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assbot: Retired East St. Louis police captain killed after gun accidentally discharges | Belleville News-Democrat ... (
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gribble: Error: "jurov" is not a valid command.
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kakobrekla: i think ;;8ball might be more accurate than ;;isup
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> because unless std::string does something clever with refcounts, as far as i can see: they do not. << they do not.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> entirely dead here. << didn't we already discuss this ?
assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 23:23:48; mircea_popescu: adlai BingoBoingo seems the very angry people managed to take the whole server down meanwhile.
mircea_popescu: anyway. apparently there's a limit on the count of simultaneously up services. whatevs.
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mod6: <+asciilifeform> incidentally, anybody ever succeed in getting a ~heap dump~ of a running trb ? << thanks.
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gribble: Current Blocks: 389126 | Current Difficulty: 9.34486707963238E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 391103 | Next Difficulty In: 1977 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 15 hours, 6 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
trinque looks forward to the day he can fiddle around with the concept of hypertext on a gossipd
trinque: fuck this "oh the server is down" therefore I cannot access this information that was previously published by someone in my WoT
mircea_popescu: so i ended up the happy owner of the best ice tray i have ever seen in my life. it's exceptionally well made plastic. for one thing, it's properly flexible. for the other, it's actually hygroscopic. for yet another, the separators are actually TALL enough you get proper cubes made. it is a wonder of perfection which literally fills my life with joy.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu can't remember the last time he has encountered a perfect product, but it wasn't this decade.
mircea_popescu: this is what "made in the usa" used to mean, 50 years ago.
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assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 16:53:58; Birdman: These are interesting times to be alive, that is for sure. And i have a bezzle bag so if i do somehow keep my imediate freedoms through the crash of fiat and rise of sound money my mouth will be fed.
liquidassets: I'm calling smart money has a significant % in cash
punkman: "AND WE SHALL BE REMEMBERED BY OUR 3 HOUR DDOS"
punkman: best to skip the real estate if you onlyt have a million
liquidassets: Crash of fiat, if you have an undergraduate in economics circa 2009, means hyperinflation
punkman: crawsh of fiat means zimbabwe
liquidassets: however, we are not in the weimar republic <<(not checking spelling or source)
liquidassets: digital money, debt, and the war on cash aka 'the grunch of giants' has changed the game
liquidassets: For about the last 20, the more debt you have, the better you're doing
punkman: I quite like not being in debt
liquidassets: assets are defined strictly as something that puts money in your pocket every month
liquidassets: but the rules of money are such that you will be forced out of position....until bitcoin
liquidassets: most people, and mexicans I work with, will buy a house with the little money they have, stack 9-12 members of extended families, and work their asses off to pay off a 30 year mortgage in less than 5
☟︎ liquidassets: most people just want to be comfortable and not have to worry so much
liquidassets: My problem with the story of contemporary hyperinflation has always been my inability to find the mechanism
liquidassets: I mean, it would seem that 'they' got really really good and keeping inflation down, or hiding it in other ways
liquidassets: It's like 20s 20s 20s 20s everywhere a 20. Ok Maybe a 50....Oh well hold on, I can't really break 100
punkman: well yes, as long as the megatons money you print doesn't really circulate
liquidassets: right, as long as it's 'sanitized' to pull from MP
liquidassets: I'm not sure I made a point out of all of this
liquidassets: and its probably been said before, there's no real insight to it, but it's been swiming in my noodle for quite some time
punkman: your name is liquid assets and you want 50% in real estate?
liquidassets: I'm in real estate, so it's a little more liquid for me ;)
liquidassets: And anyway, it could be for other people. Give me a few million to work with and I'm going to put that shit to work
liquidassets: but seriously don't give me money, I"m not even close lawyer wise yet
liquidassets: not one decent lawyer I can rightfully put in my wot
liquidassets: In other news,, I haven't jerked off for 3 days, MP you got anything for me?
punkman: is that a good wrist wrap?
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punkman: "Roberta Mancino is an Italian skydiver, BASE jumper, wingsuit flyer and international model. She has participated in more than 7,000 skydives and won several awards and world records. She has gone on four skydives while completely naked, and on five occasions her parachute did not open in mid-jump."
assbot: [Theory] Jar Jar Binks was a trained Force user, knowing Sith collaborator, and will play a central role in The Force Awakens : reddit.com ... (
http://bit.ly/1QzHXgi )
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punkman: wywialm: I looked at it recently, the code is not horrible, but I've yet to fully grasp the overall design of the thing
mircea_popescu: punkman> I quite like not being in debt << as usual, retail is for suckers. consumer debt's just about the dumbest proposition i ever heard. nevertheless, nrl isn't that bad.
mircea_popescu: (this isn't, as the retail bankers got the retail suckers to think, a case of "you can't takle anything other than my house".
mircea_popescu: more practically, most business ventures are financed by a convertible note.
mircea_popescu: this is the quintessential non recourse debt : x (company) owes to y, and all y can do if it's not happy with the repayment schedule is take some equity stake in x.
wywialm: punkman, if you find out more, please let me know
PeterL: "30. A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you’ll go."
mircea_popescu: lol wikipedia "Thus, non-recourse debt is typically limited to 50% or 60% loan-to-value ratios,"
mircea_popescu: "we're a large collection of people who understand nothing of anything and here's what we think the world is". such an unique value proposition.
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 04:32:25; mircea_popescu: so i ended up the happy owner of the best ice tray i have ever seen in my life. it's exceptionally well made plastic. for one thing, it's properly flexible. for the other, it's actually hygroscopic. for yet another, the separators are actually TALL enough you get proper cubes made. it is a wonder of perfection which literally fills my life with joy.
mircea_popescu: fun fact : if your debtor disposes of a retail (ie, faux) non-recourse loan and you live in the us/other such shitholes, the government WILL WANT TO TAX the ammount lost. because you made a theoretical gain.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: suppose you buy a house, take a 100k loan from the bank on the understanding that if you don't pay they can have the house and that's it. suppose the market goes to shit, and you walk. suppose the bank takes your house and sells it for 60k.
PeterL: ^ I short-sold a house a few years ago, was lucky enough to fall in the time frame USgov was doing a special "excluding mortgage losses from taxes" stint
PeterL: otherwise would have owed taxes on 50k "income"
PeterL: stupid real estate market crash mutter mutter bleh
PeterL: well, yeah, stupid real estate bubble caused by stupid government
mircea_popescu: that's the problem with that shit, it's so fucking sticky. or if you prefer less scatological terms, so well managed. it's an outrage, they know it's an outrage, but they also know people are lazy and how do you protect your outrage ?
mircea_popescu: you "suspend" it, arbitrarily, whenever it looks like it's enough to cause a riot, maybe.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: because hey, people are basically water - as long as you put the work in to make dykes while it rains, you can have an artificial lake np.
PeterL: i'm confused by your analogy, how does watery people relate to the current topic?
mircea_popescu: water is dumb. it has a very simple action cycle : does movement result in lower center of gravity ? if yes go if not stay.
mircea_popescu: same shit with ustard : does burning down the govt result in immediate payoff ? no ? well... what's on tv ?
mircea_popescu: all you gotta to is arbitrarily (which, in the theoretical paradigm you claim to operate under would be - illegally!) suspend whatever laws whenever things get to a boiling point
PeterL: most just go straight to the tv, "I'll think about burning stuff after I watch my shows and surf facebook for a while"
mircea_popescu: well so that's the analogy. from a management pov all you care about is the water level.
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 04:32:25; mircea_popescu: so i ended up the happy owner of the best ice tray i have ever seen in my life. it's exceptionally well made plastic. for one thing, it's properly flexible. for the other, it's actually hygroscopic. for yet another, the separators are actually TALL enough you get proper cubes made. it is a wonder of perfection which literally fills my life with joy.
PeterL: I don't understand how the plastic is hygroscopic?
PeterL: mircea_popescu: did you mean hydrophobic?
pete_dushenski: "The government in the Netherlands has clarified that it is legal for driving instructors to offer lessons in return for sex, as long as the students are over the age of 18. However, it is illegal to offer sex in return for lessons." << hahaha so man may proposition fillie but not vice versa eh. man i like those dutch.
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PeterL: he can buy, but she can't sell? wtf how does that work?
pete_dushenski: works like the rest of the soi-dissant fiat legal system : in la-la-land
PeterL: does technical analysis work on S.MPOE? BUY BUY BUY!!!
PeterL: I think the second should be the title of the post?
punkman: pete_dushenski: just gotta edit the rss template
shinohai: "P.S. Who knew you didn’t need Facebook or Myspace or whatever to make a post like this ?" <<< heh
PeterL: but if you posted it on facebook, then only your "friends" would be able to see it
punkman: probably feed.php or something
pete_dushenski: i've had the icespheres in old fashioneds at local restaurants. tis a classy touch
liquidassets: Fiesty blogger I think we should bring her here
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 12:30:38; mircea_popescu: liquidassets> I want to play.. << so wgat;s keepin you ?
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assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 12:40:47; mircea_popescu: fun fact : if your debtor disposes of a retail (ie, faux) non-recourse loan and you live in the us/other such shitholes, the government WILL WANT TO TAX the ammount lost. because you made a theoretical gain.
liquidassets: And don't think the bank is going to actually realize that 40,000 paper loss. Most of that loss was subsidized further by YOUR tax dollars
liquidassets: PeterL how long was the short sale? I got in when short sales were the thing to be in, thankfully only ever was involved with one.
gribble: phf was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours, 11 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <phf> or maybe it's picking up your gcc since you have it installed. homebrew compiler selection algo is all kinds of creative
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liquidassets: "So, to continue the Drug War analogy, the generals may keep declaring truces, but the soldiers still want to fight."
liquidassets: How accurate is that ;;ticker anyway? Anybody interface with any of those markets?
PeterL: liquidassets: I owed about 110k on the mortgage, house sold for about 35k. So I guess it was more like 75k "income" that was "forgiven" by USG for taxes.
☟︎ PeterL: The bank didn't lose any of that 75k, they had insurance (which was tacked onto my bill every month) to cover such a loss. Insurance didn't help me any, even though I was the one paying for it.
liquidassets: PeterL sorry for your luck, it's supposed to be much better 'for your credit' than going through a foreclosure. What are your thoughts on buying going forward?
PeterL: I dunno, I think I might buy. But I will approach it a bit different now, I will be more selective and aggressive instead of just taking the first offer the real estate agent suggests.
PeterL: There are advantages to renting, like moving is alot easier.
☟︎ PeterL: It is hard to predict the future, having a 30 year mortgage locking you down in one spot is not what I want to do again
liquidassets: PeterL What were/are your main reasons for wanting to buy?
PeterL: Now I would want to get a house with a large down-payment, pay it off quickly, then not have to worry about a monthly rent payment
☟︎ PeterL: When I bought the house I thought it was a financially good thing to do (I was in college at the time): buy house, pay mortgage for ~5-8 years, sell and have a nice down payment for the next house wherever my after college job ended up
PeterL: would have worked if housing prices hadn't dropped 75% where I lived
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 06:39:24; liquidassets: most people, and mexicans I work with, will buy a house with the little money they have, stack 9-12 members of extended families, and work their asses off to pay off a 30 year mortgage in less than 5
liquidassets: most people just want to be comfortable and not have to worry so much...most people isn't the group you want to be in
PeterL: why not have a (relatively) payment free place to live?
liquidassets: well...that would be a great thing. How would you best go about it?
PeterL: still have to pay taxes, but that is alot less than rent
liquidassets: sure, about 1.1% of assessed value where I live
liquidassets: Look, with interest rates on 30 year mort as low as they have been, why aren't you leveraging?
PeterL: I was unemployed part of this year. I am working on building a savings to use as a down payment
PeterL: I just hope I can get things together before interest rates go up too much.
liquidassets: If your 'goal' is to be comfortable with no debt, I commend you..for the no debt part...kind of. But the money rules are made to take the most advantage of those that make comfortability their goal
PeterL: I don't think it will take a long time, I currently live rent free. Before you ask why not just stay, it is a bit small for my family
liquidassets: so instead of only buying what you think you can afford. I always try to buy properties with income producing potential. Might be tough with family though..
PeterL: my 'goal' is not just to be debt free, but to have my money working harder than me
☟︎ liquidassets: afaik in US properties with 1-4 units qualify for all the same types of loans
liquidassets: once you go above 4 you're in commercial category, need like 20% down at least, harder to qualify
PeterL: I think getting a dwelling and making real estate investments should be approached in different ways
liquidassets: so best thing to do is find a 4 unit you can tolerate living in with your tenants (if the loan you get requires you to owner occupy)
PeterL: everybody needs somewhere to live, but real estate investments should be compared against other possible means of investment
liquidassets: Not exactly there's some nuance to 'investment'
PeterL: for example, where I want to live (close to my place of employment, nice neighbors, etc) has different criteria than a place for investment (price/value, possible tennants, etc)
liquidassets: each class should be considered separately in how it relates to your over all picture
pete_dushenski: liquidassets: remind me again, what's your background regarding investing ?
liquidassets: I've just tried to blend the two as much as possible
PeterL: based on pete_dushenski's articles, I am not sure if I have a good personality for being a land-lord
liquidassets: pete_dushenski been a USmarket bezzle investor since 1999. Alliance Pharmaceutical was my first hot stock tip I bought into, put all my eggs in that basket. 1 of 2 investments I've lost all principal
PeterL: there is one question "does it make sense to rent or buy (or try squatting) based on my financial situation?" and a separate question of "I have x money to invest, should I put it in real estate or investment y or z?"
liquidassets: 2nd one was a $10,000 'private investment' in a mobile medical PET scanner that was such a total scam...RapidScam Imaging I think it was called lol
PeterL: any financial advice I give should be taken with a grain of salt, as exemplified by my horrible mortgage investment I don't have alot of good marks on my record
liquidassets: in spite of these two failures I manage a decent size portfolio now
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pete_dushenski: liquidassets: wait, so you continue to go bust on whatever shiny thing catches your eye, but you've been doing it for 16 years, and now you somehow think you're qualified to opine on investing ? dude, how's that supposed to work ?
pete_dushenski: and a 'decent sized portfolio' can be easily 100% savings
liquidassets: did you want me to try and 'win' your approval?
PeterL: but 100% savings would have no loi
liquidassets: It's called discernment punk I"m not selling anything
pete_dushenski: but even if you have a $400k portfolio, it's unlikely you'd have saved that much working 'menial' jobs for 10 years
liquidassets: You're all sorts of filled with assumptions now aren't you?
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liquidassets: Pete, you're like a hero to me, please don't make me call you a punk again.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 12:41:39; mircea_popescu: irs is gonna claim you "realised 40k income"
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 12:46:18; mircea_popescu: you "suspend" it, arbitrarily, whenever it looks like it's enough to cause a riot, maybe.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the putins and chinese bureaucrats of this world... so far is having a lot of trouble doing anything worth the mention to a large mass of towelheads.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you keep repeating this fantasy lol. not like it's going to get rejected 500 times and then accepted on the 501st pass ?
mircea_popescu: it IS getting tedious, but it isn't getting any closer to acceptance.
mircea_popescu: these two aren't even related, notwithstanding they're not in any sense true.
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 13:42:01; pete_dushenski: "The government in the Netherlands has clarified that it is legal for driving instructors to offer lessons in return for sex, as long as the students are over the age of 18. However, it is illegal to offer sex in return for lessons." << hahaha so man may proposition fillie but not vice versa eh. man i like those dutch.
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assbot: Logged on 18-12-2015 22:13:12; pete_dushenski: i thought ben_vulpes was all 'auto-auto-mobiles are the footoor because bayes'
liquidassets: provocation seems to be a going strategy abroad and homeland for awhile now
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 17:11:48; asciilifeform: !s gettrust liquidassets
renart: the maximum number of operational systems continues to decrease
liquidassets: I think their 'friendship' is tenuous but whatevs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you seriously are quoting the fucking economist ?
mircea_popescu: here's the headline from pravda : the us was buried in 1975.
renart: yes, liquidassets, that *is* the reference i'm making!
mircea_popescu looking forward to the nato response ot the wave of 50mn turkish refugees once that thing blows up.
renart: "he's working towards a purpose, guys!"
trinque: then he says "to what end"
mircea_popescu: renart trinque translate the joke to an old man ? i'm like... not following.
trinque chuckles at liquidassets linking causes-and-purposes and then saying "to what end"
renart: mircea_popescu: aw man then it won't be funny
mircea_popescu: ", I had no idea that I’d end the day going from casually dating six men to formally and intentionally dating zero."
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 16:17:15; PeterL: Now I would want to get a house with a large down-payment, pay it off quickly, then not have to worry about a monthly rent payment
renart: so i say that he's working towards purposes and not from causes...
renart doesn't think the offhand comment bears such close scrutiny
mircea_popescu: i had no idea he was working. seemd just gabbing away to me.
renart: well there we differ in opinion
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the internet works foxperson. minutia is all it's got.
mircea_popescu: liquidassets he has a point, incidentally. it's not a social club per se. it's a social club for powerful rich people that do things.
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for liquidassets with note: low snr
liquidassets: ;;search site:trilema.com #bitcoin-assets rules
renart: it's bitcoin-rpg, try it and see!
gribble: (search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables.
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 16:02:21; PeterL: liquidassets: I owed about 110k on the mortgage, house sold for about 35k. So I guess it was more like 75k "income" that was "forgiven" by USG for taxes.
adlai: liquidassets: good noise cancellation doesn't boost white noise once human speech cuts off
mircea_popescu: then i tell them about how if i wanted to buy real estate i'd buy a ranch in montana for the same money, they go all incredulous. because yeah they do nothing but watch us exports on the tube all day, but they don't have either the unlazy intensity to try and get complete data or the mental acuity to understand how that's done.
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 16:09:46; PeterL: There are advantages to renting, like moving is alot easier.
mircea_popescu: if i was going to raise a litter i'd definitely buy. now it's true that if i did i'd buy in kandahar, and i would never even consider it with a single woman, but i guess these'd be details. fact remains if you're going to kids you're much better off with ownership.
☟︎ renart: and why is that, mircea_popescu?
renart: why is the fact that owning is so much better with kids?
mircea_popescu: not what was said. "the advantages of renting are mutually incompatible with the disadvantages of having kids."
mircea_popescu: kids are the exact bane of flexibility. this needs no discussion, does it ?
mircea_popescu: "i got this here aileron, just like the f1 ferrarris use. on my ford truck. because sometimes five ton ford trucks take off the road under their own speed."
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assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 17:49:00; mircea_popescu: if i was going to raise a litter i'd definitely buy. now it's true that if i did i'd buy in kandahar, and i would never even consider it with a single woman, but i guess these'd be details. fact remains if you're going to kids you're much better off with ownership.
liquidassets: !rate asciilifeform 5 All signal needs amplitude
mircea_popescu: in fairness, if you're going to raise kids correctly in the states, the govt pays for most of it.
mircea_popescu: the results are about what you'd expect out of a process designed, managed and paid for by a government, but hey.
liquidassets: !V assbot:liquidassets.rate.asciilifeform.5:2e6daa9209bf2b8dbead2cb6060e2b4e476751c4c259e1bc93bb50f00356f90c
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 5 for asciilifeform with note: All signal needs amplitude
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform obviously you'd only consider black women for marriage. what can you do.
mircea_popescu: "marriage". it's a flexible institution. seems the correct implementation of ghetto-marriage (as opposed to the middle class white same sex marriage thing they do - yes it's always two women) is where you keep 2-5 bitchez and professionally are either a thief or a drug dealer.
mircea_popescu: should get a coupla dozen urchins during a decade to pick from.
mircea_popescu: and if you can't pick a coupla decent ones from a coupla dozen, your women picking skills suck.
mircea_popescu: to teach them how to steal and how to pick bitchez, i guess.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, men are supposed to have loose ties with their offspring in the first place.
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 16:19:23; PeterL: would have worked if housing prices hadn't dropped 75% where I lived
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 16:30:11; PeterL: my 'goal' is not just to be debt free, but to have my money working harder than me
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the rental situation is pretty much idiotic anywhere outside europe.
mircea_popescu: which is weird, because the transportation situation idem
mircea_popescu: history, density, [up until recently] cultural variety, take your pick.
mircea_popescu: but from experience, what passes for 'normal' furnishings (all new appliances, genuine leather upholstery, etc) in ro is "luxury" if even awailable in massachussetts.
mircea_popescu: the notion you'd rent bare walls is so bizarre. is this a 10 year leasing agreement or something ?
mircea_popescu: why am i taking possession of industrial machinery by the month.
mircea_popescu: and if you aren't poor why are you renting in the poor section ?
mircea_popescu: to be next to all the famished bitchez ? mkay, then you'll live with the ikeas.
mircea_popescu is a firm believer in "scream at the market until it alligns. and if it doesn't, burn it down."
mircea_popescu: i suppose THAT is what the occasional derp means by sociopath.
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mircea_popescu: 17:32:44 renart: the maximum number of operational systems continues to decrease
mircea_popescu: god damned it. /me says to woman, "just set the soup on a low fire, i'll serve myself", promptly forgets about the entire thing. soup boils patiently for 40 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently some guy trying to inform the tardstalk ?
mircea_popescu: "hey... these guys put in some good sweat! briefly...."
mircea_popescu: "But Chill is not the opposite of uptight. It is the opposite of demanding accountability. Chill is a sinister refashioning of “Calm down!” from an enraging and highly gendered command into an admirable attitude. Chill suggests that young love is best expressed as competitive ambivalence. Chill demands that you see a Read receipt followed by a “Hey, was asleep” text three hours later and not proceed to throw yo
mircea_popescu: ur phone into the nearest volcano. Chill asks you to be like, “LOL, what volcano?” Chill presides over the funeral of reasonable expectations. Chill takes and never gives. Chill is pathologically unfeeling but not even interesting enough to kill anyone. Chill is a garbage virtue that will destroy the species. Fuck Chill."
mircea_popescu: that's where she's got the idea for accountability. obama's doin' aite, i guess. it's the schmuck sort-of dating her that needs more of the gel.
mircea_popescu: " I don’t think that it is so much to ask that I be considered a thing — at least some kind of thing — if I am engaging in emotional or sexual intimacy with someone."
mircea_popescu: it's funny how this shit works - all teh victorious 4-th shitwave feminism somehow left actual females on the ground with a thicker implement with more barbs on it up their ass.
mircea_popescu: "I routinely happen upon men who are perplexed when I eventually declare that I want to know where we stand. Indecision is not a noble virtue."
mircea_popescu: "here's where we stand : until and unless you burn down the entire politico-juridistical establishment of the entire faux-free world, i ain't signing any paper with you."
mircea_popescu: My feelings, and the feelings of many people I know, are more hurt by the prolonged waiting for a concrete answer while we sit quietly with our feigned Chill. It is as if I’ve broken some unwritten law when I ask what they are looking for and am dissatisfied with the answer “I don’t really like to put labels on things.” But putting labels on things are how people find the exit during a fire and make sure they
mircea_popescu: ’re adding vanilla extract to the cake instead of arsenic.
mircea_popescu: o look at that, NOW the labels on things are a good thing ?
mircea_popescu: fuck me... who came up with this entire "labels on things" bullshit ? and what did you think it was going to do ?
mircea_popescu: you can't fight power. you can think you do. and then fail and wonder where you went wrong.
mircea_popescu: here's where you went wrong : power is power. you're you. figure it out already.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bees are technically social media journalists. vestigially female, overweight, buzzing around for the buzz.
mircea_popescu: the "go shoot a cop" strategy would be where bee activates her ovaries, other bees kill her offspring, she kills [one of] those other bees.
mircea_popescu: this is pointedly not happening. because they're bees.
mircea_popescu: anyway, lulzy read for me. "what do you mean coming up with this complex theoretico-fantastico-nonsensical echaufadage did EXACTLY NOTHING ?!?!?!?!? but i thought thoughts alter reality! we rose the awareness to lilac levels!"
assbot: luke-jr comments on Could a cartel of pool operators collude to 51%-attack the blockchain and/or change the protocol? ... (
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mircea_popescu: "I can even get it up to 2 or 3 block confirmation before the real network overtakes it with a longer chain. This is a risk accepted as a tradeoff by SPV clients, but not acceptable for full node clients which are expected to be secure on their own."
mircea_popescu: derp ? how is "secure on its own" work when you're not actually looking at confirms ? nonsense alreadyt.
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mircea_popescu: he has an excess of will and a shortage of intelligence.
mircea_popescu: the fate of such folk, especially when unparented, is fundamentally speaking the
mircea_popescu: what was that group of idiots that died of hunger/ate each other in nevada ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nice paste, for it includes the fee schedule huh.,
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 17:11:24; liquidassets: Pete, you're like a hero to me, please don't make me call you a punk again.
mircea_popescu: "We exposed ourselves to a huge single point of failure called Facebook. I’ve ranted for years about how bad an idea it is for startups to be mobile-carrier dependent. In retrospect, there is no difference between Verizon Wireless and Facebook in this context."
pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347332 << not quite the same. for weed, sellers just have to be 'licensed' ; whereas with drivers ed, sounds like dutch are putting the teacher in control and letting him separate the lemma from the palea so that he's not forced to bang mayo-gendered just because girl can't pay any other way
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 17:26:13; asciilifeform: buy? walk. sell? jail
mircea_popescu: "oh... there's no difference between that velociraptor that ate my arm, and that other velociraptor that ate my arm. wanna come play with my velociraptor ? no ? what do you mean no!"
mircea_popescu: "We could have and should have used the proceeds of the convertible note to get out from under Facebook’s thumb rather to invest further in the Facebook Platform."
mircea_popescu: nobody said the life on the farm ain't easier, prikoke.
mircea_popescu: i was under the impression something else's discussed there.
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 17:32:44; asciilifeform: is renart ben_vulpes's 'ascii_field' or wat
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 17:35:45; asciilifeform: and can anybody recall where i got the notion that ottomans had headless races? (two prisoners run past swordsmen, heads chopped, hot iron 'thumb tacks' inserted in stumps, bodies keep running)
pete_dushenski: the level of graphicness of that depiction makes me think it wasn't even in engligh
pete_dushenski:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347412 << to the extent that the disadvantage of having kids is inflexibility and increased desire for a fixed locality, and that the advantage of renting is the ability to bounce from place to place with relatively low friction, then yes. but the other advantages of renting, namely financial (repair costs, downside of housing market, unproductive use of large amou
☝︎ pete_dushenski: nt of capital), are retained regardless of the presence or absence of children
pete_dushenski: there's also nothing stopping tenants and landlords to signing 5-year leases
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: most rental apartments specify no pets because it's a whole building policy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so simple as all that, not really. what, you leave water running each week, landlord fixes ?
assbot: Logged on 07-12-2015 23:34:54; mircea_popescu: and if you want actual numbers, i just got a coupla girlies an apt. the sale value would have been i guess 160-170k or so. the monthly rent is 750. the first month, the washing machine went, and the owner replaced it. the next month, ac went (brother was that an incredible pos job wow), owner replaced it. so far owner's been making 0 from his property.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski most of your "repairs" expenses when you have kids are sadly not of this kind.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform insurance co does not give you new matressess because kid pissed it ; nor new shoes because dog chewed them.
pete_dushenski: and new mattresses and shoes will be required regardless of rent or own
pete_dushenski: american flats don't come with mattresses omfg << even if they did, no one would use them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, seriously, the only time i rented in that part of the world, place came with complete everything. boxsprings.
mircea_popescu: maybe i should dig out / give you comp details or something ?!
pete_dushenski: mattress industry is everywhere present because it has huge margins and everyone wants a better night's sleep, which also means foregoing someone else's bed bugs
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ben_vulpes: a trb node doing much of anything at all is pretty slow to respond to local api requests.
ben_vulpes: other than listening for new blocks in steady state in my experience.
ben_vulpes: well i'm yes? ing about the black hole.
ben_vulpes: just to be sure i'm on the same page, this 'hang' eventually ends when the node completely processes the block?
TomServo: I'm unable to get a matching sha256sum on 0.5.4-TEST2 [x86-64] [Latest] at thebitcoin.foundation - could anyone confirm?
TomServo: I do get a match on 0.5.3 and 0.5.3.1, perhaps I'm doing something wrong?
BingoBoingo: classmate in college held "fundraiser" in college after game show tricked her into taking pink and green SUV instead of money
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 19:56:10; asciilifeform: over here it is called 'extended stay hotel' and is much as mircea_popescu describes.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and while you're hanging, everybody who was connected ~to you~ has a hanging socket << yeah it propagates holes.
BingoBoingo: I'm surprised no one on the Luke-Jr derpity herp herp reddit thread pointed out you are supposed to wait for 6 confirmations
mircea_popescu: they don't want that part of bitcoin anymore. it's "blockchain technologies" now as far as reddit is concered, with spv mining, 0tx fees and hopefully increasing block subsidies in the future.
mircea_popescu: in other news, "Tutorspree didn’t scale because we were single channel dependent and that channel shifted on us radically and suddenly. SEO was baked into our model from the start, and it became increasingly important to the business as we grew and evolved. In our early days, and during Y Combinator, we didn’t have money to spend on acquisition. SEO was free so we focused on it and got good at it.
mircea_popescu: That worked brilliantly for us. We acquired users for practically nothing by using the content and site structure generated as a byproduct of our tutor acquisition. However, that success was also a trap. It convinced us that there had to be another channel that would perform for us at the level of SEO.
mircea_popescu: In our first year, that conviction drove our experiments with a series of other channels: PPC, partnerships, deals, guerilla type tactics, targeted mailings, craigslist posting tools, etc. Each experiment produced results inferior to those from SEO. The acquisition costs through those channels were significantly higher than what was allowable based on our revenue per customers. We also found that potential customers co
mircea_popescu: ming through PPC were converted at a lower rate than those originating through SEO. Even as we sharpened our targeting, experimented with messaging, and sought advice and consulting from more experienced parties, we found that paid channels just weren’t good enough to merit real focus."
mircea_popescu: but hey... "online advertising is an industree. because google "makes revenue" from it, which is to say some people recycle bezzle funds through there and everyone outside actually believes someone somewhere paid 5bn for ppc.
jurov: shinohai: first read it. there are atrocities like CBlockIndex[400000] buried there.
mircea_popescu: "From the comfort of the backyard cabin we moved to big city San Francisco and faced the totally hopeless situation of finding a place to live. We survived the first two weeks by renting office space at Tradeshift and sleeping on their couches at night. Not sure if they ever found that out. Finally we managed to get a 9 m2/97 sqft room through our Y-Combinator network. Rent $1,250. Dang! But since we had free office sp
mircea_popescu: ace from our friends at OneLogin, our burnrate wasn’t yet gone through the roof. But close.."
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jurov: while i was on it, 3 days vanished in blur
mircea_popescu: somehow this gargle thing works do. it does something. it drives the kids loco.
jurov: (note i'm not employed. these were full days. and still far from result)
mircea_popescu: there's a reason nobody really touched the spaghetti monster in five years jurov and this'd be that reason.
ben_vulpes: i've almost forgotten how painful it is. i can tell because i'm itching to muntz further.
mircea_popescu: 98.x% of my contribution as far as fucking up my own tech dept goes to date has been variations of "STOP WITH THE DAMNED CODE" and such.
mircea_popescu: i am firmly convinced that you can lose an entire team of engineers in there, permanently.
mircea_popescu: gotta very carefully do raids and incursisions with a clear retreat plan.
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mircea_popescu: this is not a sprint. it's not even a marathon. the most important thing, by a large margin, is plox don't kill yourselves fighting with it. if anyone goes "i'll tend to my ulcer once i sorted out THIS thing", that someone's going to be remembered as naggum 2.
mircea_popescu: so work hygienically. diligence is good, hygiene is non-negotiable.
jurov: well. the nastiest smell i felt was from std::map, so i suggest to approach that one next.
shinohai: Also asciilifeform ty for Programmable Version Strings patch
jurov: they are deallocated. but malloc won't give it back to teh system
jurov: asciilifeform: std::map is biggest problem that the actual tx+its script
jurov: it rebalances a tree often, creating yet bigger mess
mircea_popescu: and odds are std::map is not even correctly implemented, and we don't even know exactly where.
mircea_popescu: but you surely recall the original discussions of "bitcoin-as-filesystem" as a precursor to bitcoin-os
jurov: i'm completely fine with 70% - filled hashtable
jurov: even a filesystem won't get much better
mircea_popescu: jurov honestly i think the original design intent was that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is an infelicity of puberty. we can't do anything about that yet.
mircea_popescu: bitchslapping the redditards "we need free shit because that's what we're worth" is one thing. actually making txn cost what they cost is a whole other can of whipass.
mircea_popescu: std::vector<char, zero_after_free_allocator<char> >::operator=(std::vector<char, zero_after_free_allocator<char> > const&) [55]
jurov: ^ and that vector thing in the third place was the bignum idiocy
mircea_popescu: ie, a perfectly solid solution to the problem of tx price.
mircea_popescu: in a thoroughly tangential tangent : CRYPTO_malloc is likely as porous as thin gauze.
jurov: mircea_popescu: it's aliased to malloc
jurov: but that version did not have openssl compiled with debug
jurov: however, there *is* some special context management for temporary operations on bignums
jurov: not looked closer yet
mircea_popescu: heh. how do you tell google to look inside source of code packages ?
jurov: it does some dance, but in the end calls malloc every time
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform slowly. just like the contradiction between "don't hurt the woman" and "she bleeds" is resolved in practice3.
mircea_popescu: jurov introducing various crashes along the way and a whole pile of complex strange.
mircea_popescu: but yes it would, in typical manner of the shitgnomerism that it is, exist solely as a leech-wrapper on something else.
mircea_popescu: it wouldn'\t do any work, just... you know, supervize.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: how's your libressl node faring?
mircea_popescu: what would it take for you to plug your only penis in the folds of a new hussy ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google m-ai facut din om neom, cind ma pis ma tin de pom.
jurov notes down reminder to always scan pubic area for wot signatures
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: LibreSSL node also runs with ~1GB of ram utilized at startup after last BDB locks patch because OpenBSD malloc something or other
mircea_popescu: just making the point that he's got a single appendage, still sticks it into strange.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Also still on OpenBSD 5.7 don't know if 5.8's introduced new weird
punkman: well you gotta write it then
mircea_popescu: the only strange thing is this guy HASNT already joined the mujahedeen
mircea_popescu: you know alf, they're the only people that agree everything sucks.
punkman: what was that other one hmm
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punkman: there's an ada crypto library that does EC
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mircea_popescu: mortgage has actually a very respectable history of unhinging idiots from their own money.
punkman: been reading more Ada at odd intervals, keeps getting weirder
mircea_popescu: it was, historically, the principal instrument used by the burgeoisie to lynch the aristocracy
mircea_popescu: the beauty of it is that it does more indirectly than directly.
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY the same mechanism. nobody is about to ask his dearly beloved wife
mircea_popescu: "listen you dumb cunt, who the fuck told you must deserve a roof over your head, can't just wash stuff by hand in the river ?"
mircea_popescu: similarly, the 9th earl of dumbass couldn't readily say "so what if the marquis of idiot has six horses pulling his cart ?"
mircea_popescu: once it starts liquidating privilege, it can't practically be stopped. network effects.
mircea_popescu: nope. that's the problem. at the end you just get the burgeois desert.
PeterL: liberates the stupid from their money, lets the smart take over?
mircea_popescu: anyway, jp had same problem - excised it. for as long as kept it out... survived.
mircea_popescu: PeterL more often than not, a different flavour of stupid.
mircea_popescu: now look : you can't dismiss that thing just because it exists.
punkman: it's even in C without the ++
mircea_popescu: it has good reasons to exist, which are exactly what we're discussing here.
punkman: they are putting it in next version iirc
mircea_popescu: Intended to be portable to any system with a C89 compiler and uint64_t support. << a large part of why it'd be large.
PeterL: I thought c was supposed to be portable, why would you have to bloat code to make it go on different systems?
mircea_popescu: why would you want to have this stupid website and not any sort of x-referencing, line counting, nothing ?
punkman: and even comments per line
mircea_popescu: why does it know to make "default_illegal_callback_fn" in "static void default_illegal_callback_fn(const char* str, void* data) {" lioght blue
mircea_popescu: "here's a list of all oither lines where this string appears"
punkman: asciilifeform: can anybody tell me WHY ? << well it says it right there, because rfc6979
mircea_popescu: and sure, graph would be nice, but just a damned list ? really ?
punkman: we had a few threads about deterministic k etc
ben_vulpes: because github is a thing sillyconvalley bizwrapper around a versoncontrolatroncumhoster for people who don't actually want to or know how to use computers
ben_vulpes: "show the non-technicals what the nerds are doing! with color!"
ben_vulpes: for only ten dollars per user per month
ben_vulpes does not even look at that bill any more, $ragetax simply not worthwhile
mircea_popescu: hence the massive "coding streak" and other "productivity' measures, as if coding is a sort of stationary bicycle and who knows, "maybe you wanna know" aka "your boss does"
mircea_popescu: maybe i want to sort this list of packages by TOTAL COUNT OF REFERENCES. how about that!
assbot: signature - Problems with deterministic ECDSA based on RFC6979 in Bitcoin - Bitcoin Stack Exchange ... (
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mircea_popescu: i wish to pick which pissing app to use by how many times the alternatives call std::anything.
ben_vulpes: remind me to tell y'all about the ios build toolchain plugin that makes curl calls ON COMPILE
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the idea is that it's not random, so you don't get two data points, so you can't use the particular leak thing\
mircea_popescu: but "nobody could determine this" because "we seed with text. AND KEY!!!!1"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yes you see it needs the debug symbols transmitted to some leprous SaaS thing for in-the-field device debugging
ben_vulpes: symbols which it CAN ONLY GET ON COMPILE apparently.
ben_vulpes: include this 'pod' in your ios build, get HTTP calls on project compile.
ben_vulpes: there isn't much of a separation of concerns in the ios toolchain.
ben_vulpes: there is a big user-friendly button: "run this on my ipnohe or in the simulat0r"
ben_vulpes: can always rip pod out temporarily, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: it had yet to be shitted up by the rubros.
mircea_popescu: proper hell punishment would be to have to debug this shit.
ben_vulpes: 6 american regular, 6 small, 5, 5s, the whole gamut.
ben_vulpes: yes well, life in pursuit of 'kwalidee'
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punkman: asciilifeform: but did they need to have two dozen TVs for testing?
BingoBoingo: <punkman> they are putting it in next version iirc << Signing tx with since 0.10 iirc
punkman: "I actually have two implementations of example malicious signers: One produces non-deterministic signatures and leaks a 256 bit private key, to the holder of a specific public key and no one else, in ~33 signatures with very high probability (failure rate of 1 in 1000 for 33 signatures, around 1 in a million for 34). The other produces a seemingly RFC 6979 like deterministic signatures and
☟︎ punkman: with a single signature leaks the current private key, and with 16 signatures leaks an additional 256 bit secret (e.g. a master private key, with a failure rate of around 1:1000 for 16 signatures, ~1:1e6 for 17 signatures)." interesting
BingoBoingo: But electrum ecsda only has to sign transaction, not verify the BritneyChain
punkman: BingoBoingo: perhaps a good project for students, dump all the blocks from a therealbitcoin node, verify sigs with python-ecdsa or other
mircea_popescu: "My presentation was ok. The mandatory Q&A afterwards was horrible. The only two people in the room that we hadn’t gotten prior support from were skeptical to say the least. As I left the room I was shattered. And as my contact at Accelerace didn’t call me later on that day I knew where it was going. My chairman didn’t either. Not a good sign. I left messages and they didn’t return my calls. In the afternoon I
mircea_popescu: had a speaking engagement in the other end of the country, pitching to a huge room full of potential customers. It was an absurd experience. I was crumbling on the inside but had to pose confidently. " << why the fuck ? just... why ? nobody ever asks this. "i had to lie". really ? why did you have to lie ?
mircea_popescu: "after dropping them off I sat in the rental car staring at air. Crying. Feelings of fear, anger, self-righteousness and uncertainty overwhelmed me." << he has all the patience to consider all the inept minutia of his gender-confused identity. he has not the slightest fucking shred of interest or self-awareness to go "hey, waitasecond, why do i gotta lie again ?"
mircea_popescu: why does ecc.c include string.h or should't i be asking these sorts of questions ?
mircea_popescu: "c thinks arrays are strings, mp" "oh i see, makes sense"
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 does yours (or anybody else's) 'v' verify the hashes ? << mine uses the vpatch hashes to build the dep map
☟︎ mod6: so no, it does not verify them.
mod6: at least mine doesn't.
mod6: if it does, I may have overlooked that somehow.
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BingoBoingo: And Aaron encouraged the Hebrew people to make a new God of gold rather than Bitcoin while Moses was on Mount Sinai verifying the Godchain
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mircea_popescu: there were no "reasonable" objections to pirate, either.
mircea_popescu: or to marquardt's little glbse insider-trading scam back in the day.
mircea_popescu: thanks the gods above for "reasonable", especially if it can be made to mean "the wolves agree"?
mircea_popescu: speaking of which... we're not expecting a sec investigation, right ? because got better things to do, right ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, birdy on my shoulder whispers that what's meant by "reasonable" certainly is "reasoned". yes, there are no reasoned objections, chiefly because fuck you, that's why.
mircea_popescu: i've had it with this age of bullshit-reason where you gotta explain things to idiots with a first-paragraph-of-many-wikipedia-articles education as if everything can, or indeed should, be put in those terms.
☟︎☟︎ punkman: I think we've listed various reasoned objections here
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mircea_popescu: im not aware anyone undertook the effort to write an equivalent of january's "here's the list of gavin xt idiocies and their rebuttals", 10k words over 3 articles sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: certainly the muppets can not be expected to figure things out, so...
mircea_popescu: ever since they came up with the idiotic notion of a vulgate, you're stuck playing the calvin. fuck that.
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punkman: the basic idea of segwit is not bad, should have been there from the start, without the "softfork" complexity, no ANYONECANPAY-looking crap, without making another merkle tree, without blocksize discounts and enlargements, without planning to use it as a vehicle for future "painless" shitgnovation
☟︎ mircea_popescu: point remains : as far as bitcoin is concerned, the thing is as irrelevant as the messages blockchain.info keeps "tagging" transactions with. the people who have no business in bitcoin but for whatever emotional/psychogenic reasons are misrepresented or misrepresenting themselves as involved WILL necessarily find a way out. there's just no way to stay attached if you;'re not attached.
mircea_popescu: as far as the faux users were concerned, this was stated as obvious in 2012.
mircea_popescu: as far as the faux developers are concerned, it's rather obvious that even people with just a little ego will nevertheless necesitate the psychological maneuver of working themselves out of it through "projects" rather than just stopping.
mircea_popescu: yes, a sane power ranger would have quit back in 2013, when mpoe-pr published that post on tardstalk.
mircea_popescu: but they're kids, with the life experience, intellectual/emotional maturity and general bandwidth of the average pubescent afghan. so... takes a little longer.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to round off that luke-jr inanity from before : you can't "fork off" the real bitcoin. yeah, you can maybe make it appear (to yourself) that you have a coupla confirms. it costs you more than you have anyway, and nobody looks at hte shit you look at, so it's mostly an exercise in masturbation. expensive, but ultimately pointless.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, YOU being forked off the real bitcoin can happen quite easily, and is incurable. so you think "you sent bitcoin" ? i don't see it.
mircea_popescu: fuck you, go talk to whoever you wanna talk to about it. unless it shows up in MY chain, it never happened.
mircea_popescu: but hey, they're fiat-based leeches and think in terms of "can i sell this bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: little conception of how the actual bitcoin people see things.