BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Dragging because no withdrawals! http://qntra.net/2017/02/pboc-coordinates-action-among-chinese-fiatbitcoin-interfaces-again-anti-money-laundering-being-pushed/
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform picked up umd noosepaper, literally 9 of 10 articles are 'oh noez tritler' or 'not enough expulsions of accused fratrapists!' or similar
asciilifeform: 'student rally demands more diversity training'
BingoBoingo: How are those headlines any different from last February's? (They aren't!)
BingoBoingo: 4 More Years!!!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last year's had clitler-pushing
BingoBoingo: Same flavor
mircea_popescu: lol i'm sure STUDENTS demand more wasted money.
asciilifeform: 'students'
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't hjappen to be the five pointless, witless susan fowlers at the uni.
mircea_popescu: it's "students". you know, like dependopotamus' "children demand moar cheese"
asciilifeform: 5000
asciilifeform: it's where ~most of the moneys go.
asciilifeform: in other noose, https://archive.is/kHDKB << usg nails ru u.n. ambassador.
mircea_popescu: it's pretty incredible that putin is sitting down for all this provocation.
ben_vulpes: how's it so terribly obvious that this is a western nailgun job?
mircea_popescu: un is in new york.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, us has been sending nothing but ex-cheerleaders/strippers. current one's a certain nikki do anything)
ben_vulpes: so because it happened in the states the states did it?
mircea_popescu: the usg will have to decide if it claims sovereignity or does not.
mircea_popescu: if it does, it did it. if it does not, good to know.
ben_vulpes: and because high-profile politician, natural causes rule themselves out?
mircea_popescu: how many people do you know who died before 65 suddenly and from unknown causes ?
ben_vulpes: mhm
mircea_popescu: if guy;s a fucking baker with three mortgaqes insurance won't pay out
mircea_popescu: this isn't a baker.
BingoBoingo: At that age almost alway *known" natural causes
mircea_popescu: anyway. i guess the russkis really want to finish the job with the sino-soviet split.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/tYLy1 << in other lulz, 'Search engine companies Google and Bing have signed up to a voluntary code of practice aimed at preventing users from visiting' 1337 w4r3z.
ben_vulpes: > illegal sites
ben_vulpes: a website can be illegal, dontcha know.
ben_vulpes: preserve hollywood's eroding margins! outlaw basic arithmetic!
mircea_popescu: "illegal" is rapidly becoming a set item with "our democracy" and "human rights" etc to simply denote the current embodiment of racism.
mircea_popescu: "illegal" ie what non-ustards do outside the bezzlewalls.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4B121F84D3C861137075F53C350BC101103595324AE305E09B1BBC3965252D1E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1356...6717 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (v103.httpwork.org. TR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4B121F84D3C861137075F53C350BC101103595324AE305E09B1BBC3965252D1E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1561...6163 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (v103.httpwork.org. TR)
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2017/yankee-doodle-henry-part-i/ << The Whet - Yankee Doodle Henry, Part I
asciilifeform: meanwhile, front page of today's beobachter was 'trump mentioned terrorism in sweden, swedes have no idea what he was on about' -- while cars burn in stockholm
BingoBoingo: Malmo, more like Ma-lol-mo
BingoBoingo: hanbot: ty for Henry the SADFAG
BingoBoingo: !!up veen
deedbot: veen voiced for 30 minutes.
veen: greetings republicans
veen: long-time listener, first-time caller
BingoBoingo: Welcome, keep coming back. It works when you work it.
BingoBoingo: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
veen: i suppose today ben_vulpes is my honorary daddy, his doings are well-known in these parts
BingoBoingo: Congrats ben_vulpes you've got another mouth to feed
veen: i've been enjoying this little stitch-n-bitch from afar, thought i might indulge in the pick-a-little talk-a-little
BingoBoingo: !!key veen
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/1D025EF042F9A50A7159C01CF6AC75A1CE3415E4.asc
BingoBoingo: brb
veen: the cathedral commenting on milo's downright-clintonian, hair-splitting defense of his pederasty practice:
veen: http://archive.is/QLSAy << "'Pedophilia is not a sexual attraction to somebody 13 years old who is sexually mature. Pedophilia is attraction to children who have not reached puberty,' [Yiannopoulos] adds, dismissing the fact that 13-year-olds are children.”
veen: > the fact
mircea_popescu: well, historically pedophilia is a sort of homosexuality. it got a little coopted to mean "children", it really is little boys.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah. just like "brits" have no idea what rotterham is all about.
mircea_popescu: libertards' pipedream chiefly consists of this deranged notion that i must seek and obtain his permission to know things. it wasn't on wikipedia therefore it mayn't exist.
mircea_popescu: !!key veen
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/1D025EF042F9A50A7159C01CF6AC75A1CE3415E4.asc
mircea_popescu: !!rate veen 1 maybe not retarded.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/9hEUH/?raw=true
veen: mircea_popescu: indeed, and milo understands this. the nyt's obstinate refusal to entertain the distinction is so very quaint
mircea_popescu: which milo is this ?
veen: milo, son of mr t., regent of brietbart, premier of getting deleted from twitter, &c, &c
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-15#1201764 ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-07-15 01:53 danielpbarron: mats> NATO would also presumably be happy to sell their enemies ammo for the right price << reminds me of Milo from Catch-22
mircea_popescu: oh the twitter famous dude.
veen: aye
mircea_popescu: oh btw ben_vulpes BingoBoingo watched (bout half hour of) cringe. it's basically http://trilema.com/2016/tangerine/ except the junkie is "male" rather than "female".
mircea_popescu: entirely beyond me why there'd be two of these seeing how there's no need for one.
ben_vulpes: ohai veen
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what is this cringe?
mircea_popescu: crank
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dja know the guy ?
trinque: for all this crowing about "this is who I am", these milo types almost always got diddled as a kid by somebody.
trinque: surely these things are unrelated.
mircea_popescu: well... for all the crowing about "this is who i am", these heterosexual females almopst always got diddled as a kid by somebody also.
mircea_popescu: kinda how womanhood becomes, neh ?
mircea_popescu: "oh my god, AND HE HAS A CAR"
trinque: sure, but I'm not asking the guy who lost the race what he thinks acceptable males look like
mircea_popescu: i thought he's discussing what he thinks acceptable female-impersonating malkes look like
mircea_popescu: then again i'm entirely unfamiliar with the no doubt extensive (in 140 byte increments) body of work in question.
trinque: not missing anything
trinque: !!rate veen 3
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hasdQ/?raw=true
trinque: !!v DD3472A1125220A83FDB9923181669D61BE07F317D0813F0561204D105AE9EFB
deedbot: trinque rated veen 3
trinque: ^ gentleman in ben_vulpes' meatwot, smart fella.
mircea_popescu: is this the $bizpartner in logs ?
trinque: yep, I'll otherwise let ben_vulpes make intros
mircea_popescu: well good you fellows said something, because $next out of my mouth was going to be something along the lines of "hey, since you're so voluble but clearly nontechnical, how about you write something for qntra".
trinque: lol
BingoBoingo: Hey, write something for qntra anyway before you go touching tech knobs
mircea_popescu: not a bad approach altogether.
mircea_popescu: should be a step in between "hi" and "ok, go write your own v implementation / log bot". "write the news, man" could work as well.
ben_vulpes: aye, that's him
ben_vulpes: runs a tight ship, i'm proud to serve with the man.
mircea_popescu: so what's he, like the business mind in that cascadian outfit of yours ?
BingoBoingo: He prolly does everything while ben_vulpes maeks baby and IRC's
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wonder how you think babies are made bb.
ben_vulpes: clearly you staple them together from human parts one finds at walmart
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: after four years of constant close collaboration we're pretty hot swappable
mircea_popescu: how porny did that sound!
ben_vulpes: it's real gay
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> clearly you staple them together from human parts one finds at walmart << You spray a big glob of expanding foam and then gab hammer to smith glob into baby shape
trinque: thought it was that pink slime they use at mcdonalds
BingoBoingo: Pink slime spoils eventually, polyurethane endures. Makes weather resistant baby
mircea_popescu: this discussion is oddly in line with the latest trilema.
ben_vulpes: anyways, the man stands on his own feet.
BingoBoingo: !~later tell veen Please 2 submit a Qntra piece on clozure's connections to the Pizza Pedos
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: dude be seriouse!
BingoBoingo: Gotta take Lord vulpes at his word!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: going to watch westworld instead of the statham crap anytime soon?
mircea_popescu: i tried. meh.
mircea_popescu: where ed harris / anthony hopkins go to die ;/
ben_vulpes: you didn't even like the whores?!
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/mps-wonderful-primary-school-furniture-item-idea/ << Trilema - MP's wonderful primary school furniture item idea
mircea_popescu: which whores ?
ben_vulpes: a quick skim of something purporting to be a script for ep1 suggests they don't show up in episode one!
mircea_popescu: you don't mean the rail skin bitchy dorks in the texas bar pretending to be "in the wild west" do you ?
ben_vulpes: yeah dems
hanbot: mircea_popescu would prolly like it better in reverse sequence, but damage's prolly done
mircea_popescu: you've got to be kidding me.
ben_vulpes: quite a bit of whorin and dyin
mircea_popescu: here's the thing ben_vulpes : that item is contrived, badly, because made by people who have absolutely no life experience beyond the water cooler and no substantial understanding of anything, and i do mean anything, including their own feet.
ben_vulpes: hanbot: alas
mircea_popescu: now, to best explain this point, we will look at what lays closest to home. so : the relationship between the "machiavellian" advertising dork and the "professional" ceo woman or w/e she is
mircea_popescu: DOES NOT WORK!
mircea_popescu: there's a whole lot of bickering, pointless and evidently there for the needs of inept script writers who "we didn't know how to write for a woman", except thye don't know how to write for powerful people, or ambitious people, or in general people. notwithstanding they maintain delusions of belonging to some/all those categories.
mircea_popescu: this same problem is present throughout. those whores don't work, at all, much like whatever engine your kid will make in two years won't work.
mircea_popescu: what varies is how obvious it is, but at the core, the whole thing is someone's splooge spread out on a napkin pretending to be "an idea". it's not an idea, partly because it doesn't use ink, and partly because those aren't letters.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, archive.is outage.
asciilifeform: these are becoming a regular thing.
mircea_popescu: lol that name is so well chosen. "archive.is outage!"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: oya, those are the worst scenes
ben_vulpes: dunno who'd watch ww for anything other than the rape, titties, and watching the robots suffer through endless reincarnations sort-of remembering things
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/mps-wonderful-primary-school-furniture-item-idea/#comment-121385
mircea_popescu: would have helped if they didn't PUT the worst scenes in there at all.
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's like going to a brothel where this petite asian DOES suck your cock on her knees looking up, however the whole place reeks of cabbage stu and there's a naggy old woman always heard in the background.
asciilifeform: aaand it's back, https://archive.is/NsL47 << looks like usg tested $wunderwaffen on kjn ; then satisfied that 0 detection; then zapped ambassador churkin with same.
mircea_popescu: possibru.
asciilifeform: 'Determining whether poison killed the half brother of North Korea’s leader in a busy airport is proving difficult for Malaysian officials, who said on Tuesday that autopsy results have so far been inconclusive. ... Kim did not suffer a heart attack and had no puncture wounds, such as those a needle would have left ... '
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it's an american cultural artifact ca. 2016; let us marvel that the scriptwriters were allowed to ship the scene where ed harris drags blondie into a shed by her hair
mircea_popescu: i kinda went through a whole pile of this in the 80s, tyvm but i didn't think it was very good back then, either.
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit what half-assed performance dumbass delivers "within the constraints of her education"
mircea_popescu: naked on the street, now.
ben_vulpes: well see that's your problem, you have standards and a breadth of experience and shit
mircea_popescu: yeah, that'd be it.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/bjvxr << oven candidates rehearse for oven
ben_vulpes: all americans have is this vague conviction that nothing is good, and that some things are less shite than others.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/4WtAT << goes with previous. mr.t is being set up as '“The President’s sudden acknowledgement is a Band-Aid on the cancer of anti-Semitism that has infected his own administration,” Steven Goldstein, executive director of the Anne Frank Center ...'
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is an anne frank center.
trinque: Trump used a morning visit to the Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History and Culture to offer his condemnation << wahaha, "what group of whiners is this again? oh whatever"
mircea_popescu: we should probably make a barrack obama center.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they did, they called it 'museum of african american history'
asciilifeform: massive brutalist box in formerly empty space near washington monument
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what "they" think they did.
mircea_popescu: we make it. proper-like.
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jpFUQ/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and in other 2014s, http://trilema.com/2014/a-humble-proposal-to-bitcoin-miners/
asciilifeform: sooooooo.... ACHTUNG, PANZERS! i found ~one~ heretofore-undiscovered cause of black hole:
shinohai: >.>
asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=0.6.1rc1#2691 << prb 0.6.1rc1 introduced a 'heartbeat' mechanism, where a prb node seeing ver. > 60000 ( see http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/version.h?v=0.6.1rc1#0045 ) sends 'pings' and expects back 'pong'
asciilifeform: so they see trb set to, e.g., 99999 (as mine, for instance, are) and goes ping,ping,ping,motherfucker,ping,ping,whywontchapong
asciilifeform: this soaks up precious single-threaded sockets...
asciilifeform: box falls behind, loses peers, begins to sink into classical blackhole behaviour (as it gets dropped by everybody, including fellow trb nodes)
mircea_popescu: i thought we had thread re filtering out prb pings
asciilifeform: did we?!
asciilifeform: link plox?
mircea_popescu: ugh
asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu's old node declared 60000 compatibility. so it probably gets same treatment from prb peers
asciilifeform: did it 'pong' back ? or drop'em ? or wat.
mircea_popescu: well now i can't fucking find it. obviously.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it drops them. and i am pretty clearly remembering we talking about this in the early days of trb and foundation
mircea_popescu: (it drops them = it simply discards the pings)
asciilifeform: well we also right now discard the pings.
asciilifeform: but what this results in is a deadweight peer
asciilifeform: because ~he~ 1) sits on the socket + 2) won't talk
asciilifeform: enough of these, and you get one type of blackhole.
mircea_popescu: nah, the actual peer doesn't get them
asciilifeform: he doesn't get a 'pong' back, and so sits there like idiot
asciilifeform: doing nothing and occupying socket.
asciilifeform: eventually he disconnects, but does not add us to his ban list, and so the process repeats, ad infinitum.
mircea_popescu: we add him to ours though
asciilifeform: we could.
asciilifeform: could simply add anybody who emits a 'ping' to banlist.
mircea_popescu: this pingdom thing is an inadvertent marker for cowboy node
mircea_popescu: (ie, not infrastructural element)
trinque: ping is not already considered a heathen command?
asciilifeform: trinque: as a matter of fact, no: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#2097 << it was grandfathered in
asciilifeform: in the sense that i left lines 2097..2099 live, when introduced 'malleus'
asciilifeform: it is possible to remove'em, trivially. this will result in banning 'pingers' and a hard break with prbnet.
trinque: ah yep, there it is
mircea_popescu: it won't actually break with prbnet, mostly because prbnet is not actually run on prb nodes. they just connect to it.
mircea_popescu: sort-of how apple doesn't run osx on whatever servers the ipads connect to.
asciilifeform: whatthehell is 'prbnet' if not the swamp of prb nodes.
mircea_popescu: "lightning network"
asciilifeform not familiar
mircea_popescu: basically sometime in 2014 the fake bitcoin dorks discovered that their "technology" doesn't work, and sort-of split it into "the working part" and "the frontend part". they evolved undesignedly sort-of independetly, now there's a shambling abomination and a writhing horror.
mircea_popescu: at that point, the writhing horror (which you think of as prb) had about 10x as many loc as trb does ; by now it's 100x.
mircea_popescu: the shambling abomination started life as this "optimization" by blue mat that others (esp the ones trying to have shit work, rather than engaged in pure github livejournalry) clung on to. but then it got discontinued
mircea_popescu: so various almost working assemblaged got ad-hoced in its place.
mircea_popescu: the poor situation of the shambling abomination is the deep reason for repeated humiliations delivered recently to blockchain.info for instance.
mircea_popescu: it's approaching breaking point, evidently.
mircea_popescu: as the "business" (in the sense of pretending to sv vc, that sorty of thing) portion of the larger prb ecosystem is running into a very marked bitcoin winter (recall, bitpay axed most of the crew a year ago), the ramen support for the "tech" side of prb (various mendacious scumbags like luke-jr, assorted imbeciles like taaki or that idiot who emailed the entire customer base the email addresses of the entire customer base, "p
mircea_popescu: hantomcircuit") find it harder and harder to cling on to their pretense actively.
mircea_popescu: ie, we survived summer of forks, wheel turned, now they hafta survive winter of dorks. dun look so well for them, but we see.
mircea_popescu: i think that about covers it. questions ?
asciilifeform: to revisit upstack, i set up tcpdump on blackholed dulap and recorded
asciilifeform: found quite a few wtf
asciilifeform: for instance, some nodes send 'multipings',
asciilifeform: single message containing 3,4,5 pings !
asciilifeform: for instance.
mircea_popescu: this is (at least by my lights) the result of running node on vps. interface optimizes the message on the outbound
mircea_popescu: "gaming server" etc.
asciilifeform: entirely possible
asciilifeform: the other interesting tidbit is that a blackhole node is often spoken to (by would-be peers) but never once speaks
mircea_popescu: if you recall during the original blackhole debate, this was the argument in favour of "at fault is the broken node code"
asciilifeform: something that was sent to it, much earlier, gums up the works
veen: BingoBoingo: at which address are qntra submissions accepted?
mircea_popescu: veen do it like so : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616161☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 17:03 shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jpFUQ/?raw=true
shinohai: oooh a new Qntra contributor?
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG, PANZERS!
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000248.html
trinque: lel, was just building teh snip-snippy myself
trinque: we'll see what it does to deedbot
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/02/21/oh-coloured-wings-riding-winds-of-change-hello/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Oh coloured wings riding winds of change. Hello!
mircea_popescu: trinque should be more interesting to see what it does to mimisbrunnr
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do try the above patch, may actually bring you back above waterline.
trinque: deedbot does lag time to time
trinque: I just keep tabs on it and give it a restart when
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: but he was benchmarking "who hears tx first" and that type of thing
ben_vulpes: heh hadn't gotten to "who hears tx first", that'll need umpteen nodes to do properly unless i misread the situation.
asciilifeform: dulap now operating with 'goodbye, pingers'.
trinque: I wonder if it'd be useful for deedbot to say a txid when sending.
trinque: for other folks to note time until seen
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the sort of thing i had i nmind : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-09#1580799☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 22:55 ben_vulpes: blockchain.info falling behind?
mircea_popescu: trinque can't hurt, if it knows its txid at that point
asciilifeform: i will now also confirm that a goodbye-pingers node still receives blocks.
ben_vulpes: neato asciilifeform, i will get this into rotation
asciilifeform: kako can put this in his pipe, and smoke it.
ben_vulpes: in re "nobody over there even does anything"?
mircea_popescu: there's a pipe ?
asciilifeform: in re 'if you won't talk to prb, you won't hear from miners' thing.
ben_vulpes: ah
trinque: seems to me you'd end up closer to miners
trinque: circumventing the swamp
ben_vulpes: no but no trinque miners run cutting edge stuff only
mircea_popescu: prb.wh != prb.sa != miner.backbone
mircea_popescu: originally, miner code got split off the main satoshi base sometime in 2011. there was a lot of back and forth between pre-trb prb node code and the node code miners used, but not that much in the past few years.
asciilifeform: btw dulap will appear to be blackholed from pov of everybody else, for probably hour or more, as it is catching up with blocks
asciilifeform: and, recall, single-threaded idiocy
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, hn twofer: "don't tell anyone that tls doesn't even work" http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-and-mozillas-message-to-av-and-security-firms-stop-trashing-https/ and "sam altman looks outside" http://blog.samaltman.com/what-i-heard-from-trump-supporters
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, jurov , and anybody else still running old prb nodes for whatever reasons of their own -- note that you will no longer be able to connect to dulap. (or to zoolag, when i patch it. or to anybody else who includes this patch.)
asciilifeform: ProcessMessage(alert, 168 bytes) FAILED << lel, somebody still sending these
asciilifeform: (they, like other nonsense, get malleus'd)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the alert they're trying to send?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'll answer this when i eat the current pcap
asciilifeform: (it is very much a manual, batched process.)
ben_vulpes: idle curiosity, don't let it block important stuffs
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is a slow-burning project of mine in its own right -- to determine what the fuck EXACTLY these things are doing, when they go 'blackhole'
asciilifeform: and also to answer several other itching questions of mine
asciilifeform: e.g., do new valid blocks come 'from everywhere', or consistently from a few places.
ben_vulpes: also excellent question
asciilifeform: or, how much time does trb node spend rejecting crapolade from same idiots again and again
asciilifeform: or, what portion of tx are valid, and what portion -- obvious nonsense
ben_vulpes: it should be doable to 'getpeers' from the nodes from which a trb gets a block and then attempt to traverse upstream, no?
asciilifeform: or, what portion of mempool actually makes it into blocks
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: getaddr
asciilifeform: but yes, for instance.
asciilifeform: to continue: what portion of cpu time is spent verifying ultimately invalid blocks?
asciilifeform: what portion of network bandwidth is taken up by crapola ?
asciilifeform: is there a consistent set of peers who 'prank call' (dial and won't speak) ?
asciilifeform: and a number of other conundrums, that really ought not to be conundrums this far in.
ben_vulpes: feel free to jot the rest down lol
asciilifeform: i have listed the imho most interesting, above.
asciilifeform: other folx ( particularly mircea_popescu ) may also be interested in tx propagation, but i am unequipped to test this.
ben_vulpes: i don't mind the arcana, it's what a holistic understanding's made of
asciilifeform: (given as i generate a tx perhaps yearly)
asciilifeform: in other lelz, 'The White House repeatedly refused to mention Jews in its Holocaust remembrance, and had the audacity to take offense when the world pointed out the ramifications of Holocaust denial.'
asciilifeform: in other noose, as discussed earlier ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577994 ) >> https://archive.is/AVO23 << autodesk bought and destroyed 'eagle', the only fully functioning pcb cad for linux.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-05 16:54 mircea_popescu: i can't even recall who was in cadsoft prior to sale.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/02/dream-market-yet-another-darknet-market-accounts-compromised/ << Qntra - Dream Market (Yet another Darknet Market) Accounts Compromised
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Bastard 0.7 ish node corrected will patch trb nodes at convenient time, tyvm
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1116.56, vol: 8652.47831716 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1079.997, vol: 7554.2308 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1120.1, vol: 29084.22992281 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1060.688547, vol: 8393.38810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1118.448, vol: 2802.65060397 | Volume-weighted last average: 1105.28471892
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, https://archive.is/Bwz53 >> 'Now, if a suspect receives drugs by post — which he denies he ordered — the police can go over his bitcoin transaction history and see whether he has sent bitcoins to anyone recently.'
asciilifeform: hey if bits-on-a-disk-in-police-custody can count as 'evidence' of anything else -- why not this.
asciilifeform: and if the bits are not the right bits -- they can 'help'.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lulzy pieces. they kind of remind me of 1980s items.
asciilifeform: as they currently 'help' in cp cases.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> to continue: what portion of cpu time is spent verifying ultimately invalid blocks? <<< yes, yes and yes, altogether a proper STATs module should very much be part of stock trb, and very helpful if it were.
mircea_popescu: this directly links into the "garage chemistry = the fundamental articulation of western world", or, give everyday fellow powerful tools that touch the root of the world.
mircea_popescu is very much in favour.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616286 << hurr durr, nyt & friends still refusing to graduate the You Are Not The World 101 class at the School of Hard Knocks. probably signals the need for special ed, they've been stuck on this entry level subject for years now.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 19:58 asciilifeform: in other lelz, 'The White House repeatedly refused to mention Jews in its Holocaust remembrance, and had the audacity to take offense when the world pointed out the ramifications of Holocaust denial.'
mircea_popescu: apparently one bad usa is africa" track they listened to back in '85 constitutes enough basis to ignore scientific research for these schmucks.
asciilifeform: 'the world pointed out'
asciilifeform: didjaknow.
mircea_popescu: o totally.
mircea_popescu: btw, check out what altman does with his time. does this look like the job of an engineer or the job of a politruk ?
ben_vulpes: altman is supposed to be an engineer?
ben_vulpes: i thought he was a blogger scraped off some other vc firm's shoe
mircea_popescu: who would, upon hitler winning unexpectedly, drop everything he was doing and start "talking to people" ? wernher von braun or joseph goebbels ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes depends who you ask. according to the average 2oish yo "stem" imbecile, he's a role model.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the sheer insanity of this, you know, dork who supposedly "is a ceo" and "we something or the other billions of dollars something or the else other companies corporate business like real men and with suits!!!1" nevertheless has the fucking time to go on campaign trail. and the absence of mind to do it AFTER the election.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/02/yiannopoulos-quits-media-giant-breitbart/ << Qntra - Yiannopoulos Quits Media Giant Breitbart
trinque: lol, first flynn, now teh 'dangerous faggot'
trinque: left is on the move, people!
trinque: what impotent losers.
mircea_popescu: oh noes ?
trinque: I suppose next they'll egg George W's house
mircea_popescu: or nearly egg it, feel very intensely like egging it
mircea_popescu: #wedidntdoanythingtoday
BingoBoingo: 4srs, about time Milo went independent again
mircea_popescu: what does he do when he's independent ?
BingoBoingo: Starts own MicroBart
mircea_popescu: is he old enough for this ?
BingoBoingo: He started some tech rag "The Kernel" he sold to DailyDot
mircea_popescu: the cuban model ?
BingoBoingo: Then he let his politics flag fly. Should have the money to do it.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: oh and to get back on the qntra topic : that the molested child enjoys the experience is neither shocking nor that uncommon.
BingoBoingo: Still, big media that hates frat-rape is denying victim his lived experience!
mircea_popescu: a good chunk of the "psychological damage" of what's known in the us as "child molestation" and in the rest of the world, both geographically and historically as nothing in particular has to do with the batshit insane reaction of the environment. substantially the EXACT same cause driving psychological damage in "abused children" as used to drive psychological damage in "mentally ill" aka homosexuals. it did get turing to kil
mircea_popescu: l himself.
mircea_popescu: hence all the discussions re "fags got their weddings, pedos are next".
mircea_popescu: the similarities are quite marked.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and funnily enough they don't CALL IT THAT, either.
BingoBoingo: Well, what can they do without vocabulary?
mircea_popescu: it's not just a case of "it's our democracy when we do it and corruption when russia does it" ; the linguistic shenanigans are at the very core of libertard program. "it's denying victim their living experience when you tell susan j fowler or whatever other coreboot-broad-of-the-day that she's just not very birhgt and didn't work very hard ; but it's nothing when dangerous homosexual etc"
mircea_popescu: at this point it is strictly impossible to distinguish between us "progressive" and a woman that's been locked into a house with preteens for too long and simply snapped and lost her mind.
danielpbarron would rather see pedo marriage than homo marriage
mircea_popescu: pedo marriage still the norm, go to india, the middle east, wherever.
mircea_popescu: 12 brides exceed 21 yo brides by a large margin.
ben_vulpes: atlantic even did a piece on a victorian child bride recently
ben_vulpes: "queer victorians" or some such
mircea_popescu: right, everyone's grandmother got married at 12 also.
trinque: pedo tends to mean quite a bit younger, eh?
mircea_popescu: in whose usage ?
danielpbarron: ban divorce and it isn't "pedo marriage" -- she grows up eventually
trinque: that's actually the claim dangerous fag guy made which causes teh scandal
trinque: "pubescent != pedo"
danielpbarron: scandal only because it can't be about fertility or else homosexuality is similarly wrong
mircea_popescu: there is that.
ben_vulpes: hence the magic number (18!!!) with exceptions (unless you're both under 18! except if we want to try you as an adult!)
ben_vulpes: sad inevitability of governing by numbers.
mircea_popescu: the magic number 18 has a lot more to do with historical extraction. people wanted to get work out of children ; there's a soft spot where the uncastrated animal becomes more trouble than it's worth.
mircea_popescu: since they weren't about to start castrating boys (mostly because the crown wouldn't let them ; otherwise us southerners very much DID, and would again if could) they had to give up on them at some point and let those "indentured" servant "contracts" expire.
mircea_popescu: "how old does he have to be before the risk of punching you out, burning your house and fucking your wife and daughter outweighs whatever useful labour you may extract out of him" is scarcely a cogent basis for discussing how old must be the girl before you can buy her.
danielpbarron: heh so not child abuse but "hey! stop trying to get my farm equipment pregnant!"
mircea_popescu: nah, it was never about the girls.
mircea_popescu: and generally - the proposition that females mattered at any point in human history, no matter the circumstance or perspective, is laughable.
mircea_popescu: no law was made by women or for women ; no conflict was with women or about women, on it goes. the ancient complaint that "media fails to ~DEPICT~ the struggles of women and the impact of women" is so much charade. history fails to record because reality fails to contain. so media has to fail to depict if it cares to stay sane.
mircea_popescu: and if it doesn't care to stay sane, the result is inevitably crank and tangerine.
danielpbarron: poetic
trinque: there is a very plain consideration on when pregnancy is going to sap energy otherwise allocated to maturation
trinque: if we're talking about utility
mircea_popescu: this hasn;'t anything to do with it as far as i can see. ironically women are more mature by whatever metric - aware, dependable, etc. in all times and places, broadly speaking.
mircea_popescu: the issue is that women are adaptable, men are not. you understand how this works ?
trinque: sure, men are, then go out and die or not
mircea_popescu: no i mean the economics of flexibility.
mircea_popescu: a commonly discussed example is that "everything in us consumer market is kosher, including $random item for exemplification". then there's some o wow, kosher eaters are a fraction of 1% of the whole market.
mircea_popescu: the mechanics is that kosher eaters WILL NOT eat non-kosher ; whereas everyone else will eat whatever.
mircea_popescu: as keeping two sets of $item has significant costs, it is cheaper to just make everything kosher.
asciilifeform: mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com down??
mircea_popescu: this is why merely TOLERATING vegetarians is insanity if you like meat. you eating either their soy or a steak while they ONLY eat soy will ENSURE you will not be able to eat meat.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yes
asciilifeform: aite
mircea_popescu: so do not simply tolerate a vegetarian. either kick her out or beat her up.
ben_vulpes: an eyebrow should suffice.
mircea_popescu: well, economics dun care.
ben_vulpes: instead of a thrashing i mean.
mircea_popescu: yes, yes. you'll find out if it sufficed or not at the other end.
ben_vulpes looks, sees no more vegetarians in his house
mircea_popescu: this is incidentally why "irrational behaviour!! murder!! common graves!!!". because of exactly the above, economics dun care, so the inborn reflex is to overdo and make sure, rather than find out it didn't take on the other end.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes speaking of house, the BEST THING father can do for his daughter, aged 9 to 19, is make sure she has abundant, clean protein available. no meal without salmon, fine beef, shrimp, pump her full of 100g of protein a day.
ben_vulpes: yeah. eyebrow only works if it implies "how to deliver punishment"
asciilifeform: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-08#1319688☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-11-08 03:33 asciilifeform: in the words of mr mold, 'death is quicker, cheaper, simpler, and more persuasive than persuasion'
mircea_popescu: it adds a solid two inches to her legs.
ben_vulpes: s-sauce?
mircea_popescu: hm ?
ben_vulpes: how do you know this, and also what does it do to boys
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: best documented example is the japanese subway
mircea_popescu: does the same to boys lol. nutrition is important to kids. and nutrition means meat.
asciilifeform: which had to enlarge chairs, train ceilings, whole shebang, in 1960s
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: because of increased protein intake i gather?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im reeling in shock of having been asked to document this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same
asciilifeform: 'mouse in evacuated jar dies' 'sauce?'
ben_vulpes: just cutting through decades of nutritive malinformation over here
trinque: well, and find meat without hormones or toxic sludge throughout, go on
mircea_popescu: kids must have abundant food and very little fastcrap.
mircea_popescu: trinque there is that, yes.
mircea_popescu has seen this time and again, IN POINT OF FACT, experimentally, throughout his 15 years!!!! of slavekeeping career. "our democracy" western girl shows up, shorter than she could have been and fattier than she should be. switches to sane diet, her fat turns out "resistant" because hey, body used it as burial grounds for all sorts of radioactive waste. eventually it all clears out and her ACTUAL, genotypical body type eme
mircea_popescu: and then she hates her parents.
mircea_popescu: with good cause ; and in a fundamental and unfixable way. "bitch, why didn't you feed me when i was young and needed you to ?"
asciilifeform: holyfuck i am seeing 'ACTION' in '<mircea_popescu> ACTION has seen this time'... but http://btcbase.org/log sees the correct line
mircea_popescu: hm
mircea_popescu now ?
asciilifeform: now the correct
asciilifeform: what changed ?
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mircea_popescu: now ?
asciilifeform: now crapolade
mircea_popescu: dude wtf apparently my client sends a broken char if the line is overlong.
asciilifeform: phf's logger swallows without burping
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mircea_popescu: ugh.
asciilifeform: lel yes, just as described
mircea_popescu: well phf's thing works becsause phf is a smart cookie, but this is just ridiculous.
asciilifeform: in other wtf's, banning pings took dulap from 50+ to 7 peers (1 of which is zoolag), and none of'em seem to know of any block past 454073
asciilifeform: for hours nao.
mircea_popescu: i have nodes locked on that too.
asciilifeform: both of mine, are
mircea_popescu: there's something iffy with that block, i've not yet looked into it.
asciilifeform: it is why i asked after mimisbrunnr
asciilifeform: wanted to examine 454074.
asciilifeform: does anybody have 454074 on a spitblock-capable node ?
ben_vulpes: my node is entirely locked up atm
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ? jurov ?
ben_vulpes: well, the node to which mimisbrunnr's attached.
asciilifeform: aah
mircea_popescu: 74 is actually overfull. it might not even verify. 999.968kb
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nah, e.g., 454047, was larger.
mircea_popescu: it's not strictly the size, just a broad indicator.
asciilifeform: then which
mircea_popescu keeps waiting for one of these "optimized" blocks that finally breaks hell loose.
asciilifeform: sigops ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Stalled out on new blocks after pingpatch 454094 is last new block
mircea_popescu: i have nfi. if i had a clue i'd say
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: that is long past my wedgepoint
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's where I wedged after pingpatch
mircea_popescu: anyway, btc.com is pretty much a bitcoin attacker by this point, at least in my books.
asciilifeform: my concern is not that there is a boojum in 454074. but that the thin red line connecting my trb nodez to miners are -- apparently -- veeeery thin
ben_vulpes: that node's not wedged but very far behind.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect your node's problem is verification.
mircea_popescu: you just happened to get one of these shitted in while looking for something else.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. it simply hasn't heard a block in ~2 hrs.
mircea_popescu: the exact process that makes this whole pile so difficult to watch.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because it only talks to nodes that are trying to eat that one.
asciilifeform: actually it very often meets a , e.g., version message: version 70002, blocks=454102
asciilifeform: but tells him to go to hell because ping.
mircea_popescu: ah ?
mircea_popescu: ok so then
asciilifeform: hundreds of these, now, in my log.
BingoBoingo: More elegant ping solution may be required
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is not clear to me that there is such a thing as elegant solution, to what may very well be an ecological problem
asciilifeform: i.e. if there is a mass of prb between us and miners.
BingoBoingo: Clear out the space with a pesticide fogger?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu sprayed megatonnes of ddt, the pests -- just got high
mircea_popescu: if only someone invented selective poison for stupid people.
mircea_popescu: but we're not even at the point where mosquitoes were exterminated, so...
mircea_popescu: human civilisation will have to wait.
asciilifeform: btw how come i see 'Unable to decode output address' messages at blockchain.info ? i thought they had latest weirdo addr prb system
asciilifeform: for p2sh etc.
mircea_popescu: possibly fuzzer txn.
ben_vulpes: (because everyone reads the logs?)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're in a block
mircea_popescu: so ?
asciilifeform: e.g., https://blockchain.info/block/000000000000000000f8f669ea6bc02e5a5d8b93a44fb39f1ef6cb355d20c01b
mircea_popescu: the crap that ends up into blocks would astound oyu.
BingoBoingo: My problem of the now is connecting to nodes with a higher blockheight than I
asciilifeform: thus far i have not found anything in 454074 that is not in quite recently earlier blox
asciilifeform: (any kind of thing, rather)
mircea_popescu: me either.
mircea_popescu: anyway, off to dinner.
asciilifeform: dulap down to 4.
asciilifeform: right now this is not even a very interesting wtf. it may however become interesting if a miner decides to sit down on trb island.
asciilifeform: and forkulate.
ben_vulpes: node attached to mimisbrunnr is stuck at 454003
asciilifeform: that'd be quite a bit earlier
ben_vulpes: aye, can't quite see why it'd be stuck there
asciilifeform: how long has it sat there, ben_vulpes ?
ben_vulpes: node has only recently begun responding to rpc calls
asciilifeform: ( and are you equipped to answer this q accurately )
ben_vulpes: and no i am not.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: a node that is not responding to rpc is nearly always simply catching up on massive backlog of blox
ben_vulpes: it would be feasible to chart time density of log statements
asciilifeform: during which it invariably loses all peers but the one supplying said blocks
ben_vulpes: just saw this in my logs: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2HMaz/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aya, the odd thing by my read is that it is responding to rpc calls but hasn't found from whom to get the rest of the blocks
asciilifeform: aaaaand we've got 454074.
ben_vulpes: or lol hadn't until right now
asciilifeform: and ..75.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Stepped away from node and it started catching up again
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was finally eaten i see
mircea_popescu: ah yeah, there.
asciilifeform: the other major disgrace is that i have no way to make, e.g., zoolag and dulap NEVER MOTHERFUCKING BREAK UP
asciilifeform: there is literally no mechanism for this, nor is it a simple retrofit.
mircea_popescu: that'll be a while AFTER getting the readable source.
asciilifeform: the 'all monkeys are equal' idiocy is deeply baked in.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it'd have to be after abolishing the polled socket thing entirely, and salting the earth where it stood, and cleansing with napalm for good measure
asciilifeform: i.e. 'trb-i'
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why bitcoin would EVEN INCLUDE networking code.
mircea_popescu: bitch, handle the buffers. let someone who knows what they're doing do the networking for you.
asciilifeform: ^^^
mircea_popescu: but such is the pain that comes with "lalala can't hear you unless you have a prototype", which is the swamp satoshi had the misfortune of being born into.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is typical of amateur programmers esp of the windows variety to sorely misrepresent the immense bojum networtking is.
asciilifeform: consider how on winblowz the proposition of 'separate out the network code' is not even practical to contemplate.
mircea_popescu: yep
veen: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-21#1616505 << a long-standing wtf in my mind☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-21 23:35 mircea_popescu: i have nfi why bitcoin would EVEN INCLUDE networking code.
BingoBoingo: Also there may be more bogum from getdata command. Apparently ver greater than 60002 "opts-in" to "enhanced" version
asciilifeform: meanwhile in lulzistan, https://archive.is/Io6p8 >> '...Apple recently acquired Realface, an up-and-coming Israeli startup with impressive real-time facial recognition software ... Lending credence to rumors that the iPhone 8 may forgo the use of Touch ID in favor of facial recognition, Realface’s software is said to be sophisticated enough... ' << for schmucks who thought 'eh i'll use crapple, with this here plastic camera condom'
asciilifeform: crapple: 'camera always on -- or fuckyou'
asciilifeform: and first crapple, and week later -- turdroid.
BingoBoingo: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1641/commits/05a85b2b38d516a8701f684fcd2ab99f3e5b462d
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: these get banhammered
asciilifeform: (see the logs of any operating trb node)
asciilifeform: ^ or rather, nodes having malleus
asciilifeform: but meanwhile in the monkey cages, https://archive.is/iUfOp >> '“Climate change is not a controversy,” read one sign at yesterday’s “Rally to Stand Up for Science,” which drew hundreds to the historic downtown plaza. ... "We're really trying to send a message today to Mr. Trump that America runs on science, science is the backbone of our prosperity and progress," said Geoffrey Supran, a postdoctoral fellow at Harvard Univer
asciilifeform: sity and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, who studies renewable energy, to the Associated Press.'
asciilifeform: SCIENCEHATESYOU! (tm) (r) (reddit)
asciilifeform: didjaknow.
mircea_popescu: lol fellow at both of them ?
mircea_popescu: and he fails to see the fundamental connection between him supporting "science" and at the same time being postgrad at BOTH of these ?
mircea_popescu: because why, they teach nonsense ? how can he fail to see this ?
mircea_popescu: if it were actual science, the honest to god sort, kvant-science, "you're not smart enough to ride" science, yes it would be at the basis of a country (would it call itself "america" ? why not ?), but it wouldn't be possible for him to pretend what he's pretending.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all the d00d sees, or even wants to see, is the wagonload of cv padding, and the payola stretching bank acct to new decimal places every month
mircea_popescu: how many mathematician-surgeons did you meet in 1987 moscow ?
mircea_popescu: who WERENT barely literate con artists ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well america totally is built on that, no argument there.
asciilifeform: when you read 'fellow at X and at the Y' it means ye olde patronage system, a la tammany hall, d00d collects 2,3,4,5 salaries, while doing ~0
mircea_popescu: no shit.