mircea_popescu: but to return upstack : if i can't enumerate the states of my machine, i will thus therefore worry about it ending up in a state i can't predict, understand or recover. this is rational.

mircea_popescu: there's apparently a history of having an "editor" for files ; and an "editor" for internets and yet another editor for debugging the smashed system (mostly used to "develop" or "code"). what again is the rationale ?

mircea_popescu: this equality doesn't hold. it's not a matter "we don't know". we know what the environment constraints are, and we do not care what their internal processing is. if they fail to act rationally they did it randomly.

mircea_popescu: what exactly is the "oh, must be local" rationale besides "we are retarded and so therefore things follow"

mircea_popescu: it's for instance one of the best bio-based challenges to say rational economic agent theory.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637547 << you certainly need the pubkey of the input address, which was back in the day the rationale behind the whole "don't reuse addresses" thing -- the pubkey of an address which has paid before is known ; the pubkey of an address which has not paid before isn't known. ☝︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole "i write books" aspirational occupation is a macula of dumb just all of itself. i keep mentioning tucker max because he tried (and claimed to succeed) and utterly failed at the thing.

mircea_popescu: yes, in actual terms. but in aspirational terms ?

mircea_popescu: dude fucks some kids, usg files suit on the expectation that kidfucker is going to be so fucking impressed with them caring he'll sign anything they want. when this expectation fails to materialize, usg asks judge to roll back time, "really for keepsies never happensies", judge agrees, on the rationale that maybe we fuck him later. dude... sticks around.

mircea_popescu: what fucking "rational" and what fucking "basis". trump impeachment = open hunting season for "our democracy" "civilised" cucks. the http://trilema.com/2016/stfu-attention-whore-culture/ will roll right over.

mircea_popescu: this is incidentally why "irrational behaviour!! murder!! common graves!!!". because of exactly the above, economics dun care, so the inborn reflex is to overdo and make sure, rather than find out it didn't take on the other end.

mircea_popescu: so yes, it's a class warfare thing. two heads of the aspirational hydra - one that aspires through "stem" and the other that aspires through "business".

mircea_popescu: "October 2015, scientists at the University of New South Wales announced the successful design of a single-atom qubit 3D silicon chip architecture, making significant progress toward building a full-scale, operational Quantum Computer."

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform used to be written on medicine bottles. back before medicine became rationalized.

mircea_popescu: "The bulk of these projects are not provided in source code form and instead appear to be binary files, which further strengthens the hypothesis that these files were compromised from an operational staging post or actively obtained from a field operation. If they had been in source code format then this would suggest an insider leak is more likely, binary files are often used in operations over their source code counterpart.

mircea_popescu: married woman in belgium, a modernist society, expects to fuck her husband, or another man (ie, the who is indifferent) PROVIDED they woo her properly. the what is discerning, and "i fucked him because he bought me roses just like you did 20 years ago you pig" is perfectly "rational".

mircea_popescu: new ideas of impeachable kings ? c) who did max weber identify as part of a "rationalization" (aka enlightening, or in proper words pedestrian-anti-idealism) of abstractions in europe ?

mircea_popescu: 10% at the time, yes ? aspirational like exactly the "i am going to ny to be a writer just like carrie bradshaw" jew of today.

mircea_popescu: in other lolz, "Rule #1: Believe the autocrat. He means what he says. Whenever you find yourself thinking, or hear others claiming, that he is exaggerating, that is our innate tendency to reach for a rationalization. This will happen often: humans seem to have evolved to practice denial when confronted publicly with the unacceptable."

mircea_popescu: as much as it sucks to be one of the progresstards in the us, imagine how very much worse all the random ngo-niggers and assorted aspirational retards from the rest of the world have it.

mircea_popescu: these aspirational "intellectuals" are shockingly sterile.

mircea_popescu: and also a major reason why eg european politicians take "irrational" measures such as allowing refugees in. yes it's true that a thousand refugees will cost the local community in excess of ten million before it's all settled. BUT, importantly, a thousand refugees contain at least a dozen harvestable bodies, which provide for the politicians ie "modern democracy" criminal organisation a hefty 1mn+ in revenue.

mircea_popescu: well yes but isn't the entire rational point of belief that you isolate circularity there and therefore need no more of it anywhere else ?

mircea_popescu: trinque he has a serious issue with things that i don't yet fully grok, but i can not presently distinguish from this irrational meltdown and the irrational meltdown on the gossipd spec.

mircea_popescu: they could detect holes and shoot down as it is. that's the more rational approach, than brick

mircea_popescu: specifically, that male self-hate tends to reject the world (which is what "i hit rock bottom" always is - it is insanity to imagine the addict understands the world in your terms, and "Has seen reason" ; no such thing, he just activated a peculiar, and reasonably well understood, psychological process. no rationality involved) whereas in females tends to reject the self.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude had very little operational foresight, ability or competence.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're still captive in this "usg is rational" nonsense. it isn't.

mircea_popescu: "No. I am asking: Where do rationalists come from? How do we acquire our powers?"

mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Sl7qwnKO4 << wtf is with all the dude-looking "chicks" in "rationalism" anyway ?

mircea_popescu: wait, "rationalist" derps pivoting towards cult ?

mircea_popescu: for what operational definition ?

mircea_popescu: at least elliot had the excuse of biological malfunction. but all his "friends" and colleagues and congenerational derps simply emulate the same decerebrated state. in sofrware.

mircea_popescu: the switch from representational to aspirational advertising is quite the direct reflection of the turning point.

mircea_popescu: But the tricky bits here are these spheres within spheres, the Klein bottle tanks, the irrational gears

mircea_popescu: now, if someone either a) thinks they have the bright idea or b) welcome the busywork (not unrational, that's how you learn things) they're welcome obviously.

mircea_popescu: so it's impossible to make a rational decision here, from both ends. win-win, as they say.

mircea_popescu: this regulates firing. not glucose usage on one end ; not rational activity on the other.

mircea_popescu: then i don't think much of your biological model of rationality, either.

mircea_popescu: i have no idea how any of them can maintain the pretense of "thinking" and "rational" with this on the table.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506724 << this is kinda dubious. note that people light up gay bars and cineplexes rather than geriatric homes, etc. if they actually wanted maximal body count they'd do the local hospital, but they're not exactly being rational. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: in any case, it's not some sort of rational process. it's merely "the secret" played straight. if they will it enough it'll matter.

mircea_popescu: irrational has plenty of space in it for many different things.

mircea_popescu: of course meta-rational is a thing. but sovereign reason is a very different thing from mere "reason" as peddled by the feminine usg & friends.

mircea_popescu: meta-rational is no more rational than complex numbers are.

mircea_popescu: in negotiation, in any human endeavour, "rational" is predictable and predictable is death.

mircea_popescu: this is strategically disastrous for any living thing. imagine, cod taking "the correct route". this means -> scania. ouch. imagine person making rsa key, taking the "correct" key. ie what, everyone takes the same primes, because they're the largest primes that fit in the notation and so "best" and so "rational choice". it's exactly a matter of the "inverse of safety from numbers" thing we discussed recently.

mircea_popescu: i meant it above, take the whole aspirational 14%, that's about 50 to 70 mn citizens, from everyone who ever wrote for gawker to everyone who ever worked in washington, set them somewhere in the desert, put barbed wire all around them, and work them to death.

mircea_popescu: then they can have the Pot vs PoB holy wars, arraying anarcho-bureaucratists vs queer nontransgenerational feminists & vegans or something.

mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it's a fundamental behaviour at the intersextion of sexuality, property and generational change. so... whatevs.

mircea_popescu: sigh. see, this is the problem with trying to be a mad dictator in a rational way. everyone spokes your wheels!

mircea_popescu: girl's desire to be black owned is not only perfectly understandable in that context, but rationally mandatory. what the fuck is she to do ?if she's got any life whatsoever left in her coils, what the everloving fuck is she to do, nurse eric ?

mircea_popescu: N is a small irrational.

mircea_popescu: teh remainder is irrational.

mircea_popescu: i dunno the whole thing. the observation however stands that just as there's a way to verify a number ISNT irrational, by the same way in the same manner for the same reason the reverse can also be verified. and there are indeed very hard (as it is the case here, harder than np-complete) problems to do with such numbers, arbitrarily chosen.

mircea_popescu: we do have in point of fact guaranteed irrational numbers.

mircea_popescu: yes, but as long as the notation is in an irrational base,

mircea_popescu: you recall earlier discussion re summation of irrationals lemme dig it up

mircea_popescu: well, it does as much as guarantee if your string is finite you're operating on an irrational.

mircea_popescu: but now take something like... an irrational numeration base. take for instance something like (1+sqrt(5))/2, which is... practically binary!

mircea_popescu: Framedragger no, it's just luck, there's no rational solution out of the problem. see http://trilema.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning/ for the discussion if haven't already. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: anyway, to make that obscurity clearer : sentence structure is agent - verb - object - 2nd object. agent denies to x y. the agent = the INDIVIDUAL as a "us item", aspirationally ; the verb = denied ; the object = himself. "the "su item" as a projection of his own" is a third party, 2nd object.

mircea_popescu: ie, the INDIVIDUAL as a "us item", aspirationally ; denied the "su item" as a projection of his own, himself. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but he has a point, the derp brain is memetic not rational. "the x of y"

mircea_popescu: e previous point, he's got a rationalist amulet to protect him from things!), but also i notice - that lesswrong thing is essentially dead, isn't it ? one wiki edit (his), "0 points" throughout whatever that may mean, recent posts nobody cares about, latest diary from February, 5-th most recent blog from last month etc etc. i thought there were many idiots in this thing, turns out it's just a handful of derps that meanwhile f ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/9p9/open_thread_february_114_2012/5v6g << i followed this link off the guy's page ; turned out to be exactly as worthless as expected (take the most glaringly obvious point - he protests that polyamory practitioners are rich powerful valuable people [which he can't confront so he has to mangle up in terms of skin color etc, which doesn't make him a racist because rationalism or whatever, t

mircea_popescu: we're not discussing here the ideal case where "the liquidated position is small enough". we're discussing here interesting cases, when you have a noisy market and a bunch of agents that act irrationally.

mircea_popescu: this is the defense against the risks problem above usually deemed as rational. the problem here is that this in practice always devolves to a sort of "when confronted with the number e, i wish to be insulated from the part past the decimal point and underwrite the part before the decimal point".

mircea_popescu: as evidenced to me and for my needs by the plain fact that even when the actual rational explanation is no longer applicable,

mircea_popescu: which is the problem here. even when it works, the "appstore" didn't work for the rational reason, but for the irrational one.

mircea_popescu: you know, thinking about it... what exactly is the rationale even of the concept of "int" ?

mircea_popescu: no, it sounds like until the day you can machine-represent an irrational quality without rounding, you're lying to yourself about having washed anything.

mircea_popescu: ("you'd have to do it in parallel anyway!" "well if you're doing it anyway, wouldn't it be ~rational~ they don';t do it at all and save the cost ?" << that's the logic.)

mircea_popescu: and in further "holy shit internet weenies are retarded" news, http://lesswrong.com/lw/31/what_do_we_mean_by_rationality/

mircea_popescu: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sad_Puppies << in other lolz of all time, apparently the sort of expired carcasses / h ellison impersonators that go around writing bad genre prose heard about the 4chan time thing a decade later and pulled a moot of their own at hugo

mircea_popescu: ironically it's exactly the sort of machine he understands and proposes, neh ? markov chain on steroids, ==== "rationality" in the sense of bayesian derpage.

mircea_popescu: which possibly stands for "aspirational"

mircea_popescu: and we don't even have the fucking conceptual girder to even comprehend what the rationale'd be on (in terms of, what are the primitives)

mircea_popescu: and we won't even fucking know the standard is anything but elaborate cumcake until the rationale part stands up.

mircea_popescu: it needs the fucking standard AND RATIONALE book.

mircea_popescu: just like we [at least theoretically/aspirationally] write code

mircea_popescu: this is the same kakobrekla, you recall, who went on a trip to check out a hungarian asicminer on a day's notice, also in these very logs. the sort of rationality of old people is not particularly relevant to the young - and same is true of bitcoin.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : "> This last post from you indicates clearly that your horizon is limited and you are allergic to new ideas and cannot bring facts and rationale to your statements. Pray tell, just what are the “new” ideas in Clojure? The idea of setting up an ersatz Lisp on top of the JVM is not the least bit new. Neither is immutable data." << readily the best bit in there. and it is pretty good as it is.

mircea_popescu: lemme say that schelling points exist PRECISELY because ~irrational~ behaviour is an UNDEFEATABLE solution to your matrix.

mircea_popescu: and yeah, sure, perhaps the market's not rational enough, and yeah, sure, maybe fed prints more to buy bitcoin. whatevs.

mircea_popescu: this kid is the aspirational "staff propagandist of the Manturovsk District of the Young Communist League in the Kursk Region"

mircea_popescu: i suspect that's the operational difference. yes you can't really bend sharply a dtvi cable.

mircea_popescu: extra lulz points if the "rationale" is something along the lines of "hey, we'll kiss and make up".

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the sense everyone's mp. aspirational sense.

mircea_popescu: "Socialists revile the church not for its promulgation of irrational faith but because historically churches have championed the improvement of the world as a thing that the devoted do—not a thing which may (or even should) be outsourced to le etat." << quite exactly.

mircea_popescu: All of them said the site we wanted was impossible, apart from one who quoted upward of $40k for build, excluding the photography and image editing that would be needed. At this stage we only had $20k total capital for the entire venture — sampling, pattern making, inventory and production. So my co-founder taught herself to code. She worked day and night — we did all the operational planning during busines

mircea_popescu: 17:32:44 renart: the maximum number of operational systems continues to decrease

mircea_popescu: honestly, i've yet to meet a woman (not mayo-gendered abominations, i've really not met any nor do i intend to) that actually hated men. there's a very mean streak in women generally, but visible with the naked eye in just some, where they truly and irationally haet beta boys, for some definition of beta that may be at first confounding.

mircea_popescu: i guess it boggles his mind because it makes a point he doesn't wish to hear. anyway, race has exactrly nothing to do with it : woman can either be my slave, out to carve your empire into the dust, or one of the empire's own aspirationally-vacuous wastes of flesh, brigading social media so that maybe it has some effect on reality.

mircea_popescu: and, notably, we don't even know generational re-bitcoin is actually such a bad idea. it's true that some, few and far between, old people have relevancy for young people, and that a minority of teens will gladly spread for a VERY thin minority of "come see my new movie. with catherine zeta jones. raaa!"

mircea_popescu: (inflation has important implications in dampening the generational conflict, see http://trilema.com/2015/the-rainmaker/#footnote_1_63948 etc)

mircea_popescu: it just reproduces the same generational conflict that's present in society ever since forever.

mircea_popescu: but, and this general point remains, you don't get to, nor should you, exclude operational costs from efficiency calculations. after you factor in the $500 to replace your favourite pair of pants you always just so happen to be wearing at the time, plus the inconvenience at billable hour cost etc, suddenly the idea to switch to "modern, energy saving, efficient" bulbs looks a lot closer to the insanity it is. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: not like it wouldn't have been trivially easy for me to avoid the charge, if i felt like it. so than then what, random internet tard would have created a DIFFERENT rationalization as to why i'm bad ?

mircea_popescu: (this, incidentally, is the aspirational 2nd eigen state for "art", as hoped-for by various [failed, necessarily] artistes throughout the ages.)