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mircea_popescu: incidentally, gotta thank pete_d for his guardian link.
mircea_popescu: misbehaving girl punished to read that thing in lieu of whipping now begging to be whipped instead.
mircea_popescu: "a manual of female ownership". wasn't this guy living alone as a hobo in the ghetto ?!
mircea_popescu: but how ? srsly now, nobody can be that fucking obscure.
BingoBoingo: Mebbe his readership keeps culling itself?
BingoBoingo: Or meebe he only appeals to elitist venues like hear
mircea_popescu: what exactly is the logic of keeping a blog to feed dead tree book publishing business when a) the publishing business is really trying to sell pdfs for 5 paypalbux and b) the blog is read by fewer people than ever heard of mike hearn ?!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you're seriously driving 1/4-1/3 of all his traffic i guess
BingoBoingo: Well next piece on qntra is about to mebbe drive him a bit more traffic?
mircea_popescu: "Site info: Custom frontend/backend content management system featuring RSS integration, E-Commerce Store with partner PayPal, digital-content delivery scheduler, newsletter module, anonymous comment & moderator-reply module, industry-specific literary publication controls, private libraries, all built from scratch."
mircea_popescu: sounds like he was victimized by "experts" to pay for these features, too.
BingoBoingo: ascii what can really be done with all that that isn't being done in the lamestream?
BingoBoingo: But How to tell who is who? And seriously wy all the wealth shaming?
BingoBoingo: This sounds more like an assignment for shinohai
mircea_popescu: other than lamestream which seems a superb construction (didjha invent it bb ?), i have nfi what you ppl are saying!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think Rush Limbaugh invented the word lamestream
mircea_popescu: i half-considered doing a list of people anglosphere doesn't want listed, but meh.
mircea_popescu: yeah, which means the inept arsewipes will ignore it like everything else.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That list could be interesting if they drop the Putin-Messi sex tape
mircea_popescu: messi is particularly amusing because every other fucktard, by which word we mean mouthbreathers born out of argentine mothers, is all infatuated with the guy, while he barely condescends to put up with the idiot reporters for long enough to keep the endorsements going.
mircea_popescu: otherwise wouldn't piss on argentina to put it out if it were on fire
mircea_popescu: which is understandable, nobody with clean underwear would.
mircea_popescu: but other than this bit of lolz, i dunno who the fuck would care what messi does.
BingoBoingo: AHA US football has one of those, but his name is Marshawn Lynch and he's very dark
mircea_popescu: shitty google srsly. what, i'm going to click wikipedia links now ? isn't even in my dns list.
mircea_popescu: so wait. is this sauron bullshit older than lord of the rings hollywood crapolade ?
mircea_popescu: whole tolkien/rawling/etc 2000s bullshit runs together in my mind with star wards and iron pants or w/e the 2010s "superhero" films are.
punkman: the hobbit movies were such crap
punkman: tiny book compared to LotR
punkman: are they doing more tolkien movies?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform had i never read the original prior, yes, it would have been marked for shit.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather read early medieval poetry - and i've not done that in a decade or more. no shortage of stuff to read.
mircea_popescu: but yes, pretty much everyone with serious cultural immersion in anglosphere said the same re tolkien. what can i say, i'll take yer word for it.
punkman: hmm they still have the Silmarillion book left, guess that'll do for another trilogy
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "i can't picture how cat could piss on this item".
mircea_popescu: let the permanent record permanently reflect that the horrible company i keep drives me to sin darker than damnation itself.
gribble: Error: "b" is not a valid command.
punkman: they are all bad so far, but in a good way
mircea_popescu: "On my father's death it fell to me to try to bring the work into publishable form." dude.... why.
mircea_popescu: the music creation myth is parsimoniously expressed and correctly designed.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, and unrelatedly - what's the derp that put out a purple prose challenge, got totally owned on trilema but then pretended it never happened have to say about teh alphago ?
mircea_popescu: ironically it's exactly the sort of machine he understands and proposes, neh ? markov chain on steroids, ==== "rationality" in the sense of bayesian derpage.
mircea_popescu: (in fairness to be distinguished from bayes' own work, about in the sense re tolkien above)
pete_dushenski: i can't help but lol at zaz when compared and contrasted with the lexus lfa mega-manufacturing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A2s61rT_30 (those uninterested in cars, but fascinated by either carbon fibre, circular textile looms(!), or simply obsessive engineering and exactitude will likely find this latter one of interest)
pete_dushenski: speaking of lee sedol (and other bitbets), sorta surprising davout didn't seem interested in moderating more of the "sure thing" bets.
pete_dushenski: or speak to where exactly 'line in sand' is for resolutions, though i suppose this can be inferred from sums in given accounting columns
punkman: could winner of auction resolve bets?
punkman: suppose new owner pays davout to hold the coins he already has until those bets are resolved.
punkman: assuming you/kako/davout would agree to such a scheme
punkman: continuity would be definitely worth something to new owner is what I'm saying
mircea_popescu:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sad_Puppies << in other lolz of all time, apparently the sort of expired carcasses / h ellison impersonators that go around writing bad genre prose heard about the 4chan time thing a decade later and pulled a moot of their own at hugo
mircea_popescu: with apologies for sullying the logs with the ditties of imbeciles, under promise i shan't do it again this year, let us quote.
mircea_popescu: "Sometimes experimental psychologists uncover human reasoning that seems very strange - for example, someone rates the probability "Bill plays jazz" as less than the probability "Bill is an accountant who plays jazz". This seems like an odd judgment, since any particular jazz-playing accountant is obviously a jazz player. But to what higher vantage point do we appeal in saying that the judgment is wrong?
mircea_popescu: Experimental psychologists use two gold standards: probability theory, and decision theory. Since it is a universal law of probability theory that P(A) ≥ P(A & B), the judgment P("Bill plays jazz") < P("Bill plays jazz" & "Bill is accountant") is labeled incorrect."
mircea_popescu: except... OBVIOUSLY the proposition "internet weenie has a girlfried" is to be judged as less likely than the proposition "internet weenie has a girlfriend and her name is Samantha".
mircea_popescu: for the obvious fucking reason! more concrete details, more verifiable claim, more risky claim to make for the sort of dateless derp that's the internet weenie, thus less likely to be made lightly, thus more likely to be true!
mircea_popescu: but at least the issue of what's yurtowski's actual name has been resolved.
mircea_popescu: seems very dubious any of those derps actually have any money, other than what they hope to get from the thiel warchest/spoils.
pete_dushenski: just left davout a comment on his blog re: 'line in sand'. we shall see.
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated kakobrekla 5 at 3571240878 << too much stuff to list. inquire within..
mircea_popescu: $rate kakobrekla -5 Cap'n of industree, borrowed my blender, then decided to try and make gravel and... it just didn't work out!
mircea_popescu: $v 2186181242C57B20D65D0B77F050C169103D6FBE05F0D9DB1307E9F05E26FA1F
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of kakobrekla from 5 to -5 << Cap'n of industree, borrowed my blender, then decided to try and make gravel and... it just didn't work out!
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c i dun recall what you answered. are you planning to move btcalpha over to deedbot data or ?
jurov: fetching from mpex via rss works fine, too
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deedbot: ____ voiced for 30 minutes.
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____: lol i messed up my nick
jurov: mircea_popescu: pls to mpex
PeterL: mircea_popescu meant to take down bbet and removed mpoe instead?
mircea_popescu: but - that someone noticed & reported within 20 seconds is rather flattering o.O
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: as much congratulations as are due and as many condolences.
PeterL: but it's mostly just mp shifting coin from one pocket to another, what changed, really?
mircea_popescu: to force a comparison slighty : mergers and acquisitions in new york don't necessarily result in gold reserve trucks moving back and forth between ny and virginia or w/e.
ben_vulpes: PeterL: did you /read/ the thing? it is not longer even remotely possible to own a stake in the thing anymore.
ben_vulpes: > and in general remain committed to the success of Bitcoin << aw, that's sweet of you
PeterL: just finishing reading right now
mircea_popescu: because why, there's connection between words and things now ?
mircea_popescu: in one view. in the other view, it was pure opportunity
mircea_popescu: which the imbeciles passed on, because hey. they fucking know better
mircea_popescu: i was there for it - you weren't there for it. i tell you it was a lot more of this than of that. but yes both existed.
mircea_popescu: they could have been someone and done something. instead - they chose to be themselves.
mircea_popescu: (yes, yes, "exceptions exist". sure, not all idiots are equally idiotic. nevertheless - none kept up with the coin.)
mircea_popescu: absentee owner of dead irc channel, the kakobrekla before kakobrekla. what's so well about this ?
mircea_popescu: back in 2014, after the wot split, tried to get him to fix gribble so it's no longer retarded. guess what ? still retarded, stateful auth, you name it.
mircea_popescu: he's a bright fellow, an an economics professor. and the opportunity has passed him by.
mircea_popescu: yes, all the indians, and the prospectors, and the homesteaders and the whatnot can be all the butthurt they want at how they got "kicked out of their thing"
mircea_popescu: the problem is that nobody kicked them out. the thing grew, they stayed the same.
adlai: butthurt? i'm froffflmfaong!
adlai: mircea_popescu: member of the peanut gallery, warmer of bleachers, leader of cheering squad, etc.
mircea_popescu: adlai ok ok, but the discussion is re old timers that got left behind. you're what, 2015 ?
adlai: "time's complicated"
adlai: all i know is that the 'accounts' abomination thinks i move more coin than s.mpoe at peak frenzy
mircea_popescu: $v 8921F9C4D1F47587D6F6E611BD111EB73CE5DD0813C5E3916A5B2C3C0988D892
deedbot: mircea_popescu unrated assbot.
mircea_popescu: and i suspect a lot of the popular hatred of inflation has absolutely nothing to do with inflation's ills, but quite the opposite ; and instead is a nude and rude displeasure at this "oh, now that i'm on the pig i can't just sit here and pick my nose ?!?!" thing
mircea_popescu: people want to have achieved rather than achieve, apparently. it seems to me a modern affliction, this, but who even knows.
mircea_popescu: the bigger part of it however - is the failure to thrive thing.
mircea_popescu: from its humble beginnings as "i dunno if i'm ready for you to move in yet" to its full blown "i'm in bitcoin hurr durr", it's the same thing.
mircea_popescu: senescence'd be fine, if the neotenous corpses HAD GROWN AT SOME FUCKING POINT.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, imagine the october revolution if EVERYONE involved had stayed small time govt clerk/whatever the fuck they were. a ?
mircea_popescu: bickering endlessly in that tedious, god forsaken unreadable style of dostoyevski's, about who should have done what or w.e the fuck , i can never finish a page of his dialogue.
shinohai: Yesterday: "I will *not* resign" Today: "I quit"
phf: (if people trying to access patches etc. things are at present down)
phf: hehehe, sorry pete you're no longer first #t-a post, i discovered that i had timezone issue, that's now been corrected
danielpbarron: i love the new log! v.nice with the back and forward reference thing
phf: since i fucked up the timezone again, had to refresh the log, so now inaugural first #t-a post belongs to diana_coman
trinque: yep the reference links are very nice. thanks phf!
jurov: Fits the mythology, i guess.
jurov: ^ calling our resident conspiration theorist asciilifeform: why mircea_popescu feels necessary to draw parallels with bitbet?
gribble: Error: "b" is not a valid command.
ben_vulpes: consumers have come to whatever it was
jurov: jus' asking if anyone understood it. or it was only exclusively aimed to meta-trilema
jurov: he basically said that the notion that some pretend-sovereign may have caused closure of bitbet is utterly ridiculous
jurov: dunno what that makes of the chinese miners theory
diana_coman: jurov, do you mean this: The notion that some fiat pretend-sovereign or other has anything to do with this measure is significantly less sensible than the notion that 17 Bitcoin and change is what caused the closure of Bitbet, as ridiculous as that notion may be.?
diana_coman: the way I read it, it says: a. the fiat pretend-sovereign has nothing to do with mpex going private b. bitbet did NOT die because of 17 btc
diana_coman: I don't see the link fiat pretend-sovereign - bbet
jurov: i did not know what to make of it and how it goes together
danielpbarron: what implication? he explicitly stated that other people haven't stepped up to make bitcoin better
jurov: okay, i can see some tortured logic how diana_coman reds it
BingoBoingo: <jurov> he basically said that the notion that some pretend-sovereign may have caused closure of bitbet is utterly ridiculous << Well gotta consider what happened soon after S.Dice delisted
jurov: what happened after s.dice, i mean
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
BingoBoingo: jurov: Erik settled with SEC over his twitter GLBSE thing
deedbot: abd voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: phf any chance we get text/author separator vertical aligned ?
mircea_popescu: ditching the timestamps explicitly i can see, roll-over seems better
adlai now being contract-free, nestles down to read that other 'closing statement'
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> i love the new log! v.nice with the back and forward reference thing << am i missing something ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> mp's productions are so opaque <<< weren't you running a simulation ?
☟︎ danielpbarron: if you link the log, that line gets a reference link to where you mentioned it
mircea_popescu: jurov> okay, i can see some tortured logic how diana_coman reds it << what exactly is tortured ? "a is less than b, and b is less than epsilon".
jurov: you actually worded it as "a is significantly less than b, and b is less than epsilon"
jurov: dunno if anything can be significantly less than epsilon
jurov: unless there are negative numbers in play or somesuch
mircea_popescu: is your definition of epsilon "such a value that nothing can be picked significantly smaller than it" ?
jurov: depends on definition of "significant"
jurov: whether on infinitesimally small value can be "significantly" compared to another
mircea_popescu: anyway. epsilon just means "very small", in which case the sentence works. i think i actually like your definition better, in which case the word is used frivolously, for stylistic effect.
☟︎ mike_c: To do deedbot based wot, I'd need dumps
mike_c: not really. I currently suck in daily dumps. I'd be open to some more realtime arrangement, which would require further thought
mircea_popescu: i tell you one usercase (new eulora players) really makes me want moar realtime.
mike_c: a feed would certainly work
mircea_popescu: is there anything substantially wrong with just polling a rss feed whenever your server feels like it ?
mike_c: nothing wrong with that. available db dumps would still be good for rebuilding from scratch if necessary
trinque: mike_c: couple of days and I'll get ya both dumps and something to poll for realtime data
mircea_popescu: OMFG! so these useless imbeciles have added every last thing to utf EXCEPT A TITS GLYPH ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so i gotta do (•)(•) yet fucking obscure language can't spell out its shit ? burn it down i say.
shinohai: Why not let the fuckers stay and take bets on how long the fat will burn?
BingoBoingo: No, the point is it is safest for them to stay because of their immobilities and condishuns
gribble: davout was last seen in #trilema 1 day, 9 hours, 15 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <davout> ouch
mike_c: after much combing of logs and blogs, I can't figure out whether mp decided that davout was actually due another 200 btc and disbursement is pending, or if lists were still being checked and there was not yet agreement
mike_c: i see mp saying "i've got the coin but am verifying lists", but not where that ended up.
mike_c: is it still up in the air?
mod6: wow. just saw the news.
mike_c: oh, that little thing about mpex going private?
mike_c: yeah. well, how long could mpoe have survived without mpoe-pr?
mike_c: I assume mpif can't be far behind, given the lack of anything worth investing in.. talk about a dead zone for btc income investing.
mircea_popescu: mike_c lists still being combed, but in principle agreement yes.
mod6: maybe a good time to take the chance to say; Thanks for all the hard work over the years. I gather that it's far from easy. Salud!
mike_c: Quite the clean shutdown of a huge listing too
mircea_popescu: ideally, while the work is never easy, it's easiest for the one doing it. at least, if capital allocation works worth a shit.
mike_c: yes, but davout isn't around
mike_c: new irc client is giving me fits
shinohai: what client did you end up with mike_c
mike_c: i am trying irssi for first time
shinohai: I used irssi long ago before my switch to weechat.
mike_c: no, I really am. just got to get used to it
mike_c: before I start spilling my private keys in public windows hopefully :)
shinohai likes the ability to switch between cli or webclient at any time.
mod6: took me a while to get my conf setup the way i liked it, but its been pretty much the same now for 10 years probably.
mod6: best thing about irssi, it'll ask you if "you're sure" if you try to paste like more than 5 lines or something.
mod6: well, maybe not best thing, but ~a~ nice feature.
mike_c: heh, yeah, I can see that being handy
mircea_popescu: mike_c> yeah. well, how long could mpoe have survived without mpoe-pr? << in fairness... mpex listed itself by reverse-merger with the then-listed mpoe ; which continued operation as a distinct profit center but that has meanwhile discontinued. it's such a historical layering of evolutions etc that some restructuring years later seems inevitable.
mike_c: and not a bad thing either for it to be restructured. things change, quickly around here. I was just pointing out that s.mpoe was a steady ride up until the death of mpoe-pr, and then bumpiness ensued.
mike_c: perhaps coincidence ;)
mircea_popescu recalls the time when mpoe divs were easily in the k's of btcs and mpex barely counted in the mix.
mod6 remembers translating all of the original MPOE text from .ro
mod6: Yeah, was the autumn of '11.
mod6: Something like that.
mod6: No education that you could buy could compare to the last four years.
mircea_popescu: funny thing, people derping in 2012 "oh no way mpex is worth what, almost 1 mn ?!?!?!?!"
BingoBoingo hasn't done the math to see what qntra is worth lately
deedbot: $vwap s.qntr is not a command.
mircea_popescu: "S.QNTR": {"1d": {"avg": "","min": "","max": "","vsh": "","vsa": "","cnt": ""}, "7d": {"avg": "13600","min": "13600","max": "13600","vsh": "1200","vsa": "16320000","cnt": "1"}, "30d": {"avg": "16574.1269813","min": "13514","max": "19947","vsh": "5552","vsa": "92019553","cnt": "5"}}
mod6: that's about 2x the foundation for sure.
mircea_popescu: well the foundation is mebbe worth a little mroe than its chest.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, by same theory woman is worth more than her earrings!
ben_vulpes: i thought cunt was woman's only saleable asset
mircea_popescu: hanbot seems to have made a bundle out of selling bile and lemonade squirts to the eye!
ben_vulpes: hanbot is not "woman" in the same way that mod6 is not "redditor"
gribble: Error: "!!" is not a valid command.
ben_vulpes: i am actually noodling on an insanely cynical webapp
BingoBoingo: "This site requires JavaScript and Cookies to be enabled. Please change your browser settings or upgrade your browser." << Nice app
ben_vulpes: trinque: no, more of a "is this movie going to hurt muh feelz?"
ben_vulpes: mostly 'cause i want a movie index categorized by rape, violence, blood, misogyny...
ben_vulpes has spent an inordinate amount of time coercing a proprietary db to shit more instances of itself out, is rather fed up with proprietary things
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes is your classifier based on what, the scripts ?
mircea_popescu: you just doing the software for some idiots with too mcuh money because hey, ustardism/ngo ; and it won't work without data which they won't be able to get ?
mircea_popescu: and to think that if these people were just sold into slavery instead, everyone'd be better off, their misfortunate parents first and foremost.
☟︎ mod6: holy shit there's a log
mod6: it's almost like the second congress is in session
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what, you think i'm so foolish as to try semantic analysis on...all of the scripts?
ben_vulpes: imagine what the third congress will have
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's much easier than you think, because the rigours of producing explained obliquely somewhere on trilema actually force a very strict and mechanical language.
mircea_popescu: read a shooting script once, notice all the capitalised terms ?
mircea_popescu: shittily i presume :D searched for my stuff got a paltry 100 lines!!11
ben_vulpes: what it's not streaming to the browser for rendering with js over websocket?!?!?!?!?!
mod6: did we find a bundle of the old logs?
mircea_popescu: so wtf, derpy spam includes flyer from eatery. it offers... SANDWICHS. and BEBIDAS. which are... coke and shit.
mircea_popescu: what in the ever loving fuck, i'm going to call someone to MAKE ME A FUCKING SANDWICH ?!
mod6: i love a good sandwich
mircea_popescu: "please drive over with a sandwich, i'm retarded and have no women."
mod6: best with my garden tomatoes too. yaaar!
phf: Had to connect from phone to address this one, searching "from:something" greps for that exact string, rather than semantic messages "from" "something". So only finds 100 or so messages with "from:mircea" in them
mod6: this year im goin hard on the cucumbers, so i can pickle the fuckers and make even better sandwiches.
mircea_popescu: phf ah ah. dun fret, we'll survive till you get out of social engagements and get back to computer.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah proper pickles are a must. but the salt kind