phf: i'm not sure i get it. perhaps the idea is that the plot is constructed from conclusions backwards, rather than as a chain of causes and effects resulting in an outcome, then conclusion. so the setup is restricted by what actions hero must perform or what other kind of allegory
mircea_popescu: no. you can't fly by your breaches, can you ? nor can you "make yourself" a boyar. nor can koschei DO things.
mircea_popescu: in the world in which he lives, you ARE things ; you don't DO things.
mircea_popescu: which is why eg. the notion of "consent" is entirely baffling. what do you mean, ivan should ask natasha. ask her WHAT THE FUCK ?!?! whether she IS a woman ? he can damn well see that ?
mircea_popescu: the whole story is decided at the onset - ARE you hero mc heroson ? yes ? then you go kill koschei. no ? then you don't. what do you mean "do what he did" ffs.
mircea_popescu: kinda what "traditional society" actually means, if the term is used properly. and why derpage eg in the us re "traditional marriage" is so hysterical. really, TRADITIONAL ? mmmkay.
mircea_popescu: just because it's your daddy's modern dun make it traditional.
phf: "this is how things are around here parts", except nobody ever said that except in movies or when things are no longer are
mircea_popescu: it's ever only used as a cheap mocking post, see. gotta frame the modern story in some sort of context,
mircea_popescu: but it's never more than context ; not in modern stories at any rate.
mircea_popescu: it is however hermeneutics 101, the pons asinorum of the scholarly disciplines.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman for some reason it decided i'm anonymous lol.
phf: huh, it's unknowable, so either presented as a joke, or as complete hostile aliennes. sort of texas chainsaw massacre kind of stuff. russian equivalent would be narratives about "деревня"
phf: forest used to be where the ancestors came from and that where demons and ghouls are. now ancestors come from tradition and that's where wilderness is
mircea_popescu: it's also the deep reason why reversion to feudalism / end of modernism is entirely unavoidable. the deep reason "dark ages" guys did what they did isn't them being "stupid", it's the absence of the modernist interface. when the world of possibilities is endless and the only possible trail is offered by strong identity, be it of the chivalric or v/wot type, society works a certain way.
mircea_popescu: in order for the modernist delusion to work, some equivalence clases are prerequsite, which is why all modern states are socialisms. if differences matter, "modern democracy" is impossible.
mircea_popescu: and which is why traditionalist societies guilty pleasure is genealogy, as in heraldics or vtronics ; whereas modernist societies guilty pleasure is "self improvement" as in miracle diets and college degrees. (no, the two aren't different, the notion that you will BECOME at the college is entirely like the notion that you'll go to heaven through not cursing.)
ben_vulpes: wasn't there a qntra on this, asciilifeform ?
ben_vulpes: dear old kakobrekla will never admit to cribbing from qntra
shinohai: These exchanges are like the hydra, 2 more will pop up in its wake.
phf: not sure how reversion follows though. it's easy to run away into the forest, because it's completely meaningless. but running away into tradition is equivalent to death (per older thread). "destruction of known universe"
☟︎ phf: oh unless you mean it in a sense that it's inevitable with you or without you
BingoBoingo: In other google suck: If you try searching for 2" drive sockets and breaker bars it returns ocean of wimpy 1/2" drive
jhvh1: thestringpuller: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 00:33 ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: you and a few others :P
danielpbarron: oh, re: wotpaste and lynx? yeah i recently discovered that most non-tmsr sites won't even load on a "sane" computer (for example a gentoo with asciilifeform's crib sheet applied)
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i eventually gave up on making the mimisbrunnr block renditions look acceptable in lynx
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 02:08 danielpbarron: oh, re: wotpaste and lynx? yeah i recently discovered that most non-tmsr sites won't even load on a "sane" computer (for example a gentoo with asciilifeform's crib sheet applied)
shinohai: I use wotpaste w/out browser, thanks to ben_vulpes help a few weeks back
danielpbarron: i don't even care what it looks like, at least it got served. these other sites give an error in lieu of the requested page, something about unsupported browser
danielpbarron: come to think of it, that probablem happened with openbsd on a powerpc using firefox
☟︎ danielpbarron: i don't think i even have a browser on this gentoo one, besides lynx
danielpbarron: can't emerge chromium because of the masked packages
danielpbarron: doubtful. I wouldn't know where to start, nor do i care to have one. whatever is worth reading should work in lynx, and the rest works on my phone
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: certainly ain't her brudder
mircea_popescu: phf there's a who and a what. traditional societies put the what in an equivalency ring and discern the who ; modernist societies put the who in an equivalency ring and discern the what.
mircea_popescu: let's look at it through the example of the married woman.
mircea_popescu: married woman in belgium, a modernist society, expects to fuck her husband, or another man (ie, the who is indifferent) PROVIDED they woo her properly. the what is discerning, and "i fucked him because he bought me roses just like you did 20 years ago you pig" is perfectly "rational".
mircea_popescu: married woman in brunei, a traditionalist society, expects to be fucked, in the way which fucking goes (ie, indifferent), by her husband but not by another man. and if her husband fucks with a stick, or with electrified vaginal pears, it's none of her business ; much like the belgian woman might fuck another woman, or a cat or a bit of plastic, just as long as it DOES the right thing - the brunei woman will fuck in whichever
mircea_popescu: excess is actually repressed : for instance the husband that fails to what correctly in belgium goes to jail ; much like the lover that fails to who correctly in brunei.
mircea_popescu: in belgium "but i am her husband" is no defense, but on the contrary, scandalous ; and in brunei "but i fucked her right" is no defense, but on the contrary, scandalous.
mircea_popescu: the major problem of contemporaneous, post-modern, post-structuralist whatever world is that the practical equivalency class is the what, not the who. such as for instance : as long as the product is a web app, you know what shit it will be and all you care about is WHO. which is why we have the entire who structure of code inheritance, much to the chagrin of the "oh noes, wasn't invented here syndrome" belated modernists.
mircea_popescu: anyone can make "a prediction" (what=equivalent) but it really matters WHO makes it, as per the pro idiotas article.
mircea_popescu: so it's not a matter of reversal. it's a matter that the practical structures of reality favour a certain equivalency class over the other.
BingoBoingo: Not sure what that was exactly. Kinda looks like "shopping center" being shopped as warehouse
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fwiw circle has been going out of business for 3 years now.
mircea_popescu: the airbnb scammers originally "promoted" it by plastering "handmade comics/ezine" on cheap whitelabel cereal boxes.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 14:17 mircea_popescu: anyway, the way "tech" works in the us aka sv is very simply : get the "hipster ass rorbros" on the wagon, then sell them out later for mass market.
mircea_popescu: these dudes tried to "leverage" whatever they could think of to "achieve network effects" and bla bla.
mircea_popescu: usually, it doesn't work. it is certainly a thinking man's coming of age, when he finally develops a skin : that keeps this sort of bacteria at bay, and that still allows copulation with the other humans.
mircea_popescu: old people are notoriously bad at this, go through the world a living zoological museum, collection of numerous fungi and no copulation.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 00:55 phf: not sure how reversion follows though. it's easy to run away into the forest, because it's completely meaningless. but running away into tradition is equivalent to death (per older thread). "destruction of known universe"
mircea_popescu: so in short, i don't even mean that it's inevitable with you or without you. it's inevitable with or without your mental constructs. the body will follow.
mircea_popescu: what, you think people fought in us civil war without their scruples ? the body went ; the scruples - nobody asked anything.
mircea_popescu: ~everyone involved in ww2 thought ww2 is a stupid idea, for that matter. all the better for them!
mircea_popescu: in short, your at ease notion of you and the actual perceptible, historical fact of you are very tenuously bridged, and that bridge is especially dependent on the "at ease" part.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform certainly. but the fact is that most ww2 combatants did not fight at home ; or in their neighbourhood ; or even city. except perhaps it could be argued for the fins.
mircea_popescu: this is not the matter. most girls understand, somewhere deep down, that if i come in and grab them by the hair and drag them to their cell they will at the very least love the child they conceive, and eventually learn to live the cell.
mircea_popescu: just, this knowledge of the cunt is amply repressed in most cases.
mircea_popescu: to some degree "society" needs them to for its definition of them to be fulfilled ; to a larger degree the currently fashionable notions of self require them to as well. but anyway - people will lvie everywhere, and historically have.
mircea_popescu: still, the effects are often funny - you can get most 15 yos to agree that they'll "never turn out like their mothers" or "die before they're old" or such manifestations of the subjective sentiment of bridging.
mircea_popescu: even non-idiots spend relatively little time figuring out "improductive" things of this sort.
mircea_popescu: and then end up surprised by the nobody could have predicted and write nobel-prize literature about it.
mircea_popescu: (no, it's not just hussein bahamas. the whole thing is predicated on suckage, exactly the same ~sort~ of suckage.)
a111: Logged on 2015-09-14 17:54 trinque: mosis.com was the one I found somebody talking about getting a run done for a few k
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Prolly a bitch to insure with the Giant concrete tanks being attractive nuissance and all. Also demo cost to other buyers would likely suck
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 02:13 danielpbarron: come to think of it, that probablem happened with openbsd on a powerpc using firefox
mircea_popescu: "What would Lucene at Google’s size look like? If we do a naive back of the envelope calculation on what it would take to index a significant fraction of the internet (often estimated to be 1 trillion (T) or 10T documents), we might expect a 1T document index to cost something like $10B1. That’s not a feasible startup, so let’s say that instead of trying to index 1T documents, we want to maintain an artisanal search ind
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ex of 1B documents. Then our cost comes down to $12M/yr." << this danluu piece is the most idiotic thing i read all day. what the fuck has "cloud" done to these people that they think a 1bn index cost A MILLION A MONTH holy shit.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: he also manages to argue both ends at the same time - we apparently both underestimate how many low hanging fruit there are AND at the same time just how high these low hanging fruit actually come. hurr.
mircea_popescu: and after all that engineering optimization companies care bla bla song and dance ? "So there are definitely more than ten million unique terms on the entire internet! In fact, there’s a website out there that has all primes under one trillion. I believe there are something like thirty-seven billion of those. If that website falls into one shard of our index, we’d expect to see more than thirty-seven billion terms in a si
mircea_popescu: ngle shard ; that’s more than most people guess we’ll see on the entire internet, and that’s just in one shard that happens to contain one somewhat pathological site."
mircea_popescu: really fucker, your engineers that pay for themselves by the score haven't figured out that YOU DO NOT INDEX TERMS LONGER THAN ABOUT A DOZEN CHARACTERS ?
mircea_popescu: holy shit, people can barely type out their name without reaching for a napkin to clear the drool, i'm going to index the 5 billionth prime number as such.
mircea_popescu: because i run a farm for idiot us-born capons in haskell on cloud and pay 12mn/year for a 1bn items index.
mircea_popescu: verbatim from article : "And others type in what they think of as normal queries for their day-to-day work even if they seem weird to you (e.g., a biologist might query for GTGACCTTGGGCAAGTTACTTAACCTCTCTGTGCCTCAGTTTCCTCATCTGTAAAATGGGGATAATA)." here's that search :
https://archive.is/oB6U3 mircea_popescu: apparently... a BIOLOGIST might NOT search for that ; an imbecile pretending to be a computer engineer however would.
mircea_popescu: this is an eminent case of "Yes, yes, I know how it's doublespoken - socialism is not about them making their own lives better. It's all about making "other people's lives" better. Because it's so selfless and "good" and - most importantly! - because it can't be measured. If they dedicated themselves to making their own lives better, there'd be a definitive authority to say when they failed. But if they instead pretend to be
mircea_popescu: all about making "other people's" lives better - well! Should anyone claim they failed they can just change the "other people", can't they! The socialist electorate, always and everywhere ein anderes. That enchanted, imaginary public which supports you (from a safe distance) in your quest as you destroy the little you actually have."
mircea_popescu: he's solved the problems other people might have, on the basis of what he imagines a biologist might do, which is so pointedly not what any biologist ever does you can scarcely begin to wonder what fucking highschool the author frequented, because his mental furniture seems to have diverged from the common trunk somewhere around the age of NEGATIVE THIRTEEN,
mircea_popescu: and all this at a cost to me of 12mn a year for NOT SOLVING THE PROBLEM.
mircea_popescu: !!rate dan luu -10 unrecoverable imbecile. this rating carries to first order descendants - if you're the offspring of dan luu please kill yourself.
mircea_popescu: so according to the dude over at nullspace.io, bing has "20% of market share" according to some apparently public available sources. let's add to that : out of the ~0.9 %~ of trilema traffic that came from a search engine so far this year, 127,291 came from google and 2,666 came from bing.
mircea_popescu: which leads us to a new heuristic : the closer the search engine mix on your site is to bing having 20%, the more drool your "userbase" contributes to their immediate environment on a daily basis.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> is magenta a large qty of price ? << It is a bright kinda fruity color of price
mircea_popescu: but it DOES turn out that the upper range of stack exchange hardware is ~50% more ram than phuctor. so... nyah.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 19:16 mircea_popescu: "mice were found in germany which is a country that once invaded the soviet union where lenin introduced electricity which goes through tubes in which tubes today in england most mices live." "OH NOW IT ALL FALLS INTO PLACE!!!"
mircea_popescu: i'd kinda like to see all these "engineers" (who, as per some random douche working for microsoft, can not be found because most "relevancy engineers" as if that's a thing already work at google) would run phuctor on.
mircea_popescu: they run in circles of their own design and then complain about the results. it's like a scene spitefully drawn by rochester.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "All servers are connected by 2 or more 10Gb network links in active/active LACP."
mircea_popescu: i mean the only thing this says is "we suck at system design"
mircea_popescu: yes, your front end should run whatever, 18 bn terragigs or anything you can find
mircea_popescu: but if your backend needs MULTIPLE 10g ports you're doing something wrong.
mircea_popescu: of course this leads them to buying no less than two cisco 5596UP. that's 25 grand.
mircea_popescu: mkay, so they use a dozen server and a coupla sql ; grossly misprovisioned networking infrastructure and whatevs. whole setup should be about 50k.
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deedbot: ser voiced for 30 minutes.
ser: i'm just a silent reader
ser: an architect. he is dying at the moment
ser: because of tobacco addiction
ser: i told him to quit dozens years ago
ser: especially such stupid one
BingoBoingo: It's easy to become powerless over nicotine, but very hard to see how it makes life unmanageable until the end.
ser: it's like taking a 140y mortgage :)
deedbot: ser voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Nah, for most people if you get a low interest rate 140 year mortgage is great. Very low payments.
ser: but grandchildren are not being asked if they like it, as they are usually unborn
BingoBoingo: Grandchildren get it even better because inflation. Movie tickets used to cost a nickle!
ser: swedish parliament recently limited mortgages to 105 years maximum only
BingoBoingo: That's only six years longer than "traditional" maximum lease!
ser: Royal Bank of Scotland did not pass "stress tests" whaterver it means
ser: what is your estimation - how much money is lacking?
ser: XX billions, XXX billions, XXXX billions?
ben_vulpes: there are only 21 million bitcoin, so if they're that short they may be in a bit of a tight spot
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> diana_coman for some reason it decided i'm anonymous lol. <- fixed; weird though, as I can't seem to be able to reproduce whatever the issue was
Framedragger: random question: have there been considerations for introducing financial instruments to eulora at some point, for trade etc? just curious
diana_coman: Framedragger, you are probably better off searching the logs of the eulora channel
diana_coman: I vaguely recall some discussion touching a bit on that
mircea_popescu: diana_coman issue might have been my accidentally leaving field empty.
mircea_popescu: ser> what is your estimation - how much money is lacking? << more than exists, basically.
mircea_popescu: ie, if the govt prints ten times what rbs has and gives it to them, it will improve nothing, just increase the "how much more they need" by a factor of tenish.
mircea_popescu has the pleasure to introduce EDLionX , who's chinese, lives in brunei and looks altogether like a great kid (though he isn't a kid!)
☟︎ diana_coman is waiting for BingoBoingo to ask "who's your daddy?"
mircea_popescu: not right now, but occasionally there's news items that get poorly translated to en by idiots
mircea_popescu: actually BingoBoingo what was that thing vaguely mentioned on qntra recently ?
mircea_popescu: i thought they gamified with the "loic" thing a decade ago
a111: Logged on 2016-11-29 16:50 asciilifeform: anyway, i have neither the time (presently grunting out a much-delayed and urgent item) nor inclination to do the entire backlog (what, 800 of these?! by now) by hand.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger he's an english/math teacher not a coder from what i gather.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: no coding really needed, mind you! at least not for this 'phase' of analysis. but ya sure
EDLionX: oh hey yeah Frame, no offense, but you just completely assblasted me
Framedragger: hmm, a rather visual answer, fair nuff :p well, glory awaits someone!
mircea_popescu: Framedragger really, shouldn't just run the scan on port 80 ?
Framedragger: the particular scanner used for extracting pubkeys is not meant for that kind of stuff, but.. the first phase thing ("check who's alive") can grab banners, yeah.. would require fiddling (connections would become stateful, right now first phase uses 'SYN cookies') but ya sure possible
Framedragger: i guess i should rerun the scanner at some point at any rate
mircea_popescu: i suppose even something as simple as curl $item would work really huh.
Framedragger: for some initial additional data, i think so yeah..
Framedragger: (ah. suresure. well if one plans to do that on millions of machines or more, better to use simple tcp sockets hm. say that masscan for 1st phase uses its own tcp stack to not exhaust kernel handles accidentally, etc...)
mircea_popescu: afaik the phuctor list is like 1k or so ips by now no ?
Framedragger just made a shitty .ru joke and is very proud of it
diana_coman: bwahahhaa; when we were made pioneers we had this picture by the flag thing
diana_coman: clearly, yes; tbh I had this uneasy feeling of totally back to the 80's when I went to Belarus some ...hm, 7 years ago already
diana_coman: but I don't expect it really changed all that much either
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> actually BingoBoingo what was that thing vaguely mentioned on qntra recently ? << You'd have to be a bit more specific
mircea_popescu: there was some badly translated "proceeds of miner conference" sometime earlier this year
a111: Logged on 2015-03-03 01:48 BingoBoingo: So... Anyone here know chinese? Good enought to translate a Hand complete police report?
mircea_popescu: it seems credible to me qualitatively ; quantitatively i have nfi.
mircea_popescu: because the emperor is ; in traditionalist societies existence is predicated on existence.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would cunt lubricate to ease penile intromission ?
mircea_popescu: fuck i love this article. "Deci, ce probleme rezolva ecologia ? Niciunele. Ecologia se bucura insa de sprijinul institutional al statului ca justificare persuasiva si credibila a nevoii de-a reechilibra administrativ dezechilibre economice induse administrativ. Tot aceleasi probleme pe care le rezolva si psihologia," -> "So, what problems does ecology resolve ? No problems. Ecology simply enjoys institutional support of the [
mircea_popescu: socialist] state as a persuasive and credible justification for the need to rebalance administratively imbalances induced administratively. same exact problems psychology resolves."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really. ru peasant aslo thought emperor is good ; and right here.
mircea_popescu: this "what care i" is very much a proposal to modulate behaviour ; whereas this active diatesis is not there contemplated.
phf: not quite true, you had лжецаревич uprisings
phf: also kind of tru re famine, but typically boyars were blamed rather then tzar or barin
phf: since both were beyond reprise
mircea_popescu: phf you did ; nevertheless - in the case of those runaways who were discovered in the 60s after however many centuries of absence, what figured greatly was that a) the tsar is good and b) that woe on random anon merchant for refusing to donate a quarter ton of potatoes to the cause.
phf: no, no, i'm saying the opposite. ~barin~ in this case is the dude who worked you to the bone
mircea_popescu: and the fake ivans etc are not exactly attacks on the tsar ; they're just a discussion of identity , not actually a modernisation proposal.
mircea_popescu: similar to the whole "mandate ofheaven" chinese thing - IS he or ISN'T he the "one true emperor" ; whether his being anything in particular matters with regards to "his job" ie, what he has to do is not discussed. even the notion that emperorhood is a job is nonsensical in context.
phf: i think i'm being misunderstood. i'm saying that fake-tzars were cases of "emperor asking of you", because both tzar and barin (i.e. immediate supervisor) were seen as fundamental good. peasants consistently and historically allocated blame on various random hangerons. boyars, traders, foreigners, etc. in fact in fake-tzar cases the narrative was consistent "evil boyars have deposed our tzar-father and we won't stand for it"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're only semantic games to you ; for they to be games they need the optionality.
mircea_popescu: hence the "useful evil minister" strategy deployed in england and france as well as everywhere else - get the guy to do things then behead him.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so if i give you a lined mat and a pile of all black tiles you thereby "still have a game of go" ?
mircea_popescu frequently requires better go players to play very fast and train for it in advance.
mircea_popescu: just because i can't keep up with the horse doesn't mean it won't get its exercise. we have mechanics!
mircea_popescu: no, my idea simply was "explore all the trees for my convenience".
mircea_popescu: getting back to the modern/traditional thing : there's a very visible and practically relevant distinction in trade. when i hire a modernist, i hire him to do a job, and i expect him to do a job. but when i hire a traditionalist, i am essentially assigning office. and as it is LOGICAL in that context, he may agree to any "job" specification ie burdens on the title before he gets it, while all he IS is humble applicant ; but o
mircea_popescu: nce he gets it, once he IS the job title, then of course he finds himself in a more elevated position, which should mean by his logic that he gets to renegotiate and eliminate some of the burdens.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly why simple minded folks in third countries such as argentina etc display the strange behaviour where they don't wish to actually work, first discussed in the article about whores
mircea_popescu: aha. HOWEVER - which is why i bring all this up - the reversal is fucking evident here too.
mircea_popescu: see, when I hire diana_coman to do dev work for eulora, OF FUCKING COURSE she gets to redefine the job on the basis of the title. because before she got it she hadn't seen the code, and after she had, for instance. or for any other reason.
mircea_popescu: in short, in the entirety of the observable universe, we are reverting to traditionalist systems, approaches and altogether a reality.
mircea_popescu: most computing jobs are unspecifiable in the terms most industrial jobs of the brief modernist interlude were specifiable.
mircea_popescu: whereas most computing jobs require identity in terms entirely impossible in the brief modernist interlude. what cares the cotton ginny whether you are white or black skinned ?
mircea_popescu: and this is what all the unicode wastage is : they, the lost souls of a dead world, are trying to make computers more like cotton ginnies. more inclusive, more capable to work with a modernist perspective, where who dun matter and what is considered.
mircea_popescu: fundamental myth of english feudalism is a sword that cared.
mircea_popescu: fundamental myth of english modernism is "blind love", which, if you'll notice, is at the time of its introduction a very cheap trick very much in the manner of protestantism ; and also a mythical beast :
mircea_popescu: the belgian woman from before. "blind" as in, no who just what. a modernist unicorn.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pygmystan is not actually a culture ; stone age tribes don't get names.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iron age is ~norman conquest. industrial age is a different thing.
mircea_popescu: except there is no "work" in the abstract, as a byproduct of anti-idlehandsaredevilswork. not anymore.
mircea_popescu: back in 1616 there was a "do something - anything". today that results in github.
mircea_popescu: and not just in github, it results in 5bn for BART's 16 track miles and in 12mn/year for 1bn database for microsoft.
mircea_popescu: the Floating Littoral Embarassment is very much the symbolic product of "technology by modernist means in postmodernist times"
mircea_popescu: there are a number of reasons for this. 1. robots eat electricity ; humans eat a sort of oil derivate ; see
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-05#1577962 ; 2. robots are an industrial product, this costs ~nothing while "well brainwashed humans" are the equivalent of a "well behaved wife". tell you what, here's a half billion girlies in your "civilised world", you have a week to find a wife. let me know what you spent.
☝︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: i suspect i might've talked to more industrial robots folks than you have over our respective careers, but be that as it may, the trend is towards not away job destruction.
mircea_popescu: the welfarization creates nothing. it is the maggot on the corpse of postmodern industry.
mircea_popescu: (kinda yet another angle of why the great again is so lulzy - what, economic trends will reverse by election ?)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no ; because modernism hadn't ended yet. but the chick herself - if she weren't twerking she'd be on reddit . there is literally NOTHING for her to do.
mircea_popescu: with the exception of tmsr, there is NO PLACE in this world which sticks to the modern tradition of, "random bozo walks in, is given a job"
mircea_popescu: this is how eg construction yards used to work, for milennia. not anymore, for decades now.
mircea_popescu: amusingly - i used to call plumbers in places where plumbing had been laid by hand. but in places where plumbing laid by robot - no need so far.
mircea_popescu: dat old ecosystem drives itself by supporting its niches and denying competing niches thing.
mircea_popescu: you are aware "car fixing" ie, "that is my idea of heaven - a bucket o' grease and a cracked cylinder" now consists of sticking probes in dataports ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, plumbing mostly comes as part of the prefab components of construction nowadays. is not separate thing.
mircea_popescu: "robots" does not strictly mean r2d2. entirely automated process chain is also a robot in this sense, even if perhaps a meta-robot for they preoccupied with the physicality of things.
mircea_popescu: ie - the visually driven notion of "robot" as "anthropomorphised tuna can" is not particularly useful in a discussion of economics and robots.
mircea_popescu: heh. laugh all you want, and take refuge in 1970s artworks if you will - but the fact remains that if you buy planks you buy planks but if you buy ikea you buy robotized planks.
mircea_popescu: it's what it is, out of the final table in the latter case about 2/3 is robot work.
mircea_popescu: yes, there isn't a beep-boop thing going around your livingroom. but it might as well be - the warehouse is entirely robotized ; the production line mostly ; etcetera. even driving is going away.
mircea_popescu: do you know how many longshoremen work for amazon ? o wait ... the name is entirely antiquated.
mircea_popescu: sure, but tell you what : the headaches of managing herd would be a lot closer in your mind had you i dunno, been a mcdonalds manager in your late teens.
mircea_popescu: there's no economic future for the average human, quite literally.
mircea_popescu: for as long as we still feel like entertaining ourselves by providing them with food and board, the derpage will last. and they'll "put women back into history at the call of bbc wikipedia.
mircea_popescu: once that becomes old, they'll become dead, in a very starved and cold sense of the term.
mircea_popescu: anyway - the original point was how the environment changed, and modernism is strictly no longer possible because exogenous reasons, not opened to consensusing electoralizing etc.
mircea_popescu: the WHO is the major consideration ; the what is relatively equivalent.
mircea_popescu: which reduces to and is in fact equivalent with the "no economic future for average human" above, and with the "there's nothing one can do on the simple basis of being one" even further above.
mircea_popescu: (o look! the separation of the fat from the water in the sense of leaving the who-equivalent modernists behind in the gutter is actually quite the viscerally ferocious thing!)
mircea_popescu: nobody is going to forbid modernism. they who wish to feel equal will have a place where this is how things works.
mircea_popescu: (arguably this is also in the past - not like i'm actually forbidding redditards to reddit, even as i am squeezing the cream from the thing)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-08 14:44 mircea_popescu has the pleasure to introduce EDLionX , who's chinese, lives in brunei and looks altogether like a great kid (though he isn't a kid!)
mircea_popescu: eulora, with its steep learning curve and well engineered intake manifolds is actually a muchly improved bitcoin from THIS perspective.
mircea_popescu: still, the question was "how who" not "how non-who". that your milk contains fat and water is not a valid objection to "how do you get fat from the cow ?" "you milk it"
mircea_popescu: and i am entirely unconvinced by this "good at x" bs. nobody's "good at x". the "good at x" is nonsense of the ilk and period of "blind love", to try and help the wedge of who-equivalency into the trunk of reality.
mircea_popescu: either your brain works or doesn't. if it does, you can use it for all brain things, much like either your cunt works or doesn't, and if it does it does for all dicks.
mircea_popescu: there's no "good at math" anymore than there is "white dicks cunt"
mircea_popescu: i also didn't see meat airplane borne out of the soviet maternity circuit. this proves something ?
trinque: and that a brain works does not mean that the requisite information for a particular has yet been jammed in.
mircea_popescu: "this cpu could do anything" "i don't see your sql server doing any dos emulation work" "nigga... wut ?!"
mircea_popescu: laugh, but they very pointedly picked former approach.
mircea_popescu: there was entirely no "picking" in romania, the romania that produced the first full 10 olympic gymnasts. hundreds of thousands of kids ran into thousands of pe teachers who very pointedly "body works to it - now make it work to jump!"
mircea_popescu: the "nfl picks" usian system seemed very alien, and quite frankly wasteful, to the general mind. "americans will never amount to anything in sports" therefore.
mircea_popescu: of course, this was in a time of general conscription and so forth. obviously things have changed - it is easier after all.
mircea_popescu: and no, i have no argument - it is EASIER to think of yourself as "i am good at x" raqther than "brain works or doesn't work."
mircea_popescu: now THAT easy-seeking habituation is what the hot irons are used for.
mircea_popescu: i personally prefer the "here's the book pile, go read whatever ; do something"
mircea_popescu: if you feel like anything good ; and if you feel like nothing in particular reddit's that way.
mircea_popescu: but by all means, if you, trinque or anyone else feels like running su airpilot style court, your right and priviledge. i'm sure it'll work just fine.
mircea_popescu: it's not like preference's forbidden or anything. i'm sure i'd be great at fucking dudes, too, i never fucked any nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: the point is, that "i would suck at fucking dudes" is a very poor excuse and entirely rotten pillar of identity.
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine that whoever wanted to get in couldn't at least try.
mircea_popescu: what exactly is the cost of failure ? is it some sort of "oh, i can't go talk to the girl in the bar" sort of crazy ?
mircea_popescu: why would there be a THE HOUSE ? i don't subscribne to "let's all go to the same shitty island and make a georepublic" ima have a the house ?
mircea_popescu: so she burns down some apartment. the firepeople will put it out, the insurance people will pay for it and i guess the police people will take her to the doctorpeople or w/e.
mircea_popescu: or if they don't because society broke down, i guess my guardpeople shoot her and throw the body to the dogs. either way.
mircea_popescu: as in, picked off the streets because anybody can anything and selected for certain attributes.
mircea_popescu: what, i'ma only hire x school graduates like obama ? wtf am i , stupid.
mircea_popescu: how would i elaborate, you'e the one who's stumped. you elaborate.
mircea_popescu: they usually don't walk the streets, being selected for a sort of pretentious lazyness, but anyway.
mircea_popescu has walked out of numerous meetings etc, often offended, but never participated into SUCH INSANITY wtf.
mircea_popescu: dude i have nfi. because they're used to hiring camwhores ?
mircea_popescu: yes but i guess they can't be arsed to deal with stuck in traffic peon / having to physically go to the peon pen etc
mircea_popescu: i guess the dude was just "getting his identity confirmed" or w/e KYC stuff.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, my selection-for-obedience process doesn't also select for comatose mental state simultaneously.
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trinque charitably assumes it was a chick blowing kisses at the Republic
trinque: As Iraqi forces advanced toward the al-Salam hospital in Mosul earlier this week, encountering only light resistance from Islamic State fighters, commanders decided to seize the facility instead of sweeping the neighborhoods along the road leading to it.
phf: "The company will mold you to their exacting specifications to do whatever form of service they require. You will happily comply, in this as in all things. For example, if your company needs a Java-speaking systems engineer and you have a degree in Art History, this is not a problem because you can be fixed."
phf: "Sure it might take ten years and only work on a quarter of the new hires but that’s why we employ you for 45 years and hire a hundred at once!"
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