mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for the ada link
pete_dushenski: davout: cheers. you're probably not the only one who would've preferred known and (somewhat) trusted owner vs. unknown quantity, but hey money talks and bullshit walks.
mod6: btw, these logs could use a hh:mm:ss ts on the front
mod6: glad to be back reading the logs though.
mod6: so cheers for getting them up and going. :]
davout: BingoBoingo: the "highest bid at 86 Bitcoin" link has extra spaces
mod6: mircea_popescu: ooh. huh. no wonder i didn't see it.
davout: BingoBoingo: half fixed
mircea_popescu: davout to try and get a final settlement here, i owe you 199.45006789, add to which 13.37 ; you owe me 86 for to be distributed to the shareholders, add to which 4.83378422 from the hotwallet, add to which 3.35043347 (335.04334737×.01), comes to 118.63585027 altogether. that sound right ? winner pay you yet ?
☟︎ BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not in the name as he presented it with the winning bid
BingoBoingo: davout: I am not seeing extra spaces in there
mircea_popescu: in a stroke of incomprehensible, ancient beings brilliance, minimal value of bitbet as established by signed contract in 2012 (100 btc) is almost within 10% of liquidation value of bitbet as established by free market / receiver, of ~89.35.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: ya, that's weird, i guess i goes by both ?
davout: mircea_popescu: lemme check all that tomorrow when i'm fully woken up :D
davout: the payment has just arrived
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I am tentatively adding the t as per davout's announcement
mod6: leibniz invented that mechanical calculator right?
BingoBoingo: davout: Now it should be fixed, but I do not see anything wrong with hyperlink extending to trailing space.
mod6: like early 17th century?
mod6: oh, yeah, probably not the first or anything.
mod6: for his dad's accounting practice or what not...
mircea_popescu: in truth clockworkery had been a slowly evolving craft since greek antiquity.
mod6: ah yeah, i read about all of this recently because of our discussions lately.
mod6: meanwhile, the 30 years war raged
mod6: got off on that tangent too
mod6: yeah, thats the thing
mod6: oh yeah, leibniz created the 'stepped reckoner' right?
mod6: maybe i was smoking crack. got him a bit confused with pascal and the war, and the accounting bit
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: like soap, once a few people start using it...
danielpbarron: i'm not convinced putting so much signed material out there was even the right way to have done that..
mod6: is it a real thing about turing and the HH thing?
mircea_popescu: "yes" only means something among the sort of idiots that'd take that.
mod6: i mean, did that happen?
mircea_popescu: ideally the way to do this is, auction master gives out a hash, everyone must include it
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: but i imagine davout has been taking notes on how to do this ; and for sure a good question in any future receiver selection will be "what have you learned from bitbet liquidation process"
mod6: maybe im not talking about the same thing... turing, while trying to crack enigma
mod6: i understand that he realized many cipher text messages were signed with "HH" at the end.
mod6: such is a bad idea to sign small amounts of text, grunts, w/e
mod6: sure. good habits are hard to form, bad habits are hard to break. etc.
deedbot: mthreat voiced for 30 minutes.
mthreat: jeez i take a little trip and there's a revolution
gribble: Current Blocks: 406236 | Current Difficulty: 1.668515132827772E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 407231 | Next Difficulty In: 995 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 47 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2730.74, vol: 18421.94310000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2730.74
mod6: asciilifeform: this guys introduction to Ada looks like a really good tut.
phf: i've been getting a lot of not founds to those urls, so hopefully some of the bots are now going to be satisfied
ben_vulpes: mod6: i have a trashy pdf copy of dodrill's 95 ada instructional material. lmk if you want a copy.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: much like the language in its explicitness.
davout: ben_vulpes trinque mats ty, fixed. this particular flavour of retardation has been shot in the head
jurov: (see $currentline-2 in the btcbase log)
☟︎ jurov: and the lmao line is badly escaped, too
mircea_popescu: davout> ben_vulpes trinque mats ty, fixed. this particular flavour of retardation has been shot in the head << making it the... 5th ? since bitbet receivership brought serious republican scrutiny to franco.is blog ?
deedbot: wywialm voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
wywialm: i haven't yet got the hang of deedbot voicing
mircea_popescu: you pm it $up and decrypt the otp it gives you, then pass it back with $v <result>
wywialm: ah, ok, similarly to the previous assbot
wywialm: could you please share what are the plans for MPEx future, besides what has already been revealed at the announcement? in particular, S.MPOE produced majority of volume. Are there any plans to increase the activity on other stocks?
mircea_popescu: wywialm you familiar with that buffett quote about volume ?
wywialm: i'm familiar in general on his views on not having a liquid market available, but cannot recall the quote
mircea_popescu: well, there's plenty. one went something like "to call a party with low capital and high transacted volume an investor is not unlike calling a guy in a dirty overcoat that stalks women and jacks off a romantic".
wywialm: i didn't even know this one
mircea_popescu: another's what he said to the berkshire market maker, ie that if the next trade happens next quarter he'll be happy.
mircea_popescu: the idea here is that mpex is a strictly correct and strictly complete reflection of bitcoin business, such as it is.
mircea_popescu: if one's not happy with the volume thereof, one's only recourse is to start a business.
mircea_popescu: attempting to "create business" from the position of the central bank is both stupid and a doomed enterprise.
mircea_popescu: taking mpex private resolves the last possible avenue for derps to argue about this point.
wywialm: indeed it does. but without liquid (or at least 'fairly liquid') stocks, there can be no derivatives market on top of them (no hedging available at reasonable price).
mircea_popescu: and without a solid protocol there can be no serious interest in cryptocurrency.
wywialm: also, the interest of a shareholder in a public company is not always in line with the exchange's. And exchange can encourage volume or discourage it.
mircea_popescu: while these facts are exactly that - facts ; the situation remains what it is. lots of people working to fix it, of course, but until it's fixed it's not fixed.
mircea_popescu: historically, or at least in my read of history, anything but neutral resulted in destruction of value from a secular perspective.
wywialm: i hope you are right in this case.
mircea_popescu: if anything, the bitbet experience has taught me that i had been erring in the supportive direction, at any rate.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: apparently even the slightest insulation from risk is bound to be misinterpreted in the most extensively insane sense. i have nfi how the fed chairman sleeps at night.
mircea_popescu: but, currently, i am not even convinced the possibility of hedging is actually a wealth increaser.
wywialm: it is certainly in some situations a wealth-preserver (or not wealth decreaser). as with any insurance, it comes at a cost
mircea_popescu: the immediate correlate of "oh, i can distribute my risk to unknown parties" is, "i'll right now!! put less thought into the matter proportionately". however, whether the risk distribution works or does not work is not actually known, or even computed, now. this impedance causes trouble.
jurov: yeah, right, let us eschew insulation from risk and send out zero fee transactions, lest it be misinterpreted!
mircea_popescu: wywialm you might be familiar with the unpopular office of the censor in the roman empire. his job was principally to deny women, 2nd class citizens with very little self-expression debuchees allowed by society outside of conspicuous consumption, the use of luxurious products.
wywialm: in a general sense, we can expoit less than 1 correlation among different assets, bets or scenarios
mircea_popescu: the reason was very strictly that, obviously, if you pay ten aurei for a nice purple, and then wear it off, you WILL be ten aureii less rich.
mircea_popescu: jurov i have nfi why the peanut gallery got stuck on "0 fee tx", and i have nfi why you particularly wanna paint yourself in those colors, but w/e.
wywialm: yes i am familiar with the censor
mircea_popescu: what's next, we're gonna discuss whether "obama is for the people" ?
mircea_popescu: wywialm well, the idea is that what people want and what people need rarely meet.
mircea_popescu: obvious why people want insurance. unobvious that such a thing is even possible.
wywialm: i certainly agree with that observation
mircea_popescu: yes, it is frequerntly implemented. but always as a ponzi to date.
mod6: (04:07) <+ben_vulpes> mod6: i have a trashy pdf copy of dodrill's 95 ada instructional material. lmk if you want a copy. << sure! hit me with a link or we can talk in pm if you wanna exchange in other method.
☟︎ wywialm: nevertheless, in a very general sense, any action involves taking specific risks and avoiding others. Say, me not invested in S.BBET successfully insulated me from the risk of it going into receivership
mircea_popescu: successful insulation is another way to say economically dead, really.
mircea_popescu: or i guess more properly : "you'll be economically insulated when you're dead."
wywialm: yes, it is not possible to be insulated from anything and stay 'active' in any meaningful way, but it doesn't mean that you can be exposed to everything or that one shouldn't choose carefully what risks to take and from which to insulate.
mircea_popescu: this is the defense against the risks problem above usually deemed as rational. the problem here is that this in practice always devolves to a sort of "when confronted with the number e, i wish to be insulated from the part past the decimal point and underwrite the part before the decimal point".
mircea_popescu: this splitting works for definedrisks. it can never work when you want to put defined risks in one pile and undefinable risks in the other pile.
☟︎ wywialm: oh, yes, we certainly agree on that point. one cannot trade something which is not an asset.
mircea_popescu: even if it were a liability, but it must be specified.
wywialm: but i suspect we may come close to a sort of tautology quite soon
mircea_popescu: so in this sense the "split risks so i only undertake what i want to" works well in theory and on paper, but it is in practice always devolved to a luzly idiocy like "the gauss copula", direct equivalent to yesterday's discussion re the problem of computers
wywialm: it still works when you realize that you have to invest in something and there is no risk-free asset
mircea_popescu: this "realize" is of the nature of "you have to understand we love you", ie, entirely devoid of cognitive content. it is a bit of propaganda one has to accept. ok, so they accept it - or don't. fine. what now ?
mircea_popescu: how is it, for that matter, different from "you have to accept, as a hyip investor, that it's not really an investment".
wywialm: in a hyip world, you have to 'invest' something that is at least a bit worthwhile to scam it from you, which means that there is at least one non-hyip asset and holding it without investing is an investment decision. holding this asset (e.g. USD) is not itself risk-free, but insulates you from hyip risk and exposes you to other risks
mircea_popescu: wait, and it's not worthwhile for the social security administration to scam it from you ?
wywialm: that's why 'it exposes you to other risks'
mircea_popescu: there's no executive priviledge vested in anyone but myself. if the president of the united states and some low life in niger say the same thing, they ARE the same thing.
mircea_popescu: i and i alone benefit from the priviledge of calling it "other risks". not them.
wywialm: yes, i'm looking from the investor's perspective (or at least try to)
mircea_popescu: well, from the investor's perspective, "you have to accept that this is bullshit anyway" is the same thing in either case.
wywialm: not all bullshits are made equal
mircea_popescu: maybe. but this suddenly is a different discussion than the lofty place we started.
mircea_popescu: indeed, not all bullshits are made equal ; and supposedly the market might help distinguish. maybe so.
mircea_popescu: but once the market is both predicated on and discerning the bullshit, you have constructed a very unstable circularity.
wywialm: i still hold that is not possible that every asset is a scam
mircea_popescu: which, as a sidepoint, is exactly why increased integration (aka, globalisation) comes with exponentially increased instability.
mircea_popescu: with less integration, the respective bullshits can at least be somewhat measured against each other on the fx markets.
wywialm: but while it is possible that there is only one bullshit (global currency) it is not possible that the number of currencies equals number of economic and political entitites
☟︎ mircea_popescu: wywialm i sympathize with the "not every asset is a scam angle". but consider say apple. could it buy russia ?
mircea_popescu: "it's not a scam, it's a meaningless paper construction built by people who weren't evil, just wrong, and who should have known better but didn't" ?
☟︎ wywialm: of course there are limits to corporate valuation based on marginal transactions and comparison of this valuation to total nominal spending of final goods aka GDP
wywialm: and these limits are obvious once you start comparing apples and russias
mircea_popescu: let's make it even worse. suppose tomorrow its governmental sponsor announces that it is "under investigation" for "violations". you know for a fact they can steal any amount from its coffers, liek they did with say jpm.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: for the simple reason that they put it there in the first place.
mircea_popescu: suppose, alternatively, that tomorrow china declares that apple is banned as a terrorist organisation, and no azn corp can do business with them.
wywialm: yes, indeed this is why economic power is no power at all unless explicitly (but not always consciously) involved in politics
wywialm: as in your 'millionaire' essay, cash is of no political significance unless its holder or political institutions around him makes it political
mircea_popescu: something like that. at least in macro terms, cash is not much more or much else than a right to organise activity.
mircea_popescu: and motherfucker this black chocolate with almods thing is to die for.
mircea_popescu: anyway - back to the scam thing briefly - bitcoin does in fact deliver on its "best economics lab ever devised" role, for they capable and willing to look. the whole "didn't start out as a scam" thing that is pretty much the universal rule of fiat anything, played itself more obviously, more rapidly, in the hands of more naive people less versed in covering it up.
mircea_popescu: you'll be hard pressed to find a fiat corp today that is anything but another pirate ; and even fifty years ago you'd have been hard pressed to find a fiat corp that wasn't a sort of bASIC from our friend tom with blood and tears.
mircea_popescu: and HAD you found it, it'd have been some family venture ran either by the hardass patriarch that founded it, or else by an exactly cloned son.
wywialm: yes, it is quite insightful to look at corporate papers as a national currency. Both are composed from a liquidity premium and a claim on some assets. In case of national currencies, the liquidity premium is very large and claim on central bank's assets very weak, but not nonexistent
wywialm: the quality or even existence of those assets are a separate thing
mircea_popescu: just as soon as the damage done to a hated third party (here, the russians and especially the saudis) exceeds the damage done to the item itself, it's 100%.
mircea_popescu: i am for my needs persuaded that strictly the only reason germany does not today confiscate every fixed good in current possession of its peon population is that the net result is deemed less than continuing with the current nonsense.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: once that changes - they'll take it all. and i don't mean houses and cars, i mean blood and livers. they also have a market value.
wywialm: well, they once tried that
wywialm: and in Poland it won't be easily forgotten
mircea_popescu: the important point, at least to my eyes, is that exactly nothing has changed.
wywialm: this view seems to be increasingly more prevalent, lately, in particular in connection to their solving of the recent EU problems
mircea_popescu: ah, but i don';t mean it re germany specifically. could have said france or italy just as well. what i mean is, that a "rule of law" bureaucratic government with an economic presence is strictly speaking the nazi party irrespective of any consideration, chief on the list what they say or think they want.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this entire fiat sovereignity bullshit has to end, and the sooner the better. preferably before it does yet another rendition of its signature stupidity.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in typical republican fashion, while everyone else was sleeping we got together and shat a few hundred lines of heavy duty material into the logs. go us!
phf: oh hello, we're talking about language
mircea_popescu: let the permanent record indelibly state that you people are driving me to drink. it is not even noon here, and what started as "shit i need breakfast to keep up with this guy. and some chocolate. more chocolate" is by now my 2nd glass of cognac.
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 3 by 1 connections.
mircea_popescu: btw phf you gonna document what the little blue graph on top of pages even is ?
mircea_popescu: i imagine you did some speccing work since you bid huh.
phf: mircea_popescu: if i end up finding it at all useful, i will. i used spacing to indicate when were the active parts of day, so i'm trying this graph to provide an equivalent functionality. it's a number of messages/hour of day histogram
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's one dispute to be had. i doubt very much hitler was anything but a center of mass. yes roosevelt intuited that since he wants the bureaucracy, the right move is to blame hitler, and yes churchill went along with it. but in point of fact...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform should the performance not be avoided, for it not being avoidable or for any other reason, such as that i feel like blood that morning, the bill will be paid, both here and in heaven, by the fiat governments and no one else.
mircea_popescu: guy underwent a white supremacist conversion in prison. (which is not particularly surprising - gotta make some friends somehow!)
mircea_popescu: "He was convicted of violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act and faced 41 months in prison, but the sentence was overturned." reheheheallly. what ever happeend to "he was wrongfully prosecuted by X and unlawfully imprisoned for 41 months before the people finally came to their senses" ?
mircea_popescu: or is that not how you say usg dun goofed in usg.agitprop
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> guy underwent a white supremacist conversion in prison. (which is not particularly surprising - gotta make some friends somehow!) << He was kinda a play white supremacist before prison for the lulz. Switch was flipped in prison.
mircea_popescu: here's how spears work : they have a business end and a handle. the handle - always points toward you. the business end - always points to the enemy.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: thus therefore, he was wrongfully convicted on a technicality.
mircea_popescu: no idea wtf they must be thinking - poor woman should get free tampons from strangers rather than become the domestic servant / slave / whatever of a not-poor woman ? or sex toy of a man ? or or or ?
mircea_popescu: this "need therefore get" bs is inane already. "need therefore labour"!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i would *love* a copy of that
BingoBoingo: Infrastructure is being taken over by deviant perverts!
BingoBoingo: What's yet another credit card break when this is happening.
BingoBoingo: anyways asciilifeform 1. Furfags don't have a Turing or a Jurov to redeem them
BingoBoingo: 3. Some people here are now parents and need the warning
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What else do people listen to when driving around the big prison?
BingoBoingo: Spotify and Pandora don't have live traffic updates
BingoBoingo: But what if natural gas life is ignited by construction derps along your commute route?
jurov: til BingoBoingo takes exception not only with fatties, but also with furries?
BingoBoingo: jurov: Also the only Furry I know anywhere near bitcoin is that fellow who does the mycellium fungus wallet marketing
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: We don't usually get massive pileups and these pipe explosions are infrequent. House explosions happen anywhere orcs are allowed to go feral while playing homeowner
BingoBoingo: Anyways this is perhaps the most apt summary of journalism ever: "I kind of like the idea that he’s taught himself not to look because if he looks it’s just neverending, right? You have to know when, as Superman, when to intervene and when not to. Or not when not to, you can’t be everywhere at once, literally you can’t be everywhere at once, so he has to be really selective in a weird way about where he chooses to interfere."
trinque: hats off to everyone who didn't get caught like this guy.
BingoBoingo: This reminds me of the mcdonalds monopoly promotion where the $$$ prizes all went to friends and relatives of the vendor doing the printing for years before they were caught
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But the printing vendor did
pete_dushenski: had a dream last night that znort woulda gladly paid twice what he did. man alive are these ex post rationalisation engines humming.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Get a saw and go outside. Clear some brush and your mind?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: just outta curiosity, how were you going to run the thing?
BingoBoingo: I kinda though he was going to use BBet to teach pantagruel and himself how to code
ben_vulpes: (b-dog, amusingly, a nickname of mine from the nineties)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: bbet was established player. hard to replicate. "go build own mpex" about as useful.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Maybe you can buy Betmoose?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: it's going to be 15C+ today, so the bicycle is getting dusted off fo sho. sorta does the same job as hacktimesawtime
BingoBoingo: And then finally rename contravex to MooseCawks!!!
☟︎ pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: ha! if i knew you'd be open to the idea, i mighta bet more ;)
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: hacksaw is exactly wrong saw to use outdoors on brush
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: the pantacode angle crossed my mind actually
BingoBoingo: For outdoor brush clearing you want either a chainsaw, reciprocating saw with appropriate blade, or good old fashioned crosscut saw.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: and hack (with axe) then saw (with two-man lumberjack specialsaw) not hacksaw
deedbot: DonaldTrumpOfBTC voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: DonaldTrumpOfBTC voiced for 30 minutes.
DonaldTrumpOfBTC: should the most senile republic of bitcoin build a firewall to keep chinese miners out?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I told you Trump was just a clinton stooge
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: anyways, at a management level i had in mind to increase the vig/fee and hold on to house bet winnings in an effort to increase revenue to compensate for mistaken txen, resolutions, etc., obviously appreciating that this may, at least initially, discourage some users. was also going to tag in some meatwot to assist with moderation and actively scour meatwot for potential bookies. toyed with th
pete_dushenski: e idea of changing min 0conf but never quite resolved that quandary myself... alas. it was going to be a steep learning curve to be sure, but i was up for the challenge.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell shinohai pls to write up lottery rng shennaniganz
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i think you're better off asking ivanka trump to write for qntra than shinohai. he just doesn't wanna, it seems.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Clintons can't write for qntra
ben_vulpes: mwell, was nominating stan. wouldn'ta been averse to it myself.
BingoBoingo: Well whoever want lottery RBG story can take it. I'm not finding a sufficient outrage to attack it.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> all non-wot is anti-wot << No. People outside the WoT can still be renown as especially evil.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i momentarily considered stan as an operational partner, but then quickly recalled the ongoing s.nsa saga and how it's basically made "two weeks" (tm) (r) his middle name. not that i fault the 'poor' bastard. he only has so many dr. octopus tentacles with which to do maffs and whatnot.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: you mighta been a better fit in some ways, but you also obviously have your hands full with biz, kidz, and foundation
shinohai: BingoBoingo: link me to sauce? Will give it a whirl when I get back home.
shinohai: Plus, unlike with UStards - no worries about which bathrooms to use. They shit in street!
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: another reason why i wouldn't build my own bbet : the same reason i also wouldn't build my own cpu fab. i'm less 'inventor' than 'pro-scavenger'. i'm not 'early adopter', but rather 'fast follower'. to work to my strengths, i wouldn't start my own bbet anymore than you'd start your own strip club.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448528 << jurov thanks i'll look into it. i mean, the
http parser consists of search "
http" and then search for a set of separators, it's as ghetto as it gets, but i had better results with that approach overall than using a regex
☝︎ jurov: but the problem isn't url parsing
jurov: but escaping of < in the output
jurov: at least it looks so
pete_dushenski: shinohai: don't be surprised if ustards go that way too, particularly as average skin shade continues to endarken
phf: jurov: oh oh oh you're talking about log.bitcoin-assets urls being hijacked
jurov: phf that's separate issue
phf: that's … intentional, but obviously breaks after the split
jurov: Whoever was waiting for coinbr withdrawals, mircea_popescu flushed some this morning, and I did the others now
shinohai: thx BingoBoingo having a nice outdoors lunch, will give it a crack.
jurov: phf: it can be soved by other ways then having different host in the label and href
phf: sure, the ref arrow does the same thing
jurov: like, you can do do s/log.bitcoin.assets/btcbase.org/ globally on everything before the log was launched
phf: you can also arbitrarily patch other people's words and claim authenticity
jurov: and for new entries, if user links to the other place, elt it be
jurov: phf so patching urls is okay?
phf: urls are not part of log
phf: urls are interpretation of what the log is saying in the display facility
phf: in this case log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date urls are treated as a "pointer to a log location"
jurov: I expressly request that when i *today* drop #b-a URL , it should NOT be aliased to btcbase.
☟︎ phf: jurov: that's obviously a bug and should be fixed :) i just want to have our priors straight
phf: also url patching facility is from before the arrows, so to some extent can now be dropped entirely
phf: old urls are still hijacked though, i think i'm going to disable that, and let just arrows do their thing
jurov: or do the hijacking properly in all cases where it's needed, like polimedia.us -> trilema.com
pete_dushenski: done pulling up excel when boss walks by so soon ? or is guy who stormed out setting a precedent you're keen to follow ?
pete_dushenski: i, for one, couldn't imagine spending >1hr just to ~travel~ to work and back. each way. my mind boggles that millions in 'first world' spend 3hrs+ (this is sop in, say, toronto)
pete_dushenski: surprised you haven't programmed own autonomous car ferfuxake. it wouldn't take a month's worth of time stuck behind idiotic wheel in mordor traffic
pete_dushenski: and here i was thinking that we were #1 google hit besttimeeverytime
pete_dushenski: nah, he'll remind you that soviet chick doesn't need to know when 'wall falls', just needs to know right guy to get her through to other side. there was mega-thread on this at one point.
pete_dushenski: everett's device sounds like how stan would design computers and/or bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: slightly less time consuming than attempting to jump through the vault door, i suppose
pete_dushenski: how canada still makes hockey players too, though this is the solitary domain where this strategy is herein employed.
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danielpbarron: pete_dushenski, I'm just sayin' my bid was valid, and the first! I can sign something to this effect if anyone seriously doubts
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: also how ukr farmers and rocath french-canadians rose to prominence in the last few centuries in this country : 8 children families sop. mormons continue this practise (plus mega-secrecy) and they're not doing too shabbily by most measures.
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: i hear you, i do. but it's sorta over and done with at this point.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: have you ever been inside mormon temple ? unless you're architect or engineer who built the thing, or practising mormon thereafter, the answer is nope.
phf: Actually I remember threads from perhaps 2014 where mp was trying to communicate mp-ness, my impression is that he gave up from lack of grokking
phf: What I'm saying it wasn't always "eat a naggant or be awesome"
☟︎ danielpbarron:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448877 >> i routinely sit 3-4 h/day in car. << I knew a guy who went by train from Madison, Ct to NYC every weekday, and another guy who went from rhode island!! to NYC, also train. And to tie into current thread, there was a 3rd guy on the train who was mormon.
☝︎ phf: It was causes/purposes, original be rich guide, move to Argentina do cash, etc.
phf: You seen the prophet?
phf: Maybe I got the name wrong, about young Arab in prison
phf: Anyway I can't communicate that point because I only infrequently manage it, and the results are always predictably +ev, but perhaps it's the idea that minimax requires painful break, but then possibility space opens up and a talented person like yourself will have a relatively easy (though not effortless) time exploiting it
phf: And it's most definitely that you can't reason out of minimax, so sitting there "how does" is not going to work
phf: That's usually when you put on a gas mask
phf: Sure it's idiotic but that's where conversation ~ended~ with an obvious "eat a naggant" response
phf: It started with wolf teaching rabbits to hunt with a playfulness and earnestly "this how you put mouth on jugular see!!" with rabbits going "eww jugular how to hunt carrots like mp?" with an obvious "wtf durp" response
punkman: asciilifeform: but briefly back to thread, imho it is important to understand that asking 'how to be mircea_popescu' is a fundamentally broken question, not unlike 'how do i win the lotto' << hey we just had the answer to lotto. you cheat.
trinque: the lottery metaphor doesn't square with the wolves and rabbits metaphor at all.
trinque: one's a pile of fungible derps; the other pointedly isn't
trinque: (in all fairness to the rabbits, I'm aware of at least one instance of a rabbit eating the ears off his weaker brother)
trinque: asciilifeform: seems on the order of magnitude of the number of countries.
trinque: I'd say it has everything to do with the architecture of human societies.
jurov: wow, now alf's playing "become mp or bust"?
trinque: jurov: who the fuck are you talking to, the audience?
jurov: to peanut gallery!
trinque: asciilifeform: seems exactly the right thing to happen right before another power vertical is established
trinque thinks of ender wielding legions as though they are part of his extended body
☟︎ jurov: asciilifeform: really, no-commute-sleep-adlibitum is quite reachable even without going mp-complete
trinque: back to the thread, considering people in isolation is an artifact of this world's thinking.
jurov: no, it's just because you have cut yourself from most exits by forbidding yourself to pay any taxes
trinque: "why is it so hard for an mp to build his superorganism?" is a more interesting question to me than "why not moar mp?"
jurov: create a business, deduct expenses etc...but that discussion's dead horse, i guess
☟︎ danielpbarron gets to sleep adlibitum for most of the year -- has seasonal job, very little sleep during that season, and zero personal time to speak of
danielpbarron: and since it's not all-year-round, and since no week is even the same really, i don't really get sick of working
mircea_popescu: davout i have nfi what you did here. for one thing, shareholders don't get 86, they get 86 + 1% of resolveed bets - 13.37
☟︎ phf: danielpbarron: my impression is that in all seriousness asciilifeform pines for a technology priest status in an hierarchy that's at the very least not rotten through and through, i.e. building machines for non-lizard-hitler. he despairs since one is not available. as such "become crust punk" advise is totally inapplicable to him
jurov: asciilifeform: Yes.
mircea_popescu: it is altogether dubious, however, that priest-like organisation may exist in world bereft of some sort of hitler.
mircea_popescu: well wanting something you know can't exist is an idle sort of onanism.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure the word want may be thus prostituted.
phf: maybe human hitler is ok, just as long he's not the venusian variety
mircea_popescu: phf this sounds to me a lot like "we'll build actual programming language on top of this approximating processor thing".
mircea_popescu: either that or we'll mesterul manole all over the place.
mircea_popescu: contrary to what the disney cartoon re-enactions of "the dinosaur age" may show for cinematic value, most dinosaurs died of organ failure, not of being eaten by a supposedly functional superpreditor that in point of fact was barely adequate to count as a manatee in modern terms.
mircea_popescu: phf i bet you the reason ghetto beats regexp is that regexp is horribly implemented in w/e you use.
mircea_popescu: generally, it's the one thing most hideously implemented anywhere.
mircea_popescu: davout for my curiosity, did you move the hotwallet funds or did you pass the codebase along with the hotwallet ?
☟︎ phf: original purpose was to let me read log references without leaving the log reader, but jurov later suggested doing a more exhaustive link fix for deprecated urls
phf: the whole link fix has been superseded by annotations anyway
mircea_popescu: i can see why pre-dragon log would link to itself rather than build an outside dependency. who even knows how long the old log website will last.
mircea_popescu: but that is then. now - people link to whatever they want and it's what it is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i have learned that: a) there is ~0 demand for the things i know how to do among honest-work folks b) the folks who ~are~ hiring reversers, CAN'T FIND them << "socialism works" in other words.
phf: "there is nothing wrong with your television set. do not attempt to adjust the picture. we are controlling transmission."
phf: behavior was obviously buggy, with an equally trivial fix, i.e. fragment < last-t-a-entry-id
phf: but the question of link hijack remains, i will revisit it after i refine the annotation mechanism a bit
mircea_popescu: this isn't how it works. decent gigs, like slutty chicks, aren't "earned", especially not in the linear, old mia farrow view of earning.
mircea_popescu: where you keep bawing on alexander's grave like some sort of future great general ? i dunno.
mircea_popescu: biggest problem with everett's notions of qm, and why bohr was a respected physicist whereas everett was a sort of h. ellison, was that he purports to have some sort of q-independent causality.
mircea_popescu: for all you know, the cause and effect chain breaks down and the pistol jams BECAUSE you tied the cart to this arrangement
mircea_popescu: this approach is so utterly naive as to rather call to mind britney spears.
mircea_popescu: you forget or simplky dunno the ridiculous phase towards the end where he was refusing various bits of physics on the grounds that they insulted his religious notions ?
mircea_popescu: you not familiar with the scandal where einstein wouldn't take the heisenberg uncertainity ?
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what you read, but human wasn't bohr's concern either.
mircea_popescu: the point is that interaction changes a system and observation is not priviledged.
mircea_popescu: sentient is in any case not the proper word. the point is that if observer future behaviour is modulated by the observation, this is one class of thing. such as is the man, or the cat. and if observer future behaviour is not so modulated, then this is another class of thing. such as a rock.
mircea_popescu: but this is a purely mental exercise, and of no particular physical relevancy, really.
mircea_popescu: which goes directly to your "correct program for all electrically-possible inputs". there is never going to be a very interesting program which takes an ennumeralbe list of inputs. such is the sad fate of things.
mircea_popescu: hey, there's no objection to your very valid criticisms in locus.
mircea_popescu: but they'll never build such a tower of babel as to actually touch the definitive-complete-actually-happens-clockwork.
mircea_popescu: well, hagia sofia still stands, and it carried gilded roof.
mircea_popescu: certainlyt most of the people i cared to hang out over the years are stiff.
☟︎ phf: problem with parsing urls is not regex or no regex, it's that you can't reliably parse a url without resorting to heuristics OR doing nlp on context. all ; , : ) are valid constituents of url path, query and fragment, so you can't know where url ends and context begins.
mircea_popescu: for the record, adults are by and large MUCH dumber than teenagers. which is why i will accept a shoddy seventeen year old to serve, but not a thirty-one year old were her ass gilded.
mircea_popescu: i've yet to meet a teen actually as dumb as the average adult. ignorant, sure, but that's something else.
mircea_popescu: you'd think that, for the same reason you think all tyhe other things around this topic.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-08#1448971 << mno. it's because the fella despises the huswife notions of valuation ; and knows enough about risk to understand wtf it ACTUALLY is, and has the experience of it to have verified such understanding. earlier's convo with polish econ guy related.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since we're discussing people in general.
mircea_popescu: see as a forinstance, you ~think~ that going up to some angry looking black dudes propping a streetlight in the bad part of town and sticking them up with your bare hands is "insanely suicidal risk". this is exactly not how it fucking works, as drexl explains for your benefit, if you were paying attention.
mircea_popescu: this guy, thinks he's a nigger. got a bad scar and missing eye.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ;;google "now i know i'm pretty, but i ain't as pretty as a couple of titties"
mircea_popescu: and ftr, power verticals collapse BECAUSE of appearance of the mythical beast, not the other way.
mircea_popescu: and you have to appreciate, your particular notion of "living very long time" as summum bonum is not widely shared.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's very little competition going on. i have numerous memories of "teenagers trying to compete" throughout schooling - starting with say this girl in 3rd grade even. i never competed with anyone, wtf do i care.
mircea_popescu: meteors, cancer, orcs, other ones, women, drinking, boredom...
mircea_popescu: ith substititive fantasies, lots of that sort of crud floating around at the time. liked n. spinrad's alte americi and masinaria rock&roll way better.
mircea_popescu: (alte americi ie other americas was an anthology, street meet ; the lost continent ; world war last ; la vie continue)
mircea_popescu: notably, he has the sex-fiend ex car salesman thing. guy predicted trump!
shinohai: BingoBoingo: spelling of "breech" to "breach"
shinohai: np, unless that was a pun on Erik Voorhee's ass xD