▁▁▁▁▁⏐︎ 9846
mircea_popescu: da fuck
asciilifeform: wat
mircea_popescu: i have nfi wtf this is.
asciilifeform: fleanode.
mircea_popescu: so apparently whenever i set flags on a luser, it devoices everyone.
asciilifeform: weird.
shinohai: >.>
mircea_popescu: apparently you're supposed to say /mode #trilema +b *!*pablo___@ rather than /msg chanserv FLAGS #trilema *!*pablo___@ +b
mircea_popescu: anyway, this squarely counts as a maintenance item that cost more than not bothering i guess.
mats: mircea_popescu: what can i do to bring the courts-circus project to a close?
mats: thing's still in limbo, i just remembered
phf: ask not what tmsr can do for you
mircea_popescu: no he has a point, lemme see what was with it.
mats: also, anyone remember pj?
phf: i'm just making noise
mats: three years now and nobody has filled her shoes as far as i know
mircea_popescu: ah i remember, you had a solid list but then it turned out there's a bunch of ther judges.
phf: i remember first seeing that speech on a pirated encarta copy i bought in moscow metro pirate shop
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-114841
mircea_popescu: which pj ?
mats: 'pamela johnson', groklaw person
mircea_popescu: mats the major problem is how the fuck does one get an ~actual~ list of all these schmucks.
mats: http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-114900 is my response to hanbot's query about those judges
mats: hanbot was gonna look at it but got caught up in some trb thing
mircea_popescu: no i saw, she threw up some names and you added them, it's very good work. but the point is... are there more ?
mircea_popescu: where did they come from hanbot ?
mircea_popescu: you got alist or something ?
hanbot: yeah mats def did solid work on that thing. dubious if it's complete, dubious how close the measuring could get. mircea_popescu as i recall i googled for related terms, specifically avoiding lists
mircea_popescu: gah
mats: my source of truth was nubbins list, which was based on some judgepedia thing
mats: anyways i'll go back and double check
mircea_popescu: well what the fuck do i do here, the guy has a reasonable stand, but i mean... is this country so orcish it publishes no such thing as a god damned judges list ?
mircea_popescu: it boggles the mind ; they want to issue id to livestock, you can't get a list of "magistrates" ?
mircea_popescu: mats if you manage to dig out some sort of you know, official publication listing them that'd be golden.
phf: probably don't want people to start "making lists"
mircea_popescu: phf not how "democracy" etc works now is it. of course people make lists, they gotta be afraid. very, very afraid.
mircea_popescu: not like I'm gonna be afraid of fucking bureaucrats now wtf.
mircea_popescu: anyway - this is what it was, we had a list of unclear provenance, mats processed it well, then more names were found, and it became a question of, well, gotta make a complete proper list.
mircea_popescu: and in other mews, http://66.media.tumblr.com/f53198b7fe4af57b04275b92aa31aa50/tumblr_mkqb30ar5Z1s9hv2no1_500.gif
hanbot: well worst comes to worst, could be done county by county, seems they all have a list, independently.
hanbot: just over 3k of 'em.
mircea_popescu: uh
mircea_popescu: wait, each county has at least one magistrate in it ?
mircea_popescu: our list is, iirc, ~30 long
mircea_popescu: hanbot mind picking random county for a quick test ?
hanbot: nah can't be one or more per county, gotta be district (94). anyway, sure.
mircea_popescu: so then what's counties to do with all this ?
hanbot: nothing outside my brainfart. ;/
hanbot: anyway, by district
hanbot: northern california for instance yields http://www.cand.uscourts.gov/judges , total of three, and lemme see
mats: http://www.fjc.gov/history/home.nsf/page/export.html
mircea_popescu: if it is the case that 94 districts average between 2 and 3, then it's quite possible that we have ~all or at least most of the list, considering the pretty draconinc age restricons involved.
mats: the csv looks broken though...
mircea_popescu: mats those seem to be proper judges tho, we're looking for the glorified police station detectives aka "magistrate" judges.
hanbot: 2/3 in nocal for instance definitely don't belong, very unlikely on the third
mats: there's a field for 'Bankruptcy and Magistrate service'
hanbot: mircea_popescu would you like all districts or some sample (how many?) checked?
mats: this is a really shit way to organize data
mircea_popescu: hanbot how did you get 3 ? i see 1 + 2 + 2 + 6 = 11
mircea_popescu: o wait, + 2 more.
hanbot: wtf, two distinct groups of em?! why? oh courthouses. ffs, sec.
hanbot: lol
mircea_popescu: there's 13 on that page (eureka courthouse + visiting judge)
hanbot: yeah i'll take a look.
mircea_popescu: mats but allow me to quote, "· The large number of blank fields in most records is to accommodate those judges who have been appointed to multiple judicial positions in the federal courts. This makes the data easier to drop into a spreadsheet program. "
mircea_popescu: clearly, these people understand things as well as matters.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if northern california is the outlier it usually is, we could judge this list to be maybe 3-500 total ? somewhere there, as a guesstimate.
hanbot: all eleven are disqualified.
hanbot: thirteen. motherfucker.
mircea_popescu: o ? but liek details ?
mats: so according to Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, Article 2.09, all judges are magistrates, along with mayors of incorporated cities
mats smashes keyboard
mircea_popescu: no that's a different item
mircea_popescu: it probably deals with pensions etc.
mircea_popescu: mere synonimy my dear mats hold on to your sanity :)
hanbot: twelve appointed after 1993. no info found on the chief, spero's appt date.
mircea_popescu: ah ok.
mats: i got a feeling the list is in the csv, just gotta massage it a bit...
mircea_popescu: possible.
mircea_popescu: spotcheck for the 13 enumerated nocal ones ?
asciilifeform: these here judges aren't in 'plum book', are they ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thye might be
asciilifeform: https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-PLUMBOOK-2012/content-detail.html
mats: some magistrates are appointed by the senate, so could be i believe
mircea_popescu: http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CR/htm/CR.2.htm << lists some crap. but does http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CR/htm/ list the index, like with sane people ? NO! WHY WOULD IT!!1
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 633.6, Best ask: 633.85, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 633.6, 24 hour volume: 48833.73014852, 24 hour low: 614.33, 24 hour high: 667.2, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 26.77796860 * 633.6
gribble: 16966.520905
mircea_popescu: nb.
hanbot: fwiw, here's a couple more: northern ny: 7 mag. judges, all disqualified by appt. date. northern tx: 9 mag. judges, 1 qualifies and is not on list (Clinton Averitte), 7 disqualified by appt. date, 1 no appt. date found.
mircea_popescu: he wasn't appointed, he was just born there.
mircea_popescu: the mess in the paperwork i swear...
mircea_popescu: here's a tidbit asciilifeform will no doubt appreciate : "Turn Self in Program Under this program you may turn yourself in without posting a bond. You are required to br ing 25.00 non refundable fee for each warrant."
asciilifeform: this is glorious
asciilifeform: where is it
asciilifeform: and what can you turn yourself in for ? and is there discount if multiple crimes ?
mircea_popescu: no discount!
asciilifeform: eh.
mircea_popescu: but some warrants don't even qualify!
mircea_popescu: anyway, minnehaha county sheriff information.
asciilifeform: l0l
phf: voluntary impalement, bring own stake
mircea_popescu: phf nah, because a) must be "proper" ie "standard" and b) they already sold out the headcount to a private company
mircea_popescu: so bring $195. in cash.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> the mess in the paperwork i swear... << and that lack of data via northern tx's listing, the best i've seen so far, all other judges have year of appointment and the holy grail, year of birth (inconceivable!), but this Hal R. Ray guy, absolutely nothing. google him, ditto, buncha mugs with the same last name. i suppose he was signed up this morning.
mircea_popescu: maybe he's the secret agent magistrate judge
mircea_popescu: tum- tu-tum- tududududm
BingoBoingo: Who has a $2 pipe wrench soaking in vinegar? This guy!
hanbot: so you know, someone who needs to know this stuff for their job fails, which means someone further down the line idem, no wonder no sense comes out of anything touching the atrocity.
hanbot: and wtf kind of name is Hal R. Ray, even.
mircea_popescu: check it out he absolutely doesn't exist.
phf: BingoBoingo: why vinegar?
BingoBoingo: phf: To remove the rust and leave a black oxide finish in its place.
phf: aah
phf soaks things in gasoline
phf: but i guess that'll remove the finish
BingoBoingo: Well gasoline won't leave an oxide after it breaks through the rust to actual steel
mircea_popescu: he has a kid hal r ray jr who's in phi delta phi, u texas at fort worth
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's wrong with naval jelly
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's hot and I'd have to get in the car to get it. Pipe wrench merely required happy accident of walking past driveway sale.
asciilifeform re-read the alba y yeltes mega-piece for umpteenth time, blames mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: did you folx know that the man wrote 3111117 B00KZ!!
asciilifeform: i would like to read'em
asciilifeform: but they seem to exist in 1 copy each, at the national lib in madrid.
asciilifeform: ( he wrote 2, 1 about 'the atom', other - about how The Answer Lies in the Sewers (tm) (r) )
asciilifeform: ( which piece ? https://core.ac.uk/display/199266 << it )
mircea_popescu: that display is so shitty im not surprised it's on a uk website.
asciilifeform: i posted decrufted ver eons ago
asciilifeform: need a new one ?
mircea_popescu: nah, jus' sayin'
asciilifeform: (it appears to be the closest thing to a biography of the man in any language i can think of)
asciilifeform: do i have to go in person to madrid to get his auto-bio ?
asciilifeform: anyone who has a tip - let's have it.
asciilifeform: ( do we have a man near madrid ? )
mircea_popescu: in other news, five fat old ugly women left the british labour "shadow cabinet"
mircea_popescu: dramaz.
asciilifeform: to be replaced immediately with young, thin, pretty ones ?
mircea_popescu: socialists don't have pretty womenz.
asciilifeform: they dun have plenty of things
asciilifeform: can import.
BingoBoingo: lazy reportage http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/06/26/sacramento-stabbings-violence-clash-national-socialists-anti-fascists/
mircea_popescu: "anti fascists" being a bunch of obnoxious libertards abusing the naivite of this generation's punks.
BingoBoingo: Eh I thought they were just tards who wanted to belong to something.
mircea_popescu: most of them. but it's possibly the subculture most visibly infested by niggers
mircea_popescu: "lgbt" is 2/3 to 4/5ths niggers by mass, the actual people with an actual sexual preference are lost among the aspirants to eating off the treasury.
mircea_popescu: the antifa bs is more in the early stage, 10 to 20 confused kiddies who just want to crack a skull to one "manipulator" derp.
asciilifeform: hey this described ~whole 20th c., blackshirts and all.
BingoBoingo: Part 1 of 5 http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4679
BingoBoingo: $up naughtygirl
deedbot: naughtygirl voiced for 30 minutes.
naughtygirl: hello
BingoBoingo: hello, all of our Romanian millionaires are busy at the moment. if you stick around one will be with you shortly
BingoBoingo: $help
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/help.html
phf: no i don't want yo number no i don't wanna give you mine
BingoBoingo: ^ in the interim you are welcome to register a public key so that you may voice yourself
mircea_popescu: naughtygirl you here for the tits ?
BingoBoingo: $up _FeltPen
deedbot: _FeltPen voiced for 30 minutes.
_FeltPen: Thanks!
BingoBoingo: $up naughtygirl
deedbot: naughtygirl voiced for 30 minutes.
naughtygirl: hey
naughtygirl: so how can i get paid for being a slut?
_FeltPen: oO
mircea_popescu: naughtygirl ah, write hmm
mircea_popescu: write b4b7323f on your tits, take pic.
naughtygirl: https://www.reddit.com/r/gonewild/comments/4pr8gn/f_bend_me_over_and_use_me_like_a_slut/ ☟︎
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, that sacramento thing... weimar republic through and through.
mircea_popescu: next the commies are going to make a "revolutionary army", various right wingers various sb/sa/blabla,
mircea_popescu: then they burn the black people. for being ~12% of the population and "corrupting the youth through their control of media".
mircea_popescu: not to mention you know, drinking baby blood or w/e.
BingoBoingo: $s purple drank
a111: 9 results for "purple drank", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=purple%20drank
BingoBoingo: srsly everything!
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at band camp, http://66.media.tumblr.com/33fbd6f499ffc0a02e0ba50b7b207850/tumblr_o0kukyZSTg1t4kskho1_1280.jpg
trinque: changed $up rules such that L2 can up visitors.
mircea_popescu: win.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "until they IRS gave them a PIN." <
BingoBoingo: ty, fxd
naughtygirl: http://i.imgur.com/aGK34uU.jpg
naughtygirl: http://i.imgur.com/XQuu48W.jpg
mircea_popescu: naughtygirl you'll have to put your head in there. take the other girls for a model.
naughtygirl: i dont really want to show my face
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490744 << no man you miss the point entirely ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-26 15:38 Framedragger: but to suggest that folk from within are in on it, as in usg agents whatnot, is bull. i know that in terms of effects there may not be much of a difference, but whenever you say "prolly controlled burn by those idiots", i want to smack you because those friends are not dumb at all.
ben_vulpes: some non-wot nignogs claim to have written some 'privacy' 'software'
ben_vulpes: mk well they can show up here where we coordinate the /actual fight against statists/ and answer a whole lot of questions
naughtygirl: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/d6gfmim-s.jpg
naughtygirl: that girl didnt show her face
ben_vulpes: and until they have a representative in the forum full-time, they are each and every one gestapo, regardless of how many 'phreedom phighter' claims they make, or their handlers make on their behalf.
ben_vulpes: naughtygirl: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-25#1490517 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-25 19:58 mircea_popescu: it's okay, and i dun recall, but the past is not dispositive. future girl that dun show isn't getting paid.
mircea_popescu: o look ben_vulpes beat me to it.
mircea_popescu: hard to let go huh.
shinohai: ;;ticker --market all
shinohai: y u so slow gribble
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 638.15, vol: 8858.20564152 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 618.997, vol: 7516.92288 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 638.73, vol: 56253.70796753 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 640.545, vol: 1497.28084907 | Volume-weighted last average: 636.696281803
thestringpuller: holy shit is the pound really worth less than euro?
thestringpuller: nvm they are both plummeting. wtf
phf: i'm not quite grokking how this was an unexpected outcome. prices drop because of smaller things and this was a massive price signal. from my naive perspective you have a bunch of people saying "eu sucks" and "britain has standalone economy" both assertions need to be explored and nobody particularly wants to explore them ☟︎
phf: *wanted to ☟︎
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 418218 | Current Difficulty: 2.0945315859538098E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 419327 | Next Difficulty In: 1109 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 57 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 979342349029617653 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Alex Nicoll <anicoll@cert.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E0E519C7D7913CDB68D1FEF058D2C524BB3C9BAFDB87A0A31F8975D9987456D2
asciilifeform: zzzzap
asciilifeform: cert l0l
asciilifeform: flipolade, naturally.
asciilifeform: but didja know, CERT folk attract high-energy particles ?
thestringpuller: i thought that was CERN
adlai: they generate them
asciilifeform wonders when we find the first polonium'd schmuck via his flipolade.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell Framedragger interestingly, not one of your ssh mods has popped yet, despite the historic 0.1% popping rate claimed in previous experiments (we're about 170,000 in) ☟︎☟︎
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: sks circa may is 3799663/4265572 in.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1606/1606.05915.pdf >>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/12fe3f69-0ae2-4a96-8cb4-b0f6b33bd490 << from the tel aviv rsa key lifting folks.
asciilifeform: just say no to software-controlled fans.
asciilifeform doesn't use them, because he can't stand noise transitions.
trinque: adlai: you alive?
trinque pokes adlai with walking stick
BingoBoingo: trinque: He may be back in LSD rehab?
BingoBoingo: Or if in Asylum he may have made mistake of talking about us and is being "cured"
trinque: $up _FeltPen
trinque: hmm
trinque: odd.. the bot's not saying anything back on any command. all that was changed was an if conditional inside the $up command.
trinque: $key trinque
deedbot: _FeltPen voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/deb12c5e-7bfc-4b11-a031-d452935080a3/
trinque: box isn't overloaded. I'm gonna give freenode the points for that one.
_FeltPen: thx!
_FeltPen: can i register for WOT in this channel or do I need to do that in bitcoin-assets?
trinque: no, here.
trinque: $help
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/help.html
trinque: _FeltPen: ^
trinque: make sure you have the nick you want first.
_FeltPen: thx, trinque
_FeltPen: $register _FeltPen A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24AB
deedbot: Import failed for _FeltPen.
trinque: I'm sorry; docs are wrong. You only need the fingerprint
_FeltPen: ok, so eliminate ref to nick?
trinque: correct
_FeltPen: $register A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24AB
deedbot: Import failed for A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24AB.
_FeltPen: ha
trinque: is your key on sks?
_FeltPen: yeah, i believe so. will check later - no biggie. thanks for help.
trinque: I can't recv-key that over here.
_FeltPen: its there, but i just added it again. will try to register again.
_FeltPen: $register A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24AB
deedbot: Import failed for A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24AB.
trinque: that seems like it's missing two bytes
trinque: er one byte
_FeltPen: oh, dang it. will have to wait until later then.
trinque: you're just missing a B6 at end :p
trinque: embiggen your terminal
_FeltPen: $register A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24ABB6
deedbot: A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24ABB6 registered as _FeltPen.
_FeltPen: woot
trinque: docs fixed, and welcome.
_FeltPen: Thanks again.
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Where the sun’s up past 10:00pm. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/27/where-the-suns-up-past-1000pm/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491091 << "Polls can be this wrong because a thin sliver "at the top", The Delusionals, have an investment in reality turning a certain way. So they falsify. " ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 13:13 phf: i'm not quite grokking how this was an unexpected outcome. prices drop because of smaller things and this was a massive price signal. from my naive perspective you have a bunch of people saying "eu sucks" and "britain has standalone economy" both assertions need to be explored and nobody particularly wants to explore them
mircea_popescu: you know the hipster chick that went down the ghetto road by her lonesome in nothing but six inch heels one fine late summer evening ?
mircea_popescu: INEXPLICABLY things were done to her THAT COULDNT HAVE BEEN EXPECTED.
phf: victim blaming!
mircea_popescu: for the delusionists in question, the "couldn't have been expected" and "inexplicably" part of their narrative are actually more important than the events themselves.
mircea_popescu: all they really wish to do is to scream as loudly as they can, permanently, that.
mircea_popescu: in any case, it's not some sort of rational process. it's merely "the secret" played straight. if they will it enough it'll matter.
phf: man, i'm starting to understand why nero was playing that fiddle
asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: aha. heroic figure, the more you think of it.
mircea_popescu: "he made his horse a senator" <=> "stated his horse would make a finer senator than most of them"
mircea_popescu: etc.
asciilifeform: 'caligula imperator si-a facut calul senator' (tm) (r) !1111
mircea_popescu: wait, nero wasn't racist ?
BingoBoingo: Nero held the race of Horses in high esteem
asciilifeform: perhaps his h0rs3 was a houyhnhnm !
mircea_popescu: i'm pretending the way you say "equum consulem declarare non erubuit" in english is "racist".
phf: it is certainly a fine troll and a strong way to make your point, still it gets lost in the echo chamber
asciilifeform: aaactually there is also a theory that it got lost in the echo chamber of suetonius, who was quite possibly his era's equivalent of, e.g., michael moore
asciilifeform: (or more accurately - howard zinn)
mircea_popescu: well, agrippina biography - lost ; that lost, this lost... who's to know.
mircea_popescu: (the sauce for the quote is juvenal, adrien valois, seigneur de la mare edition)
mircea_popescu: lest anyone goes blind seeking the impossible.
phf: so, i just learned that historia is produced by an istor or widstor, i.e. a wise man or a person who knows/sees, i.e. the one who вид-ит
mircea_popescu: so it is!
phf: interesting how the first few syllables get lost with time, "vedas" and "story" both pointing in the same direction
mircea_popescu: romanian to this day uses "a invedera" as part of common please (to bring to the court, to put in the record). so the change isn't either that new or that central.
BingoBoingo: from the mines https://i.imgur.com/IS7GswEr.png
mircea_popescu: common pleas*
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what is this rubbish
mircea_popescu: i thought hairspray was a fag interest musical.
mircea_popescu: they made a movie ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Exactly that.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: With John Travolta!
mircea_popescu: heh ok.
BingoBoingo: John Travolta was the fat tranny, for srs
mircea_popescu: hahaha what!
BingoBoingo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairspray_%282007_film%29 << from pediwiko
mircea_popescu: i might have to see this now.
BingoBoingo: "John Travolta as Edna Turnblad, Tracy's mother and agent, an agoraphobe ashamed of her obesity. Travolta's casting as Edna continues the tradition of having a man in drag portray the character, going back to the original 1988 film, which featured drag queen Divine as Edna and at Hairspray's Broadway version, which featured Harvey Fierstein as Edna.[10] Executives at New Line Cinema originally expected the part to be filled by an actor a
BingoBoingo: ccustomed to playing comic roles, tossing around names such as Robin Williams, Steve Martin, and Tom Hanks.[10] However, Travolta was aggressively sought after by producers Craig Zadan and Neil Meron for this role because he had starred as Danny Zuko in Grease, the second most successful movie musical to date, beaten only by Mamma Mia!."
mircea_popescu: uh. grease was a "movie musical" >
mircea_popescu: i thought it was a derpy "teenage interest" thing.
BingoBoingo: And this is the butter huffer who spewed the froth asciilifeform astutely identified as "rubbish" https://archive.is/zjHuF
BingoBoingo: Hey, an AR-15 is a "Modern Sporting Rifle"
BingoBoingo: Never underestimate the time spent by labelmakers
mircea_popescu: she looks almost exactly like this chick at the bdsm club. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Which one?
mircea_popescu: the one you linked
BingoBoingo: In mean which chick at the BDSM club?
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The Producers. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/27/the-producers/
phf: huh, i kind of want to see the original with Divine now
phf: debbie harry as the antagonist
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491200 << holy shit yet ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 16:41 mircea_popescu: she looks almost exactly like this chick at the bdsm club.
asciilifeform: *yes
asciilifeform: the one mircea_popescu showed me !
asciilifeform: ( augustina or something, was her name )
mircea_popescu: ha!
BingoBoingo: Well, what else can one expect of a failed Actrauce (-auce is the way to gender job titles mayo)
deedbot: [Qntra] US Polling: Third Party Candidate Takes From Clinton - http://qntra.net/2016/06/us-polling-third-party-candidate-takes-from-clinton/
mircea_popescu: o right, tacitus on community consensus : omnium consensu capax imperii nisi imperasset.
BingoBoingo: $up felipelalli
deedbot: felipelalli voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ie "everyone agreed he's capable to empire until he actually did."
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you might find interesting: apparently baltimore has thousands of 5-30k houses, in various stages of ruin
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491092 << i'd be very much to see exactly what uk economy consists of, altogether. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 13:14 phf: *wanted to
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: london barristers buyin' and sellin' mircea_popescu's lawsuits ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seriously these things exist and you don't even have to travel far!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and this is "independent" ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491103 << i was meditating upon the same wonder. wtf is this. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 14:21 asciilifeform: ;;later tell Framedragger interestingly, not one of your ssh mods has popped yet, despite the historic 0.1% popping rate claimed in previous experiments (we're about 170,000 in)
asciilifeform: every tinpot dictator with his own printolade printer thinks 'independent'
mircea_popescu: but that is an independent politics, not an independent economy.
mircea_popescu: the ur example of this being charles, emperor of the nonsunsetting-empire.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i genuinely have nfi. but a little more of this and i'ma start verifying the keyz, possibly Framedragger was mitm'd when he scanned. or fucked up in some other way.
asciilifeform: (though almost any imaginable mistake would result in MORE-phuctorable mods, vs less)
mircea_popescu: you know ?
asciilifeform: well consider the behaviours of random nums, or flipolade, etc.
mircea_popescu: i dun think the butterfly collection warrants any action yet, but it is pretty stranger.
asciilifeform: srsly NOT ONE popped to date.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, you know, wtf, "flipped bits" except in the one most likely fucking spot it never happens ?
mircea_popescu: ftr, 0 out of 200k is just about consistent with a TRUE rate of "random bit flippage".
asciilifeform: the historic ~0.1% popping rate of ssh keys has nothing to do with flips, and everything to do with embedded gadgets with no rng ☟︎
asciilifeform: (e.g., chinese routers)
asciilifeform: somehow i am being asked to believe that the first 170,000 of Framedragger's samples contained 0 of this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and these embedded gadgets do not exist on ssh ?
asciilifeform: they exist on nearly every consumer line.
asciilifeform: but somehow not in the 170,000 samples.
mircea_popescu: well, give it time, we see.
asciilifeform: perhaps they are sorted by ip, and thus far we've done only mitsubishi's ip blok or sumthing.
mircea_popescu: oh and in other mews, i give you the peacock tail! http://67.media.tumblr.com/c3bf23bc0126e2abc63617477522c9d0/tumblr_o2tvnzL6Ze1v2ot9zo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: holy shit wut
asciilifeform: or rather, ~how~
mircea_popescu: it's elastic.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they all require heavy terraforming.
asciilifeform: and are in lafond-zone
asciilifeform: but go, load up.
mircea_popescu: ftr, contrary to what whiteboys think, "lafond zone" is much better zone than drycunt zone.
asciilifeform: depends for wat
mircea_popescu: murder rate of what, 50 per 100k ? still means ~nothing practical.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for having a good time.
asciilifeform: i have friends living there. it isn't so great time.
asciilifeform: but CHEAP!11111111
mircea_popescu: how so ?
mircea_popescu: i bet you they never go out to hang with the locals ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they are locals.
mircea_popescu: so then not so great how ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: substantial costs in car windows alone
phf: well, if you have a cause, by up a whole block, put a fence around it, reinforce windows, have a nice workshop space or whatever. as long as nobody's bicycling in you're solid
asciilifeform: (idiots smash first, look for valuables later)
mircea_popescu: phf this is a monopoly trade. if you're not in the right lawyer club you'll end up in the middle of a scandal.
phf: i know people who did that in detroit before for a hackerspace, but with motorcycles
asciilifeform: phf: if this were +ev, speculators would have done it.
mircea_popescu: best be prepared to shoot the president if it comes to it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has it ^^^^
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is ev, just, not for everyone.
asciilifeform: and not for the others either, apparently
mircea_popescu: lafond correctly shows that the whole "race riots" is just demographic rearrangement after some dudes decided to reclaim 1920s buildings downtown
asciilifeform: judging by the 0 uptake among the dirigible dwellers.
phf: asciilifeform: speculators sell in to markets, some things just don't have easily identifiable markets
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why would i work for the us ?
mircea_popescu: one needs a sort of patriotic dweller to engage in this sort of thing.
asciilifeform: and they've run out, apparently.
asciilifeform: anyway asciilifeform will not be building baltimore fort.
mircea_popescu: phf maybe particular pufferfish may get away with it if small and exceptional.
mircea_popescu: but as a for-profit thing, you need your own army.
asciilifeform: i would buy one for a workshop but it'll get emptied as soon as i drive off.
asciilifeform: if i wanted to give my gear to scrap iron thieves, i could do it FOR PHREE, without paying 10k for the container
mircea_popescu: emplace automated machine guns, shoot on movement.
BingoBoingo: Whatever happened to "Every pet a rifleman"?
mircea_popescu: be the next "black lives matter" dude.
asciilifeform: will need automated atomic bombs
asciilifeform: for when they come.
phf: mircea_popescu: oh i agree, but i'm not telling other pufferfish how to do things, i'm talking from my school :> i'm not even saying it's somehow special. it's just very cheap to put a workspace area in ghetto if the people working it are basically ok with manual labour, "community building" all that jazz
mircea_popescu: nah, jackals are essentially cowardly.
asciilifeform: if i wanted to replay waco, could also do it for free, without buying any real estate.
mircea_popescu: phf and are mostly men.
mircea_popescu: you go, put a "designer etsy girl" community in ghetoo. take pix.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform correct response to waco buildup is thermobaric not atomic bomb.
phf: etsy designer girls have downtown coworking spaces for $100/mo/person
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: flechette mortar rounds.
mircea_popescu: that's actually kinda cheap
mircea_popescu: are downtown blowjobs like $15 or something ?
phf: for a chair?
asciilifeform: everything's is cheap to the folks who already have it. and $maxint for those who don't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, they do have it. work a day, get a grand or so. who ever heard of this, rent < 1 day's honest work ?
phf: that's not for a room, that's essentially "club membership"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which they
mircea_popescu: ah like a gym, but w/o fat shaming ?
asciilifeform: or is this on mircea_popescu's ammonia-breathing planet
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> everything's is cheap to the folks who already have it. and $maxint for those who don't. << I did not have a pipe wrench yesterday morning and yet $2 got me one before bed time on the same day.
phf: yeah, basically. you get a floor of a building, put a bunch of tables, a few "closed door" closets for people who are willing to pay $400/mo, a printer, a coffeemaker, and then you charge people $100/mo to have a place to sit and chat all day
mircea_popescu: oh incidentally, all this has stimulated me, ima go write a follow-up to http://trilema.com/2013/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-plane-like-a-rocket/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: be sure to include heat-seeking quadcopters
mircea_popescu: phf ok this sounds like a great racket actually.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah it's biological.
asciilifeform: snore
mircea_popescu: hater!
phf: this is a spinoff from ycombinator, where you're not paying for tangibles, like "such much space", but instead an opportunity to connect, blah blah blah
asciilifeform: phf: i've been seeing ads for this nonsense in d.c.
asciilifeform bbl, off to get teeth drilled sans anaesthesia
phf: 1776 is the biggest one, they have daily talks on how to succeed as a woman ceo, workshops on how to learn ruby. probably a good subject for a blog post, a tour of 1776 on an average day..
phf: i'm not even exaggerating to pander, the whole thing is a parody of itself
mircea_popescu: phf very good, i'd check it.
phf: everybody's talking about how they are going to be bought, who got bought, who has an opportunity to get bought. we have our support team there, because they are in their 20s, need external stimulation, etc. but on the flip side they periodically come back with grandiose plans "for the company"
phf: one guy (support) got it in his head that he's going to open a london branch of the company, he regularly arranges meetings with random uk business representatives to discuss along these lines. i heard he had some kind of meeting with richard branson as part of a small select group, etc. etc. mind you this has long been shot down by the owners as utterly insane and shut the fuck up. doesn't deter him.
phf: it's like they are cooking in the 1776 delusion soup, completely detached from reality
phf: that's definitely not the types i would want anywhere near a baltimore ghetto workshop. not only are they useless, they are also going to do something stupid, get shot or raped and next thing you know we're in the middle of scandal
mircea_popescu: lmao
BingoBoingo: I think it would be good for their morale
mircea_popescu: phf well, depends if you're looking to monetize the scandal.
BingoBoingo: If they can't leave their hug bubble because James Lafond presents, then they get to build up all the delusion still hotter
mircea_popescu: ironically, you'd be in a dark cone of immunity because the derps can't quite argue that YOU are responsible by putting kids in harm's way, because they can't say black people are the harm. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so ... who knows.
mircea_popescu: go there and compassionately offer them rape kits, or something.
BingoBoingo: Who knows, maybe startup culture has a tin pest sort of effect on the hood?
BingoBoingo: Gangs obsessing over their London and Rotterdam expansions and whatnot
phf: pretty sure The Wire made fun of the whole "gangs trying to play white people games"
trinque: I recall a hilarious "board meeting" in an episode, I think.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo should be lulzy in any case lol.
mircea_popescu: phf this'd be that in reverse neh ?
phf: oh that was in response to BingoBoingo's idea
mircea_popescu: theoretically the millions upon millions of pointless white kids that tear down the universities each year and the nation's finances would utterly dilute the hood into meaninglessness.
mircea_popescu: in practice, they're much too passive to matter.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: uh. white kids who move to the hood tend to "gentrify" it...
mircea_popescu: nah, not to gentrify. they're not gentry. just, to scumiffy in a different direction.
thestringpuller: oh. i don't even know if those white kids could even AFFORD to live in the hood.
thestringpuller: that's why they move back home with mommy and daddy rent free
mircea_popescu: well, slumlord phf buy the place for them, then charges them 100 a month for a dildo to sit on
thestringpuller: i think you're accurately describing brooklyn
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: word huh
shinohai: Afternoon #trilema folks
phf: so i've lived on the gentrification line before and it's never "white kids", they move in when after the whole thing is named "gentrification" and by then there's already a whole foods in the works. gentrification is brought about by utter misfit john waters crowd, and they prime the area for couple of years by throwing parties and making things happen, large portion of them is gay and otherwise insane.
phf: once landlords or developers are involved the area has long been considered "interesting" by suburban types and "done" by the gentrification avant guard ☟︎
trinque: that happened in montrose, area of inner-loop houston
trinque: "the gayborhood"
phf: you get a balmore workshop not because it's a conan thing to do, but because you're insane and need to paint astral vaginas whether or not there's market for it, and you can afford to pay $90/mo (sometimes late) for your apartment and $100/mo (mostly late) for your studio ☟︎☟︎
phf: yeah, the non space eventually actualizes into a named thing, and it can be "hipsters" like what happened to brooklyn or "gays" like what happened to dupont circle
phf: the insane borderline chick that was my radar for these things wanted to move to williamsburg in 2002 or so cause that's where here friends were, by 2005 they had awesome parties there, by 2008 everybody knew they had awesome parties there, by 2012 the rent started to climb, by 2014 yuppies moving in, 2015 it's a joke that everyone's in on
deedbot: [Trilema] Nobody could have foreseen their using a woman as a weapon - http://trilema.com/2016/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-woman-as-a-weapon/
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/XIJ
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: phf this is true.
mircea_popescu: one of the better known example being 1950s greenwich village
mircea_popescu: (note the importance of the gay army in taking land from savages - today as 3000 years ago) ☟︎
BingoBoingo: ty shinohai
deedbot: [Qntra] Google CEO Social Media Account Hacked - http://qntra.net/2016/06/google-ceo-social-media-account-hacked/
mircea_popescu: possibly the lulziest "dedicated copywriter" result i've seen to date : http://theacneproject.com/does-accutane-work-for-acne/
mircea_popescu: check it out BingoBoingo , a new AA cult is born!
BingoBoingo: These things happen from time to time
BingoBoingo: !up _FeltPen pls to just register already
gribble: Error: "up" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: $up _FeltPen ^
deedbot: _FeltPen voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: saw it happen in fishtown, http://articles.philly.com/2016-02-19/news/70734651_1_fishtown-kensington-community-development-corp-johnny-brenda the place was amazing 10 years ago. dead, cheap, bunch of weirdos living there. there was a bookstore, called "germ", that would invite these totally insane performers. their book selection was ufo, nazi, conspiracy theories and right hand magick. they had like a hitler telegram on sale for $2k, it closed ab
phf: out 5 years ago. now i can't go there without getting the anger shakes, it's a fucking millenial central. i got into a fight at johnny brenda's (mentioned in the article) a year ago, and everybody backed down, which made me even madder. fuck that place
_FeltPen: Thanks!
thestringpuller: lol. millennials tend to be pussies
thestringpuller: i really hate my generation. but better for me cause it's not much competition for anything
thestringpuller: although that's not a good thing...
phf: http://articles.philly.com/2011-01-28/news/27054197_1_book-lovers-rare-books-alien-life
_FeltPen: @thestringpuller - I feel you, nobody likes competing against a wet paper bag.
phf: http://io9.gizmodo.com/346257/germ-books-in-philly-is-post-apocalyptic-pleasure
mircea_popescu: phf so who did you get into a fight with then!
phf: exactly :(
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu takes some solace in the notion that his sad personal history is not his alone.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-woman-as-a-weapon/#comment-117840
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: http://archive.is/tiY2j <<< segwit stole our block propagation idea! LOL
asciilifeform: snore
shinohai: asciilifeform is such a wonderfully easy person to make snore. I'll bet he never needs Ambien.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491328 << this dun work. the buggers have an infinite capacity for doublethink and unprincipled-exception. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 17:43 mircea_popescu: ironically, you'd be in a dark cone of immunity because the derps can't quite argue that YOU are responsible by putting kids in harm's way, because they can't say black people are the harm.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491350 << approximately the role lichens play in nature ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 18:16 phf: once landlords or developers are involved the area has long been considered "interesting" by suburban types and "done" by the gentrification avant guard
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491353 << you can't get so much as a doghouse for this price, even in bmore ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 18:17 phf: you get a balmore workshop not because it's a conan thing to do, but because you're insane and need to paint astral vaginas whether or not there's market for it, and you can afford to pay $90/mo (sometimes late) for your apartment and $100/mo (mostly late) for your studio
asciilifeform: unless there are 7 of you per flat
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491361 << they work as lichens because they have (typically) no kidz, and don't give rat's arse about 'school district' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 18:32 mircea_popescu: (note the importance of the gay army in taking land from savages - today as 3000 years ago)
asciilifeform: from phf's link, commentz: '...it's nice that run down neighborhoods get a face lift, and I love craft beer and good food and coffee as much as the next guy (er, gal)-but what happened to the factories and the people that used to work in them? Their lives were largely destroyed by "free trade" and deindustrialization. We were once a producer society, and we were an economically and culturally healthier country (and medically). Now we ☟︎
asciilifeform: are a consumer society, the bright store fronts and restaurants blinding people from seeing the general decay of the nation. Unless there's a revival of production and real technological progress, we are doomed...'
asciilifeform: related, from same rag: http://articles.philly.com/2016-06-20/news/73881409_1_murder-suicide-medical-examiner-john-sheridan
asciilifeform: 'Instead of a murder-suicide carried out by John Sheridan, as the prosecutor concluded, Baden found that the CEO of Cooper Health System and his wife, a retired teacher, more likely were preyed upon by a man who killed them and then set a fire to destroy the evidence.'
asciilifeform: what did 'cooper health system' sell ?
phf: asciilifeform: last industries closed in fishtown in 88 or so, or right around the financial market crash
phf: the whole Robocop, japanese are taking over american industry and economy time
asciilifeform: the beginning of the end of the last happytime aha.
BingoBoingo: phf: Japanese were not in Robocop, but Robocop 3
deedbot: [Qntra] Tim Swanson Misunderstanda Reality Again - http://qntra.net/2016/06/tim-swanson-misunderstanda-reality-again/
BingoBoingo: title fxd
phf: asciilifeform: in unrelated news check out this hack job http://web.mit.edu/6.933/www/Symbolics.pdf
asciilifeform: phf: ancient
asciilifeform: $s failure of heterogeneous engineering
a111: 2 results for "failure of heterogeneous engineering", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=failure%20of%20heterogeneous%20engineering
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-17#1373898 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-01-17 02:25 asciilifeform: right now best we have was 'symbolics, the failure of heterogeneous engineering' (by some chick?)
asciilifeform: and possibly other threads that aren't found by search box
phf: i skimmed it and realized just how badly researched, but ideologically framed it is
asciilifeform: imho there was no possible way for smbx to survive the end of reagan presidency by very long.
mircea_popescu: shinohai well, kinda what tmsr is for.
asciilifeform: phf: smbx was a creature of megalomaniacal empire, like the su 'Рокот' rocket.
asciilifeform: (whose launcher stood so tall that a man cannot be photographed in the same frame as it and still be visible)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491398 <<->> http://66.media.tumblr.com/ec60ffcf9c7527607b8db7089e0dea50/tumblr_o2jk96zPKi1u0i0qzo1_400.gif ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 20:29 asciilifeform: from phf's link, commentz: '...it's nice that run down neighborhoods get a face lift, and I love craft beer and good food and coffee as much as the next guy (er, gal)-but what happened to the factories and the people that used to work in them? Their lives were largely destroyed by "free trade" and deindustrialization. We were once a producer society, and we were an economically and culturally healthier countr
asciilifeform: раскат rather
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l! is that borat ?!
mircea_popescu: naaa
asciilifeform: but yeah, '50s were great' 'ah? then why did weevils eat them'
mircea_popescu: because the people of the 50s "wanted their kids to live a better life"
mircea_popescu: stupidest fucking idea ever.
mircea_popescu: but speaking of japanese robocop, http://67.media.tumblr.com/0d5afb925baf894cb47c10c93c8b31d8/tumblr_nkelflLgZA1tgdz6ro1_1280.png
asciilifeform: l0l!!!
asciilifeform: this is best ever.
asciilifeform takes off hat.
phf: well, that's an opinion. a proper exploration of this subject would answer questions like what was revenue sources, what were the expenses, and then go backwards from there, figuring out where and how those were compromised or failed to correct. smbx burned through something like 10mil 80s cash in 2 years. and they burned through them by being locked into real estate, that lost value post crash. so can explore how the internal culture contributed
phf: to bubbling debt, etc. not saying that either of us could do it in a few sentences, but that's what i would expect from proper paper on the subject. real estate is not even mentioned in the above hack job
asciilifeform: phf: that the market consisted ~100% of usg, and that it stopped buying, and the commitments smbx was locked into spending-wise remained, and bankrupted it - is not mega-seekrit.
phf: asciilifeform: not at all 100% usg, that's why there was the west coast symbolics media lab, also government didn't stop buying, the contracts were bringing revenue well into the endof90s (i mean still do, but now it's life support peanuts) ☟︎
asciilifeform: it was peanuts in '90s also.
asciilifeform: there were no massive rollouts.
asciilifeform: afaik amex was the ONLY major 100% non-usgtronic customer.
asciilifeform: media lab == usg.
phf: (hollywood)
asciilifeform: ah 'framethrower'
asciilifeform: sgi swallowed that market.
asciilifeform: (then promptly died)
asciilifeform: iirc google lives in the old sgi campus.
phf: fwiw we're saying same thing, but a paper doesn't need to reveal some major secrets to be worthwhile, ~this~ particular paper takes a tired and ideologically aligned "it's them eggheads and their lisp that did it" ☟︎
asciilifeform: you don't need courage to kick a dead lion.
phf: ^
shinohai: Speaking of lisp, asciilifeform has officially made me a shiva believer.
asciilifeform: waiwat
shinohai: I love this :D
phf: asciilifeform: you brought this on yourself :D
asciilifeform: the hindu god ?!
asciilifeform cannot offer advice on placating shiva, you must call experts
shinohai: No, shiva the trb addition. >.>
shinohai: KALI MA!
asciilifeform: iirc it dun do anything interesting yet.
asciilifeform: and various folks ( mircea_popescu ? ) pointed out that it is 2000 ln of unaudited crud, that ought not be used in battlefield
asciilifeform: then again it is 1) unaudited crud that predates bitcoin
asciilifeform: 2) never touches input from outside world if properly operated.
shinohai: No but I see the benefits of having rpc commands use it, as I would love to see those commands separated from daemon
asciilifeform: 3) is theoretically r4rs compliant and can be reimplemented without rewriting payload code or replaces with another r4rs-compliant scheme at some future point.
asciilifeform: *replaced
asciilifeform: brief overview: i had it lying around because was trying to make a mempool debugger at one time.
phf: i drove past a mother kali temple somewhere in laurel, md yesterday
asciilifeform: cleaned up, released (as pedigree chain from original tinyscheme)
asciilifeform: then somebody ( mircea_popescu ? ) suggested that it could be used to replace the idiot json rpc.
asciilifeform: then nothing happened.
asciilifeform: we are here <---
asciilifeform: phf: lel! was it full of Thugs?
phf: they had a different spelling of it (i vaguely suspect on account of indiana jones movie), "kala, divine mother temple" it took me a while to get it
phf: http://kalitemplewashington.org
shinohai: But I liked the temple of doom. I could get behind religions like that.
BingoBoingo: Buy Baltimore ruin and make temple!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Baltimore-MD/3523_rid/0-25000_price/0-88_mp/pricea_sort/39.313,-76.570641,39.273593,-76.593129_rect/15_zm/0_mmm << i have nfi whether scamz, etc.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well part scam sometimes because derps will want "back property tax"
phf: asciilifeform: girl says "nooo"
asciilifeform: noo what
phf: north of patterson park is likely to be exactly that cheap because you definitely don't want to go there
BingoBoingo: phf: Why not?
asciilifeform is simply REALLY TIRED of paying rent. ☟︎
phf: baltimore st actually stays rough pretty much all the way downtown (which is club area), but it's ok to walk after dark around E/W switch
asciilifeform: it does appear that you can't get fiber in most of these. which is the real deal-killer for me.
phf: BingoBoingo: it's one of those the wire style areas
BingoBoingo: ah
mircea_popescu: so the actually very competent ron havana club anejo 7yo has been reviewed by the producer, who decided it has flavours of vanilla, chocolate, cocoa, dried fruits and "spices".
mircea_popescu: they apparently forgot AND EVERYTHING NICE!!1
mircea_popescu: anyway, usage suggestion : fill whiskey glass with good raisins, add rum to the top, leave for an hour. then take the raisins for apple pie, drink the remainder while chatting on irc.
BingoBoingo: $b 3
BingoBoingo: $s $b
a111: 33 results for "$b", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=$b
mircea_popescu: phf real estate is the traditional siren song that sinks a certain type of empire builder head.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491436 << i think there's some merit to this view. usg wasn't nearly as important as asciilifeform thinks it even in the 80s. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 21:04 phf: asciilifeform: not at all 100% usg, that's why there was the west coast symbolics media lab, also government didn't stop buying, the contracts were bringing revenue well into the endof90s (i mean still do, but now it's life support peanuts)
mircea_popescu: better managed symbolics could have done much better than it ended up doing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was important ~for symbolics~
mircea_popescu: by (poor) choice rather than by lack of choice.
asciilifeform: pretty much everybody else bought the cheaper suns when they became available. and ran cruddy sun lisps on'em, etc.
mircea_popescu: ~
asciilifeform: it is not clear that smbx would be famous and interesting today if they had transformed themselves into a sun earlier.
asciilifeform: (and lived)
phf: they did transform themselves into sun, ivory machines and macivory boards specifically
jurov: asciilifeform: wiring the all the rest of C code to shiva would have to be redone if replacing with some other cheme, no?
asciilifeform: too little / too late
asciilifeform: jurov: not really
phf: well, too late precisely because obligations
asciilifeform: plus how much of it is there - a dozen lines ?
asciilifeform: basic idea of 'this lisp func calls this here c func' is same regardless
asciilifeform: you could prolly replace it with, e.g., SIOD, without breaking a sweat
asciilifeform: (or your own scheme)
jurov: currently, dozen lines. but target is to have much more functions accessible, no?
jurov: *many more
asciilifeform: yes but the glue is the only part that might vary.
jurov: i am willing to bet the glue will be bigger than the tinyscheme itself
asciilifeform: for fucks sake
asciilifeform: it isn't
asciilifeform: go, read.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491446 << there doubtlessly is a large helping of that. bad management by engineers who imagined they can manage for reasons unknown. http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/ rather applies. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 21:06 phf: fwiw we're saying same thing, but a paper doesn't need to reveal some major secrets to be worthwhile, ~this~ particular paper takes a tired and ideologically aligned "it's them eggheads and their lisp that did it"
asciilifeform: (or if you're thinking of theoretically complete replacement for the rpc - it wouldn't have to be re-written, with correct dozen lines of glue)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: noftsker wasn't really an engineer
asciilifeform: (stallman hated him for it, even)
mircea_popescu: https://fat.gfycat.com/UnequaledSeveralIndianelephant.webm << POA or w/e it's called
asciilifeform: wat
mircea_popescu: you know, the really cool alpha dudes
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491481 << o wow, gonna start your street tough career ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 21:23 asciilifeform is simply REALLY TIRED of paying rent.
asciilifeform: if i can get fiber there!11111
mircea_popescu: ak-fiber
asciilifeform: fiberlessness is actually pestilential even in 'rich' baltimore.
asciilifeform: (for complicated political reasons local telco monopoly didn't rollout)
mircea_popescu: impotence is the mother of chemistry or how did that adage go ?
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: go to fiberless ghetto, build your own point to point network
asciilifeform: with whom ?
asciilifeform: the monkeys ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, drones.
asciilifeform: go to north pole, build network with polar bears.
asciilifeform: better ROI.
mircea_popescu: but sure, give out free iuds with wifi.
phf: microwave towers
phf: pay locals to defend them with AKs :>
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: mad maxcii lifeform
phf: periodically no internet because one of towers got overrun, $1k worth of equipment stollen, defenders all shot up
mircea_popescu: redundancy! sqrt n / 2
phf: have to grab own ak go reclaim tower: exercise
asciilifeform: 'lose the other army! or lose yourself!11111'
mircea_popescu: eh, nah. usg only has strike units. give it 18 hours, can reclaim passively.
asciilifeform actually wrote to some of the sellers...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're going to go into real estate biz ?
asciilifeform: nah
asciilifeform: what made you think this.
mircea_popescu: to quote the immortal foca, "boooo... o sa iasa un dezastru."
mircea_popescu: well.. sellers of what ?
asciilifeform: sellers of derelicts that are a few $k of new carpet away from habitability.
mircea_popescu: looky : if you own real estate you're in the real estate biz. just like if you're married, you're in the pimp biz. you may suck at it something fierce, but that dun matter.
mircea_popescu: there isn't a "special" situation where you're a pimp but that's ok because you're not really a pimp.
asciilifeform: ok in that sense yes
asciilifeform: and if i buy a car i am in car biz ?
asciilifeform: a new pocket knife - in cutlery biz ?
thestringpuller: how is marriage the pimp biz?
mircea_popescu: got a woman in the house ? she can run with your monyz ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: how NOT
phf: probably a controversial point because never interacted with those other pimps
mircea_popescu: yeah well, ignorance of the law is no defense.
phf: the one that i knew wasn't really running it movie back of hand style (or i guess it wasn't like this special thing, "where's my money bitch"). money brought was income and "he takes care of me" etc
mircea_popescu: it's a domestic arrangement, what.
phf: in fact it took me a while to grok what's going on
mircea_popescu: really, in some cultures it's the default domestic arrangement.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you buy a car you are in the car biz, yes. which is why car salesmen rape you so badly.
asciilifeform: i thought 'in biz' were, roughly, if you intended to make money reselling
mircea_popescu: your intention don'[t matter jack shit.
asciilifeform: or - if i buy icecream - i am in icecream biz ?
mircea_popescu: what, and you're in the army if you intend to kill people ?
asciilifeform: i cross the road, i am in paving biz ?
asciilifeform: this is a defensible pov but not quite what anybody expects.
mircea_popescu: what anybody expects also dun enter into it.
mircea_popescu: yes, sanity is very intolerant of consumerism ethos and "division of labour" understood without any understanding.
asciilifeform: then yes
asciilifeform: but it smacks of 'elephant is simply a very heavy type of fly'
mircea_popescu: only because you're addicted to the consumerist mindset.
mircea_popescu: there is no "elephant" as a categorically different item
mircea_popescu: wasp is a very heavy type of gnat.
asciilifeform: http://photos2.zillowstatic.com/p_f/ISdov0lm5hhpd71000000000.jpg << holy fuq
asciilifeform: HOW ^
mircea_popescu: what ?
asciilifeform: that sink
trinque: somebody probably kicked it
asciilifeform: plausible.
mircea_popescu: just crappy pressboard what
BingoBoingo: Typical "remain" voter https://i.sli.mg/UQarGZ.png
mircea_popescu: lol uk industry is finally exporting some primo butthurt huh
BingoBoingo: 4 srs
BingoBoingo: And now Italeave starts
asciilifeform: lol i got call back..
BingoBoingo: Oh
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo obese fuck "who's always been" never in his life felt so "ashamed" as when the life support got a little threatened ?
mircea_popescu: what happened to being ashamed for being a fat fuck ffs.
thestringpuller: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491563 << ah, i thought pimping mean putting said woman to work ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-27 21:51 mircea_popescu: got a woman in the house ? she can run with your monyz ?
BingoBoingo: Who knows? Anyways I think it identified as femayo
thestringpuller: but i guess you gotta do that too
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller whether you tolerate the whores working a lot or a little dun enter into this tho.
mircea_popescu: god damned. let's ban avoid so that we can then do the same inept join part bullshit.
phf: Typical "remain" voter https://i.sli.mg/UQarGZ.png << this gotta be a joke
asciilifeform: 'lego is hard for fat children to play with' << tr0l0l0l
asciilifeform: forfuxxsake
asciilifeform: or wat, you will tell me this EXISTS ??
asciilifeform will be touring baltimoralalabad and kandamore in the flesh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what are the remoras even DOING here
asciilifeform: i always wondered.
phf: righton
mircea_popescu: who where ?
asciilifeform: pablo___ et al.
shinohai: So it is the fault of the leavers this probablr hamplanet can't get 4,000 calories a day BingoBoingo ?
mircea_popescu: heard there's a party ?
asciilifeform: 'hi i heard there is a party, let me stand in the corner and snort the alcohol fume plox'
mircea_popescu: there's this deeply ingrained expectation of "participating" without participation.
asciilifeform: i dun get it.
mircea_popescu: like - school, government, commerce, politics, footbal - you name it.
mircea_popescu: jwzism
trinque: http://www.vice.com/read/actual-cuckolds-are-pissed-off-at-the-far-right-using-cuck-as-an-insult << teh infinilulz
trinque: "Behind every good woman is a devoted cuck."
mircea_popescu: trinque wait, they got linguistically cuckolded by their own patronym, fucking around with right wingers without their approval ?
mircea_popescu: the cuckocalypse!
trinque: ahahaha
BingoBoingo: shinohai: apparently
mircea_popescu: buyt anyway - i approve. cuck SHOULD mean libertard.
mircea_popescu: shorter word, more descriptive.
asciilifeform: we came from the cucks, who came from the trucks...
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: ahahaha "alpha cucks out there".
mircea_popescu: bullshit. if anyone knows what shit means "in the scene" it'd be me, and yes cuck means inferior.
mircea_popescu: conventionally, not ALWAYS to be treated as inferior, but that's more a flavour thing than anything else.
asciilifeform: wtf is an alpha cuck !!
mircea_popescu: libertardism. "lalala i can't hear you and words are salad ingredients"
phf: best pidor among the girls
asciilifeform: l0l: the sp4mz0rz pushing the derelict houses called me back and offered to consolidate the tour, they actually thought i wanted to buy ~all~ of them..
mircea_popescu: it is a sensible assumption.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you do it otherwise.
phf: you know, when there's a new опущенный alpha cuck is the one who shows him the ropes
asciilifeform: head pidor by the latrine
mircea_popescu: this is what alpha bitch means in the brothel.
phf: "how many blocks would are you interested in purchasing?"
mircea_popescu: this bizarro libertard thing where "not using words in the way we'd prefer them used" = "not using words right"
mircea_popescu: wtf else, putin doesn't understand how the world works ?
asciilifeform: i am interested in subj mainly as an experimental test of some of my assumptions
asciilifeform: (the derelicts, not the cuckolds)
BingoBoingo: Carry on the experiment, become 31337 slumlord!
mircea_popescu: for srs.
BingoBoingo: Play Sid Meyer's civilization IRL!
asciilifeform: i figure, 'war is interested in you' and will come here eventually
mircea_popescu: then when i finally visit the collapsed empire, i have where to guest stay.
asciilifeform: so may as well go to it on own schedule.
mircea_popescu always preferred living with pimps over dope dealers, thugs and etc.
mircea_popescu: who could ever have predicted alf is SO DEDICATED to his new country, he'll build jamestown on the misipipi before leaving.
asciilifeform: lelz
asciilifeform: prolly not
asciilifeform: merely gedankenexperiment currently.
BingoBoingo: When does alf get Mosin for pet?
asciilifeform: not sure if i got enough gold dubloons
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fully covered in this dept.
mircea_popescu: yeah what's the girl say about all this ? itching to alpha bitch ?
asciilifeform: girl smells the moneyz.
BingoBoingo: Every pet a rifleman!
mircea_popescu: win
asciilifeform: riflefman.
asciilifeform: as i said, this is kinda like that time i wanted to launch a satellite.
asciilifeform: or fly a suitcase to buenos aires on own propellant.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it's not. tens of thousands of sub-parity IQ dudes do this on a regular basis.
BingoBoingo: Except this you can do
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: enculturated folk.
phf: can just imagine asciilifeform going through an "apocalypse now" transformation. "where you from, willard?"
asciilifeform: 'smell of napalm' !
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform culture's a lie.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i lived in a ~hole for 20 yrs.
asciilifeform: this has permanent effects.
mircea_popescu: so did most respectable people. think about it for a second.
asciilifeform: not mircea_popescu !
asciilifeform: he strangled the 2 snakes they put in his crib etc.
mircea_popescu: carmine persico ruled the colombos for 40 years, of which 36 in jail.
asciilifeform: it matters ~which~ 20y
asciilifeform: if yer first 20 - different affair than last 20
mircea_popescu: doubtful anything matters in any serious sense.
asciilifeform: where does mircea_popescu think we get homo redditicus ?
asciilifeform: holy shit
asciilifeform: $up pabl0
deedbot: pabl0 voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: pabl0: speak
mircea_popescu: lmao
asciilifeform: reminds me, i gotta change the uv lamp in bugzapper.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Don't forget to change the bait or you'll zap everything but mosquitos!
mircea_popescu: and in other interior decorating tricks and tips, http://66.media.tumblr.com/fd46f28c89435fe3f09fdc215e8698f4/tumblr_o2dbxxfVvY1uycyh2o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: sooo, ethereum "soft fork" due to go in, about 60 hours left. i hope everyone's ready for the lulzpocalypse
shinohai puts popcorn on his shopping list.
mircea_popescu: (one of the lulziest parts - they made their criteria be < cost. in non-scamcoin-head terms, this is not unlike making a soft fork dependent on mempool being < x.)
mircea_popescu: ethereum being "smart", it's not just mempool, but also cpupool. and the "soft fork" being essentially a "enumerate badness" attempt, you still gotta check and make sure tx isn't on the verboten list. which computation you do for free, because you believe in mit, socialism and buterin. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: cold equations be damn' cold.