much slower. doing the former is a matter of TCP SYN/ACK, with embedded 'cookies', no need for state
Framedragger: but the 2nd ssh-key-extractor stage can do the stuff you want, yes.
Framedragger: aha yes, ssl certs should go into the oven, too.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i have this idea of doing focused not-for-coal-mines work this summer (some time after May) lol. so maybe even 2017!!1
mircea_popescu: except a) they didn't and b) we did and c) they published nothing and d) we published both ips and factors ?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the idea being that we're overflowing data to process, after your set ends up in spring jurov's goes in and may take a year+
mircea_popescu: you should see the level this kabuki has achieved. they actually post multiple imagemagick generated jpegs. which are "proof"
Framedragger: could it be that half of them are bots, mircea_popescu? can't imagine them being able to use imagemagick for the life of me
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i expect they have a fully scripted environment cobbled together out of visual basic,
httpfox and what have you
Framedragger: well, good for the skriptkiddies then. a spammy-scripty strategy is a strategy nonetheless.
Framedragger: except for the whole "wasting time of actual people" side of things..
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the problem they face is that as they cannibalized language itself they're now stuck in a very lost world without any possibility of out of band
mircea_popescu: the ancient cobbler apprentice who did a bad job had two out of band systems, his master's crop and his master's words, to shake him out of biological amoebasty.
mircea_popescu: but these kids, who cobble not sandals but the very words... they're stuck in monoband world. and i honestly see no possible solution.
Framedragger: i see what you mean. now it's a closed bubble/system for them, sort of...
mircea_popescu: anyway. i don't think they wasted my time nor do i think myself the victim. fact is i can turn them into value if i so decide, much like the beekeeper can make candles and honeycomb if he wants. and if i don't want - i just don't make a fiverr account. not like they can do anything whatsoever, they can't even elect hillary.
mircea_popescu: but they concerned with the proposition of alf the bee-dog's bees, ie these things... they've a serious problem.
mircea_popescu: well, you can kill them elaborately for the public amusement...
mircea_popescu: Framedragger re automation angle - i dunno, i suppose varying amounts of elbow grease could be employed, entirely as a mechanical gearbox, in lieu of actual automation. just it doesn't fit in my head - the same people who wouldn't read ten words would then go through the motions, orders of magnitude more complex, of making screenshots etc ?
mircea_popescu: not that it's out and out impossible, after all the bee will do what it knows in preference of all otehr deeds.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "quitting" is how they'd like it to be called.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger if that blurring is not imagemagick'd in place, then how was it obtained ? that sorta thing.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah, i guess can't be certain. doesn't really fit for sure..
mircea_popescu: not, on the other hand, to deny that there in fact exists this subculture dedicated to the screenshot as quotation mechanism, or that tech support teams regularly see terrabytes of crap each month, clogging the tubes for no conceivable reason. it has to do with a failure of literacy, a certain laziness of the mind that thinks in symbols (which is what the screenshot is).as newman put it, "to see things as they are, to go righ
mircea_popescu: t to the point, to disentangle a skein of thought, to detect what is sophistical, and to discard what is irrelevant."
mircea_popescu: but javascript is specifically dedicated to doing dumb shit like "i'll pretend to be you - and fill the clipboard"
mircea_popescu: well, in fairness the back button thing is because browsers are shit more than anything. there's a thousand ways to break it, including by introducing an expiring page in the stack etc.
mircea_popescu: ie, the back button itself is promisetronic as implemented by browsers. "almost like lisp!"
mircea_popescu: to get back to the pguctor feeding briefly - you mean "one at a time" as in insert into whatever values () as opposed to insert into whatever values (),(),() ?
mircea_popescu: i think some magic could be had where you put all the new items into a new table then merge the two tables where hashes don't match.
mircea_popescu: what happened to "you're not willing to follow the rules, you can't take public office" ?
mircea_popescu: "It hurt me inside knowing somebody from outside our race is talking bad about us," said Rodriguez, carrying a sign reading, "Brown and Proud."
mircea_popescu: kinda the point of the whole "special" bullshit. everything the anal child does is directed towards the same protection of his childhood, and in this particular case - if he's special enough then you can't "say bad things" because are outside ; and if you're not outside he'll just... specialize more.
pete_dushenski: like whole #rapemelania thing, libertards are now outting themselves as the biggest racists/sexists/bigots around, post-trump
mircea_popescu: o hey, apparently twitter DOESN'T have you know, guidelines etc anymore.
pete_dushenski: gotta appeal to any and all possible suitors now that it's turning tricks on the corner for dimes. go jack!
mircea_popescu: lol chris rock dun give a shit, he's promoting some new movie and big titty tuesday
pete_dushenski: he was kicked out / sold out when twitter was nearing peak valuation then brought back to 'save' co. meanwhile he shoulda stayed on the beach sipping margaritas because he failed miserably to 'pull a steve'
BingoBoingo: Sure but they are porlly paying him with Inequity!
mircea_popescu: eh. maybe they're paying him in fresh tail. so he made up some scam, sold it to some suckers for $$$, then they want him to come back and be worshipped by all the interns ? sure, why not.
mircea_popescu: maybe some of 'em want to go away for a weekend, you don't know till you ask amirite.
BingoBoingo: Nah, it's Inequity. See Jack, he is in Tweaven and you are banned.
pete_dushenski: "At Twitter, he didn't collect a salary or stock options last year and only received personal and residential security costs totaling $68,506." << dorsey's 2015 figures
BingoBoingo: Well, as Elliot pointed out Tail is also an Inequity
Framedragger:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161115/#349 << ohmygerd how i hate this shit. it ends with "to quote text in screenshot of screenshot, i'll make a screenshot". tumblr at least retains/-ed the concept of a "quote as a block of text". wouldn't be surprised if not for long.
scriba: Logged on 2016-11-15: [17:08:07] <mircea_popescu> not, on the other hand, to deny that there in fact exists this subculture dedicated to the screenshot as quotation mechanism, or that tech support teams regularly see terrabytes of crap each month, clogging the tubes for no conceivable reason. it has to do with a failure of literacy, a certain laziness of the mind that thinks in symbols (which is
scriba: what the screenshot is).as newman put it, "to see things as they are, to go righ
Framedragger: (and no, the irony of linking to pdf which talks about stupid frontend formats is not lost on me... :( )
Framedragger: (in fairness, the html sometimes mangles two words together, omitting a space, or somesuch. not many words are lost. but still, shame.)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: do note that mircea_popescu's idea of keeping dns is more akin to a general WoT-enforced hashtable, update-able via (in principle) gossipd-compatible pgprams, and (for the time being) transportable over dns/udp. the latter so that dns clients can make use of it.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: which is, i think, not a complete retreat, so to speak
Framedragger: asciilifeform: "it was interesting learning experience in that i never understood how ~motherfucking reliable~ an ordinary keyboard must be before it feels usable." very interesting! nice project. (ppm == pixels per meter?)
Framedragger: right, both precision and accuracy required (any error rate cripples the UX, etc.)
Framedragger:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161115/#440 << sure, i guess. (note though that this effort would get rid of dns server code, though. and it does not obstruct one from later patching dns client code / rewriting a much more simplistic name query client.)
scriba: Logged on 2016-11-15: [18:22:14] <asciilifeform> Framedragger: it is retreat in that it keeps 10,000,001 lines of C written by teenagers
Framedragger: re. plaintext for all NSAs to read, sure, there's that. goes against gossipd's "no free bits for the unauthenticated" i guess. but again, this can be wrapped in gossipd later.
trinque: describe "wrapped in gossipd" ?
trinque: one central table of all things seems entirely anti-gossipd
☟︎ Framedragger: trinque: not that part. the transport part - name query/response, as well as name updates.
trinque: Framedragger: name of what
Framedragger: trinque: but yes, the central table thing remains
Framedragger: trinque: i meant as a generic string - trying to avoid the term 'domain' as the latter is not accurate..
trinque: I call that guy "shithead" and you call him "sir"
Framedragger: trinque: right, this is cf. gossipd's "everyone has their own a la hosts file, and does with it what they like". is that what you meant?
trinque is not opposed to doing something with DNS while we still must use it
☟︎ trinque: just that it does *not* map sanely to gossiptronics
a111: Logged on 2016-11-15 18:19 asciilifeform: which is why i'm not terribly thrilled with strategic retreats like 'let's keep dns but with our root' etc.
Framedragger: i don't have a strong opinion, i wonder what mircea_popescu thinks. i guess the answer would also focus on the "while we still must use it" aspect
trinque: sure, we have websites neh?
Framedragger: so, yeah. and i'm no longer convinced it would redundant, in the sense that when gossipd cometh, one must throweth the 'general name system' away
Framedragger: there could be WoT members maintaining their own namespaces that others may want to peruse, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform keeps my foot. what the hell does it keep ?
mircea_popescu: go find one line of code currently involved in dns in any capacity that you can prove is going to remain there.
mircea_popescu: that's the whole discussion re "delgation" in the comments.
trinque: it's kinda "I will not take this land until it is flying my flag already"
mircea_popescu: there's no discussion re any of that. who said "unauthenticable" ?
Framedragger: personally i don't see why there could not be a GNS which would be separate from commitments to specific transport standards. have a table, have a transport layer, swap the layer later. i may be naive in regards to the "swap" step, i guess... :/
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1567823 << every system you ever use will have a dictionary ; and every system you ever used in the past had a dictionary. this is unavoidable. you prefer one over another, dictionaries, systems, that's your problem. but if you read the linked rfc - there's parts they get right, right before the parts they fuck up that i underlined in red.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-11-15 18:35 trinque: one central table of all things seems entirely anti-gossipd
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i thought so too, but basically mircea_popescu's idea would dispatch of the whole 'dns zone' concept. there would be no 'domain' per se. dns clients could still query 'loper-os', but the server would be a simple table, with no understanding of zones or significance of "."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fact that you can query dns server over current dns protocol and get current response does NOT create an obligation on your to do so.
mircea_popescu: feel free to query it over gossipd, or over whatever else.
trinque: I would expect that if I am on gossipnet and I want loper-os, I ask my friends if they have a key which they call loper-os
mircea_popescu: if there's nowhere to lookup the "(" how will you have a lisp ? because "we all know" ? and if we don't know how do we find out ?
mircea_popescu: out of band dns-over-phone is not an improvement. over anything.
mircea_popescu: trinque and if you want to know what deedbot contains, also ask friends ?
mircea_popescu: you ask your friends what they think ; not what the world is.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: how about: make a proof of concept name system, use it instead of current dns root server set for now, later enable every gossipd user to run their own instance of name system if they prefer the fully-decentralized-dictionary path; the initial PoC will still have been useful.
scriba: Logged on 2016-11-15: [18:34:31] <asciilifeform> when you make use of something, successfully, you inevitably come to rely on it. this is a cost. i am still paying the cost for having used a python library in 2013.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "mostly" ie, "until mp requires a definition, then it all breaks down"
trinque: mircea_popescu: no. once I know a key I can interact with deedbot if I can make it there over gossipd peerings
mircea_popescu: "trilema.com is 4.5.6.7 according to mp. if you believe mp - then there you go". that's a dns record.
mircea_popescu: even now. they try to pretend otherwise. that pretense has to have some light shed on it.
mircea_popescu: you will have to share some portions of the symbol tables.
mircea_popescu: we call this "dns" for historical reasons. but relations to the imperial braindamaged implementation are spurious.
mircea_popescu: you can't standardize "the asking" ebcause the asking is made out of symbols which have to be meaningful.
mircea_popescu: really, read this rfc thing. it isn't long. where the fuck is it.
trinque: it is not necessarily that there cannot be multiple tables, but perhaps that one must win
trinque: republican structure of meaning means there is this nexus of hierarchy and debate out of which is emitted *the truth*
mircea_popescu: trinque the words you use must have meanings. even if they have the most peculiar of meanings such as nigger = bureaucrat or jew = us agitprop agent ; nevertheless they must be given. somewhere.
Framedragger: "A0 can be implemented by regarding an authority's PGP public key as being its public routing address!" << nice kademlia and/or gossipd vibes
trinque: mircea_popescu: aha I can see it.
mircea_popescu: yes, it works fine in context, yes context frames needn't even map to identities ; nevertheless - you will have to have shared symbol tables.
trinque: so then the solution must come of "we who matter have connected to node X for the table" and could do otherwise, but don't
mircea_popescu: the fact that my definitions of imperial terminology prevail over the empire's own definition has nothing to do with the fact that before such a prevailing can take place, those definitions must actually exist and be given.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's rather true. real vs conventional hierarchy. there's these girls who are slaves ; and then there's these poor but ambitious girls who wish to be slaves. all that pretense jazz.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-15 18:37 trinque is not opposed to doing something with DNS while we still must use it
mircea_popescu: that's not how it works. i got this local key-data store ; the box can't even connect via dns port.
mircea_popescu: and while it pretends otherwise, it has nfi what . means and would just as happily resolve "illegal" domaions.
Framedragger: "nexus of hierarchy" connects for me (maybe on some superficial level only) to kyristor's "The only questions A0 is qualified to answer are those for which disputes can be settled entirely through majority vote of the entire DHT network" - where the dht network
Framedragger: could be a set of particular (and particular only) peers. in any case, there must be a shared understanding among the users/elite as to how to proceed in face of naming conflicts.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would any of this matter ? in a discussion of "that guy" we may either load the table where he is written "shithead" or "sir", but in either case we gotta load a table for crying out loud.
mircea_popescu: to get back to the fidonet/various attempts to do independent dns etc - the very naive "symbol context" = X, be x "an identity" or whatever is a liability. you gotta just let the context be its own thing.
Framedragger: i still have a reserved name ('indra', as in reflexive "indra's net" / indrajāla) for my mega decentralized permanent content concept, baked when i was maybe 18 yo lol. in fairness, "indra's net" is a l33t name that i hope i will use some time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would say the gns as discussed on trilema drastically reduces it.
mircea_popescu: (note that for the needs of this discussion - i know because grandfather told me is a nec plus ultram of buluceala. it's how people know the earth is flat.)
mircea_popescu: there's exactly nothing wrong for pepsicola and his friends to discuss pepsicola by "coke.com" in their own context, and CERTAINLY coca-cola doesn't have nor can aquire some mechanism to prevent his.
mircea_popescu: if tomorrow i wanna call barack obama hussein bahamas, i'll call him that and he can cry me a river over it.
mircea_popescu: similarly fatties, gender-confuzeleds and any other special or specifiable interest group.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform alternatively they could you know, just not credit THAT root and be done with it.
mircea_popescu: i for instance don't credit the english-online-dictionaries opinions as to the meaning of english words.
mircea_popescu: life hasn't ended, the sun still rises, trilema clearly benefits.
mircea_popescu: for the same reason "pua" is a horrible dating strategy.
mircea_popescu: it's not deliberate in any useful sense, because some outcomes are not deliberable.
mircea_popescu: (yes you can rape the woman instead, which is in this sense deliberate, but i daresay not the same thing)
mircea_popescu: and who said they get to be margraves in the first place ?
Framedragger: so the notion of a local symbol frame/context will be retained inevitably, is that what you're saying mircea_popescu? (in which case i'd add that gns-the-implementation could even probably be used - on each interested user's machine - as a local name system. etc.)
Framedragger: however, an agreed-by-everyone-who-matters symbol context would still be needed. (sorry if interrupting, trying to clarify for my own education.)
mircea_popescu: everyone-who-matters is a nonsensical reference point here.
mircea_popescu: everyone-who-participates-in-this-conversation is the reference point. evidently, if we are talking about uh i dunno, star trek, the names have to be known and shared. spock can't be the woman with the nice ass. how does one join this conversation ? there's two options - either the usian school of "don't loo kit up - guess, fropm "context", what "it could be" or else - look it up damned it. to look it up, it has to be looked
mircea_popescu: the imperial idiots implemented this as dns, which is stupid and braindamaged, but the implementation being flawed doesn't remove the fundamental reasons, which is why i say - read that damned rfc, the things i didn't mock are actually correct.
Framedragger: right. how would the process of resolving conflicts in gns look like, though? (i'm just curious, i.e. question is well-intentioned, not troll-y)
mircea_popescu: and from thence it all progresses - no, the place to look up needn't be "one across all the internet", because "otherwise postel thinks it'd be chaos".
mircea_popescu: what postel thinks'd be chaos, much like what jwz thinks'd be chaos, much like clinton or whoever other of these niggers and jews thinks to be "chnaos" is actually human life.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i guess in your view, perhaps no viable conflicts would arise in gns? say, two owners of two distinct pgp keys claiming ownership of "apple.com". some kind of due process is to take place, presumably
mircea_popescu: no dude, when apple.com was registgered it was registered to a key.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima go to buy chocolate and do things, so bbl we can continue.,
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i (or someone more credible, or whoever) registers "trilema.com" under their own leigt key. what nao?
Framedragger: unless the latter kind of situation is to be covered by your clarification, to quote, "I imagine like any serious country, we first handle the claims of the elite privately. "
☟︎☟︎ Framedragger: but then already it is not as simplistic as "whoever owns the key", no?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-13 17:38 mircea_popescu: Framedragger note that i don't particularly see the value in restrictioning anything. in principle anyone should be able to register a domain for his bitcent - even if he puts no gpg key in there. he just won't be able to admin it, big whoop./
scriba: Logged on 2016-11-15: [19:26:43] <mircea_popescu> no dude, when apple.com was registgered it was registered to a key.
pete_dushenski: mod6: cheers :D pretty stoked to be one of the contest winrars, though /me also wonders whether saxes or yugos caught BingoBoing's fancy.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-15 19:30 Framedragger: unless the latter kind of situation is to be covered by your clarification, to quote, "I imagine like any serious country, we first handle the claims of the elite privately. "
a111: Logged on 2016-10-21 00:48 mircea_popescu: experience shows it's perfectly fine to have a philosopher king, however utterly suicidal to have a philosopher king's throne. bolt is fine, nut will kill you.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The one that didn't suck got the prize so no saxes.
BingoBoingo: In every case of multiple submissions attached to the same btc address there was a joke that was great and a lesser joke.
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: re: the "ownership" of trilema, i'd like to know who you suspect would even try to register trilema.com
ben_vulpes: good lols, yes, but the identity attached to the registration action is going to have some splainin to do
ben_vulpes: otherwise what's wrong with first-come first served?
mats: no shortage of trolls in here
trinque: ben_vulpes: there's one important distinction here. the gns has a WoT identity running it.
trinque: who needs blanket policy when he's free to choose and I'm free to negrate him?
☟︎ trinque: he issues trilema to mp because mp will thump him otherwise
trinque: and if he's unfair to elliot, grand.
ben_vulpes: i for one think that names should be mined.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-21 00:28 ben_vulpes: the infinite to bitcoin's finite, if you will.