shinohai: Fast work there mod6 ... isn't even midnight yet >.<
phf: shinohai: gj, in ru we say "хомячки закопошились" that is "hamsters are stirring up"
shinohai: lol. I haven't thought of hamsters in ages.
mod6: it's about 01:30 gmt tho
deedbot: I only respond to gifts of booze and women.
pete_dushenski: i too, deedbot, apparently respond well to gifts of booze. and how.
pete_dushenski: just when i thought i'd be working my way up in years and find myself unable to handle the rigours of hard partying, i wake up sunday morning to find that i feel bloody fantastic and sore only from having worked out the day before.
pete_dushenski: doubt he'll answer directly, but let there be no mistake that he's been intentionally directed to that little dig.
pete_dushenski: fucken eh this greek yogurt is the bomb. screw all the 0% fat hippies. 11% or fuck off.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo props for being so on your game lately. every time i've seen something remotely bitcoin-related elsewhere on the net lately, i see that qntra already had it covered. liking the terseness atm too.
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mircea_popescu: maybe credits should be its own entry on the top bar ? minor point tho
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:50 asciilifeform: for instance, even mircea_popescu does not seem to be able to find me a phuctor box that will stay up
mircea_popescu: that obama is going around in cheap suits and gets more crowded at dinner than your average 1916 workman is the fucking criteria.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 15:56 diana_coman: life costs quite a lot in itself and the more elaborate you make it basically, the higher the cost, of course
mircea_popescu: for all the "cost to us", seems teh cost to you is so far minimal eh! just point an' laugh!
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473708 << note that renaissance happened roughly speaking in the sense that a bunch of bloggers, pico & co, who had developed both their taste and knowledge in a blogging sense strictly stumbled upon a cache of "things you call books today much in the way you'll call them blogs shorty - they were rolls though" which held their own ;
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 17:45 phf: there will be no great library of tmsr, but on the other hand no accumulation and exchange of amulets and fetishes of knowledge, because the last can be subverted in all kinds of ways we've seen already.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 17:49 phf: pre-80s hard bounds as a source of knowledge is a here and now sort of source, same way as pre-2005 amds, etc. not only is it a limited source, it is also unstable. a year from now, we're going to see all the fullstack developers switching to "classics library", and buying up last-known-prints on ebay for +++ bezzle dollars on ebay
mircea_popescu: you can't find a book that's not informed by either a christian or socialist notion of theosophy. neither of these are intellectually acceptable, or even digestible. the dumb will have to be washed off books before they may be instruments of human thought again. asciilifeform does not feel this because he insists on only reading an (insignificant) fraction, math is math eh.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: the fate of humanity is to be this endless rat in an endless baited maze. we can't, even as we sit and mourn the dead muroid next, stuff own gullet with the same fucking pellets, now can we.
mircea_popescu: western civilisation died (again) because of its shitty books (again). not in spite of them, not unrelatedly, nothing else - BECAUSE the books were bad. it's poisoned and killed us and that comes with a fucking smithing the likes of which has never been seen
mircea_popescu: not, at least, since THE LAST FUCKING TIME THEY DID THIS.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 17:55 asciilifeform: and yes, the ~cultural institutions~ that produced my library, are dead as dodo.
mircea_popescu: "the lamp's not dead, just the mains is". mmmkay. long live the cold lamp.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 18:05 asciilifeform: and i imagine it must suck to be the owner of a real airplane landed on cargo cult island, it will promptly be ripped apart for parts to decorate straw planes the moment you look away
mircea_popescu: if you knew your plane would end up on cargo cult island anywya, would you bother with anything serious ?
mircea_popescu: that's how cars ended up with a dollop of hot plastic on top. "suv"s my foot. it's just ldks, for "locals don't know shit"
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473729 << this was so common in romania (for some reason romanians were even MORE crazy book-militant than the ru), that a) there was a state-sponsored, official "books" edition/complete library (called "biblioteca pentru toti"). cheap paperbacks, fixed format made to fit preexisting standard shelving, decent antologies of reasonable titles. this was like you know, the prole version of "it's
☝︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: ok, you may live, you have books". some were even read actually.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 18:05 phf: no, but i've seen some extensive libraries in apparatchik homes that i know for a fact nobody read
mircea_popescu: and b) all sorts of "required" items for the you know, "upper crust" which every aparatchick aspired to parvene to. they were rather meticulous, effectual sorts of people, and well informed, and consequently if you visited (which was common) and someone asked, "so what books does he have ?" you'd answer "everything." and they'd know what you meant.
mircea_popescu: i don't think they had actually figured out by the end of the 80s that "everything" is a bad sort of books to have.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 18:09 phf: apparently those things are really expensive to run. i used to go on potomac with Georgetown liesure boat crowd, and short, 1-2 hour runs, would cost ~~3k in gas, and that was 8-10 years ago
shinohai: ;;later tell pete_dushenski I'll see if BB can correct said oversight, thanks!
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 05:05 ben_vulpes: so pediwikia claims that du chatelet is actually the postulator of the total energy constraint?
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 17:38 asciilifeform: read like mircea_popescu wrath fodder
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 18:00 asciilifeform: trinque: the folks payin' $10k/mo for a 1room flat ?
mircea_popescu: when communism ended they gave the herd "coupons" to "privatize" the various busnesses by "subscription". the process of "subscribing" these coupons made nobody an investor.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 19:45 asciilifeform: i never really liked the idea of a hash.
Framedragger: though a "hash-free variant" appears to be possible, so maybe there's that; need to check.
Framedragger: (their "proof of security" assumes the hash function is truly one-way)
Framedragger: (heh they even suggest sha-1 for the hash function, though this is from an olden paper, so.)
Framedragger: (their "hybrid implementation" assumes a good symmetric-key cipher..)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah i've got to that section, interesting, gonna slowly parse it
Framedragger: any particular preferences on your part asciilifeform ?
Framedragger: that's fair. ok. i assume you don't think much of OAEP (i see it mentioned in the logz but only just)
Framedragger: yeah i know the latter, i thought there were additional reasons for preferring c-s here. ok.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 10:30 mircea_popescu: you can't find a book that's not informed by either a christian or socialist notion of theosophy. neither of these are intellectually acceptable, or even digestible. the dumb will have to be washed off books before they may be instruments of human thought again. asciilifeform does not feel this because he insists on only reading an (insignificant) fraction, math is math eh.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 10:56 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473729 << this was so common in romania (for some reason romanians were even MORE crazy book-militant than the ru), that a) there was a state-sponsored, official "books" edition/complete library (called "biblioteca pentru toti"). cheap paperbacks, fixed format made to fit preexisting standard shelving, decent antologies of reasonable titles. this was like you know, the prol
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 11:26 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474078 << notrly, lost interest after unknown addressed "her ceo" as "jeremy". they're obviously misrepresenting their private relationship, and i have no interest in participating in the banal scenes of fat anglo derps.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 11:27 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474087 << looky here, people depositing their "10k usd coupon" from the employer with real estate bezzletron aren't buying anything or paying anything.
Framedragger: well systems which assume "worst case" assumption vs. "random instances" of problem are perhaps better. see end of that answer
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 10:50 mircea_popescu: "the lamp's not dead, just the mains is". mmmkay. long live the cold lamp.
shinohai: Maybe a more ptent solution of chloroform is in order.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's the doctrine, somehow, no matter how badly they get battered they can't give the shit up.
Framedragger actually liked when reading some marx, at least volume 1 of das kapital. lenin can be discarded, save for learning from history or whatever (or that).
mircea_popescu: anyway, thought asciilifeform'd appreciate the story, if not known already.
mircea_popescu: one of the lulziest cases in the history of the us district kangaroocourts.
trinque: huh, must be a timeout thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy's been all over everything cia for a coupla decades.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 18:05 BingoBoingo: She's a transplant to the bay area failing to afford it. Likely a female to mayo transgender with asperzorsations of leaving Ohio behind.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 18:33 asciilifeform: chick is 25 yo
Framedragger: why in the fuck did she move to SF given the rent prices. this is truly perplexing.
trinque: because it was her dream to ...
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 18:50 asciilifeform: for instance, i'm about to buy moar display. it will be an lcd. but if mircea_popescu buys another display, it won't be lcd, it'll be a thing where a gurl flips pixels manually.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger nobody gives these kids any clear signals. their great-grandparents went "bitch, you're gonna marry the first guy with a pulse and make me two nephews!" which was maybe excessive.
mircea_popescu: but today, the parents go "oh, everything, blablabla". this is not useful.
mircea_popescu: so the moment they pick the vaguest of signals, they're there.
Framedragger: yeah, i've been prone to this, too, but luckily by applying some "heuristic human computronium" a.k.a. common sense no truly stupid tragedies happened.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 18:52 ben_vulpes: a friend of mine recently broke up with his girl of 4+ years, and i realized during conversation about his new dating adventures and the kinds of women he was encountering that i would have patience for approximately zero reeducation at this point in my life.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 19:01 asciilifeform: young chix are programmable, they would just as happily 'great is the prophet muhammad' if born elsewhere.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 19:01 trinque: because I am here
mircea_popescu: "i am here ; therefore". and which it is why it needs absolutely no reflashing either asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: if tomorrow muhammad offers a gram more petrocheese / unit time than usg.yelp.ceo.my, she's gone.
mircea_popescu: and make no mistake about it, she'll pen diatribes to the mujahedeen about how tamara down the street got two inches more silk headdress or w/e
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 19:01 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i enjoy the company of adults, not children
mircea_popescu: and to teh gestapo, and in general, she's got a vocal vulvular valvule an' is not affraid to use it!
mircea_popescu: notrly. old means many things, and here means "no longer sexually interesting to men"
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474179 << nothing could be further from teh truth. with some regularity mp has to punish multi-year supposed experts for basic training items such as "who the fuck said you may leave". the equivalent'd be a research lab where one has to explain the criteria of divisibility with 2 and 5 to the research leaders.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 19:04 asciilifeform: eh iirc mircea_popescu flies these in and reprogramms them to spec in days.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 19:07 asciilifeform: hey, when the man is asleep ~somebody~'s gotta proffer the pineapple!111
mircea_popescu: i already shudder at the thought of what my statue'll look like when i'm asleep.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 19:09 phf: none do, a working machine ~always~ has signs of its master's works
mircea_popescu: no-serviceable-parts-inside hammer still works acceptably for all manner of people not making it their business to do complicated things with metals in surfaces
mircea_popescu: for one thing, it's always hard to get past the little voice whispering at one that he's important, but : what makes you think you'd know what to adjust ?
mircea_popescu: were you in adjust school ? where, war ? killed enough people to now known how they tick ? or where exactly, that was true, and truthful, and you paid attention.
mircea_popescu: well, yeah, and plenty of girls have the scars to show it.
mircea_popescu: odd that this doesn't occur to you as the obvious answer to the whole "gold brick" bs. "oh, why doesn't mouse go down THIS tunnel!" "because there's a barb at the entrance and it stepped on it" "what barb ?!?!" "there" "oh, that ? that's just a barb!"
trinque: there's nothing to envy about being owned.
mircea_popescu: and there the problem starts : given the same sack of whatever pounds' worth selected from the city dump, two different people will not make the same item, same order "lists of assets".
trinque: asciilifeform: who would ask them? that's the point
mircea_popescu: trinque ~same as there's to envy about having been born again or w/e, having found one's religion, calling, life, hapiness, w/e.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no. a market exists when people make the same lists but order them differently.
mircea_popescu: when they don't make the same lists a market's impossible, which is why britain must "civilize" the world before it can be a "trade empire".
mircea_popescu: before it manages that, it's a shitty island on the side of the great faith empire of a man on whose dominions sun never sets.
mircea_popescu: what was said was that for as long as you value the S for a, worth z, and for b, worth x, whereas she values the sack FOR THE SAME a, worth y and for the same b, worth x, then therer can be a market.
mircea_popescu: but without those meetings of the minds, there isn't a market, just chaos.
mircea_popescu: well so sure, but then the market isn't "a magical solution from god for all the crazy dangerous shit i don't want to have to deal with".
mircea_popescu: and for the things where market - enjoy your corn syrup, the market chosen solution.
mircea_popescu: let's walk together through the history of this fine "market" thing, if we shall. so, it solved "the problem of feeding people", with hfcs. nice. and before that, it solved "the problem of trading in china". with opium. and before that...
mircea_popescu: a market is a poor substitute of either foreign policy or governmental theology.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform would you believe that i quit, never to return, an assembly of esteemable finance heads when in congress they didn't agree, nor couldn't understand, why exactly "to split any item to two parties : one cuts, the other picks" is not only equitable, but the only equitable method so much so any other method is derived from it, and equitable only in as much as it's similar.
mircea_popescu: that there's your market, entirely. one cuts, antoher picks. it only works in that context.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what the fuck they do to them in school anymore.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 19:36 asciilifeform: for instance, i used to be able to read the log by hitting 'reload'
a111: Logged on 2016-05-29 14:21 mircea_popescu: and that finally there is absolutely no reason to implement arbitrary division in the machine, nor does such idiocy exist in nature ; that the correct machine representation of numbers is FRACTIONS not fucking "decimals", and that computers that natively support bignum up to the size of memory and execute gcd in hardware aren't either particularly hard to make nor their absence to date excusable.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 19:46 asciilifeform: this is 'minsky's dark room' all over again.
mircea_popescu: the same sort of thinking informs it everywhere, and it's that sight most loathed in nature, the mental squid of an engineer!
mircea_popescu: anyway, how's reload not work ? i been using it unknowingly ;/
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 19:50 Framedragger: aha, then i guess you don't really enjoy the fact that gpg uses aes for session key actually? :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh that's how you meant. i just reload a current page, yeah.
shinohai: It's ok for the USof A to collectively punish people, but not N Korea, etc ?
mircea_popescu: so what's the logic, "this guy pissed us off, his FAMILY therefore must not get reimbursed for losing teh means of support etc" ?
shinohai: This will be attempt to set said precedent
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except the life insurance payout is not the guy's.
mircea_popescu: o it's pretty thick, "terrorists must not be permitted to provide".
shinohai: Ah yes, child is in custody of CPS in California.
shinohai: Will be raised in re-education camp
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 23:33 shinohai: Judging from the flurry of messages I'm getting I think I triggered someone.
mircea_popescu can already picture the kid in question, 19 yo pakistani with a few online freelancing projects under his belt "spreading out" etc.
shinohai: Final count was like 13 messages and 5 PM's just because I pointed out tmsr did it first. Props to deedbot
shinohai: The best was the `no 'Web of Trust' needed` comment. He refused to read the relevant trilema article that I sent him obviously.
mircea_popescu: moreover, you heat on a .5 kwh/sq foot basis ?! this article is too mysterious for me.
mircea_popescu: so electricity is like, <4 cent / kwh commercial in alberta ? who the hell knew, that's pretty good mining pricing neh ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and so the matter settled : what started on may 25th as a slight disparity between the usg faux bitcoin exchanges trading at 448 (bitfinex isn't inclued here, having nothing to do with bitcoin altogether) while btcchina was reporting 455 (and 2/3 of the total volume), eventually peaked out at 510/580 (with btcchina still doing 2/3 of the volume) and eventually settled at 530/540. the moral that "you should have yielded rather
mircea_popescu: than fought, yelps" is yet again obvious, and for the hundredeth or so time will pass unheeded, i guess.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 14:02 Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474264 << that's nice, but doesn't the beloved cramer-shoup also use hashes? their scheme, to quote, "requires a universal one-way hash function"
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 14:09 asciilifeform: (and i will add that no public implementation wrote it correctly, either.)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: merely point out that the "root layer of the universe structure" may be a blocker on this bug. but the root layer has needed a paddlin' anyway..
mircea_popescu: so some officious schmuck wants me to read "the section on wikipedia" where a set of snakeoil salesmen discuss their imaginary snake oil properties ? the glbgbblglbvrhl!
Framedragger: so wikipedia sux and sometimes you need to glance at it, the way a hasty businessman glances at a dubitable street food stand in a foreign city. sometimes the temporary "before pgp xamarin something" solution is to glance at that damn wikipedia. what of it
mircea_popescu: Framedragger chiefly, that it isn't. i posit that nothing good or useful can come of some kid at rutger's self importantly answering questions on a website because some 17 yo kid who thinks himself too cool for his ohio highschool asked a dumb question with the usual smattering of wikipedia his teachers usually A him for.
mircea_popescu: "Note the "random instances" part. For a concrete example, we might assume that no polynomial-time algorithm exists for factoring the product of two random n-bit primes with some good probability. This is very different (less safe) from assuming that no polynomial-time algorithm exists for always factoring all products of two random n-bit primes."
mircea_popescu: a) not concrete b) what "some good" c) he mixed up all/never.
mircea_popescu: but yes, what he's trying to copy was originally correct : the problem with cryptosystems is that even if they "reference" an actual hard problem, they don't get to stand in for the fucking problem itself! they pick a case, and we've no good hardness measurers for mere cases.
Framedragger: i don't think 'c)' obtains? no mix-up there. otherwise, sure, blergh re. a) and b)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it should have read " This is very different (less safe) from assuming that no polynomial-time algorithm exists for any factoring of any products of two random n-bit primes."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the even more hilarious bit is that there just aren't THAT MANY primes to make different keys of a specified size.
Framedragger: hm. *this* (i.e.: that "no polynomial-time algorithm exists for factoring the product of two random n-bit primes with some good probability") *is* less safe as compared to the safer assumption that "no polynomial-time algorithm exists for always factoring all products of two random n-bit primes". this is a much safer assumption cf. to the one you interpreted it to mean, no? (no baiting this time - just honestly confused). but eh, may
mircea_popescu: are there more than possible combinations of 6 character passwords ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform distinct prime pairs that make a 4kb key
mircea_popescu: point reimains, quite far from "flat keyspace" in this particular sense.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger : he says : "1. Assume no X exists for F-ing any A's with b ; 2. Assume no X exists for F-ing all A's with b ; 1 is safer than 2." and he is wrong.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 14:36 asciilifeform: or what, the incas read marx and lenin before building their kolhoz ?
mircea_popescu: marx needs a name like my turds need individual id papers.
mircea_popescu: they're still dead, irrespective how inconvenient that may turn out to be!
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 14:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu apparently needs a better killing jar ? his butterflies are still flyin'
mircea_popescu: "She does stink and she should quit. But I don't want it to be because of me. It should be the traditional route; years of rejections and failures till she's spit out the bottom of the porn industry."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: We consider the possibility of basing one-way functions on NP-Hardness; that is, we study possible reductions from a worst-case decision problem to the task of average-case inverting a polynomial-time computable function f. Our main findings are the following two negative results:
mircea_popescu: If given y one can efficiently compute |f^-1(y)| then the existence of a (randomized) reduction of NP to the task of inverting f implies that coNP ⊆ AM. Thus, it follows that such reductions cannot exist unless coNP ⊆ AM.
mircea_popescu: For any function f, the existence of a (randomized) non-adaptive reduction of NP to the task of average-case inverting f implies that coNP ⊆ AM.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: this is super unimportant but under your analysis, he says that 2 is safer than 1. you claim that 1 is safer than 2. should be inverted, methinks. (the "(less safe)" refers to 1, not to 2.)
Framedragger: s/you claim that/you claim that he claims that/
mircea_popescu: yes, but if one proposes a f, doing the inverse just to see what happens is a good approach.
mircea_popescu: fine, state it like this : when someone proposes a hash, see if you can find a y for which the reverse is trivial.
a111: Logged on 2014-06-11 00:48 asciilifeform: 'Sacco and Vanzetti came up with an entirely different solution to the slow-MMU problem, one which if I do say so myself was less imaginative than mine, but both more general and more practical. They published theirs in a real conference, received much acclaim for it, and I believe patented it, started a so-called company and eventually sold it to Microsoft.'
a111: Logged on 2014-06-11 00:49 asciilifeform: 'Which, in fact, I had. Because I'd essentially told him his research was fraudulent. The fact that my research was also fraudulent, and that neither of ours was particularly noteworthy in that regard, did not matter. And why should it? Others' crimes cannot excuse your own.'
a111: Logged on 2014-06-11 00:49 asciilifeform: 'My Navrozov moment, of course, was when I approached one of the two - Sacco, I think - and attempted to have an intellectual discussion of this realization. The story is basically the same as Navrozov's, so it would be boring to repeat, but basically I came away with the feeling that I'd told someone his Sicilian grandmother liked to get drunk and fuck her own goats.'
a111: Logged on 2014-06-11 00:49 asciilifeform: 'At some point during this period, however, I realized that the entire problem was a complete and utter pseudo-problem. ... So I am very confident that neither of these techniques, neither mine nor Sacco and Vanzetti's, has ever been used in practice. There is no need for them, there has never been any need for them, and there will never be any need for them. And this was quite obvious in 1993.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so here's what i'm thinking : obviously the equivocation between "NP hard" in the sense of "it is not proven this set is empty of NP hard edges" and NP hard in the sense of "this set CONSISTS of NP-hard elements" is bad for crypto.
mircea_popescu: but now take something like... an irrational numeration base. take for instance something like (1+sqrt(5))/2, which is... practically binary!
mircea_popescu: well, it does as much as guarantee if your string is finite you're operating on an irrational.
mircea_popescu: you recall earlier discussion re summation of irrationals lemme dig it up
mircea_popescu: nono, we were discussing hard problems and i pointed out the russian guy with the addition
mircea_popescu: we went through a bunch of examples in one sitting, but i'm not finding it nao
a111: Logged on 2016-02-10 01:34 mircea_popescu: or to get back to exponential space problems : "decide first order logic propositions with real numbers, adition and comparison" is a very hard problem.
mircea_popescu: yes, but as long as the notation is in an irrational base,
mircea_popescu: we do have in point of fact guaranteed irrational numbers.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't seem there;s going to be so much cheating here.
mircea_popescu: admittedly my thinking being that it's time to stop trying to be clever and "cheat", seeing how the only cheated to date is self.
mircea_popescu: i dunno the whole thing. the observation however stands that just as there's a way to verify a number ISNT irrational, by the same way in the same manner for the same reason the reverse can also be verified. and there are indeed very hard (as it is the case here, harder than np-complete) problems to do with such numbers, arbitrarily chosen.
mircea_popescu: there seems to me there's a field to graze upon here ; without any such sillyness as "basis is cipher"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the life policy carries a stated beneficiary << AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA Welcome to USSA. Beneficiary gets life insurance policy if they took it out on deceased themselves, but otherwise in USistani brokeness many times must first pass "DOes estate have expenses test"
mircea_popescu: getting back to base phi : two machine words together, 64 bit each, encode a huge chunk of cannonical phinary numbers ; and the machine wouldn't even have to know that's what it's doing.
mircea_popescu: writing a cannonizer and an algebraic operator on this shouldn't be impossible.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's well defined neh ? phi + 1 = phi^2 etc.
phf: asciilifeform: yeah, it's in backlog, i need to make a case-insensitive version of KMP
mircea_popescu: "The vulnerability further bypassed Microsoft Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit (EMET) protections. No comments from Microsoft were available at the time of this article." for maximal lulz.
gribble: mats was last seen in #trilema 1 week, 4 days, 20 hours, 49 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <mats> fun fact, canto people typically have soup with every meal
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's actually in the logs. mike_c had some theories about bitbet and how it could be better, we tried it out, on the conway cell thing. he made a very pretty looking game out of it.
mircea_popescu: yeah, it wasn't bad really. i guess in the end didn't gather enough momentum and we agreed to end it ; but not without regret
mircea_popescu: i recall the fellow not digesting my pointing out to him that his calls, opinions ideas etc on some topic he had nothing to do weren't interesting ; dunno what exactly the adherence was. maybe this, yeah.
Framedragger: "They were bored to death even with their own thoughts and dreams, bored with the attack they expected momentarily. They were bored of being bored, and too sick and tired of being bored to even consider not being boring. It's just not possible to do, it exceeds human capacity. Turns out that when confronted with the meaningless pointlessness of endlessness, the inadequacy of the muchly lauded human faculty of creativity becomes readily a
mod6: asciilifeform: awesome find, i'll take a closer look at it tonight for sure.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> including the uncommon mircea_popescuine one. << sweet
mod6: ok cool, any info we can get on the thing, the better.
mod6: that for the reset button then?
mod6: oh nm. thought they were jumpers until i zoomed in
mod6: next to the ethernet port chassis, the black thing looked like a jumper. the only jumper i see is next to C149
mod6: anyway, this seems easier as one could just rip the drive out, load up the full orchastra on the disk, drop it back in and you're ready to go.
mod6: ah, ok, wasnt sure if any flashing needed to happen
mod6: yeah, sure. arm deal.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> the two SEPARATE leaks that we identified will have to die. << werd
mod6: <+asciilifeform> (recall, block index is RETARDEDLY kept resident in ram, being first leak) << yeah, getting these into `t' for the trb project will be a big main priority once i get tbot deployed.
mod6: ah sure, looks like the same board.
mod6: whats the approx cost on a deal like this? $100?
mod6: asciilifeform: ahhh
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 20:25 Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474528 << goddamnit: read article; fail to parse word ('edulcorously'); realise only two google results are (1) ben_vulpes uttering the word, and (2) this trilema artcile (the following day); end up checking roots of "edulcorate" (make something more acceptable or palatable)
http://imgur.com/85Iy0el a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 20:35 asciilifeform: so for 2x the cost, you get ~2x the juice.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 20:53 asciilifeform: (i am about to snap one, as soon as camera charges)
a111: Logged on 2016-05-30 00:59 mircea_popescu: next ones.
mircea_popescu: do you know why there's no alf in russia, alf ? because they shot all of you. for this reason.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 22:33 ben_vulpes: he also got the order wrong
Framedragger: and quite possibly run by a chinese mining cartel to boot
ben_vulpes: i was discussing implementation minutae of a timing project with my pm today
ben_vulpes: said something along the lines of "and i have completely punted on the issue of testing whether or not events happen in the right timezone for the user. the testing strategy is to set the user tz to utc, the system tz to utc, and make assertions about when events fire."
ben_vulpes: "because i do not have time before our delivery deadline to figure out the millisecond offset between utc and n number of other timezones, depending on how thoroughly we want to test this."
ben_vulpes: "much less figure out how daylight savings time factors into the problem. and how in which timezone."
ben_vulpes: pm physically recoils, "jesus i didn't even think about that"
ben_vulpes: aight maybe some naggum as well. but there are extended discussions of political time in the logs.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 22:34 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474921 << did i miss the part where those 20 lines were all prefixed with turns out mp's ideas about the evolution of the world were right ; and mine wrong ; and i really should chillax on the paranoia score ?