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pete_dushenski: Framedragger: gtg!
Framedragger: pete_dushenski: ah thanks very much, there's another newly documented command `getarchive` in there, could you include that too, please? :) (no hurries tho, it's not like they're super essential anyway heh)
phf: ben_vulpes: it's a silly convention, because count(anything) would've returned the row count. select count(42) from foo would've returned the same result
ben_vulpes: count(first)
mircea_popescu: people generally do count(*) or such
ben_vulpes: i am now more completely aware of the question's stupidity, thank you all.
pete_dushenski: Framedragger: no worries, it's updated.
pete_dushenski: !~isup http://danielpbarron.com/
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: It's not just you. danielpbarron.com/ appears to be down.
pete_dushenski: !$ getarchive http://danielpbarron.com/2016/the-drunken-explorer/
scriba: Previously archived URL: http://archive.is/BYTAJ (this was archived by scriba: yes)
ben_vulpes: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ciagov/9779277632/ << a baby hillary!
ben_vulpes: heh and a case could be made for bill's dong making an appearnace as well
pete_dushenski has updated eulora ubuntu wiki with danielpbarron's archived site now that foxybot is part of the stock downloaded package
pete_dushenski learned about wiki hyperlinking in the process. it's... different.
mircea_popescu: cool deal.
asciilifeform caught up.
pete_dushenski: in other other strange that should've died two decades ago but lives, anyone missing their old apple 'portable' now has a latter day option : https://www.cnet.com/products/acer-predator-21x/preview/
ben_vulpes: featuring ethnic models in gender-bending haircuts!
ben_vulpes: lol detachable numpad wtf monstrosity have you unearthed pete_dushenski
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al : http://trilema.com/2017/towards-a-better-hash-function/#comment-121047
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i swim in dark waters
pete_dushenski: lotsa "new" shit
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i just built a heathentron box with very similar specs, for roughly 1/4 the cost
asciilifeform: (and of very similar physical volume and mass.)
asciilifeform: 10k usd for lappy is bizzarroworld.
asciilifeform: (unless the year is 1995 and it's a 'tadpole sparcbook' etc)
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i am on my own perversely enjoyable swim through the filth atm
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: and how much time did it take you ? how much of your incomparable expertise did it require ? if little, and you made laptop not desktop, you win.
ben_vulpes: "thirty minutes and ten years"
pete_dushenski: ^^
pete_dushenski: "why is this root canal $1000??!"
ben_vulpes: well no that is bullshit
ben_vulpes: "friends with benefits" ifyaknowhaddayemean
pete_dushenski: lol! ok, let's hear it. why is it bullshit ? because you know an indian guy who will do it in the back of his dirty van ?
ben_vulpes: father in law
ben_vulpes: but close
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: wtf, didn't make laptop, no
ben_vulpes: but wtf who isn't 2 jumps away from a dentist
asciilifeform: ended up with a thing ~= the size of a breadbox.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: heh. my father in law too. girl idem ;)
pete_dushenski: but that still leaves a lotta jews w/o blogs who have no dentist in the fam!
asciilifeform: ~ 35 x 25 x 20 cm.
ben_vulpes: ya fuck 'em, get in the wot
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: and it took a coupla hours.
asciilifeform: as it always does.
asciilifeform: pretty unremarkable build.
pete_dushenski: for the ignorant, what is remarkable build ? lispmachine on iphone ?
asciilifeform: and srsly, pete_dushenski never had to build pc?!
pete_dushenski: or on vtech lappy ?
asciilifeform: where was he in the 90s
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: wasn't the question. care to answer it ?
asciilifeform: which q. i'm trying to work in order here
pete_dushenski: you set the bar here, not me. i'm genuinely curious what alfatronic 'remarkable build' looks like.
asciilifeform: 'remarkable build' for pc would be, say, water cooling thing made from toyota. ( asciilifeform had this nonsense as a student. )
pete_dushenski: lolk just needed that point of reference. ty.
asciilifeform: at any rate it is about as much of an intellectual exercise as building chair from 'ikea' etc.
ben_vulpes: haha
asciilifeform: you buy the boards, the tin, etc. and they snap together in exactly 1 way.
asciilifeform: the model airplane you glued when you were 5, was harder.
mircea_popescu: wtf are you discussing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski posted link to $10k x86 lappy. and asciilifeform remarked that it is similar box to what he built for nowhere close to 10k usd.
asciilifeform: file under the 'laptops suck' thread.
mircea_popescu: aite
ben_vulpes: https://igoradamenko.github.io/awsm.css/elements.html "div isn't styled because it doesn't have semantic value" << i like this attitude
mircea_popescu: so i tried to watch naked (2013). the most i can say is that the atrocity is a fine explanation of why there isn't such a thing as english philosophy.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/74B2839A28A26465F882A81738A18BEC4A02D2E88EBD03C709894390DDDD641F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1794...4017 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.68.93.14 (ssh-rsa key from 80.68.93.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (oblivion.extols.co.uk. GB)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/74B2839A28A26465F882A81738A18BEC4A02D2E88EBD03C709894390DDDD641F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1711...4937 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.68.93.14 (ssh-rsa key from 80.68.93.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (oblivion.extols.co.uk. GB)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1602020 << this is pretty nifty.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-12 23:48 scriba: ssh banner of 79.98.25.182 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.7
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-12#1602003 << we do not, afaik, presently have a knob in trb that would enable the 'at you' part of this.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-12 23:25 mircea_popescu: btw ben_vulpes : you might consider making yourself a process to stand up vps instances of listener nodes to spray out at you new blocks as they hear them.
asciilifeform: i.e. dulap will occasionally drop zoolag! and there is currently nothing i can do to force it not to
asciilifeform: (and vice-versa)
mircea_popescu: eatblock
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point is mostly block timing / discovery. you can compare when various anon nodes see blocks to evaluate both the network and any hostile activity.
asciilifeform: nifty idea overall.
mircea_popescu: basic tool of bitcoin network intel.
mircea_popescu: aaand happy fri the 13th
asciilifeform: phf's logtron down??
BingoBoingo: lol, ben_vulpes spent all the effort ridding himself of disposable VPS constructs, and now has problem which suggest leaning on them again
trinque: asciilifeform: works here
asciilifeform: noworky here
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/44F62448613E25FDD256C73528E8A74A5B2D9E404B983F011BB453F9794A7838 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1442...1479 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.33.170.204 (ssh-rsa key from 217.33.170.204 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown GB)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/44F62448613E25FDD256C73528E8A74A5B2D9E404B983F011BB453F9794A7838 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1518...1933 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.33.170.204 (ssh-rsa key from 217.33.170.204 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown GB)
asciilifeform: aaand it's back
trinque: asciilifeform: they were doing an update on your mitmtron, all done now
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FF2442CFB191352BD53447D8F8503979922170EB8A5C26F5519753EF821DD7CE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1436...1637 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.55.70.42 (ssh-rsa key from 80.55.70.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (rs42.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FF2442CFB191352BD53447D8F8503979922170EB8A5C26F5519753EF821DD7CE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1603...7073 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '80.55.70.42 (ssh-rsa key from 80.55.70.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (rs42.internetdsl.tpnet.pl. PL)
asciilifeform: lul
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/45E4A3D82B00CD7ABE8C7B8A8D4D7059537E8FA49B3C32412717747121DC260A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1381...4983 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.43.200.1 (ssh-rsa key from 89.43.200.1 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (router.radionetturda.ro. RO CJ)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/45E4A3D82B00CD7ABE8C7B8A8D4D7059537E8FA49B3C32412717747121DC260A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1732...9279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.43.200.1 (ssh-rsa key from 89.43.200.1 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (router.radionetturda.ro. RO CJ)
asciilifeform: ^ turda was that salt mine, neh...?
mircea_popescu: yeh
mircea_popescu: !~google salina turda
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Salina Turda - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salina_Turda>; Salina Turda Salt Mine: <http://salinaturda.eu/%3Flang%3Den>; Salina Turda amusement park in Romania - Business Insider: <http://www.businessinsider.com/salina-turda-amusement-park-in-romania-2015-7>
davout: in other false pope news http://yournewswire.com/pope-francis-global-central-bank/
davout: sorry, antipope
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-13#1602076 << tyvm!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-13 00:12 pete_dushenski: Framedragger: no worries, it's updated.
mircea_popescu: nooow then, let's continue with this lisp thingee.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E7AD433551E8685B6C4269A2AA6E66E19F80FB175F3F0A4DE9756009B0D8166F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1673...8977 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.245.149.177 (ssh-rsa key from 77.245.149.177 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host177.b6.trdns.com. TR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E7AD433551E8685B6C4269A2AA6E66E19F80FB175F3F0A4DE9756009B0D8166F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1509...9469 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.245.149.177 (ssh-rsa key from 77.245.149.177 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host177.b6.trdns.com. TR)
mircea_popescu: i guess they're mostly going to be double bangs from now on huh.
mircea_popescu: !~calc 30!
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 30! = 2.652528598121911E32
mircea_popescu: !~calc 16!
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 16! = 20922789888000
mircea_popescu: !~calc 8!
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 8! = 40320
mircea_popescu: !~calc 20!
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 20! = 2432902008176640000
asciilifeform: in other lulz -- https://archive.is/WxWgs << run moar weirdo closed chats
mircea_popescu: digging through the logs to find a point of reference for " phf that actually goes back to a thread long time ago" i found http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-09#1320422 instead. how did the proposed solution work out for you phf ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-11-09 04:39 phf: which brings me to the point that i have folders for all but "make new hardware" item in that list of b-a scope in various states of disarray, and it would be great if there was some prioritization, like it was the case with eulora "oh we need this done, you do it".
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, anyone recall the link to the big array/list discussion cuz i can't fucking find it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-02#1444246 ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-02 01:12 phf: Nah, universally. A significant property of arrays shared across languages is that they give you some guarantees about access time, space utilization
mircea_popescu: lessee
mircea_popescu: very much.
mircea_popescu: ty. howdja get it ?
asciilifeform: it was memorable
asciilifeform: because compact, correct description of 'what is array'
mircea_popescu: nice. wanted to re=read it anyway.
mircea_popescu is preparing lisp mega-article. only 30k words or so.
asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3236870273259433@naggum.net.html << possibly related, re the 'resources' thing
asciilifeform: 'Common Lisp is a big-city language. Spit out the hayseed, pronounce "shit" with one syllable and "shotgun" with two. You're not in Kansas, anymore. C is the language of the poor farmer village where the allocation of every seed and livestock matters, where taxes are low and public service non-existent.'
asciilifeform: ^ actually a discussion of cl strings!
mircea_popescu: this makes me loathe lisp and prefer c.
mircea_popescu: there is no future, for the record, for the "big city" understood as rules of pronounciation, high taxes and "public services".
asciilifeform: this goes back to the 'tallest tower' thread.
mircea_popescu: much like his "car going off road is bad mkay" made my skin crawl. why the fuck would i ALWAYS go anywhere there's a road, what am i, too young to grow a beard ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is NO RELATION between civilisation and impotence.
asciilifeform: why does 'city with paved roads and indoor plumbing' necessarily equate to 'impotence' ?
mircea_popescu: phf for instance, is shockingly delicate, specifically because he's more from russia than you. and the japanese folk, ESPECIALLY back in the days when misspeaking to samurai == beheading, were remarkably delicate also.
asciilifeform: i must've missed one hell of a thread. where, e.g., phf was 'delicate'..?
mircea_popescu: so no, civilisation doth exist irrespective of "follow the road and wear breeches"
mircea_popescu: it doesn't shock you, the man's delicacy ?
asciilifeform: are we talking of same d00d? because the phf i recall sleeps in a tent, in arizona desert, surrounded by 48 virgins
asciilifeform: or what was it.
mircea_popescu: i meant in demeanor.
asciilifeform: dunno, maybe he sat in kresty, and just weighs words veeery carefully.
mircea_popescu: which is the point, somewhat.
mircea_popescu: "big city" is very specifically NOT the big city where naggum dreamed to move, as depicted in sex and the city.
asciilifeform: actually from my reading naggum's 'city' is simply 'place where the mains sockets work, the roads are smooth, and vehicle can be mercedes and not necessarily mule'
mircea_popescu: big city as in, new orleans, with low taxes and slaves. not as in new york, with high taxes, "public services" and "pronounce words this way"
mircea_popescu: this is a generous read to the point of wishful thinking, i suspect.
asciilifeform: 'public service' does not necessarily mean 'communist', just means that it is available to folks within the walls. can have price of admission, as in medieval germany, it is not specified how 'public road' is paid for.
mircea_popescu: but in any case there's absolutely no progre monopoly on civilisation. on the contrary.
asciilifeform: naggum, for instance, used payware lisptrons that cost megabux.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform define "public service" if you will ?
asciilifeform: 'available ad libitum to those within the walls'
mircea_popescu: naggum evidently intends restrictions as to shape AND USAGE. this you don't see because you opt to, but in his world, as constructed from his words, it is legitimate for someone to come and tell you "this isn't a proper use of the public service", and it is illegitimate for you to retort "tough"
asciilifeform: it so happens that i read all of the material from the naggum archive. and apparently d00d lived in oslo, a very strongly socialist hellhole, and hated it for all of the right reasons.
asciilifeform: (tax on auto, for instance, was 100k usd iirc)
mircea_popescu: ironically, i'd make the auto tax 100x yearly average income.
asciilifeform: the lulzy bit is that places like oslo, bangkok, etc. with draconian auto tax, still have jams.
asciilifeform: just not of car.
mircea_popescu: i have a solution for that, too! http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/01/13/mothers-and-fathers/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Mothers and fathers.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B216777E530792039BCD01CA8DB5D3834CAF576E9FCA906E9DB886AEF9CD7851 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1514...3553 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.200.63.156 (ssh-rsa key from 88.200.63.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown SI)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B216777E530792039BCD01CA8DB5D3834CAF576E9FCA906E9DB886AEF9CD7851 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1639...7709 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '88.200.63.156 (ssh-rsa key from 88.200.63.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown SI)
thestringpuller: !~seen jurov
jhvh1: thestringpuller: jurov was last seen in #trilema 23 hours, 23 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <jurov> http://www.livescience.com/57461-army-wants-biodegradable-bullets.html << reality can outdo both onion and qntra
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/my-three-days-of-ai/ << Trilema - My three days of AI
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : ben_vulpes would you join candi here and set everyone in l1 to its eat list ? i deem you've satisfied contractual obligations re support ; if you'll be kind enough to bring it back within a day or two should it get knocked off that's entirely fine by my lights. and everyone else : have fun with the lisp repl, but don't abuse.
BingoBoingo: In old news, bear food riot http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL22583868
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/01/womens-march-alienating-white-women-with-platform/ << Qntra - "Women's March" Alienating White Women With Platform
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you have a key for her?
ben_vulpes: !!up candi_lustt
deedbot: candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
candi_lustt: ben_vulpes: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/KON9K/?raw=true
candi_lustt: deedbot: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/i4aUD/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: cool
ben_vulpes: (+ 1 1)
ben_vulpes: (say "hi")
phf: (progn *users*)
candi_lustt: ("asciilifeform" "ben_vulpes" "bingoboingo" "danielpbarron" "davout" "diana_coman" "hanbot" "jurov" "mike_c" "mircea_popescu" "mod6" "phf" "trinque")
candi_lustt: i'm alive
ben_vulpes: candi_lustt http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/yXCkU/?raw=true eat
candi_lustt: ben_vulpes: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/v147r/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: (+ 1 1)
candi_lustt: 2
ben_vulpes: (paste "butts")
candi_lustt: error: #<undefined-function paste {10070D62E3}>
ben_vulpes: (mpbot:paste "butts")
candi_lustt: error: #<sb-int:simple-reader-package-error "The symbol ~S is not external in the ~A package." {10070E98E3}>
ben_vulpes: (mpbot::paste "butts")
candi_lustt: "http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ToMuj/?raw=true"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you have a key for her?
ben_vulpes: (mpbot:paste "butts")
candi_lustt: error: The symbol "PASTE" is not external in the MPBOT package.Line: 1, Column: 72, File-Position: 72Stream: #<sb-impl::string-input-stream {10071B3B53}>
ben_vulpes: betta
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: many of your parens escapes did not work in ai post
trinque: ben_vulpes: if you princ that error iirc it wont fart out the format string
ben_vulpes: also http://trilema.com/2017/my-three-days-of-ai/#selection-3947.0-4087.77 would be worth preserving whitespace in to make the point
ben_vulpes: (mpbot:paste "butts")
candi_lustt: The symbol "PASTE" is not external in the MPBOT package.Line: 1, Column: 72, File-Position: 72Stream: #<sb-impl::string-input-stream {1007504E23}>
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-13#1602256 <<☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-13 20:13 candi_lustt: error: #<sb-int:simple-reader-package-error "The symbol ~S is not external in the ~A package." {10070E98E3}>
phf: (mpbot::paste "butts")
ben_vulpes: deeeeebugger
ben_vulpes: heap exhausted game over
trinque: heap inflation pls
phf: oh somebody mentioned candi_lustt in a message, i think a111, and that triggered mp's code, which in turn has some exciting exponential properties
ben_vulpes: aok
ben_vulpes: > exciting
ben_vulpes: so i guess in five minutes or so i'll restart her when freenode wakes up to the dead socket?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/my-three-days-of-ai/#identifier_10_71072 << busted
ben_vulpes: standby 2
asciilifeform: in re shannonizer lulz, http://www.onthelambda.com/2014/02/20/how-to-fake-a-sophisticated-knowledge-of-wine-with-markov-chains/
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/01/under-pressure-domestic-margin-trading-at-chinese-fiatbitcoin-interfaces-folding/ << Qntra - Under Pressure Domestic Margin Trading At Chinese fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Folding
ben_vulpes: !!up candi_lustt
deedbot: candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
candi_lustt: ben_vulpes: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/P87lX/?raw=true
candi_lustt: deedbot: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TZkq1/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: (+ 1 1)
candi_lustt: 2
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i was thinking she gets upt in half hour intervals
mircea_popescu: no good ?
ben_vulpes: your call really
ben_vulpes: anyone with eval permissions could register the nick, so may as well do it yourself.
mircea_popescu: sluts gonna slut.
mircea_popescu: fixed footnote. lisp dun mix well with the footnote system
ben_vulpes: you're telling me
asciilifeform: iirc i recently tried to mix something entirely else with it, and also got barf
asciilifeform: it was... less-than sign ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform comments don't allow < semantically because it's the start of a html tag ; articles have problems parsing (( and )) because it's footnote convention
asciilifeform: aah
mircea_popescu: could set the footnote to arbitrary anything, but meh. and i see no good way out of the comment thing, because it ~is~ stuck parsing the comment.
asciilifeform: mp-wp supports footnotes ~in comments~ ?!
mircea_popescu: nah.
mircea_popescu: though it prolly should huh.
asciilifeform: !~later tell BingoBoingo what the hell does one use to get gap-sealing foam off skin ? my hands look like 'advance leprousy' after two dozen washes with 4+ solvents..
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Has it cured yet?
asciilifeform: of course!
BingoBoingo: And why weren't you using nitrile gloves?!
asciilifeform: and with liberal admixture of dirt and insects
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didn't feel like climbing down from ladder to get'em.
BingoBoingo: Well, sandpaper works
BingoBoingo: acetone sometimes works on hard surfaces...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: yeah, got most of it off with wet sand, still remains the conformal crud.
asciilifeform: acetone failed.
BingoBoingo: Aha, you've got a rather solid cure then
asciilifeform: very solid, a++++
BingoBoingo: Well pretty much limited to mechanical removal nao
BingoBoingo: Wait 24 hours
BingoBoingo: then try lava soap
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just wait. your skin exfoliates naturally, they will come off.
mircea_popescu: WAY better than giving yourself contact dermatitis.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well noshit. is what i normally do.
mircea_popescu: there is ~no good chem solution for your problem as it is.
asciilifeform: q was about 'exists faster method?'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am currently satisfied that this is so.
mircea_popescu: carbon sulfide, which is carcinogenic.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and funnily enough, first thing i did was (knockoff) lava soap.
asciilifeform: i keep it in the work room.
BingoBoingo: Anyways pumice and time
asciilifeform: (there is no running water there and so it is the only wash..)
candi_lustt: The variable is is unbound.
asciilifeform: lol! how did ^ happen
BingoBoingo: if still tacky you can cover foamskin with powder
asciilifeform: parentheses ??
asciilifeform: ( )
candi_lustt: nil
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: aw fuck
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes can it only retort if its name is on the line ? otherwise this will become problematic
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it needs to be fed your brain
ben_vulpes: !!up candi_lustt
deedbot: candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
candi_lustt: ben_vulpes: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kQeDo/?raw=true
candi_lustt: deedbot: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3IAka/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: ^^
ben_vulpes: if you want a default that'll persist over reboots so she does at least something, i can jam that in there
mircea_popescu: candi_lustt eat http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/jO4Hu/?raw=true
candi_lustt: mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PSAht/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i don't want her to do anything specifically, but she also can't answer to a single-open-parens control sequence
mircea_popescu: i guess can have !( for it and you wipe ! ?
ben_vulpes: foo(+ 1)
ben_vulpes: can't the lords be trusted to shut her up when they're done playing?
mircea_popescu: (+ 1 "no good")
candi_lustt: The value "no good" is not of type number
asciilifeform: why not have the thing answer to its own name strictly
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes iffy, too promisetronic will cause a bunch of hurt fingers.
mircea_popescu: yeah.
asciilifeform: then no need to switch it on/off, other than for maintenance
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the idea is for this to be a toy-level learn-lisp item ; can't add a "AND IF YOU DO ARCANE THING YOU DIE" coda.
ben_vulpes: hehk
ben_vulpes: !( , yes?
ben_vulpes: if we wanted to be cute it could be ,(
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: nah, stick to !
ben_vulpes: k
phf: asciilifeform: there are two incompatible eating methods, "eat" function and the ^( mode. i added the latter for my own convenience, because number of times i want to type a sexp is way higher than a literate string that opens with paren. obviously doesn't scale to a channel full of people, who have much less need for a repl bot
asciilifeform: phf et al : i still don't get why not simply candi_lustt (+ 2 2)
candi_lustt: asciilifeform: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BwzNj/?raw=true
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: phf if usage goes wai up we'll figure something out.
mircea_popescu: so far mostly trying to tease out practical utility.
mircea_popescu: both wanting a clean channel and wanting a repl bot are legitimate wants, neither necessarily has to yield to the other, we see how it goeth.
phf: asciilifeform: just look at the chainstate log. that's how it was. but on one hand it became impractical to prefix every time. and the other reason is that c*ndi_lustt is not a repl bot by original design. "BRAIN" function supposed to take arbitrary text, and process it. in order to actually get to repl you have to use "c*ndi_lustt eat <url>"
mircea_popescu: aha.
ben_vulpes: !(princ "done")
candi_lustt: "done"
asciilifeform: ! ((lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x))) (quote (lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x)))))
mircea_popescu: (+ 2 2)
asciilifeform: !((lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x))) (quote (lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x)))))
candi_lustt: ((lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x))) (quote (lambda (x) (list x (list (quote quote) x)))))
mircea_popescu: !(+ 2 2)
candi_lustt: 4
mircea_popescu: ! (+ 2 2)
mircea_popescu: ((+ 2 2))
mircea_popescu: call it good.
ben_vulpes: pls no more fuzzing
mircea_popescu: lol poor vulpes.
mircea_popescu: didja have fun ?
phf: !(loop for i from 1 to 1000 collect i)
candi_lustt: (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 ...)
ben_vulpes: the fun parts were fun, i learned rather a lot, i have a deeper hate of irc than i did a week ago...
mircea_popescu: phf if you feel like it, you can do a weekly lisp class by appointment, look in the log when there's usually holes and intersect with your schedule and there you go.
mircea_popescu: "weds 14:00 to 16:00, phf's lisp class".
ben_vulpes: you only need a phf to teach noobs if the noob is you
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: you laugh ben_vulpes , but consider that a 15yo mp, much more imperious, much less sexually and otherwise pacified, had to go to school. PUBLIC school.
asciilifeform: didn't mircea_popescu only show up for exam day or the like
mircea_popescu: i showed up for ~40% of classes. which was about the most either me or the system could carry.
phf: that's not a bad idea
mircea_popescu: but the teachers were still petrified.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho at some point we oughta pick up again the 'big city' thread, because the engineering tradeoffs of, e.g., gc, (esp. on hardware that does 0 to help) are very real.
mircea_popescu: go right ahead.
asciilifeform: it isn't even a subj particular to lisp.
mircea_popescu: certainly not.
asciilifeform: imho best thread re same was the 'unix vs msdos' one
asciilifeform: where, yes you can run >1 proggy on 1 box, but there are very real costs.
asciilifeform: they dun get to talk to the iron directly, etc.
mircea_popescu: how's this relate to imperial vs republican big city ?
asciilifeform: well that's what i'd like to study from mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: because 'republican city' is not a subj i am deeply familiar with.
asciilifeform: i only know 2 types of city -- today's, and stereotypical-medieval
asciilifeform: in the latter, you dump shit out of window, and rivers of piss fill the streets
mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me that any engineering issues are in fact involved. all i see are purely psychogenic issues improperly welded to the foregoing. you don't need nor can have any meaningful implementation of "public servicves", not ever. getting oneself to believe the contrary is a strange exercise in contorsionism
asciilifeform: what's the sewer then
asciilifeform: or the water.
mircea_popescu: there are known from history many numerous models of cities.
asciilifeform: will tell me that rome's aqueduct was not 'public service' ? is 'public service' only idiot traffic cop ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when i had you define "public good" you said "endlessly abundant item". this is nonsense, nothing is endlessly abundant.
asciilifeform: when'd i say 'endless'
asciilifeform: said 'ad libitum', i.e. not individually+transactionally dispensed
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'available ad libitum to those within the walls' << this means there's an infinite supply.
asciilifeform: only if you have a miniature black hole, with endless appetite, in your city.
mircea_popescu: this is a fiction, which may be convenient for personal reasons. but nothing is like this. note above : we have an infinity of chatlines, literally, avaailable each day. nevertheless, the bot is vaguely constrained.
mircea_popescu: "if it looks like it's running out, we'll do something about it."
asciilifeform: we do not however have an infinite of brain cycles. hence banishments of low snr folk etc
mircea_popescu: ie, not qs.
mircea_popescu: yes. nothing can be qs, not in this world, which is why your definition of "public good" is not a definition.
mircea_popescu: (qs i will remind stands for quantum sufficit, or else satiem. satiem is the word that gave sated. the presumption here, etymologically-amusing as it is, is that something can be qs only if there's no "black hole" of appetite. mmkay.)
mircea_popescu: this is also how banking works, "you can have all the money you don't need you could wish -- but don't ask for money when you need it!"
asciilifeform: qs is exactly what i was thinking! ty mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform used to be written on medicine bottles. back before medicine became rationalized.
asciilifeform: and yes it is a somewhat promisetronic thing. no need even to go as far as bank. go an' see what happens if you want 1000 amps from your mains connection.
asciilifeform: on short notice.
mircea_popescu: ok so then. stop using strings for concepts. what do you mean by "public good" ?
asciilifeform: perhaps: item that is impractical to withhold from freeloaders, but nevertheless must be paid for.
mircea_popescu: ie, bullets ?
asciilifeform: in the sense of 'bullets will fly but whether you paid determines the direction' ?
asciilifeform: not quite what i had in mind, no.
mircea_popescu: no, in the sense it's impractical to not shoot them, but still the bullet is produced.
asciilifeform: this is somewhat arcane and my gas mask is clogged, can haz expanded ver plz.
mircea_popescu looks at kresty prison overhead pic, notices that building set on its right is painted in international color of courthouse. mmkay.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was just observing shooting is a public good by your definition. not practical to keep it from freeloaders, still has a cost.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: shooting thieves in the street, or rabid weasels, etc. definitely 'public good' -- they remain dead for all the misers who hadn't paid for exterminator service aha
mircea_popescu: i was thinking more in the lines of, shooting obama. puts him out of his misery of pretending like he's a person.
mircea_popescu: going to all that trouble etc.
asciilifeform: any rabid weasel works equally well for this one.
asciilifeform: large, small.
mircea_popescu: yes, except the rabid weasel does not seem to WANT this public good.
asciilifeform: noshit.
asciilifeform: if shit could talk, it probably would not want to be flushed either.
mircea_popescu: which is somewhat counterintuitive. so i was examining if you're going to stick with the definition or redefine in face of it.
asciilifeform: it doesn't strike me as counterintuitive at all, is actually the exact thing i was thinking of.
asciilifeform: clean street, or dead politicians, etc. remain 'working' for the nonpaying folx.
mircea_popescu: yes, but what does it mean "it's not practical to withhold" ?
asciilifeform: well you can't , afaik, set up world where the payers get to live obummer-free but the cheapskates get another 8 yrs of him.
mircea_popescu: (i beg forgiveness if i just snap yoru words to classical discourse on the topic, it's for the greater good)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ? split up.
asciilifeform: if you can properly and surgically cut it, and sell piecemeal, then it is not 'public good' but normal workaday commercial good.
mircea_popescu would pay to see in practice the equivalent of salic electoral law, considering how lulzily salic inheritance worked irl. enough of this angevin bs. you vote in electiosn, then each side gets half the country. and so going each 4 years.
mircea_popescu: soon enough, 1024 countries of manageable size.
asciilifeform: sorta like how monkey troopy divvy up the jungle, neh
asciilifeform: iirc africa presently works like this.
mircea_popescu: more or less yea
asciilifeform: and sooner or later the other africa also will.
asciilifeform: just -- not yet.
mircea_popescu: in the absence of a forum, it's the only workable way.
mircea_popescu: which brings the problem back home : most of the problems you discuss have a huge language externality.
asciilifeform: forum! another publicgood.
mircea_popescu: take fucking. the women are pregnant for all, irrespective how many fuck them.
mircea_popescu: yet somehow THIS particular public good is never too problematic
asciilifeform: sunlight is ~the~ good but also not problematic, because it dun give a fuck whether anyone asked for it or not, and there is no credit card slot to pay into for it.
asciilifeform: just as you also do not have to pay for arithmetic to work.
mircea_popescu: but in point of fact, whether mp alone is repsonsible for half us live births this year, like it works in africa / oceania ; or not -- live births there will be.
asciilifeform: so these are not 'public goods' as contemplated here.
mircea_popescu: well... you will need a new definition then
asciilifeform: why?
asciilifeform: i did mention 'but still has to be paid for'
mircea_popescu: what do you mean why. because you want to exclude items that match it.
mircea_popescu: fucking is paid for.
mircea_popescu: and depends how you define "paid for", sun may also be.
asciilifeform: if it will happen just the same if not paid for , then does not match condition 'must be paid for'
mircea_popescu: the price for its light is a definite limit in time ; it will eventually grow hot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems dubious.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-13#1602276 << lol. they're FACTORIAL not exponential. plox to be serious here, no exp can match this.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-13 20:22 ben_vulpes: > exciting
mircea_popescu: as good a statement as any re why moore law can't ever produce ai.
asciilifeform: ^ doesn't seem like a notion in particularly dire need of disproof tho. just as 'why bricks cannot birth rats'
mircea_popescu: yes. but i think it's very informative to examine it from angles.
asciilifeform: ( re 'public good', the removal of the 'great stink' from 1850s london, by the construction of the -- very costly -- sewer system, finest at the time in the world, is imho instructive. they DID first try every possible method of 'eliminate the problem strictly for mircea_popescu !' -- parliament soaked curtains in lime, folx walked around with cloth masks, etc. but eventually queen barfed when sailing in pleasure boat, and that was t
asciilifeform: he limit, apparently )
mircea_popescu: london sewer was not by any means first in world ; but how do you distinguish between the l1 of london building sewer and ben_vulpes making me slut bot ?
asciilifeform: def. not first!
asciilifeform: rome -- 1st.
mircea_popescu: "why didn;t they do it sooner!" "cuz they didn't feel like it!" "but why did they do it at all!" "cuz they felt like it!"
asciilifeform: and iirc rome got one for ~same reason.
mircea_popescu: ah finest. i read first soz.
ben_vulpes: wyrdmantis: that's three reconnects today, stoppit
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes http://cascadianhacker.com/rogue-one#comment-144 << sadly i have nfi who that is.
ben_vulpes: star wars arcana
asciilifeform somehow happened upon http://www.romanianwriters.ro/book.php?id=14
asciilifeform: 'In one queue (assembled by the well known false alarm of “the meat lorry is coming,” which used to bring people out from all over the place, causing them scurry about like ants), my seventy‑five year‑old grandfather stood for twelve hours : on the street corner from six in the morning until six in the evening. When he got home, with an empty bag (that day, the lorry had not turned up), he started to feel unwell, leaned on th
asciilifeform: e bed and collapsed. This former interbellic country gentleman – vineyard owner and horse breeder in the foothills of the Leaota Mountain, denounced by a friend, arrested and beaten by the Securitate in the time of Dej because he had hidden some “cockerels” – had now exhausted all his energy for the sake of a bit of meat on the bone. Later, struck down with sclerosis and bedridden with semi‑paralysis, he was to come round o
asciilifeform: nce every few days, to ask the family he had once provided for : “Bread ? Is there bread ?”'
asciilifeform: elsewhere, http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7294 << shitlang lulz ( via jurov )
asciilifeform: from comments, lulzgold, 'The Hivemind is fully committed to systemd for service management, Wayland for graphical display, and PulseAudio for audio, which is why it doesn’t matter if you personally find them distasteful, they will become the de facto standard. For systems programming, Rust looks increasingly like it will be the Hivemind’s choice to replace C, as it has the backing of the Mozilla organization, is being used for r
asciilifeform: eal work (the servo engine), and meets the necessary criteria of being a strongly-typed, non-GC’d, safe, bit-level language that supports generic programming.'