mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bugpowder well that's pretty dumb then
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo oh, "embattled" is it. lol. how's the derp know what whitey's gonna give him ?
mircea_popescu: and in other party news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/9b28c313e3002790c507dc53b1abb8cc/tumblr_o95qn6jPRd1v2jlxco1_500.gif
Framedragger: [21:39:35] <mircea_popescu> Framedragger ironically, that was in the log :D << oh.. damn! >.<
mircea_popescu: $up than\
deedbot: than\ voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: $up than
deedbot: than voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: was phf traveling or something ?
asciilifeform: no logz, huh.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: muchas gracias. i've implemented a fix. we'll now see if i twisted the right knob.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487103 << in a word : drones. i met some local kids recently who were doing exactly this. they shot a scene for the latest xmen movie but most of what they do is 3d modelling like this for local businesses. these kids were ~so~ sophisticated. made it seem like drone + software did 99% of the work on its own.☝︎
pete_dushenski: https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/illiberalism-worldwide-crisis/ << o hey look its danielpbarron
trinque: "astonishing" !
trinque: thank god or whoever that this is becoming visible; I am not waiting til I'm 80 for fiatocalypse
trinque: http://www.inquisitr.com/3241149/texit-texas-nationalist-movement-calls-for-secession-from-united-states-following-historic-brexit-vote/
trinque: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/04/is-texas-plan-to-bring-home-its-stockpile-of-gold-bars-a-step-toward-secession/
pete_dushenski: if uk, why not texas and cold texas (aka alberta)
thestringpuller: oh logs are down
thestringpuller: just silently down
pete_dushenski: for a while now
trinque: pete_dushenski: age of chewing social structures into small, fluid, agile creatures
thestringpuller: trinque: til I'm 80 for fiatocalypse << next generation's problems. train the children well with lots of beatings.
trinque: anyone worth a shit already had them when being raised in TX
thestringpuller: sure. but make sure you continue the legacy.
thestringpuller: don't want the children of hipsters from brooklyn to grow up and try to make everything 100% socialist
trinque: I don't think it's apparent from the outside that TX having it's own culture isn't some kind of marketing brand or hashtag
trinque: this place openly hates DC as much as asciilifeform does
thestringpuller: i think anyone who lives in DC hates DC
thestringpuller: didn't white people not live in DC for the entiritey of the crack epidemic
pete_dushenski: trinque: the pendulum swings back and forth, usually bloodily
pete_dushenski: the chewing this time is of a mayobeast cow, however. not a tasty slaughter, but necessary all the same.
pete_dushenski: http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/violencenobelsymposium.pdf << for statisticians reading
thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4pmsok/cnledger_on_twitter_jihanwu_jihanwu_bitcoin/d4m7rz2 << Roger Ver has brainwashed these people into denial
pete_dushenski: "He apparently achieved this paragon of intellectual dishonestly through plain cultural osmosis." << extra 'l', mircea_popescu
thestringpuller: "lol, what exactly is your (Popescu & friends) leverage to veto changes other than a supposedly large stash of coins that you keep threatening to crash the price with?"
thestringpuller: isn't ironic people say shit like this, but then luke-jr joins the channel to get "support for hardfork". then immediately after being shut down is like "okay guys. they still hate us power rangers. I don't think we should talk about hard forks any time soon, cause it ain't happening"
thestringpuller: so much denial.
pete_dushenski: not just a river in egypt
pete_dushenski: also the cesspool in luke's noggin
thestringpuller: Ver apparently likes to wade around in cesspools. Isn't he pretty much a d00d without a passport?
thestringpuller: Has a JP visa cause "HEY D00D I LIKE ANIME AND I'M A WEABOO"
pete_dushenski: more like a thai-bo punching bag but hey, "close enough to relevance"
pete_dushenski: heh anyone else remember billy blanks' fitness magique ? no way something that ~hard~ would fly today. "gimme my pills, shakes, and sauna belts and stop blocking oprah!"
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: have you checked out my new blog yet lolol
pete_dushenski: lol i dun even know the url
thestringpuller: http://thestringpuller.com << pete_dushenski
thestringpuller: just put up a new article too
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski as in "pain" ?
pete_dushenski: as in 'dishonesty'
pete_dushenski: :)
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: nifty. and overdue!
mircea_popescu: oh lol
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller dude, obscure reddit is obscure. who ever cares, what.
pete_dushenski: http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/#comment-117792 << at least to my ear
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90srnnzznTI << uzbeki mega-tunnel built 3 months ahead of schedule. impossibru ? not if china builds it.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 687.3099999999999, Best ask: 688.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.69000, Last trade: 687.3099999999999, 24 hour volume: 77350.78216166999, 24 hour low: 634.51, 24 hour high: 698.0, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: in other somewhat lulz, https://etherchain.org/statistics/dao
mircea_popescu: (explanation for sane people : in another of countless "we'll shave with the blender and paint walls by dripping nail polish on upturned, revved motorcycle wheel" creative moves of the mit derps, they're "temporarily" using the miner signalling for difficulty to mean miner signalling for implementing their derpy soft-fork. because nothing bad can ever come out of arbitrary, non-designed redefinitions of the meaning of mechani
mircea_popescu: sms as you go. especially if it's for a good cause, such as bloating upstream code with random exceptions required to fix errors in downstream. you know, like windows does it.)
mircea_popescu: (this also means that the postponing from here http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489088 just got posponed again. by another 50k blocks, ie ~a week.☝︎
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Hail, Caesar! - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/25/hail-caesar/
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i'm talking about the integration of imu data, possible points in three-space from frame to frame, among just a few things that go into turning a set of stills into a painted point cloud
ben_vulpes: tracking* possible points...
ben_vulpes: but yes. "drones".
pete_dushenski: don't forget "software"
ben_vulpes: the term of art is "structure from motion".
ben_vulpes was idly hoping to waste time on kalman filters in preliminary research but much of the heavy lifting seems to have been done already.
ben_vulpes: can't tell how poorly without actually trying to duct-tape more open sores together, though.
ben_vulpes: i've read a few interesting ways of attacking the problem, and the wrinkles that crop up (brightness variation, for one), and one *hilarious* set of assumptions that some people make in the name of performance
ben_vulpes: that lines are either perpendicular or parallel to gravity
ben_vulpes: noshit.jpg does that make your correlation task a bit easier
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459609 << more like end of july. relocating to the 'burbs wasn't in that estimate.☝︎
pete_dushenski: "The Pentagon plans to announce the repeal of its ban on openly serving transgender service members next month, U.S. defense officials said. The repeal would come five years after a 2011 decision to end the U.S. military's ban on gays and lesbians serving openly, despite fears - which proved unfounded - that such a move would be too great a burden in wartime and would undermine readiness." << PROOOOOOVED unfounded. sci
pete_dushenski: entificarry, presumabry.
pete_dushenski to bed. single-parenting this weekend. necessito energia.
asciilifeform: STILL no log.
asciilifeform: phf is eager to become the next nanotube??
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://urbit.org/blog/dao << riot of lulz
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: running tmsr infrastructure iz hardworkz
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: how are you on this fine saturday?
shinohai: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 675.96, vol: 8010.56160209 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 648.37, vol: 8037.4695 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 681.35, vol: 53885.9152148 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 650.0, vol: 1.449 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 684.595989, vol: 63114.65760000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 680.37, vol: 2418.75288927 | Volume-weighted last average: 680.569015845
mircea_popescu: $up liead
deedbot: liead voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform myeah tis getting kinda ridiculous ;/
asciilifeform: sure is.
asciilifeform: luckily i have my own logtron, but it isn't linkable to
asciilifeform: anyway i am falling down from the sheer l0ltr0n1c force of mr mold's defense of eth
mircea_popescu: so make it linkable to so it can go down every week and we can bitch at you also.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i just might
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's two kinds of men in this world. those who walk with their life in palm of hand ; and those who have a job to do.
mircea_popescu: mr mold got a job to do. much like mr. max, and every other capon in the history of "civilisation", he got a snatch he's chained to and belabouring to please.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at terror ranch, http://66.media.tumblr.com/fa9a2501411802f10f1ddcaf88a17b7f/tumblr_o95tgbwNUD1u0i0qzo1_400.gif
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well yeah, but i thought he had his ~own~ eth
mircea_popescu: heh.
thestringpuller: don't we need to pay for nice things?
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160624/05351534808/judge-says-fbi-can-hack-computers-without-warrant-because-computer-users-get-hacked-all-time.shtml
thestringpuller: monetize da logz
mircea_popescu: ahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: epic.
mircea_popescu: you hear that ? judge says, hacking usg computers fair game.
asciilifeform: it was always fair game.
mircea_popescu: lol fags in the us army ruining us army proved unfounded ?
mircea_popescu: moar private manning, plox.
mircea_popescu: anyway asciilifeform , the usg.desperation should be palpable, if they're scraping the barrel so close to the wood they've dredged up curtis yarvin, even.
mircea_popescu: anyway, nice idiotarian piece, most premises are respectable, every single conclusion is tendentiously false.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in some circles this sort of thing is an achievement.
phf: so i still have time to fix bot before asciilifeform releases own in six months to a year, right?
mircea_popescu: hopefully :D
mircea_popescu: what happened anyway ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-25#1490109 << i'd almost consider moving to an independent texas.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-25 03:18 trinque: http://www.inquisitr.com/3241149/texit-texas-nationalist-movement-calls-for-secession-from-united-states-following-historic-brexit-vote/
mircea_popescu: was ~the only part of the us that didn't stink of ustardism.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/the-internet-of-shit/ << check out the update, btw.
mircea_popescu: most of them got shut down within 16 hours or somesuch.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yeah saw
asciilifeform: and srsly?
asciilifeform: then again sp4mz0rz treat ips like toilet paper
asciilifeform: nothing is ever really killed..
mircea_popescu: what can i tell yea.
mircea_popescu: i suspect most of this was voluntary, actually. it's good business for them to avoid anything with claws.
mircea_popescu: i expect trilema is on a blacklist now.
asciilifeform: likely.
mircea_popescu: which, honestly, is EXACTLY how things should fucking work.
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely nothing wrong with "police brutality", just as long as the brutalized are the losers. rape is actually right and proper, just as long as the only rape victims are poor women and their children, whatever sex or age. etcetera.
mircea_popescu: no human claws, no human rights.
asciilifeform: sanitation is still a thing.
mircea_popescu: need i link to the spanish discussion ?
mircea_popescu: sanitation is not for everyone.
asciilifeform: i was just about to.
asciilifeform: and the reason the good count de alba y yeltes was a nut, is that it dun work this way.
asciilifeform: without sewer, kings die as well as slaves.
asciilifeform: some things don't compartmentalize.
mircea_popescu: the reason the good count failed (which has little to do with his being a nut) is that briefly, economic conditions dictated to pretend the worms are "all people". that brief bubble burst, meanwhile.
mircea_popescu: history is back on its sanity track, rather than the exceptional "tail end of industrialism before robotics" moment.
asciilifeform: sanitation dun scale down to 'boutique economy'.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean ?
asciilifeform: well, say mircea_popescu's castle has sanitary fixtures, but surrounding plebeville doesn't.
mircea_popescu: ok.
asciilifeform: he goes out to collect fucktoys, catches his death.
mircea_popescu: (which is exactly how things are right now)
mircea_popescu: catches nothing.
mircea_popescu: i collected more fucktoys than you collected post parcels, here i am.
asciilifeform: because this isn't what we have now.
mircea_popescu: no, because the magical moment of "tail end of industrialism before robotics" are gone.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i'm surprised you haven't been to a burn-like festival.
asciilifeform: he lives in a 20th c. - style town. with sewer.
mircea_popescu: THEN it was a certain way. but then and then only, at no point prior and - if trhere's any mercy in the heavens - at no point ulterior.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform first off, favelas don't have sewage
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu hangs out in favelas?!
mircea_popescu: i was too preoccupied otherwise to take pictures of street - with channel down middle, like 1600 spain!
mircea_popescu: do you want to see it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of course i do! what, where the fuck do you pick up fucktoys, huh ?
asciilifeform: yes!
asciilifeform: it sounds fascinating
mircea_popescu: aite next i go ima try an' keep my mind on the road.
asciilifeform: neato.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller why ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do i catch ? syphilis ? not that i ever did, but it's a quintuple shot of biseptol. tuberculosis ? lmao. you can't even catch tuberculosis, there's a "must be this poor to ride" that train. what, exactly ? lice is directly visible.
mircea_popescu: other than pancreatic cancer, that one scythed lady which cost us both jobs and mcculler, there's ~nothing. and you don't catch that.
asciilifeform: not established to my satisfaction.
asciilifeform suspects that most cancers are viral
mircea_popescu: eh.
mircea_popescu: even if they were, it'd be more the fault of your mom not coming from a sufficiently slutty line of whores, to give you good immunity matrix,
mircea_popescu: than anything else.
asciilifeform: also resistant tb is a thing.
mircea_popescu: you, personally, today, couldn't catch tb if you tried.
asciilifeform: i fully expect to die of it in american jail.
mircea_popescu: it is a disease of the dungeon dweller.
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point here is : that for as long as "upper body strength" was the bottleneck limiting human civilisation, you had male citizenship. had females been advantaged by nature there, you'd have had female citizenship. they aren't, it's a cruel joke, watch slavegirls trying to build up muscle and weep sometime.
mircea_popescu: THEN steam power rendered actual muscle irrelevant, but control wasn't good enough to supplant people. and so there was a brief period, almost a century in length, during which "humanity" ie, the ability to finely control complex mechanisms, was the basis of humanity.
mircea_popescu: and so all the nonsense from the various exalted diet technichians, engels and carnegey and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: but that period ended. and with it - all the momentary crap deluding itself with permanence.
asciilifeform: ended srsly? where is the robot that picks tomato ?
mircea_popescu: today control is even cheaper than power. and the basis for humanity is vested in a % of a %, rather than "men" or "everyone patient enough"
mircea_popescu: you should visit farms sometime.
asciilifeform: i did
asciilifeform: no robot.
mircea_popescu: apple orchards now are constructed for robot. ie, tree isn't even recognizable tree anymore, but this lengthy thread on a stick.
mircea_popescu: best example though : cereal crops. are you aware it is today more productive to build them in the pillar system than in the traditional plowing system ?
asciilifeform: we dun even ~have~ computer, really. any more than newcomen had engine.
asciilifeform: we have cheap simulacra.
mircea_popescu: EVEN IF you lose the difference between pi r^2 and 4r^2
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is besides the point. i did not say "computer". i said control.
asciilifeform: we dun have it.
mircea_popescu: it is cheaper for you to install a camera and "image recognition" than to hire a guard ; and the results ARE BETTER.
asciilifeform: but i would like to see the pillar thing.
mircea_popescu: even as they don't work. but guard doesn't work even worse.
mircea_popescu: which is the story of lee sedol.
mircea_popescu: yes, the computer doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: neither does the korean.
asciilifeform: i still think the story of lee sedol is a story of match fraud.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's basically this crane that spins. the corners aren't cultivated, but the crane tends to the crop 100%
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cheating is not forbidden.
asciilifeform: this type of cheat is as old as the game. but it used to come with beheading when caught.
mircea_popescu: and if you can't be caught, it's not a cheat.
mircea_popescu: which is the problem here - not that they cheated or not. that they can't be caught. which they can't. end of story.
asciilifeform: this might be where we disagree.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe we disagree on terminology.
asciilifeform: there 'is no proof, no witnesses' until one day there are.
mircea_popescu: bluffing - is "cheating", to the noob. however, bluffing when the opponent can't afford to call, ie, doesn't have the resources to take advantage, is simply history.
mircea_popescu: this is how hitler ended up "the bad".
mircea_popescu: hey, who's gonna call the bluff ?
mircea_popescu: and so that's the point there, not whether google did or did not create the item in question. but whether robotized control of little black discs is good enough to push out the human. that - they showed to be.
asciilifeform: and by same token lysenko 'showed' the bourgeois weissmanists-morganists..
asciilifeform: fuck that.
asciilifeform: truth is a rhing
asciilifeform: thing.
mircea_popescu: truth is a thing in engineering. it has ~no bearing on the affairs of mankind. do you know why ?
asciilifeform: even if idiot thinks he killed ALL the witnesses.
mircea_popescu: well, do you ?
asciilifeform: i don't accept the premise.
asciilifeform: so cannot answer.
mircea_popescu: you can't accept the premise as a theoretical construct to examine ?
asciilifeform: it dun fit in my gullet. 'sky is made of cheese'
mircea_popescu: how's this different from "i don't accept the premise earth is not at center of world" ?
mircea_popescu: religious thinking wtf.
mircea_popescu: anyway, since we got the logs back, here's why : truth is but one.
asciilifeform: hm?
mircea_popescu: this is strategically disastrous for any living thing. imagine, cod taking "the correct route". this means -> scania. ouch. imagine person making rsa key, taking the "correct" key. ie what, everyone takes the same primes, because they're the largest primes that fit in the notation and so "best" and so "rational choice". it's exactly a matter of the "inverse of safety from numbers" thing we discussed recently.
mircea_popescu: in negotiation, in any human endeavour, "rational" is predictable and predictable is death.
asciilifeform is aware of kindergarten game theory and is not astonished
mircea_popescu: hence stuff like specificity of diddling. hence all sorts of things.
mircea_popescu: well, not astonished, but what's your model for it ?
asciilifeform: meta-rational strategy is a thing
asciilifeform: and can call rng.
mircea_popescu: meta-rational is no more rational than complex numbers are.
asciilifeform: but it is pointedly not same thing as organic monkey irrational.
mircea_popescu: of course meta-rational is a thing. but sovereign reason is a very different thing from mere "reason" as peddled by the feminine usg & friends.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nobody was talking about that.
mircea_popescu: irrational has plenty of space in it for many different things.
asciilifeform: my concept of 'truth' includes ALL of modern game theory, just as it includes arithmetic .
mircea_popescu: dues not. godel.
asciilifeform: godel is irrelevant to anything that ever actually happens.
asciilifeform: sadly, unprovably so.
mircea_popescu: ha. your notion of truth is either not complete, or not formulable. you seem to favour the later, which is why you keep ending in trouble in discussions here.
asciilifeform: (just like cantor incidentally, is irrelevant to any arithmetic calculation re physical world)
mircea_popescu: but hark that once your notion of truth is unformulable you lost what tu quoque claimed is the basis for science, id est, reproducibility.
asciilifeform straps on heavy gas mask
asciilifeform: srsly, the 'winner decides history' is rank nonsense, it is quite difficult to eliminate all evidence.
mircea_popescu: a pile of evidence doth not a history make.
mircea_popescu: link this to schwarz's evidence. what history ?
mircea_popescu: paradigm secretion is an act of the endocrine gland that is called "brain". and it works in science, with the eternal and irrepudiable evidence of nature right in front of eyes.
asciilifeform: dun matter for how long lysenkoists rule. they're still full of shit.
mircea_popescu: live things are full of shit. this is what the terms mean.
mircea_popescu: when he's dead, he'll destraighten or how that went.
asciilifeform: interestingly, dead folk are just as dangerous to lysenkoist 'science' as live ones - where is majorana's field theory ?
asciilifeform: buried in cement
mircea_popescu: well, you switched terms. the living are fulla shit.
asciilifeform: elaborate?
mircea_popescu: we were discussing how "X is full of shit", but that X took values from a field of AGENTS, which is to say the people to whom history has meaning. and it was observed that the grave is the only cure for their shit contents. then you moved to talking about Y, but Y are no longer X, instead they are taken from a field of non-agents, historical memories.
mircea_popescu: X and Y can't be interchanged freely.
asciilifeform: justify the cut made where it was ?
mircea_popescu: because the shit contents is due, as we discussed, to the imperatives of the flesh. if you're an agent and you wanna survive which means you wanna survive and are an agent, you're stuck with the shit.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, what majorana or minorana said or didn't say, inasmuch as it's true, has little to do with anything but that - its truth.
asciilifeform: ah as in mr mold etc
mircea_popescu: i guess so. plenty of "lysenkoist" dudes were as convinced of the entire shitstack as yarvin is convinced the usg will survive.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless... gotta placate the cunt he's chained to.
asciilifeform: having read nearly whole corpus of the works, i am not wholly convinced that any sizable number did.
mircea_popescu: (and i don't specifically mean his wife, here. i mean everything, the demands "not getting facebook account banned" or w/e, and paying taxes, and not running red lights or pissing on cop's shoes etc. the divine cunt.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed. quite possibly lysenko himself made it up as he went, like trad. curt buffoon.
mircea_popescu: ie, put on the spot, got in "the zone", sprouted some thing, audience clapped, the end.
asciilifeform: this is imho quite likely
asciilifeform: but yeah i see where mircea_popescu is going
mircea_popescu declines any credit or responsibility for the matter. for one thing, ancient observations, for the other, not my fault they hold.
mircea_popescu: (amusingly enough, the best source re that "ancient observations" is probably ~= patristics. the substance of the eternal soul, the nature of sin, all that good stuff. for all its trite-ification in the hands of the same sort of people that also created family-friendly shakespeare, it is a very powerful philosophical item. fact remains agency is an imposition upon the gnosis, which is why intelligent people dun wanna be polit
mircea_popescu: icians, and also why they created the jwz fantasy.)
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: whatever happened to the hard fork proposal you made?
thestringpuller: i read through the threads and discussion fizzled out
thestringpuller: is the spirit of such a proposal still on the table even if the design isn't complete?
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "happened".
mircea_popescu: nothing happened, it's there.
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 builds this week completed, 2x for each distro - still running another Arch one right now
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: (by "it" above i mean "original sin")
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: for my own purposes / as backup, wrote myself a real shitty and simplistic log viewer thingie just now: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/ - may be useful as backup etc.
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today always points to today (UTC time)
mircea_popescu: cool!
mircea_popescu: always good to have things to build on just in case.
Framedragger: i think connection to bouncer on that host (which is where the logs come from) is rather stable, so good for redundancy and whatnot
Framedragger: *from bouncer
asciilifeform: Framedragger: neato.
mod6: shinohai: good work!
deedbot: [Trilema] Brexit, Grexit, Departugal, Italeave, Czechout, Finish, Oustria, Latervia, Byegium... - http://trilema.com/2016/brexit-grexit-departugal-italeave-czechout-finish-oustria-latervia-byegium/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'the things you have to eat get scarier and scarier.' << scarcer ??
asciilifeform: or hm
mircea_popescu: no, scarier.
asciilifeform: yeah i see now.
mircea_popescu: and in other school bus news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/f714f0906016efe084a3e67f1ce39657/tumblr_npdk74m0e01u5c65zo3_500.gif & http://66.media.tumblr.com/554c052f81e26ec7ce6ffff5d609577d/tumblr_npdk74m0e01u5c65zo4_500.gif
mircea_popescu: oh, and to play a little "guess the argentine" : "To learn English you must begin by thrusting the jaw forward, almost clenching the teeth, and practically immbilizing the lips. In this way the English produce the series of unpleasant little mews of which their language consists."
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “You’re dressed nice” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/25/youre-dressed-nice/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orlov.
asciilifeform: he said ~same thing.
mircea_popescu: heh. he copied ortega y gasset ?
asciilifeform: apparently
mircea_popescu: aww.
asciilifeform: but i suspect that pretty much all orcs learning the language had same thought
asciilifeform: 'what do these poor folks have in their mouths, to make this sound'
mircea_popescu: can't say it ever bothered me.
mircea_popescu: as long as there's no clicking involved, i'm linguistislutty.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu aint a proper orc
mircea_popescu: how so ?!
asciilifeform: he speaks roman
mircea_popescu: hm
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: civvus romanus!111
asciilifeform: even if the ducks did get loaded off the trucks (tm)
mircea_popescu: heh. i also hear about five shades between each vowel to the desperation of native english speakers. "what do you mean you can distinguish between x and y!" "of course you can!" "say it" "x, y" "it's the same thing!"
asciilifeform: ready for china then?
mircea_popescu: meh.
asciilifeform: in other oldz, https://www.lysator.liu.se/~nisse/misc/6502-mul.html
mircea_popescu: $up Corsets
deedbot: Corsets voiced for 30 minutes.
Corsets: Hello?
mircea_popescu: hi there. what brings you here ?
Corsets: I'm here from Reddit
mircea_popescu: o.O
Corsets: I got a message offering compensation for a custom topless shot; I'm interested in the details
mircea_popescu: oh you mean http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ?
Corsets: That precisely
mircea_popescu: cool. so post your bitcoin addy, go write ac38270d on your tits, take a pic and post it. you know, like all those other girls.
Corsets: Two questions. 1- what's a bitcoin addy? I'm a noob, sorry. I'm assuming it's an account.
mircea_popescu: well, you never heard of bitcoin ?
Corsets: 2- is it alright if I cover the top half of my face with something? I
Corsets: I've heard of Bitcoin. I don't k ow much about it
mircea_popescu: well ok, it's like this online currency that governments can't confiscate, unlike papyal. so everyone with half a brain uses it to pay for stuff.
Corsets: Actually, pardon, I have a third question. What is this, exactly? I've never seen a webpage like this before.
mircea_popescu: you mean what, my blog ?
Corsets: Okay so I'd need to make some kind of bitcoins account then? Yeah, I guess I meant your blog. more precisely, I haven't seen anyone make that kind of offer/request and then just post the pics on their blog
Corsets: And tbh I don't understand the numbers.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, i'm weird. anyway - yes, make yourself a bitcoin wallet.
mircea_popescu: it's a good thing to have anyway, you never know when you need it.
Corsets: alright.
mircea_popescu: and which numbers don't you understand ?
Corsets: The ones we write on our tits
mircea_popescu: ah, it's just a sort of idstring.
mircea_popescu: * Corsets (ac38270d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.56.) has joined #trilema
Corsets: The wallet's downloading. I don't have a lot of space
Corsets: May I ask why we're writing ID strings on our chests?
mircea_popescu: o, if you're making a desktop one it'll take a while. chain's ~120 GB these days.
mircea_popescu: possibly better for you to make a website one.
mircea_popescu: Corsets well it's only once per person you know. otherwise i'd be bankrupt, billionaire or no billionaire.
Corsets: It's on my phone as an app. I just used coinspace.
Corsets: I had to delete another one; it's downloading now, albeit slowly.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what it is, specifically, but an app prolly fits.
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine anyone would actually try to fit the chain on anyone's phone.
Corsets: I take it I should make a website one soon then
mircea_popescu: nah, the app/website ones are the same thing.
mircea_popescu: there's also a version you can run on your own desktop or server. pro version, as it were.
mircea_popescu: basically ~= running your own bank
mircea_popescu: Corsets what do you do for a living anyway ?
Corsets: I am currently selling the odd adult video or photo set and applying for retail jobs
Corsets: Might get a campus job when school starts again
mircea_popescu: sounds like a student huh.
mircea_popescu: alright, so what do you study ?
Corsets: Psychology, linguistics, anthropology.
mircea_popescu: ha! nice.
mircea_popescu: not much money in it though, thinking about it.
mircea_popescu: maybe with the government, i guess.
Corsets: I'm less interested in the money and more interested in the work
Corsets: I might come back for other stuff later, idk.
mircea_popescu: aha. hey, my degree is also anthropology.
mircea_popescu: there's worse fates.
Corsets: True true
Corsets: Okay so
mircea_popescu: well, philosophy/anthropology technically, but anyway.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's pet to asciilifeform : 'he's treating gurlz as people, just like you, yer both fools'
mircea_popescu: $up Corsets
deedbot: Corsets voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform she's a little troll isn't she.
Corsets: Do I need to show my face? Or can I cover my eyes with something?
mircea_popescu: Corsets well yes you gotta show your face, so it can't be duped later see.
Corsets: I'm a little worried about future employers finding my face and my boobs on a blog on the Internet
mircea_popescu: what, they retaliate for toplessness where you live ?
mircea_popescu: hm.
Corsets: Kinda yeah
Corsets: There's a pretty big stigma against sex work
mircea_popescu: if this is sex work, it then follows matchsticks are meteors.
Corsets: I'd agree. But my views are probably not my future employers' views
mircea_popescu: there's always that possibility yeah.
Corsets: Where would I need to upload? Just upload to a hosting site and send it?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
Corsets: Okay. If I need to show my face, let me put on some makeup.
mircea_popescu: by all means.
mircea_popescu: $up Corsets
deedbot: Corsets voiced for 30 minutes.
Corsets: Sorry. Timed out I guess
mircea_popescu: incidentally, do you have a pgp sig ? you can just register it here and self-voice
Corsets: I don't even know what that is
mircea_popescu: pretty good privacy, it's an asymmetric crypto scheme. allows you to keep secrets from, say, the nsa. and also to maintain a solid identity - unlike, say, usg identity papers.
Corsets: That's certainly interesting. I don't know that I do anything illegal enough to hide from the NSA
mircea_popescu: well, not yet at any rate.
mircea_popescu: the definition's not exactly fixed.
Corsets: You know, you could stretch this and say it's an art project
mircea_popescu: but it IS an art project.
Corsets: oh?
Corsets: How so?
mircea_popescu: how not ?
Corsets: Good answer
mircea_popescu: lol
Corsets: Is lipstick okay? Or no lipstick
mircea_popescu: hey, it's your hot body and you can do what you want
mircea_popescu: skip school and kill people, whatever, it's cool...
mircea_popescu: $up Corsets
deedbot: Corsets voiced for 30 minutes.
Corsets: Nah, I do that on Tuesdays
Corsets: Sorry. Guess that took longer than I thought
mircea_popescu: what's your internet made out of, wet noodles ?
Corsets: Oh man, that's an insult to wet noodles
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: argentina-style noodles. worst thing ever.
Corsets: Would you mind giving me the code again? Wet noodlenet erased it
Corsets: Really? Well now I have to try them
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-25#1490418☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-25 18:56 mircea_popescu: cool. so post your bitcoin addy, go write ac38270d on your tits, take a pic and post it. you know, like all those other girls.
mircea_popescu: uh.
shinohai: >.>
Corsets: The girl who didn't show her face, did she still get paid?
Corsets: Also, the writing isn't quite symmetrical. Is that okay?
mircea_popescu: it's okay, and i dun recall, but the past is not dispositive. future girl that dun show isn't getting paid.
Corsets: Hm. Okay
Corsets: Photo shortly
mircea_popescu: shinohai hey patrol an' make sure you up suspect sounding chicks like above, who knows
mircea_popescu: redditcaust or something.
Corsets: I am confused by that last bit
shinohai: mircea_popescu: I can't up deedbot hates me :(
shinohai: $up adlai
deedbot: shinohai may not $up adlai
Corsets: I have the photo
Corsets: Do you want me to just drop it here?
mircea_popescu: Corsets yes, along with your address.
mircea_popescu: shinohai oh right damn
mircea_popescu: Corsets last bit wasn't at you, it was at him.
mircea_popescu: Corsets (bitcoin address i mean. 1blabla something a long string like that)
shinohai: A lo mejor algun dia, Herr Popescu
mircea_popescu: $up Noodlenet
deedbot: Noodlenet voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: $up Corsets
deedbot: Corsets voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: lmap
Corsets: Noodles must be made out of potato flour
Corsets: 1LLp9xAVrmFDSesLoLANh8EBmhPaSSfyoM
Corsets: Address
Corsets: http://m.imgur.com/2CedO0y
Corsets: Pic
Corsets: Is this picture okay? I feel like I look kinda weird in it, but it was the best one I could get
mircea_popescu: o hey check out the pretty blondy.
mircea_popescu: Corsets yeah, get your dime in a minute.
Corsets: Thanks
mircea_popescu: an' seriously look into getting a pgp key an' join the crowd. lotta cool stuff going on here, most of which entirely unrelated to your chosen profession.
asciilifeform: wats with the hand ?!
Corsets: I'll look into it
Corsets: Hand?
mircea_popescu: learning cuneiform ?
asciilifeform: knife fighter?
mircea_popescu: o wait, is that cutting ?
Corsets: Blood fetish ;)
mircea_popescu: o wait, corsets, fetish, you're also into bdsm therefore...
Corsets: I mean, bdsm doesn't always involve blades or blood
Corsets: Just the fun kind lol
mircea_popescu: of course not.
mircea_popescu: well, so come over ba, i'll buy you some bad noodles.
Corsets: I can probably get a pic with the scars out of shot if you'd prefer
mircea_popescu: tx d4d88240d9720fca299235f0ad112eb6955edcd25c3c03172100b1107a63ea4a << there you go.
Corsets: What's that?
mircea_popescu: that's the transaction identifier. you should be 10 bitcents richer
Corsets: Thanks~ pleasure doin' business
mircea_popescu: enjoy!
Framedragger: Corsets: nice! :)
shinohai: And mircea_popescu adds another to teh collection.
mircea_popescu: whoever dies with the most collections wins.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima go visit the favela sluts for no reason other than taking asciilifeform 's pictures, honest, i swear. ima bbl, coupla hours ; hold any online hos down and occupied till i return!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> o hey check out the pretty blondy. << yah cute
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform it's basically this crane that spins. the corners aren't cultivated, but the crane tends to the crop 100% << It's an irrigation scheme. Around here where rain is still counted upon no circles
mircea_popescu: it started as an irigation scheme.
mircea_popescu: the dark secret is that investment in your part of the world is a no-no
mircea_popescu: sort-of like kirgiztan in the su.
deedbot: [Trilema] No Se Fia - http://trilema.com/2016/no-se-fia/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ annnnd BingoBoingo chgeck out the fupa jesus.
BingoBoingo: Holy shit
BingoBoingo: Anyways modern combine follows any path you plot into its gps. Once its set you just sit in chair, watch tv, and nap
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-25#1490571 << i looked for anything at all re robo-orchard, found kuka-style rigged demo. it dun exist anywhere in practice, not in jp, nowhere.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-25 23:06 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform it's basically this crane that spins. the corners aren't cultivated, but the crane tends to the crop 100% << It's an irrigation scheme. Around here where rain is still counted upon no circles
mircea_popescu: what can i tell ye, google is ~useless ?
asciilifeform: link plox ?
mircea_popescu: to what ?
asciilifeform: to some evidence that subj device exists.
mircea_popescu: hm.
asciilifeform: somebody makes, sells?
mircea_popescu: which device specifically, the cereal round thing ?
asciilifeform: i was asking after the apple harvester. but them also.
mircea_popescu: it's this scheme to grow apple trees against a trellis
mircea_popescu: it dun look like a tree at all.
asciilifeform: i entirely believe that it is physically possible. but where is it done? and who sells the robot
mircea_popescu: i'm not that up to speed ;/
asciilifeform: if anybody else is able to turn up this ufo, plz link.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-25#1490575 << that '16th c spanish sewer' looks like storm ditch. we have them here.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-25 23:34 deedbot: [Trilema] No Se Fia - http://trilema.com/2016/no-se-fia/
asciilifeform: and the whole 'favela' looks nicer than most of baltimore.
mircea_popescu: lol!
mircea_popescu: the people are certainly very pleasant.
mircea_popescu: $google rotary cultivation for cereal production
deedbot: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/016719879390020P << Ploughing and rotary cultivation for cereal production in a long-term ... | https://extension.umaine.edu/publications/2207e/ << Bulletin #2207, Growing Organic Cereal Grains in New England ... | http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/016719879390021G << Ploughing and rotary cultivation for cereal production in a long-term ...
mircea_popescu: "rotavator"
mircea_popescu: mmm then again that may be the usual item hm
asciilifeform: it is the usual item
mircea_popescu: well, i'm not a buyer of farm implements and so i have no ready way to do this.
mircea_popescu: i guess i'll just yield teh point, though...
asciilifeform: if this ufo turns up, plz link.
mircea_popescu: aite
asciilifeform very interested.
mircea_popescu: why, you planning a farm ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the idea is/was that rather than have tractor/combine drive to land etc, you just put pillar in middle, it does everything by spinning over the ground. you lose some land on the corners, but it's compensated by the massive savings on energy.
asciilifeform: seems like gravity would work against you?
asciilifeform: (what keeps pillar of soil intact?)
mircea_popescu: nah, you still have a wheelish thing
mircea_popescu: pillar of soil ?
asciilifeform: what am i missing
mircea_popescu: it's just normal land, you build the pilar on it, acts as a turning point for this long arm
asciilifeform: like beckman's lab robot? but larger..?
mircea_popescu: something like that yeah.
mircea_popescu: and it can irrigate, treat (including at VERY narrow intervals, like hourly) etc.
mircea_popescu: basically does all the work you normally have to drive a tractor for, which is what, a dozen passes a year.
mircea_popescu: you're stuck paying 10x as much in capital goods, and end up saving 80% or so in energy costs. which in most stable farmland is a great deal.
asciilifeform: iirc robo-tractors (self-driving) are already sop in usa
mircea_popescu: yeah but they still have to drive THERE.
asciilifeform: tru
mircea_popescu: and tractors are shit for fuel economy
asciilifeform: also tru