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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can you explain the good there ?
kakobrekla: trolling the established retardness
kakobrekla: how is this bad?
mircea_popescu: i just dun get it.
kakobrekla: no worries.
mircea_popescu is looking forward to the "help me pay my income tax with pennies!" kickstarter.
mircea_popescu: that'll so totally show it to the irs. not only they get paid, they get to pleasantly waste more time doing it!
kakobrekla: not really as they prolly have a coin counting machines.
kakobrekla: -a
mircea_popescu: anyway. i hadn't any idea such a thing as "British Board of Film Certification" existed. amusingly, i still don't. nice reddit name or w/e it was, facebook trademark.
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phf: pete_dushenski, i haven't followed the whole scene since the time when i had to research the question for a project, but it was apparently acquired by paypal in 2013. hxxp://techcrunch.com/2013/09/26/paypal-acquires-payments-gateway-braintree-for-800m-in-cash/
mircea_popescu: cash deal, too. someone's been smart.
phf: heh, guy spent paypal money to start http://osfund.co. two of the companies were trashed on that chem blog, ginkgo bioworks and emerald therapeutics.
assbot: OS FUND ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUacmW )
mircea_popescu: come join me past the emerald river, in that lovely field where the only fate worse than failure
mircea_popescu: is success.
phf: "Human Longevity, Inc", "Planetary Resources"
phf: these bigend wannabees got trolled by w.gibson
phf: http://osfund.co/companies/ < this page
assbot: Companies | OS Fund ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ln6f4N )
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mircea_popescu: http://woodcoin.xyz/woodcoin/2015-11-14/text << that was interesting.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZSJUE )
asciilifeform: 'Eulora open-source conveyance technology that utilizes Linear Synchronous Motors for article retrieval of up to 50 Kg.' << l0l!!
kakobrekla: and by interesting you mean brain melting
kakobrekla closes before all of it runs out of ears
mircea_popescu: yeah, i originally had suspension points before the interesting.
mircea_popescu: anyway fwiw i never saw that conveyance thingee, ever.
mircea_popescu: there's some rock band and whatnot. i guess there's just about 0 overlap between search results by now.
mircea_popescu: that's probably the most effectual anti-"seo" thing google came up with. leverage people's laziness, if it's easy for "expert" to claim success and for empoyer to "verify" it, everyone's happy.
mircea_popescu: "Power consumption: @full duty cycle : 45,000 Watts (all on). " wtf do they use 40kw for loads of 50kgs max ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly euro floating pt
asciilifeform: 50 w.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck specifies one value to the decal and the other to three decimal points ?!
asciilifeform: folks who failed 2nd grade ?
mircea_popescu: my penis is 12 inches long, fits vaginas up to 11.624 inches !
mircea_popescu: 11.6238 actually, to stay in ranges.
asciilifeform: though this is not an abuse if the 45,000 is a measured qty while the 50 is a postulated one
mircea_popescu: i admit to being a theoreitcal physicist.
asciilifeform: e.g., '101.1234 g of hcn poisons up to 500 wolverines'
mircea_popescu: this notwithstanding, i did spend SOME time in the lab
mircea_popescu: at no point have i measured a ,000. ever, in my life.
asciilifeform has
mircea_popescu: more power to you.
mircea_popescu: 45kw of it.
asciilifeform: had an analytical balance sold for use with diamonds and rare earths ☟︎
asciilifeform: ($30k, iirc)
asciilifeform: 8 places.
asciilifeform idly pictures it in its most likely current use: as a doorstop
mircea_popescu: the finest tolerance motors i know of are in the 0.0x% range of consumption.
asciilifeform: typically motor used in, e.g., fine robotics, has optical encoder (think mouse wheel)
asciilifeform: rather than a particularly precisely-wound coil
mircea_popescu: ie, rated for 10 mA, does 10.007 or some shit
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the most likely scenario is that a monkey lifted the nums straight from a datasheet.
asciilifeform: which, in turn, was arrived at in much the same way
asciilifeform: down to some nether space where elephants stand atop of giant turtles.
mircea_popescu: well, seeing how they were supposed to deliver in 2014, the more likely scenario is that this was someone's future kickstarter.
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: the cluj museum of geology's analytical balance, ftr, to be used with their 4.1 carat yellow diamond, is actually all mechanical. made in like, 1920.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had one of these. stood in the library
asciilifeform: still worked great
mircea_popescu: pretty spiffy thing. yah.
asciilifeform: the kind with the glass doors
asciilifeform: it was a thing of beauty
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: very nice workmanship.
asciilifeform: like clock
asciilifeform always wanted just such
mircea_popescu: anyway. i dun see how weighing past 3-4 digits is even meaningful in atmosphere.
asciilifeform: it sat in a sealed cabinet
asciilifeform: and yes, could measure a flask of water evaporating at stp
mircea_popescu: how'd you get things in ?
asciilifeform: it wasn't a hermetic seal, but rather a kind of inverted glass beaker with very small hole for the robopipette
mircea_popescu: i was rooting for a very small ecluse
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: !up Cristina_
mircea_popescu: in some ways she reminds me of indian candy. how's life treating ya Cristina_ ?
Cristina_: up!
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mircea_popescu: !up birdman_
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thing was as seen on left hand of the photo in this link - http://www.ebay.com/itm/METTLER-TOLEDO-BALANCE-SCALE-KIT-Tecan-Gravimetric-Calibration-QC-Analytical-Lab-/230957309812
assbot: Mettler Toledo Balance Scale Kit Tecan Gravimetric Calibration QC Analytical Lab | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZW31W )
asciilifeform observes how 'cheap' now
asciilifeform: i had it installed to make the machine auto-calibrating (afaik to this day no such thing is offered by the original vendor, or anybody else. but no one wanted it.)
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3N2HHHT <<< how a "modern" page looks.
assbot: dpaste: 3N2HHHT ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZWdGH )
asciilifeform: ick
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asciilifeform: kinda funny usg story - 30k balance? no prob. but when i asked for 20kg of Pb brick for pedestal, so it wouldn't wander at 4th dec place when the lifts went up & down in the hallway - they never happened
asciilifeform: because... not in the catalogue !
asciilifeform: and how dare you.
asciilifeform: etc
mircea_popescu: yup. it's a thing, very ideologically dedicated.
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asciilifeform: not sure if 'ideology' is the right word
asciilifeform: would've been familiar to a clerk under peter I
asciilifeform: 'fill out the form'
asciilifeform: the strange, imho, part, is that ~outside~ of these constraints - buy from catalogue, or else wait most of a year (i got the motherfucking lisp machine, yes) - can do pretty much whatever
asciilifeform: (because the commonplace, sane constraint of being economically +ev - isn't there)
BingoBoingo: From the mines: "
BingoBoingo: So Dr. Oz did a segment about the "dark web" today and an image like this was part of the imagery describing the dangerous stuff going on there: https://i.sli.mg/5mOHmZ.pngPNG Nothing about the drug trade, scams, hacking, killing for hire, etc. The real reason for the existence of the dark web is "bullying" and fat shaming."
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asciilifeform: 'content not found'
asciilifeform: https://sli.mg/5mOHmZ.png << this ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1X9msl4 )
BingoBoingo: Ah, that. I must have fucked up the copypasta
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deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.40000000 BTC on 'No' - Federal Reserve will raise interest rate at December FOMC meeting - http://bitbet.us/bet/1221/federal-reserve-will-raise-interest-rate-at-december/#b20
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punkman: http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/39102 ☟︎
assbot: Police Civil Asset Forfeitures Exceed All Burglaries in 2014 | Armstrong Economics ... ( http://bit.ly/1SZVqMs )
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mircea_popescu: what "killing for hire"
BingoBoingo: Andreas
mircea_popescu: must be great to inhabit reality-free world. as alf says, the commonplace, sane constraint of being economically +ev - isn't there.
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BingoBoingo: Fuck even neutral ev is rare
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punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTxc98nUkAAS7tX.jpg:large ☟︎
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1T08n8S )
BingoBoingo: So qntra's down but there seems to be a law enforcement crackdown on the reddit clearnet markets. "btc is not the future anymore it's really becoming the only option." https://archive.is/Mcerz
assbot: [Source] Gear Heros payment method rant : Steroidsourcetalk ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUIo20 )
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punkman: BingoBoingo: what's "major mg player"?
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davout: salut les assetophiles
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jurov: hi davout
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jurov: we know refined sugar and other white stuff is evil, but last night I was horrified to see how: http://www.explo.yt.s3.amazonaws.com/William-Dufty-Sugar-Blues.pdf
davout: jurov: tl;dr?
jurov: sorry it's scanned...asciilifeform what ocr do you use? ☟︎☟︎
jurov: tl;dr: it corrupted every civilization that touched it, back since crusades
davout: sugar is eval, better switch to cocaine amirite
jurov: i enjoyed the tidbit about coca-cola being a criminal organization since 120 y ago (as decreed by US judge, it got largely ignored)
davout: evil*
davout: well, eval is also evil
jurov: and not diabetes, but psychical disorders and other problems are correlated with refined sugar/white flour/white rice intake ☟︎
jurov: *but also
jurov: dude has new age/yin/yang slant but most information is sourced
jurov: basically, capitalism is fueled by sugar addiction, instead of removing sugar we "invent" cures that can be sold - again this is known but to what degree and how long ago it started!
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adlai: ~10kya. agriculture lets the greedy algorithm compound upon itself
jurov: adlai read it. asians who ate brown rice were completely fine. until the "invention" of white rice
adlai: it's a rather inevitable progression, the only sure way to avoid it is to learn from those who didn't
jurov: it also got me sceptic about other addictives, like easy credit... we can avoid it individually, mirea can even have his hangings... but barring planetary catastrophe
jurov: the civilization will just get addicted to more and more stuff ☟︎
adlai: too much money, too much sucrose... so we blaze across the petri dish, gobbling up agar until we smack into plastic
jurov: and then invent expensive 'solutions' to side effects
jurov: i more deeply comprehended why mircea disdains "progress",it's eloquently explained there ☟︎
adlai: i'm not sure the thing being fueled here is capitalism. i want to say consumerism, but it seems more towards consumptionism, packaged and sold to the consumer as consumerism
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jurov: adlai it's the addiction that enables accumulation of capital and its use in business ☟︎
jurov: societies where wars are fought on honor instead of satisfying the cravings don't need it, also they scarcely need to manage "delayed consumption" so much
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kakobrekla: i have been using xylitol instead of the usual sugars lately and i am still kicking
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326894 < and capitalism ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 10:55:29; jurov: and not diabetes, but psychical disorders and other problems are correlated with refined sugar/white flour/white rice intake
mircea_popescu: o shit, check it out, next line down.
mircea_popescu: how do i do these things.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326903 << until what ? what would you say is the stable solution here ? ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 11:02:11; jurov: the civilization will just get addicted to more and more stuff
mircea_popescu: even if you're not a fan of the foundation of rome/end of thebes mythology, even if you don't particularly enjoy the jewish sodomah/gomorrah stories, what do you think would be the stable solution here ?
adlai: if satoshi cuts down an entire forest to print out leaflets, but nobody reads the whitepaper, did he still make sound money?
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326860 << uncle joe !! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 06:12:53; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTxc98nUkAAS7tX.jpg:large
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326906 no, no, allow me to give you a grandiose anecdote to go with that! so, mp spends 6-700 euro to get new servers at internoc24.com which is supposedly the flagship of the entire "offshore hosting" "industry". in exchange for which payment, the following conversation ensues : http://dpaste.com/1HP9QY2 ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 11:05:17; jurov: i more deeply comprehended why mircea disdains "progress",it's eloquently explained there
assbot: dpaste: 1HP9QY2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdThhb )
mircea_popescu: so now tell me a little more about ddos and basic bojums and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: the simple point of fact is that the kids are idiots. not some of them. all of them. the class arrives already thrown, and nobody can be arsed to put their foot down/
mircea_popescu: so they just hire the scum, and hope and pray. and hey, if the customers are displeased what ever the fuck, it's "best business practices", ie, "all the other shops intown are hiring from the same group of perambulating monkeys. you want these shoes or not ?"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how come 'Russia is no good. What else you got' ?
mircea_popescu: what ddos ? what anything ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform elemetary i was going to turn down his first babble.
mircea_popescu: you ever been in a negotiation before ?
asciilifeform: sure. was wondering if this.
mircea_popescu: yes, this.
asciilifeform: reads almost like a comic caricature of orc sales, where you bid on a pig, and get offered old stinking rat, 'same!!1111'
asciilifeform begins to grasp what mircea_popescu was trying to hammer into his thick head the other day.
mircea_popescu: no dude, let me quote from eulora chan :
mircea_popescu: <DianaComan> incidentally mircea_popescu is that Eulora poster available in some format that can be easily printed? guess it can't hurt to get some copies pinned around the uni campus here
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> where is here ?
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mircea_popescu: <DianaComan> uk, reading uni
mircea_popescu: <DianaComan> http://www.reading.ac.uk/
assbot: Discover the University of Reading - study, live and socialise at one of the top 1% universities in the world – University of Reading ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdTNfl )
mircea_popescu: <lobbesbot> Title: Discover the University of Reading - study, live and socialise at one of the top 1% universities in the world University of Reading (at www.reading.ac.uk)
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> DianaComan have you met any of these brave young fellows populating reading ?
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> the only thing i'd pay them to do is slit their own throats.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> save isis the trouble.
mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> http://danielpbarron.com/eulora/shop.txt updated prices and some new inventory
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdTLUD )
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> or, if you prefer the alternative formulation, http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-11-09.log.html#t04:28:25 ☟︎
assbot: #Eulora log for Monday, 2015-11-09 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdTOzH )
mircea_popescu: <lobbesbot> Title: #Eulora log for Monday, 2015-11-09 (at logs.minigame.bz)
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> btw lobbes could it read the log line instead of the page title ?
mircea_popescu: <DianaComan> heh, I have some coming to me to figure out some Maths really - about 50% run after a few lessons complaining that it is too hard and I'm happy with that ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so, yeah. the herd has won through the age old tactic of "we'll just stick together". because you thought that unions and "collective acton" was good.
mircea_popescu: it's not good. it's not even ok. it is HORRIBLE.
mircea_popescu: it makes the world a shittier place.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326968 << we have this pestilence. in the maths dept of $uni, there is a gigantic wall of leaflets for 'tutoring' flyers, and half of all the phd candidate folks pay their rent this way: helping victims of usa 'schooling' fail more slowly ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 14:59:25; mircea_popescu: <DianaComan> heh, I have some coming to me to figure out some Maths really - about 50% run after a few lessons complaining that it is too hard and I'm happy with that
mircea_popescu: soon enough they unionize themselves out of class, then they show up for jobs and "force" the "evil capitalist" to you know, hire them to randi zuckerberg all over the office.
mircea_popescu: helping my foot.
mircea_popescu: it's dumb-dumb : the phds pay the rents, the scum gets to keep the pretense going
asciilifeform: prolongs the agony
asciilifeform: sorta like american 'medicine'
asciilifeform: the 'unionize out of class' thing is horrifyingly real. in usa we have a custom of 'grade on a curve'
asciilifeform: where literally this happens.
asciilifeform: 'Some data centers in Ukraine had a raid this week and we dont receive the information in time to set the offers out of stock.' << any idea if this is true ?
mircea_popescu: exactly. so what happens next ? a) they show up for work and b) the only work they can do is star in movies, where unfortunate thirld worlders suffer the horrible fate of having their ancestral knowledge passed down at great expense that "white man good, you scum" married to the fact that deep down in his entrails he feels like this is a great thing!
mircea_popescu: and so now you have the whole planet poisoned.
asciilifeform: not entirely off subj, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326848 >> i've begun to suspect that most u.s. folk who know about the police looting are ~in favour~. thinkaboutit: they have no assets to steal. ergo 'those bloody kulaks deserve'. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 04:33:59; punkman: http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/39102
asciilifeform: what can a cop take from the typical american, other than anal virginity ?
mircea_popescu: obviously.
mircea_popescu: russia redux.
asciilifeform: (his mortgage? his cc bill ? college debt ?)
punkman: the car
asciilifeform: punkman: the car is typically either an old rust bucket or deeply creditatronic
mircea_popescu: this myth that usians own cars is laughable.
asciilifeform: the linked article mentioned cops searching pockets and taking as little as 100 usd. and this was meant to provoke outrage, but typical reader quite likely went 'what kind of monster walks around with 100 bill'
mircea_popescu: how many usians under 35 own a car ?
mircea_popescu: their budget is < 500 bucks, which barely buys a bike.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: many, but the car is typically a museum piece
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, EVERYONE in argentina. non 100 bills carry a 5% discount here.
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punkman: can they seize leased car?
mircea_popescu: they can but the lease co gets it back, fines you.
asciilifeform: punkman: just as a mortgaged house - sure. but then all the victim gets is just another debt collector after him
asciilifeform: not quite same as losing actual asset
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so what's eta on qntra?
punkman: maybe 3 weeks? http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Internoc24com/internet/Internoc24com-Internoc24-Paid-for-hosting-took-3-weeks-to-get-my-server-no-support-tic-1157288
assbot: Ripoff Report | Internoc24.com Complaint Review Internet: 1157288 ... ( http://bit.ly/1SHQ9Iu )
mircea_popescu: all etas now upgraded to "basic bojum" level.
mircea_popescu: punkman that site is a known blackmail op.
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mircea_popescu: iirc there was one on bitbet there too.
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punkman: "We dont receive any answer so we have temp. shutdown the VPS. The VPS would be unblocked after the wrong Review is deleted."
punkman: let's see if they ask you take log down
mircea_popescu: the despicable, miserable, filthy truth in here
mircea_popescu: is that i actually make money with these stupid shits.
mircea_popescu: like that's what i want from life ;/
asciilifeform: 'They just resell servers from various other datacenters but appear as if they have their own hardware' << this may well be true. very common scamatron, arse-mouth system.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why this would be a discovery or anythning. this is the business.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck would you expect them do, build dcs ?
mircea_popescu: "this shoe shop just resells shoes from various shoe outlets"
mircea_popescu: REALLY ?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: i thought they shat the shoes out!
asciilifeform: 'only the ancients could build temples, all we know how to do is take shits in'em'
mircea_popescu: no but seriously, this is the job, what.
asciilifeform: somebody, somewhere actually runs dc
punkman: could also read as "they pretend they have own hardware"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not anymore than "Someone somewhere actually runs hydro plant".
kakobrekla: if you dont controll the building , you dont control the server
asciilifeform: for some reason i am reminded of 'farmer's market' sc4mz0rz who load up on monsanto garbage at the big box shop and then resell 'organic tomatoez!!111' to chumpers ☟︎
mircea_popescu: they run the technical side, marketing has got to be wholesaled out.
mircea_popescu: punkman in practical terms ownership of capital goods is very messy. you think gm owns the equipment in gm plant ? as what, outright ? mno.
mircea_popescu: whether they bought their own box and colocated it, or rented a precolocated one from dc is a very fine point.
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mircea_popescu: for one thing, most everyone works with a list of dc approved suppliers anyway.
asciilifeform: unlike a hydro plant, a dc is this thing that, at its practical minimum, costs what maybe 2 or 3 passenger buses do. serious corps run their own. most of my past employers had their critical infrastructure in some variant of own, non-leveraged in-house dc
mircea_popescu: this is a red herring.
mircea_popescu: you're looking at about 1.5bn investment to make a competitive one.
asciilifeform: they weren't nuke-proof, no. but they ~were~ 'oops, i'm an orc and forgot to pay the bills at the place i secretly resell you'-proof.
mircea_popescu: sure, could also retrofit your garage. so ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ANYTHING would be proof that. anything. just as long as done by human.
kakobrekla: its like having money in the bank? is it your bank? no? its not your money.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla do you own the building you live in ?
kakobrekla: my wot does.
mircea_popescu: this is very good, patrimonially. the drawback however is, it's very bad, sartorially.
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326964 < logception ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 14:59:18; mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> or, if you prefer the alternative formulation, http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-11-09.log.html#t04:28:25
mircea_popescu: it just means you don't get out enough.
mircea_popescu: that's the bitch here. there is no closed form solution.
asciilifeform: aha, the good old meatwot problem
asciilifeform: meatwotty enough and you're a peasant working the soil
asciilifeform: the soil of the beloved motherland, aha, but peasant.
mircea_popescu: the very thing of being a merchant is, that you enter into deals.
kakobrekla: i dont pay for it.
mircea_popescu: "i don't own the boat but the merchandise within"
asciilifeform: and closed-form solutions are scarce in our universe, i hear they live in another one where platonic triangles fuck platonic circles
mircea_popescu: that's how commerce works. unavoidably, and to great benefit.
asciilifeform: when works
asciilifeform: when breaks ?
asciilifeform: suddenly it's 1000 ad and you gotta own the castle again, and the staff
mircea_popescu: burn the orcs, rape their women, stgart over.
mircea_popescu: what, you think the redskins got exterminated because people hated niggers ?
adlai thought platonic circles fucked abbottic lines
mircea_popescu: you think i'm speaking of westardian genocide + mass rape cause overactive imagination ?
mircea_popescu: historical necessities, brother.
punkman: speaking of boats, "Prices to move a 40-foot container from Rotterdam to Shanghai drop to $300"
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mircea_popescu: and then it will be 200, and then 100, and then you simply won't be able to get a container there. at all. ☟︎
asciilifeform: what moves ~from~ rotterdam to shanghai ?
asciilifeform: gurlz?
mircea_popescu: you'll just get "tech support" at maersk
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform warheads.
mircea_popescu: believe it or not there still is some west tecvh they've not fully disassembled yet.
mircea_popescu: chinese hobby.
mircea_popescu: you'd fit right in!
asciilifeform: aha, just gotta paint meself yellow
punkman: and in chinoturkic orc news http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1447905179
assbot: Report: 17 Killed in Chinese Counter-Terrorism Raid ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCbKEB )
asciilifeform: iirc cn still runs hydrazine rockets a la su circa 1965.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'd be surprised.
asciilifeform: punkman: i bust my gut from the lulz re: how when cn deals with its vermin there is neverending whine re: 'cruel oppressive dictatorial bootz!11111'
mircea_popescu: in other scientistic news, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/health/quarter-of-men-believe-they-have-man-periods/
assbot: Quarter of men believe they have 'man periods' ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCbOEl )
asciilifeform: wut
asciilifeform: '5pc of respondents even reported suffering from "menstrual cramps"' << this has gotta be a gag
mircea_popescu: unlike what, exactly ?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck isn't a fucking gag.
BingoBoingo: <punkman> BingoBoingo: what's "major mg player"? << A "MoneyGram" agent
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'do not believe those who say 'all the world is shit.' for there also exists piss.' -- my grandfather
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pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I5WylWtkaE << have kulak, will problem.
assbot: Tesla Model S problem with the police - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SHWzHR )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so now tell me a little more about ddos and basic bojums and whatnot. << Fuck there isn't even a business of datacenter
pete_dushenski: "officer, those bad people put CHILDREN in their car's TRUNK!"
pete_dushenski: (tesla model s has two rear-facing 'jump' seats)
pete_dushenski: (complete with 5-point racing harnesses)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and understand, we're not even talking "server" aka 10 bux a month. or "cheap vps". or even dedicated. we're talking guy who walks in, orders 3 boxes, pays cash. and there they sit babbling.
pete_dushenski: tesla copied mercedes w123/w124, obviously
pete_dushenski: http://static1.consumerreportscdn.org/etc/designs/news-archive/cars/2013/03/Tesla-Model-S-third-row-seat.jpg << tesla 'jump' seats, for kulak children up to age ~9.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCcOIw )
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326888 << i don't actually ocr my scans, ever. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 10:52:57; jurov: sorry it's scanned...asciilifeform what ocr do you use?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: in other news, trilema is back on, believe it or not.
pete_dushenski: 'The seat is only suitable for children greater than 37 inches tall, weighing between 35 and 77 pounds'
asciilifeform: holy shit
asciilifeform: nsa gave it back ?!!
pete_dushenski: hoorah !
mircea_popescu: in a sec ima recount the story of this
asciilifeform: right after you put on a new tape bobbin & back up, no ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo and understand, we're not even talking "server" aka 10 bux a month. or "cheap vps". or even dedicated. we're talking guy who walks in, orders 3 boxes, pays cash. and there they sit babbling. << I know seriously what the fuck is these people's allergy to money
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326888 << might interest you https://github.com/jflesch/paperwork ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 10:52:57; jurov: sorry it's scanned...asciilifeform what ocr do you use?
assbot: jflesch/paperwork · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1SHXZSt )
punkman: also, is there anything other than tesseract?
asciilifeform: only thing i ever really tried was t
asciilifeform: problem is that ocr is not so hot for maths
asciilifeform: or just about anything technical
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326937 << i thought this sorta said it all. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 14:54:55; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326906 no, no, allow me to give you a grandiose anecdote to go with that! so, mp spends 6-700 euro to get new servers at internoc24.com which is supposedly the flagship of the entire "offshore hosting" "industry". in exchange for which payment, the following conversation ensues : http://dpaste.com/1HP9QY2
punkman: asciilifeform: even if not for reading, still handy for grepping
asciilifeform: punkman: aha, i had the doug lenat scans OCR'd on some weird proprietary shitware
asciilifeform: sorta worked
asciilifeform: (for grepping)
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327028 << sad sounding farmer's markets. must be an american thing. or non-breadbasketlandia thing. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 15:24:00; asciilifeform: for some reason i am reminded of 'farmer's market' sc4mz0rz who load up on monsanto garbage at the big box shop and then resell 'organic tomatoez!!111' to chumpers
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it isn't sop by any means. but happens occasionally.
pete_dushenski: the joys of 'unregulated' markets
punkman: pete_dushenski: not same profits to be made around here, but people do try to pass of shitty imports as local produce
asciilifeform: iirc cazalla had a tale about chinese strawberries in australia
asciilifeform: re: same
mircea_popescu: ok so. the story, after what was it, 4 days downtime, once the dude finally came back, is, and i quote, "ok I fixed it. give it about 20 minutes". whereupon at my inquiry trhat what was wrong wit hit ?! the response came that "it was turned off for some reason".
mircea_popescu: fancy that!
pete_dushenski: accidents happen !
asciilifeform: l0l looks like mr plug puller from phuctor finally found his way there
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, i could confirm the story that there've been a bunch of stolen servers all through ukr / poland / baltics, "opperation
mircea_popescu: "operation we're losing relevancy storm" or whatever.
pete_dushenski: "operation pushing wet noodle up hill"
kakobrekla gets meat, eggs, many fruits and most veggies straight from source
kakobrekla: could also get milk but i dont use it that much.
asciilifeform: ^ this is sop and it is how they typically bust 1,001 'tor onion' boxes after popping ~one~
asciilifeform: walk in and cart off whole dc
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: same here, save milk, for which the raw unpasteurised variety is de facto illegal here
kakobrekla: legal here.
kakobrekla: which reminds me, i might get some to try to make kefir at home
pete_dushenski sat in on 'public health' court hearing re: raw milk consumption off 'farm land'
kakobrekla: i used to get invited to slaughtering, attended once.
pete_dushenski: some german priestish dude defending the 'rights' of some moo-eyed folks who at the time i took for unrepentant hippies
pete_dushenski: government denied 'rights' in the end. raw milk cannot be taken off of farm it was produced
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform get a load of this : boxen weren't rebooted.
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: what sound does a kefir make as it dies ?
kakobrekla: "pssst" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wai wut ?!!
asciilifeform: unplugged but running on internal reactors, or what.
mircea_popescu has accidentally kefir, throuygh leaving the milk out overnight. it turned, was quite good.
kakobrekla: thats just sour milk, which is great, but for kefir you need them grains.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, whatg, someone is good enough to make it appear continuous while at the same time inept enough to give 4 days' worth of gestapo click tone ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla aok. ianae.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most plausible, from the story thus far, is that the switch got yanked
mircea_popescu: who and why the fuck would steal a switch.
asciilifeform: and how many days' worth of gestapo click tone did phuctor get.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not even'd for today.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: botched installation of mitm crapola.
mircea_popescu: for days ?!
mircea_popescu: wtf, trilema is http! whart mitm ?
mircea_popescu: it's called "relaying".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they have this obsession with 'logging ips'
asciilifeform: (and planting 'ferret cannon')
mircea_popescu: !s ferret cannon
assbot: 0 results for 'ferret cannon' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ferret+cannon
asciilifeform: l0l, mostly vanished from google
asciilifeform: was the official usg/leaked term for their db of browser exploits and automated sprayer for same
asciilifeform: aka 'foxacid' iirc
asciilifeform: (if the names are nonsensical, complain to hitler, not me)
mircea_popescu: "This cost-benefit analysis doesn't end at successful exploitation. According to Snowden, the TAO—that’s Tailored Access Operations—operators running the FOXACID system have a detailed flowchart, with tons of rules about when to stop. If something doesn't work, stop. If they detect a PSP, a personal security product, stop. If anything goes weird, stop. This is how the NSA avoids detection, and also how it takes m
mircea_popescu: id-level computer operators and turn them into what they call "cyberwarriors." It's not that they're skilled hackers, it's that the procedures do the work for them."
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mircea_popescu: herp. nsa can't hire either.
mircea_popescu: the difference being that nsa has nothing worth doing.
asciilifeform: hey they're burglars, not soldiers
asciilifeform: and the 0days are typically worth far more than whatever crapola is being stolen at any given time
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform english words don'\t denote anymore. they aspire.
asciilifeform: not even certain that anybody, outside of hitler's general staff, 'aspires'
asciilifeform: instead they show up and warm the chair, collect cheque
mircea_popescu: http://sluggy.wikia.com/wiki/Ferret_Cannon
assbot: Ferret Cannon - Niftypedia - Wikia ... ( http://bit.ly/1PCfg1M )
mircea_popescu: let the logs reflect.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326916 << the hope is that this point is overstated. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 13:06:00; jurov: adlai it's the addiction that enables accumulation of capital and its use in business
mircea_popescu: specifically, that there are two kids of people : the addicts, who aren't people, and the actual people. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: or in the words of the old guard sicilians, "sell the dope to the niggers, they're animals anyway"
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327066 << why not have price go back over $1k per container ? why have no freight industry at all after price crash and shucking off of excess capacity and firms who can't handle dumping ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 15:35:04; mircea_popescu: and then it will be 200, and then 100, and then you simply won't be able to get a container there. at all.
mircea_popescu: you don;'t understand how the world works.
pete_dushenski: no shit. i'm not 70 yo.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It's alright at 90 you'll start forgetting again
mircea_popescu: lol
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-07-2015#1213241 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 17:19:54; thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: Contravex got Circle of Life stuck in my head.
pete_dushenski: round and round we go !
mircea_popescu: are you complaining about your own blog to yourself ?!
pete_dushenski: lmao
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller's quote. not mine.
pete_dushenski: i wish i was talented enough to 'incept' myself
pete_dushenski: or forgetful enough
mircea_popescu: by 90...
pete_dushenski can't imagine a blog with 75 years of content
pete_dushenski: mind boggling
BingoBoingo: Oh pete started blawging at 25?
pete_dushenski: 22. but that was on old 'car blog' for the first 5-6 years.
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/25/a-retrospective-on-six-years-in-the-car-blogosphere/ << started in '08
assbot: A retrospective on six years in the car blogosphere | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1WzHhWo )
BingoBoingo: Ah, I though pete_dushenski was going to make me feel really old there.
pete_dushenski: http://www.gq.com/story/president-obama-bill-simmons-interview-gq-men-of-the-year << for anyone who wants to test efficacy of their emergency gasmask.
assbot: Obama and Bill Simmons: The GQ Interview | GQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Yiw4MO )
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pete_dushenski: "It’s an alpha-male trick—put someone off-balance, flatter them and bust their chops at the same time. A few minutes later, he was grabbing control of the interview with measured responses, knowing that he didn’t have to perform without cameras or podcast equipment. And so he took his time. And it worked. I mean, how do you interrupt the most powerful man on earth? It felt like the way Federer repeatedly j
pete_dushenski: umped Novak Djokovic’s second serve in the 2015 U.S. Open Final—a savvy trick to disrupt someone’s flow, a seemingly harmless way to gain an edge. It’s what the great competitors do."
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326929 no stable solution in sight. still,there are always dreams like installation of chip to "fix" "disordered" reward neural pathways to keep the bezzle going ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 13:58:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326903 << until what ? what would you say is the stable solution here ?
mircea_popescu: either that or "chosen nation" emerges, butchers pharaoh.
jurov: look what happened to jews or anyone when they touched sugar
jurov: that's the whole point
pete_dushenski: inb4 moses_popescu parts the red data centre
jurov: they may have butchered, but quickly succumbed to same
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mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: <jurov> look what happened to jews or anyone when they touched sugar << They heard there was honey over there, went native and chased it
pete_dushenski: and dipped apple slices in it
BingoBoingo: For maximum beetus
BingoBoingo: This is why some Jewish groups support the whole SJW/SEW thing, because they believe that in his old age Moses transcended to the Mayo Gender and was healthy at all his sizes. Even his terminal one.
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jurov: heh
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pete_dushenski: the vast majority of jooz are seriously braindamaged. tikkun olam is the original papering over of differences between people. as if looking the other way will finally allow the jooz to 'integrate' because standing out for your successfulness is awkward and shameworthy or something.
pete_dushenski: it's most self-loathing, i figure.
jurov: honey comes complete with other nutrients needed to burn it, unlike refined sugar. hence it does not cause such "hunger" for more
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this goes way back.
mircea_popescu: it also comes with built in child protection.
BingoBoingo: straight glucose from monsanto burns just fine. Marathon runners consume gelled satches of it which they litter their ritual grounds with.
BingoBoingo: *satchets
jurov: rly, they do binge on it?
BingoBoingo: jurov: They do during races.
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jurov: *only*
BingoBoingo: Sugar+water+gelling agent+chemical flavor also from monsanto
BingoBoingo: Occasionally flavor from Mallinkrodt
jurov: so, marathon runner during race is fine example of median modern homo sapiens. oooookay
BingoBoingo: Well, seriously look at all they work they do to justify their addiction
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: to the very first tangent out of circular egypt, presumably
BingoBoingo: They are just in denial and keep justifying their addict brain to themselves
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: 'it' is the honey or the jews ?
punkman: nothing wrong with a bit of sugar. if you are going to binge on sugar, you will also binge on honey.
asciilifeform: http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/kenigtiger/503961/73043/73043_original.jpg << lulzy
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1kHPH2G )
asciilifeform: (to aficionados)
mircea_popescu: obama ? alpha male ?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this nonsense.
asciilifeform: neutrino male
kakobrekla: jurov honey still gets converted into fat it you dont burn it quickly
mircea_popescu: since when droning bureaucrat droning on because too petrified of shutting up is "powerful" in any sense ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: wheat power
mircea_popescu: jesus, all the wasted spin.
mircea_popescu: dear "the press" : no matter what pig lipstick you try to put on the current iteration of hruschev, he's still uncomfortable wearing shoes.
jurov: punkman, kakobkrekla honey contains multitude of vitamins and other stuff that helps to digest it
jurov: when you take sugar, body has to take it out of somewhere else
kakobrekla: 'krekla'? come on, is not that bad.
jurov: and damages itself and you feel hungry
BingoBoingo: jurov: I mean the marathon runner is so far in the throes of addiction he will shave his nipples off with synthetic fabric to justify his high https://i.imgur.com/IzbKH9T.jpeg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1kHQ4u1 )
punkman: jurov: what I don't put other food in my sugar? I just scoop it out the box?
jurov: yes, like in the morning
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> mircea_popescu: 'it' is the honey or the jews ? << the honey. feed it to infant, watch infant become really quiet./
BingoBoingo: dat botulism
pete_dushenski: lol my thought exactly
pete_dushenski: https://i.imgur.com/IzbKH9T.jpeg << band-aids on nips are a thing.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1kHQ4u1 )
kakobrekla: anyway, i recommend to anyone who is interested in the sugary topic, to look up xylitol
jurov: i don't say honey diet is not dangerous. just you don't feel so starved
kakobrekla: a sugar that is actually good for your teeth. yes, not a joke.
kakobrekla: among other things.
pete_dushenski: xylitol = dentist recommended, yes.
punkman: also fun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synsepalum_dulcificum
assbot: Synsepalum dulcificum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1YiyN8T )
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> among other things. << Like dog/cat/generalcarnivore poison
kakobrekla: yes, lucky im not a dog.
jurov: well, some dentist recommend fluorine, too. which is rather suspicious.
asciilifeform: the other thing that these faux sugars won't do, is,
asciilifeform: running your brain.
kakobrekla: yes, xylitol wont spike your blood with sugar.
kakobrekla: will release slowly.
asciilifeform: two-edged sword, this.
kakobrekla: but if all suger would be used for brain activity, this world would be a different place.
asciilifeform: brain demands glucose.
asciilifeform: where it comes from, is another matter
kakobrekla: most people eat every day but never think.
kakobrekla: eat sugar
asciilifeform: see also the meth thread
jurov: we have enzymes to convert misc stuff to glucose, but they need plenty of vitamines to work
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> most people eat every day but never think. << newton's 4th law of thermodumbnamycs.
jurov: if *they* aren't supplied, then it goes havoc
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-08-2014#808005 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2014 03:08:03; asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
asciilifeform: an idiot with sugar, meth, bulldozer, or computer, is a higher-powered idiot
asciilifeform: a non-idiot - higher-powered non-idiot.
jurov: btw, another funny point from $book: lung cancer is correlated to... sugar in cigarettes
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jurov: if tobacco is dried slowly, it loses natural sugar and it's fine to smoke
mircea_popescu: next you're gonna say samuel clemens smoke ten cigars a day for seventy years and all it did was to preserve him
mircea_popescu: like salami.
jurov: but obv, it's not dones lowly, and they even add sugar
jurov: whch burns nastily
BingoBoingo: related http://dpaste.com/1GRWSAE.txt
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the ghost of alt.tasteless pines for you
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seriously
asciilifeform: y'know, the place where i found 'the spittoon'
mircea_popescu: well... the hopeful moral in there is that the man STREUGGLES to eat the damned mcflurries
mircea_popescu: so all is well in tardworld.
asciilifeform: STREUGGLES to eat the damned mcflurries << Ohne Kampf kein Sieg (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: ('without struggle, no victory')
trinque: remote host certainly did not close the deedbot connection...
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> most people eat every day but never think. << newton's 4th law of thermodumbnamycs. << "We thought . . ." "That's what the turkey thought! Think less and you'll be better off." (tm) (comrade solzhenitsyn)
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the history of the saying 'the turkey also thought...' is possibly interesting
pete_dushenski: conversation followed gulag prisoners voluntarily giving up tobacco, bacon, tea, sugar, money, etc to 'staff' in exchange for 'receipt', never to see it again
asciilifeform: the full version is 'turkey also thought, but ended in the soup anyway'
pete_dushenski: turkey also thought butcher was his friend. until thanksgiving came.
pete_dushenski: butcher fed turkey every day for years, reinforcing friendly sentiment
asciilifeform: the anecdote is that once upon a time, a peasant was selling a turkey, a rarity at the time; and that he knew that a parrot sells for 15 talers, he asked for 30, given as 'turkey is twice the size.' buyer asked, 'but parrot can talk, can your bird?' peasant replied: 'doesn't talk, but thinks 2x as much'
pete_dushenski: l0l
trinque: lol
trinque: simultanelol
jurov: heh
asciilifeform: butcher was his friend. until thanksgiving came << h. c. andersen had same story, at some length elaborated, but with a pig and christmas
pete_dushenski checks hardbound illustrated hc anderson volume next to him
pete_dushenski: 'taschen'
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asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: hardbound illustrated hca << getting son started on 'little matchgirl' et al early ?
mircea_popescu: trinque huh ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: could just be freenode being a pain. I notice that deedbot- will say on this end that "Remote host closed the connection" and on the deedbot- end that he looks like he was disconnected by the server.
mircea_popescu: imo the VERY best story of thanksgiving friends is made by pretty much the only thing worth the mention culturally to come out of the bit of romania currently stranded as an "independent state" because russians.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: you know it !
mircea_popescu: here it is : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aerj4qXPHJc
assbot: Prikoke (fabulă animată) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1YiBKGD )
trinque: I've got a common lisp version of the bot baking which phf helped on, handles all this much better.
mircea_popescu: but generally their (planeta moldova) work should be pretty hysterical to a russian speaker with ro knowledge
mircea_popescu: as it is vice-versa.
asciilifeform: l0l i think i saw this one!
pete_dushenski: #bitcoin-lispettes
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jurov: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/22/magazine/the-doomsday-scam.html?_r=0
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1NedC67 )
jurov: ‘‘Red mercury has a red color, and there is mercury that has the color of dark blood,’’ he said.
jurov: ‘‘And there is green mercury, which is used for sexual enhancement, and silver mercury is used for medical purposes. The most expensive type is called Blood of the Slaves, which is the darkest type. Magicians use it to summon jinni.’’
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asciilifeform: !s red mercury
assbot: 0 results for 'red mercury' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=red+mercury
asciilifeform: could've sworn we did a length thread re: this philosopher's stone in 2013
asciilifeform: *lengthy
jurov: yes. but this is so funny
jurov: "Identifying such cheats was easy, the smugglers said, because real red mercury is attracted to gold but repelled by garlic."
kakobrekla: irc is a pain. you would not believe what idiocies i had put in assbot to keep it as stable as it is.
asciilifeform: and these are the folks mircea_popescu tells us are the alternative to decaying west.
asciilifeform: run moar jihadcrypt (tm) (r) on winblowz, take more gps selfies, eat moar redmercury...
asciilifeform: i forget, does magical red mercury convert goats to houri prior to fucking ?
jurov: it does everything
asciilifeform: and what is the required dose.
jurov: ‘‘It is not only about getting the red mercury,’’ he said. ‘‘The very small box needs special equipment to open it, and special reactors to work with it. If you open this box, a radius of eight kilometers around you will be destroyed.’’
asciilifeform: 'Another time, a French jihadist hired him to find a Turkish domestic cat; Syrian cats, it seemed, were not the friendly sort.' << l0l!!
kakobrekla: trinque is that lisp bot going to be decoupled?
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jurov: "Russians safeguarding the stock late in the Cold War cached tiny reservoirs of red mercury in sewing machines and radios bound for export" ahahahaha
asciilifeform: '‘‘Specific machines,’’ he said, ‘‘with a butterfly logo on them.’’ He said he knew this from experience because the red mercury used in the jihadists’ chlorine experiment in Ras al-Ain had come from his grandmother’s machine.' << l0lzy
asciilifeform: 'In southern Africa, it has cost lives. According to a regional and especially cruel variation of the legend, the substance is found in conventional military munitions, particularly land mines, there to be claimed by anyone daring enough to take them apart and extract the goods.' << brilliant and ought to be encouraged
asciilifeform: and how come nobody ever placed small qty of gold or other valuable into mines ?
asciilifeform: let'em ~attract~ idiots instead of leaving matters to chance
pete_dushenski: even place large quantity of gold in land mines. hell, make the land mines ~entirely~ out of gold. not like the yellow stuff has any better uses. ☟︎
pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUHr_6_UwAAlZai.png:large << california water reservoir levels.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1kHZNk9 )
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: and watering lawns is mandatory there.
pete_dushenski: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUHOW_HUYAAm3tb.jpg:large << http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/19/us-egypt-crash-islamicstate-photo-idUSKCN0T725Q20151119#J2WXdJYzb5xbmsoH.97
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1kHZXb3 )
assbot: Islamic State says 'Schweppes bomb' used to bring down Russian plane| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1kHZZzN )
pete_dushenski: sorta like molotov, but fizzier
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-11-2015#1326494 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 18:02:54; ascii_field: pete_dushenski: supposedly isis supposedly released supposed photo of the thing a few hrs ago.
asciilifeform: ru rags had photo.
pete_dushenski: well, for teh log readers then
asciilifeform: one thing i don't get
pete_dushenski: and not sure it's 'lawns' so much as golf courses that are sucking up cali's water.
asciilifeform: so, sure, the claim implied by photo is that the can was filled from the bottom
asciilifeform: but why was it necessary to cut the whole bottom off and glue back?
asciilifeform: why not one hole ?
trinque: kakobrekla: yep, same core + services approach
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> irc is a pain. you would not believe what idiocies i had put in assbot to keep it as stable as it is. << i have a vague idea.
pete_dushenski checks stats : there are 1`151 golf courses in the state of california
pete_dushenski: average area of ~150 acres each
mircea_popescu: <jurov> "Russians safeguarding the stock late in the Cold War cached tiny reservoirs of red mercury in sewing machines and radios bound for export" ahahahaha <<< there is a very popular east european scam where "german collector" announces he is paying very high sums for "old german sewing machines".
asciilifeform: and, for that matter, why not fill the can with trotyl, squib, and radio, ~at the bottling plant~ ?
asciilifeform: (how to break the gaussian contour of the can so radio works, is exercise for the reader)
mircea_popescu: as in make the can plastic.
asciilifeform: one variant.
pete_dushenski: each golf course in california use 400k - 800k gallons of fresh water per day
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> even place large quantity of gold in land mines. hell, make the land mines ~entirely~ out of gold. not like the yellow stuff has any better uses. <<< this is for sure how i'd be running the vault.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski now check stats on agriculture area.
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pete_dushenski recalls something about 1 litre of fresh water per SINGLE ALMOND in california
mircea_popescu: and the 800k gallons figure is nonsense. 3.2 cubic meters of water srsly ? 150 acres is what, half a square km ? so you're supposedly doing 4 * 8 * 10^5 * 365 / .5 / 10^6 = 2336mm rainfall a year ?
mircea_popescu: what exactly survives this deluge, algae ?
jurov: why it's so unbelievable so much water can evaporate in cali?
mircea_popescu: you familiar with rainfall levels in teh world ?
jurov: 2 meters per year is nto so remarkable
BingoBoingo: Here we had one decimeter of rain over Monday and Tuesday
mircea_popescu: it's not remarkable for the fucking monsoon season.
jurov: it's almost one meter/year here. and here's much cooler
mircea_popescu: where i'm from it's ~500
pete_dushenski off for walk. will check maths.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess maybe ? strikes me as fucking insane, but then again i guess that's their point
deedbot-: [Qntra] Paris Mass Shooters Used Plaintext SMS to Coordinate - http://qntra.net/2015/11/paris-mass-shooters-used-plaintext-sms-to-coordinate/
phf: BingoBoingo: tend to involve more typically involve
funkenstein_: it's all gonna be fine in cali golfcourses because now we have schnurloser duschkopfen
punkman: wait, didn't mp use cubic meter of water per shower. 3 cubic meters of water for golf course sounds reasonable
phf: BingoBoingo: has responded to the mass shooting has responded to the mass shooting
phf: hot off the press
BingoBoingo: phf: fxd ty
adlai: also Holland vs Hollande
shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3tfog1/a_bitcoin_intellectual_has_some_ideas_on_how_to/cx5t3uk mircea_popescu keks
assbot: Zotamedu comments on A "Bitcoin intellectual" has some ideas on how to make it more popular, especially with women ... ( http://bit.ly/1XbzPkI )
BingoBoingo: adlai: fxd, though I shouldn't have. If he wanted attention paid to his name he should have opted out of government and identified as a public key.
punkman: "There are the things we need to work on to get more women into bitcoin and then the guys will just come as iron dust to a magnet... Porn and cam-shows are good to get some men but they are not enough to form relationships. After all we need a bitcoin women finding a bitcoin man, marry eachother and make a baby. That baby will be born in a bitcoin generation with bitcoin knowledge!"
kakobrekla: sure ladies, line up here.
punkman: gabriel_radio will impregnate for free
mircea_popescu: shinohai summary ?
punkman: or was that someone else
asciilifeform: 'Я по радио влюбилась, я по радио женилась, а потом по радио дочка родилась' (tm) (r) (song)
jurov: gotta ask pete and ben about their bitcoin generation
mircea_popescu: punkman i am not a plant!
mircea_popescu: what, they enameled the courses ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, touchpad unergonomic. http://36.media.tumblr.com/988526e5be129553f39bb433bf36d041/tumblr_n5bjykaDov1rl2t88o2_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1XbDwqp )
jurov: well this needs purpose-designed peripheral
punkman: it's called a cockpit
punkman: http://www.metafetish.com/2008/04/10/too-much-information-about-the-interactive-fleshlight/
assbot: Metafetish - Too Much Information about the Interactive Fleshlight ... ( http://bit.ly/1lx4ahS )
mircea_popescu: Peshawar was known in Sanskrit as Puruṣapura (पुरूषपुर), literally meaning "city of men".
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shinohai: summary: reddit thinks mircea_popescu is little more than misogynist.
mircea_popescu: me ?
mircea_popescu: then again i guess it makes sense, reddit's collectively at that enchanted age when kid walks into bedroom unexpectedly, thinks dad's "beating the shit out of mom". because wut is fuck anyway.
mircea_popescu http://49.media.tumblr.com/b2e46ced831ad974b0896116a5a365f9/tumblr_n5bjykaDov1rl2t88o1_500.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1lx53Hn )
ben_vulpes: buenos dias
ben_vulpes: on the lisp ui thread, a mcclim contributor of yore has started work on clim3, spec and impl: climatis: https://github.com/robert-strandh/CLIMatis
assbot: robert-strandh/CLIMatis · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1Rcxm )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: tried it?
phf: <punkman> http://www.metafetish.com ... << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1sXuHnf_lo
assbot: Metafetish ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1RVi4 )
assbot: Deldo - Vibration Control and Teledildonics Mode for Emacs - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1RVi7 )
punkman was interested in doing complicated gui recently, looked like slim pickings outside Qt
asciilifeform: there used to be 'wx' but afaik - dead
asciilifeform: if you want anything like native-looking gui, it's qt with gasmask, or nothing at all ☟︎
punkman: yes reading qt docs makes implement-everything-yourself-over-opengl attractive
punkman: I don't really care about native-looking
asciilifeform: if it doesn't matter what it looks like, at all, can use the horrendous x11 'athena' widgets
asciilifeform: as featured in clim.
trinque: commonqt wasn't a terrible gasmask
trinque used it
punkman: I'd like to make some peculiar widgets
asciilifeform: the impedance mismatch between all the idiot crud qt expects (own lists, hashes, etc.) and anything sane, is atrocious
trinque: gasmask, we were saying
trinque: but yes, you're just feeling around inside C++ with lisp
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asciilifeform: may as well go in the opposite direction, embed, e.g., 'tinyscheme', in a cpp turd. ☟︎
asciilifeform tried this roughly a decade ago, gave up in disgust
phf: can use http://shinmera.github.io/qtools/ for Qt work from common lisp. adds a thin protective layer
assbot: QTOOLS ... ( http://bit.ly/1I03DiH )
asciilifeform: and say i want to populate a listbox with a lisp list
asciilifeform: what happens ?
asciilifeform: oh and 'Smoke' doesn't work
punkman: any good examples of apps made with mcclim?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not yet, not likely soon.
asciilifeform: at least not of a few yrs ago when i last saw
asciilifeform: motherfucker built on NO machine i could find.
trinque: nah I've got it all built over here
ben_vulpes: punkman: climacs sort of works. beirc is one of those 'look i wrote a thing in clim and oop now i'm working for someone else and have no time to maintain it' ☟︎
trinque: but can't speak for years ago
asciilifeform: trinque: neato
asciilifeform: trinque: post recipe at some point ?
trinque: just whatever's in current gentoo for qt 4.8
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: last i tried climacs, i barfed from 1) PALPABLE keypress delays 2) athena
asciilifeform: if i wanted to feel keypress delay, i'd install ms-office.
phf: punkman: mcclim itself has a handful of examples, but https://common-lisp.net/project/climacs/ and https://common-lisp.net/project/gsharp/
assbot: Climacs - a Common Lisp Emacs implementation ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1T8Wy )
assbot: The Gsharp interactive score editor ... ( http://bit.ly/1I1TaxN )
trinque: legend has it that if you say climacs three times gabriel_laddel appears
ben_vulpes: climacs
ben_vulpes: climacs
asciilifeform: if you say it five time, he... climacses ?
trinque: lol!
phf: punkman: it's really experimental technology. ~giant~ multilevel spec, implemented by a handful of enthusiasts. only worthwhile if you're prepared to spend large fraction of your time on improving and debugging the gui code itself. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i think the technical term for this, is
asciilifeform: 'turd' ☟︎
punkman: klyemax
punkman: phf, confirms my suspicions, nobody actually makes apps with it, just masturbation
ben_vulpes: you call it masturbation, i call it a dalliance with what might have been. ☟︎
phf: ^
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: go straight to the symbolics emulator for that
asciilifeform: (there even is a mac port, i have not tried it)
phf: punkman: it's a free version of clim, which is a standard. if you're trying to release actual applications on top of climacs your better bet is to buy a lispworks license and use their clim implementation
phf: *on top of clim
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i, like the fool i am, retain hope of putting lispy gui crud places, and so would rather burn the time hacking through mcclim than running the symbolics vms.
phf: (http://www.lispworks.com/products/clim.html)
asciilifeform: phf: i can't fathom why any sane person would voluntarily use a proprietary compiler today
punkman: "intel makes my c++ goes faaaast"
phf: asciilifeform: i enjoyed working with lispworks team in the past. i don't think it's proprietary in the same sence as msvs or such. you have to buy into a relationship, but once you have a contract with them, they are accommodating. you can ask them for source if you actually want to inspect it for lizard hitler traces and compile it yourself
asciilifeform: i did this
asciilifeform: and still wouldn't do it again today.
asciilifeform: certainly not for a project with my name attached.
phf: yeah, i'm leaning that way myself, but i'm not fully convinced yet. i'm for example trying to build sufficient knowledge of cmucl right now, to be able to take full responsibility for the behavior of my deployed system, and it's a ~slow process~. it's handy to have paid professionals assist you
phf: i wouldn't even attempt to replicate the feat with, say, gcc
asciilifeform: why cmucl rather than sbcl ?
phf: the internals are more similar then not, and to fully grok sbcl you have to know cmucl anyway.
asciilifeform: i've arrived at the point where i believe any system where any such thing is necessary, to be braindamaged beyond redemption
phf: also there's less eyes on cmucl, i'm not at all convinced that the politics around sbcl are to my liking, where's cmucl is essentially abandonware. it generates code, it has a nice interpreter, the runtime is smaller, it already has treeshaker, it's got History, etc.
asciilifeform did not know about politics of sbcl
asciilifeform: phf: care to elaborate ?
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phf: it's just impressions. i've been looking at a lot of high traction common lisp code (top quicklisp packages) and there's a lot of senseless turd polishing in the past few years. broken interfaces for the sake of "cleanliness", half baked code, needless macros, dependency hell etc. and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ahahahahahaha
asciilifeform: the mistake here is 'there are maggots in this corpse, they killed the poor fella'
phf: yeah :/
asciilifeform: the maggots only come when the corpse is already a corpse.
ben_vulpes is seeing the rot in webtech takeover of cl
phf: (read the asdf3 code and ioup or whatever that package is called in your spare time and wheep)
ben_vulpes: i found a "webserver" recently whose instantiation blocked the REPL.
asciilifeform: !
ben_vulpes: some gevent bullcrap iirc
asciilifeform: and the thing about tardation is that it is highly contagious
ben_vulpes: http://wookie.lyonbros.com/ ☟︎
assbot: Wookie: An asynchronous HTTP server for Common Lisp | Wookie ... ( http://bit.ly/1I06qs0 )
asciilifeform: 'Cl-async has swapped its backend from libevent to libuv. Please see the v0.6.x upgrade guide if you have not already. There are a number of reasons for swapping out libevent: Libuv is more actively maintained......'
asciilifeform stopped reading after that
ben_vulpes has wandered into a 'temple', most of the gems are missing and the walls are covered in graffiti
asciilifeform: gotta love the let's-embed-moar-weird-c-turds-in-cl folks
ben_vulpes: there is a local in the corner selling finely sculpted figurines of knuth that appear to be made of poop
asciilifeform: wut
phf: oh, that's coconuts, but you still don't want to touch them, since the sanitation no longer works
trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-03-2015#1059454 << time to sell common lisp? ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 04:43:54; mircea_popescu: anyway, you know those stories about how rich guy heard the paupers / shoeshine boys discuss stocks and bailed ?
trinque: was this JP Morgan?
asciilifeform: trinque: or could stick to writing in actual common lisp
asciilifeform: as in, what's in guy steele's 'common lisp the language' 2nd ed.
asciilifeform: and the ansi standard.
trinque: sure sure, was a joke
asciilifeform: for n00bz: it is an actual standard. as in, it will be possible to run code written in 1985 in 2085, should something like a computer still exist, if it adhered to the standard. ☟︎
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phf: yeah, can pick up any code from cmu's ai repository and run on modern cl unchanged
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: just one of the many, many benefits of having something where tards are kept OUT
phf: well, in that respect cmucl is a decent litmus test. every single package that fails to load from quicklisp (named-readtables is the recent offender) turns out to be a turd on a closer inspection
asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise
trinque: !up whaack
trinque: whaack: what do you say you get a bouncer or set your client to not autojoin if you're going to come and go often?
whaack: trinque: apologies didn't realize I was spamming. I'll fix my settings.
trinque: whaack: thanks!
asciilifeform: anybody else's therealbitcoin node behaving strangely?
asciilifeform: socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0 ☟︎
asciilifeform: disconnecting node
asciilifeform: accepted connection
asciilifeform: socket closed
asciilifeform: disconnecting node
asciilifeform: accepted connection
asciilifeform: ...
asciilifeform: classic blackhole, now that i think about it.
asciilifeform: nm.
jurov: something like that happened when i tried it to connect to 0.11
phf: i think maybe it's worthwhile to patch the logger so it doesn't report until the client actually does a read/write. if you do a port scan on yourself, will have same effect
asciilifeform: phf: aha, ditto telnet host 8333
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shinohai: asciilifeform: mine kept connecting/disconnecting all night finally shut it down
asciilifeform: shinohai: if the 'power-rangerism' continues, these will eventually connect only to each other.
punkman: "Should you find yourself in a chronically-leaking boat, energy devoted to changing vessels is likely to be more productive than energy devoted to patching leaks."
shinohai: I have only tried connecting to listed nodes on the wiki ... was connecting to mp's node before that Ukranian bs
gabriel_laddel WOOSH
asciilifeform: shinohai: thing is, the protocol has neither crypto nor authentication (and the former is meaningless without the latter) and so neither you nor i have the foggiest notion of what we ACTUALLY connect to. ever. ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: you called?
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trinque: gabriel_laddel: good afternoon
phf: gabriel_laddel: you should make a bunch of cool masamune screenshots :)
gabriel_laddel: phf: sort of related - I put together a new McCLIM website with fancy screenshots
gabriel_laddel: it has yet to go online
gabriel_laddel: trinque: how goes the move-in? I saw that you're still living with family?
phf: it needs more "totally not staged doing serious bidness" shots
trinque: yeah taking it easy, haven't seen them in about two years; I'm in no rush
gabriel_laddel: phf: for that: video.
gabriel_laddel: phf: which works fine without slowdown etc
gabriel_laddel: in other masamune news - I'm working on automating the entire build right now.
trinque: gabriel_laddel: I've been making excellent use of conkeror for a while now
gabriel_laddel: trinque: did you ever end up parenscripting it?
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trinque: nah, I'm not convinced I'd gain anything from that
trinque: but then, if you already have it's not as though I wouldn't look at it
gabriel_laddel: I sunk a lot of time into it (and got it working) only to realize that I don't want to javascript no matter how s-expressiony it is. ☟︎
asciilifeform: first step on the road to where i am.
punkman: http://i.imgur.com/lFOj8oz.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXAe4r )
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: lol, I've put off learning ternary specifically so I don't end as one of those "homeless math people".
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: there are worse thing to end up
ben_vulpes: fed and bored, for one.
asciilifeform: or richpoor ☟︎
asciilifeform: or whatever word describes the sort of chimera i am
gabriel_laddel: Rather than die of hunger, I'd sooner eat a roast!
ben_vulpes: subject of newtardation, is smartparens vile or am i doing it wrong?
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I used to use parenscript, but cannot speak to smart parens.
asciilifeform: 'In smartparens, when you input a pair-able character: the matching pair gets inserted, too, and point is positioned inside the pair:...' << FOR FUCKS SAKE WHY ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: CLIMACS (ugh, needs a new name) has "structure editing" facilities, but I've not bound them yet.
trinque: ben_vulpes: I tend to swing like a monkey on the enclosing characters with evil's % and add/remove them myself
BingoBoingo: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2015/11/18/jared-fogle-subway-prison-child-pornography-russell-taylor/75934522/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: what exactly are you objecting to?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: e.g., interlisp had a structure editor
gabriel_laddel: twas nifty from what I've heard
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you not use paredit?
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/11/19/female_terrorist_hasna_aitboulahcen_apparently_upset_about_police_assumption.html
assbot: Female terrorist Hasna Aitboulahcen apparently upset about police assumption. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXBDbj )
BingoBoingo: Three police officials have told the Associated Press that a woman who died in the police raid was Abaaoud's cousin. One said the woman, Hasna Aitboulahcen, is believed to have detonated a suicide vest Wednesday in the building after a brief conversation with police officers.
BingoBoingo: The official confirmed an audio recording, punctuated by gunshots, in which an officer asks: "Where is your boyfriend?" and she responds angrily: "He's not my boyfriend!" Then loud bangs are heard.
gabriel_laddel: !s the translator did not miss them, they were not there
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gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I said "parenscript" earlier and meant "paredit". Time for coffee.
adlai doesn't understand why anybody building 'professional' (as in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861 ) tools would even want to use CLIM... maybe he's just a sucker for text
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ag3nt_zer0: seems like some pretty dark statistics here... shouldn't "we" be concerned? or am i missing something? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjvPj7WAX7A
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gabriel_laddel: adlai: imagine for a moment that you're writing a program which abstracts over a lab instrument's controls and does a visualization of the information it reads. The requirement is that people who use it will be intelligent, but not necessarily programmers. ☟︎
gabriel_laddel: They'll need to "export" the data to .csv, in a button press have an email drafted for them with the attached file using data selected using a slider etc
gabriel_laddel: adlai: if you think computer graphics are in anyway useful -> CLIM. Else, have fun trying to map the notion of a "presentation" to emacs text (see the magit and org-mode sources).
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327460 << today as in 2008, because hey. PROGRE-SS. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 19:39:55; asciilifeform: if you want anything like native-looking gui, it's qt with gasmask, or nothing at all
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327472 << afaik this is how the dilemma is resolved in any shop that ever tries it. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 19:44:35; asciilifeform: may as well go in the opposite direction, embed, e.g., 'tinyscheme', in a cpp turd.
asciilifeform: tbh there is no sane way of doing it because it is a contradiction in terms - 'sane' and 'os native' together would require... sane os
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: correct. e.g., 'gimp'
mircea_popescu: i don't mean hobbist projects, owned and managed by the v ery enthusiast in question. i mean shops. with management
asciilifeform: and there. scripting engines for games (e.g., 'abuse')
mircea_popescu: which is why pre-ba, all people i knew that knew what lisp was knew it was "oh, scripting language. pretty nifty."
asciilifeform: pretty much the only widespread public mention, if you go by 'what's in the bookstore' metric, was autodesk's 'autolisp'
mircea_popescu: "lua with weird syntax" har har
asciilifeform: (the ext lang in autocad)
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asciilifeform: which is about on par with emacs lisp in terms of 'it is FOREVER 1972 and not in any good sense'
mircea_popescu: because check it out, once it needed to open up an interface autocad did exactly what gimp did.
mircea_popescu: har har #2.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform odd that the idiot horde can keep SOME things frozen in time.
mircea_popescu: just so happens none of the things we want it to.
asciilifeform: actually it is an artifact of the fact that a schoolboy implementing a 'simple lisp' ends up bringing long-solved problems (e.g., 'the funarg problem', 'lisp is interpreted ergo slow', etc) back from the grave
asciilifeform: without exception.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327484 << so you mean, "open source". ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 19:47:01; ben_vulpes: punkman: climacs sort of works. beirc is one of those 'look i wrote a thing in clim and oop now i'm working for someone else and have no time to maintain it'
asciilifeform: open sores.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327499 << is multilevel here meaning something like it does in "multilevel marketing" ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 19:49:28; phf: punkman: it's really experimental technology. ~giant~ multilevel spec, implemented by a handful of enthusiasts. only worthwhile if you're prepared to spend large fraction of your time on improving and debugging the gui code itself.
BingoBoingo: open sore ass
mircea_popescu: random lulz : sorana (almost spoken as sore-anna) is a perfectly legit ro name.
mircea_popescu: inexplicably, not really popular as working girl working name. for some reason.
asciilifeform: generally 'multilevel' in software is kinda like the multiple layers of dodgy wallpaper in a communist flat
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327501 << for a moment i thought you were going to say "operating system". ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 19:50:00; asciilifeform: 'turd'
mircea_popescu: or you know, gcc.
mircea_popescu: or...
mircea_popescu: wait for it...
mircea_popescu: OPEN SOURCE
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327504 << what is this, the 70yo to the next generation ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 19:51:15; ben_vulpes: you call it masturbation, i call it a dalliance with what might have been.
BingoBoingo: Dietary protein goes monsanto http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/DevelopmentApprovalProcess/GeneticEngineering/GeneticallyEngineeredAnimals/ucm466214.htm
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mircea_popescu: " and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders." << there's more than one ways to go about fucking over the competition.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the google hiring of turds a la hearn and a whole raft of others to be specifically intetional.
mircea_popescu: let bezos headhunt them and die, sort of logic. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327547 << if you look through the logs, i hit alf/others over the head about 3-4 times with the "you only perceive lisp as so because not yet popular". ☝︎☟︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 20:14:05; trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=20-03-2015#1059454 << time to sell common lisp?
mircea_popescu: they usually faint and lose any memories from the past hour.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327554 << by this criteria it is still possible to fly buran to space! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 20:15:45; asciilifeform: for n00bz: it is an actual standard. as in, it will be possible to run code written in 1985 in 2085, should something like a computer still exist, if it adhered to the standard.
trinque will forever imagine soviets riding a vacuum cleaner into space
trinque: one name good enough for all glorious soviet product
mircea_popescu: ehehehe
mircea_popescu: now you know what populared my imagination coupla decades ago.
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phf: multilevel as in specs out from framebuffer up, rather then single slice, which is what x11 widget libraries are. clim is more like framebuffer+x11+xlib+qt+"a kind of application"
BingoBoingo: ;;google buran powered dildo
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mircea_popescu: aha
shinohai: ;;more
gribble: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
BingoBoingo: ;;more
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327585 ips should be good enough for everyone ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 20:49:39; asciilifeform: shinohai: thing is, the protocol has neither crypto nor authentication (and the former is meaningless without the latter) and so neither you nor i have the foggiest notion of what we ACTUALLY connect to. ever.
mircea_popescu: !!1
shinohai: >.>
asciilifeform: if you're speaking unsigned plaintext, you're speaking to hitler first and only then to the intended destination.
asciilifeform: if he feels like passing your bits unmolested that day.
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327682 << the thing about the two lisps having STANDARDS (commonlisp and scheme) is that the shit ~washes off~ - because the actual language is not open for amendment ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 22:20:08; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327547 << if you look through the logs, i hit alf/others over the head about 3-4 times with the "you only perceive lisp as so because not yet popular".
asciilifeform: and can be used, with some effort, sans any of the attempts at 'improvement'
mircea_popescu: ahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: oh let me be back after i've laughed this one.
asciilifeform: phf was not exaggerating when he wrote that one can take ai lab algos from 1980s and use UNCHANGED
asciilifeform has done this and intends to do in the future
asciilifeform: but if you want i/o, other than console - you're stuck, aha.
asciilifeform: write your own i/o.
mircea_popescu: for the i guess 6th time :
mircea_popescu: this is only the case for as long as nobody uses it.
trinque: browser <- standardized to hell and back
trinque: SQL
asciilifeform: what's wrong with my pressure hose with which i wash off the 'users' like birdshit from my car ?
mircea_popescu: once it becomes the c, your flimsy "federalist papers" won't protect you any more than yes, what trinque said.
asciilifeform: unlike c-on-unix, i can use cl without any libs
asciilifeform: and get useful work done
mircea_popescu: i wonder why this is so hard to grasp.
asciilifeform: but it is true, 'consumer has come to expect' idiot gui etc.
asciilifeform: possibly because we have differing 'this'es.
mircea_popescu: we can't.
mircea_popescu: this is the substance of the misunderstanding. you imagine that if you take a picture of a pile of objects, you now have a SPECIAL pile of objects, that does other things.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly how 3 yos fall over.
asciilifeform: let's take concrete system?
mircea_popescu: it is also how idiot brits/everyone sunk the entire culture of the west after the war :
mircea_popescu: they took a snapshot of the way educating the young worked, imagined that it's held in place by forces from mythology, and proceeded to "give kids a say"
asciilifeform: the last time i did serious work in cl, it was to run a set of laboratory machines. the only i/o i needed was rs-232.
mircea_popescu: because clearly this is a good thing, not like they'll now be more powerful than whatever force is "opressing" them into education.
asciilifeform: which i implemented using a unix fd callout.
mircea_popescu: next thing you know teaching hasn't happened in 2o years. wow of wow.
asciilifeform: other than this - total self-containment
asciilifeform: as in EVERY MOTHERFUCKING LINE was ansi-compliant cl.
mircea_popescu: it's as if he reads his own text with a different part of the brain.
mircea_popescu: yo!\
asciilifeform: ..?
asciilifeform: how was ~my particular pile~ not a counterexample to 'when surrounded, your magic will be powerless' from earlier ?
mircea_popescu: let's take an imaginary walk together.
asciilifeform takes
mircea_popescu: so we go into this room, where there's all sorts of furniture.
mircea_popescu: you snap out your camera, and take a picture of some objects in this room.
mircea_popescu: this is nice and good.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, if i lean on the pile just the right way, whether you took the picture or not, they will fall down.
mircea_popescu: this happens irrespective of whether they ALSO fell down in your picture or not.
asciilifeform: this is true for everything in the universe other than software. where a picture IS in effect a second, identical pile
asciilifeform: the collapse of the original does nothing to my copy.
mircea_popescu: oh i see, this is true for everthing other than.
mircea_popescu off to ammend the rule, 0 , 1, infitnity MINUS ONE, infinity.
mircea_popescu: my bad.
asciilifeform: when mircea_popescu cooked his koran, did bin laden's koran also burn ?
asciilifeform: ditto software
mircea_popescu: it did.
asciilifeform low on lsd
mircea_popescu: when mircea_popescu burned a koran, bin laden's koran also burned.
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mircea_popescu: why THE FUCK do you suppose they throw a fit ? "because towelheads" ?
asciilifeform: which monastery do i need to train for 20 years in to understand how this works ?
mircea_popescu: a 3 yo's head!
mircea_popescu: you fell through a crack here apparently.
trinque: the koran is not some book; it's an arrangement of ideas in the world
trinque: common lisp too
trinque: I in point of fact cannot use common lisp in the same manner someone might've back whenever
trinque: maybe never will
trinque: the standard existing for whatever value of existing doesn't put a symbolics next to my desk
asciilifeform: trinque: depends what means 'in the same manner.' if you, say, want to be ~employable in it like a 20yo chick was in 1985~ - then no
asciilifeform: if you want the motherfucking code to execute and return same outputs for same inputs - then yes!
BingoBoingo: http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2015/11/19/nematodes-and-your-compounds
assbot: Nematodes And Your Compounds | In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/1kIPuw9 )
mircea_popescu: and yet you write in python.
asciilifeform: i even write in fortran.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's nothing wrong with taking pictures, as a memory aid.
asciilifeform: (which one, incidentally, could do on a symbolics box...)
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mircea_popescu: but it's fucking insane to expect they work magic.
trinque: I'm reminded of the idea that whichever fighter jet is not just itself, but the vast complex which sustains it
trinque: why not ideas as well?
mircea_popescu: trinque that's why i say "it's as if he reads his own text with a different part of the brain."
asciilifeform: trinque: if it were no longer physically possible to run the code, i would agree
trinque nods
asciilifeform: and we may well be approaching this point
mircea_popescu: random arbitrary measure is irrelevant in this discussion.
mircea_popescu: maybe it's possible to paint it green. so what if it is.
BingoBoingo: Also typical Vice.com reporting http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2015/11/18/antibiotics-not-as-easy-as-they-say#comment-263278
assbot: Antibiotics: Not As Easy As They Say | In the Pipeline ... ( http://bit.ly/1X1u6TJ )
mircea_popescu: anyway. the lure of the superman.
mircea_popescu: in truth and honestly, humanity has produced one single great idea since the beginning,
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu is speaking of the ~ecosystem~ (can you get people who will maintain the project? at what cost? where? will they be sane? etc) then everything he said makes sense 100%.
mircea_popescu: and it goes "wouldn't it be great if.... THIS".
mircea_popescu: yeah, it would be.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im speaking of the thing. what were you speaking of ?
mircea_popescu: don't tell me we accidentallied into a public-private corssover where i was discussing public matters and you were recounting your sex life.
asciilifeform: of whether a lone wolf like gabriel_laddel or yours truly can put a lisp system inside a black box and produce a working widget that solves $problem, just like ancestors could.
mircea_popescu: ...
asciilifeform: but in re: ecology, i must not only agree with mircea_popescu, but go further still
asciilifeform: ... you can't hire folks to write sane, reasonable 'c' either
asciilifeform: nor just about anything
mircea_popescu: the problem is not what you call it, but the bizarre notion that there is a switch somewhere.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is necessary to draw this imaginary line, in order to engineer anything without going mad. sorta like the field lines of faraday.
mircea_popescu: in the immortal words of that short, brunette scion of the wealthy dreyfuss fambly (hey, almost like the rothschilds, ok ?) "Ohh.. right. Cause if we're dating, what everyone saw was just a beautiful moment between two lovers."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu does not personally (per own admission) engineer anything and has the luxury of forgoing the line.
mircea_popescu: yea, this is the thing with psychic defenses : they are not optional, but necessary.
mircea_popescu: to stave off going mad.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, do not expect they operate IN THE WORLD!
asciilifeform: going mad is great fun but tends to interfere with paying the bills
mircea_popescu: obviously.
trinque: aw come now, I go mad twice daily
mircea_popescu: yeah but you're not married yet.
trinque: true enough
asciilifeform: now it ~is~ possible to engineer something while being at the same time concerned with where the parts to build $item will come from in the year 2115.
mircea_popescu: anyway, asciilifeform, the objection is not to the "word problem" abstraction cast over the world. it's with the apparent expectation this does something to the world. that's all.
asciilifeform: (but the result will likely resemble usg's aviation design bureaus circa 1970s)
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327681 << l0l, meta-google has the real people ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 22:18:34; mircea_popescu: let bezos headhunt them and die, sort of logic.
asciilifeform: (does it subcontract for meta-nsa...?)
BingoBoingo: <trinque> aw come now, I go mad twice daily << Gotta up the duration and intensity. If you aren't spending at least a week in an insane state you aren't doing it right
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... << l0l, meta-google has the real people ? << Meta Google actually seems to exist
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/11/current-bitcoin-xt-incompatible-with-bip-65/#comment-75969
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mircea_popescu: it IS the meta-nsa
mircea_popescu: old jewish discovery - there can only be one.
asciilifeform: mno it has to be a reservation of 1950-quality human
asciilifeform: y'know, the folks who pop rsa, plant rf bugs in cpu masks, etc.
asciilifeform: and certainly not a gaggle of pederasts in palo alto.
deedbot-: [Trilema] Eulora auction, Sunday the End Of November! - http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-auction-sunday-the-end-of-november/
mircea_popescu: OP_HODL
mircea_popescu: oops
asciilifeform: wai wut
mircea_popescu: OP_HODL < always good for a chuckle.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00051901 = 23.4593 BTC [+] {2}
shinohai: Shout out to btcdrak who was shilling for OP_HODL a few days back
asciilifeform: wai wut
btcdrak *high fives* shinohai
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://qntra.net/2015/11/current-bitcoin-xt-incompatible-with-bip-65/ first line
assbot: Current Bitcoin-XT Incompatible with BIP-65 | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1X1ykee )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00052471 = 15.3478 BTC [+] {3}
shinohai: I wasn't impressed or anything, just ftr
asciilifeform: Ah!
asciilifeform: ph0rk??
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327604 << lol. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 20:55:55; gabriel_laddel: I sunk a lot of time into it (and got it working) only to realize that I don't want to javascript no matter how s-expressiony it is.
btcdrak: fun fact: Mike claims there is no consensus for a softfork of BIP65, yet, a week after release of 0.11.2 which has the deploy code in it, 36% of the hashrate has upgraded to the softfork https://data.bitcoinity.org/bitcoin/block_version/5y?c=block_version&r=week&t=a
assbot: Bitcoinity.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1X1yAcW )
btcdrak: 3 months after release of XT, there 1 block out of 1000 mined.
mircea_popescu: btcdrak next we're going to follow what the solidcoin guy says ? who's next, atlas ? taaki ?
mircea_popescu: gimme a break.
btcdrak: Much lolworthy reading in this thread today about Mike's employment at R3CEV: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3tftas/mike_hearn_now_working_for_r3cv_blockchain/
assbot: Mike Hearn now working for R3CV Blockchain Consortium : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1X1yRwt )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the thing with js is like so : it has two eigenstates. js.1 is "well, kinda useful to do some tasks browsewr side". as exemplified by say the trilema text select thing. way cheaper to do that client side than server side. js.2 however is "deploy code you can update yourself". ie, no need to ask people to update it for you.
mircea_popescu: now, js.1 is how it's sold to users ; but js.2 is why it's appealing to business. and for a long time - really, as long as rsm seemed to have teeth - this appeared to them (understandably) as a required pontoon bridge to have, jic.
mircea_popescu: i can follow the logic.
mircea_popescu: ironially, "programmers themselves" play exactly no part in all of this.
asciilifeform: why would they
asciilifeform: zey are ooonly foolllowing oorderz
mircea_popescu: exactly. sort-of like trying to achieve military results by "asking the troops".
phf: seems like conversation goes back to tomb raiding for books thread. can go and write code according to hyperspec, or vhdl a lispmachine, or whatever, but from b-a perspective the symbolics world of professional men deliberately solving problems with their lisp repl does not exist outside of the log, is superseded by the log. ultimately it's pretty pointless to point at a handful of sources and specs and expect others to share your
phf: castle in the sky visions.
mircea_popescu: armies move because of the interplay of production and consumption. talk to the traders.
mircea_popescu: phf except people on a regular basis DO share others' castles in the sky. it's just that they don't happen to be the very castles people hold most dear.
mircea_popescu: obviously, one's emotion has no public value.
mircea_popescu: (this, incidentally, is the aspirational 2nd eigen state for "art", as hoped-for by various [failed, necessarily] artistes throughout the ages.)
asciilifeform does not expect or want anybody to ~move into~ his delusional castle, but enjoys having phriends, incl. a number of the folks here, who occasionally 'drop by for tea' in it
asciilifeform: the castle of it-is-possible-to-have-a-sanely-designed-computer, for instance
mircea_popescu: ironically, my foray into bitcoin was started by random guy on the internet [at the time hadn't used irc at all in decade +] insisting i move into his "GPG" castle.
mircea_popescu: and i was like, wow, srsly ? they got a castle ?
mircea_popescu: possibly all the trouble since then entirely rests on mp's pathologically complex misunderstanding of what that original guy actually meant.\
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327611 << reminds me of the "fathin", the guy who's only fat in the belly, skinny arms. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 20:59:26; asciilifeform: or richpoor
asciilifeform: aha the grotesque parallel is deliberate
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327616 << in this brothel when yo utake off your pants, so does a harlot. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 21:05:11; asciilifeform: 'In smartparens, when you input a pair-able character: the matching pair gets inserted, too, and point is positioned inside the pair:...' << FOR FUCKS SAKE WHY
mircea_popescu: as well as a well built man
mircea_popescu: and somewhere in the horse, you can hear a distance squeal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform does "Hasna" mean anything in russian ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: romanians took it from turkic, made it be "shittery"
asciilifeform: nope
mircea_popescu: ;;google haznaua politica
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BingoBoingo: What USia runs on https://imgur.com/a/lEsGf
assbot: CPS - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1X1zZQY )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327635 << i think this idea was buried cca 1962. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 21:26:05; gabriel_laddel: adlai: imagine for a moment that you're writing a program which abstracts over a lab instrument's controls and does a visualization of the information it reads. The requirement is that people who use it will be intelligent, but not necessarily programmers.
mircea_popescu: mostly because it had been dead so long it was stinking up the place.
mircea_popescu: the last time someone could be useful in a professional capacity but not a programmer was perhaps 1935 ?
mircea_popescu: this is like proposing to make a book for "intelligent people that aren't necessarily literate" cca 1215. orly ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00051693 = 21.7628 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: but speaking of programming, http://49.media.tumblr.com/3b0a1a986a03880e92824966aa78d1b3/tumblr_mzv4a5cmSh1rmytn5o1_500.gif
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MqhXj4 )