asciilifeform: merely pointing out that the centralized chokepoints are not physically necessary.

asciilifeform: and that the star topology of telecom - is enforced.

asciilifeform: rather than naturally occuring.

asciilifeform: in the case of 'sheeple' tuning in to bbc/fox noose/etc. -- doubtlessly MORE expensive.

asciilifeform: so there is ~0 financial pressure in that direction.

asciilifeform: today's internet - 'madness'. 1990 internet - nearly ~was~ a mesh.

asciilifeform: just not radio.

asciilifeform: ~tomorrow's~ internet is http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208 .

asciilifeform: but i for one have 0 interest in preserving the 'internet is a cheaper way to broadcast bbc' thing.

asciilifeform: those folks ought to be watching tv.

asciilifeform: via gossipd.

asciilifeform: which incidentally is also how they will know that they are in fact reading trilema.

asciilifeform: and not usgilema.

asciilifeform: (at present time they have no such assurance)

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506536 << pray tell pete_dushenski , for what do you need the cpanel abortion ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: i tried to use it once, it reminded me of those keyboards they widely sold to 'INTERNET!1111' lusers of the '90s, with 'pizza' and 'beer order' buttons

asciilifeform: 'press for mooosik store'

asciilifeform: 'press for lolcat'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506517 << usg has been maniacally afraid of this kind of thing for decades, to the point that not only wh, but semi-abandoned army reserve shithole not far from where i live, is surrounded by 'bollard' barriers, spikes, etc. ☝︎

asciilifeform: or see pictures of a u.s. embassy build in past 20y, just about anywhere.

asciilifeform: same idea.

asciilifeform: they ~know~ that they are a blight, and that folks will try to deal with'em.

asciilifeform: in whatever way their piddling orc tech permits.

asciilifeform: the bollard is ~quintessentially~ american, in my mind, the way the onion dome is ~quintessentially~ russian in typical anglo head.

asciilifeform: http://americanconcrete.com/commercial/barriers/Jersey-Barrier.jpg << subj.

asciilifeform: mine's got what must be metres of tape on it.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it makes for an exceedingly painful time doing anything for which there is not a ready button.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: quadcopter that can lift so much as a frag, is rarity.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: esp. if you want any kind of range.

asciilifeform: (if one were to blow up today, the circle in which police would know to look for the operator, is not large.) ☟︎

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: remotely over what ?

asciilifeform: own satellite ?

asciilifeform: has pete_dushenski flown even a toy quadcopter? any idea of the kind of 'ping time' you need to actually keep the thing upright ?

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: get thee to a toy store

asciilifeform: mats: aha, hence http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506643 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: cheap unmanned guyfawkestrons are nothing new, consider http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/15.html , written in late '70s.

asciilifeform: 'On 12 August, at 0558 local time, a van comes to a halt on the vast empty parking lot in front of a supermarket in Washington. Three men open the doors of the van, roll out the fuselage of a light aircraft and attach its wings. A minute later its motor bursts into life. The plane takes off and disappears into the sky. It has no pilot. It is controlled by radio with the aid of very simple instruments, only slightly more complicated t

asciilifeform: han those used by model aircraft enthusiasts. The plane climbs to about 200 metres and immediately begins to descend in the direction of the White House. A minute later a mighty explosion shakes the capital of the United States. The screaming of sirens on police cars, fire engines and ambulances fills the city.'

asciilifeform: no high tech involved.

asciilifeform: if anyone genuinely cared, these would be a regular thing already.

asciilifeform: like car bombs were in ireland. ☟︎

asciilifeform: the irish had an interesting mortar, made wholly from old compressed gas bottles

asciilifeform: also self-timed.

asciilifeform: it is an old field, worked to death.

asciilifeform: mats: even baltimore police dept. uses similar item.

asciilifeform: it is cheap.

asciilifeform: they have'em permanently mounted on light poles.

asciilifeform: vendor's www: 'Boomerang pinpoints the shooter’s location of incoming small arms fire. Boomerang uses passive acoustic detection and computer-based signal processing to locate a shooter in less than a second.'

asciilifeform: 30 m ?!!

asciilifeform: worse than i thought, even.

asciilifeform: mats: fighters in donbass are using toy choppers to deliver frags, with mixed results ☟︎

asciilifeform: aha, or simply jammed

asciilifeform: incidentally you can detect a convoy of usg brass from miles away by the loud jammers.

asciilifeform: no prizes what this suggests to folks building usg-seeking machinery.

asciilifeform: incidentally http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506685 is another reason behind http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506052 ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: i will note that usg ~is~ sufficiently frightened of toy flying machines, that they were entirely banned in washington d.c. ☟︎

asciilifeform: and even surrounding towns

asciilifeform: there is an ongoing lawsuit re the legality of said ban (it was administrative, rather than act of congress), if diametric is awake he might clarify

asciilifeform: but meanwhile - ban

asciilifeform: there are even street signs, with crossed-out toy chopper.

asciilifeform: mats: this is sorta the appeal of munitions that don't travel in straight lines or simple parabola or whatever other geometric figure

asciilifeform: e.g., toy flyers.

asciilifeform: picture a frag that, launched, spends a week or so hopping between treetops until it is told (via whatever custom radio) that your position is nearby, at which point it simply falls on you.

asciilifeform: or it simply finds you based on the jammer output.

asciilifeform: or, in a city, a mine could spend years or decades buried in pavement, waiting for 'customer'

asciilifeform: plenty of possibilities with modern tech.

asciilifeform: depends on who is trying to do in whom, neh ?

asciilifeform: is icbm also 'overengineered' ?

asciilifeform: in the contemplated picture, you need precisely 1 casualty.

asciilifeform: iirc the recent custom is to have one in ~every truck.

asciilifeform: not even necessary to explode, there are other uses, to the opponent, for knowing exactly where the convoy is

asciilifeform: the one commonly seen, does not.

asciilifeform: usg brass are quite well defended against the expected adversary: plebes with pea shooters, bricks, etc.

asciilifeform: folks with actual resources do not go around hunting'em for the same reason the typical hunter does not go to shoot the lion in the zoo.

asciilifeform: or, more presely, cow in the farm.

asciilifeform: *precisely

asciilifeform: the cow is already where the farmer wants it.

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: so it is kept just short of easy.

asciilifeform: contrary to popular belief, not very much is spent on it.

asciilifeform: if the monkey dies, what will happen ? he will be replaced with identical monkey.

asciilifeform: there is no shortage of monkeys in the trees.

asciilifeform: the actual function of the black limos, ss jeeps, etc. is roughly same as roman lictors:

asciilifeform: to showcase the dominance of the throne

asciilifeform: which is why they kick folks out of restaurants when dick cheney or his latest incarnation drives by, etc.

asciilifeform: nothing to do with mad bomberz.

asciilifeform: everything to do with transfixed slack-jawed sheeple aaahing over the 'majesty'

asciilifeform: fact is, there ARE NO phreeedom phighterz in usaschwitz. which is why they conscript the occasional illiterate orc immigrant to play 't3rr0r111st!111' on tv.

asciilifeform: folks raised without a warm place to shit, much less trust fund, with ~correct picture of self-worth and ready to meet with allah at age 17, are a natural resource like any other. and it simply does not grow in north america.

asciilifeform: presently.

asciilifeform: see the part with 'played on tv'

asciilifeform: the new york death ray fella, being the prime example.

asciilifeform: he, and a few hundred similar great artistes, are in the clinks.

asciilifeform: their production is one of the missions of the 'national security' industry.

asciilifeform: $s new york death ray

asciilifeform: imbeciles who cannot spell own name, or describe what kind of ray they will supposedly shoot from the raygun that nice totally-not-fbi-provocateur sold them in back alley, are not agents.

asciilifeform: they have no agency

asciilifeform: any more than a sea slug has.

asciilifeform: mats: i know of at least 1, he was traded recently, name escapes me

asciilifeform: was betrayed by typical 1990s 'colonel with apartment in florida'

asciilifeform: more than in zimbabwe also, what of it ?

asciilifeform: last i heard gitmo was a warehouse for inconvenient pow, rather than domestic whatevers.

asciilifeform: (though i have fundamentally nfi who is ACTUALLY kept there, for all i know it is folks who used pgp key that had too many bitz)

asciilifeform: possibly because was picked up in usa ?

asciilifeform: or do i have him mixed with another

asciilifeform: if he had been found in afghan, would have been shot on the cheap, but instead was used as feedstock for the quite important 'we caught a domestic вредитель !1111' ritual.

asciilifeform: the key here is that these folk dun occur naturally in the necessary numbers. hence, they are created.

asciilifeform: as per http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-13#623044 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: provocateurs are dirt-cheap. we even had one here, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-08#1338891 ☝︎

asciilifeform: ^ the_scourge tried to get ~me~ interested in 'military resistance to usg'

asciilifeform: along with boatload of shit crypto

asciilifeform: i do wonder where you found him.

asciilifeform: must be great place.

asciilifeform: has he tried to sell you a death ray yet ?

asciilifeform: the thing that i found shocking was... the sheer ham-fistedness.

asciilifeform: if i were his handler, and read, as i would read, the log, i would have sacked him.

asciilifeform: demoted, to junior dogcatcher.

asciilifeform: ditto ninjashitgun.

asciilifeform: and buncha other dopes whose names escape me.

asciilifeform: same snore every time.

asciilifeform: he was entertainingly stupid, but only from the (to me) novelty

asciilifeform: entertaining-stupid is a self-limiting thing. eventually it turns into simply stupid.

asciilifeform: it was a very strange experience, like having a contract killer sent for you who worked his whole life in a slaughterhouse and literally expects you to behave EXACTLY like cow, to simply walk up to where he has the ~stationary~ stun hammer ☟︎

asciilifeform: and get indignant and flustered if you for some reason do not.

asciilifeform: the choice of subject matter, in that case, was quite peculiar.

asciilifeform: iraq not a nation either

asciilifeform: but did ok.

asciilifeform: with respect to irishing.

asciilifeform: mats: the 'letter of the law' was interpreted as 'anally inspect every arse on planet' for decades now.

asciilifeform: so not nyooz.

asciilifeform: consider the act for which, supposedly, nixon was deposed. can you picture president impeached for tapping phones today ?

asciilifeform: it is a theatrical number, intended to goad would-be 'shoe bomb hopefuls' to the dead end of flying toys from toystore

asciilifeform: 'the treasure is where they put the 'treasure!' sign' -- ~every imbecile ever

asciilifeform: mats: http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/johnson/rnimparticles.htm << which of these is the current monkey not guilty of ?

asciilifeform: or the last one ?

asciilifeform: or the one prior ?

asciilifeform: they didn't need to.

asciilifeform: why send thief, when you have key logs, audio, whatever.

asciilifeform: nobody optimized for bodies, or they would torch crowded clubs etc.

asciilifeform: for playing out a script helpfully written for them by their masters.

asciilifeform: that involves, e.g., ~random fire from small-caliber pea shooters, rather than, say, blown bridges

asciilifeform: for details see tlp.

asciilifeform: supposing he had not snipped his articles re same.

asciilifeform: (i have not recently checked.)

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: mats: usg 'employment' figures make 'climate science' look honest.

asciilifeform: they have ~0 connection to reality.

asciilifeform: mats: one obvious example - a great many folks never figure in the score at all, because they are 'contractor'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is approximately correct.

asciilifeform: quite likely not 1 in 10 laid off folk, ever appear in the 'unemployed' column.

asciilifeform: for any length of time whatsoever.

asciilifeform: in entire life.

asciilifeform: old folks, for instance, forced into an early 'catfood diet' retirement, do not

asciilifeform: because their count as 'retiree'

asciilifeform: when kicked out for being 65 y.o.

asciilifeform: lafonde's 'dindus', unsurprisingly, also do not count as 'unemployed'

asciilifeform: perhaps half of that number ever had so much a ~thought~ of being employed.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the choicest lulz were in pm

asciilifeform: as with the earlier ninjaimbecile

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha!

asciilifeform: i tried, failed, had to ask for whole thing to be thermonuked and reformatted.

asciilifeform: '“I vote Trump! free Internet”. Approximately 1.6 Gb's of data was exposed, with the report stating that 68.3% of users had their identities or other sensitive information exposed upon connection. Nearly 25% of the users browsed porn sites, while only a little over 5% used the connections to play Pokemon Go' << such brilliance!111

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506885 << Framedragger point to actual instance of this ? in the logz ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506875 << surprised he hasn't yet shown up here to offer cheeeeeap death ray! ☝︎

asciilifeform: (iirc he did, right before the jail)

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506889 << he wanted a repl that can shit graphics. which is something that to this very day is ~monopoly of a gargantuan closed commercial item, 'mathematica'. except that most 'i want a graphical repl' folks don't know this, and think that their imitations (which are roughly what glbse was to mpex) are the real thing. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506907 << that's not a repl; that's crapola, a la http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506177 ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506906 << the funny thing is, this was made, in 1980s, at considerable expense, it was called 'NeWS' ☝︎

asciilifeform: but it suffered from the crippling limitations of the c-machine, and withered away.

asciilifeform: (likewise, '80s hardware was not quite up to the task of the rendering)

asciilifeform: the simpler, braindead x11, survived.

asciilifeform: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?NetworkExtensibleWindowSystem << moar.

asciilifeform: http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/lang/NeWS.html << lulzier still

asciilifeform: 'Fri, 5 Feb 88... The astonishing baroqueness of X is the greatest threat to the general sucess of UNIX to have come along since System V hit the streets. If you try to give an X system to a real human being, not a computer hacker masquerading as a normal person, they will croak. If X doesn't instantly burn out their eyes and brain, causing them to throw their UNIX box out the nearest high window, it will drive them straight into the

asciilifeform: arms of the Macintosh II. With the toolbox under AUX, all the windowy programs on the MacII will have a clear, understable, and universal user interface. With other alternatives, we face the very real prospect of each window (program) having a different user interface. That, friends, will be the death of UNIX. '

asciilifeform: http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/images/smegmas.gif

asciilifeform: and http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/images/pizzatool.gif .

asciilifeform: jurov: it is ill-designed in 1,001 ways.

asciilifeform: was very much a crude and desperate hack. knuth suffered from idiot typesetters who 'what's one exponent more or less'

asciilifeform: human typesetters ~had~ to be expelled from mathematics.

asciilifeform: and so they were. but at the cost of having this other pile of shit.

asciilifeform: ew

asciilifeform: fuck html.

asciilifeform: and the browser.

asciilifeform: i thought the idea was 'sane gui'

asciilifeform: a concept which pointedly has no room for half-second delays after every keystroke

asciilifeform: 'gui' is not equivalent in meaning to 'microshit word'

asciilifeform: original thread which led us here concerned... charts

asciilifeform: go and represent the duplicated-sshkeys thing in.. words.

asciilifeform: this is lunacy.

asciilifeform: do we have to do the mega-thread again?

asciilifeform: or can just say we did. 'see l0gz.'

asciilifeform: i sorta wonder how mircea_popescu draws the line at 'this much notation is enough.' i.e., why he does not demand that phuctor stats be spelled out in whole words rather than using arabic digits.

asciilifeform: is it because this set of chars happened to exist on underwood typewriter ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fits-in-head means that i get to huffmanize TO THE MAX

asciilifeform: which means, yes, integral signs, matrices, tensors, whatever notation i define ~for the occasion~ even.

asciilifeform: i can say. and, if it isn't likely to be in the reader's huffman dictionary already - do say.

asciilifeform: sorta what literacy means - to have the huffman table in your head.

asciilifeform: if you cannot read integral, you are not literate.

asciilifeform: would mircea_popescu also say that machine should transliterate the greek texts for you ?

asciilifeform: 'midnight commander' does.

asciilifeform: (srsly)

asciilifeform: it will actually crap out translit when you hit f3 ('view file') if the terminal doesn't have cyrillic.

asciilifeform: the only proggy i've ever encountered which did. ☟︎

asciilifeform: at any rate i have 0 problem with this.

asciilifeform: what i do have a problem with is 'stop using integral signs, spell it out'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's machine can turn it into sanskrit if he likes.

asciilifeform: lel who said i wanted buttons ?

asciilifeform: how does the thing on pediwikia work ?

asciilifeform: they seem to have something like it

asciilifeform: yes but iirc they get generated.

asciilifeform: and if you have the old mathtex plugin thing, they do not

asciilifeform: (machine w/out the plugin is painful to use if you ever try to copy/paste, you end up getting bitmaps)

asciilifeform: see, if i can't ~paste~ the equation from the viewer into my algebratron, and evaluate it, the system is broken.

asciilifeform: will mircea_popescu barf when a boojum turns up in the massive iupac rule set this imports ?

asciilifeform: before laughing, consider, iupac gold standard program HUNG when fed chiralane for the first time.

asciilifeform: textbooks, i shit thee not, had to be junked

asciilifeform: (most weren't, simply ignored the news)

asciilifeform: how do i benzol ring ?

asciilifeform: (incidentally does mircea_popescu do his organic chem without filthy heathen 2d drawings ? as words ? )

asciilifeform: what's the / do ?

asciilifeform: has mircea_popescu ever actually done an organic synthesis ? in anger ?

asciilifeform: of an item that wasn't in the book

asciilifeform: y'know, the buggers actually ARE 3d (arguably 3.5d) ~physical objects~

asciilifeform: chemistry-in-words makes about the same amount of sense as cad in words.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu should have asked 'tell it to the builders instead of showing paper'

asciilifeform: this is not actually hard to do if you have the item in your head.

asciilifeform: just as, close your eyes and describe your house to a stranger

asciilifeform: you can do it in ~arbitrary detail

asciilifeform: but this is NOT the most convenient format for ~editing~ (transforming, etc) the thing.

asciilifeform: there is a reason why most folks play chess with a board vs with telephone

asciilifeform: (though many do, i have)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: find me a chemist - a practicing, professional organiker - who will not barf at this suggestion.

asciilifeform: or an architect who will agree to design a building ~wholly~ by putting words, sentences, to paper.

asciilifeform: or machinist who will accept an essay in lieu of a drawing.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i found, what, six? seven ?

asciilifeform: they are here.

asciilifeform: what was it ? 'cut me a rod 10cm in length and 3 in diameter' ?

asciilifeform: that ain't machining.

asciilifeform: go and describe kalash bolt in words

asciilifeform: and have it machined.

asciilifeform: i would love to see result !

asciilifeform: possibly bad experiment, because machinist will cheat

asciilifeform: he will pull the ubiquitous drawing once he realizes what you described.

asciilifeform: and cut from that.

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: link ?

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: please don't assume that folks read reddit unprompted. i don't

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not necessarily - it is worthwhile experiment

asciilifeform: but i would like to read the essay first

asciilifeform: it should not mention the purpose of the part.

asciilifeform: (if mircea_popescu dun feel like doing this experiment, perhaps another mechanically-literate fella ? ben_vulpes ?)

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: again, if you ~mention~ a thing that is happening solely on reddit, it is just the same as linking

asciilifeform: may as well link

asciilifeform: because i sure as fuck ain't going ~looking~ for it

asciilifeform: ty thestringpuller .

asciilifeform: lulzy

asciilifeform: they fired already ?

asciilifeform: and, what, traditional-eth vanished immediately ?

asciilifeform: no one bothered to set off 'difficulty bomb' ? etc

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody no one ? not even on the battleship mircea_popescurora ?

asciilifeform: why bother with the etherape thing only to release the mouse, still alive and well, from the mousetrap later ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: i dun get it

asciilifeform: i suppose we can add it to the very very long list of items which are supposedly 'dead' but continue to live, spraying out ecological poison left and right that will take eons to clean up

asciilifeform: didn't say that anybody in particular ought to clean up.

asciilifeform: but am surprised that whoever took the bother of raping dao, did not follow through.

asciilifeform: hm?

asciilifeform: by not firing the control shot, dao raper allowed mit to close own hole.

asciilifeform: but 'I HAZ MILLION COMMITZ!121111'

asciilifeform: mega-cv, such hireable, etc.

asciilifeform: and if you dun hire, 'DISCRIMINATION!1111'

asciilifeform: recall the 'flycheck' thread ?

asciilifeform: often there is ~whole project~ which consists of gendercommit.

asciilifeform: as in, it NEVER had the slightest legitimate reason to exist.

asciilifeform: any of it.

asciilifeform: 'to examine a granfalloon, remove the skin of a toy balloon' (tm) (r) (vonnegut)

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: i dun get why more folks won't declare total war. ☟︎

asciilifeform: what does rme (who i know nothing of..) have to lose ?

asciilifeform: why 'change subject'

asciilifeform: why not 'die in a fire, scum' ☟︎

asciilifeform: decade ago - i could even see

asciilifeform: but today - one would have to be clinically stupid

asciilifeform: count, merely, the software packages that CANNOT BE USED today, that worked fine decade ago

asciilifeform: (xpdf...)

asciilifeform: or xmms !

asciilifeform: or consider the contortions you must go through, to build geda

asciilifeform: or 1,001 other once-commonplace breads and butters of linux world

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: i've been using command-line players ever since.

asciilifeform: not fun, but no real alternative.

asciilifeform: FUCK 'metadata in file', 'libraries', etc.

asciilifeform: the muppets who 'i Just Want just like itunes...' must be expelled from civilized computing.

asciilifeform: its continuation as whatever going concern is incompatible with their presence

asciilifeform: just as you cannot have a theatre that is also a dairy farm

asciilifeform: aha, all i get is bash history

asciilifeform: sorta like going from 'bic' lighter to flint.

asciilifeform: yes, can haz fire...

asciilifeform: but.

asciilifeform: not same. total war, you can declare.. alone.

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: and win95 to go with it ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on what do you run it? 'wine' ?

asciilifeform: lel srsly?

asciilifeform: http://www.winamp.com << whatddayaknow

asciilifeform: and since when did mircea_popescu keep a crappletron in his fleet

asciilifeform: then again he probably has a vax also.

asciilifeform: fair'nuff

asciilifeform: i've historically kept crapple boxen around for various occasions (commercial proggies for which no substitute exists, etc)

asciilifeform: ida is ~the~ example

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we're counting 'niche owners'

asciilifeform: ida is the example of 'sole inhabitant of niche'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: used by pretty much 100% of reversers, auditors, etc. for whatever cpu ever manufactured.

asciilifeform: ditto 0day hunters, etc.

asciilifeform: i have nfi what, then, is a niche.

asciilifeform: reversing is just as much a functional niche as 'music play'

asciilifeform: or 'drawing proggy'

asciilifeform: hey i run virii ☟︎

asciilifeform: used to do it, for a living, even.

asciilifeform: have entire room of machines devoted to same.

asciilifeform: 'run' here shorthand for 'on battlestation'

asciilifeform: picture i were to run a pesticide shop

asciilifeform: does it mean i eat chrorophos for breakfast ?

asciilifeform: *chlorophos

asciilifeform: i suppose my assumption that ~everyone~ has distinct 'circles of hell' for running proggies, is baseless

asciilifeform: so consider it explained.

asciilifeform: different machines, for different purposes, on different lans, etc.

asciilifeform: neh simply forgot to explain that i 'redefined number 2'

asciilifeform: so - here you go, 'run' does not mean 'run all in one pot'

asciilifeform: just like i take a shit, you should not assume that i did it in same room i sleep and eat in.

asciilifeform: even if it turns out that most folks do.

asciilifeform: (why? nfi, maybe they are in jail)

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has a point here, but i did consider 'run' to have been explained eons ago, when i publicly described my profession.

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: incidentally i might not even ~know~ all of the assumptions which some luser somewhere might read into the text. mircea_popescu reminds me that most of'em probably think 'he has 1 computer, and 1 lan'

asciilifeform: but what else?

asciilifeform: i might not even be able to catalogue what else.

asciilifeform: this would require a dedicated anthropological dig

asciilifeform: by qualified specialist.

asciilifeform: shinohai: malware in the general case.

asciilifeform: shinohai: e.g., 'cryptolocker'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lulzy, even i have >1

asciilifeform: shinohai: 1 per box at a time..

asciilifeform: trinque: no redefinitions involved. i run'em. what's the problem.

asciilifeform: y'know, hobo wears a shirt. mircea_popescu wears a shirt. etc. no contradictions involved.

asciilifeform: rule #1 of vtronics: no cyclez!1111111

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja know: if you forbid cycles, mark'n'sweek garbage collection works ?

asciilifeform: this has implications beyond gc.

asciilifeform: *sweep

asciilifeform: anyway it is a good knife, now folks must pick it up, cut.

asciilifeform: it is not the sword from norse saga, won't fight by itself.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: never forget, it is a commercial pidgin

asciilifeform: not a language, really, hasn't been in eons.

asciilifeform: 'puto' !

asciilifeform: i guess anglicization might be 'he-whore'

asciilifeform: no worse than 'she-wolf'

asciilifeform: ilsa, she-wolf of auschwitz!111

asciilifeform: aha, it.

asciilifeform: 'misleaderess'

asciilifeform: PeterL: aha, i had this! in chemgroup's 'MOE'

asciilifeform: PeterL: which i programmed for, every day, for years, long ago.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's ~only use is to key in structures from journals, and to keep'em in db

asciilifeform: it is not meant for human consumption!1111

asciilifeform: aha, PeterL has it.

asciilifeform: and yes you can close rings, etc. but it rapidly turns into a regexp-like monster.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my point was that everyone who worked in chemistry in any capacity since '90s or so, has used it, but no one works WITH it on paper or in head !

asciilifeform: PeterL: you may have missed mega-thread earlier , where mircea_popescu suggested that the pictures are unnecessary because the textual representation is possible.

asciilifeform: wake me up when there is any support for this hypothesis.

asciilifeform: overall i agree with 'folks dumbly copy, paste, dun think things through'

asciilifeform: you will look at the ~relevant~ zoom level.

asciilifeform: rather than at protons of cancer cell, because you get the notion that they differ from regular protons in your garden.

asciilifeform: PeterL: they differ like the letters on my keyboard differ from yours.

asciilifeform: no?

asciilifeform never in his entire life owned a non-latin kbd

asciilifeform: though... i might have a japanese one somewhere.

asciilifeform: pretty sure i do.

asciilifeform: PeterL: phf i think might have a genuine cyrillic kbd somewhere

asciilifeform: i haven't even ~seen~ one since '92 or so

asciilifeform: PeterL: most orc folk use transliteratrons of one kind or another.

asciilifeform: if you heat the thing to 5000K and they come out, they will be same as any other proton.

asciilifeform: so they are same.

asciilifeform: the idempotence of items like electron is whole basis of chemistry.

asciilifeform: they are not different, just emplaced differently.

asciilifeform: discussing idempotence of the parts.

asciilifeform: PeterL: the zoom levels item.

asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu's assertion that 'you ought to take the benzyl ring and look at the bits of the jpeg'

asciilifeform: granted, it is difficult to avoid doing this, mentally, on occasion - when dealing with, e.g., vsepr

asciilifeform: 'the data' is not strictly defined, nor the instrument with which to look productively - raster display, or teletype, or play it through the sound card (i sometimes do...)

asciilifeform: i've experimented with playing protein structures, yes, through sound card.

asciilifeform: ~correct abstraction~ makes people smarter.

asciilifeform: sometimes, it is a custom language.

asciilifeform: sometimes - plastic motherfucking models.

asciilifeform: (nobody ever beat these for chem)

asciilifeform: NOBODY.

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did you even see same thing i saw ?

asciilifeform: it was a 3-parter - iirc part 1 made in '90s, 2 - '80s, 3 - '70s (yes)

asciilifeform: 4?!

asciilifeform: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064785 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072021 and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0128378 . that makes 3

asciilifeform: what was 4 ?

asciilifeform: yeah but wtf was 4th? when filmed ? can haz imdb ?

asciilifeform: this is possible.

asciilifeform: so which of these did mircea_popescu see 1.5 of ?

asciilifeform: ah.

asciilifeform: the older chunks are better.

asciilifeform: at any rate if mircea_popescu knows of better film about rzeczpospolita, let's have it.

asciilifeform: y'mean in 20 min chunks with 15m of ads ?

asciilifeform: mno.

asciilifeform: it was - film.

asciilifeform: i'm not actually sure who it was for. i liked because - weird enough.

asciilifeform: i liked the stakes.

asciilifeform: lolk.

asciilifeform: fair'nuff