shinohai: Now how will we ever know if mircea_popescu fools around with tulpas
mircea_popescu: if i for some reason decide to review this movie, there goes about 60% of all the google juice and thus existence of the whole anglotard appropriation effort.
mircea_popescu: what exactly is "log onto the internet" supposed to fucking mean ? aol ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 00:44 mircea_popescu: a government can never be solvent ; a government can never operate legally.
mircea_popescu: yes. but any individual thinking himself protected because "government told me so" will still hand.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what trump is gonna do ; maybe he hangs everyone ever involved with the democratic party. maybe he doesn't. if i end up in power however - i do.
mircea_popescu: were you part of "modern democracy" ? you're crow food.
mircea_popescu: and why not ? the way these things work, "everyone knew" what the sa was up to. except, of course, for everyone, from pappen down.
mircea_popescu: nra's existence is not mega seekrit, among numerous other such things. much like sa's existence was not secret, but also not relevant. the commies had bigger and for that reason supposedly better paramilitaries.
mircea_popescu: note that many people drove over to defend weirdo cattle farmer.
mircea_popescu: how many ? 10k ? 100 ? 1mn ? only one way to find out.
mircea_popescu: all he has to do is the traditional 1936 "march in defense of values" bla bla.\
mircea_popescu: honestly i give it even odds the whole affair ends up with hillary behind bars.
mircea_popescu: she's ~ in the position of argentina's ex-chief-whore.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [1/5] [21:05:39] <trinque> and de-dns'd
scriba: [4/5] [21:31:35] <mircea_popescu> in other random, anyone play a game called "wyvern" ?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [23:41:19] <shinohai> Best trilema article I have read all week too
shinohai: Well, I sometimes go back and read older articles, I should have clarified.
mircea_popescu: back when i was younger i wrote twenty articles a week!
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [21:05:39] <trinque> and de-dns'd
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [23:55:32] <jhvh1> shinohai: in a strange monastery with its regulations do not go
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: Also fixed Qntra bot on twitter until next time it breaks
☟︎ jhvh1: You are very welcome Daddy
thestringpuller: nah. this book was launched as part of a "touring strategy" because 5 wheel solutions can't get any actual work
thestringpuller: like when Rick James decided to go on tour and play his oldies when he ran out of money to buy cocaine
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [01:02:17] <thestringpuller> so derpopulus is bleeding money so he wrote another book
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i do not have sufficient lsd to say what. << Go to any big box garden center. Search the housplants for a big ole San Pedro cactus, they will have at least one. Eat the whole thing.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: he could also go to cow pasture and look for mushrooms.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Nah, the grow on shit prolly tast like shit.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Remember these folks are just that loath to admit that they, themselves are broken and suck.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: I have not seen brendafdez.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well sometimes transmission lacks will and wheels?
shinohai wouldn't be surprised if this thing has fix-a-flat titjob
BingoBoingo: Why wouldn't you want to know how polyurethane foam is being abused
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It could be supremely memetically comfortable. Many folks now prophylactically get their lawn tractor tires filled with fix-o-flat!
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [01:31:24] <asciilifeform> 'she who wears the magic bracelet of future-self delegation
http://i.imgur.com/5Bfq4we.png prefers to do as she is ordered'
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [01:57:58] <BingoBoingo> I was not surprised twas a white gurl
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [02:10:01] <asciilifeform> the 'mealsquares,' that is.
mircea_popescu: but the man-whores ARE prisoners in political solitary.
mircea_popescu: sorry i meant to say "computer programmers" not man-whores.
mircea_popescu: Anna told me when she first became the executive director of CFAR, she suddenly had many more decisions to deal with per day than ever before. "Should we hire this person?" "Should I go buy more coffee for the coffee machine, or wait for someone else deal with it ?"
mircea_popescu: looks homemade, so who the fuck can tell. maybe it's the dreamcather anti-quisling device or w/e it's called.
mircea_popescu: "No. I am asking: Where do rationalists come from? How do we acquire our powers?"
mircea_popescu: i find it funny how they always fail on the most basic of questions. "who are you ?" "powers ? what powers ?" etc.
mircea_popescu: currently appears as "coven of women wanted to be slaves - as women often do ; ended up stuck with a bunch of beta dorks, because whereby to get a master! did the best possible under circumstances, which is... at best pretty fucking weird."
mircea_popescu: i mean what the chick describes, "you dumb slut, when your master tells you to go the fuck outside you go the fuck outside, what arguments" is very basic slavegirl experience. the cruft she builts all around it though...
mircea_popescu: what "imagine future self" for crying out loud. how about imagine your future butt. with welts and all.
mircea_popescu: yes, but the PLACE WHERE THEY'D GO is manifestly there.
mircea_popescu: much like kid in soviet lands, with a catalogue for to apply stamps for a prize. there's the spaces clearly delineated ; and no stamps. ever.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. i imagine in typical style of the poor peasant girl, they tell themselves the reason they don't get to go to the seaside is because they're better than that.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re "handful of biological women" : there was at no point in the history of porn that i;m aware of, a differential lower than three degrees of magnitude between the chick count and the dork count.
mircea_popescu: so.. handful of girlz, yes, and a bunch of dorks, yes. numbers check out.
mircea_popescu: see, the delusion of choice adds like two to twelve zeroes.
mircea_popescu: as older wouldn't be relevant to the story, being later. who knows, maybe she grew up to worship my footsepts.
mircea_popescu: but in any case : you couldn't just BUY a hotel reservation. you had to get tickets.
mircea_popescu: if you tried to camp on the sea you'd have been arrested and sent to work.
mircea_popescu: the #1 thing i liked about ro socialism and dislike in us socialism is this. idleness was fucking illegal, "homelessness" meant the police picked you up, beat you up, and sent you to work camp.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: бродяжничество
jhvh1: asciilifeform: parasitism
mircea_popescu: parasitism = mp lives off his investments. vagabondaj = alice_ is not sucking cock.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (i ~wish~ i were making this up... but: the 'rationalists' have this... sacrament? where they sit around in infinitely recursive stupour, contemplating 'future self') << HERETICS ACTING FROM PURPOSE
BingoBoingo: Looks like MAO-ism in the Nepali sense where every political party is a different kind of MAOist party
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
trinque: "hymn" in romanian according to cursory googling
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 613.23, vol: 4473.92758409 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 608.178, vol: 3866.27835 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 618.99, vol: 5902.85970551 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 612.465038, vol: 233710.90860000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 615.5, vol: 1011.87424192 | Volume-weighted last average: 612.579248193
hanbot: i think tropar is solely for hymns about saints or religious occasions. otherwise there's all sortsa hymns (imnuri), iirc there's even one for some mental hospital
mircea_popescu: !~later tell asciilifeform it's either a short church hymn or (as used here) the "general rule".
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
hanbot: "Now I am my current weight" << I bet she calls it Her Weight.
mircea_popescu: fatlogic. so fat woman isn't going to tell him all he wants ot hear ; this is a skinny chick skill only.
mircea_popescu: somehow the fact that the skinny chick does all the talk the fat chick would gladly do in her stead AND ALSO HITS THE GYM is to escape our notice. because... shallow.
hanbot: That is obsured. You need to open up your eyes if you wish.
mircea_popescu: lol this dumb shit seriously exist ? "find a gold digger online dot com" ?
mircea_popescu: actually this thing might have the largest female population, simple because seeing pretty brunette with old looking rich dude is like salt in fatty's wounds. and what tru woman can resist salt in her wounds ?
deedbot: ascii_zimbabwe voiced for 30 minutes.
ascii_zimbabwe: fiber dead. zoolag and asciilifeform down until tomorrow noon at earliest.
BingoBoingo: And then goes down to back up blockchain and block index
trinque: because trb demons not fully enumerated
BingoBoingo: ABout block index getting corrupted and resync hell if power blips in wrong way that exceeds otherwise ample batteries
ascii_zimbabwe: anyway i suppose it's probably time to build that mircea_popescutron.
ascii_zimbabwe: (where failed pipe silently falls back on next pipe, and next, and so on.)
ascii_zimbabwe: i dun have this now only because it doesn't play well with trb.
ascii_zimbabwe: and not, as is not hard to guess, because lacking the pipes.
ascii_zimbabwe: esp. since i dun use konsoomer - or ciscotronic - net hardware.
ben_vulpes: buddy of mine builds, sells and operates linux boxes that mux net connections together for durable connections
ben_vulpes: also leases you the line-of-sight for the top of your building, and that connection
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [00:39:18] <mircea_popescu> now ima have to police my urls o.
Framedragger: ftr there's now a kind of deployment process so i have to make changes in dev branch, make a commit, and then pull from a separate repo which has the dev branch as its upstream. AND I LIKE IT THAT WAY!!1
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [10:05:58] <Framedragger> incidentally, how would one go about doing development across branches in V? or is that fiat fancy to be banished from all that is good? :)
trinque: Framedragger: your branches are merely pointers to different heads in a tree
trinque: V asks you which head you'd like to press
trinque: "automatic merging" meanwhile isn't even a thing. that two hunks in a file didn't collide has no bearing on whether they semantically ought to coexist.
Framedragger: i do see your point. and, sure, branches are pointers to heads
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [09:34:23] <Framedragger> to*
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-07: [09:50:09] <Framedragger> !#hello
jhvh1: shinohai: Error: I need to be at least halfopped to voice someone.
deedbot: GoldBoriska voiced for 30 minutes.
GoldBoriska: !!register 99F6B4D0DC13971D331B0FCFE4F1813EA44CB574
deedbot: Import failed for 99F6B4D0DC13971D331B0FCFE4F1813EA44CB574.
GoldBoriska: !register 99F6B4D0DC13971D331B0FCFE4F1813EA44CB574
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [04:39:50] <ascii_zimbabwe> 'dumpblock' it.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: just so you know, no need to manually alter urls yourself anymore. unless you have a fetish for that, of course!
mircea_popescu:
http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:333/to:333#333 << if you use special order gear the correct move is to put it in the last layer. not like YOUR ROUTER is going down. having the collection of pipes work on heathen hardware is fine ; and until and unless you actually replace all internet infrastructure with s.nsa gear, your sweat used here is sweat wasted.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [04:46:59] <ascii_zimbabwe> esp. since i dun use konsoomer - or ciscotronic - net hardware.
mircea_popescu: learn to not waste sweat, be amazed at extra hands growing out of you!
mircea_popescu: Framedragger tell you what, if i'm on any page like that and i right click an url it gives me a fucked up thing that dun work rather than a link to the thing i right clicked on. so i'm stuck processing them further.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: gotcha. will simply things. unnecessary complexity indeed
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [08:40:14] <scriba> Logged on 2016-09-07: [10:05:58] <Framedragger> incidentally, how would one go about doing development across branches in V? or is that fiat fancy to be banished from all that is good? :)
shinohai: I thought the purpose of V was to excise git-think from the mind.
mircea_popescu: yes, but ideally without leaving any root. so it's best to fully understand what he wants to do first.
mircea_popescu: "don't go to frat party barefoot, here's a car" is a shitload better than "don't go to frat party barefoot, here's the bus to church"
mircea_popescu: (and ftr : the "faster" angle is a minor concern here. human on foot ought to do ~10-12kph ; there's no guarantee car manages to do half that. meanwhile, the "not cutting your soles to shreds" IS a major concern.)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: there is an implied assumption here of a "large enough" codebase (deliberately vague quantifier here). why i'm using it for scriba: 'cause i like it; and the latter's not a great argument. *but* if you have a large enough project with multiple people working on it, then:
Framedragger: 1) you may want to retain several versions of the thing you're developing - production, testing environment, development, some-large-feature-im-working-on-thats-currently-breaking-everything
Framedragger: 2) while automatic merges mask deeper problems (as trinque may have implied) and may or may not be cancer, having many developers be able to work on the same codebase and later easily solve code conflicts is fucking *great*
Framedragger: right. perhaps it's a matter of writing scripts to automate this stuff for V.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: V is a publishing mechanism. it allows people to interact that don't know each other. it is very much like bitcoin : to achieve this glorious ends it has some costs.
mircea_popescu: you and your coworker will likely not need, or want to eat the overhead, of keeping track of who owes who coffee via blockchain. also we don'tgive a shit, sort it out yourselves.
Framedragger: (i understand it's not supposed to make any wanna-be-git development easy)
mircea_popescu: so collaboration, inasmuch as it's a private act (your tulpas, your friends, w/e) needn't be on v ; just like it needn't be on github, or on git. lots of code development happens on the holy napkin.
Framedragger: shit, i just got what you're trying to say - i'm slow. it's only a publishing mechanism. how to collaborate internally is another matter. yes, nice separation of concerns. (though i suspect people have thought how to do proper collaboration in V as well - emails with vdiffs etc)
mircea_popescu: all this said : if you are using v, then the correct way to use v for this purpose is, to make multi signatures. there's "his lordship framedragger, of the most serene republic". there can also be "this'll fuck you up".
mircea_popescu: if people want to have a working product, or evaluate your person, they will put the first in their sig files.
mircea_popescu: but if they want to work with you on X, there's nothing to keep them from putting the 2nd in a - presumably - different environment.
mircea_popescu: the advantages of V remain, such as automatic conflict resolution.
Framedragger: right. i *think* i get it. i mean, fair enough. and i should try to publish with it huh.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally - "conflicts", as a git/github concept are both a) a direct equivalent of doublespends and b) a very convenient and for this reason perhaps deliberate rock under which to hide from responsibility
mircea_popescu: because wener kock's incredibly cheeky "i fucked it all up ha-ha!" is not coming out of the martian spaceship. it's coming out of - hey, we already "solve" conflicts hurr.)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: you mean in the sense of a logical "third"? i'm not sure. i guess i get it conceptually, re. conflicts; but on a more mundane practical level, conflicts happen because, say, two people implemented some particular thing a bit differently; or their feature touched upon code from another place which was also being worked at; whatever
mircea_popescu: no, in the sense "that's all nice and good, but here's what i still want to do and it's not covered"
Framedragger: i don't see why this necessarily yields some kind of conceptual moral failure or whatever
mircea_popescu: ah, that sort of conflict is to be resolved talmudically : they both review the code, jointly issue a version./
mircea_popescu: it takes a bit more time, but it guarantees a result MUCH better than current.
mircea_popescu: the way i see it is, kids today are like, overexcited.
mircea_popescu: they put in 80% of the effort, scoop out 20% of the ore.
mircea_popescu: i am willing to bet you that in any case as we imagine ehre, where two competent coders rushed like teenage athletes to stripper cunt and each implemented slighly variant solutions to the same problem,
mircea_popescu: if they put in the extra half hour to write a joint statement of their individual solutions they'd produce code that'd shame gabriel.
Framedragger: you may be just right; fwiw i have the same inkling feeling, hm
Framedragger: "overengineering minutia and spending cognitive resources on bullshit" - maybe
mircea_popescu is slowly turning into an ancient dragon of the "i hate your kind ; i just don't hate you personally. yet." persuasion.
mircea_popescu: the only definition of minutia acceptable here is "it's in the stdlib dude"
Framedragger: well fwiw i'm not overusing it. i don't subscribe to the "resolve cosmetic conflicts by doing more redundant work" thing, either;and i don't do it
Framedragger: i understand that i'd be more internally..consistent if i just ditched the *whole* thing, however.
jhvh1: shinohai: shinohai was last seen in #trilema 24 minutes and 43 seconds ago: <shinohai> I thought the purpose of V was to excise git-think from the mind.
Framedragger: cosmetic conflict = differently arranged lines or multiple implementations of some simplistic algorithm; overusing the whole "develop in multiple branches and merge things and stuff" thing. sorry - multitasking; trying to eradicate this habit fwiw.
thestringpuller: What happened to not banning gribble! Don't disenfranchise the nice bot!
shinohai: Nothing, mircea_popescu decided to light fire under shinohai 's ass with bickening article I suppose
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i'm not the end all be all in project management for computer software. however, it seems to me "differently arranged lines" is a fucking weird problem to have. really, you can arbitrarily sort programs ? in what language, html ?
mircea_popescu: in general people working on the same (large enough as you said) codebase should have the courtesy to use the same spacing and coding conventions etc.
mircea_popescu: it is prolly best practice to have all serious V projects include a "conventions" file where to list all this. "1. tabs not spaces, bitch!" etc.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: actually fuck, v projects should prolly come with emacs .el file
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: no disagreement there; just pointing out that sometimes small arrangement disagreements still prop up; say, different order of variable initialization (which otherwise bears no actual significance); etc. of course one *could* have a convention spec so precise taht it would include things like "if there is arbitrary order of initialization of $x then default to alphanumerical order".
mircea_popescu: for instance. it is, after all, coding. order is not contrary to results.
mircea_popescu: the problems start when phf will get more people to do knuth style literature
mircea_popescu: but hey, reading each other's novellas is the whole fucking point anywya.
mircea_popescu: incidentally Framedragger the problem of "we'll just initialize in a soup" is a lot deeper than previously thought. in a merciless language like C, the fact that we're the first to come up with the "fucking initialize in alphabetical roder!" is indicative of the brain rot.
mircea_popescu: how do i check if kth of n elements was or was not initialized ? read a list n-1 long ?
mircea_popescu: half the shit you do with c is check whether something was initialized properly. HALF!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ("oh but mp, compiler should check!" "yeah, and your mom should have checked.")
Framedragger: look at that one person knows to actually include human readable timestamp into the inside of a pgp signed message which deals with timing-sensitive info!!!
Framedragger: nasa's coding manual (which doesn't allow recursive code - because the rovers are, you know, sorta far away, and you write in a turing complete language) may have it - i wonder
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, /me has profile on bdsm site. a good third of the others checking it out are self-styled dominant dudes.
Framedragger: they become submissive by entering mp aura zone
mircea_popescu: but to be perfectly fair - it's pretty much the mental default of bois, so. the 1 in 10ish or so dominant chick is probably a larger percentage of the respective population.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [04:39:50] <ascii_zimbabwe> 'dumpblock' it.
mircea_popescu: btw Framedragger, you realise that once i link you, the bots will notice, and you'll eventually get the phf treatment, a month or w/e later ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform jus' sayin', it's a little more elbow grease to dump and eat the whole blockchain than to just make a copy
Framedragger: i heard there was, like, a way to, like, store results from a dynamic system, to be served in a static manner
Framedragger: but in all seriousness, i'm a bit afraid, but it may be good education for me. not that i see this as a game to be fucked up at the first step
a111: Logged on 2015-06-30 19:12 ascii_field: in other nyooz, 'dumpblock' for the sums.txt.gz mircea_popescu set 0..n and subsequent 'eatblock' in brand-new stator - works
mircea_popescu: i have a flag about it but it doesn't link to anything apparently so i dunno what i was thinking.
mircea_popescu: you're going to corrupt all my words people into code people, and then we'll have what, eliza write qntra ?
mircea_popescu: well, bash/quotebot rather than imdb quote db i think.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 13:16 Framedragger: right. perhaps it's a matter of writing scripts to automate this stuff for V.
Framedragger: yeah that i really like. reminds of that bitcoin wallet spec - no non-ascii parts
mircea_popescu: incidentally, asciilifeform : we'll end up with a v-stdlib won't we ? prolly starting with v-cryptolib as a nucleus.
mircea_popescu really has little use for the shit currently shipping with c as a stdlib.
Framedragger: dude, a first-on-the-planet decent cryptolib would be nice
mircea_popescu: Framedragger he's working on it, if you didn't guess from all the "scriptable cryptosystem" talk.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the very notion of a cryptolib being cryptoimplementation shows stupid at the seams.
mircea_popescu: here's a stray thought : if i can't implement EC in a page on your cryptolib IT IS NOT A LIB!
Framedragger: fwiw iirc that lib exposes abstracted parts; but, yeah, no easy way to change those internal parts
mircea_popescu: "this is the tyre store" "do you have tyres ?" "yes, here's an apple audio jack" "this is not a tyre" "allegedly."
mircea_popescu: "how about you know, an actual car tyre ?" "sorry bro. use the headphones or build your own store."
Framedragger: also, while it's not exactly contradictory it's still funny what status bitcoin holds in tmsr's infrastructure, while being based on EC
mircea_popescu: tell you what, if we're ever shipwrecked on a deserted island with hillary, we'll fuck hillary.
Framedragger: that does sound like a plan. total failover scenario #1 recorded, then
Framedragger: asciilifeform: "Everything pertaining to Automake was nuked" - so nice. i used to doubt (or maybe i still do - in itself a healthy habit, perhaps) whether i didn't *get* something fundamental in modern s/w development. (maybe i still don't, of course). "shitloads of build targets and convoluted build chain? maybe there's no way more elegant? i must be a truly stupid person."
mircea_popescu: take the alice character from earlier. the inclination of ~anyone, other than me/us/whatever would be to say "well, let her be, maybe who knows one day does something useful". except it does nothing useful, it only clutters things.
Framedragger: i think my tolerance levels are (finally) decreasing in some kind of accelerated fashion, hopefully in line with growing experience, but there's still ways to go. but yeah, war it is
deedbot: GoldBoriska voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: there's no difference between random dude with bizarro identity issues and random lib with bizarro code footprint
mircea_popescu: they're both things, devoid of "rights", or importance or anything of that nature. and they're both worse than useless, which is to say eat more than produce.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 13:35 mircea_popescu: it is prolly best practice to have all serious V projects include a "conventions" file where to list all this. "1. tabs not spaces, bitch!" etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 13:41 mircea_popescu: half the shit you do with c is check whether something was initialized properly. HALF!
mircea_popescu: outside of actula hard guarantees (v does not allow writing conflicts), that's all you have.
phf: probably sci-hub defense
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> tell you what, if we're ever shipwrecked on a deserted island with hillary, we'll fuck hillary. << think she coughs now? wait until she chokes on all that dick!
Framedragger: there could be multiple monstrosities like this, tho!
mircea_popescu: aand in other lelz, "I can't imagine any foreigner writing down 3 lines of non error text for my life of it. Greeks are not easy to be mastered and he is using them without a mistake. what is considered to be an exception even in between Greeks."
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 14:20 mircea_popescu: then again, trust-but-verify is the correct approach anyway.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i spot check the work of even the most senior girl.
mircea_popescu: trust-but-verify doesn't specifically mean "always check".
mircea_popescu: but yes, part of hte problem with extant c, as a language but more importantly as a paradigm and society, is that there's no way to build trust.
mircea_popescu: ie, young brazillian chick WILL have to have her cooking checked for shit, because apparently wash hands is not universally comprehended in brazil.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: you would be surprised how many girls have to be taught how to wash.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and no, northern hemisphere is not exceptional. us especially not exceptional.
mircea_popescu: apparently people somehow assume younguns just know this, somehow, through osmosis.
mircea_popescu: needless to say, the only thing that occurs through osmosis is an unwarranted conviction that she knows how to do it, and a block towards examination.
mircea_popescu: young mps idea of what a compiler does was, "well it basically completely unwinds the code, so it's all flat, and then checks everything". then young mp saw the first "runtime error" and locked. then told teacher this isn't real programming and he's not interested.
mircea_popescu: this is like you know, "this coffee grinder - doesn't grind coffee". this is pretty serious - what the fuck does it do then ?
mircea_popescu: and it's my job to find the grinds in the kitchen once it's done.
mircea_popescu: check it out, twenny bux bought me an egg hunt machine.
phf: above is ascii's (rather respectable) list of important items and valuables
mircea_popescu: "but mp, if you don't want ground ammo just don't keep crates of ammo in your kitchen" "o ya ? how about i don't keep a grinder."
mircea_popescu: for the curious, leucrota is what happens when a hyena fucks a lioness.
mircea_popescu: this is no small matter, as lions will kill hyenas unprovoked.
mircea_popescu: (the animal doesn't actually exists outside of plinius, but still.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not only that, but hyena is the more efficient.
mircea_popescu: anyway. hyenas are not cats, like lions are, but dogs. even if they've adapted into as much catness as possible. so the two aren't actually sexually compatible.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i'd be unsurprised if there's a market in africa for lion prostitution.
mircea_popescu can readily see how the "african warrior" idi amin mentality would pay to fuck a lioness.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : man and lion have rather comparable penii in size. except the cat, like most cats, has keratin penile spikes.
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, this condition also exists in humans, albeit rare.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [16:03:08] <asciilifeform> pretty lulzy, motherfucking 16TH CENTURY b00k, is NOWHERE on the net.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 15:56 asciilifeform: see also mega-classic ambroise pare's 'monstres et prodiges'
Framedragger: ah damn i must have heard of him in a lithuanian context but i probably know nothing of him, even though evidently i should. /shame
mircea_popescu pictures someone who actually feels shame over not having read the references here. imagine! you got "i used to fuck lions in kindergarten" alf ; native russian poet afficionado and whatever else phf is, then there's the cinematic tradition, and the...
Framedragger: eh, the chan is educational and therefore useful on that merit alone, and that's nice
mircea_popescu: "Whilst the misguided follower climbs with pain mountains of whimseys, heaped in his own brain, stumbling from thought to thought, falls headlong down into doubt's boundless sea where, like to drown, books bear him up awhile, and make him try to swim with bladders of philosophy."
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 19:27 asciilifeform: 'AirPods will use Infrared sensors to detect when they’re in your ears, playing only when they’re in your ears. The setup process is super easy — connect the AirPods once to your iPhone, and the AirPods instantly sync over iCloud to your other devices. From there, you never worry about them again.' >> oblig. >>
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752 deedbot: malcomxxx voiced for 30 minutes.
malcomxxx: How i can made btc ? can some one help me out ?
mircea_popescu: which is most of the reason chicks even get headphones.
mircea_popescu: you seem to be ~the only one who cares about that particular fanclub though.
mircea_popescu: sure, butthat's somewhat of a different kettle of fish.
mircea_popescu: of course they gotta join forces. they stand no chance.
PeterL: speaking of books, mircea_popescu have you read "The Prince" by Machiavelli? I have been reading it and for some reason it made me think of you (though I expect you would read it in the original Italian?)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i found the preface more interesting than the tome, myself.
mircea_popescu: not worried as much as you know, "they care about us" sorta delusion.
trinque: I don't know what they think this does.
trinque: raises anti-awareness I suppose
shinohai: Use our system, and leave the pesky key-handling to us!
phf: asciilifeform: have you seen all those "hardware sources of randomness" devices that's been surfacing recently?
phf: asciilifeform: obviously above links are purely boekware entomology
trinque: ben_vulpes: why would anyone read republican code when there are shithubs to pilfer and tape together
ben_vulpes: fella probably doesn't know the source is kicking around
trinque: no, read vpatches or gtfo.
phf: i think it's an elaborate spoof of mp/ascii dialogues
trinque has nfi which thing about kant
trinque: but on the subj, I didn't put together a bot and the wot mechanics to like, run in there and make my name!
trinque: it's plumbing work, and plumbing work we already lost once
trinque: this is one of the blessings of V.
trinque: if you *bother* to write something worth writing, you are free from that task thereafter
a111: Logged on 2016-08-23 18:49 mircea_popescu: pretty ridoinculous seeing how half the time i fuck girl with knees together.
Framedragger: the "but kant" homage to mp (maybe?) made me lol btw :D
trinque has no idea what separating history citing and history collecting buys
trinque: you do realize also that freenode might as well be owned by hitler
trinque: having the www separate, yes
Framedragger: not in terms of bigbro collection stuff, but in terms of making it more difficult to ddos
trinque: also know that one properly configured nginx should be able to handle massive amounts of traffic
trinque: it's text you're serving, not porn vids
trinque: Framedragger: freenode rate limits messages; how am I going to ddos a bot
Framedragger: of course of course; but as was stated multiple times, it's about making things more *difficult* / costly for adversaries. you can always slippery slope into "such powerful adversary with infinite motivation" and win the argument - and that's legit, sure
Framedragger: thru other services and just plain syn flood or w/e
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
trinque: Framedragger: hostmask hides IP if you want that, so get hostmask for your bot
Framedragger: it's not really reliable. but i may just be doing that slippery slope insane adversary thing myself here. :/
trinque: better to clearly define the work, then solve simply and move on.
trinque: you will not fix TCP/IP with teh botz
Framedragger: *sigh*. "that's boring". no, you're right, i agree.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: You have been dismissed
mircea_popescu: aha. except there's no "you've been inmissed". the way words work in actual languages is that you institute (say a rule) and you destitute (eg a functionary).
☟︎ mircea_popescu: meanwhile english is basically this language of some superficial twerps who noticed the effects (destitute, ie poor, right ? institute, ie, the building where they do them town things, right ?)
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: You have been fired
shinohai: Would be funny to translate that as "You will now be destitute"
mircea_popescu: shinohai lol. it's "you've been destituted" though. because you know, there's a functioning of past participle
mircea_popescu: and generally speaking grammatical categories are first and foremost categories OF MEANING
mircea_popescu: and then ends up predictably stupid in a certain way. /me thinks "environment" is not properly said to be a large factor - other than poor genetics of being sheepfuckers in the first place - in the apparition of SUTO.
mircea_popescu: it's not "the environment" vaguely like that. it is, first and foremost, the language.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure there is a cure. "oh foreign languages are hard." "well of fucking course they're are, you frittered away your 3-5yo interval of brain plasticity on learning adspeak."
mircea_popescu: then mp is all fucking annoyed, "wtf is with these idiots, they rip out some bit off culture, give it a name and strut around". doh. this is what the fucking language trains them to do in the first place.
mircea_popescu: "noun". what the everloving fuck "noun". you mean substantive ? "oh no mp, that's an adverb". "doubleplusmata."\
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, re the derp circus : as long as you publish on the internet, there's going to be some "businessman" trying to republish your content, and spam it around. none of this is particulary surprising or worth the mention or anything. not like original publication isn't firmly established. so let them beat up the wall until they've had enough or the bezzle runs out, whichever.
mircea_popescu: ironically, both eth and whatever-that-was got raped. i'm all ears, you picked like the worst examples conceivable.
mircea_popescu: ie, one stars in random-lj-x, other in random-lj-y ; one sits in cafes and wonders, other sits in cafes and wonders.
trinque: one just won the hitler lottery
a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 18:32 mircea_popescu: aha. except there's no "you've been inmissed". the way words work in actual languages is that you institute (say a rule) and you destitute (eg a functionary).
mircea_popescu: the only difference being that khaleed started life pretending to, and here i quote, "I am one of the agents sent by the high priest to bring as many of those who are interested in becoming a member of the Illuminati to the great Illuminati temple,am a traditional herbalist healer and no problem without a solution to me but I was ones like you I could not evening feed my family what kind of life was that to live I lived in po
mircea_popescu: verty until I saw an opportunity to be a member of the great Illuminati brotherhood and I took my chances and I have been a member for close to three years now and the higher you get the richer you become." whereas gavin started life pretending to be in charge of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: upon examination it came out that neither have any relation to the thing they were posturing in front of.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you may find power analysis a useful tool in this discussion. what exactly CAN any of these do ?
mircea_popescu: because powerless.1 === powerless.2 even from an orbit more interior than pluto's.
mircea_popescu: it barely holds together as a thing, and adversarially only.
mircea_popescu: "we control the vertical and the" "how come i can't have a fucking gallon of gas ?" "oh sorry about that... nothing we can do."
mircea_popescu: the folks "susceptible to sanity" are like the women "susceptible to porn queening". honey, if they were gonna they'd have been doing it already.
mircea_popescu: the pretense that they may start any minute now is broadly speaking that - a pretense. who knows, maybe you send the advance fee.
mircea_popescu: anyway. i don't buy into this "people good but evil govenrment corrupts". as near as i can see, "people suck and government does the best it can, as their product."
mircea_popescu: odds are that most of those "susceptible to sanity" are more or less caught in a prison of their own making, elliot style. would you blame isla vista for the guy's issues ?
mircea_popescu: or to quote voltaire, "i'm too old to make new friends."
mircea_popescu: same reason al schwartz doesn't make his way here ; and same exact reason i dunno, lew rockwell can't pass my idiot filter.
PeterL: Guy in prison uses a spoon to dig tunnel out, pops up in a playground, jumps up and down shouting "I'm free, I'm free." A little girl walks up to him and says "So what? I'm four!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude gtfo. "hitler maintains". tell you what, if i fill a room with depressive thirty-yo-crisis chicks it's gonna be that "the room" has "an atmosphere". then if i kick them out and in the same atmosphere introduce happy-go-lucky nineteen year olds, suddenly the same room "has an atmosphere" of juvenile enthusiasm.
mircea_popescu: wtf is this, "atmosphere". stop being an obnoxious bitch, that's the atmosphere.
mircea_popescu: drunks' choices are theirs to make, what am i, borderline ?
mircea_popescu: the emotional color of "atmosphere" is exactly of the same origin as the "feelings" furries perceive in animals' eyes : psychogenic.
mircea_popescu: idiots have no room in this world, which is why i hear their father got some real estate waiting for them somewhere else.
mircea_popescu: eh gtfo. when did "atmosphere" of "depressive" suddenly catch protons and become physical chlorine.
mircea_popescu: in retrospect i should prolly have said mole, but a well.
mircea_popescu: the principal symptom of major depressive disorder is the delusional notion on the part of the patient that his self-enacted emotional state has some sort of physical existence independent of himself.
mircea_popescu: dude... what scientific discipline isn't stillborn in the land of the suto ? seriously now.
mircea_popescu: back in like...2005 iirc ? 2008 maybe ? a guy used foia to get ALL the studies on antidepressant medicine. because you know, everyone had to file them with the fda.
mircea_popescu: guess what ? it turned out 30 years of research and a whole discipline was... stillborn.
trinque: what weapon fired in egypt?
trinque: or did the idiots simply outfuck
mircea_popescu: trinque he has this constructed thing whereby "x must exist and the thing that must exist we call x".
mircea_popescu: such alternative! i suppose next we call idiots something else also.
Framedragger: oh yeah. i'm there for the lulzy headlines. but you're right asciilifeform
shinohai: <asciilifeform> i cannot parse this document. it is output of a shannonizer. <<< kek
shinohai: I suppose ouput such as this is designed to get more $$$ in defense spending or somesuch
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [13:03:15] <mircea_popescu> as seen yesterday
mircea_popescu: Framedragger did i misread or did you say it's not doing this anymoar ?
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [17:40:27] <asciilifeform> 'Data coming from true random number generators is never 100% random. I am aware of no exceptions. Whitening is required in all cases before the data is suitable for use in cryptography.' << from first link
mircea_popescu: "here's how we're being respectful to one another, because god forbid if someone should speak plainly we might hear about all those classes we skipped in college."
mircea_popescu: gotta whiten, it's the cryptographical priviledge check.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-05 21:01 asciilifeform: trinque: who cribs, has not ~understood~.
mircea_popescu: the indians didn't stand a chance. if you think vaccination works in aboriginal population you're a very special sort of lovely.
mircea_popescu: vaccination works, in yurpeans first and foremost, because we're whores. and always have been.
mircea_popescu: (to explain the science involved : immunity works as a multi layered interplay of numerous proteins. some recognize specific bits of cells - hopefully, pathogens only, or else autoimmune response - some mark these recognitions, some others further mark, it's a whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: all these proteins are created, mostly in the liver, on the basis of blueprints, which are encoded genetically. which means that if your father didn't have anywhere a marker for smallpox, and he had you with a woman who also, you are immune to vaccination : it won't express anything.
mircea_popescu: vacciness work through stimulating the expression of pre existing genes/proteins/complexes, not by creating a magical forcefield around your dick.)
mircea_popescu: but more's the pojnt : even in very genetically diverse populations (such as yurpeans, because colonialism! such as not redskins, because stoneage losers), a good portion of the population has poor vaccine response.
mircea_popescu: they are protected however still, because "herd immunity", which is to say OTHER people not gettng it artificially reduces the "population density" from the pov of that pathogen.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not prepared to go into microbiological details of smallpox. but even admitting vaccine saved 10, heck, 20% of the population. then what ?
mircea_popescu: if the us lost 400mn heads tomorrow it wouldn't stand.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [13:03:15] <mircea_popescu> as seen yesterday
Framedragger: but it appears the whole range thing fucks things up too much to be useful
a111: Logged on 2014-03-05 02:44 mircea_popescu: bad wolf busts into snow white's cavern, offers her a simple deal :
mircea_popescu: Framedragger meanwhile i figured out that if im careful to never use it, it won'\t mostly pop in again
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly what happened with indians, too. mn randos were sucked into indian lands / indian women / etc.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger what's your notion of a difference between a public and secret bot ?
mircea_popescu: wasn't this ancient us army crap from like the 1950s ?
mircea_popescu: so fucking stupid. soviet workers shoveled dirt in the very core of the blasted ukrainian plant.
mircea_popescu: wtf, they're going to carry a plant by the backpack so the enemy has to take 10 minute breaks after every two minutes of shooting ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck thinks this works. seriously now. trying to shoot the idiot is hard enough, but to disable enemy combatants by spraying "uranium" on them...
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables.
mircea_popescu: ^ actual spoonfull of straight cesium, complete with chereknov blue glow, handled. by hand.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: secret bot is an irc user in a channel which no-one knows to be a bot (or a bot of particular use). scriba also has that kind of hostmask (unaffiliated/framedragger/bot/scriba) but everyone knows what scriba is for.
Framedragger: but i have to stop presenting ideas i do not really believe in myself. i guess i thought it may garner some useful feedback tho.
Framedragger: it did, it did! but i feel i may be wasting people's time by asking to look into half-baked ideas
trinque: feel free to review some of my half-bakery from old logs.
scriba: Logged on 2016-09-08: [18:26:30] <Framedragger> thru other services and just plain syn flood or w/e
Framedragger: like, there's a line between stimulating the forum and trolling that should not be breached
PeterL: one man's (alf's) half-baked idea is better than another's work of art
jhvh1: Last 1 lines bashed and pending publication
trinque: provoke him bad enough and he might even teach you something.
mircea_popescu: by the time ice age 24 is available "only in select theatres" because nobody can be arsed to torrent it they'll be ready with iphone 17 ?
a111: Logged on 2016-09-07 19:27 asciilifeform: 'AirPods will use Infrared sensors to detect when they’re in your ears, playing only when they’re in your ears. The setup process is super easy — connect the AirPods once to your iPhone, and the AirPods instantly sync over iCloud to your other devices. From there, you never worry about them again.' >> oblig. >>
http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752 shinohai: only uses crapple-flavoured e-liquid ?
jhvh1: You are very welcome Daddy
a111: Logged on 2015-07-30 19:42 ascii_field: trinque: virtually everything printed in english re: north kr is a bold-faced lie out of the mouth of south kr
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe, but from the lie flow many truths!
BingoBoingo: Well, read past the headline for the other Kim Jung Uns
a111: Logged on 2015-02-20 00:46 asciilifeform: if it takes a batshit king and world's thickest minefield to keep out 'mcdonalds', it might yet turn out to be worth it.
deedbot: gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: One can also buy "power bars" in bulk and not regret their life choices as they eat mostly read food with the occasional "power bar"
trinque: gabriel_laddel: what's new in the mclim-mines
a111: Logged on 2016-09-06 23:27 trinque: all roads lead to make 50 billion dollars, then cry as alf says it's not enough
trinque: not enough "read 6mos of logs" beatings.
trinque: ah not in that case though. mod6 has perfectly legitimate interest there, and so do I.
trinque: thought it was another recent thread.
gabriel_laddel: iirc it was pretty clear that mod6 needs to read loper-os, but what do I know.
trinque: heh! I'd be careful with that, masamune-san!
mircea_popescu: oh that was the other thing! "soylent". ran by some douchy dood with all sorts of "gonzo" marketing ideas, vaguely reminescent of the airbnb clowns.
mircea_popescu: anyway, eating trail mix for survival, in town. what's wrong with you know, cuisine.
gabriel_laddel: Fucking Yegge and everyone else who was involved with CL, even tangentially did a huge disservice to the language. He (and rich hicky) complains and complains about issues that can be solved with a few macros.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 623.88, vol: 4131.39162265 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 622.01, vol: 6582.60806 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 628.47, vol: 8206.62208263 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 622.275, vol: 220339.85000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 626.63, vol: 1012.33540838 | Volume-weighted last average: 622.525278996
gabriel_laddel: Does anyone know of / has created a database of hardware offerings from various vendors?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: What kind of hardware are you looking for?
trinque: lol check it out, black superior seed fanfic
mod6: We are pretty much at the point of starting V-ify these makefiles.
mod6: And in doing so, it kinda brings us back to a previous discussion.
shinohai takes down the samovar to make tea for this discussion.
mod6: It was my first hunch, during a pre-emptive go around with this to not place the makefiles in with current source base -- as pressed out via V.
☟︎ mod6: We discussed this, it was Mr. P.'s hunch that these should belong together (I hope I'm remembering this correctly), and I saw the wisdom in that.
mod6: And we haven't discussed it since.
mod6: The problem is here, that when you run `make`, it'll build everthing under: build/rotor/TEST2/bitcoin/src despite the fact that the source is really under src/
mod6: this is because the makefile process does it's own V press.
mod6: Anyway, I bring this up because if we're determined to stick with this plan; the Makefiles included with the bitcoin source, then there is another ball of wax that needs to be discussed.
mod6: I think that keeping the Makefiles as a separate V tree would keep things a lot more clean.
mod6: Altogether, since we have V, I like the idea of keeping things like makefiles and buildscripts out of the main source tree. One can get V, press the makefile project. Run a `make`, which will in-turn, press everything via V and then build with buildroot.