mircea_popescu: omaigerd you can't imagine how butthurt argentina press is over trump winning
mircea_popescu: lol @alfie introducing actually signed messages to the supposed "seclist". which is like... the first time ever the string "sha 512" even appeared in that archive i guess ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that "boatoshi" thing has a future methinks :D
shinohai: ^ one way to keep secrets from leaking
mod6: General update: for the last 4 days or so, have been just working out some of the kinks in `t', getting it ready to send to the list.
mod6: Shouldn't be tooo much longer. Salud!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so keybase set more or less done w/o incident ?
mircea_popescu: ah, no Known Moduli: 2018943. vs 2mn earlier today... so it ~is~ actually doing more like 20-30k/24 hrs ?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-05-06 02:06 mircea_popescu: ah, no Known Moduli: 2018943. vs 2mn earlier today... so it ~is~ actually doing more like 20-30k/24 hrs ?
☟︎ deedbot: dooglus voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, seems you were right, keybase moduli aren't particularly rotten
mircea_popescu: search me how the fuck they managed to get rng in js, but w/e.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: felipelalli1983 so how about that dilma huh. they're wringing her neck they are.
felipelalli: Hi mircea_popescu ! yes, you are right!! ahahh. It's incredible that she doesn't renounce. That kind of people is always a dog with a bone.
felipelalli: in the day of first and most important impeachment election the people celebrates more than World Cup final!
felipelalli: everybody watching like the World Cup final.
felipelalli: I had an issue in my connection. Did you guys receive my lasts 4 messages?
mircea_popescu: oh and maduro is besieging the parliament lol. pretty lulzy south american spring
felipelalli: I don't understand how they can survive with that hyperinflation
felipelalli: but, to be honest he is still yet, but only with really poor people
mircea_popescu: felipelalli actually lots of the runners working for people here are venezuelan chix.
mircea_popescu: well, ran out of venezuela one way or another, needed a job.
felipelalli: ah! are you living in Argentina, I have forgot that!
felipelalli: at least they didn't come to Brazil yet! maybe because we're very bad too. everything is collapsing, as in the book Atlas Shrugged
felipelalli: and in Argentina the new president is really better or same shit?
felipelalli: the people in Brazil say the new president is God comparing to that woman.
mircea_popescu: he's competent, economically. better, what's that. he's a faithful usg muppet, working to make the place more in line with washington's interest.
☟︎ felipelalli: I was only once in Argentina, in a Bitcoin event
mircea_popescu: most annoying dilemma, do you want to live on a farm, or do you want to live in a republic of farm animals ?!
mircea_popescu: fuckall, i'd much prefer living in a city among civilised folk. but this isn't on offer.
mircea_popescu: anyway. he's better, he's turning the republic of cattle into rancho cucamonga.
felipelalli: I am a voluntaryist, and we are "splited" about the situation here.
felipelalli: because Dilma made a lot of voluntaryists!!
mircea_popescu: new politicians. well... guess what, the new politicians are hungry.
felipelalli: the protesters are conservatives, they are just "anti-communist"
mircea_popescu: seems these communists were really very savagely capitalistic though
mircea_popescu: stealing from "the state" to make one's own fortune is how capitalism always starts.
felipelalli: actually they are not personally "so rich" like they could be. They are sick, they just want to impose their communist agenda
mircea_popescu: anyway. i don't think anyone actulaly understands what they're doing or knows why.
mircea_popescu: i bet if you torture dilma in like a medieval dungeon to tell you the truth, why the fuck she did it,
mircea_popescu: she'll be like "uh i dunno... i thought it's what's done... everyone else was doing it"
felipelalli: I think the extreme left is going to disappear for some years, at least.
mircea_popescu: bitch... you're the fucking president, your life philosophy is "hurr, i'll just do what everyone does" ?
mircea_popescu: eh, the extreme left consists of "herp, i'm really lazy, things should happen". that's nevere going anywhere.
felipelalli: but no one of these rights actually really works lol
felipelalli: the people here are really stupid too, including the rich ones.
mircea_popescu: do you know what's the difference between a guy from brazil and a guy from kentucky ?
felipelalli: the rich are anti-comm but they are more "statits" than anyone. They really love a strong strong State
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Where's the Albert wildfire piece. I think you already know what the hook should be...
mircea_popescu: the guy from kentucky has half a dozen broken cars on plastic foil in front of his house ; the guy from brazil has half dozen broken rights on plastic foil in front of his house.
felipelalli: BingoBoingo, I have translated that news to Brazilian fb group and they loved the "Boatoshi" hahahh
mircea_popescu: hm, i wonder if a portuguese qntra section'd be worth it.
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, maybe not yet, not so many active people here, and most are really stupid yet. They are learning yet what Bitcoin actually is.
felipelalli: they are masochists, not in BSDM sense lol
felipelalli: some of them says Bitcoin will fatally dies because is "too old", like an old car.
felipelalli: but they don't understand money is better if older.
felipelalli: but with this incredible fall of ETH they are just quiet now hahah
felipelalli: at least they stop to talk about that shit of big blocks hahah
felipelalli: they finally understand that the block aways tends to be full of rubish. Just pay 0.01 $ more and you are free from the tx mud.
felipelalli: I think Theymos made the right choice to censor (what lead to a split) the subreddit. Now /r/btc is filled with a bunch of derps; it's amazing how they attract each other! <amazing company>
mircea_popescu: myeah. contrary to fiatista ideology, the only thing large groups of "people themselves" do is collapse on their own shitweight.
mircea_popescu: no but there's this thing "oh, you want more users" , "oh what people say/think matters"
felipelalli: it's about how the BR HuE destroy everything ahaha
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a111: Logged on 2016-05-06 04:00 mircea_popescu: search me how the fuck they managed to get rng in js, but w/e.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-06 04:46 mircea_popescu: he's competent, economically. better, what's that. he's a faithful usg muppet, working to make the place more in line with washington's interest.
mircea_popescu: trinque what are your thoughts re importing into deedbot the ENTIRE key db as owned by phuctor ?
mircea_popescu: on some level it seems one shouldn't be precluded in rating a key merely because the owner of that key failed to register it with teh republic.
punkman: you don't have to import it into gpg
mircea_popescu: seems to me it'd be a tree, 40 deep. whats teh big deal
trinque: mircea_popescu: I'm for it.
trinque: asciilifeform: how big is the whole key archive?
mircea_popescu: trinque asciilifeform has some sort of point, BUT, i think it should be approachable. needs some cranium grease put into it all.
trinque: postgresql can probably handle that
mircea_popescu: in any case, the driver for this thought process in my head is, believe it or not, the messing around with phf re beefy few days ago. seems a deeply valuable learning experience, to be exposed to large sets in this sense.
trinque: I'm gonna need to upgrade the box, but that's been on my list for a while anyway
trinque: it heads towards deedbot being a keyserver too, already sorta is with $key
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah. the whole point is to duplicate work.
mircea_popescu: (in retrospect, from my very instructive republican experience, im discovering that the principal job of management actually is to decide when to and when not to duplicate work. it's a much deeper point than it seems.)
mircea_popescu: depends. if the point is the end result, then yes. if the point is the person doing it, then no.
mircea_popescu: note that ~all us "Science and Engineering" consists of young men doing homework in a poorly managed, ineptly driven manner collectively known as "phd"
mircea_popescu: nobody else does anything. perhaps for structural reasons.
mircea_popescu: andre "what happens when enemy gets wind" 1. this is a very valuable canary for such a wonderous change in the enemy ; 2. time offers a natural breaking point, we're protected well by the configuration of the field.
mircea_popescu: "we will have all keys prior to T, and add new ones on the basis of X spamtrap only"
mircea_popescu: yes, but for instance i want to be able to nuke some keys of some people who will not come here if it kills them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the matter is not what the derp uses it for. the matter is that i want to mark specific, extant and known items.
trinque: asciilifeform: key still identifies a point in time if it produced any signed material
mircea_popescu: recall, the WoT is NOT!!! about the user in question. but about his deeds and their reflection. only.
mircea_popescu: there's also that lobe, as distant and sf-ish as it may sound.
mircea_popescu: i don't currently see much value in someone bringing old unknown key rather than freshly made.
mircea_popescu: pity usagi is not here to generate some keys for later. iirc he had a service to generate long rsa keys for people.
mircea_popescu: you're not only a stakebunny, but also a total stake slut! keep changing them.
mircea_popescu: anyway, perhaps the next one's satisfactorily ribbed or what.
☟︎ jurov: oh, how comes no one is doing vanity rsa keys generation already?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but he has a point, the derp brain is memetic not rational. "the x of y"
jurov: asciilifeform: i was in jest, but ty
a111: Logged on 2016-05-06 15:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, perhaps the next one's satisfactorily ribbed or what.
mircea_popescu: do you tell them during interview that a) everything you agree to will have to be presented in writing ; b) you will not do x y or z and soo n ?
mircea_popescu: lol. "the sewage goes into this pond i live in" "you need to live in a better pond" "didn't we discuss the whole i'm not walking on land again thing???"
mircea_popescu: cuz this "i want FOR X to Y" ain't a want, it's a voodoo.
mircea_popescu: it's the #1 symptom of esl-ism, and as unbefitting as it's unseemly.
mircea_popescu: that's a red herring. aptly displayed on my terminal in red font.
mircea_popescu: that's what you get for being a terminal blessed with the daily touch of a gomided such as myself!
mircea_popescu: "who the fuck are you ?!" "TREMBLE BEFORE ME! FOR I AM TEH GOMIDED OF LYSDEXIA!"
gribble: Error: We broke The Google!
mircea_popescu: yeah speaking of which, anyone of the botmasters, young or old, wanna make a gribble replacement ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: which commands?
mircea_popescu: it should do ;;calc and ;;google and ;;curl |sed|awk|grep.
trinque: crap the latter to wotpaste?
mircea_popescu: as to the last one : that's it, one call to curl passed through whatever chain of awk/sed/grep
trinque: awk can shell out; probably dangerous
trinque: wuh oh. freenode sandstorm again?
mircea_popescu: trinque sed and grep then ? or just parse out their shellout calls ?
trinque: yeah, not to be a broken record, but had we a gossipd, I'd just give people I trust access to dangerous tools.
trinque: as with mike_c and postgresql
trinque: I like making use of the WoT just fine
mircea_popescu: so something like "anyone voiced can calc and google, gotta be in lordsheep to curl ?"
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mircea_popescu: and the sucuri bs also fucks up the url by lowercasing it
mircea_popescu: "experts" in sticking their finger up their own ass and tasting it afterwards.
mircea_popescu: the part where you assault, arson, rape and pillage is also required.
mircea_popescu: the third party that's interested is only interested in raping them, and generally does not believe in employees.
mircea_popescu: had you said something THEY COULD HAVE USED, they would have. as you said nothing that makes them any better, it never happened.
mircea_popescu: and this is exactly how it goes with "we just want to ask you a few questions", which is why you don't talk to the police, and everything else.
mircea_popescu: nobody is going to go "oh i am so impressed by the unexpected arguments this young chap has espoused on the internet, i'm going to now change my priors" anymore than you're going to go "o hey, the irc has convinced me, i am now finally moving out of the us". people've made their life choices, and that's that, reality exists only to either promote their personal stupidity or otherwise be ignored as best it can.
mircea_popescu: but age and poverty better predictors than intelligence, for that behaviour
mircea_popescu: intelligence is counterpredictive, and education counterpredictive^3.5
mircea_popescu: certainly useless in any individual case, which is the bane of statistics.
mircea_popescu: are usure tho, that nothing in this world reduces to cunt physio-anatomy, everything else is special and distinct from cunt ?
trinque: how many humans is enough to own an earth?
trinque: losing females is more costly to population than losing males
trinque: said the sexual dynamics of everything ever
trinque: it means to have your species as the dominant predatory species in a given area
trinque: rather, not area, the desirable parts of the whole earth
trinque: I don't particularly mind the fact that, having covered the whole habitable earth, we killed off most of the species that used to eat us.
trinque: whether or not this peasantry is undesirable, I think having the land occupied by humans has benefits.
trinque: how many humans on earth does it take to raise an army worth a shit? obviously there is not a single answer to that question because then the other guy gets n+1 and it runs away until you're back at now.
trinque: this idea that we depopulate the earth down to a million individuals or something is not unlike the nerd fantasy that he'd really like his brain to live in a jar in some robot than in his body
trinque: how many humans does it take to own a solar system?
jurov: planning a family?
trinque: incidentally, the WoT may be the only social system capable of operating at the scale of a planetary system.
phf: pretty safe bet, if a111 is missing, logs dead, but no worries they are still being recored with my bouncer. i'm almost done with a better logger, that reconnects. will take it live over the weekend
mircea_popescu: trinque> whether or not this peasantry is undesirable, I think having the land occupied by humans has benefits. << depends, dude. argentina would be certainly better if current population got wiped.
mircea_popescu: so would bakersfield ; or the whole state of pennsylvania
mircea_popescu: the one thing agar jars produce consistently is failure. human population no better than random chunk of bacteria in this regard.
alikim: so scream much energy... I found that key on another computer
danielpbarron: $ v23F111CBE45F138425CD8023C5A3E2D289F04C0CEEE0A561846745F05D0A1531
danielpbarron: $v 23F111CBE45F138425CD8023C5A3E2D289F04C0CEEE0A561846745F05D0A1531
deedbot: danielpbarron rated alikim 1 << Euloran who likes to hack the client on winbl0wz
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
alikim: I don't like it, it's necessity
alikim: no in what kind of shit the client is
alikim: ideal client would be a console app, it doesn't need 3d engine or visuals
danielpbarron: although that won't always be true, but certainly for the time being all that's needed is a console
alikim: I need to dig into how to run a copy of geometry on the client and that's too much for me, otherwise I could reuse network classes from the package and other stuff