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Framedragger: ^ yeah that'd be it: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1485249☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-19 21:52 Framedragger: asciilifeform: i've accidentally (== i fucked up) imported one mutilated key to phuctor. this key in particular http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE6E84ED0485E5C4615D47E7BF518A35F1A8DE60C6DFBBF1F60B1911839726CE - guess it can't hurt if it's there, but if/when phuctor reports broken key (that particular exponent is not prime), it's gonna be due to me being retarded and not the key..
jurov: you meant modulus not prime?
jurov: openssh uses exponent like 35 left and right
mircea_popescu: ohohohoh!
mircea_popescu: Framedragger win.
mircea_popescu: oh. i thought sha ball was going in
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah this is only a test. i'll send alf the whole openpgp-wrapped bundle once that's done processing. the above is just a test, and it's a false positive
mircea_popescu: aite.
Framedragger: jurov: no i meant exponent in this case actually, the actual exponent for that key was supposed to be 65537
Framedragger: jurov: but that key is borked due to my hasty scripting, so makes sense that the parsed modulus is not prime, either
jurov: i trial divided whole set by 10000primes.txt, recommend very much to find problems
Framedragger: nice.
jurov: no need even to optimize, a ~ hour/gigabyte in plain python
jurov: pypy helped, tho
ben_vulpes: in entirely unrelated /america no es un pais pobre/ news, i have an address outside of portland for the first time in nearly two decades
asciilifeform: wat
trinque: ben_vulpes: congrats!
asciilifeform: how many houses has ben_vulpes now ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1485183 << trinque what happened here ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-19 17:58 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 627 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Paul Tagliamonte <tag@pault.ag>; Paul Tagliamonte <tag@anized.org>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@mit.edu>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@gmail.com>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@whube.com>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@ubuntu.com>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@fluxbox.org>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@opensource.org>; Paul Ta
asciilifeform: ^ flipolade incidentally. snore.
asciilifeform: though now we learn that cosmic rays are attracted to debian and popular windowmanager devs.
asciilifeform: the sheer variety of nyoooo factz we learned about photons really having charge after all !111111111
ben_vulpes: photon charge, that's rich
ben_vulpes: house count is family secret
asciilifeform: well at any rate, turns out they're steerable in free space.
asciilifeform: somehow.
ben_vulpes: though very much like your btc count
ben_vulpes: "omg none go away"
asciilifeform: congrats on building bunker ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: dun forget the wagner.
asciilifeform: (important component)
ben_vulpes: ty and trinque. notquite bunker, but not mass-produced foamed petro product either, which is quite a score.
ben_vulpes: i find the uneven floor charming.
asciilifeform: lol i have this right here.
asciilifeform: 'unsealed wood'
ben_vulpes: and the gaps in the fence an entertaining project opportunity.
ben_vulpes: but hey the walls are actually hand-done plaster, and the door arches as well.
asciilifeform: buy that hammer drill.
asciilifeform: (or did last owner wire it already)
ben_vulpes: no, 'tis wired. although the breaker labeled 'dryer' does not in fact shut off the dryer's 220.
ben_vulpes: ask me how i know.
asciilifeform: i meant cat6
ben_vulpes: ano.
ben_vulpes: america es un pais pobre! internet will come from 'xfinity wifi', eg some other sucker who paid comcast to have one of their repeaters in his house.
asciilifeform: l0l, and food - from same neighbour's dumpster ?
ben_vulpes: i don't even know where the servers are going to go yet.
ben_vulpes: much less the least inane place to pierce the building envelope.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i typically reuse the landline opening.
ben_vulpes: i did that for a while, when moving frequently. its not really that much of a hassle to get it put in wherever, and to insulate the offense to the skin myself.
asciilifeform: depends what the wall is made of.
ben_vulpes: plus then i don't have to deal with running cat5 through living spaces, because in this povery-stricken part of the world everyone wants their data pipes in the room where children should be playing for some reason
asciilifeform: where i live, telco will drop the fiber and that's it, any extra plumbing is yours to sweat
ben_vulpes: 'fiber'
ben_vulpes: nothere.coveredwagon
ben_vulpes: 'you have died of dysentery'
asciilifeform: 'you have died of death'
ben_vulpes: also good
ben_vulpes: doctor + bullets, always a fun time.
ben_vulpes: anyways, cable company, monopolists of net in my area, deploy 'independent contractors', entirely happy to drill holes through whateverthefuck.
asciilifeform: first nice thing i ever heard about crapcast
asciilifeform: though, many years ago when i used it, they actually neglected to bill me for almost 2 years.
asciilifeform: (yes the modem worked.)
ben_vulpes: why would one expect 'nice' of company whose revenue is biodieseling couch potatoes?
ben_vulpes: their 'business' packages are similarly utter scamolade.
ben_vulpes: with epic contracts and such shitty delivery terms /one must actually do ones own qos over lte or something retarded/
ben_vulpes: there's an entire small industry in the pacnw around internet uptime to arbitrary shitty buildings
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479673 << quite a bit☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 23:04 mircea_popescu: does this make sense to anyone outside of yours truly ? asciilifeform ? davout ? jurov ? phf ? trinque ?
phf: i like comcast. it's the people's republic of america people's internet, it works, unless it doesn't, in which case go to competition lol
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> buy that hammer drill. << Actually everyone prolly ought to get their power tools before China cuts USia off.
phf: don't worry, u.s. knows how to make drills too http://www.ebay.com/itm/131849335008
BingoBoingo: lol, but does it do masonry?
phf: only if you have a properly sized negro
BingoBoingo: Will have to remember that.
deedbot: [Qntra] Gotomypc.com Goes To Other Peoples PC's Too! - http://qntra.net/2016/06/gotomypc-com-goes-to-other-peoples-pcs-too/
phf: actually i used an equivalent drill for years growing up http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yankee-Div-of-Stanley-Tools-No-2101A-8-inch-Brace-Drill-RATCHETING-Bell-Syst-/142029809022
BingoBoingo: Anyways apparently high end cordless tools are actually useful now since Techtronic of Hong Kong apparently OEM's for all the brands it hasn't bough and actually introduced *gasp* BRUSHLESS motors.
BingoBoingo: phf: The push down ratcheting screwdrivers by yankee/stanley are pretty cool, but also discontinued since forever ago.
phf: i also had one of these guys http://goodlinez.ru/userfiles/85.jpg
BingoBoingo: The way it works is instead of weird wrist twisting motion screwdriver allows more familiar jack off pumping motion.
phf: http://refite.ru/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/drel-mekhanicheskaya-ruchnaya.jpg << identical item
BingoBoingo: Aha those drills look like they can take hammer to make hammer drill
phf: i'm pretty sure i've done that, at least to prime the spot. also as a child that's kind of a natural inclination
BingoBoingo: Seems like one of those intuitive things that comes to functioning people
phf: oh man, i forgot about this thing. i'm pretty sure it was my first exposure to a mechanical object that i used extensively and had to take care of
BingoBoingo: Mine was whittling knife
phf: you had to take that little cover off to put oil in, otherwise it'd run not as smooth, so you kind of learn when to oil it. then periodically you had to clean it fully, because mostly wood, metal and oil would get inside make soup
phf: i have this etched really close up image of drill head in my head that i couldn't quite place until i realized just now that it's that very drill
phf: "boy's first drill" :D
phf: oh nice, i've not picked up that skill until quite recently, maybe a year ago i bought a whittling knife before a trip to alaska and i've been kind of doodling with it since
BingoBoingo: Was a boy scout so rite of passage. Was carbon steel so also required oiling.
BingoBoingo: A few months ago got my first cordless drill. Went with "Ryobi Starter Drill" so the battery would work with reciprocating saw I wanted which comes without battery. Reciprocating saw is wonderful. Drill chuck slips on drill bits all the time so in a futile effort t detach chuck the contents of the drill's gearbox is now scattered on a corner of my desk.
BingoBoingo: Turns out Japanese name simply means China factory cares least for product.
BingoBoingo: At least corded drill still works
BingoBoingo: I am still puzzled by the decision to give cheapest drill a gearbox with 16 clutch settings instead of a chuck that can fucking hold a bit.
phf: i kind of assume those things are not actually designed for drilling, but for accessorizing at home depot
phf: japanese products for american market are all made in china. they are bigger, clunkier and cheaper. authentic japanese item almost always looks and feels more compact, but to acquire one you have to go to weeb websites, or try to wade through export sites with huge markups
BingoBoingo: Next drill will probably be from Milwauke Electric Tool company of TTI of Hong Kong's Shenzen factory
BingoBoingo: And hopefully China likes Milwauke's reputation more than Japan's
phf: i was actually comparing a zojirushi rice cooker that i bought from amazon to the one my jap friend brought from motherland. it's sort of like is somebody designed an item that's supposed to look identical from the distance, but has lower resolution upon closer inspection. missing features, BIG buttons and less of them, cheaper rougher molding. it's hilarious
BingoBoingo: Ah
BingoBoingo: anyways this time I'll probably actually try it in the store before leaving. Get drill, masonry bits, and concrete block then test it in the tool rental area. If people test riding morwers there I don't see why I can't test drill.
phf: "woah is that how you use that thing?"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485387 << i still have this !☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 02:12 phf: i also had one of these guys http://goodlinez.ru/userfiles/85.jpg
asciilifeform: it worx great
asciilifeform: and is nearly indestructible.
phf: i'm trying to ebay one at the moment :>
phf: http://guns.allzip.org/topic/9/1433825.html << that's probably same production line as the one i had
asciilifeform: aha, i have it.
asciilifeform: prolly everybody does.
phf: and by "everybody" you mean people who haven't gotten to throwing out grandpa's toolbox yet, and like the whole 6 of breed Soviet Engineers (two in argentina, one in south korea and the rest in u.s.)
phf: *last of breed
asciilifeform: believe or not, we took this thing to usa.
asciilifeform: along with fucking meat grinder etc.
asciilifeform: i sleep on a pillow made some time in 1970s. by hand.
phf: see you guys were wise, our assumption was that we're going to a better soviet union, not zimbabwe ;)
asciilifeform: (it appears to be impossible to get feathers-but-no-stems pillow in usa)
asciilifeform: we had forward scout.
phf: пух
phf: an alien concept
asciilifeform: aha
BingoBoingo: My cousin swiped all of grandapa's tools in that time between the journey from hospital to cemetary.
phf: next thing you gonna say you can build items to specs or something
asciilifeform: you can buy 'down' but it is not same thing.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 756.85, vol: 2785.53262635 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 725.601, vol: 3278.92698 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 758.85, vol: 28377.58695497 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 680.0, vol: 11.0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 768.383222, vol: 48353.86460000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 763.18, vol: 2732.93260472 | Volume-weighted last average: 763.027494952
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485400 << let me guess: plastic gears.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 02:28 BingoBoingo: A few months ago got my first cordless drill. Went with "Ryobi Starter Drill" so the battery would work with reciprocating saw I wanted which comes without battery. Reciprocating saw is wonderful. Drill chuck slips on drill bits all the time so in a futile effort t detach chuck the contents of the drill's gearbox is now scattered on a corner of my desk.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell cazalla apparently someone wants to fuck Dixie https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/4omki0/vitalik_buterin_becomes_ben_bernanke/d4e1m3j
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: i've always almost wanted to put together a 'ithasplasticgears.com' public shame list.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: METAL gears actually. plastic box though.
asciilifeform: but today it is ~futile, almost EVERYTHING has plastic gears
asciilifeform: i saw full size lathe with plastic motherfucking gears.
BingoBoingo: Can even pick up these gears with magnet.
BingoBoingo: Which makes the abomination of a chuck even harder to forgive.
asciilifeform: just say no to chinese toolz.
asciilifeform: they do not save money, quite the opposite.
asciilifeform: add up the cost of all of the materials you've ruined.
BingoBoingo: I don't think there are powered tools anymore that aren't chinese.
asciilifeform: and the injured meat.
BingoBoingo: Asking trades people in don't drink club about suggested replacement tools some think a few America brand's tools were improved by being swept into the Techtronics juggernaut, but... will have to see
asciilifeform: power tools with batteries - l0l
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> i don't even know where the servers are going to go yet. << hey, at least it's no longer "life in an elevator"
asciilifeform: i always pictured ben_vulpes's flat as similar to my old 'nazi submarine' (complete with storage bulkheads in obscene places, cramming every possible ullage full of goodiez)
mircea_popescu: iirc it was about the floor surface of his car.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485378 << this is a good point, the good times won't last forever.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 02:05 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> buy that hammer drill. << Actually everyone prolly ought to get their power tools before China cuts USia off.
BingoBoingo considering brushless 12 volt because easier to source replacement for if li-ion batteries dry up.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485387 << i have touched the exact item!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 02:12 phf: i also had one of these guys http://goodlinez.ru/userfiles/85.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485404 << likely. back when i was in the us a decade ago, a very visible 1/3 of tools had a very nailpolish-and-high heels value☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 02:32 phf: i kind of assume those things are not actually designed for drilling, but for accessorizing at home depot
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485426 << i had duck down pillows in boston. you just don't know enough womenz :D☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 02:45 asciilifeform: (it appears to be impossible to get feathers-but-no-stems pillow in usa)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485428 << very unalien. puf in romanian, down in english☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 02:45 phf: пух
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only theoretically.
asciilifeform: if you buy 'down pillow' in modern usa you get bag of shit.
asciilifeform: even if for $1000.
mircea_popescu: yeah well
mircea_popescu: actually it wouldn't surprise me for it to be illegal to own.
mircea_popescu: "part of animal"
BingoBoingo: "migratory bird"
asciilifeform: the shit pillows with the feathers-cum-stems are ubiquitous.
mircea_popescu: they're prolly mayo nose hairs.
asciilifeform: https://web.archive.org/web/20160304015907/http://www.team.net/mjb/hawg.html << mega-classic re shit toolz, surprised that it isn't in the l0gz
mircea_popescu: uh log breaks the url
BingoBoingo: wank https://archive.is/xRz1a
asciilifeform: ohforfufcssake.
phf: (almost fixed that one)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo really, 21 yo should be broke.
phf: mircea_popescu: c'mon we are reminiscing, "in soviet union men wrought tools out of steal and built bridges that lead to god's own gates! women made pillows that were feather but light than feathers and as you lay on those pillows you needed to sleep for five minutes, but it was as if you slept ad libitum"
mircea_popescu: and the toilet paper and dishwashing steel wool were interchangeable!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: sure, also abducted. But note it is latest salvo in Gawker Media's "Trust us, we don't suck that much" campaign
asciilifeform: nah that's here in good old phreeeeeeeeeedomland
phf: same GOST for both
asciilifeform: l0lz
phf: (also can be used as re-entry burn up flak on ballistics)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo vaguely reminds me of a badling ballmer going apeshit (literally, grunting and chimping out) on stage to try an' retain some attention if naught else.
mircea_popescu: dear god these people produce such trite prose. unreadable.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's a well trod and very lulzy path
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: developersdevelopersdevelopersdevelopers!!!11111
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And not that the unreadability to them is a virtue. They can all discuss it with the confidence it was unread.
mircea_popescu: heh i guess there's that.
asciilifeform: http://tommcfarlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/developers-ballmer.jpeg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eeexactly.
mircea_popescu: I myself used a Hole Hawg to drill many holes through studs, which it did as a blender chops cabbage. I also used it to cut a few six-inch-diameter holes through an old lath-and-plaster ceiling. I chucked in a new hole saw, went up to the second story, reached down between the newly installed floor joists, and began to cut through the first-floor ceiling below. Where my homeowner's drill had labored and whined to spin the hu
mircea_popescu: ge bit around, and had stalled at the slightest obstruction, the Hole Hawg rotated with the stupid consistency of a spinning planet. When the hole saw seized up, the Hole Hawg spun itself and me around, and crushed one of my hands between the steel pipe handle and a joist, producing a few lacerations, each surrounded by a wide corona of deeply bruised flesh. It also bent the hole saw itself, though not so badly that I couldn'
mircea_popescu: t use it. After a few such run-ins, when I got ready to use the Hole Hawg my heart actually began to pound with atavistic terror.
mircea_popescu: But I never blamed the Hole Hawg; I blamed myself. The Hole Hawg is dangerous because it does exactly what you tell it to. It is not bound by the physical limitations that are inherent in a cheap drill, and neither is it limited by safety interlocks that might be built into a homeowner's product by a liability-conscious manufacturer. The danger lies not in the machine itself but in the user's failure to envision the full cons
mircea_popescu: equences of the instructions he gives to it.
mircea_popescu: A smaller tool is dangerous too, but for a completely different reason: it tries to do what you tell it to, and fails in some way that is unpredictable and almost always undesirable. But the Hole Hawg is like the genie of the ancient fairy tales, who carries out his master's instructions literally and precisely and with unlimited power, often with disastrous, unforeseen consequences.
mircea_popescu: sounds juuust about right.
mircea_popescu: but yes, unix is possibly the last os the user was genuinely terrified of.
mircea_popescu: at least - until bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-top-posters?start-date=2016-06-01 <<< check it out, i lose o.O
asciilifeform: lel i bet i win by 1 pastespew
mircea_popescu: nah it's like 100s of lines!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log-top-posters?start-date=2016-05-20 << apparently this has been going on for a while nao!
asciilifeform: i still recall when arsebot was king.
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm for bed. laters.
asciilifeform also. bbl
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/#comment-117650
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4110995 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'JRMF <jrmf@hotmail.es>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90F94C2DC01C6D471E433F6EBBFB6897CE57B9F5A96A3D7D4AA6A23E94E5529C
phf: for interested parties, i have a modified version of vdiff. http://paste.lisp.org/display/318813 (this one is mac specific, so if your shasum is different command you need to patch that, otherwise it should be portable)
phf: of the two changes, it makes sure to close the cmd, which is a bug on bsd awks (or rather a defense against permissive gnu awk) the descriptors are kept open for each of the cmd's eventually running into open file limit
phf: and the other one, and main reason for posting, is that you can use it in a pipe. like diff -uNr a b | vdiff to vdiffy-y any regular patch
phf: which is handy if you're using something else to produce the patch, or if you need to use a non-trivial diff command. for example i sometimes need to exclude files from diffing, so a command might look like diff -x foo -x bar -x qux -ruN a b | grep -v '^Binary files ' | vdiff > foo.vpatch
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The lighter side of Russia. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/19/the-lighter-side-of-russia/
BingoBoingo: https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/16/06/19/2222201/jj-abrams-reacts-to-death-of-star-trek-actor-anton-chekov-yelchin << Jeep Grand Cherokee, why should powered products of today's China be any more feared than those of today's US
BingoBoingo: oglaf.com/exhale/
phf: man oglafbot has gone lazy
BingoBoingo: yeah, but not as lazy as http://pastebin.com/raw/9MRVDC9h
felipelalli: (sorry, I'm a little drunk) https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4ox7re/as_a_bitcoin_hodler_i_beg_please_make_the_fork/
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: you are genius, lol, thank you for that article lol x 10
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 417175 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 136 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 17 hours, 44 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo thanks, will make up for shitposting with something good when I can tune in something besides dao/ether noise.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ;;later tell mircea_popescu I sense a thaw in relations now: http://archive.is/hbqvK "Gibe monies plox"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo answer't.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i still dunno if that's a good or a bad for bit-card
shinohai: >.<
shinohai: this is the first time i've actually been to ethereum sub. its filthy.
mircea_popescu: sorta like 4chan for business majors.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485526 << i can only guess at what this sort of thing does to teh mp hater,☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 05:45 felipelalli: mircea_popescu: you are genius, lol, thank you for that article lol x 10
mircea_popescu: but it ain't pretty.
mircea_popescu: phf interesting.
mircea_popescu: any chance of putting this on ~your blog~, so if three years from now i go "hey i wonder where was that thing phf made with the diffs" i can save an hour ?
shinohai: I miss giant parabolic antennas of the 80's
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485524 << that "Ladies and gentleman;" thing makes me think of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GafedXBYNAk☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 04:49 BingoBoingo: yeah, but not as lazy as http://pastebin.com/raw/9MRVDC9h
mircea_popescu: ahahaha ok this is rich!
Framedragger: have to admit, kind of honestly exciting to watch DAO unravel this way
Framedragger: "recursive call contracts" must some phrase out of a 1980s cyberpunk book
Framedragger: must be*
mircea_popescu: "I will buy Ether from any users who rage quit because of a hard fork. It won't be much because most opposition here is from non-stakeholders trying to deny stakeholders their right to self determination." << that's how http://trilema.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/ 's "the people themselves" is called now ? "right to self determination" ?
mircea_popescu: "we made some promises, which WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION TO NOT KEEP!!1111"
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough... there's US Supreme Court precedent to the theory! http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/
mircea_popescu: Framedragger postmodernism is ultrafictive huh.
Framedragger: DAO is like some kind of flawed library of babel, collapsing in on itself in fractals
Framedragger: /me hallucinates and enjoys it
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 6948309778074958508023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Leonardo Zillo Monte Xillo <leonardo@zillo.it>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/510AF37CD9BEDC08A601ECFA864E20396412F81214CB415D6F02054540101CDB
shinohai: Framedragger: I think of pulsars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHEVo-LkDrQ
Framedragger: shinohai: nice. also, i just remembered probing one of those software defined radios on the internet, and hearing this high frequency thing. checked, it said it was some pulsar. that thing out there doing full 360 degree spins in less than a second, and us hearing it.. cool stuff
shinohai: I have a few of those dongles, have always loved tagging pulsars with it
Framedragger: the additional ethereum from the child dao splits is teh leaked gravitational energy, something something
Framedragger: s/energy/momentum/
thestringpuller: r u srs???? https://twitter.com/slockitproject/status/744860466552410112
mircea_popescu: lmao. this from the still very vocal "company" THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MESS ?
mircea_popescu: the cheek of the usg agents, you know. "legal system" czar gave them the note signed by hitler, they perceive responsibility as a thing of the past.
thestringpuller: So let me get this straight. Vitalik believes everything should be on the blockchain cuz "future". Hype ensues, and because of stupid "block size issue" in Bitcoin, he's able to pump the bubble with gullible ether huffers.
thestringpuller: Okay, so CCO Stephan Tual is waking him off and tries to "do work", by creating slock.it. Slock it is a company who's flagship vaporware is the Slock connected to an "Ethereum Computer". The Slock is a lock based on a smart contract, that unlocks a door when someone pays enough Ether via a hub like AirBNB. So called making "rentals" automated. They release the DAO and pump that to crowdfund their computer. The DAO gets hacked and they
thestringpuller: "I think we're soon going to see discussions of liability consume this community in a way that makes the MtGox fiasco look simple by comparison -- because it was, in terms of liability."
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: while on that topic, perhaps mention worthy, http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/#comment-117654
thestringpuller: phf: random thought. is it possible to highlight lines when linked to a log with a direct line?
thestringpuller: for instance: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485552 << gets lost if you click it cause its at the bottom☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 11:45 mircea_popescu: amusingly enough... there's US Supreme Court precedent to the theory! http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "Groups of scammers use these idiots, exactly like the 'Ndrangheta used that Josh Zerlan muppet" << goes back to the thread of "Bernie Madoff wasn't to blame alone"; i.e. the muppets that vouched/pumped his scam
mircea_popescu: quite.
thestringpuller: hmmm. perhaps there is distinction between "harmless idiot" and "harmful idiot". Much like debate of useful vs useless idiot.
mircea_popescu: well, if this were some sort of uncontrollable spread by vector like infection, then yes. but in point of fact they're only contagious IF YOU AGREE. you don't have to agree.
mircea_popescu: while they should be beheaded in principle, there's really no emergency.
mircea_popescu: but in other etherape news... http://66.media.tumblr.com/ad18a203f2a9767b5e1828b4101dd41b/tumblr_o3uct3Ak2z1twkv1qo2_400.gif
mircea_popescu: check them out, THEY RECOVERED.
mircea_popescu: (notrly)
shinohai: ETH: -8.26 % DAO: -13.45 %
mircea_popescu: hopefully it bleeds out the entirety of mit's 13 bn worth of paper "endowments" and we don't have to hear about that shithole ever again.
shinohai: mit hates him! Learn how to rape the dao with this ONE SIMPLE TRICK!
mircea_popescu: exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485524☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 04:49 BingoBoingo: yeah, but not as lazy as http://pastebin.com/raw/9MRVDC9h
shinohai: heh sigaint.org was pwnd years ago wasn't it?
thestringpuller: "After researching Bitcoin, Buterin wanted to get his hands on some so he could formally join this new, experimental economy, but he had neither the cash to buy them, nor the computing power necessary to mine them himself. Instead he searched the online Bitcoin forums until he found someone who was willing to pay him in bitcoin for contributing to a blog. Every post earned him 5 bitcoins."
thestringpuller: Master shill till you get yo fill.
thestringpuller: actually i'm trad marking that "Master Shill"(tm)
shinohai: seriously these ppl using "gotomypc.com" service who are one password hack away from having all your shit exfiltrated or ransomed.
shinohai still waiting for leaks or for company to say how bad.
mircea_popescu: whole db.
mircea_popescu: in the new normal of usg agents, "you only say something if it benefits you". so they don't see the point of saying "we lost it all", because what's in it for them ?
mircea_popescu: much like that slock muppet isn't coming out with a "we fucked it all up, i'm unqualified to trim hedges" suicide note.
shinohai: kek
mircea_popescu: much like phantomcircuit is still "contributing" to bitcoin, presumably new and novel ways to send the whole customer list the whole customer emails list.
thestringpuller: Meanwhile Roger Ver is getting desperate:
thestringpuller: Congratulations small blockers, Bitcoin is now more expensive than an international bank wire transfer in some cases. Here is a $50 tx fee paid for a single transaction
thestringpuller: And links to >> https://blockchain.info/tx/e688df0207f885aa9d4dc61092817cf17334f981c577c16f840b0523216cbb4c
thestringpuller: Which is a 48kb transaction
mircea_popescu: aww!
shinohai: well perhaps they shouldn't spam treatises on bigger blocks to the blockchain, thereby reducing wasted space.
mircea_popescu: he should try sending a 50kb wire sometime.
mircea_popescu: such a worldy man as roger ver should fucking know what that costs.
mircea_popescu: "a transaction" ie, "pay from these 500 accounts to these 500 accounts" is not ONE wire. it's 1001 wires.
mircea_popescu: yes you get discounts if you do a lot of international settlements, but still.
shinohai: "NEM uses innovative Proof-of-Importance algorithm: first reputation based blockchain algorythm" ( java, javascript)
mircea_popescu: hopefully PoP & PoT come out soon
mircea_popescu: then they can have the Pot vs PoB holy wars, arraying anarcho-bureaucratists vs queer nontransgenerational feminists & vegans or something.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, phuctor's becoming quite the tool in scoping out new sigs.
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/#comment-117655
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Attracting comments is good. It proves we have readers.
thestringpuller: lol. the loan rates on ether are like 0.001% for 2 days
thestringpuller: amount available to borrow 140k ether
shinohai: Chesscoin: A giant premined ico turd with only 4096 blocks of scrypt pow
Framedragger: asciilifeform: openpgp'd ssh keys (thanks jurov for PGPy hack): http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ - 13 bz2 archives, each of which contains directory with 800k-900k files (one file per key, assumption was that this'd be easiest for bulk import)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: tar archive of all archives (3 GB): http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ssh_openpgp_all_2016-06-20.tar ; checksums http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/SHA256SUMS.txt
mircea_popescu: nice!
Framedragger: (dunno how bulk import on phuctor is done but hopefully it's something pretty close to `for f in *; do ./import_this_openpgp $f; done`) :)
mircea_popescu: $up KGery
deedbot: KGery voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: KGery go ahead
KGery: $register E6270097BDE964F7B6FC39B205CDF5F369E5AEE7
deedbot: Import failed for E6270097BDE964F7B6FC39B205CDF5F369E5AEE7.
mircea_popescu: hm
KGery: $register KGery E6270097BDE964F7B6FC39B205CDF5F369E5AEE7
deedbot: Import failed for KGery.
mircea_popescu: KGery well, give it a few hours we'll see wtf this is.
KGery: Okay, will try again after a while
shinohai: lol I just realized that gatecoin was a "partner" of slock.it
shinohai: http://qntra.net/2016/05/altcoin-exchange-hacked-claims-2-million-united-states-dollars-lost/
mircea_popescu: aww
KGery: managed to get deedbot to register me
KGery: How do i request credidentals to Eulorum now?
mircea_popescu: a cool.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485519 << this is potentially useful☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 04:23 phf: which is handy if you're using something else to produce the patch, or if you need to use a non-trivial diff command. for example i sometimes need to exclude files from diffing, so a command might look like diff -x foo -x bar -x qux -ruN a b | grep -v '^Binary files ' | vdiff > foo.vpatch
asciilifeform: though when i exclude files, i simply move'em
asciilifeform: works on ANY unix
asciilifeform: rather than relying on flagolade
mircea_popescu: $key KGery
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/51a1d03a-d35a-4b40-a67b-7cba7922e186/
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485551 << i would say 'idiots who believed promises made by state are extinct' but this appears not to be the case.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 11:44 mircea_popescu: "we made some promises, which WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION TO NOT KEEP!!1111"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485610 << how does this work ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 13:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, phuctor's becoming quite the tool in scoping out new sigs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform part of the "import a sig" chain, see what phuctor says.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485617 << nice. these will stoke the furnace for a very long time.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 13:37 Framedragger: asciilifeform: tar archive of all archives (3 GB): http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ssh_openpgp_all_2016-06-20.tar ; checksums http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/SHA256SUMS.txt
Framedragger: good stuff
asciilifeform: (the one and only actual bottleneck on phuctor is getting keys in - there is NO way around db query FOR EACH)
mircea_popescu: i guess so huh
Framedragger: asciilifeform: if it's a regular rdbms i guess you can at least pipeline it in the db itself, e.g. https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/queries-with.html - but i imagine the bottleneck is not exactly there
Framedragger: i.e. do the loop of for each as part of the query itself; but maybe you already do that
asciilifeform: Framedragger: the queries can't be batched.
asciilifeform: try to understand why, it is educational.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you can't use map reduce?
thestringpuller: /sarcasm
Framedragger: :)
Framedragger: right, you need to go through every existing modulus and check against it, i guess
Framedragger: i'll read that djb's paper soon now
asciilifeform: Framedragger: this has nothing to do with the gcd thing
asciilifeform: in other lulz: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/ethereum-is-doomed
Framedragger: asciilifeform: so is it then because you need to insert them sequentially, you can't paralllelize because if you do you won't end up with db which'd have "*all* moduli tested against each other"?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's been very amusing to watch the margins of the impact crater.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it is because the mods MUST be deduplicated.
asciilifeform: and correctly cross-referenced with the originating keys.
Framedragger: ..makes sense.
Framedragger: ok
mircea_popescu: but the lulziest part : their "solution" consists of a blacklist to be baked into code forevermore!
Framedragger: yeah i observed how dupe check works correctly in phuctor, and in retrospect it really is important, right
mircea_popescu: imagine the clever mit governance of their scamcoin. by 2018 there will be 10gb of crud. "why is this all here ?!?!?!?!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, it 'works' for microshit!111111
mircea_popescu: "|well, this line is because one idiot put a bug in in march 2015. this one april. these fifteen may. etc. it's all needed"
asciilifeform: winblowz source ACTUALLY looks like this.
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: also the lulz at the stephan tual idiot, "nothing was stolen nothing was lost"
mircea_popescu: point to the moon, vc tard will look at the finger. then gouge his eyes out, and he'll thank you for nothing happening.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima bbl. if the various journos that kept wanting interviews do manage to find their way to the internet, keep 'em warm ima be back in a few hours.
shinohai: http://archive.is/ZQexq
asciilifeform: notagain.jpg
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485570 << that should already happen, so probably feature is broken in one of the browsers. if you can give me name/version i could debug it, and possibly even fix it☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 12:29 thestringpuller: phf: random thought. is it possible to highlight lines when linked to a log with a direct line?
thestringpuller: phf: ah. outdated chrome. just updated chrome and it is working now.
thestringpuller: user error :(
phf: thestringpuller: which version of chrome was it?
phf: it's such a simple feature it should really work all the way back to IE5 or whatever
thestringpuller: Yea. I don't think it was the version. I think I "broke" my chrome at work.
thestringpuller: it was just*
phf: oh poop, i guess i'll have to work on hard bugs instead :/
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485638 << btcbase is deployed using v (not quite fully automatically yet though), and there's all kind of support infrastructure in that folder that i don't want to diff every time, but also don't want to shuffle around☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 14:06 asciilifeform: though when i exclude files, i simply move'em
asciilifeform: fair enough
asciilifeform: Framedragger: pumping'em in...
shinohai: https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/744914837126316032 <<< john mcaffe makes dao declaration
asciilifeform: lel
Framedragger: here's more of him on dao and sleeping with students http://techgenix.com/mathematics-ethereum-hack/
Framedragger: asciilifeform: cool!
Framedragger: hope the crunching goes well
shinohai: "sluck.it: desperate to have the mEth community come together and clean up the shit they took on the carpet."
thestringpuller: $up Bugpowder
deedbot: thestringpuller may not $up Bugpowder
mats: $up Bugpowder
deedbot: mats may not $up Bugpowder
Bugpowder: Im up
mats: dunno why deedbot didn't try anyway
mats: oh, right, i'm not a person anymoar
mats: and neither is thestringpuller
Bugpowder: lol
Bugpowder: this is the L1 L2 thing?
thestringpuller: lol
mats: join #cryptography-dev
mats: er
mats: yes Bugpowder i think so
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485707 <<< i think there are stricter rules for deedbot no?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 17:30 mats: oh, right, i'm not a person anymoar
mats: ;;later tell mike_c 503 at http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mats&to=deedbot
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: mats: as far as I know that's yet to be updated with new data
trinque: phf: were you able to connect to pg?
trinque: if I can avoid working on a btcalpha replacement I'll be hacking on the payment system for deedbot
shinohai: no nick for just deedbot in btcalpha :/
mats: oops.
mats: shouldn't 503 anyway, though
shinohai: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=mats <<< worx >.<
thestringpuller: shinohai: its deedbot now
trinque: thestringpuller: trinque │ mats: as far as I know that's yet to be updated with new data
phf: i'm about to provision another machine based on asciilifeform's gentoo depotatoing, but i really wish tmsr had a better official distro
asciilifeform: unlikely to happen. unix is a half-dead thing, like pgp.
phf: obsolete technology to be replaced by ???
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: precisely that.
phf: to be replaced by my smbx restoration attempts in 20 years time and 20mil shorter :p
asciilifeform: i can't recall if we had the thread,
asciilifeform: but smbx lispm was actually a terrific crock of shit, implementation-wise
asciilifeform: ~95% undergrad hacks by weight, to get around the quite baroque hardware stack forced by the tech of the period.
asciilifeform: it was ~conceptually~ The Right Thing in 1,001 ways that c-machine is not, but not something that really deserves to be rebuilt verbatim (other than for study)
phf: well, it can be rebuilt as a staging platform, sort of like instead of building own city, can just use the carcass of a roman settlement. it's not rome, but with some study can understand rome nature and work towards that.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: point being, the higher-level stuff is interesting and useful, but the foundations are crud. mainly, cost of memory and disk at the time made orthogonal persistence a largely unthinkable thing.
Framedragger: re gentoo etc: what of e.g. freebsd, a very nice distro with a monolithic kernel+libc, good documentation, maintenance etc
asciilifeform: likewise, slow clocks of the time made 'compilation must be a form of caching strictly' likewise unthinkable.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ..however, short-term some local optimum surely exists
asciilifeform: Framedragger: freebsd fell to rot long ago
asciilifeform: it had NO FUCKING RNG AT ALL FOR YEARS and NO ONE NOTICED.
Framedragger: let me guess, i should check the logs :)
asciilifeform: and moved to shit compiler, throwing away gcc
asciilifeform: it is dead to me.
Framedragger: you misspelt debian /joke
Framedragger: llvm?
asciilifeform: aha.
Framedragger: is llvm surely shit? i was always wary of it, but technically speaking, why shit?
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: FreeBSD is basically Fedora/Red Hat level shitgnome infested
mats: llvm is p technically interesting
Framedragger: these abstract rebuttals always confuse me
Framedragger: too much thought compression
BingoBoingo: $google Freebsd random bug
asciilifeform: Framedragger: because it is a political instrument of the enemy.
asciilifeform: this suffices for me.
Framedragger: *yawn*
Framedragger: k
deedbot: https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/02/19/freebsd-and-the-yarnbug-more-trouble-at-the-random-number-mill/ << FreeBSD and the YARNBUG – more trouble at the Random Number ... | https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/pr-guidelines/article.html << FreeBSD Problem Report Handling Guidelines | http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports-bugs << freebsd-ports-bugs Info Page
asciilifeform: it exists strictly because apple wanted to be rid of the gpl.
asciilifeform: $s llvm
a111: 70 results for "llvm", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=llvm
asciilifeform: ^ have fun
Framedragger: BingoBoingo: lol talk about selection bias;surely you can do the same for various linuxes
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: If you bsd either NEtBSD or OpenbsD but make own ports.
phf: Framedragger: linux is worst is better in this case. it sucks in the same way freebsd sucks, but it has more support, more software, more drivers, etc.
asciilifeform: at any rate, all unix is architecturally defective in ways which inevitably lead to the same piles of shit we are kicking around today.
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: Sure like Debian. The freebsd problem is where there bugs keep popping up (i.e. places that make crypto impossibru)
phf: but llvm is definitely toxic because it was designed with the ~explicitly stated goal~ of killing gcc
Framedragger: phf: the latter is true i suppose, but on stable hardware configurations the"drivers" etc prolly does not apply. but sure, size etc
asciilifeform: Framedragger: this 'stable hardware' thing also doesn't exist.
asciilifeform: anywhere.
phf: Framedragger: fwiw i've spent about 4 years on freebsd, from 98 to 2002 or so and it pains me to no end that platform compromised where theo held the perimeters with an iron fist.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: that's a misuse of slippery slope i think; i could e.g. say then that any "concept" is not "stable" and not "truly ontologically grounded" or whatever. but i guess there's actual stuff / critique to be said about stability of hardware in particular, so, fair enough i guess
asciilifeform 2000-2006 or so
asciilifeform: Framedragger: no slopes, slippery or otherwise. simply pointing out that the 'you can buy this machine, and 20 yrs from now you can buy 100% compatible one' does NOT exist.
asciilifeform: nor threatens to exist.
Framedragger on and off but generally not old enough to join the club. the documentation is a piece of work though..
Framedragger: asciilifeform: sure, ok
trinque: I'm clutching to hand-compiled driftwood on openbsd
asciilifeform: even if you reduce the 20 to, say, 5.
asciilifeform: ALSO does not exist.
trinque: if I had another pair of hands I'd finish porting portage over
asciilifeform: for so long as 'you can't buy this video board any moar' is a thing, at ALL, there neither is nor can be such a thing as sane driver set.
asciilifeform: nor does the effort of attempting sane os pay off, lacking stable iron.
asciilifeform: this is why the only tmsr silicon worth making is an fpga.
asciilifeform: (see logz, we had at least half a dozen 'if fpga actually existed' threads.)
thestringpuller: Instead of the Bitcoin computer. S.NSA can make the TMSR Computer.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: we had this thread also a dozen times.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: with current fabrication tech, the cost of fabricating any quantity of sane computer could never be earned back.
thestringpuller: We pay for nice things. etc. etc.
trinque: moreover if you don't have a plan to march from A to B, B is pointless to consider strategically
trinque: hence my collection of driftwood
trinque: "we will arrive at B with negative 50k men and three un-tanks"
asciilifeform: trinque: sorta what we have now.
trinque: l0l
asciilifeform: i'm personally riding two dozen untanks.
asciilifeform: 'i rode a tank, held a general's rank, while the blitzkrieg rages and the bodies stank...' (tm) (r)
phf: Framedragger: despite the rhetoric people here are extremely pragmatic. but when you think about these things there's no reason to allow sloppy thinking. the question is "how much of a dick up your ass is too much dick", and the healthy answer is "none at all". llvm is good technology (it gives you same kind of layering that a decent common lisp compiler does, but for languages that are not used to that kind of richness, so everyone's excited abou
phf: t it), but unlike federated gcc, llvm is owned entirely by apple and greater extent other apple aligned corporations. their interests are ~opposite~ to those of enterprising individuals.
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: good summary.
thestringpuller: not even just a little dick up the butthole?
thestringpuller: like if you HAD to have a dick up your butthole.
phf: you might not notice it, because you look at it from the perspective of release summaries and hacker news posts, but the kind of decisions that go into llvm are ~entirely~ driven by large corporate with large teams and large hardware needs. it's synergistic.
trinque: itt thestringpuller henceforth dubbed justthetip
thestringpuller: i'm just saying what if option is big dick up butthole or little dick up butthole. i know ideal situation is no dick up butthole at all.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: there is always a 3rd option, 'fight to the death'.
thestringpuller: of course the cost of that is your life. sometimes a prisoner would rather have dick up butt than shiv in kidney.
thestringpuller: just sayin'
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: in ru prison, this position, once detected, gets you assigned to pederasty immediately.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-16#1407078 << thread☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-02-16 16:51 mircea_popescu: this is patriotism, in perhaps an extreme degree.
thestringpuller: "You know, I spend a lot of time, you know, thinking about all the shit I could've done. I mean, I wake up in the morning and I think, I could've been the motherfucking president. Shit. Nigga, I wish things had've been different. I mean, I'd do anything in the motherfucking world just for things to be different. I guess I'm just gonna be raping niggas' asses for the rest of my motherfucking life." - Random Prisoner Who Thought He Woul
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB552-US-and-Britain-planned-to-destroy-Middle-East-oil-facilities-in-case-of-Soviet-invasion-from-1940s-1960s
asciilifeform: 'NSC 26/2 was mistakenly declassified in 1985 by an archivist at the Truman Presidential Library which is part of the National Archives and Records Administration. A library official in a legal deposition deemed it the worst security breach in the National Archives’ history. A furious CIA demanded the archivist be fired, but he remained a library employee after losing his top-secret clearance. NSC 26/2 was reclassified top secret,
asciilifeform: but by this time Research Publications, a Connecticut company, had sent it along with other microfiched documents to libraries across the country. The microfiche weren’t recalled after a government decision – it’s not clear by whom – that it would arouse attention. '
asciilifeform: in yet other lulz,
asciilifeform: http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/GPS-Interference-NOTAM-For-Southwest-226365-1.html
asciilifeform: 'The tests will potentially knock out all GPS-reliant services including WAAS, GBAS and, notably, ADS-B. The FAA also doesn’t want a lot of radio chatter about the outages and is urging pilots to report them if they need help from ATC. Operators of Embraer Phenom 300 business jets are being urged to avoid the area entirely. “Due to GPS Interference impacts potentially affecting Embraer 300 aircraft flight stability controls, FAA
asciilifeform: recommends EMB Phenom pilots avoid the … testing area and closely monitor flight control systems,” the Notam reads.'
asciilifeform: for srs?
asciilifeform: lizard jets can be toppled with cheap jammer ?
mats: i mean, USN only just restarted teaching stellar navigation, so...
BingoBoingo: What, it isn't like GPS satellites broadcast with 10,000 screaming hot watts of power.
trinque: http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Notice/GENOT_7110_711_EMB-300.pdf
trinque: wahahaha
trinque: who builds these things?
deedbot: [Qntra] Hoaxtoshi Update: Journalist Swindled Into Writing A #Longread - http://qntra.net/2016/06/hoaxtoshi-update-journalist-swindled-into-writing-a-longread/
trinque: the thing has to be emergency landed if GPS is lost?
asciilifeform: apparently ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: modern gps jamming countermeasures play clever tricks with ~direction~
asciilifeform: (jammer is most usually ~below~ the victim, genuine article - above.)
BingoBoingo: ah
mircea_popescu: the days of gsm style gps "whatever stronger source wins" are done with the 90s
mircea_popescu: in other "internet of things" lulz, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c4fd4dd1-38d7-4cd8-b571-b415dd7c9919/
trinque does a deedbot deploy for whitespace trimming around commands
mircea_popescu: in other news, apparently the uk is looking at legal options to implement a recursive splitting from the eu and subsequently drain all euros.
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: altogether not a bad idea.
shinohai: hue
mircea_popescu: $up Framedragger
mircea_popescu: heh
deedbot: Framedragger voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: $up fromphuctor
deedbot: fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: all the butthurt people, oh noes. what shall we ever do!
jurov: Framedragger: if you already openpgp'd the keys, feeding them to phuctor via http is trivial
mircea_popescu: slow tho
jurov: i suspect alf won't do it himself because reasons
jurov: "it's not fit for that purpose" or such
mircea_popescu: omg wai.
jurov: or i misread the discussion?
trinque: asciilifeform said he *would* feed them in.
jurov: aok
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483485 < i meant this discussion☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-16 15:41 asciilifeform: this incidentally is why phuctor had been a depressing thing for me. the thing i set out to find, i never found (evidence of diddled rng on pgp users' boxes.)
mircea_popescu thinks jurov's trying to stir shit up!
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-17#1484330☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 20:43 asciilifeform: Framedragger: if you send me a tarball, they'll go in wholesale.
trinque: "I suspect because tmsr is being lax about read-the-logs beatings."
asciilifeform: for fucks sake
asciilifeform: they are already being fed in
asciilifeform: 5100+ already.
jurov: fine, fine, and what happened to this? http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483427☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-16 15:24 asciilifeform: understand, if i were to switch phuctor to storing IN this format, NO key it spits out will ever be eatable by gpg.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485681 <<< lol @poor schmuck hallucinating self "novelist", deciding to press on ANYWAY in spite of craig derp beheading because he also hallucinates himself some sort of postmodern orpheus who;'s gonna lyre the beasts to sleep, only to fall flat.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 14:59 asciilifeform: notagain.jpg
mircea_popescu: hopefully his local dispensary has enough pills to medicate him back to copacetic normalcy
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485690 <<< i lollered.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 15:19 phf: oh poop, i guess i'll have to work on hard bugs instead :/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485697 << let's zoom out on this derp's prose. "i was. I began. math was easy (FOR ME!). my grades. i got. i transferred. i would. i was. what i have. what i learned. that is TEN fucking paragraphs.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 16:00 Framedragger: here's more of him on dao and sleeping with students http://techgenix.com/mathematics-ethereum-hack/
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485868 << phuctor is unchanged - Framedragger converted the ssh keys to pgp format.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 20:30 jurov: fine, fine, and what happened to this? http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483427
mircea_popescu: i hope he lives off belly button lint, because any sort of social order in which this fuck is not starving is ipso facto broken
jurov: asciilifeform: so I ought to, too?
mircea_popescu: someone needs to tell mcafee that buying $5 worth of articles on craigslist results in $0 worth of verbiage.
mircea_popescu: jurov if you dun feel like it, give it a little and Framedragger will make his thing a thing.
mircea_popescu: we'll need a convertor anyway, the problem of non-compliant rsa implementation isn't going to go away suddenyl.
jurov: i already explained I have no problem to convert, just that it will balloon the data up
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in case you missed it, he converted all the keys, i loaded, and they are being fed in even now.
mircea_popescu: well yeah.
asciilifeform: all xx mil of them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is Framedragger 's set (servers) or jurov 's set (github, cliuents) ?
asciilifeform: Framedragger's
mircea_popescu: we're talking of the other one.
asciilifeform: ah
mircea_popescu: recall, jurov parsed all of github, produced a pile of keys and the convertor code
asciilifeform: ah yes
asciilifeform: i see no reason not to do same thing as for Framedragger's
mircea_popescu: anyway, normally i'd have just let you do the conversion locally, but since Framedragger is such an impetuous youth, we're moving fast for once :D
jurov: ok, i'll convert
mircea_popescu: jurov is it practical to just "do the same thing as Framedragger " ?
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485691 << this is a major win, you'll have to publish the thing.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 15:23 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485638 << btcbase is deployed using v (not quite fully automatically yet though), and there's all kind of support infrastructure in that folder that i don't want to diff every time, but also don't want to shuffle around
mircea_popescu: don't clean it up TOO much first, either. cheese gotta have some cheese flavour.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485721 << heh.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 17:39 trinque: if I can avoid working on a btcalpha replacement I'll be hacking on the payment system for deedbot
BingoBoingo: Lying shitgnome caught in the act NOT talking about computers https://archive.is/xooJH
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485728 << it's a large project and generally not a ripe fruit yet, i don't think, but yes.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:23 phf: i'm about to provision another machine based on asciilifeform's gentoo depotatoing, but i really wish tmsr had a better official distro
mircea_popescu: the path to bitcoinfs intersects a tmsr-os/loper-os/whatever-we-end-up-calling-it-os, just...
mircea_popescu: im not even sure it should be linux.
asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: if it is linux, it probably is more like debian sarge or gentoo whatever from 2003 than anything visible in the wild. fuck, it probably should be more like ibm-dos really.
asciilifeform: the interesting bit re dos is that it was felled precisely by the same hardware tower of babel which gave us a multi-MB linux turdkernel
asciilifeform: you get two options, standardizing the iron, or abstracting over the babelade
asciilifeform: tertium non datur.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485741 << BingoBoingo keeps the bsd flame alive, and others maybe (mod6 ?) but... it's really a murky point yet.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:33 Framedragger: re gentoo etc: what of e.g. freebsd, a very nice distro with a monolithic kernel+libc, good documentation, maintenance etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we have the power to standardize the iron, maybe, through the process of selection.
mircea_popescu: exactly how natural evolution works.
asciilifeform: selection is NOT enough.
asciilifeform: you need something to select FROM.
mircea_popescu: that something is called patience.
asciilifeform: this is like waiting for ocean to dry out.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485744 << this is an argument contra de maintainers, not necessarily contra de item. but still.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:34 asciilifeform: Framedragger: freebsd fell to rot long ago
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the ocean WILL dry out.
asciilifeform: for so long as mass turdmarket is ~the~ driver of manufacture, there will be only the equivalent of 'winmodems' to choose from iron-wise.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485755 <<< in fairness you ask / make very abstract questions / statements.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:35 Framedragger: these abstract rebuttals always confuse me
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems altogether improbable that as of today the turdmarket is the driver of anything.
asciilifeform: it drives 100% of silicon.
mircea_popescu: i have doubts, as an anthropologist i mean, that this was EVER actually the case. it seems altogether plausible that the ~idea~ of turdmarket driving things was perceived as "likely to occur" in general and perhaps circumstantially occuring in some spots, but the trends are separating not joining
asciilifeform: and anything and everything else where you have to sell 10,000+ pieces to break even.
asciilifeform: (more like 100,000 with modern processes)
mircea_popescu: take modems. who buys them ? telcos. take say smartphones. who buys them ? corporations. literally, not just because they "issue" the drones one, but because they decide which is the "in" one to have.
mircea_popescu: so the drones "make the decision" to "buy" one with "their" "money" aka corp scrip on loan from the corp.
asciilifeform: noshit.jpg
asciilifeform: but the shit tower doesn't need the drones to have 'free choice', in order to work
mircea_popescu: but anyway, this is not terribly related. "whether it's a collie or a terrier it still bit me"
asciilifeform: for so long as ~somebody~ buys those 100,000 - you can make the next batch.
asciilifeform: whether it is kim jong up, to build statue of himself out of them, or apple - dun matter.
asciilifeform: *un
mircea_popescu: yeah but see, did pharoh buy one pyramid or 100`000 chunks of cut stone.
asciilifeform: does it matter to the stonecutters?
mircea_popescu: tbh i like kim jong up a lot better.
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: maybe he could be kim jong up from now on. and he could have a son and name him kim dong down
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485787 << well, at least in theory this problem could be resolved by saying "we only do servers" at least at first.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:42 asciilifeform: for so long as 'you can't buy this video board any moar' is a thing, at ALL, there neither is nor can be such a thing as sane driver set.
asciilifeform: not really.
asciilifeform: (e.g., which NIC? and what's to guarantee that it will be available)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485800 << that's unthinkable!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:49 asciilifeform: i'm personally riding two dozen untanks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah. i just meant the vidcard gnarl could maybe be excised in a politically defensible manner. historically it was ~60 to 70% of all the mess.
asciilifeform: unfortunately that isn't remotely the end of it.
mircea_popescu: myeah
asciilifeform: likewise the intel and amd boobytrap cores dun go away when we close eyes.
asciilifeform: and the number of rack servers you can lease without them is ~0.
mircea_popescu: you can colocate anything you wish.
asciilifeform: the whole pile of shit (yes, including arm) must burn.
mircea_popescu: elbruses even :D
asciilifeform: you can colocate cray. but go source in quantity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try and find one to burn!11
mircea_popescu: myea
trinque: asciilifeform: does ppc have the mysterymeat cores?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485802 << "casa quantu stai e tirrinu quantu viri". it's a thing.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:49 phf: Framedragger: despite the rhetoric people here are extremely pragmatic. but when you think about these things there's no reason to allow sloppy thinking. the question is "how much of a dick up your ass is too much dick", and the healthy answer is "none at all". llvm is good technology (it gives you same kind of layering that a decent common lisp compiler does, but for languages that are not used to that kind of richnes
asciilifeform: trinque: ppc has a sole source. ergo ipso facto rubbish.
asciilifeform: (the sole source is ibm)
asciilifeform: recall the specificity-of-diddling threads.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485814 << because the russians a) don't understand how the world works and b) are antijwzemitic.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 18:55 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: in ru prison, this position, once detected, gets you assigned to pederasty immediately.
trinque will not fall back to abacus until tmsr-fpga exists
asciilifeform: trinque: how each of us keeps his own 'patient' on life support, is his business
asciilifeform: but fwiw i am against a canonical life support effort for crud that is long past expiration date.
phf: i honestly though thestringpuller was just being tongue-in-cheek :o
asciilifeform: witness mircea_popescu's reaction to gentoo, for instance
mircea_popescu: yeah, discussion may well continue, but it does altogether not seem likely there's going to be a "chosen respirator"
asciilifeform: aha.
trinque nods
phf: mircea_popescu: hmm, i'm not groking that "casa ..." thing
mircea_popescu: phf "a house enough to sit in and land as far as your eye can see"
mircea_popescu: ie, how to split real estate budget.
phf: right, i mean i'm being dense as far as how that maps to the mini rant
mircea_popescu: well, it seems to me to be a very apt summary of the type of pragmatism prevalent here. a sort of "keep horizon maximally open" flavour of pragmatism
mircea_popescu: very different (in the sense of being opposite) to pragmatism as a current in anglosaxon thought. which is more like, "keep all doors and windows shut and only open something once you're sure there's nothing there".
phf: aah, gotcha
mircea_popescu: the false etymology to roman lat vir is particularly endearing.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: phf does BSDbsdm too!!!
mircea_popescu: ah right
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485818 << and maiden planned to hold thighs tightly closed in case of ravishment.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 19:18 asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB552-US-and-Britain-planned-to-destroy-Middle-East-oil-facilities-in-case-of-Soviet-invasion-from-1940s-1960s
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the way i read it, the anglo crews on ~100% of the gear at the time doubled as saboteurs.
asciilifeform: and the hosts were somehow 'not to know this'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485822 << the missile problem.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 19:26 asciilifeform: http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/GPS-Interference-NOTAM-For-Southwest-226365-1.html
asciilifeform: waiwut
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, they "didn't know" which is how romania went from an agrarian economy in 1935 to the world's petroengineering superpwoer in 1965.
Bugpowder: Pretty sweet feed of live fire aircraft drops in LA
Bugpowder: http://ktla.com/2016/06/20/brush-fire-breaks-out-along-highway-39-above-azusa/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lulziest thing is the VERY expensive "business jet" (embraer phenom) that was made by javascript engineers (won't work at all without gps signal).
mircea_popescu: oh wait this is in the logs. darn.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder 15 acres not such a big deal, considering what california scrub can provide neh ?
Bugpowder: 1200 acres
Bugpowder: was 15 acres 2 hours ago.
mircea_popescu: wind huh.
Bugpowder: Not sure about streaming to to wherever you are, but the HD video is pretty amazing.
mircea_popescu: i dun do much video anyway.
Bugpowder: http://imgur.com/xm3JzO6
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, romanian redditards found out that mp was also born there, think that "hey, wtf, i don;'t think it can be him. if it were he would be starting a revolution"
mircea_popescu: logic, sometimes.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder this is bad for fiatcoin.
Bugpowder: Wind blowing it up mountains not down tho so OK for now…
Bugpowder: Hmm… Now 4 fires started in the last 3 hours in LA… Arson?
BingoBoingo: Mebbe some ISIS kid in California decided if he went firebug he could get a higher score than if he went an hero?
BingoBoingo: Or mebbe weather is just right for cigarette butts to light the brush today?
BingoBoingo: These are the mysteries of the Los Angeles desert
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 734.99, vol: 7842.37344265 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 705.761, vol: 6088.93784 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 690.0, vol: 2.00894355 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 749.31896, vol: 41353.25440000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 738.36, vol: 3882.46001864 | Volume-weighted last average: 742.216230316
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 417271 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 40 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 hours, 55 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: $up Monkey14
deedbot: Monkey14 voiced for 30 minutes.