gribble: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
phf: asciilifeform: soon.
phf: a very sensible decision
phf: what's our preferred gcc version? i'm having a brain malfunction
phf: hmmm rotor script actually uses 4.9, for some reason i though it was frozen around 4.2-4.3 but maybe i'm confusing it with eulora
mats: when he said he 'kitted out [his] detecting gear', i thought he bought a mounted MD/GPR thing for his vehicle
mats: imagine my disappointment when the thing turns out to be handheld
mircea_popescu: speaking of detecting gear, one of the best geek gotcha april fools thing would be to gift scam geiger counters to friends
mircea_popescu: diddled so after an hour of fuctioning or so they go into detecting overdrive.
punkman: even better, you gift them in christmans/newyears, have them be normal for 3 months
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The old civil defense detectors tend behave pretty erratically
BingoBoingo: mats: I similarly share your detector disappointment
mats: mosul is not going well
mats: iraqi army flees first mosul operation
mats: history repeats itself -- iraqis are evidently clever enough to know they can't win
mats: shit their pants and didn't even get inside city limits yet
trinque: I need to clean some things up, probably swap sqlite for postgresql, then it's ready.
mats: ;;ticker --market btcchina
gribble: BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 412.597248, Best ask: 412.61568, Bid-ask spread: 0.01843, Last trade: 412.61568, 24 hour volume: 41688.53600000, 24 hour low: 406.1184, 24 hour high: 428.395008, 24 hour vwap: 416.896228521
jurov: thestringpuller: so? every bank does, unless forbidden to
jurov: and subprime mortgages too. and...
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller "Join the world's fastest growing platform for moving, converting, transacting and holding any form of money or commodity. Instantly, securely and for free." << if someone actually takes that sort of thing seriously...
mircea_popescu: "fierce fighting" being, you know, people who stood a post for half an hour amirite
mats: they did retake tikrit, but that's not rly a win... just less of a loss
shinohai: Anyone here having any luck on chan logs? I can log fine, but making them search-able has been futile for me thus far.
mircea_popescu: jesus the headlines on usatoday, "17 yo michigan girl gets 10-20 years for plot to kill family"; "dad who murdered his kids to be executed wed" etc.
mircea_popescu: "vanilla shortage - icecream prices to increase" ; "fast food workers share things you should avoid"
mircea_popescu: ("A Michigan woman was arrested after she expressed a willingness to have sex with a pair she thought was a father and underage daughter, police said.", obviously. gotta keep teh gestapo fed. publish or perish!)
mircea_popescu: "The couple was identified by authorities after they contacted undercover federal agents online about assistance traveling to Syria." ; "pleaded guilty on Tuesday to a federal terrorism charge"
mircea_popescu: by now the entire usg government is approximately a webforum.
mircea_popescu: "identified more than 70,000 untested sexual assault kits in the custody of more than 1,000 law enforcement agencies in communities large and small, pointing to a national accumulation of untested kits that likely reaches well into the hundreds of thousands across the nation’s 18,000 law enforcement agencies." << and check it out, the us has more "law enforcement agencies" than there are people who give a shit whether it li
mircea_popescu: “I would never trust the legal system, frankly, to protect my family again,” Jeff Sikorski said.
shinohai: tl;dr USer puts 43 BTC on a paper wallet he doesn't understand.
mircea_popescu: mno. redditard claims he owns 43 btc and other things.
shinohai: Thats an old post, wonder why it is just being posted to sfyl
shinohai: Are they any good danielpbarron ?
danielpbarron: used to to make a bunch of 0.001 notes to hand out
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wouldja watch the savages movie ? then ima ellaborate on that basis.
mircea_popescu: it's a remake of the 5th element, except the new mila jovovich (that eskimo looking chick that played suzi q, the rape victim) is not up to the dumb blonde par ; and without bruce willis the whole thing decays into incredible ineptitude.
mircea_popescu: seriously, "saying it in italian" is how you make super-secret-agents ?
mircea_popescu: fucking parochial ustardism, what's next, galleons are built through correctly making the sign of the corss, and starships through correctly reciting the sensitivity credo ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, at least the other one was vaguely funny and vaguely sexy.
mircea_popescu: much like aeron flux, this film sins because a) the chick should have been naked about 50% of the film more, ie 50% instead of 0% ;
mircea_popescu: and unlike there, they actually needed a waif someone could conceivably want to fuck, here.
mircea_popescu: a lot less humourless tedium and unselfaware, unintentional self-irony critting would have also helped.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck designs bases with open storm sewer into the desert ? what if it's a fucking rain, your base gets wet ?
mircea_popescu: what if the chicken plant 20 miles down has an accident and sends a 7 foot tall chickenshitsludge tsunami ? does your base smell of chicken shit for the next three decades ?
mircea_popescu: there's a very good reason the character wears black. there is no fucking convention re the open storm sewer in the desert.
mircea_popescu: sweet innocent girl sitting next to me watching the apcs storm past the sewer was like "don't they know where the sewer is ?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but they wore black on stage because invisible. there's good reason for this!
mircea_popescu: right. there's nothing wrong with artistic license ; or with artistic convention.
mircea_popescu: if you'\re going to use the typically new york sewer escape scense
mircea_popescu: incontinent break of convention is the sign of ignorance.
phf: asciilifeform: those dead bushido masters made drawn swords go "schwink" on video, but i assume that's an intentional skill
mircea_popescu: super-mega-ultra-splendiferous fucking advanced computabase consists mostly of fucking tunnels and corridors going nofucking where.
mircea_popescu: why, because that's what the imbecile making the movie saw in star wars ?
mircea_popescu: no fucking research facility, let alone super-whatever base is designed like that!
mircea_popescu: it has no such root. castles were expensive, because of the stone. ~nobody built anything without a very good purpose.
phf: well, it's also doom 1 map convention "if it looks cool and complicated and lets you run through it's a base"
mircea_popescu: there were some tubes, used to throw rocks from very high parapets, later on
mircea_popescu: (castle age is separated from cannon age by centuries, ftr.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure. but as far as cultural impact goes, the catacombs (ie, burial site in old city) were much more important.
mircea_popescu: heck, most of ladri de biciclete, a1950s film, takes part in the underground vaults of rome.
mircea_popescu: so yes exceptions do exist. but the fact remains that the fucking reason you even take your base to the desert is to be free of this bs.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you ever played x-com interceptor, which was a splendid game
mircea_popescu: but imagine if the fucking base was full of corridors omfg!
mircea_popescu: it did rock. i once won an attack by the fucking muttons with he.
phf: there was that "if i were an evil overlord thing i will and won't do" list, which ranted on that point
mircea_popescu: ONE GUY survived. but i had 1k+ of the things, and god damned i used most.
mircea_popescu: phf think on just one thing : i also train women to be human. oft they get a task to talk to random people. they NEVER get a fucking task to memorize and recite random strings.
mircea_popescu: there sits the chick, confronted with some vacationing kids, she has not the werewithal to ACCEPT their offer for a ride
phf: there are some good icecream places. go to franklin fountain in philadelphia for example
phf: asciilifeform: we structure our lives very differently, so point taken
PeterL: asciilifeform arn't you the one who is always complaining you can't move because you need "real food"? yet now you say you have none where you are?
phf: asciilifeform: you know the name of that cellar?
mircea_popescu: i hope to one day live to see alf unable to leave because love.
phf: i'll keep that in mind
mircea_popescu: and in fairness food was always why you wanted TO move,
mircea_popescu: when i first left romania, "everyone" was pretty sure that ain't never happening. even had driver carry distraught damsel all the way to airport, 400 miles, and then carry her bawwing earthly coil back to cluj.
phf: dc food is not very good
mircea_popescu: but... all things can be fixed, and there's jewish butchers in new york and plenty of italians in boston and whatnot.
phf: but i've said that before, there are places in u.s. where food is good verging on excellent. there are couple of places in dc (pasta mia in adams morgan, temari in rockville) that have good food, but they are far and few
mircea_popescu: depends. as late as 2004 you could still get a decent steak cut, even in ny.
phf: in philadelphia you can buy into a cow share and get a bunch of excellent steak for i suppose once in a year feast
phf: of course, you can move to istanbul and have excellent kebab every day, but of course you'll have to work for usg expat style, since who else needs programmers
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is ~ how romanian village works. if poor, everyone raises pig, cuts for xmas, makes traditional preserves.
mircea_popescu: if rich however, everyone raises pigs, cuts by arrangement, fresh meat 2-3 times a week
mircea_popescu: village is one large wot, practically, once demand exceeds the pig, off its head goes.
mircea_popescu: did you find that extraordinary kebab shop, 2 squares down from galata ?
phf: there was two places within galata walking distance that we liked
mircea_popescu: i ended up hitting it 2x every time i was by, something else that place. tiny shop too, 100 feet of corner or such.
phf: but my favorite was restaurant on bosphorus. it was intended to be upscale, so they had those middle eastern style stern servers all wearing white and failing at simple tasks, but the kebab was rich and juicy
mircea_popescu: you don't mean the one where they display king carol ist of romania's approval, do you ?
mircea_popescu: for your peace of mind it was there a decade ago also, had a lulz with chetty at teh same pretense.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, turkey is covered in the sad marks of the misfortune of being too close to romania. the old port to this day carries an inscription explaining how romanian inept handling of explosives burned the whole thing down.
phf: can see plenty of romanian swag at the kopkapi
mircea_popescu: for srs. an as best anyone can discern, it really wasn't even intentional.
mircea_popescu: roughly equivalent to "here's this shit we captured off fucking isis!"
phf: haha, yes, it's there and it's exactly how i imagined it in person. very medieval christian soldier
phf: asciilifeform: there's a good kebab place in vienna which is a 30 minute drive for me, but i still make the trip from time to time, it's worth it. the food is OK, but the atmosphere is very "faux upscale tehran"
mircea_popescu: and to make the story whole : odessa, also marks, misfortune.
mircea_popescu: historically, romanian army conquered the city, derps as they are moved straight into the previous high command. which the soviets had mined. and the romanians didn't bother to check. so it blew up.
mircea_popescu: antonescu got pissed off, rounded population, shot a bunch. because hurr.
phf: up goes to previous entry, down goes to follow ups
phf: err, referenced entry
phf: up is superfluous really on account of there being a link, but down lets you see what was referenced later
mircea_popescu pours himself a glass of popcorn, waits for phf to fully ensnare himself in the monstruous task he's contemplating.
phf: well, would not be the first for a lisper
mircea_popescu: do you speak farsi ? do you know that line with the candleflame ?
phf: the hafes one about moth?
phf: ^ that one was easy guess on account of there being like many of those too
phf: there's basically a generic annotation-tron, that walks in memory log entries (on account of the whole past b-a log neatly fitting into 130mb of ram)
phf: and figures out if some worthwhile annotation can be produced
phf: two types of references that are fairly easy to produce are back links (that's the one working) and << refs that aren't quite there yet
phf: and then there's an entry point that takes specific log entry ids (or ranges), so can 1,10,50-100,900 and get them in the same format as above
phf: so mix and match the basic components and you get a working foundation for xref
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you have a copy of yegge's "quality without a name" stashed somewhere?
mircea_popescu: phf for my curiosity, will << be a reserved symbol ? to demonstrate to alf the value and importance of in-band control codes ?
mircea_popescu: or are you actually building binary tree out of loglines, and will identify references that way.
ben_vulpes: mhm, steve yegge had a piece called "quality without a name", large part was how amazon used (heavily customized) emacs for customer support during the early years, and support staff hated everything that came afterwards
gribble: Current Blocks: 405024 | Current Difficulty: 1.6549683511822635E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 405215 | Next Difficulty In: 191 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 4 hours, 17 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: In other reasons not to consort with random non-qntra journalists, Conde Nast writer serves process to fisherman trying to get compensated for lost time
https://archive.is/kJi6R BingoBoingo: "She wanted the buoy," he recalled. "I said: 'There's been some damage done, due to the loss of days, and time,' and she said she's not authorized to relinquish any money. At that point, she said: 'Don't you know we're the US government?'"
BingoBoingo: Sherer took that as a statement that the government can essentially do what it likes—a claim he found unbelievable.
pete_dushenski: d be the case otherwise. The only other option is to not regulate at all, and to not insure deposits. This would leave each bank, and its customers and depositors, with the ultimate responsibility of determining the appropriate risk capital. This option deserves greater consideration in light of the results of this paper.'
pete_dushenski: in other news, i managed to [absent-mindedly] get a 0txfee tx broadcast, and am now waiting to see if any miners are going to snap it up. doesn't look like there are many 0txfees being incorporated into blocks atm, so i'm not holding my breath on a quickee
ben_vulpes: it's not a true double spend unless you spend...twice.
ben_vulpes: tangentially relatedly, i've been trying to reconcile "designing a fork to heal the breach between miners and nodes" with "proceed from causes not towards purposes"
ben_vulpes: quadruple if you count the second, right?
ben_vulpes: afaict there is mircea_popescu's court, some dismally jolly sappers digging tunnels, and some people emptying bedpans in their finery
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: finally got the '1 from different addr'... and as fucking if!
trinque: ben_vulpes: many things called themselves republic throughout history, but I don't see how there being a court precludes there being a republic.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: "it's gw bush's fault that obama sucks isis brown dong in the middle east and it's his ~brother's~ fault that bitbet is insolvent. dagnammin bushes RUINING ALL THE THINGS"
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: and if you want an example of the use of "we" that actually makes no sense, see ascii's commenter bud
pete_dushenski: to the extent that i have an itch, and to the extent that commenter bro is outside of wot, sure
ben_vulpes: trinque: i'd expect at least a court and a forum
ben_vulpes: subject of, why did mircea_popescu choose to stay on fleanode?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: what's the arithmetic have to do with anything ?
pete_dushenski: kid on reddit has ideas about how the world ~should~ be and uses verifiable math to demonstrate that socialism is best -ism. this is the exact same, and equally inapplicable to davout's work.
trinque: next step ought be gossipd neh?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo> "She wanted the buoy," he recalled. "I said: 'There's been some damage done, due to the loss of days, and time,' and she said she's not authorized to relinquish any money. At that point, she said: 'Don't you know we're the US government?'" <<< bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> afaict there is mircea_popescu's court, some dismally jolly sappers digging tunnels, and some people emptying bedpans in their finery << becauyse why, we're 5yos and the alternatives we perceive are either cartman's own "whatever, i do what i want" or otherwise "we live in a dictatorship!111" ?
mircea_popescu: for the record : republic does not in any sense mean nor at any time did mean anything about individual liberty, and especially nothing about individual liberty to be a dumbass without consequence.
BingoBoingo: And seriously. Kyle needs to stahp the speeches.
mircea_popescu: it means something about structures of meaning, and that's about all. it doesn't even insist you don't go "lalala i cant' hear".
mircea_popescu: trinque> next step ought be gossipd neh? <<< yes. but you know... no cipher yet even.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> subject of, why did mircea_popescu choose to stay on fleanode? << i chose nothing. i simply saw that teh republic chose to not make any usable susbitute yet, and so here we are. why do you ask ?
mircea_popescu: hey, don't take this the wrong way, i understand why there isn't one, which is why ~i~ haven't said anything about it.
mircea_popescu: to force a comparison, the difference between a republic and all and sundry other group organizing patters is that the republic is a complete algebra (ie, elements, defined operations) whereas the rest is (necessarily, and provably so) just a dictionary (ie, list, array) of strings.
mircea_popescu: that one can't find the string he's looking for in the algebra is, at most, an indictment of the one.
mircea_popescu: prolly loads and loads of "noobs", mostly of the purposefully deliberate quality, once website.
mircea_popescu: at any rate : there's about as much room for democracy in a republic as there is for samples in formal logic. completely immiscible things.
mircea_popescu: "For example, a different federal statute provides that title to property used to commit a crime (or otherwise “traceable” to a crime) passes to the Government at the instant the crime is planned or committed." <<< ahahaha check out the ancient escheat to the crown in cases of treason!
mircea_popescu: well, no, usg has no obligation to uphold the laws, somehow.
mircea_popescu: if they get a power and don't use that power they don't hang for failure to use.
ben_vulpes: b-b-but BingoBoingo "the columns of caaarz!"
ben_vulpes: horse is only not in your particularly insane part of the states
ben_vulpes: there are notorious questions on the or dl test about rider signalling. yes, /horse/ rider signalling.
ben_vulpes: bikers are supposed to just get the fuck out of the way, sensibly.
mircea_popescu: fuck that, the city is spending money to make bike depots, where's my hay station ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, not enough people want it" wtf sort of argument is this.
ben_vulpes: only people biking in town are noisy impoverished children like myself
ben_vulpes: horses are more expensive than a car what is this
ben_vulpes: wake me when the us starts making roads out of something other than oil byproducts again
ben_vulpes mind-blow, horses are free what next houses?
mircea_popescu: schmucky socialists, you know, always with their bs. "oh cars are bad because oil - bikes better" "horses even better!" "oh that's not fair because uses beast, bike uses your own ass". o i see how it is, the only thing they ACTUALLY hate is powerful people, as long as it results in a reduction of individual power they like anything it may be.
ben_vulpes: depreciation, maintenance, spine damage, vulnerability to other humans and their wrecking-ball-vehicles
mircea_popescu: well unsurprising, the common substance of female whining is directly obvious to anyone who bitchslaps enough banshees.
mats: >Microsoft is adding the Linux command line to Windows 10: Bash coming to Windows is huge news for developers, developers, developers
ben_vulpes still waiting for integrated apple/ms/mobile linux
mircea_popescu: so basically windows is turning into yet-another-systemd ?
mats: i look forward to moar attack surface
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i thought systemd was modeled after windows
shinohai: +mats i look forward to moar attack surface <<< keks
mircea_popescu: heh maddox doing typically maddox pieces in 2016 is so... weird.
mircea_popescu: almost like some dude going on horseback from bufallo to albany
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: sorry, musta skimmed that bit of the old logs. but who's to say that bettors take any haircut at all ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: costs 0! grows by self! << there was an amusing bit in 'what i learned losing a million dollars' about how feller bought 'investment horse' and spent boatloads on medical bills before thing... croaked.
mircea_popescu: by and large, if you can't shoot it yourself, the land is shitland.
pete_dushenski: you pretty much can't crash 'investment car' hard enough that you'd lose every penny you ever sunk into it.
ben_vulpes: "this land is shit land, that land is shitland, from the trash of new york, to the smog of l.a......"
pete_dushenski: but you can shoot car! just leave to rust in farmer's field.
ben_vulpes: less of a shooting and more of a staking out for carrion birds though
pete_dushenski: cuz i'm not sure i can even keep up with the amount this bam-bam eats.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: plugging his hole with the pastes?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: [blended] fruits, vegs, yogurt, crackers, formula. all steeply-priced organic, obv.
pete_dushenski: so i largely avoid expenses that i can't bill to a company in one manner or another.
mircea_popescu: no, it's the not-poorfag in you. maybe some rubs off on these other louts!
pete_dushenski: i don't think my lavishly publicised expenditures on eizos and lexuses are going to help that effort.
mircea_popescu: i used to do the same thing, but meanwhile moved in a country where everyone pisses in the govt's face. (seriously, teh unions are actually putting up ads going "ganancia no es ingreso", ie, they don't have fucking income tax here)
pete_dushenski: might be time to change the flavour of contravex to that of the mrmoustacheguy
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the horse and hay, mark twain has a funny bit about his caballine purchase in drought-struck nevada.
pete_dushenski: reading 'titan' (mega-jdr bio) and longing for days of 3% income tax for $600-10k, 5% over $10k
pete_dushenski: can't bring myself to calculate how [much] rich[er] i'd be at such rates.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: aha. ru also offers 9% on 5-year bonds. sign a nigga up!
pete_dushenski: now that Great Divestment is upon us, i am in fact considering ru bonds.
mircea_popescu: russia exists out of the tolerance to poverty of its women and the rich subsoil. not much call for the latter in the much slower economy of the future. so rather than buying bonds...
☟︎ mircea_popescu: did i tell the joke with the various women in various countries ?
mircea_popescu: there's this sociological experiment underway, consisting of secluding a woman and a dozen men of different countries.
mircea_popescu: after which, their reports are taken as to their experience.
mircea_popescu: teh english rose : "oh, had a lovely time, went for long walks on the beach..." "but what about the men ?" "oh, i did see some gentlemen, but we weren't introduced."
mircea_popescu: teh frenchwoman : "ah, it was fabulous, the first day i was the wife of pierre and jean-luc was my secret lover and autre-pierre was my autre-secret lover and then next day stephen was my husband but he didn't know i was secretly married to lucien and also..."
mircea_popescu: "oh my fucking god, fucking horrible. they started drinking with the dawn, spent all day gangraping me, then all night long these tedious endless meetings to draw the attention of the collective to immodest, unsoviet behaviours and identify & castigate the guilty"