a111: Logged on 2016-06-16 23:09 mircea_popescu: i don't know hpa. any item purporting to be hpa's key is fake, and this can not be fixed by hpa or anyone on his behalf through technological means of any sort.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-16 23:17 mircea_popescu: more importantly : i don't want to outsource the management of my trust chains. if i trust you, i trust one key, not all keys in all derivations you may one day come up with.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: btw would phuctor (as it currently works) be able to import an otherwise normal openpgp / rfc4880 key either (1) no self-sig or (2) a somehow borked (nulled? haven't looked at rfc4880 data structures yet) self-sig? as i see it lotsa info is actually contained *within* the signed part, in that format..
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> nothing in usa - that one could live in - costs this little, unless it is attached to onerous restoration mandate from the city, and/or surrounded by heavily armed and belligerent africa << AHA, the latter. You gotta supply your own walls!
BingoBoingo: Well, also in Cairo, Illinois. A very special nowhere.
BingoBoingo: You know how the coastal property market works? Cairo is kinda the opposite. rural AND black! North of the Mason-Dixon line too!
BingoBoingo: But roads out are less nice. Also Cairo has city (flood) walls
BingoBoingo: And BingoBoingo already lives in paler region of middle west
mod6: <asciilifeform>
http://thebitcoin.foundation still contains a buncha #b-a links ? << yeah, shinohai did a project where he transfered over the stuff there like the wiki to the deedbot page.
mod6: i haven't updated the links because i wasn't sure that the deedbot wiki page is fully baked yet.
mod6: the content is baked, not sure about the infrastructure/container itself.
mod6: is this stuff ready?
mod6: and yah, as far as I can tell asciilifeform, the only #b-a links there (three of them) are pointing at wiki.bitcoin-assets.com
☟︎ mod6: or did you see others?
trinque: the thing's fine to be linked to, but I don't think shinohai finished transferring pages
shinohai: All are there except mebbe 2-3 articles I haven't finished formatting
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 01:27 mod6: and yah, as far as I can tell asciilifeform, the only #b-a links there (three of them) are pointing at wiki.bitcoin-assets.com
mircea_popescu: it entirely subverts pgp. and i don't believe it to be accidental either.
mircea_popescu: now, the ad-interim solution is to a) sign the key ; b) only encrypt to signed key. but... dun help noobs.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-16 23:58 Valfor: My nick has been the same :P
Valfor: :/ it shouldn't have reverted to that
Valfor: that was my nick a loooong time ago
Valfor: and znc is not configured for that any longer
Valfor: sorry danielpbarron - honest mistake
Valfor: slight modification on Valefor
Valfor: which is a "Duke of Hell" from the Goetic Demons
Valfor: I just found myself looking through a list of goetic demons via wiki-page jumping at the time I happened tob e looking for a new nick
Valfor: so I picked one I thought looked interesting
shinohai: "Vitalik tries to switch ethereum to PoV (proof-of-vitalik) in an attempt to save a sinking DAO"
gribble: mod6 was last seen in #trilema 9 hours, 54 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <mod6> cool thx alf
thestringpuller: yea. but order didn't go through via coinbr. jurov i think the proxy you're using is down.
mircea_popescu: Chave utilizada na aula de seguranca de computacao part is lulzy enough.
mircea_popescu: besides, i had no proof and what else. modern sciences.
mircea_popescu: next thing you know mit labs is going to discover lightbulbs.
mircea_popescu: if it makes you feel better, the word pretty much exclusively means "circuit breaker" in romanian.
thestringpuller: its slightly terrifying the amount of people willing to sign a contract before reading it.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-07 00:03 mircea_popescu: so looking at the shitcoins, "ethereum" switched with "ripple" YoY. hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: (note incidentally that the ethereum monetary base increased 50% past week.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform next, watch the usg agents derping about how "cryptocurrency is dead because our shitscheme imploded" ; and once that goes nowhere, watch them come back to bitcoin to "fix" the "consensus problems" it "has".
☟︎ thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you'll likely see vocal people pushing for hard forks to prevent scams in Bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: "let us apply the experience of mit-genius rockheadboy. mongoloids have things to say about theatre! they learned a lot of valuable insights in the sanitarium!"
mircea_popescu: they have a slide deck for how they wanted ethershitium to work, also.
mircea_popescu: apparently they went to a different kindergarten than yours.
shinohai: yeah mircea_popescu I put it in "later"
mircea_popescu: does it say something like "nationalization of the whole scheme is regarded as the solution by the technologically challenged MIT troop" ?
mircea_popescu: cuz seriously, this is what they want to do, "we fucked up so let's confiscate everyone's stuff and start over"
shinohai: i did include the confiscation / immutability thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is what every government always says about every currency nationalization ever.
mircea_popescu: i suppose accused rapist could say "i didn't rape everyone, just this one".
mircea_popescu: no idea how this constitutes a defense, but each his own
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Further lulz added and published
thestringpuller: ;;later tell BingoBoingo I know. I know! It's like making sure to stand every hour from the computer. Or go to the gym everyday.
mircea_popescu: lol conspicuously missing, the hanno boeck "i already had published this nowhere" angle.
BingoBoingo: hanno boeck is for shitgnomming GPG, other shitgnomes for this
BingoBoingo: To be fair Trey has a long way to go before fully Cartman
mircea_popescu: ahahaha "one of the world's leading security audit companies, dejavu security"
BingoBoingo: I dunno how to conjugate adjectives in pig latin
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they can just clone these at will anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, the beheading hurt something fierce, check out all the various research they're giving him to publish to prop him up. win-win lol.
shinohai: I woke up this morning and died laughing when i saw dao "b/c"
mircea_popescu: "Stephan Tual is the Founder and COO of Slock.it. Previously CCO for the Ethereum project, Stephan has three startups under his belt and brings 20 years of enterprise IT experience to the Slock.it project. Before discovering the Blockchain, Stephan held CTO positions at leading data analytics companies in London with clients including VISA Europe and BP." <<< schmuck who wrote a blogpost so fucking dumb, it took me 10 minute
mircea_popescu: s to realise he wasn't mocking the inept mit shit but actually playing it straight.
mircea_popescu: this is vaguely reminiscent of the power rangers sucking themselves off on reddit about how great they were at testing some shitlibrary they wrote.
thestringpuller: LOL: 1/2 "Thief" now probably coordinating an effort to oppose the hardfork that would see the DAO token holders getting their ETH back
thestringpuller: 2/2 - I'd be VERY interested to know the identify of anyone coordinating an effort to oppose a hardfork. PM me stephan@slock.it
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, /me loves how teh usg is spending its crap fiat to try and prop up a crap altcoin.
thestringpuller: Slack is IRC when you slap a bunch fo Javascript and CSS on it.
mircea_popescu: anyway. so they're in well over 100 fake mn by now. what's the usg.mit budget for propping up the scamcoin ? any guesses ?
mircea_popescu: so they're actually gonna pay out the whole billion the shitpile is supposedly "market cap" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, the fiat exchanges are even faker than the bitcoin ones, but still, money IS bleeding out. i can assure you of that much :D
mircea_popescu: anyway. hopefully they don't get spooked and do as you say. end up paying the market cap out of pocket a dozen times over the next coupla years, one for each consecutive hole.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the "chumps" bought in worth less than 100k.
mircea_popescu: EVERYTHING else you see is mostly fake in the sense of "my webpage can print any numbers i want it to", and less so in the sense "mit will pay so you say shit smells nice"
mircea_popescu: about 97% to 3% or thereabouts being the split of these two categories, historically.
mircea_popescu: the point is EXACTLY the same ineptitude of usgism that created the taliban, "russians must have competitor", and then the isis "taliban must have competitor" and so on.
mircea_popescu: except these aren't made out of real people, but out of esltards and other civilised shitheads, so they keep falling over.
mircea_popescu: mno, it was ripple v2.0, "usg must have a horse in the race".
mircea_popescu: unfortunately for the "greatest country^H^H^H^H^Hgovernment in the world"'s ambitions, the horse keeps turning out lame and slutty.
shinohai: dao -34.34 % <<< another 10% since this morning
mircea_popescu: with any luck after he does that he could maybe get a job consulting for the clinton she-slug
thestringpuller: Funny. Ethereum was able to recreate the traditional banking system in 1% of the time! With bailouts and everything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you got a ~57% chance of eating crow come december you know.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 741.37, vol: 16521.92719398 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 716.517, vol: 13639.79754 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 741.65, vol: 110284.08618994 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 675.0, vol: 3.51664731 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 747.881, vol: 76696.04950000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 741.25, vol: 6765.55420433 | Volume-weighted last average: 742.219500141
deedbot: fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: You're welcome, now who's your daddy and what does he do.
fromphuctor: I have a bunch of RSA moduli I'd like to test. The phuctor entry page says it requires GPG public keys. How do I format them as GPG keys?
fromphuctor: I have the moduli and the exponents in hex or base64, but I'm not familiar with GPG.
fromphuctor: x509 certificates for various timestamping servers. All either 2048-bit or 4096-bit, all exponents are 65537.
fromphuctor: This is most idle curiosity on my part, but I think this project is cool.
fromphuctor: Also if one should be weak, I'll skip using that server.
fromphuctor: I'd rather know what the format is and assemble the bits in linqpad, if anyone has a reference lying around. Can't seem to find it quickly via google.
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
fromphuctor: Ah, so I should have been searching for PGP not GPG
fromphuctor: Would be nice to paste in SSH keys too, not just PGP.
fromphuctor: All it's doing is extracting the rsa modulus before it gets to work, right?
fromphuctor: So pasting in a bare modulus would be the easiest, and GPG and SSH would just be fancyness to make the website easy to use
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 16:24 asciilifeform: if bbet were around, it would go with me losing some coinz
mircea_popescu: the other piece is fucking ridicuouls, "100 of instances worth 30mn a year" is ~the global market of nose hair salons.
phf: ten watch. such much?
fromphuctor: Looks like it's going to take me a while to get up to speed on pgp. Is there even a way to minimally wrap an RSA public key without entering name and info fields?
trinque: phf: would you be connecting to the db via btcbase.org ?
fromphuctor: Or do I have to make up dummy names and email addresses? How does that affect phuctor?
mircea_popescu: and the fucking examples are from colombia and whatnot. tell you what, newspapers here were full of some woman who ran a parillada (cheaapo restaurant) who had her kid kidnapped which the newspapers related to her "flashing lots of money" and "publicly declaring she's making asd much as 10-15k pesos a month" (about $800)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: traditionally marriage started with kidnapping a woman, much like rome started with borrowed sabines and all flocks of sheep ever started from the neighbour's sheep.
phf: trinque: oh you need to restrict ip?
mircea_popescu: now then : it's a major anthropological tradition, with millions of instances yearly and no dollar value, because the dollar is a meaningless measure of value.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it's a fundamental behaviour at the intersextion of sexuality, property and generational change. so... whatevs.
trinque: phf: yeah I mean, WONT STOP HITLER MITM, but I'd prefer putting your IP in the firewall and pg_hba
phf: trinque: sure, put 104.131.72.249 and i have another ip which i need to fish out later
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's gunk from end to end, i'd rather "read" the excrement found in a bona fide chicken coop.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 17:19 fromphuctor: So pasting in a bare modulus would be the easiest, and GPG and SSH would just be fancyness to make the website easy to use
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i started to say how : they miss any sort of comprehension of anything. vaguely alluding to shit they read on reddit dun count for journalism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you read an article about "vehicles" that strictly discussed am i would say the AUTHOR is a pissant not worth the mention. which is what i;m saying here also.
mircea_popescu: similarly to how "programmers" of docker and javascript are pissants not worth the mention.
mircea_popescu: (fwiw, aston martin sells about half a bil a year, but w/e)
mircea_popescu: you catastrophically misunderstand. in no small part because you spend too much time reading idiots.
mircea_popescu: kidnapping is intrinsically a marriage arrangement / property settlement / revenue allocation device all in one.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 17:23 mircea_popescu: and the fucking examples are from colombia and whatnot. tell you what, newspapers here were full of some woman who ran a parillada (cheaapo restaurant) who had her kid kidnapped which the newspapers related to her "flashing lots of money" and "publicly declaring she's making asd much as 10-15k pesos a month" (about $800)
mircea_popescu: kidnapping is generally women and children. kidnapped males are maybe 10%, maybe less.
mircea_popescu: (for a very good reason : you need someone to get the money together)
mircea_popescu: but when it does happen, it happens in cunt-centric societies, such as jewry and gypsy etc.
mircea_popescu: moreover, where wife has the authority to settle estates and dispose of chattels.
mircea_popescu: awww! but ethereum continues to drop ? i thought the usg.mit.mongoloid party had "infinite funds"! !!!
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's been ~100 cases of "kidnapping" reported in buenos aires last year alone. worth maybe about 1mn all together.
mircea_popescu: these resulted in 1) 0 police interventions ; 2) 0 victims ; 3) a few dozen marriages
mircea_popescu: which is what it mostly is. gotta somehow resolve the joint problems of 1. cunt and money flows need to be matched ; 2. age and money flows need to be matched ; 3. cunt flow and age must be matched.
mircea_popescu: there's scarcely any other stable solution possible to all this than "kidnapping"
mircea_popescu: 1. young man is worth X according to young woman, sqrt(X) according to woman's father. 2. man "kidnaps" woman, proving that he's actually worth sqrt(x)+k, where k is the safety margin the father allowed. 3. young couple needs money, and the old faggot owes.
mircea_popescu: 1. woman marries, has no children. this is almost always man's fault, but almost nowhere is this known. 2. woman divorces, marries new man, and has children. old man kidnaps child, wants payment for woman.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly like "unjust enrichment" case in common law. "i gave youy a broken woman turns out she wasn't broken you owe me"
mircea_popescu: another case : fambly does poorly economically, borrows, can't repay. lender goes : either you produce crops or human fat, but you'll produce. so they do. etc.
mircea_popescu: think in terms of nuclear processes. "where are the pressures that create elements heavier than iron ?" "not in this star"
mircea_popescu: you need supernova, stuff like the soviets falling over, to BRIEFLY get such wonders.
mircea_popescu: o yeah, there'll be plenty of that once the us croaks and the power has to be split up.
mircea_popescu: but it won't much last. hard work and competence never lasts.
phf: took me a while to figure out why my pgp key doesn't decrypt
phf: that first deedbot url
phf: went pgpdump on it "this is all sigs, what manner of wizardry is this"
phf: i thought the chinese finally got to me
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usg.mit a further 20mn in the hole. an' the volume keeps on growing lolz.
mircea_popescu: actually most of this is net capital outflows to ~bolivia.
mircea_popescu: paying "good" dollars for fake altcoins. to people who aren't americans, or for that matter taxpayers.
mircea_popescu: this is currently, and for as long as it'll last, a black hole in the usg budget to parallel the f-35 airplane-coffeemaker-submarine combo.
mircea_popescu: looky, yarvin's fast food bill is no cost, he'd be eating it off ebt anyway. similarly whatever similar schmuck's credit card expenses to the tune of 5k we discussed recently.
mircea_popescu: this is mostly turkey-izable dollars, and by the million not by the thousand.
mircea_popescu: and to best understand HOW the turkeyization works, consider the case of argentina, wherein exist both an old cuckold by the name turner as well as a young rapist by the name popescu. now, for whatever imponderable cargo cult reasons (see
http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/ for discussion), the local cunts want "dollars". there's a huge difference between situation 1, where turner has 100, and situation 2, wh
mircea_popescu: ere BOTH turner and popescu have 100 : in the second situation, turner doesn't stand a chance.
mircea_popescu: this allows mp to turkey-ize the fake dollars, by denying a market to the usg agentura.
mircea_popescu: but what's important here is the "turning fake dollars into turkey dolars through market destruction/replacement" mechanism.
mircea_popescu: the "convertibility" of 1:1 turkey dollars to fiat dollars is a very expensive proposition.
mircea_popescu: and this is exactly how soros raped the bank of england, fake convertibilities form circuits.
mircea_popescu: the ~only solution is, obviously, a withdrawal of the usg inside its borders. which has been happening and is accelerating.
mircea_popescu: and which, as an end game, i'm perfectly fine with. who the fuck cares the soviets don't like living in the best countryt in the world. a) i told them to leave and b) if they deserved any better they'd shoot the gestapo.
mircea_popescu: except there's no 2% here, i would be much surprised if a fiat dollar is worth a turkey cent.
mircea_popescu: there's a very simple choice, "push buttons connected to nothing in particular in the hopes that time machine activates and it's 1992 all over again" vs "push buttons connected to nothing in particular in the hopes that something burns down".
mircea_popescu: guy is ~a bankrupt tv star, "all his money" stuff is bs. he's poor as a church mouse, all his capital is imagologic.
trinque: I see him more like the guy who, guts hanging out after a grenade, tries as he might to stuff them back in.
trinque: intentions don't really matter; it's whether he can do anything he's rambling about
trinque: I don't think he's a puppet; I think he's the spray-tanned caricature of something better cultures produce
mircea_popescu: trinque ~nothing he's said makes any sense in any actual perspective. the man's a walking soundbite.
trinque: we're gonna build a wall.. a great wall... so great
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i've not followed closely. maybe someone can produce an item of trump's that's actually actionable in any manner.
mircea_popescu: anyone bored enough to enumerate the "auto-surv stats" bs on that no-fly-list.com page ?
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this nonsense, 4 significant digit ek rate ? "gait" described in what looks like multiple bytes ?
mircea_popescu: there's no good way to distinguish sheer stupidity from randomness. the usg is ~about this dumb irl.
jurov: (it's missing in da url, but it's set in stone now i guess)
trinque: hell I'll give Trump this: he's talked about pulling out of NATO and improving the relationship with Russia.
trinque: doesn't really count as a plan, but it's sanity
BingoBoingo: What the KGB did to American culture is unforgivable
trinque: eh I don't care; the US dicked the USSR in the ass whenever it could too
jurov: thestringpuller: still having probles with coinbr orders?
trinque: so the ass-dicking continueth
deedbot: Twix voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: Twix: what brings you here?
Twix: i don't really know
Twix: i think my bouncer remembered i joined a while ago
Framedragger: asciilifeform: re openpgp format: wait a sec, doesn'tt the 'packet' (as they are called there it seems) containing user info have to be signed or sth?
Framedragger: are you sure your tool will parse an 'artificial' openpgp key generated from public e,N only?
Framedragger: jurov: are you around and if so did you end up finding a way to make this work?
jurov: Framedragger: yes it does
a111: Logged on 2016-05-02 14:24 jurov: if it requires self-signature, then testing ssh keys is out
jurov: you could have tested it yourself in less time than you typed above
mircea_popescu: Framedragger you'd be surprised what is ACTUALLY signed.
jurov: um.. i thought copying and pasting code is for lazy people
jurov: but times have moved on, i see :)
Framedragger: jurov: do you have a script which uses PGPy and generates rfc4880 from e,N, then?
jurov: lol you think the latter is better?
trinque: Framedragger oblivious to any condescending remarks :P << wahahaha
Framedragger: look i just came back from an awesome mountain hike, can't even move my legs, but have just enough energy to re-use someone else's precious hacky code to test the ssh-rsa db entries
Framedragger: jurov: apologies for not spotting the above, and thank you muchly!
Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah so i'll prolly end up dumping 10M ssh keys on phuctor's ass, via its web interface. i wonder if phuctor can handle parallel requests, to a point :P i won't be an asshole about it.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Framedragger that's a silly idea wtf. 99% of the work will be the web interfacing.
Framedragger: alf doesn't have time for much else. but this is just me being restless
mircea_popescu: eh give the man a moment wouldja. it's been what, two days ?
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, it's exciting and all, but really, it'll still be here next week an' no good reason to hussle peoples. nobody was tailgating the shit out of you when you were doing the crawling
mircea_popescu: Framedragger if you're itching for something to sink teeth into,
mircea_popescu: look into how to make a rebased version of any of the 3-4 items that await their rebasing.
mircea_popescu: figuring out how v works should keep you busy for at least a coupla days.
mircea_popescu: wasn't some stuff added by funkenstain and the p guy what was his name
mircea_popescu: that guy eventually had enough of our dumbass an' left huh
mircea_popescu: ~what i'm expecting is that in typical inept overwhelmed imperial bureaucracy fashion, some "ceiling"'s going to get hit and before the red tape can be cut through, the true buyer side'll be actually exposed and visible. a visage so grotesque and horrific as to forever mark itself in the hindbrains of all involved.
mircea_popescu: "poloniex" for instance (about 3/4 of the eth fakery) claims ~6k btc on the buy side. bullcrap.
shinohai: In Venezuela it is called pollon-ex
mircea_popescu: but anywya, it should be very instructive that the whole pretense of "1bn market cap" etc is based on a negligible sum of cash, that's not even truthfully exposed.
deedbot: rdponticelli voiced for 30 minutes.
gribble: Nick 'rdponticelli', with hostmask 'rdponticelli!~quassel@190.103.200.15', is identified as user 'rdponticelli', with GPG key id 007D7A89C6DF7B2D, key fingerprint 1BC479F968C1D01EA388673A007D7A89C6DF7B2D, and bitcoin address 1MdZetHwDt8SJjVZSkG9GrRdJWrXizu9RE
trinque: $gettrust deedbot rdponticelli
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
trinque: rdponticelli: you'll be able to self-voice with a PM to deedbot with $up
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ;;later tell BingoBoingo in other nyooz, saw ad for quite intact row house for 26k-usd. then looked on map - it is across the street from the infamous pharmacy that was epicenter of bmore riot! go, buy ? << But how many people can it quarter compared to Motel?
trinque: oh man, the fatties are lined up on the street here to go to the Trump "rally".
trinque: I suppose they're lucky the "rally" has seating and AC
mircea_popescu: ethereum has officially cost 1% of the total mit endowment.