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BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> "Obamacare's markets are nearing failure as premiums climb and healthier individuals drop out" << did someone cancel the penalty for rolling uninsured or am i missing something here << "Rolling uninsured" penalty is trivial compared to Obamacare subscription
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: sure, if you don't have taxable income
mircea_popescu: what you mean is, "if you're not trying to run a small business"
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, the utter dearth of "small businesses! young people!" verbiage in the tower of maga is perhaps the lulziest part of all this.
ben_vulpes: nono, instead we get "women executives"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc it maxed out at ~2k $. even if you were buffett.
asciilifeform: the penalty, that is.
mircea_popescu: "service economy" aka "we'll prosper through doing each other's laundry, babysitting each other's kids and drawing things on each other's napkins" to be replaced by "maga economy" aka "we'll prosper through hipsters in haliburton hard hats" or wtf.
ben_vulpes: if it were "small businesses! young people!" the clamor for universal college debt jubilee would be deafening
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: max was total annual premiums for a "bronze" plan
mircea_popescu: they actually call it that ?
mircea_popescu: side question : do you get to sniff the plan ?
ben_vulpes: it's a scratch-and-sniff
mircea_popescu: !~google bronze sniffing
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Abnormal Botlane: Sniffing Bronze moments - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DFyopLp6n0BQ>; Bronze Foxes - Scully & Scully: <http://www.scullyandscully.com/collectibles/austrian-bronzes/bronze-foxes/>; Austrian Bronze Sniffing Fox Figurine | fox love | Pinterest: <https://www.pinterest.com/pin/219269075587563980/>
mircea_popescu: hm apparently this dun exist in anglo ?
mircea_popescu: !~google aurolacii
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Black - Zet Feat. Teakă - Aurolacii (Cassette) at Discogs: <https://www.discogs.com/Black-Zet-Feat-Teak%25C4%2583-Aurolacii/release/5458734>; De ce sufla aurolacii in pungi? - Forumul Softpedia: <https://forum.softpedia.com/topic/848482-de-ce-sufla-aurolacii-in-pungi/>; aurolacii si passat_ul(b31uzzi) - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DiZVK_O2uAEU>
ben_vulpes: what is this 'bronze sniffing'?
mircea_popescu: aurolac = instabronze, which is what ro urchins sniff.
ben_vulpes: ah 'huffing'?
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: iirc it was plain glue + toluene + aluminum dust.
ben_vulpes: whoa gross
mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure it's toluene because of the tell-tale parasympathetic lesions leading to loss of ability to regulate body heat in abusers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: about when did this come into fashion?
mircea_popescu: depends. became a niche thing pre 70s ; otherwise during the 90s
mircea_popescu: there's that picture of the naked kid sniffing from a bag in bucharest cca 2000 that gave it iconic status
asciilifeform: because i have a distinct memory of a piece re 'sniffing' being wholly unknown until popularized by a certain nyt piece (wholly fabricated 'threat-or-menace?' hackjob)
mircea_popescu: but it's self limiting enough that it never was as fashionable as i dunno, raising cats.
mircea_popescu: nah.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Huffing has been a thing since sad man first found petroleum seep
BingoBoingo: Just NYT made it more popular in 1990's
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sniffing technological solvents is never going to be fashionable in the ipad sense for obvious reasons.
mircea_popescu: i know the specs and etc because it was in the management class, workforce hazards.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile workforce became you know, "in charge of its own destiny", consequently sniffs the hazards voluntarilt.
asciilifeform: i've found 0 mentions in print dated prior ~1970, in any language. but then again i did not dedicate life to searching for this atlantis.
mircea_popescu: quite the world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was a thing in the sense gayness was a thing. before the boring lametards got their grubby culturally appropriative hands on it, meausred in ppm but present.
asciilifeform: plenty of descriptions of every conceivable type of buggery remain from ~all times and places for which we have text at all
mircea_popescu: really ? what you got from 1950 ?
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/VtO9G/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: where do i read about petrosniffers pre-70s
mircea_popescu: that's my point. post ww2 there's very marked silence-post-centralisation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: j.e.hoover's papers alone
mircea_popescu: well yes but sniffing solvent and writing on paper are rather mutually exclusive.
asciilifeform: the witnesses write?
mircea_popescu: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2632858/The-ultimate-living-How-poor-carve-living-SEWERS-Eastern-European-city.html << there
mircea_popescu: the text is useless, but the images authentic.
asciilifeform: looks to be re modern-day?
mircea_popescu: decade ago or so. anyway, it's a subculture, inconsequential as it may be. in certain ways infinitely more authentic than the alternative interpretations.
asciilifeform: in other 'news' -- 'modern watergate' etc. 'woman state' will remove mr.t, seems quite clear. even as a figurehead, too much of an irritant
mircea_popescu: i'm kinda curious how this plays out myself.
ben_vulpes: let us not forget how committed you were to "can not possibly win, clitler and lizards would never stand for it" you were, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there is no time bound on 'clitler wins' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: well, he likes to play the roll-up. win one, get to have been right all along :D
mircea_popescu: right.
ben_vulpes: good grief
mircea_popescu: win symbolically, win eventually, win ironically, just as long as it's win!
ben_vulpes: unfortunately, without skin in the game the man can keep "doubling down" forever.
mircea_popescu: ikr ? pretty cool loophole he found there.
trinque: anybody who fancies an interesting life might prefer he gets removed
trinque: it'll piss the people who voted him in off quite a bit.
asciilifeform: win in the concrete sense of obummery continuing ad infinitum
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah, i wouldn't particulartly mind seeing the answer to that riddle play out
ben_vulpes: anyways, asciilifeform is there a particular thing you're citing or just "moi moi, uber alles"?
mircea_popescu: "is there such a thing as a white man left in the new world ? or did the redskins totally eat the colonists"
trinque: if they did nothing after, piss on them; they aren't people
trinque: aha
asciilifeform: trinque: recall the oregon uprising thread ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's funny how "winning" works out. white man went to new world to make the local idiots stop sucking. much like iraq today.
trinque: asciilifeform: you need to go travel the parts of the country you consider "fly over" before we continue the thread
mircea_popescu: in the end... the stupid side of the planet ended up dragging them to its own level.
mircea_popescu: who knows how many before ?
asciilifeform: trinque: let me know where to buy airplane ticket for, where, e.g., irs doesn't work
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pick any large down ; go downtown. irs doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: go to bucharest, talk to the guy depicted. no irs in those gutters.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand , trinque was speaking of usa locales
mircea_popescu: alrighty. los angeles. roxbury, since i just mentioned it. pittsburg.
mircea_popescu: you name it.
mircea_popescu: if it's got brownstone, irs dun work there.
trinque: didn't the oregon militia people get off anyway?
asciilifeform: if yer white and with net worth denominated wholly in irstronium -- mega-surprise, irs works in antarctica. and on pluto.
trinque: aside the guy they shot, and iirc it was *one* guy that died
mircea_popescu: one died the rest walked iirc.
mircea_popescu: kinda how enforcement works at that level.
trinque: waco to letting 'em walk in two decades
trinque: progress!
mircea_popescu: "there's nothing we can do but we realloy really wanna do something so we'll accidentallty shoot one".
trinque: I recall having a neighbor from $southernshithole a while back
trinque: guy roughed up a girl he liked so he carved his lungs out
trinque: cops let him skip town
trinque: "irs didn't work" there
trinque: asciilifeform: there are people you've never seen in your life
asciilifeform: it also dun work for jon corzine
asciilifeform: (granted i never met him in the meat either.)
asciilifeform: or that saudi prince d00d.
mircea_popescu: yes but fewer of these.
asciilifeform: there are plenty of interesting folx i never met, trinque . but meeting them does not magically turn anyone into them.
mircea_popescu: i would offer it as a fact that there's more people within the contiguous 51 states (bahamas addedone, what!) on whom the irs dun work than there's webdevelopers.
asciilifeform: quite likely
asciilifeform: btw i suspect this is where the real bile re 'invading mexican' comes out of.
mircea_popescu: lafond makes a great point at some point, that "violence" in the millitant style the us represents it as is principally a product of the second sons of a favoured class.
asciilifeform: from the humblest retail monkey to the dourest engineer, folx paid in irstronium can agree to hate the paperless d00d who has nfi that tax even exists.
mircea_popescu: this is entirely correct, "black thug" is generally the neglected son of a respectable black accountant with an earned college degree.
mircea_popescu: similarily, the "invading mexican" is the son of a woman who moved there in the 50s barefoot and married the police chief.
mircea_popescu: so yes, it's a class warfare thing. two heads of the aspirational hydra - one that aspires through "stem" and the other that aspires through "business".
asciilifeform: ~all adventurers are 'second sons', i thought this was elementary
mircea_popescu: in between sucking their cock for coke bumps, there's nothing the ironic cumrags from wellesley agree more heartedly about than how lame business majors are.
mircea_popescu: the same dynamic repeats, yes, the dorky kids who took programming class hate the jocky kids who took fast and furious on tv.
mircea_popescu: "it was supposed to be my pie in the sky and now you're eating it!"
mircea_popescu: the only way a pie in the sky can even be eaten in the first place is this.
asciilifeform: american 'academia' and 'business' differ only cosmetically
asciilifeform: largely identical pyramids.
mircea_popescu: hence the hatred.
ben_vulpes: in other amazings interpellating me on the way to the train: https://www.sites.google.com/site/superhappypoliticalparty/
trinque: legalize flying cars fuck yes, about time
asciilifeform: gotta legalize antigrav first
asciilifeform: firstthingsfirst.
mircea_popescu: legalize getting killed.
hanbot: what's the proper name to ascribe to this super fun phenomenon wherein trb node happily catches up on blocks until 99.x% and then drops connections and stops seeing new blocks after <10mins? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: blackholed ?
hanbot: i assumed that entailed eventual unblackholing. granted i haven't had the patience to wait more than a day to see.
trinque: might be interesting to collect some wireshark packets while this is going on.
trinque: and to look at those alongside your log
mircea_popescu: large project this, but yeah.
mircea_popescu: i suspect one willing to live a monk's year with this might end up with a handful of servers inside ft meade in his hands.
mircea_popescu: spinoza sort of job though.
mod6: shinohai: hey, thanks!
asciilifeform: hanbot: first apply the basic litmus: does the thing eat rpc commands while blackholed ?
asciilifeform: (if answer is no --> thing is choking on long-verify-and-dud blox from somewhere. find out from where.)
mod6: my test node gets bh'd all the time, still responds to rpc commands. i typically do the samething, stop. wait a bit, restart.
asciilifeform: mod6: that'd be the other kind of blackhole, aha.
asciilifeform: also note that if you built with malleus patch, you will be kickbanning prb peers as soon as they disgorge a prbism of any kind (e.g., 'bloom filter' command)
mod6: yup, i should add that I am running with malleus.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> also note that if you built with malleus patch, you will be kickbanning prb peers as soon as they disgorge a prbism of any kind (e.g., 'bloom filter' command) << Bloom isn't what disconnects most PRB nowadays. It is "BIP 151 compact blocks".
BingoBoingo enjoys the plot of every Tom Clancy novel playing out in role reversed fashion. Brave russians help patriotic Americans save nation from decades old KGB plot.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo has it.
BingoBoingo: Seriously fucking cultural marxism was THE soviet wunderwaffen. Putin is doing the world a service by trying to disarm it.
BingoBoingo: !~step8
jhvh1: 8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
mircea_popescu: no i meant re bip 151
BingoBoingo: AHA
BingoBoingo: Coding patch to simply say "no" to compact blocks and restore TRB/PRB communion would likely be trivial, BUT setting that precedent is impossibru
mircea_popescu: eh, not like they run any nodes anyway.
BingoBoingo: Still power rangers don't get to add faggy pinky stuff to node handshake.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they run enough nodes to be palpably annoying.
mircea_popescu: consumer + cloud junk
asciilifeform: btw folx, don't forget about my handy aws-banhammertron.
asciilifeform: worx wonders.
asciilifeform: incidentally i realized that, sadly, trb will need a (simple) patch in order to link via 'g'. from simple fact that, by default, it does not like to connect to
mircea_popescu: not the end of teh worlds.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1022.38, vol: 3983.27409306 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1004.736, vol: 4677.29534 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1024.4, vol: 7022.72149854 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1025.07, vol: 1271.51227339 | Volume-weighted last average: 1018.55100047
asciilifeform: in other lelz, https://archive.is/TanpJ >> 'U.S. intelligence officials have withheld sensitive intelligence from President Donald Trump because they are concerned it could be leaked or compromised, according to current and former officials familiar with the matter.'
mircea_popescu: this'd be a hanging offense wouldn't it.
asciilifeform: theoretically.
BingoBoingo: !~google "navy seal" "trump flag"
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Navy SEALs caught flying Trump flag on Humvee - The San Diego ...: <http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/military/the-intel/sd-me-seals-flag-20170203-story.html>; Navy SEAL convoy spotted flying 'unauthorized' Trump flag: <http://www.wnd.com/2017/02/navy-seal-convoy-spotted-flying-unauthorized-trump-flag/>; A special warfare unit was spotted flying a Trump flag in public. Now ...: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: but they pulled on his balls -- and afaik they came right off.
asciilifeform: vizier -- thrown to the vultures.
mircea_popescu: let's not overstate flynn lel. bannon's teh vizier. so far he outranks cia on the nsc.
asciilifeform: i'd picture that he is next 'ru stooge' then.
mircea_popescu: as i said, it's fun to watch.
asciilifeform: for 'special investigatory commission' to remove.
mircea_popescu: beats the superbowl at any rate.
asciilifeform: '“This is not about who won the election. This is about concerns about institutional integrity,” said Mark Lowenthal, a former senior intelligence official.'
mircea_popescu: anyway. certainly not "next". they've been whining about him since day one, he'd have been 1st, 2nd and 100th, if only could. but the noise is soundly muted out of apparent desperation.
asciilifeform: the last d00d who has this problem, AND solved it 100% -- was stalin. in '37.
BingoBoingo: This year's superbowl was rare good game, and Trump/Brady won in the end
asciilifeform: 'institutional integrity' folx : 1. mr.t : 0. so far.
trinque: no denying flynn was a "rein in teh shadow state" guy, and got popped
asciilifeform: trinque: the correct response would be top 500 of cia org chart found hanging on meat hooks. and afaik no report of this. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude that is like the most inept scoring i ever saw. for one thing, trump scored like 500 touchdowns. for the other, srsly flynn is half a point.
mircea_popescu: get out of here with this dumb shit, you're the equivalent of the prison bitch who "prison bitch : 1 ; prison system : 0" because asshole already loose anyway.
mircea_popescu: and if you're going to count flynn, then "some judge" is worth about what, 72 points and three superbowl nipples ?
asciilifeform: how many judges removed by mr.t to date ?
mircea_popescu: all of them, +/-.
mircea_popescu: us president stated on the record that us federal judge is inept and not to be taken seriously.
mircea_popescu: what more can you want ?
asciilifeform: meathooks.
asciilifeform is simple man.
mircea_popescu: i don't see flynn on any meathooks. be consistent.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, gotta make meathook factory first
mircea_popescu: inconsistent simplicity is indistinguishable from wilful stupidity.
asciilifeform: i'd guess that if he doesn't end on a meathook, it is because he is willing to follow instructions.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hecho en mexico!
trinque: no shit huh? now they know how to meathooks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not guess the same but the other way ? "i never made a budget in a public institution, but if i had i'd know you always overprovision so the '''watchdogs''' can cut something and feel useful. i guess flynn was that."
asciilifeform: balloon ballast?
mircea_popescu: fits flynn better than "vizier" at any rate.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-07#1612018 << fixed, finally ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-07 00:58 mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Irz1K/?raw=true << that's how a call to you looks.
mircea_popescu: nice.
ben_vulpes: in other radiation damage, $client calls up, "hey latest chrome doesn't work with $app from inside the muni vpn" "...can you swing a vpn or shall i get on a plane?"
mircea_popescu: now that's sad.
ben_vulpes: at least we finally routed around the procurement process...
ben_vulpes: and in yet other "you don't own this device" news, my v1 kindle does this amazing trick when i email it .mobi files where it briefly displays them and then immediately removes them
mircea_popescu: learn this one amazing trick a portland dad discovered that apple doesn't want you to know.
ben_vulpes: spoiler alert: it's called a usb cable
ben_vulpes: i am fond of the device. it has a slow, but acceptable resolution screen for reading old texts of middling ocr quality, fits in jeans pocket. most importantly and differentiating it from later models, it shows no ads.
mircea_popescu: they pump ads now ?
ben_vulpes: i know a gent who is cursed with one of the later, more expensive models and he keeps it in a piece of leather to hide the ads. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: oya for years now.
mircea_popescu: nuts.
ben_vulpes: every release past the first if i recall correctly. second you could buy an ad-free version, but...
mircea_popescu: and people actually carry these around ?!
ben_vulpes: excellent little device for erotica on the train "or so i hear"
mircea_popescu: it's quickly becoming a sign of idiocy, like going out in public in flip flops / hoodie or being fat.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes why would you want erotica on the train ?
ben_vulpes: don't ask me, i'm not sixty female and fat
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: there is that.
mircea_popescu: otherwise wtf... so you get hard and... oh shit i didn't plan this far ahead... uhmmm... i guess fuck this here keyhole.
ben_vulpes: i do low-intensity email and various other tasks that don't call for focus on the train
mircea_popescu: last time i was actually on a train-train i bought out the sleeping car and had the girls naked and rubbing before it rolled out of the station.
ben_vulpes: this is a plasti-train
mircea_popescu: in retrospect i guess shoulda brought the adspad.
ben_vulpes: hey i found a slut on the train to pycon one year!
ben_vulpes: forgot about that
mircea_popescu: ah, those. i went on the light rail here, it was a spicy adventure. i don't think they EVER maintain the tracks. solid 10 minutes of screeching.
mircea_popescu: if a car doesn't go offrail there one of these days, argentina is outside normal physics.
ben_vulpes: wait they have 'light rail' in arse?
mircea_popescu: yep
ben_vulpes: el subte?
mircea_popescu: well extension lines to poor people yeah
ben_vulpes: surely not i thought that was an actual subway
ben_vulpes: have they run one to the airport yet ffs?
mircea_popescu: i am relatively proud to say i have by now seen just about every inch of this ~largest town on earth.
mircea_popescu: nope.
ben_vulpes: wth
mircea_popescu: WHY WOULD YOU NEED THAT.
ben_vulpes: train to jfk always beat cabs on price and speed
mircea_popescu: let me make a point here. buenos aires and instanbul are about the same thing, 10mn+ towns, largest in their area etc.
mircea_popescu: istanbul airport processes about 5-10k people/hour, every hour, every day. i haven't seen anything like that since before maga.
mircea_popescu: buenos aires HAS NO DIRECT FLIGHTS. you understand this ? they're like omaha, nebraska, you can fly to flordia or madrid. that's it.
mircea_popescu: timisoara int'l has better connections than eze.
mircea_popescu: and you've seen that glorified parking lot.
ben_vulpes: you keep wanting to backport me to c2
mircea_popescu: oh. you haven't ?
ben_vulpes: retcon*
ben_vulpes: nah, on the list though
mircea_popescu: well, it's about the size of a medium sized mall's parking lot.
ben_vulpes: yaok i get it. no traffic, no train.
mircea_popescu: quite.
ben_vulpes: still. no train to an airport that far from 'downtown' is bogus.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: whole place is bogus.
ben_vulpes: pretty facades, though!
mircea_popescu: quite.
ben_vulpes: a+ steaks and entirely friendly horsefolk too
mircea_popescu: part of the facade.
ben_vulpes: lol
mircea_popescu: you know someone stole my screwdriver today ?
ben_vulpes: the mind boggles at the conspiracy of circumstance that would let a someone near your tools
mircea_popescu: eh, cheap chino item. i set it on the windowsill. stepped inside for a moment. wind rolled it into the gap. when i came back, 5 mins later... gone.
ben_vulpes: brutal
ben_vulpes: also, sad
ben_vulpes: probably no usable steel in it even
mircea_popescu: who the fuck wants a used 10 dollar screwdriver from the sidewalk ffs.
ben_vulpes: i ever tell you about how i took sport in fixing toilets in ars my first trip there?
mircea_popescu: o yeah ?
mircea_popescu: well you did a shit job of it
mircea_popescu: because they're still broken.
ben_vulpes: you just can't trust these people
ben_vulpes: anyways, 9/10 places charging more than twenty dollars a place had at least one busted shitter
mircea_popescu: aha
ben_vulpes: facade of a sushi joint's only shitter was busted
ben_vulpes: and the most amusing 'fixes'
mircea_popescu: it;s something else with the toilets. in any other place, you can guess : cheapo place, dubious shitter ; expensive restaurant, nice shitter.
mircea_popescu: here, it's totally disconnected. you can go to a pretentious restaurant, take an ill advised left and find oyurself in that scene from trainspotting.
mircea_popescu: you can also step into hole in the wall nothingery, ask for toilet, discover that it's immaculate, and slightly larger than the dining hall.
ben_vulpes: myup
mircea_popescu: aqnd it doesn't bother them, any.
ben_vulpes: if the shutters are up
mircea_popescu: i ask the maitre d' "so what happened to your bathroom ?" "uh... it's always been like that."
mircea_popescu: well... that'd be the problem, yes ?
ben_vulpes: upstairs of the cafe where asciilifeform and i had coffees with chetty was hugely bathroom, and the space that wasn't bathroom unused
ben_vulpes: in line with the wannabe shabby chic of the place
mircea_popescu: yeah they're abhorrently bad at allocating real estate.
ben_vulpes: place entirely fails to achieve "delightfully busted" unless you really go looking for it
ben_vulpes: anyways, later
mircea_popescu: tada
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-16#1614456 << you patch it, like literate people; or pay the extra 10bux, like chump ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-16 07:20 ben_vulpes: i know a gent who is cursed with one of the later, more expensive models and he keeps it in a piece of leather to hide the ads.
asciilifeform: that somebody, somewhere, endures the ads, is brain-melting
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you notice anything in the interiors of the sewage system dwellers asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: 0ads
mircea_popescu: yes but did you notice the old phone kept as a statuette ? and the rest of the hipster dumbassery ?
asciilifeform: i assumed they had cut into a line...
mircea_popescu: o you did, did you.
mircea_popescu: you assumed they had a tty somewhgere, also ?
mircea_popescu: that'd be why it's buried under crap, becauswe functional.
asciilifeform: they did have mains current, neh
asciilifeform: so wai not phone
mircea_popescu: tell you what : those people are the quintessential hipsters. that's what a hipster is, exactly that : a bum. like orwell, like all the ironic waitresses / actresses of the west coast. bums. tramps. PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT AT HIME HERE.
mircea_popescu: "it's just a gig, man, it's not my life"
mircea_popescu: that old phone provides a fundamental lifeline. maybe god will call him on that phone any day now.
mircea_popescu: that phone is the palpable (it has to be! hipsters don;'t have souls), certain mark of apartenence. they are people too, because of that phone, you see ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: same thing with the ads.
mircea_popescu: mark of the covenant, with their ancestor lord-saint graham bell.
asciilifeform: i have definitely seen proper bums with phone here in my monkeystan. so this is solid.
mircea_popescu: the notion that meryl streep is in any way different from bruce lee of bucharest's sewers, or for that matter you-name-her-nameless-activist-du-jour is possibly contemporaneity's best lol.
mircea_popescu: "for as lord as i hear the voice of google and all the websaints, i am not properly alone in teh valley of where mp rapes my buttonhole daily."|
mircea_popescu: ever wondered why people who literally do nothing online, spend all day on quora or wikipedia or whatever, get so irate if their signal dies ? "omaigawd no internet" "bitch, this is good for youcoin."
asciilifeform: actually i have almost nfi re who these are or how
mircea_popescu: you gotta fuck wild, man.
asciilifeform: always assumed that they are slaves in some phb office, redditing when boss not looking
mircea_popescu: mostly "students". recall the chick being educated over phone ?
trinque: nah they're baristas that teach yoga and but really someday my (obscure pointless hobby) will be discovered on etsygogo
mircea_popescu: just about. 20yos too lame to fuck being kept busy so nobody has to notice they're actually too lame to fuck.
mircea_popescu: trinque they're hysterical with the self-identifying, too. "i do x-with-y dorkitude". you know, like "i'm a doctor". "i paint seashells with nail polish"
mircea_popescu: oh, THAT'S what you do. how about when you're not being 5, what do you do then ?
trinque: met a chick in portland that literally made cat bowties
trinque: not out of cat, mind, but for them
mircea_popescu: i met one who made papier mache hats.
mircea_popescu: and AT FIRST i thought she's the tits, because hey, seemed like she's aware of a by now 20 yo mockery of the exact genre.
mircea_popescu: but no. she was playing gorge's accountant girlfriend straight for chrissakes
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: had me going for a while, you know, cause obviously my retort was "what do you do when it rains"
mircea_popescu: and she went "oh, they're art silly, you hang them on the wall"
mircea_popescu: totally unaware. jawdrop of the year.
asciilifeform: i'd much rather see retarded folx make hats for cats, endearingly harmless , than to shit into the net, imho
mircea_popescu: it is neither endearing nor harmless. it is animal abuse.
mircea_popescu: and i mean that literally.
asciilifeform: waiwat they actually put'em on?
mircea_popescu: animals are not your fucking "companions" anymore than you're an oil rig.
trinque: nah you let people be inane by themselves too long, they get self-important and will return to foist it upon you
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the cats dun enter into it.
asciilifeform: elaborate?
mircea_popescu: mkay. 1. animals don't matter. ducttaping around a chicken and fucking it for fun is not animal abuse ; 2. people are at the center. imagining the chicken is your companion IS animal abuse, in that you abuse the animal.
mircea_popescu: ie, chicken CAN be fucked in the manner described ; but chicken CAN NOT be your companion.
asciilifeform: aah
asciilifeform: i dun see a massive diff b/w trying to use chicken as fuckhole and as 'companion'
mircea_popescu: but chicken works as fuckhole.
asciilifeform: both starvation behaviour
asciilifeform: like eating mud in the culturalrevolution
mircea_popescu: do you see the difference between trying to use transformer as capacitor and trying to use transformer as father ?
mircea_popescu: former is starvation behaviour ; latter is retardation behaviour. starvation of a different kind, of a different part. no blood supply to brain.
asciilifeform: advanced starvation is probably difficult to distinguish from organic retardation yes
mircea_popescu: depends for whom. syphilis and staphilococcus infection also difficult to distinguish, for layman.
mircea_popescu: "bacterial infection". well yes, mr watson.
asciilifeform: in other lulzies,
asciilifeform: 'Security expert and doomsayer Bruce Schneier – speaking by video owing to RSA Conference commitments in San Francisco and perhaps prescience with regard to seasonal travel challenges – predicted that the government is coming to handcuff coders. "We all had this special right to code the world as we saw fit," said Schneier. "My guess is we're going to lose that right, because it's too dangerous ☟︎
asciilifeform: to give to a bunch of techies."'
mircea_popescu: oh he's a doomsayer is he
asciilifeform: 'predicted'
mircea_popescu: i like it how cuban is "billionaire" also.
asciilifeform: ( http://archive.is/6ZC1X )
mircea_popescu: dork. who the fuck asked anyone anything.
mircea_popescu: how do you say axe handle in english ?
asciilifeform: afaik you don't
mircea_popescu: makes sense.
asciilifeform: (ru has the word, en -- not)
asciilifeform: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/15/white_house_drama_and_confide_app << another lulzie from same rag, re a fauxpgp supposedly used by 'white house staffers'
asciilifeform: '...the software, available for iOS and Android, basically uses the OpenPGP standard to perform public-private cryptography, uses AES for ephemeral per-message encryption, and exchanges public keys between users via TLS connections with certificate pinning.'
mircea_popescu: lol ios.
asciilifeform: aha. and 'certificate pinning'.
mircea_popescu: "basically". did you cheat on me ? "basically not"
asciilifeform: ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-14#1613822 . ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-14 15:34 mircea_popescu: for it to count it can't be denied, which comes down to, because michael flynn contains nothing, encryption doesn't help him in any way.
asciilifeform: elsewhere in lulzdom, http://archive.is/Evns5 << mr.t's bank publicly pisses on him
mircea_popescu: does that do anything ?
asciilifeform: nfi. but i was under impression that folx expected to piss back, do not get pissed on in this way.
phf: multitran has gotten completely useless, it gives grip, shank and tang, though the last two are the metal parts (at least in case of knives)
mircea_popescu: waitwhat
asciilifeform: for the axe
asciilifeform: handle
mircea_popescu: lol
phf: right
phf: i was curious. mt uses to produce pretty accurate translations that i would not have guessed, but it's been wikipidiotized at some point, so now it gives every single possible relevant translation
phf: *used to
mircea_popescu: anyway. the point being, for the anglos, that the axe is the tool you use to chop down forest, and the axe handle is made of wood.
asciilifeform: google fails unsurprisingly: https://translate.google.com/#ru/en/%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%89%D0%B5
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-16#1614552 << http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/02/14/nokia-bring-back-historic-3310/ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-16 14:24 mircea_popescu: that phone is the palpable (it has to be! hipsters don;'t have souls), certain mark of apartenence. they are people too, because of that phone, you see ?
asciilifeform: i'd bet that the 'reprinted' nokia will resemble that ti calculator
asciilifeform: (the one where there is a GHz arm, running shitlinux, and inside it, emulator of the original 68k calc)
asciilifeform: because -- elementarily -- the original components are no longer available.
asciilifeform: (the 68k, in particular, is ~only~ sold by freescale, and at screamingly usgistic price)
asciilifeform: http://www.freeavatars.50webs.org/3310-PCB-OPEN.jpg << oh hah, complete docz
asciilifeform: for the original
asciilifeform had no idea this existed
asciilifeform: http://dual-alex.narod.ru/3310inside.html << machine-readable ver.
phf: well it's like with fpgas. once you have complete documentation, it means there's no possible way to get the thing
mircea_popescu: lel
asciilifeform: phf: more or less. sorta like Officially Declassified usgolade.
asciilifeform: certifiably ~useless.
asciilifeform: (my first encounter with this, was many years, as a boy, i went on a tour of the u.s. mint, back when they gave tours, and they had a souvenir shop where you could buy shredded benjies by the kilogram)
mircea_popescu: i thought there's a service where you send them your mangled/burned/whatever bills and they credit it to your account.
asciilifeform: lolno, only for langley.
asciilifeform: (at one point u.s. mint ~did~ have a service where you could order dollar coins via the post, paying with cc. it led to a mass chumping of cc banks that offered 'x% back!', until the hole was plugged.)
phf: pretty sure every "hacker's top toolz" cd from gorbushka had an nfo file describing this hack
asciilifeform: aaaha right next to 'blue box' schematic
asciilifeform: Old Hax behave like fpga docs etc.
asciilifeform: 'here kid, have a harmless demil'd toy'
phf: i suspect the cds predate the "here kid". they would also contain current issues of phrack. the thinking is probably "i'm going to pad it with every single thing i could find on my upstream BBS"
asciilifeform: lulzily, i never held in my hands a physical cd with any of these
asciilifeform: but can picture that in orclands with poor net pipe they might circulate on disks to this very day
asciilifeform: and incidentally this may very well include usa in not too distant future, and these disks -- will come back
phf: hehe, you left too early. those cds were like a boy's treasure trove box. you never knew what you're going to get, but every one of them promissed mystery ~and delivered!!!~
asciilifeform: ( recall when i suggested to distribute trb+buildroot+gcc et al. on a cdrom. )
asciilifeform: aha i left when 'mystery disk' was a 5inch floppy that elder brother would bring home from chum's house.
asciilifeform: Full Of Treasures.
phf: so you missed out on "10000 best games!! (for DOS)" cds too
asciilifeform: actually met these, but in usa.
phf: you'd basically save your change and not buy a piece of pastry three of four times during lunch, so you could pick up one of those beautise
asciilifeform: 'shovelware bin' in comp shop.
phf: nah, full blown games, not shovelware. typically rar'ed and gotten through the most brutal of scene strips, so no cutscenes, no cd audio tracks, typically pre-cracked
asciilifeform: aah the cd equiv. of those white vhs tapes.
asciilifeform: no, i did not live to see this in person.
asciilifeform: though i did play these same rips from warez leeched via 9600baud modem.
asciilifeform: for years had no idea that such a thing as voice tracks ever existed in, e.g., the sierra games.
phf: haha, same
phf: which also meant that some guys were forever unobtanium. like phatansmagoria, i saw it at a "legit" computer store once, but didn't get to play until i could lift it off tpb years later
phf: *some games
asciilifeform: i still wonder re the lost world of mac warez. were there significant gamez?
asciilifeform: for the 68k, or ppc macs.
asciilifeform: these were ~nonexistent on warez, and i never had the machine. so it was complete mystery.
phf: i think there was this famous doom-like, that came out before doom, but otherwise it seems like all were either ports from dos, or else ported to dos
asciilifeform: suspected so.
phf: i briefly had an account on a mac warez server, that you could only connect to using a mac os 9 exclusive tool (in 2010!)
phf: but it was all mostly "creative professional" tools. audio, dylan/lisp stuff, hypercard
phf: i've been trying to track down whole earths catalog hypercard for a while, but so far unsuccesfully. haven't tried hard enough though
phf: hmm, battery about to expire. afk
asciilifeform: when i was writing http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 , it took me surprising amount of sweat to track down a working copy of hypercard
asciilifeform: it was, evidently, one of those 'everyone who wants, already has' affairs.
mircea_popescu: and in today's better living through perversion :
mircea_popescu: toast almonds. straight out of the oven, nice and HOT put them in old style glass, pour cognac on top.
mircea_popescu: bout 2-3 per shot.
mircea_popescu: phf no cutscenes and no cd audio tracks was the standard for my gaming experience. tbh i liked it.
asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: i also prefer older formats for movies. was only last week screaming at girl, "stop getting movies over 650mb. it is enough."
asciilifeform: many years later i saw the uncut versions and meh
mircea_popescu: fucking 7gb monstrosities they do nowadays. like i really have to see the unwatchable crap in high definition.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeat they don't quite live to expectation huh.
mircea_popescu: i for first time saw mm7 cutscenes recently. they're pretty idiotic.
mircea_popescu: then again, diablo 2 notably got to keep its cutscenes. so i think it was very much an aesthetic decision.
asciilifeform: as for the 7gb films, they are not entirely an abuse, 650MB warez gives compression artifacts the size of a palm when watched on projector screen. the fact that nobody's made a film worth watching in ages, is separate issue.
mircea_popescu: well ?
mircea_popescu: yes i'll get archival copy of stuff i like. amusingly, 99% of which doesn't exist in better resolution anyway. wtf am i going to do with an archival copy of cat on the hot tin roof, watch the original artefacts in preference of the modern ones ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: once in a while a high-res scan turns up.
mircea_popescu: but of what. i had "high res" scan of andalou dog in my hands, the real mccoy. 99% compressed it looked exactly the same the original's just that bad.
mircea_popescu: ~nobody knows because hey, "trade secret", but the shape of the old celuloid vaults is beyond sad.
asciilifeform: actually this is well-known
mircea_popescu: thousands of films pre technicolor are alread yloist ; the few remaining kinda going that way.
asciilifeform: they are being deliberately rotted, to delete competition for modern shitfilm
asciilifeform: and erase cultural memory in the general case.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes it's well known by people in the know. nobody else, becauyse hey, nytimes has a lifestyle section.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect you're right. of course, a nation that deliberately destroys the memory of competence in the hopes of making life more comfortable for itself merely succeeds in making death that much closer. but that's another tale.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wouldn't be surprised if it came out that the old celluloids were properly burned.
mircea_popescu: hundreds were in fact.
mircea_popescu: multiple incidents, including a large and quite deliberate bonfire.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, apparently bitpay will not show you the bitcoin address unless you provide them with an email address.
mircea_popescu: teh furhrer is getting impatient eh.
asciilifeform: lel bitpay still exists?!
mircea_popescu: retard-to-bitcoin interfaces aren't going away.
mircea_popescu: i recall they cut staff at some point. haven't pulled the plug yet evidently.
mircea_popescu: i guess one box, one man and his red stapler in an office building basement somewhere do yet survive.
asciilifeform: probably will survive indefinitely the way pawn shops survived in many countries -- as honeypot
mircea_popescu: prolly. hence the email lulz.
mircea_popescu: but hey, at least it drives adoption for ben_vulpes 's thing
mircea_popescu: (still found at m.bvulpes.com btw)
asciilifeform: btw i'm not certain if the old films are being burned for commercial reasons, or very specific cultural cleansing: you can see the faces of now-extinct types of civilization-builders, their works, in old film, in a way that is not so accessible (at least to the simple folx) from viewing static photo
mircea_popescu: well it's usually a mix of stupids.
asciilifeform: it is quite plain however that the lizards do not wish it to be remembered that other types of people than the current bonsaikittens, once existed.
asciilifeform: where was that mircea_popescu article! the one with the ww1 soldier
asciilifeform: 'say hello to mr. adultmale'
mircea_popescu: !~google site:trilema.com adult male nightmare
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: yeah very useful you are.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-am-not-a-white-nationalist << apparently here
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: a good chunk of copyrasty, while we're at it, is ~not~ about getting users to pay
asciilifeform: but specifically about annihilating old material
asciilifeform: you cannot, for instance, buy license for mac os 9, from crapple
asciilifeform: or winxp from microshit
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: or of liz taylor's cunt pics.
asciilifeform: ( though occasional surprise -- you CAN buy, e.g., vms! )
asciilifeform: http://www.openvmshobbyist.com << believe or not.
Reuel: Hey guys, how come deedbot spits out article urls every know and then? Is it like an ownership registration?
mircea_popescu: like where ?
mircea_popescu: it follows v arious rss feeds, like trilema's, qntra's, phuctor's etc
mircea_popescu: so when there's new items it reports them
Reuel: ah right
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1035.78, vol: 5494.42935491 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1018.0, vol: 6354.90135 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1039.5, vol: 10655.73451667 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 983.243444, vol: 4900.12350000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1039.79, vol: 1835.91811653 | Volume-weighted last average: 1024.71939288
ben_vulpes: https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20170216.txt
BingoBoingo: ty ben_vulpes, Happy birthday to me!
ben_vulpes: happy birthday, BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: wishes unnecessary with presents like that link
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/02/coindesk-bitcoin-price-malaise-as-us-dollar-continues-to-trade-under-0-001-btc/ << Qntra - Coindesk: Bitcoin Price Malaise! (As US Dollar Continues To Trade Under 0.001 BTC)
ben_vulpes: and a hispanic for labor secretary! so racist!
BingoBoingo: 4real!
mod6: hbd bb
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: have a bday gift: https://archive.is/Us9yS
asciilifeform: https://russian.rt.com/world/news/359770-pranker-vovan-makkein << details of the hoax (victims have not, afaik, yet denied that they were owned)
shinohai raises a glass of hot tea in BingoBoingo's honor
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, check out blockchain.info failing to get its txn included now : http://archive.is/N7xxz
mircea_popescu: re bitpay earlier. and generally speaking, expecting the y-shitonator bitcoin "infrastructure" simply going away by the end of the year isn't exactly misplaced.
mircea_popescu: (depending how capable one is re bitcoin network, you might be able to see they tried to relay it starting ~26 hours ago, but plenty of places didn't even hear about it until ~6 hours ago).
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think the content of the rt link may have happened in angloverse.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, it's a 100% solid wall of unhappen.
asciilifeform: 0 denials, 0 mentions at all.
asciilifeform: anywhere.
mircea_popescu: aha. so translate and publish.
asciilifeform: https://www.rt.com/viral/377259-limpopo-elections-hacking-prank/ << rt seems to have the 1st round translated
asciilifeform: ^ with audio
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: for the 'property rights in usa' and 'goldbuggery' files, https://archive.is/aK1aC >> 'COLUMBUS, Ohio - A federal judge is giving a former deep-sea treasure hunter another chance to reveal information about the location of 500 missing gold coins.'
asciilifeform: '... Marbley has held Thompson in contempt of court since December 2015 for violating terms of a plea deal by refusing to respond to questions about the coins' locations.'
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: check it out, judge "giving chance" ? what is this, a romantic comedy ? dork with no tits and no clue "giving another chance" for someone to be her meal ticket ?
asciilifeform: aha, gotta love the phrasing
mircea_popescu: stop watching daytime tv, america.
asciilifeform: 'wrecker given another chance to confess'
mircea_popescu: 15yo marches downstairs, "i am giving you another chance to buy me a car"
mircea_popescu: bitch, if and when i feel like buying you a new pair of sneakers i know where the shop is and where i keep my money.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-31#817461 << see also. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-08-31 18:52 asciilifeform: so, formula is: 'don't own. if you own, don't admit it. if you admit it, don't write about it. if you own and admit and write, don't sign your name. if you own, admit, write, and sign name, don't be surprised.' (apologies to rev. t. reese.)
asciilifeform: i can already picture the d00d throwing a cryptogram into the crowd at his hanging, like capt. kidd.
asciilifeform: but usg dun do hangings; it does 'coke machine'.
mircea_popescu: female state. it expects its victims to want to get shit done, and hence they came up with that.
mircea_popescu: repackaging of the ancient socialistoid idiocy, "oh, creative people just can't keep themselves from creating shit we can all eat" ; except it's "men can't sit put" now. whatevs.
asciilifeform: i wonder if he is sitting in same jail as the encrypted hdd d00d
asciilifeform: (how many of them now. dozen?)
mircea_popescu: "the" ? lmao there's thousands of these.
asciilifeform: if you actually have a list of the thousands, might be interesting to publish?
asciilifeform: or is it simply fermi estimate.
mircea_popescu: i don't, specifically, but you run into them with some regularity when spelunking in court "records".
mircea_popescu: way way too common an occurence for there to be that few. shit's more common than murder, definitely.
asciilifeform: long-term 'captain kidds', as i currently understand, are rare.
asciilifeform: but have genuinely nfi.
mircea_popescu: i've not been reviewing prison records. but if you do - guaranteed steady supply of wtf.
mircea_popescu: for instace : more than half of the people doing time at any specific moment are NOT actually convicted of anything.
mircea_popescu: merely waiting for court system to get its shit together. average wait time well over 18 months.
asciilifeform: also unlike sov world, time sat in 'jail' (i.e. pre-sentencing, vs 'prison') does not automagically subtract from the sentence, if sentenced.
asciilifeform: in usa.
mircea_popescu: and yet they STILL sign the fucking plea bargains, like the idiots that they obviously are.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi tbh.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if they all demanded to be tried, queue time would average to multiple years, like in ru
mircea_popescu: lol multiple years. multiple centuries, like in austrian empire.
asciilifeform: (iirc it was ~2y in late '90s)
mircea_popescu: afaik da who doesn't get plea bargains > 95% is fired.
mircea_popescu: which is the fucking point. ONE non plea-bargain item ruins his month. do that.
asciilifeform: there was room enough for, e.g., ulbricht, to be sentenced for life
mircea_popescu: that dude's too stupid to live independently anyway.
hanbot: asciilifeform> hanbot: first apply the basic litmus: does the thing eat rpc commands while blackholed ? yepper, eats. no malleus. meanwhile has caught up without restart, and meanwhile also noticed my addnode medley's outdated.
asciilifeform: hanbot: (and everyone else reporting a suboptimally-behaving trb node) -- plz consider stating the vpatch-set
BingoBoingo: ty asciilifeform for the linkpresent, and others for the wishes
asciilifeform: (no malleus; but which 'yes'es?)
asciilifeform: different patch sets will give trb with DEEPLY differing behaviours.
BingoBoingo: Also ty President Trump for the lulzy press conference
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: summarizing lulz?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Trying, may just plop transcript in a block quote
BingoBoingo binging on cake today. I am powerless over cake and my lyfe is still pretty manageable.
ben_vulpes: caek!
ben_vulpes: $girl has been probing for the caek i will eat. so far, not much success.
asciilifeform: 'As part of intelligence operations being conducted against the United States for the last seven months, at least one Western European ally intercepted a series of communications before the inauguration between advisers associated with President Donald Trump and Russian government officials, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation. ... Moreover, a Baltic nation is gathering intelligence on officials in the Trump Wh
asciilifeform: ite House and executives with the president’s company, the Trump Organization, out of concern that an American policy shift toward Russia could endanger its sovereignty, according to a third person with direct ties to that nation’s government.' (from lulzweek)
ben_vulpes: gathering intelligence!
ben_vulpes: why, this is unheard of.
asciilifeform: ( https://archive.is/xIZk7 )
ben_vulpes: and moreover if anyone had heard of usg.intel doing it as well, that's a) fake news b) old news and c) standard diplomatic behavior...for us
asciilifeform: mighty lulzy to describe baltic bantustans as having 'sovereignty' for someone to 'endanger'..
BingoBoingo: lol, like fence can be sovereign
BingoBoingo: In other truth-indeterminate news http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/02/16/third-arrest-made-planned-arrest-attack-deploraball/