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mod6: heheh
mircea_popescu: CompanionCube mp-wp for instance.
mircea_popescu: "How do I use SSL encryption properly?" "SSL (resp. TLS, as SSL v2/v3 is already broken but name SSL is commonly used for TLS protocol) implementation or protocol itself isn't affected"
mircea_popescu: i lulzed. really ? how about DO NOT USE "SSL".
ben_vulpes: b-but mircea_popescu how is one supposed to authenticate to a database server over the webternet?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes who exactly is this guy anyway ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes any other way.
ben_vulpes: who, CompanionCube ?
mircea_popescu: yes.
ben_vulpes: new blood
asciilifeform: iirc a lurker/reader. was also the d00d who wrote to asciilifeform re the bolix genera thing.
mircea_popescu: that doesn;t tell me anything. do you personalyl know him ?
asciilifeform: i certainly do not.
ben_vulpes: nope not i
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so far doing the whole "hey guise i can google plox like me" schtick which is getting on my nerves.
ben_vulpes: Framedragger also guilty of this in spades
asciilifeform: well the original tip from him was re an item that was not indexed by any (afaik) searcher.
asciilifeform: but i know 0 else about CompanionCube . or the other one, whose name escapes me
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes at least re him i have some idea
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform doppler?
asciilifeform: aha!
CompanionCube is hapy to leave if you want
mircea_popescu: yes, please do.
CompanionCube: Very well. Be seeing you if and when you succeed at your goals.
mircea_popescu: dork. he's found who to escalate with.
asciilifeform: was there more to this exchange than visible here ?
mircea_popescu: nope.
asciilifeform: where escalated ?
mircea_popescu: where it blew up in his face, yes ?
asciilifeform: ( tangentially -- i have nfi, to this day, why 'hi, i'm a lurker' needs to sit logged in. can read logs ! )
mircea_popescu: i have nfi when "i can't commit to existing" became socially acceptable. we used to laugh at the drones who couldn't commit to mariage 30 years ago, then i fell asleep in front of the silver screen post blowjob and i wake up... suddenly it's everywhere.
mircea_popescu: "who are you ?" "sorry i can't say because really i want to be a dragon and you'll laugh."
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's the safe and easy space in between "i am a gentoo nerd and have an irc bouncer" and "i am willing to undertake gpg key mgmt as the basis of identity"
mircea_popescu: who knew the difficulty there isn't technical.
mircea_popescu: like lyf!
ben_vulpes: doesn't strike me as a "needs" thing. will be a "can" thing for as long as mircea_popescu refrains from turning the lights on and setting +i or whichever arcane fleanode flag
mircea_popescu: wait, what ?
ben_vulpes: for as long as randos can join #trilema and lurk they will do so instead of reading the logs
mircea_popescu: ah, so let them, what.
ben_vulpes: who knows if they even read their bouncer's scrollback instead of cycling through fifteen channels marking them as read in some inane, personal score-keeping game
mircea_popescu: afaik this is common. here's where mp shares a little personal tidbit :
mircea_popescu: the slavegirls are rarely solo when we meet. generally they're in a committed relationship / engaged / whatever. about half the time the beta in question is the "graduate student" type who compulsively answers questions on quora etc.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu described this, in the 'golden helicopter' thread
mircea_popescu: ah i did ? ok then. /me passes by reference.
ben_vulpes: may i have a concrete pointer s'il vous plait?
ben_vulpes: exceptionally short thread omg
mircea_popescu: lol which
ben_vulpes: "golden helicopter"
mircea_popescu: well i mean how long's it gonna be.
mircea_popescu: what's missing to your taste ben_vulpes ?
mircea_popescu: all i'm sayin' is that as batshing insane as it may sound on the face, i have personal experience with the ample supply of "cycling through fifteen channels marking them as read in some inane, personal score-keeping game".
ben_vulpes: more on the "compulsively answers questions on quora"
mircea_popescu: "i did 9k wikipedia spelling corrections this year" "you mean the year gaping as a hole in your employment history ?" "oh, that's not important. progress! revolution! everything is connected! ubi!"
mircea_popescu: or ufi or what's it called.
ben_vulpes: "universal fuckwit income"
mircea_popescu: !~google "the promise, eagerly offered, the hope, eagerly swallowed"
mircea_popescu: or vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: ie http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-93.0-93.266
ben_vulpes: i watched some related lols play out with 'poly' friends this year. $girl couldn't bring herself to break it off with her wikipedia editor, $guy didn't offer the platform to which to jump or demand the jump, tension built and $girl doubled down on the socialistoid anxiety production machines to everyone's dismay
mircea_popescu: i believe it.
mircea_popescu: in fact i expect it's the principal engine powering the sjtarded jeneration.
mircea_popescu: (romanian pun, trading on the difference between jenant ie pathetic and generation ie whatever)
phf: i've met him on another irc channel where he was equally non-contributing to an overall low snr. i was curious if he will maybe step up here, but nope doing exactly the same thing. the whole thing is reminiscent of the catv, a channel full of companioncubes
asciilifeform: how does '9k wikipedia spelling corrections' appeal, is what i wonder. why not also walk around picking up rubbish from side of the road.
asciilifeform: moar useful.
mircea_popescu: well maybe the experience of gazing upon the stony face of his father that he never had will promote some personal growth.
mircea_popescu: either that or masturbatory fantasies of an "improved trilema" with "moar freedom" of the "our democracy" type.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they do
mircea_popescu: !~google "let's do it romania"
mircea_popescu: is jv broken or what
ben_vulpes: i biked by a gaggle of old women doing precisely this a few weeks ago
ben_vulpes: hey who wants to tell me that biking fucked my back up
doppler: I wonder how many wikipedia editors are elderly women
mircea_popescu: i expect about half are white, unsexed, males in their 30s +- 8 years.
doppler: that sounds about right
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes go swimming moar bike less. and if you do bike, do 15% inclines rather than long bs.
ben_vulpes: hm swimming
ben_vulpes: well there's a whole world of coordination i've never really explored
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what they do for healthcare where you live, but swimming is the thing for bad backs like fucking is the thing for pimples.
ben_vulpes: we don't have healthcare
ben_vulpes: we have health insurance
mircea_popescu: ah ok then
asciilifeform: 'colt45 health-and-life insurance co.'
ben_vulpes: you pay a shitload of money and then try to never make a claim
ben_vulpes: make friends with girls in nursing school is probably the only mitigating strat
mircea_popescu: motherfucker
mircea_popescu: this is the third fucking flask i buy, set some alcohol in, and it rots.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is so hard about making a surgical steel flask rather than obscure zamaks
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rust?!
mircea_popescu: not even, just oxidation.
asciilifeform: aint no such thing as 'just oxidation'
mircea_popescu: i suppose the rotguts they drink don't suffer or something
asciilifeform: what colour is it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform white
mircea_popescu: i expect tin oxide.
asciilifeform: i was about to say
asciilifeform: Fe dun turn white.
mircea_popescu: sure tastes like it.
asciilifeform: ugh
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's somewhat sad how the mainstreamization of "polyamorous" became "i'm too worthless to demand the girl and will use being too poor as an excuse to notice how stupid i am".
mircea_popescu: for the record, bums with no income and college degrees living in squalor aren't "participating in a polyamorous lifestyle".
mircea_popescu: and in "markov chains today", https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1859970.0;all
mircea_popescu: !!up gabriel_laddel_p
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-24#1632244 < people are going to want their emacs configs anyways while they make the transition & there is still a lot of functionality to be stolen from the sources. Also, emacs is an editor, so you can fix CLIM issues while it is frozen, which one could not with a "x11 window".☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-24 03:17 phf: my solutions to problems like that don't usually involve "bring in a 40mb package". i'd write a top level handler, that shows a modal x11 based repl/restart machinery. sort of poor man's genera
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: how goes.
mircea_popescu: not bad.
phf: gabriel_laddel_p: people can also figure out how to install emacs if they need to. creating artificial restriction like that ensures that ~you~ while developing get exposed to the kind of annoyances that you should address first.
phf: clime for example shouldn't be global frozen, whether or not you have an emacs to fall back to.
phf: *clim
mircea_popescu: can anyone explain to me why the "browser" is a different item from this editor btw ?
mircea_popescu: there's apparently a history of having an "editor" for files ; and an "editor" for internets and yet another editor for debugging the smashed system (mostly used to "develop" or "code"). what again is the rationale ?
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: emacs doesn't have a graphical display.
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: Climacs does, and thus will become a "browser" networked-sorta-thing.
mircea_popescu: because there's definitely no fucking difference between "your x.org cant' come up would you like to fiddle with settings see if you can fix it" and "i am not happy with how my computer does oral sex will write a better procedure for it")
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p what is it, tactile ?
mircea_popescu: i will point out vlc has a "ascii art display", you can watch the godfather trilogy rendered in ascii. "so what's your excuse" follows immediately.
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: you can drop arbitrary objects into a climacs buffer, sorta like the DOM. you can operate on them according to their type, which is what SVG has been trying to do all along
mircea_popescu: cool.
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: I'm less talented than they.
mircea_popescu: i thought it was os.
phf: fwiw emacs has a browser builtin
mircea_popescu: yes but why is it different.
phf: from what?
mircea_popescu: from "the editor"
gabriel_laddel_p: phf: text browser. and yes, emacs can do images, but has no notion of x,y coordinates. Also, lack of threading.
mircea_popescu: "your car has a car built in." "is this because it's a shitty car ?" "no, we just do things that way."
mircea_popescu: i am confused.
mod6: hahah
phf: i'm not my brother's keeper!
mircea_popescu: hola mod6
mod6: hai
mircea_popescu: phf i was just asking in my spare time!
phf: i'm unprepared to pursue the whys and hows of the field, and there's usually no escaping it with your "idle questions". so i'll just concede, the whole thing is idiotic.
gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634423 < lat,longitude?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 22:30 asciilifeform: re shortages, lulzy trend in washington region of building block after block after block of cardboard condo towers ~which then stand dark, for years on end~ continues
mircea_popescu: i really wasn't pursuing any thesis. jus' curious.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and in "markov chains today", https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1859970.0;all << lol, the Mrbigg malware dude's profile pic got fat
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1643950 << look near just about any train stop now☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 04:21 gabriel_laddel_p: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634423 < lat,longitude?
asciilifeform went to one that used to have empty fields around, last yr, and it was now surrounded with this cardboard.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1643942 << emacs is not an engineered object, like, say, mercedes, or even trabant. instead it is a pile of amoebic dysenteric liquishit.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 04:14 mircea_popescu: "your car has a car built in." "is this because it's a shitty car ?" "no, we just do things that way."
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1643932 << this works considerably better for films than for stills . ( the 'why' is exercise for reader )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 04:08 mircea_popescu: i will point out vlc has a "ascii art display", you can watch the godfather trilogy rendered in ascii. "so what's your excuse" follows immediately.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1643916 << what am i reading ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 03:18 mircea_popescu: and in "markov chains today", https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1859970.0;all
asciilifeform did not succeed in making sense of linked item, despite sinking entire 10min or so into subj
mircea_popescu: i dunno man.
BingoBoingo: It reads perfectly clear: Scammers Scamming Scammers, aka marketing wank
ben_vulpes: oh shame, cohen got embroiled in shit?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1643059 << aye, concede. can we move on to the failures of "culturing * populations and rubbing them across the sensitive mucous membranes is a bad idea" now?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 17:39 mircea_popescu: how is this supporting "Sinus flushing" as opposed to, i dunno, "used to wash up pre anal sex" ?
mircea_popescu: mmm
ben_vulpes: shy camgirls with great tits: http://68.media.tumblr.com/825037367e4035a1f4f92031667b15f3/tumblr_oo5do9N1K31rnq3xbo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: ok that's a great rack
ben_vulpes: mhm
ben_vulpes: hey you know what's great fun at the strip club? find the girls whose rodeo this is not their first and heckle the noobs.
ben_vulpes: i found the strip club where bottoms stay on and hey what do you know, average dancer expertise is through the roof
mircea_popescu: mmm
mircea_popescu: say wut ?
ben_vulpes: i mean heckle subtly, from the booths. with eyes and conversation.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: commodity pdx strip clubs have an utterly inane rhythm. 3 dances: first sorta-clothed, second no top, third no bottoms.
mircea_popescu: as in bare cunt or as in "this is the designated 2nd underwear we take off"
ben_vulpes: nono, bare cunts
mircea_popescu: a cool
ben_vulpes: nudity is free speech in oregon
mircea_popescu hates that dumb shit.
ben_vulpes: also 2 decades of right to die, but that's neither here nor there
mircea_popescu: no, actuially it's pretty cool.
ben_vulpes: rather
ben_vulpes: glorious socialist utopia of pac nw: best water, bare cunts and right to die
mircea_popescu: sounds pretty cool.
ben_vulpes: anyways, this particular club of its own accord mandates bottoms at all times. result is that the dancers are of markedly higher dancing quality than girls in the clubs up the street, charging 5x cover.
mircea_popescu: i dunno that's anymore than happy coincidence.
ben_vulpes: sure!
ben_vulpes: upon consideration it's probably just observation bias from asking "so whose dancing do you like"
mircea_popescu: how much for the blowjob ?
ben_vulpes: no idea
phf: oddly enough, those are usually free
ben_vulpes: i should ask i suppose
ben_vulpes: i'm playing with how much they'll do in the club for how little this year
mircea_popescu: phf from his 5x comment i gathered it's one of those cheaper joints where they don't make money out of table service and charge per the bj
phf: ... are you ircing from a club?
ben_vulpes: i got two of the established girls to clear one of the minor's booths for the three of us this evening! for a whole set! for less than the cost of a single song in the vip room!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes why squeeze the girls, i don't get it ?
ben_vulpes: and this is why i don't play eulora
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: not really a squeeze, "no, come on. we'll grab a side stage. you've been great just come along."
mircea_popescu: i meant the "how much for how little" thing.
mircea_popescu: so you save fiddy bux that'd have paid her rent in the time you don't cost the usg 10k ? umm
ben_vulpes: well from the cause of "i was just watching but okay" and not towards the purpose of "how much for how little"
mircea_popescu: working the wrong end of the stick.
mircea_popescu: i c
ben_vulpes: "vip" rates are "30 us per song with no touching", "ultra vip" rates are "100/10 min and maybe we let you touch something", ben_vulpes rates are "just sit down and tip like normal and we'll writhe all over you for reasons"
mircea_popescu: i take it you had a good time.
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shinohai: ooh ty asciilifeform good fodder, i was just writing shitcoin satutarday, etc
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trinque: ^ alrighty, got the thing with a suitable fee, works reliably again
trinque: I'm kicking the cron back on
trinque: got away with a 0.0001 fee for nearly the whole life of deedbot to date. cannot confirm a transaction with less than 0.0005 now.
trinque: this is good for bitcoin (TM) (R)
mircea_popescu: i think it is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform awww.
asciilifeform: reading the paper -- it worked exactly as you'd expect -- simple deduction.
mircea_popescu: incidentally Framedragger , do you have a working theory as why he didn't say "decentralized systems lab plagiarized #trilema" ?
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: no, it's an important question, for him.
mircea_popescu: "oh, it's because there's a borisov at urbana" ? "alf likes red" ? what is it. gotta have a theory, even if it turns out to be a wrong theory.
asciilifeform: i'ma leave it as an exercise then .
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: (but if anyone in teh esteemed lordship wants to congratulate the three faculty members on doing good work and invite them over, that'd be nice.)
mircea_popescu: !!rate shinohai 3 The Right Honorable Baron Titsbare
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deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of shinohai from 2 to 3 << The Right Honorable Baron Titsbare
mircea_popescu: !!rate Framedragger 4 His Lordship the Lord Scanner
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: !!rate Framedragger 4 His Lordship the Lord Scanner
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mircea_popescu: extra space huh,.
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deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of ben_vulpes from 4 to 4 << His Lordship the Lord of the Well
mircea_popescu: trinque could deedbot get a !!seen which would return the top line of the last otp the nick in question responded correctly to ?
mircea_popescu: as a model !!seen mircea_popescu now would yield "<deedbot> mircea_popescu RATE ben_vulpes 4 His Lordship the Lord of the Well Sat Apr 15 08:25:39 CST 2017" or somesuch. link rather than timestamp would also work well.
mircea_popescu: (meanwhile in chicago, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a38d98f0e507b5650a05fc44032e7679/tumblr_o7136rRaWe1u0i0qzo1_400.gif )
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, mp wakes up with the idea he'll do an asciiart post to spite the world. turns out http://gimpchat.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1460 and alf had something with his "stills" thing.
asciilifeform: the scarcity of ready proggy for it wasn't the reason at all.
asciilifeform: but rather that asciiated films look ok, but still looks like shit much of the time.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: i got no argument, because the only possible argument would be "need better glyphs". isn't it strange that for all the crazy batshit nonsense including waterguns and whatnot utf put in, there isn't a "255 chars optimized for ascii rendering of stills" ?
mircea_popescu: i think it is strange.
asciilifeform: unicode aint ascii
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: what'd be, then , the point, actual jpg would almost certainly weigh ~less~ and display moar reliably
mircea_popescu: i dunno, make the point that utf is stupid ?
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doppler: my current favorite is U+1F574
doppler: "man in business suit levitating"
mircea_popescu: heh
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-15#1644022 << i understand the importance of this question and shall attempt some kind of answer, or will properly fail. bit later (took mdma last night with girl, after ~3 year break. so much love omg.)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-15 14:09 mircea_popescu: incidentally Framedragger , do you have a working theory as why he didn't say "decentralized systems lab plagiarized #trilema" ?
mircea_popescu: lol nice.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger does raver chicks eh. shoulda figured, britain.
Framedragger: funnily this one wasn't british, the latter are usually just plain..boring, man. maybe i can't find ways to excite them. but their minds, blergh
Framedragger: this time was like "she wants sex i just want to listen to her mind maaaan"
mircea_popescu: my sister went to denmark, married romanian she found there. it's a thing, this.
Framedragger: hah! :) i see, i see
mircea_popescu: how did that "bad" poem go...
mircea_popescu: Creep home, and take your place there, the spent and maimed among ; God grant you find one face there, you loved when all was young.
asciilifeform: housman?
asciilifeform: or who was it
Framedragger: mmm. this will..recur, some decades later, in mind, i'm sure
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one charles kingsley
mircea_popescu also has cousin, went to germany to get married, ended up marrying romanian dude she met on the flight back. dude grew up literally across the hill from her.
mircea_popescu: turns out exogamy is hard.
Framedragger: maybe sometimes just need that new-environment-kick/vibe to shift perspective. or maybe just hard, yeah
mircea_popescu: human sexuality is possibly the most complex mechanism in all creation.
mircea_popescu: by comparison intelligence is relatively straightforward.
Framedragger: it does feel that way.
Framedragger: ty for deedbot trinque, looks good!
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> my sister went to denmark, married romanian she found there. it's a thing, this. <- this is the sort of thing I keep noticing and can't yet explain beyond "people basically get homesick - they went abroad for it being rich, not for them not suffering the poor ways at home"
mircea_popescu: i think it's the ever-classical prime-fire mechanism. they go away from home to get horny and then they seek a guy just like home to take care of it.
mircea_popescu: most of life works on this paroxistic mechanism.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman btw do you know the "just like mom used to make" joke ?
diana_coman: no or don't recall it; I being apparently an exception to that thing, I'm still trying to digest it
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: gal finds guy and falls in love. they get married an' all is well!
mircea_popescu: except, gal is also a renowed cook, won contests and shit. so obviously she cooks for the guy, and he likes it and all, but... well... it's not like mom used to make.
diana_coman: the burnt thing?
mircea_popescu: girl goes nuts, spends a while trying everything. nothing catches. eventually has enough of the shit, stops caring, one day burns the food.
diana_coman: aha
mircea_popescu: JUST LIKE MOM USED TO MAKE!11
mircea_popescu: diana_coman aha, teh burnt thing.
diana_coman: I knew it but with previous wife thing
mircea_popescu: ahs
diana_coman: this is why I said earlier: they left for the "rich opportunities" not because "I can't stand this shit!"
mircea_popescu: this, of course, from an alt-world where people don't esl and mothers cook or hang.
diana_coman: they actually liked the shit very much
mircea_popescu: diana_coman conceivably they left because nuclear family inhibited sexual maturation.
diana_coman: or that; can be
mircea_popescu: people aren't really made to be wolves. this nonsense of "apartments", man+woman+kids dun work irl.
mircea_popescu: there's gotta be woods to run dogs in and maids quarters to ravish maids in and stables to roll the peasantry in the hay and etcetera.
diana_coman: hm, to me it sounds more that it's a case of "this nonsense of forcing peasantry and maids and dogs and whatnots to have their own apartments dun work"
diana_coman: but whatever
mircea_popescu: that also.
mircea_popescu: too much partitioning with inadequately semi-permeable membranes
Framedragger: trinque: wot.deedbot.org older ratings (from #bitcoin-otc et al.) gone? they were there just before. or is this intended?
Framedragger: ah they're not gone from e.g. mp's page (but gone from mine). anyway, no rush / low priority (!!wot gives the full thing anyway)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in natural fur, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b53def1efaf837feee8a1d4783069d2c/tumblr_nvdxstmuN21ttmek2o1_1280.jpg
netmonk: hello
mircea_popescu: hola
mod6: hi
mod6: So I collected 1.2Gb worth of data from FG. Which for the Advanced test I don't think would be a problem... about to do the `ent` & `dieharder` tests.
mod6: asciilifeform: this is ok ya? ^
mircea_popescu: you gonna blog teh results ?
mod6: yeah, i made a blog of all the basic results so far, complete with pics & thumbnails.
mircea_popescu: nice
mod6: i'll include the advanced test parts before publication.
mircea_popescu: looking forward!
mod6: :]
asciilifeform: mod6: make sure to include your terminal settings
asciilifeform: mod6: and yes, 1G+ -- the moar, the better, esp. for 'dieharder'
mod6: cool. running dieharder now.
mod6: my blog will cover everything from step 1-4
mod6: with pics
mod6: well, i even added the unboxing pics in there too.
mircea_popescu: excellent!
asciilifeform: oh hey mircea_popescu , didja know that rando derp Could Be As Cool As Phuctor Even Though Never Finding Anything ? >> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/the-large-bitcoin-collider-is-generating-trillions-of-keys-and-breaking-into-wallets
mircea_popescu: lmao
asciilifeform: ( 'breaking into wallets' apparently consists of searching for sha1 puzzles )
mircea_popescu: hey, it got $random-spamsite linked here./
asciilifeform: hey, we linked timecube neh.
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mod6: also, 406K+ blocks eaten, and into blk0032 nao
mircea_popescu: did we do THE jizzdoll ? http://68.media.tumblr.com/377826a655939544e74b1ac5e5960e81/tumblr_nkswicJX8o1upy7peo1_400.gif
asciilifeform: seems like they search for ripemd collisions, 'At the moment, the pool is looking for private key collisions of P2PKH addresses. We are looking only at addresses with funds on them (see below for the why) and at the moment there are around 9 million of these in use. The pool uses a probabilistic data structure called Bloom filter to do the checking for each newly generated hash160 against all of the known hash160 with funds on them.'
asciilifeform: ( https://lbc.cryptoguru.org/man/theory )
asciilifeform: this is screamingly -ev vs., say, ordinary mining.
asciilifeform: but apparently these folx dun care.
asciilifeform: ( what is the motivation, i have nfi, probably the usual dekulakization itch )
mircea_popescu: my theory is different. let's expound :
mircea_popescu: if you build a fictious world that is flat, which is to say, the opposite of tmsr, a world in which it dun matter who your daddy is and any $random-nick can have any idea whatosever,
mircea_popescu: it then necessarily follows that existence is predicated not on existence but on speech.
mircea_popescu: since in such a world any reasoning is conventionally impossible (as it'd enact hierarchy and bring the daddy issues they ran from in the first place front and center)
mircea_popescu: it then follows that any speech is fundamentally equivalent to any other speech, and a volume of speech is a minimum requisite for existence at all times.
mircea_popescu: we can checkpoint here and verify that this is a correct model by observing how exactly it predicts us-like "academia".
mircea_popescu: now, in this situation, random item with delusions of agency (in "our democracy" terms "a person") is stuck with the following problem :
trinque: Framedragger: maybe when I fixed the data for yours a few days / week ago, I fixed it too hard
trinque: going to be out today; I'll take a look soon
mircea_popescu: given the list of all the things that have been said already (this is really a tree, but in his perspective it's flattened into a list by nulling out all the values associated with the string nodes), his choice is :
trinque: I have all the original data
asciilifeform: https://lbc.cryptoguru.org/trophies << quite different interpretation suggests itself -- they are 'princetonizing' the work of the 2014 folx who searched for reused nonces.
mircea_popescu: either say something that's not in the list and get the points for existence found in the saying ; or say something already on the list, for less points.
asciilifeform: and likewise promoting the notion that bitcoin can have 'rightful owner' who differs from the keyholder.
mircea_popescu: as there's no OTHER dampener of the existence points outside of this scheme, you are guaranteed that in a flat world all the things will be said (and none of the things will be listened to)
mircea_popescu: consequently, vice finds it +ev in those terms to maintain an item spuriously named "motherboard" in which to publish stuff like "the wallet collider consisting of a guy plucking wings off flies and dropping the maimed insect carcasses on his exposed glans penis."
asciilifeform: ( and notice, there is a piece re 'cryptoguru.org' but never phuctor . )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform vice is literally, precisely and exactly a google spam device, like taboola or whatever.
mircea_popescu: all they're trying to do is arbitrage the click.
mircea_popescu: anyway. this is what i currently use to epxlain random string production, like "motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/the-large-bitcoin-collider-is-generating-trillions-of-keys-and-breaking-into-wallets" or like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-14#1643409 or everything in between☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-14 02:23 asciilifeform: 'Mircea Popescu stole a large amount of BTC from BitBet.us prior to this...' << lol
mircea_popescu: note, for extra lulz, that they are STILL "disagreeing" with "mp raped ethereum", no matter how well established that is. even as they are pushing the "mp stole from bitbet", no matter how ridoinculously unsupportable thart one is. why is this ?
asciilifeform: it still doesn't explain why some frogs croak, others -- emit lolcats, but yet others -- faux phuctors
mircea_popescu: for reasons of abhoring vacuum. the ethereum thing WAS ALREADY SAID, they can't count by saying it. the bitbet nonsense -- not so.
mircea_popescu: it's what drives nubbins to nubbins, and all of these sad souls generally to wikipedia edit, quora answer etc.
asciilifeform: ( btw bbet still dead!1111 )
mircea_popescu: a strange sort of livresque existentialism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it needn't explain that. your physics dun explain why some K sits, some emits beta and some emits gamma.
mircea_popescu: it's a random phenomenon, same root as brownian motion.
asciilifeform: i thought nubbinsing was a more elementary 'there are no superior men! see, this one, he's a piece of shit just like me, i'll show how'
mircea_popescu: plenty of them emit "sdflkgkljerytuio ewaoeru oi2ew" and the spellcheker turns that into words
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but that's a later reinterpretation of the fgundamental "gotta say unsaid things to exist"
mircea_popescu: much like "the color red" is an ulterior construction on photon interaction
asciilifeform: plenty of nubbinses seem to be quite all right not saying much of anything, but only sitting and metabolizing their mcfood
asciilifeform: they don't show up on the radar tho.
mircea_popescu: which goes to prove the point. no speech, no existence.
mircea_popescu: because how would they ? physical existence is racist.
asciilifeform: they exist, presumably, for the mcfood dispensaries, the riot cops, 'professionals who deal for a living with the stinking poor' per mircea_popescu's old article
asciilifeform: to revisit upstack, it is fascinatingly easy to assemble ~voluntary~ arbitrary-code botnet
asciilifeform: add basic flavouring, and idiots install your ???.exe
asciilifeform: even will spend money to put it on better iron
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Zg1MF/?raw=true << deobfuscated perl from subj. he loads arbitrary extensions via -- yes -- plain ftp
asciilifeform: to 'verify' -- get this -- he periodically asks ~hash of the perl src~ -- because it Would Be Wrong!111 apparently, to write a proggy that sends the right hash but runs Wrong logic..
asciilifeform: the one thing that is quite opaque to asciilifeform -- does somebody's head ~actually~ work like this ? or is this elaborate parody/mockery
asciilifeform: in other lulznoose, 'Pennslyvania Avenue in front of the White House and Lafayette Park have been evacuated.' 'suspicious object'
ben_vulpes: little 'lisp os' doesn't have its own c compiler, author makes "transpiler": https://github.com/froggey/Iota
asciilifeform: where's the 'os' ben_vulpes ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pretty good reason to stay in florida
asciilifeform: linked item is a llvm bytecode to cl translator ( undergrad homework )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'mezzano'
doppler: they did a third demo recently
asciilifeform: and why does it need to build llvm and clang ?!
asciilifeform: what sort of 'lisp os' needs a massive c compiler ?
asciilifeform: what is sdl graphics library (c) doing in there ?
ben_vulpes: i am making very serious faces of 'no fucking idea'
asciilifeform: what is 'This is a quick hack of Quake ported to the Simple DirectMedia Layer library' doing in there ?
asciilifeform: how about doom1.wad (?!!)
asciilifeform: did somebody just collect rubbish from old 1990s hdd and upload ?!
asciilifeform: ok, looks like they are there so that 1) clang can build them to llvm bytecode 2) emulator then runs same.
asciilifeform: still snoar.
asciilifeform: what the fuck is the point of running a cl runtime so as to run llvm bytecode ?
asciilifeform: 'yay! we finally can haz opaque blobs of liquishit running in our cl proggies!11111'
ben_vulpes: i'm halfway curious about the cl it poops out
asciilifeform: what kind of surprise does ben_vulpes expect ?
asciilifeform: you can transform bytecode liquishit to whatever language, fortran, basic, if you like
asciilifeform: will look quite similar.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all graduate heads work like that.
asciilifeform: wtf is a graduate head
mircea_popescu: this is what the piece of paper certifies. "person is to a large degree wilfully blind to sense to satisfy imperial conventions."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyone who has a college degree.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has degree. it is in a cardboard tube, in a broom closet, with mops, pans, old pcbs.
mircea_popescu: yes, and every day of your life you are struggling against it.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: 'i forgot moar maths than you ever learned, maggots' (tm)(r)(prof. b)
mircea_popescu: lmao a doom wad.
mircea_popescu: did i mention i am having a very excellent time reading trilema logs ? because i am.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to round up the previous thread : do not imagine you can enact yourself through saying. that magic dun work here.
asciilifeform: i went out to the swamp and tried to tell this to the frogs, the cicadas, dun seem to have worked.
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: brekekekex.
mircea_popescu: i have this cicada on the wall sounding exactly like my fan is going out on the wind-up phase.
mircea_popescu: got me like 3x during a week
asciilifeform: i bet it goes great with the dying hdd bird
mircea_popescu: insanity you know.
asciilifeform: speaking of hdd, now is probably not bad time to load up on ssds, if you use'em in any qty.
mircea_popescu: oversupplied huh
asciilifeform: before the koreans burn.
asciilifeform: a 300 $ ssd could easily turn into a 30,000 $ .
mircea_popescu: i dunno if 30k, but 4-500 mebbe.
mircea_popescu: happened recently didn't it. coupla years ago.
asciilifeform: that was mechanical disks, when, iirc, taiwan flood
mircea_popescu: yep
asciilifeform: ssd landscape is far sadder, ~nobody but s. kr makes serious flash roms.
asciilifeform: any moar.
asciilifeform: ~monopoly.
asciilifeform: ( you will see non-kr brand marks, but the internals are samsung )
asciilifeform: in other lulzies, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bbet.jpg
asciilifeform: ^ 5min ago
asciilifeform: didjaknow.
asciilifeform: 'BitBet is the premier Bitcoin casino, offering its players all of their favorite casino games like Blackjack, Roulette and Craps.'
mircea_popescu: afaik that's ancient.
asciilifeform: hm.
asciilifeform: the actual bbet no longer appearing at all -- is afaik not ancient
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: pretty sure if you go offline for 2-3 days google drops the listing
asciilifeform: yeah
asciilifeform: in other lulz, box from which ssh bruteforce all day, http://62.75.216.148 << shows live footage from... a church, and 0 text
asciilifeform: and, http://62.75.216.148:8088 << 'admin' / 'admin'
asciilifeform: logs you in.
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: so what's w say
asciilifeform: pw now 'trilema'.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, i expect whoever is trying to make botnet via ssh bruteforce uses these via whatever pore ; pw changhe won't do much.
asciilifeform: didn't expect it would.
asciilifeform: the interesting q is, which pore.
mircea_popescu: you can prolly find it if you care to run a netstat or such
asciilifeform: 0 sportsmanship.
mircea_popescu: the point of life is 0 sportsmanship.
asciilifeform: meanwhile,
asciilifeform: asciilifeform -- 'find granite beads' pet: 'found, on etsy' asciilifeform : 'buy'
mircea_popescu: im sending the nuclear waste crew towards end of april ?
mircea_popescu: "how to turn bed, bath and beyond into a reliable supplier of uranium pellets" by alf the beedog.
mod6: heheh
asciilifeform: the funny bit is, in usa you can generally buy, e.g., actual uranium oxide (not by the kg, but can buy, easier than, say, gunpowder.) but it'd be quite useless for ~mass~ rng.
asciilifeform: because will get through no post office.
mircea_popescu: it's so sad and unfortunate it's kcl and not say cocaine.
asciilifeform: lol cocainerng
mircea_popescu: you know ?
mircea_popescu: "i'm only buying it for the articles!"
asciilifeform: i imagine it'd be a bottle of cocaine and a toggle. you give cocaine to aficionado, then give him the toggle, to press.
mircea_popescu: no i mean, it copuld be in sf world the case that cocaine has K in it and nothing else does or w/e such sane reason.
asciilifeform: ( incidentally -- FUCKGOATS worx ok (if very slowly) with toggles instead of analogue rng modules. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we almost live in that world -- tobacco is in some place so 'hot' that you can take 'autoradiograph' of it, plain old film, no xray lamp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally in the same vein : everyone's probably familiar with the electronic muscle contractors from forced orgasm / workout footage. but the equivalent item excists as detector not efectuator. put on girl, fuck her, voila. "this is the key of your passion, honey."
asciilifeform: myograph
asciilifeform: i have one here.
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: (doesn't everybody)
mircea_popescu: depends.
asciilifeform: definitely not a low-tech item tho, quite a bit moar complex than plain old analogue rng
asciilifeform: point of toggle, is the simplicity
mircea_popescu: i thought point here was to fuck around.
asciilifeform: secondarily.
mircea_popescu: and in other spuria, http://68.media.tumblr.com/be65019af60f45d5bf8612d8af5cc7b3/tumblr_n2dl4vcmgh1qmqccso1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: ( the difference between 'fuck around' and r&d -- is that you oughta have some notion of what you're doing; and take notes. that way, directional, ratchet, rather than brownian walk.)
mircea_popescu: aha
mod6: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, et. al.: My unboxing and testing of a randomly selected FG shipped to me: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/
mircea_popescu: 8.000000 huh.
mod6: aha
mircea_popescu: lol the 4-5 places where dieharder reports weakness prolly need some review of dieharder code. anyone feel like emailing the maintainers ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 epic business, nicelydone.
mod6: thanks mircea_popescu
diana_coman: I really enjoyed reading this account of unboxing and testing the FG; thank you, mod6
mod6: diana_coman: thanks, yw!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> lol the 4-5 places where dieharder reports weakness prolly need some review of dieharder code. anyone feel like emailing the maintainers ? << I should note, I hope the pics of this arn't too misleading. if you like at the actual text output, there are only 2 'WEAK' tests, which are:
mod6: # The file file_input_raw was rewound 118 times rgb_lagged_sum| 23| 1000000| 100|0.00063764| WEAK
mod6: and
mod6: # The file file_input_raw was rewound 194 times rgb_lagged_sum| 31| 1000000| 100|0.00000479| WEAK
mod6: Ima run the dieharder again as `dieharder -a -g 201 -f fg.bin`, and see if I get the same results.
mod6: So in total from the dieharder: 112 PASSED, 2 WEAK
mircea_popescu: no idea why the rgb lagged sum should fail. would have to read the code.
mod6: yah, same.
mod6: i may dig into that more at some point here.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "discorsi da letto", http://68.media.tumblr.com/3078d04a4dc0167dc34e287354199615/tumblr_odbop0GV6m1vvuoufo1_500.gif
asciilifeform: mod6: certain % of the time, test 'weak' and , rarely, 'fail' ( simply means that author of dh decided that given result falls out of uniform distrib. range.)
asciilifeform: NOW if it happens with all of the units in mod6 's parcel, and ~every~ run -- then problem.
asciilifeform: /me not read mod6 's post yet
mircea_popescu: yes but prolly this should be reviewed.
asciilifeform: ftr no fg ships that reports a fail, or a 'weak' in any test consistently (2+ 1G runs.)
asciilifeform: (reject pile has half dozen analogue boards in it, presently)
asciilifeform: mod6: tested one unit only ?
mod6: yeah, just one randomly selected unit.
mod6: I re-ran the dh on the same fg.bin file (~1.2Gb) and the 'WEAK' tests were exactly the same ones, with exactly the same output values.
mod6: The only entire difference in the two runs was the rands/second at the top.
asciilifeform: on same file?!
mod6: Yah, will show...
asciilifeform: does 0!!
asciilifeform: dh is deterministic
asciilifeform: uses file as 'rng'
asciilifeform: thinkaboutit
mircea_popescu: yeah, same file same results.
asciilifeform: same as if you ran ent twice
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Nch5g/?raw=true
mod6: anyway, just wanted to be /sure/ that I wasn't getting some sort of varient test results from the dh.
asciilifeform: mod6: see above
mod6: got it.
mod6: I'll test all of my other units in this same fashion too.
asciilifeform: also i recommend to test every unit, aha
asciilifeform: it takes, what, a day.
mod6: apparently 157385 seconds
asciilifeform: i tested in batches of 7.
asciilifeform: bbl
mod6: ok thx!
BingoBoingo: !!up jhvh1`
deedbot: jhvh1` voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !~tslb
jhvh1`: BingoBoingo: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 2 seconds
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1`: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 462057 | Current Difficulty: 5.20808749422E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 463679 | Next Difficulty In: 1622 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 6 hours, 40 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None